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00:16 * Schism offers Cepheid some spaghetti with homemade pasta sauce and tons of cheese.
00:17 <Schism> Lucoa really is ridiculous...
00:18 * Cepheid noms.
00:18 <Cepheid> Lucoa? Ah, her.
00:18 <Cepheid> Yeah, they're kind of pushing it with her.
00:19 <Schism> Yeah, just a little bit.
00:19 <Cepheid> Next to Kanna, Fafnir's my favourite.
00:19 <Schism> Yeah, Fafnir is awesome. X3
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00:20 <Cepheid> "Kill them all. Destroy."
00:20 <Schism> I swear that was a recorded message.
00:20 <Cepheid> Probably, yeah.
00:20 <Cepheid> Given the monotone nature of the message and how he's just going on and on.
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00:20 <Cepheid> Plus it's an odd way to answer any sort of messaging or communications system.
00:21 <Schism> Good way to scare off telemarketers, though.
00:21 <Cepheid> Indeed.
00:22 <Librarian> schism
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00:23 <Librarian> cepheid
00:23 <Schism> Mwa?
00:23 <Librarian> im probably going to canada owo
00:23 <Librarian> please reccomend places to visit
00:23 <Cepheid> For?
00:23 <Librarian> vacation
00:23 <Cepheid> I'm no good with that. The only places I've been to and remember are Cornwall, Ottawa, and Toronto, all in Ontario.
00:23 <Cepheid> Of the three, the only one I'd recommend visiting is Toronto.
00:24 <Cepheid> As it's pretty multicultural, among having stuff like the CN Tower, one of the Ripley's aquariums, etc.
00:24 <Schism> Niagara is nice, but as a vacation spot, it's kind of 'right there'.
00:24 <Schism> Hmm, you could visit Halifax. o3o
00:24 <Librarian> whtas in halifax?
00:25 <Cepheid> My parents tend to visit a lot of small towns on the east coast. Something about them looking nice and generally having a good view of the ocean, if you go to the right ones.
00:25 <Cepheid> They do it annually, during the Fall months.
00:25 <Schism> Oh, Peggy's Cove, lotsa maritime stuff... what month are you going to be in Canada?
00:26 <Librarian> no idea, my dad just said lets go to canda due to winning a work bonus
00:26 <Schism> Oh, I see. Hum, could possibly have been joking. But hopefully you'll be able to visit. Lessee, alternately, there's the tropical island of Newfoundland.
00:27 <Librarian> i been close to canada, on the american side of niagara
00:27 <Librarian> could not go to the canadian side, did not have a visa
00:28 <Schism> If you were to head around my part of Ontario, then St. Jacobs is a great place.
00:28 <Librarian> is there anything like frys electronics on canada?
00:28 <Librarian> some local equivalent?
00:28 <Schism> Not really.
00:28 <Cepheid> So I got my mark back for my midterm in Introduction to Computer Science. I didn't bother studying for this exam. At all.
00:28 <Cepheid> Guess the mark.
00:29 <Librarian> whera can one get good tech in canada?
00:30 <Librarian> if in going, might as well get something fancy o3o
00:30 <Cepheid> I'm not sure about the conversion rate between the Mexican Dollar(Or whatever currency it is you use) and the Canadian Dollar, but I can't imagine it's any better than the Canadian to American dollar.
00:30 <Schism> Really, it depends on the locale? I dunno. Thing about Canada is that it's quite a bit larger than the US, so where you go makes all the difference.
00:31 <Schism> 1 peso = .69 CAD.
00:31 <Schism> Er, .069.
00:31 <Librarian> let me do the math
00:31 <Schism> So 14.59 pesos to the Canadian dollar.
00:31 <Cepheid> What about to USD?
00:31 <Librarian> way better than dollar
00:31 <Librarian> 19 pesos to us dollar
00:32 <Schism> Yes, well, the Canadian dollar is at... 74 cents to the US dollar right now. *cringe*
00:32 <Cepheid> Yeah, which effectively means it's probably about the same if not more to buy stuff in Canada.
00:32 <Librarian> seem like a great place to visit, al leat on economics owo
00:33 <Cepheid> Especially since the prices in Canada are mysteriously jacked up a lot.
00:33 <Librarian> good to know
00:33 <Cepheid> There was a report a few months back on the news about it. Some products are marked up by like, 500%. While others get the expected markup based on currency exchange.
00:33 <Cepheid> Or, you know, just aren't sold in Canada period.
00:33 <Librarian> is gambling legal on canada?
00:33 <Cepheid> Yes
00:33 * Schism waits patiently - kinda - for spaghetti. "And there's less subsidization on dairy here, of course. Yes, gambling is legal, though where you do so varies."
00:34 <Librarian> everywhere?
00:34 <SaultSteMarie> windsor is the las vegas of detroit !!!!!
00:34 <Cepheid> As for my CS midterm mark. I didn't study for it. Didn't practice for it. Walked in, did the exam in 30 minutes, walked out. Final mark? 97.1%. I lost 0.52 of a mark somewhere.
00:34 <Cepheid> Probably a missing semicolon.
00:34 <Librarian> yay
00:34 <SaultSteMarie> grading for accuracy of handwritten code is dum
00:34 <Librarian> i pro
00:35 <Librarian> prgrammed stuff
00:35 <Librarian> back in the day
00:35 <Schism> Cepheid: Very nice, anyway.
00:35 <Cepheid> SaultSteMarie: But it's expected.
00:35 <Cepheid> Truth told, I was expecting lower, not because I suck at it, but because I legitimately could not understand what the professor was asking at some points.
00:35 <Librarian> how is the view of mexicans in canada?
00:35 <SaultSteMarie> Still dumb. You leave a semicolon off in some C# code, intellisense is just going to highlight the line until you fix it
00:35 <Cepheid> His spoken English is fine. His written English is absolutely atrocious.
00:36 <Cepheid> It was equivalent to 3-year old's spoken English
00:36 <SaultSteMarie> I have a really low opinion of the CS classes I took in college
00:36 <Cepheid> SaultSteMarie: Unfortunately, not the point. Especially since professors encourage not using IDEs in favour of vi, vim or emacs.
00:37 * Librarian is awed by the smart talk
00:37 <SaultSteMarie> Also dumb because when you like
00:37 <SaultSteMarie> you know
00:37 <SaultSteMarie> have a job
00:37 <SaultSteMarie> you're going to be expected to you know your way around a modern IDE
00:37 <Schism> Real programmers use cat.
00:37 <Cepheid> I'm well aware of this problem.
00:37 <Cepheid> It's a simple one. Professors imprint their habits, be they bad or good, onto their students.
00:38 <Cepheid> I've seen it first-hand so many times.
00:38 <SaultSteMarie> It's kind of infuriating
00:38 <Librarian> what does a programmer do in a videogame?
00:38 <Cepheid> And then there are the students who just don't care and write everything on a single line, or without indentation.
00:38 <SaultSteMarie> Librarian: die.
00:38 <Librarian> nuuu
00:38 <SaultSteMarie> I mean that's what game pgorammers do
00:38 <SaultSteMarie> that wasn't a thread ;P
00:38 <Schism> https://xkcd.com/378/
00:38 <Cepheid> Librarian: They write the underlying logic of the game, alongside the core engine that the game runs on. More the former than latter.
00:39 <Cepheid> These days, so many engines exist for various purposes you can forego writing the core engine, or at least modify an existing engine to suit your purposes.
00:39 <SaultSteMarie> Also I'm speaking as someone that graduated like magna cum laude so I wasn't screwing around in uni but like, I can't think of a single class I found even remotely useful, let alone bearing any real connection to... the reality of the IT industry or what I do now
00:40 <Librarian> what do you do?
00:40 <Cepheid> So usually what's left after that is the logic and stuff required to make the game, possibly including scripting functionality for storyline stuff, events, etc, etc, etc.
00:40 <SaultSteMarie> Ohio State did this thing -- and I think they've stopped -- where they taught students using some altered version of C++ called Resolve C++
00:40 <SaultSteMarie> Which is useless and doesn't have any like... honestly I have no idea how it works. It's not a used language. This is not going to encourage students to go out and code on their own.
00:41 <SaultSteMarie> Librarian: Basically die emotionally while getting rich ;)
00:42 <Librarian> seems great
00:43 <Librarian> you can always buy emotions
00:43 <Librarian> or a therapist
00:43 <Cepheid> I'll agree with SaultSteMarie's last statement.
00:43 <Cepheid> Since starting college, and since starting university..
00:43 <Cepheid> I've become more and more... Not jaded. Just, I don't respond to the situation around me like most people would.
00:44 <Cepheid> I unconsciously and consciously try to suppress emotions and choose to ignore people around me. I look neither happy nor sad. I just do what I'm expected to do.
00:44 * Finwe has no options but to hat on Librarian.
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00:45 <SaultSteMarie> I feel kind of disociated and paranoid a lot, lately
00:45 <SaultSteMarie> disassociateD? hwatever
00:45 <Librarian> owo
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00:45 <Cepheid> Much of the problem in our field stems from clients.
00:46 <SaultSteMarie> Clients on my project our fine, I just have weird emotions I guess
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00:46 <SaultSteMarie> also I mean I don't really like what I do.
00:46 <Cepheid> You have to translate plain-English, business-English, or banal-English(OR any equivalent of these three in other languages) into constructs for the purpose of developing the application.
00:47 <Cepheid> I don't mind what I do, but at times...
00:47 <SaultSteMarie> I'm a BA/tester so I'm entirely doing documentation stuff
00:47 <Cepheid> And the worst is that oftentimes, once all the requirements are set up, you've defined the project, and revealed it to the client and your boss..
00:47 <SaultSteMarie> actually officially I'm a tester but I don't do testing anymore.
00:47 <Cepheid> They'll be all happy, agree to it, etc, etc.
00:47 <SaultSteMarie> Also I'm under a testing manager right now because of this (even though I don't do testing anymore)
00:48 <Cepheid> Then a few days later (Or before the deadline of the project): "Hey, the client now wants such-and-such feature. Think you can add it?"
00:48 <SaultSteMarie> It doesn't matter because I have no idea who my manager is or where they work anyway.
00:48 <Cepheid> And if you say no, you get ridiculed. If you say yes, you now have another requirement which probably won't be met by the deadline, and thus you'll fail to implement it and be ridiculed.
00:48 <SaultSteMarie> We charge the client for doing that and it's well established in the contract that we will.
00:48 <Cepheid> Part of *THAT* problem though isn't management. It's marketing.
00:48 <SaultSteMarie> PREVIOUS project it was not well established that we would do that.
00:48 <SaultSteMarie> Everything went to hell
00:48 <Cepheid> Heh.
00:49 <SaultSteMarie> Yeah the sales for guys are also the ones that get all the credit
00:49 <SaultSteMarie> it's... I don't actually care.
00:49 <Cepheid> Essentially, there's little communication between Marketing and the Software Analysts and Developers.
00:49 <Cepheid> And the end-result is that Marketing makes promises without actually knowing if the project will do what they say.
00:49 <Cepheid> Which ends up raising hell.
00:50 <Cepheid> And then you got the United States of America and their imperial measurements.
00:50 <SaultSteMarie> also clients that don't know how software or computers work and are just like OH MY GOD A BUG!?!?!?!?!?!?
00:50 * Cepheid still recalls the story of the $125 million orbiter that crashed because of a conversion error.
00:53 <Cepheid> Essentially, an orbiter crashed into Mars because one company provided it's software which provided measurements and such in imperial units. The NASA-specific part of the software required SI(Metric) units..
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00:53 <Librarian> owo, ma dad is angry
00:53 <Cepheid> Long story short, the conflict between the two pieces of software sent the orbiter into the atmosphere and crashing whatever remained into the ground.
00:53 <SaultSteMarie> diiiid they not test this at all
00:54 <Twilight`Sparkle> Seems like they missed that aspect of it!
00:54 <SaultSteMarie> oh man last project like
00:54 * Twilight`Sparkle thinks in feet and inches but has no issue with using metric.
00:54 <SaultSteMarie> The client did their own testing but they weren't really testers so their bug reports were just like HEY THING BROKE
00:55 <SaultSteMarie> Without much detail
00:55 <Cepheid> Apparently they did not test it appropriately.
00:55 <Cepheid> And it cost them $125,000,000. And one person lost his job. Probably more, but at least one was guaranteed to lose their job.
00:55 <SaultSteMarie> So internal testers (ie, testing team I was on) were supposed to figure out how to reproduce these things.
00:55 <SaultSteMarie> But we weren't allowed to talk to the client
00:55 <Twilight`Sparkle> That's silly.
00:55 <SaultSteMarie> Like we couldn't just shoot them an email asking them for clarification
00:56 <SaultSteMarie> Welp I'm getting vaguely upset now. Gosh I wish I was awake enough to play videogames. STellaris looks neat!
00:56 <Twilight`Sparkle> I'm pretty sure that my second level prefers my tickets to some of my colleagues.
00:56 <Schism> Detailed notes, those are the big thing.
00:56 <Twilight`Sparkle> Because before I send a thing through, I'm going to find out what they were doing when it broke.
00:57 <Cepheid> It's common practice in our field, Twilight`Sparkle. We're oftentimes not allowed to speak to the client.
00:57 <Cepheid> Outside of requirements gathering that is.
00:57 <Schism> Twilight`Sparkle, but... but they were just doing normal stuff! NORMAL THINGS! Like normal!
00:57 <Cepheid> Beyond that, it's usually "You're SOL because it's covered by an NDA."
00:57 <Twilight`Sparkle> Schism: Yep.
00:58 <Twilight`Sparkle> And then I have them go step by step through their normal process.
00:58 <SaultSteMarie> i think we still want the testing team talking to the client through the BAs now because... BAs just need to be looped on stuff
00:58 <SaultSteMarie> Also the client in this case are not really normal end users since they're actual computer people
00:58 <SaultSteMarie> well
00:58 <SaultSteMarie> No I mean the testing team isn't testing defects from the client anyway
00:59 <Librarian> each field has its horror stories, i could tell you a bunch of mine
00:59 <SaultSteMarie> okay so like
00:59 <Twilight`Sparkle> Anyway I'm probably moving to a new project soon
00:59 <SaultSteMarie> farmer. field. haunted corn. wooooo horror
00:59 <SaultSteMarie> (this was more elaborate in my head)
00:59 <Librarian> mooo
00:59 <Twilight`Sparkle> Nah, more like blight.
00:59 <Cepheid> In any case, I complain about my field sure, but it's not that bad. At least for me it isn't.
00:59 <Twilight`Sparkle> Lost a whole field.
00:59 <Librarian> haunted insurance would be more interesting
01:00 <SaultSteMarie> My last project ended in like a 40 million dollar lawsuit
01:00 <Librarian> who you gonna call? insurance busters
01:00 <SaultSteMarie> but like previous client was the government of michigan and after Flint they can kind of go <redacted>
01:00 * Librarian crosses the streams
01:00 <Twilight`Sparkle> Yeah, that's a mess that no one seems to care to fix.
01:01 <Cepheid> Which amazes me to no end.
01:01 <Librarian> i sometimes wish i was in a different field, but this business makes the big bucks
01:01 <SaultSteMarie> They're too busy raising usless bug reports, obvs
01:01 <Cepheid> The fact that it is still an ongoing problem is absolutely amazing.
01:01 * Golden just broke open the meteor that landed on his farm in Stardew Valley.
01:01 <Twilight`Sparkle> Golden: what'd you get?
01:01 <Schism> Golden: Whee, 6 iridium ore.
01:01 <Twilight`Sparkle> I've never gotten a meteor myself...
01:01 <Cepheid> What kind of processes and thinking are going into delaying fixing the one basic need that everyone is supposed to have access to?(Clean Water
01:01 * Librarian forges a star metal sword with those
01:01 <Schism> Lucky you. Meteors like to land on my fruit trees.
01:02 <Golden> 6 iridium ore, stone, and 2 geodes
01:02 <Twilight`Sparkle> Eh, fruit trees can be replanted.
01:02 <Librarian> i shall call it...panchito
01:02 <SaultSteMarie> cepheid I could answer that but it'd just involve an endless string of drunken swearing.
01:02 <Schism> Yeah, just takes forever... eh. I'll be happy once I get a set of 18 in my Greenhouse.
01:02 <Cepheid> And that would still explain more than any explanation the government of Michigan could give me at this point.
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01:03 <Librarian> its about time i go back to hyrule owo
01:03 <Schism> Cepheid: But it'll cost /money/, and water's not that important anyway.
01:03 <Librarian> yeah, we are nly mostly water based 030
01:03 <Schism> I mean, heck, just look how much water the congressmen have in their pools! That's great stuff.
01:03 <Golden> So I now have about 3 iridium bars with the ability to smelt a fourth
01:03 <Schism> Totally cheap, easy to get.
01:04 <Twilight`Sparkle> I'll just make sure to vote for whoever isn't involved in that fiasco.
01:04 <Twilight`Sparkle> And I'll invite Flint to move to Detroit.
01:04 <Cepheid> Librarian: I still need to get a Switch and that game. Waiting until April 24th.
01:04 <Schism> Golden: What are your tools currently at?
01:04 <Twilight`Sparkle> If nothing else, we've got water.
01:04 <Cepheid> Why that particular date? End of final exams.
01:04 <Librarian> owo
01:04 <Librarian> im waiting till they realease a fixed version
01:05 <Golden> Gold pick axe, Iron ax, Copper Watering Can, Regular farming hoe.
01:05 <Librarian> or maybe till i go to canda
01:05 <Librarian> if i go anyway
01:05 <Schism> Definitely boost your hoe and watering can, Golden, the latter ideally near the end of the season.
01:05 <Twilight`Sparkle> Or find a good rainy day.
01:05 <Cepheid> Librarian: Fixed version?
01:05 <Schism> The hoe /seems/ useless, but it's really, really not. My iridium hoe was a great help.
01:05 <Golden> Also Obsidian Sword for when I go mining.
01:06 <SaultSteMarie> anyway maybe I'll go play some Saturn games until I stop feeling so mad
01:06 <Twilight`Sparkle> It's super helpful in the first day, especially.
01:06 <Librarian> my bro told me the swirch has a lot of issues
01:06 <SaultSteMarie> well yeah
01:06 <SaultSteMarie> you got a Swirch
01:06 <Cepheid> Librarian: Name a first-generation-release console that doesn't.
01:06 <SaultSteMarie> That's a knockoff
01:06 <Cepheid> Or rather, hasn't.
01:06 <Twilight`Sparkle> Cepheid: you've played Ys, right?
01:06 <SaultSteMarie> wooooooooooo Ys :DDDDDDDDDDDD
01:06 <Cepheid> The last console I've had that didn't break down within a year was a Wii.
01:06 <Librarian> good point
01:06 <Schism> Twilight`Sparkle, might as well ask him if he's played the Tales series.
01:06 <Cepheid> Twilight`Sparkle: Yes. The first two, anyways.
01:06 <Librarian> all my consoles work fine
01:06 <Cepheid> I haven't played much of the later games.
01:07 <Twilight`Sparkle> How were they?
01:07 <Cepheid> Librarian: By first-generational, I mean the launch units.
01:07 <Twilight`Sparkle> Schism: I ask because I /haven't/ played Ys.
01:07 <Cepheid> Twilight`Sparkle: Interesting. Especially the earlier games in the series. You'd probably like them.
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01:07 <Librarian> thats waht i mean, im waiting for secod or third batch
01:07 <Twilight`Sparkle> They're apparently XSeed localized so that's encouraging.
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01:07 <SaultSteMarie> So Ys 1 and 2 are really short and fast paced and have this bump combat thing where you just kind of ram enemies off center to do damage
01:07 <SaultSteMarie> It works a lot better than it sounds
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01:07 <Cepheid> Combat's a bit wonky for Ys 1 and Ys 2. They're fast and- Yeah.
01:08 <Twilight`Sparkle> Okay, so not great games for at work.
01:08 <Librarian> there is not much for the switch anyway owo
01:08 <Cepheid> When you attack an enemy, you have to line yourself off-centre from the enemy sprite.
01:08 <SaultSteMarie> You could probably speedrun Ys 1 on a lunch break
01:08 <Librarian> i already have zelda,
01:08 <Cepheid> If you hit them the wrong way, you get injured.
01:08 <Librarian> zelda is great
01:08 <SaultSteMarie> Ys 1 and 2 Eternal/Complete/Chronicles -- the ones on Steam -- make some changes to the combat I wasn't suuuuper big on.
01:08 <Twilight`Sparkle> I like to take my time a bit.
01:08 <Cepheid> Librarian: At the moment, there are 3 games I want for the Switch.
01:09 <SaultSteMarie> You can attack diagonally, which is usually always safe, and you can pin enemies against walls
01:09 <Librarian> do tel
01:09 <Librarian> tell
01:09 <Cepheid> Legend of Zelda. Disgaea 5. Blaster Master Zero.
01:09 <SaultSteMarie> Which makes the game a little easier than it was originally.
01:09 <Cepheid> A little easier, yes.
01:09 <Cepheid> But not by much.
01:09 <Twilight`Sparkle> Apparently there's a Trails/YS crossover?
01:09 <Librarian> i wasnt so hot on disgea 5, good stuff
01:09 <Schism> Oh, and here I was going to guess 1-2-Switch, Duck Game, and Puyo Puyo Tetris.
01:09 <Cepheid> One of the things about the Ys series is that the bosses are a bit unforgiving.
01:09 <SaultSteMarie> Dawn of Ys, for the PC Engine, has the same basic combat, but diagonal attacks aren't totally safe, and if you push an enemy into a wall they scoot off to the side and maul you
01:09 <Librarian> but the protagonist is meh
01:10 <SaultSteMarie> (Dawn of Ys is pretty great btw if you want a cheap PCE import with a fan translation)
01:10 <Librarian> he is no valvatorez
01:10 <Cepheid> Heh.
01:10 <Cepheid> I still haven't finished Disgaea 4.
01:10 <Twilight`Sparkle> Really I just want Trails the 3rd and am flailing around for somethign else in the meantime.
01:10 <SaultSteMarie> Oath in Felghana -- a "remake" of Ys 3 -- and Ark of Naphistim use the same engine.
01:10 <Librarian> its probably the best
01:10 <SaultSteMarie> And you can manually attack and stuff. Both are really good. PC versions are the defintive versions
01:11 <Librarian> where are you in 4?
01:11 <Twilight`Sparkle> This is usually, but not always, the case.
01:11 <Cepheid> Ys Origin is good. Not a bad port either, aside from the videos all being directly ripped from the PSP release, so they're low-quality as hell.
01:11 <SaultSteMarie> I never got around to playing Origin but it's the same engine as Napishtim and Felghana.
01:11 <Cepheid> Librarian: Last thing I recall was rescuing Valvetorez's not-girlfriend in a circus area.
01:12 <SaultSteMarie> The original Ys 3 is sort of... weird. It's a sidescroller and kind of like Sorcerian but I like Sorcerian more from what I've played
01:12 <Librarian> i remember that
01:12 <Cepheid> Yeah, many people didn't like Ys 3 due to the changes.
01:12 <SaultSteMarie> And Ys 5's regarded as the worst in the series but I have no idea if it really deserved that.
01:12 <Cepheid> Later "remakes" of it brought it in line with expected Ys parameters of combat, etc.
01:13 <Librarian> i finished five, its as good as ever, the story was kinda lackluster
01:13 <SaultSteMarie> Felghana's more like a new game using the same story as Ys 3, albeit greatly expanded, than a remake /per se/
01:13 <Librarian> gameplay wise is as good as ever
01:13 <Twilight`Sparkle> I want more of the Trails world so much I started NG+ of SC this morning.
01:13 <Librarian> time to go
01:13 <Librarian> see ya tommorow
01:14 <Cepheid> Hum, I was gonna ask, wasn't Trails Chapter 3 supposed to be released worldwide this year? Wikipedia seems to confirm that this is the case for the PC release.
01:14 <Twilight`Sparkle> Spring 2017.
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01:14 <Twilight`Sparkle> Is what XSEED is saying.
01:14 <Cepheid> Yeah.
01:14 <Twilight`Sparkle> a March 10 post on their facebook page indicates editing is complete.
01:14 <Twilight`Sparkle> So ... "soon"
01:14 <Twilight`Sparkle> but "soon" is not "today"
01:15 <Schism> Hmm, there's always stuff like Transistor.
01:15 <Twilight`Sparkle> I have that!
01:16 <Schism> Have you beaten it? o3o
01:16 <Twilight`Sparkle> no.
01:16 <Twilight`Sparkle> I need to restart.
01:16 <Schism> Then there's an option! Lots of possibilities, lots of story to dig into.
01:16 <Twilight`Sparkle> Aye..
01:16 * Schism should play The Bard's Tale.
01:16 <SaultSteMarie> I sort of liked those but they're too grindy for my tastes iirc
01:17 <SaultSteMarie> Also Dragon Wars is kind of... it outdoes them
01:17 <SaultSteMarie> That and I had the DOS versions which weren't as good as the Amiga/Atari ST versions.
01:17 <SaultSteMarie> ... Let's not stick Dragon Wars on my backlog.
01:17 <Twilight`Sparkle> However, Transistor is more ... mmmm...
01:17 <SaultSteMarie> Twilight, so what quality of Trails stood out to you that you want more of :V
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01:17 <Twilight`Sparkle> Storyyyyyyy
01:18 <Twilight`Sparkle> and characters.
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01:18 <SaultSteMarie> i would totally recommend you tales of rebirth were it in english ;_;
01:19 <SaultSteMarie> it actually reminds me a lot of Trails for some reason
01:19 <Twilight`Sparkle> And in reading the various things around the series there's bunches of things that are foreshadowed in these early games that pay off in later games and gah.
01:19 <Schism> SaultSteMarie, are you referring to the original Bard's Tale trilogy, or to the new one?
01:19 <SaultSteMarie> the original trilogy although the new one isn't exactly new unless there's a NEW new one
01:19 <Schism> Twilight`Sparkle, ah, Ys, that is?
01:19 <Twilight`Sparkle> is tales of Rebirth at all related to Tales of Symphonia
01:19 <SaultSteMarie> no
01:19 <Twilight`Sparkle> Schism: no.
01:19 <Twilight`Sparkle> Trails in the Sky.
01:20 * Schism nods. Then considers.
01:20 <Twilight`Sparkle> Have you played/are you playing?
01:20 <Schism> Sadly, no. Once I have more income, perhaps.
01:20 <Twilight`Sparkle> AH.
01:20 <Twilight`Sparkle> *Ah.
01:21 <Schism> For a short story, if you haven't played it yet, of course I have to recommend Thomas Was Alone.
01:21 <Cepheid> I have one of the Trails games. Not sure which.
01:21 <Cepheid> All I know is that the games are massive.
01:21 <Cepheid> Lot of writing and story, which is why translation took so long, among other reasons.
01:22 <Twilight`Sparkle> You have it on...?
01:23 <Twilight`Sparkle> Steam?
01:23 <Cepheid> Yeah.
01:23 <Cloudrunner> What kind of Unix are you Unixkitty?
01:23 <Twilight`Sparkle> Does it say "SC"?
01:23 * Cepheid logs in to check.
01:24 <Cloudrunner> Why do you have to CAPS the Unix name?
01:24 <Schism> Oh, Breath of the Wild has a weapon durability system? Welp, no sale.
01:24 * Schism flees.
01:24 <Cepheid> Apparently it's the first game.
01:24 <Cepheid> The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky.
01:24 <Twilight`Sparkle> Excellent.
01:24 <Twilight`Sparkle> Because that's the one you need to play first.
01:25 <Cepheid> Schism: That's a deal-killer for you? Eh. I've had worse.
01:25 <Twilight`Sparkle> Dark Souls.
01:25 <Schism> No, that was me being silly. :P
01:25 <SaultSteMarie> From what I've seen BotW just barfs weapons at you
01:26 <Cepheid> Indeed.
01:26 <Twilight`Sparkle> Cepheid: SC, second Chapter, picks up literally at the point where the first game leaves off.
01:26 <SaultSteMarie> I should get around to playing Legend of Xanadu. Which is... technically in the same series as Trails.
01:26 <Cepheid> As for the worst game when it comes to durability is, I'd have to say...
01:27 <Twilight`Sparkle> Also I super recommend making sure to get all the Bracer Points in the first game, even if it means following a guide.
01:27 <Twilight`Sparkle> And if you care, know that the Carnelia books are something of a Guide Dang It, too.
01:27 <Cepheid> NISA's Fate(Not *THAT* Fate) series, and the game that spawned them, the ZHP game. I forget it's full name.
01:27 <SaultSteMarie> http://i.imgur.com/pEfYqRX.jpg so is this fwiw
01:28 <Cepheid> They're dungeon crawlers in the style of a turn-based roguelike, and weapons and armour have durability.
01:28 <Twilight`Sparkle> ..Whaaaat is that?
01:28 <SaultSteMarie> Monarch Monarch
01:28 <SaultSteMarie> It's kind of a puzzle RTS
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01:28 <Cepheid> Weapons and armor in those games I listed break quite rapidly.
01:28 <SaultSteMarie> Like the AI will clear a lot of the levels on its own so it's more about optimizing how they do that to get a higher score
01:28 <SaultSteMarie> it's weird and strangely enchanting
01:28 <Cepheid> In fact, it's not uncommon to lose every weapon or armour you find in a dungeon because you use them up as you go down in the dungeon.
01:28 <SaultSteMarie> http://www.falcom.com/monarch/index_e.html prequel's free
01:29 <Cepheid> ...
01:29 <Cepheid> SaultSteMarie, I have been searching for that game for a long time. I just couldn't remember the name.
01:29 <SaultSteMarie> oh. ahah.
01:30 <SaultSteMarie> glad i could help : )
01:30 <Cepheid> I was mostly looking for it because I remember playing it in the past, and I wasn't sure if my memory of it was valid or not, because I could never find it after that point in time.
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01:31 <SaultSteMarie> I had a weird moment like that recently, where I had a dream that night in the woods had some prequel games and I was convinced that they were real, but I couldn't find them anywhere so I assumed I'd just imagined it
01:32 <SaultSteMarie> but then they actually were real and I just am bad at googling I guess
01:32 <Twilight`Sparkle> You know what I've wanted to play again, but can't?
01:33 <Cepheid> What?
01:33 <Twilight`Sparkle> Rage of Mages.
01:33 <Cepheid> https://www.gog.com/game/rage_of_mages
01:33 <SaultSteMarie> why can't you
01:33 <Twilight`Sparkle> I even still have the CD-ROMs.
01:33 <Schism> Oh, this is interesting...
01:33 <Twilight`Sparkle> But when attempting to play it...
01:33 <SaultSteMarie> "DON'T BUY! mouse scrolling issue is not fixed in gog version"
01:33 <Twilight`Sparkle> That.
01:33 <Twilight`Sparkle> Right there.
01:33 <Twilight`Sparkle> That.
01:33 <Cepheid> Ah.
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01:33 <Schism> Following a 7/10 review for Breath of the Wild (which, by the way, is a passing, good, actively decent review), Nintendo supporters have DDOS'd Jim Sterling's website.
01:34 <Cepheid> ... Wut.
01:34 <Twilight`Sparkle> Move the mouse to the edge of the screen, the map scrolls /all the way/ to the edge in half a second.
01:34 <Cepheid> Wait, this is the Internet.
01:34 <SaultSteMarie> There are WAY better reasons to DDOS jim sterling >:TTTTTTTT
01:34 <Cepheid> I rescind my previous statement.
01:34 <Twilight`Sparkle> Cepheid: zelda zealots.
01:34 <Schism> Yeah, and Sterling actually does review on a 10-point scale.
01:34 <Twilight`Sparkle> And cries of "8.8"
01:34 <Cepheid> Twilight`Sparkle: That and "for the luls."
01:34 <SaultSteMarie> actually wait i am not sure who jim sterling is. nevermind.
01:34 <Twilight`Sparkle> Jimquisition.
01:35 <Schism> A rather caustic critic of a variety of games, and certain practices within the industry.
01:35 <Twilight`Sparkle> I've never watched his show, but then I'm not super into revies..
01:35 <Twilight`Sparkle> *reviews
01:35 <SaultSteMarie> i'm not into modern gamer culture :S
01:36 <Schism> His weekly rants have earned him a bit of flak... and the show's not really a review show per se, so much as a 'hey, what's the game industry screwed up now' sort of thing.
01:36 <VinylScratch> He's a game critic, not a reviewer
01:36 <VinylScratch> kiiinda what he does
01:36 <Twilight`Sparkle> K.
01:36 <Schism> This week's rant, for example, is about weapon degradation, which should have an option to be disabled.
01:36 <Twilight`Sparkle> Other things I have never watched: The Nostalgia Critic, AVGN, Sequelitis.
01:36 <Cepheid> Not a good thing to be on the Internet unless you want spam, spam, spam, DDOS attacks, and some letter bombs. A critic on the Internet.
01:37 <Schism> I can think of one case - well, okay, two cases - where weapon degradation worked, and worked well.
01:37 <Twilight`Sparkle> ...Well, I think I watched Nostalgia's take on the Ralph Bakshi LOTR movies, but eh.
01:37 <VinylScratch> Eh, I still thank god for Jim now and then. ;3 As he requests of us mere viewers
01:38 <Cepheid> Schism: Honestly, so long as it's not as fast as NISA's Fate games and ZHP, I'm good.
01:38 <Twilight`Sparkle> I was never a big fan of it in Fire Emblem.
01:38 * Schism nods, "I've heard it is actually pretty darn quick."
01:38 * The_Nostalgia_Mare dances with VinylScratch to the chains of love.
01:38 <Cepheid> Losing your weapon after 40 attacks in a rogue-like dungeon crawler(Turn-based, grid, etc. THAT kind of roguelike. Think actual Rogue.) is a bit nuts.
01:38 <Cepheid> Or having armour bust after 15 or so attacks against you.
01:39 <Schism> One case in which degradation worked well was Dead Island.
01:39 <Twilight`Sparkle> It does make more sense in survival type games...
01:39 <Twilight`Sparkle> like ARK or Minecraft. It gives you a reason to keep hunting resources.
01:40 <Schism> Yea, but in those survival type games, resource management /is/ the game.
01:40 <SaultSteMarie> i want like, the opposite of a survival game
01:40 <Twilight`Sparkle> Yis.
01:40 <SaultSteMarie> where instead of surviving you start the game and just like
01:40 <SaultSteMarie> die
01:40 <Twilight`Sparkle> You Only Live Once?
01:40 <Schism> Go play Sybion Action, SaultSteMarie.
01:40 * Cepheid gives SaultSteMarie a modded version of minecraft that does exactly that.
01:40 <Schism> Wait, wrong.
01:40 <Twilight`Sparkle> Oh, also, Murdered: Soul Suspect.
01:40 <Schism> Syobon Action.
01:41 <Twilight`Sparkle> The main character dies in the opening scene.
01:41 <Schism> Twilight`Sparkle, oh, and there's Ghost Trick. :3
01:41 <Cepheid> Speaking of mods, I need to update Starbound to either reduce food consumption rate, or adjust the maximum food level so you can survive more than 20 minutes without food.
01:41 <Twilight`Sparkle> Ah, yes.
01:41 <Twilight`Sparkle> Ghost Trick, where again, the main character dies in the opening scene.
01:41 <Cepheid> For the record, server's offline for the moment until I can figure something out with the network.
01:41 <Schism> I need to play through Ghost Trick again, awesome stuff.
01:42 * Schism nods to Cepheid, "What's up with the network, just the wifi being wonky?"
01:42 <VinylScratch> wonderful game, Schism
01:42 <Cepheid> Schism: Something like that, yes.
01:42 <Cepheid> Ghost Trick made me sad with the ending.
01:42 <VinylScratch> Same
01:42 <Twilight`Sparkle> But it had happy ending!
01:42 <VinylScratch> It was happier than AA3 was at least
01:42 <Cepheid> Technically that's true.
01:43 * Schism sniffles, and drinks from a cup of coffee.
01:43 <Twilight`Sparkle> I mean there was that super chokey bit with the "Please, someone notice me!" and man that kind of stuff kills me
01:43 <Cepheid> Especially with one detail I wouldn't mind having.
01:43 <Cepheid> Immortal kitten.
01:43 <Twilight`Sparkle> But Ghost Trick ended /happily/ and boy did they make you work for it.
01:43 <Phoebe> I'm silly but I'm coding a partition simulator in python
01:43 * Twilight`Sparkle flails at Cepheid's spoilers.
01:43 <VinylScratch> I loved Ghost Trick so much, can't lie
01:43 <Phoebe> Using dictionaries as the partition sets
01:44 <Cepheid> Twilight`Sparkle, uh, sorry.
01:44 <Cepheid> Given the game's been out for a long time now I thought it'd be fine.
01:44 <Twilight`Sparkle> I'm teasing
01:44 <Cepheid> :P
01:44 <Twilight`Sparkle> I mean clearly I've played it.
01:44 <Cepheid> I mean c'mon, immortal kitty with capacity for human learning.
01:44 <Cepheid> Totally awesome.
01:45 <Twilight`Sparkle> Yes.
01:45 <Twilight`Sparkle> The super hero no one would ever expect.
01:45 <Twilight`Sparkle> At the end that was my thought, vision of the future, basically.
01:46 <Cepheid> To be honest, it'd be a little hard to get used to at first.
01:46 <Twilight`Sparkle> For who.
01:46 <Cepheid> For the owner.
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01:46 <Twilight`Sparkle> Eh, you just get used to having your good luck charm around
01:46 <Cepheid> Just sitting there, then they notice the cat's watching them ever so carefully as they perform a task.
01:46 <Cepheid> Almost *TOO* carefully. As if it's trying to learn how to do that task.
01:47 <Cepheid> Then the next day you find the cat manipulating a can opener.
01:47 <Cepheid> Then a few weeks later, the two of you are playing a round of Halo 5.
01:47 <Cepheid> And the cat beats you.
01:48 <Twilight`Sparkle> Eh, I dunno, kitten might not be interested in that.
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01:48 <Cepheid> If it has a capacity for higher learning, and a desire to better get along with it's owner, I dunno. I can see a cat learning to do things it wouldn't normally do just for that alone.
01:49 <Twilight`Sparkle> Well, kitten is with Lynne, so.
01:50 <Twilight`Sparkle> I expect much more along the lines of Lynne getting used to mysterious help with lots of cases that involve /almost/ death.
01:50 <Cepheid> Speaking of cats, I've come to the conclusion that they are my anchor to the world of the living. Should I ever lose a cat, and not have another cat placed into my life within a certain time frame, I am almost certain the depression and loneliness would kill me.
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01:53 <Cepheid> In any case, I need to get to sleep. Gotta be up early tomorrow.
01:53 <Schism> Rest well.
01:53 <Twilight`Sparkle> g'nitght.
01:53 * Schism boops FreezeFrame with some core fragments.
01:54 <Twilight`Sparkle> So I may be rotating to a new position, Schism.
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01:58 <Schism> Oh?
01:58 * Schism notes, is playing a little Starbound.
01:59 * Filly_Nightmares kneads Schism
01:59 <Twilight`Sparkle> Yeah, applied and was approved for internal rotation to a new desk that's launching soon, and had my interview for it today. I don't see them deciding not to take me.
02:00 <Twilight`Sparkle> Desk is for Nike.
02:00 <Twilight`Sparkle> Desk is /huge/, like, 100+ agents?
02:00 <Twilight`Sparkle> and it's launching first week of MAy.
02:00 <Schism> Niiiice. :D
02:00 <Schism> Hopefully that'll work well for you!
02:00 <Twilight`Sparkle> Yes.
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02:00 <Twilight`Sparkle> I am bored at current desk.
02:02 <Twilight`Sparkle> +
02:02 <Twilight`Sparkle> woops
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02:04 * Filly_Nightmares +splodes!
02:04 <Filly_Nightmares> .3.
02:05 * Divide splodes too. *grump*
02:06 * Filly_Nightmares latches onto Divide's face and wuvsplodes!
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02:22 * Schism sighs, "One of those nights."
02:23 <Twilight`Sparkle> hm?
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02:47 <nyditch> #suchdrawingnoob T_T
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02:48 <stormdashnlr> !hug
02:48 <DerpyBot> Hugtiem? :3
02:48 <Phoebe> Since I use Linux on a VM, I should try to do partitioning in the VM
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02:49 <Phoebe> I'd never friend a Linux hater. XD
02:50 <Phoebe> I'm okay with people who doesn't know Linux
02:51 <nyditch> Linux haters just don't know. It's a matter of ignoracne. =P
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02:52 <SunsetShimmer> I generally feel lukewarm about linux - I've grown up using windows, it's what I know
02:52 <nyditch> Aye, same here.
02:52 <Phoebe> But don't hate it?
02:52 <nyditch> Dabbled a little bit, but it was long ago.
02:53 <SunsetShimmer> Lukewarm basically implies no real strong feeling
02:53 <SunsetShimmer> it's just kinda a thing I know of
02:53 <nyditch> If it doesn't work, you didn't put enough backslashes.
02:55 <nyditch> I got the unofficial award back in high school for crashing the Linux server.
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03:07 * Schism sips some strong tea with lemon and stevia.
03:10 * Schism considers what crops to plant.
03:10 <nyditch> Miracle berries
03:11 <Schism> Nah. I definitely want at least 96 of each crop, but I'm wondering if I should up that to a LOT more cranberries.
03:11 * Sleepai howdy
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03:12 * Schism waves. Also, hums, "Maybe a few extra beets, too."
03:14 <jimm> now I'm reminded of harvest moon
03:14 <jimm> that was a nice series
03:16 <Schism> Not coincidentally, I'm playing Stardew Valley.
03:17 <SaultSteMarie> i am stuck in Exile :|
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03:23 <Schism> So, hum. Corn can be kept - readily, at that - I want 96 of the Amaranth, Artichokes, Beets, et cetera...
03:35 * Schism sighs. "And now, let's see how long it takes to get that freakin' Large Egg."
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03:48 <Schism> Hmm. Not bad. Full set of seeds for stocking, only cost 100k...
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03:54 <Schism> Cruuuud. Okay, day restart.
04:05 * Thelema5 mashes the big red restart button
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04:13 <Schism> Whew. Important crops are now planted in Stardew Moon, and I can get to dealing with the rest of the Harvest Valley fall crops shortly.
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04:17 <Golden> Good night everyone
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04:19 <DashKetchum> best pony
04:22 <Schism> Stardew Valley: A game which rewards planning, competence, and the ability to remember that 24 * 4 = 96, not 92.
04:25 <Thelema5> DashKetchum, was that intended as a question?
04:26 <Thelema5> There is no right answer until you define the criteria
04:26 <DashKetchum> It is a statement
04:26 <Thelema5> I see. Context would help though.
04:26 <DashKetchum> Criteria: Blue body, rainbow hair, can do Sonic Rainboom.
04:26 <Thelema5> So Pinkie Pie?
04:26 <DashKetchum> Yes.
04:27 <DashKetchum> (but actually she's #2)
04:27 <Thelema5> I'm pretty sure she could do all of that if she really wanted to. I mean, she is the only character who takes advantage of cartoon physics.
04:27 <Thelema5> *full advantage
04:28 <Thelema5> Rainbow Dash is a good pony, I just wish the writers would agree to some growth continuity for her
04:28 <DashKetchum> that being said if I could be a pony I'd be Pinkie Pie (and take the occasional Dashie ride for the awesome fun :D)
04:28 <DashKetchum> (that might be the music I'm listening to speaking though lol)
04:28 <DashKetchum> (Ponyville FM)
04:28 <Thelema5> :p
04:29 <Thelema5> Pinkies have more fun.
04:29 * Schism is short sprinklers... o.o
04:29 <Thelema5> Irrigation is magic
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04:31 <Schism> Indeed. Thankfully, I have extra materials for these.
04:31 <DashKetchum> so I'm assuming you like ponk
04:31 <DashKetchum> ?
04:32 <DashKetchum> Thelema5:
04:32 <Thelema5> She is fun to watch and always makes me smile
04:33 <Thelema5> Ironically, she used to be my least favorite. I feel like it took 3 seasons before the writers really got a handle on her character
04:33 <DashKetchum> Ponk has always been my number 2
04:34 <DashKetchum> Rainbow Dash was my favorite since before I started watching the show
04:35 <Thelema5> She is a very popular pone
04:35 <DashKetchum> mostly because of the Awesomeme (you know the one)
04:35 <DashKetchum> then I started watching the show, turns out she's still my favwe
04:35 <DashKetchum> fave*
04:36 <DashKetchum> (and if you don't know which meme, it follows that your current temperature may in fact be about 5/4 of optimal)
04:37 <Thelema5> I was just disappointed how her character has been treated lately, especially in 28 pranks later and newbie dash
04:38 <Thelema5> It's as if the writers sent her back to season 1
04:39 <Braixen> huh DashKetchum
04:39 <Braixen> never seen that name
04:39 <DashKetchum> Thelema5: Ugh don't remind me of 28PL
04:40 <DashKetchum> though chances are we hate it for opposite reasons\
04:40 <Thelema5> Could be. I guess we could agree that it wasn't a good episode
04:41 <DashKetchum> Yeah. TL;DR is I didn't like the ending at all... Dashie was out of character when she backed down instead of fully owning (NOT "owning up to") her actions
04:41 <DashKetchum> I don't care to rewatch at the moment but the way it was handled also was very sloppy
04:42 <DashKetchum> I seem to recall a lot of overreaction on the part of many characters
04:42 <Reia> Season 1 Dashie knew better than to prank Flutters. She has had much character development since then. They decided to reverse her to even worse than season 1 by having her prank Flutters
04:43 <DashKetchum> Again, opposite reasons, same conclusion
04:43 <DashKetchum> :P
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04:44 <DashKetchum> I think we can both agree the episode was sloppily written though
04:44 <DashKetchum> and quite lopsided as if it didn't know what it wanted to be
04:44 <Thelema5> Yus
04:44 <DashKetchum> we just disagree on what it should have been :P
04:44 <Snapai> Sounds like they haven't been writing season bibles.
04:44 <Snapai> Which is a term I just made up!
04:45 <Thelema5> I like the term!
04:45 <Thelema5> This should be a thing.
04:45 <Snapai> But like. When you pitch a series, you have a "pitch bible" which covers the basics of the series.
04:45 <Thelema5> Yup. Let's codify the new season, where it came from, and where it's headed.
04:45 <Snapai> And when you enter production, you have a "show bible" that defines the world and all the characters, and you add to it as you develop the show.
04:46 <Snapai> But the thing with a series is- typically you have a seasonal spine. At the beginning of the season you define a "new situation" and at the end of the season you reveal how the characters have settled into their new situation. (Or you can go ahead and rescramble it at the season finale if you know you're getting renewed)
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04:47 <Snapai> MLP Season 1 opener: Twilight leaves the castle with the instructions "make some friends". Season 1 finale - Twilight returns to the castle and demonstrates what good friends she's made (with hilarious consequences)
04:47 <Schism> Whew... ugergh.
04:48 <Snapai> I haven't gone through the rest of the seasons, but you can probably find something equivalent linking the beginning and end and creating a structure or theme to build the middle episodes off of.
04:48 <Schism> One of the most evil words in any language is 'optimal'.
04:48 * Thelema5 builds one HUGE repeating .gif
04:49 <Snapai> (Most TV shows, MLP included, you know which episode will begin and end the season, but the others may be arbitrarily reordered, and may be written simultaneously, so you don't try to impose too much sequential-ness on em, ideally they could air in any order)
04:49 <DashKetchum> AH! I read the synopsis and realized one reason I hated the episode so much. For one, this reminded me too much of Breezies (which I could, and have done, write thousands of words about how bad it is)
04:49 <DashKetchum> when it was taken from Ponk's perspective
04:50 <Snapai> So with all that planning, when you specify what's new and changed about your main characters' world for each season, it would MAKE SENSE to also have a season bible update or whatever, that says "Okay, this is how the characters were changed by the last season, and this is each of their new issues to deal with overall)
04:50 <Thelema5> DashKetchum, breezies is my #1 least favorite episode.
04:51 <DashKetchum> the idea being doing the thing that one does not want to do, to someone who does not want it to be done to them... that is inexcusable IMO unless there's some kind of bribe or threat.
04:51 <DashKetchum> And YES Thelema5 agreed... like, literally the best part of that episode was a freaking TOY COMMERCIAL TRANSFORMATION SEQUENCE
04:52 <Snapai> Nonsense.
04:52 <Snapai> The best part of Breezies was Fluttershy in a bee costume ;p
04:52 <DashKetchum> That was #2
04:52 <DashKetchum> Replace Breezies with Flutter Brother, put a key item in it, and suddenly nothing of value would be lost
04:52 <DashKetchum> Flutter Brother is Breezies done right
04:53 <Snapai> https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2014/3/1/564228__safe_fluttershy_clothes_screencap_animated_plot_costume_hub+logo_hubble_it+ain%27t+easy+being+breezies.gif
04:53 <DashKetchum> (sure it's not perfect, but it redeemed the idea of that particular moral conflict by far)
04:53 <Thelema5> I liked Flutter Brudder
04:53 <Snapai> Sometimes I wish MLP stuck a little less rigidly to the dramatic arc too.
04:54 <Snapai> Like, sure - you need your A plot B plot with a C plot character development to reconcile them too.
04:54 <DashKetchum> Snapai: if you mean the map thing, yeah that honestly has seemed a bit out of place to me
04:54 <Snapai> ....but does it have to happen at exactly the same minute in every episode, pacing be damned?
04:54 <DashKetchum> Ah that
04:54 <DashKetchum> I thought you meant the rigid structure of "I'm the map!"
04:54 <Snapai> Nono
04:55 <Snapai> I actually haven't seen most of the most recent season
04:55 <DashKetchum> where, the letter to Celestia (which was actually decent especially considering it was "organically" placed) was replaced with something that signaled both a beginning *and* and end
04:55 <Snapai> I mean how they have the per-episode dramatic arc mapped out against the episode really strictly.
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04:56 <Snapai> and and an end en
04:56 <DashKetchum> Ah. Never noticed that tbh. Then again, I'm used to Phineas and Ferb, which often seems rigid to the millisecond in that sense.
04:56 <Snapai> Every episode is 3x 7 minute segments, one for each act. The first act has some variability, based on how long the cold open they've come up with is.
04:57 <DashKetchum> (it does so masterfully, but IMO Phineas and Ferb is "creators break the rules of what makes 'good' animation, it's still very good anyway")
04:58 <Snapai> Act 1 is problem A, Act 2 is complication B, act 3 spends most of its time smashing A and B together (rather than coming up with a reasonably strong character bit to preface the resolution); everything's solved in minute 6 of act 3, and the resolution is minute 7.
04:59 <Thelema5> Very much in tune to children's attention span
04:59 <Snapai> Seems to me like a lot of times they really kinda' forget the character part of it, considering that especially in MLP the resolution *must* be a character shift, not an epic battle, except for the one with Tirek.
05:01 <Snapai> Thelema5, what I'm listing is distracting tho'. Different bits of character acting take different time, and when you hold it to a strict metronome-tick of a time schedule, scenes go too fast or too slow.
05:01 <Thelema5> Huh. We're supposed to be getting hit with the snowstorm of the century right now- two feet of snow falling at 4 inches per hour. But I just looked outside, and there's nothing. I've already planned to call out from work in the morning; what happens if nothing happens?
05:02 <Thelema5> Snapai, of course. It's a bit formulaic. I expect that.
05:02 <Snapai> This is probably partly why they tend to turn the screws of character awkwardness/embarassment for too long. Coz they're holding for the right time to hit the next beat, rather than expanding other scenes that might fit better.
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05:02 <Thelema5> You can pretty much apply the same metrics to any other classic kid's show
05:03 <Snapai> It's not the formulaicness that bothers me, it's the strict timing. :P
05:03 <Thelema5> Blame commercial programming
05:04 <Snapai> I'm speaking somewhat from what I've picked up from a book by a writer whose main credits were Muppet Babies and the first TMNT series
05:04 <Thelema5> With strictly defined commercial breaks, the story has to be written in a wa which is compelling regardless of regluar interuptions.
05:04 <Thelema5> *way
05:04 <DashKetchum> Pony.
05:04 <Snapai> The length of the episode, the duration and number of commercial breaks is fixed.
05:04 <Snapai> The time index at which the commercial breaks happen typically is not.
05:05 <DashKetchum> It is to an extent
05:05 <DashKetchum> you can't have a 15-minute section with no commercials
05:05 <Snapai> The episode must be three pieces, totalling 22 minutes (30 seconds each go to intro and outtro).
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05:06 <Snapai> The reason you can't have a 15 minute piece is then the rest of the episode is REALLY short like when the news comes back, does a single story, and goes to commercial again.
05:06 <Snapai> (and you could probably do a 15 minute section if you really needed it, and then two 3.5 minute sections)
05:07 <Snapai> Er, 3 minute. You know what I mean =P
05:07 <DashKetchum> also am I the only one who realizes Glim is a Cutie Marxist?
05:08 <Snapai> har
05:09 * Thelema5 ducks for cover
05:10 * DashKetchum covers the ducks
05:10 <Snapai> Though I don't like associating equaltown or whatever it was called with Marx's philosophy; it does pretty well represent the failures of Marxist-Leninism (state socialism)
05:11 <Snapai> Undercover duck bills.
05:11 <Snapai> ...
05:11 <Snapai> Hey- where's Perry?
05:11 <Thelema5> I think the best name is simply "Ourtown", as referred to in the song
05:11 <Snapai> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRCT30pDtVE
05:11 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
05:11 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Phineas and Ferb | Song | Perry The Platypus' Theme Song | HD, Captions (Subtitles) & Loop
05:12 <Snapai> o/~ dooby dooby doobah! o/~
05:13 * Schism collects a buttload of vegetables. Huzzah.
05:14 <DashKetchum> >where's Perry
05:14 <DashKetchum> :D
05:14 <Thelema5> Yay vegetables!
05:14 <DashKetchum> Good show
05:14 <DashKetchum> sadly had to end sometime
05:14 <Thelema5> I wish it really was summer and my garden ws producing
05:14 <Thelema5> *was
05:15 <DashKetchum> P&F really didn't have a community like MLP did even though chances are more teens/adults watched it
05:15 <DashKetchum> erm, like MLP does
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05:16 <Thelema5> I grit my teeth and crack my knuckles every time I go and buy a tomato, bean, lettuce, or pepper
05:16 <Snapai> I have pepper plants and bamboo sprouted :D
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05:17 <DashKetchum> Like, Phineas and Ferb may have been the show with the lowest average involvement intensity of any kids show with a decent number of non-child viewers
05:17 <Snapai> Also have an entire 72-position seed tray with 1/4 lavender, 1/4 radish, 1/4 carrot, and 1/4 groundcherry.
05:17 <Thelema5> I am still getting habaneros from a plant I brought inside for the winter
05:17 <DashKetchum> (would still say MLP has the highest, if anything the number has gone up a bit since 2-3 years ago due to fewer casual fans remaining)
05:18 <Thelema5> I cannot start seedlings this year, sadly, because my cider making equipment took over the space I use to dedicate to it
05:18 <Snapai> I lost track which peppers seeded which pods tho', so while I have a bunch of pepper plants I have no idea what they'll produce XD
05:18 <DashKetchum> They will produce produce
05:18 <Schism> Ah, I kinda want to plant some peppers this spring - something nice and spicy. o3o
05:19 <Snapai> Could be bell peppers, could be carolina cayenne, could be shishito, who knows
05:20 <Thelema5> If you live in a hot arid climate I recommend Ghost Peppers (bhut jolokia) because they are very desirable at market right now and command a high price
05:20 <Snapai> I planted four kinds, thai peppers, carolina cayenne, shishito, and....something else.
05:20 <Snapai> I don't remember what the fourth one was @_@
05:20 <Snapai> Thai and Shishito came from grocery store peppers.
05:20 <Thelema5> Sadly, I cannot grow them here due to our short growing season
05:20 <Snapai> I've currently got all my plants inside.
05:21 <Snapai> And I got a batch of phyllostachys nigra seeds (supposedly) that sprouted well!
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05:21 <Thelema5> Isn't that an invasive bamboo?
05:21 <Snapai> The phyllostachys vivax didn't sprout. The phyllostachys moso were definitely not the right seeds in the package.
05:22 * Thelema5 buys Snapai a panda to keep those plants in check
05:22 <Snapai> You're thinking of phyllostachys aureosulcata
05:22 <Thelema5> Perhaps.
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05:22 <Snapai> That's the small-diameter yellow bamboo that they sell at any garden center that actually carries bamboo
05:22 <Thelema5> In my region, all bamboo is invasive
05:23 <Snapai> People say that "clumping" bamboo is safe and "running" bamboo is invasive, but actually aureosulcata is the invasive one but a clumping
05:23 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
05:23 <Snapai> ....probably because running bamboo doesn't create dense vegation-choking thickets really, it just takes off in one direction and keeps going.
05:24 <Thelema5> Heya, ConfusionRift
05:24 * ConfusionRift waves.
05:26 <Thelema5> I hope to cultivate Stupice tomatoes this year, a variety common to my ancestor's homeland. I attended a heritage tomato tasting a few years ago, and this variety was the one which was most appealing to me. I was surprised to learn that it's history is linked with my own, culturally.
05:27 <Snapai> http://halfsidebamboo.info/wordpress/wp-content/themes/thesis/images/Runvsclump/34_caespitose%20leptomorph.jpg - clumping style.
05:28 <Thelema5> Namely, these tomatoes were bread and cultivated in the small area which my family originates from. They tasted familar too me, despite having never tried them before. The flavorjust seemed "right".
05:28 <Snapai> http://plantthis.com.au/images/garden-tips/138/Bambusa-vulgaris.jpg - aaand running
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05:34 * ConfusionRift bites on some bamboo.
05:36 <Schism> For the love of -- who do I have to kill to get a large egg?!
05:37 <ConfusionRift> 0_0;
05:37 * ConfusionRift pops away.
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05:41 <Starwatcher> mrrar
05:41 <Starwatcher> hi everypony
05:43 <ConfusionRift> Hellooo.
05:43 <Starwatcher> how are
05:43 <ConfusionRift> I is. :P
05:44 <Starwatcher> same.
05:44 * Starwatcher shuffles on his hooves
05:55 <Tirek> Greetings.
05:56 * Schism offers Tirek a wave from Pelican Town.
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05:57 * Filly_Nightmares skree!
06:01 * Schism flumps, and growls at Stardew Valley. "Large Eggs take forever."
06:02 <DashKetchum> tirek
06:02 <DashKetchum> I remember you from a long time ago
06:02 <DashKetchum> pre-Tirek
06:02 <DashKetchum> well, pre-G4 Tirek
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06:26 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Roundup #1405 [ http://tinyurl.com/ju6jq47 ]
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06:49 <ConfusionRift> Well, Chronicles of Teddy, here we go.
06:53 <Tirek> Oh, well
06:53 <ConfusionRift> Indeed.
06:55 <Tirek> I've been neglecting IRC.
06:56 <Tirek> Because I've pretty much moved over to Discord.
06:56 <Tirek> Irony is not lost on me.
06:56 <Tirek> Either way, I'm now moderating a server that is 500 users strong.
06:56 <Tirek> And that thought terrifies me.
06:56 <Tirek> Because there's more to come.
06:59 <ConfusionRift> That would keep anyone distracted and worried. Besides, not much going on this channel.
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07:09 * Electron pulls on ConfusionRift's ear
07:10 <ConfusionRift> Ough! Hey there, Electron.
07:10 <Electron> Heya.
07:10 <Electron> Can you move them?
07:11 <Schism> Phew... I swear once I'm done year 2, I'm going to keep at least 720 of each seed in stock.
07:11 <ConfusionRift> Move them?
07:11 <Electron> Your ears.
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07:12 <ConfusionRift> Well yeah... except the one you're biting.
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07:12 <Electron> Do it!
07:13 * ConfusionRift does so, moving Electron around.
07:13 <Electron> :O
07:17 <Electron> I thought you work at night shifts. Am I right, ConfusionRift?
07:18 <ConfusionRift> Late dayshifts, mostly. I sometimes have to show up in the morning.
07:21 <Electron> Aww, that sucks.
07:21 <Electron> I mean, morning part.
07:22 * Ali flops on Tirek
07:22 <Ali> I think almost everyone has moved to Discord now...
07:24 <ConfusionRift> Maybe. I'll be sticking here though.
07:24 <Electron> But IRC was dead even before MLP activity.
07:25 <Electron> I wouldn't get to know what is IRC if not ponies.
07:25 <Electron> Now I'm in Discord as well. But, gosh, people are disgusting.
07:25 <Tirek> I've been told there's an EQD discord server, but I don't have a clue what that's like, or even if its the same people using it.
07:26 <Electron> Good luck with moderating a Discord room, Tirek. It's a hard work.
07:26 <Schism> Electron: You might say that humanity has declined.
07:26 <Tirek> Ha.
07:26 <Tirek> I need it.
07:27 <Tirek> We got 80 new people in an HOUR.
07:27 * Electron nods to Sir Schism
07:27 <Tirek> And they're still coming.
07:27 <Ali> I haven't heard too many good things about the EQD Discord server
07:27 <Tirek> I'm afraid to look.
07:27 <Tirek> But curiosity is a powerful thing.
07:27 <Electron> I have not heard any good thing, if you ask me.
07:28 <Tirek> Obviously, I'd like to know the juicy details regarding the terror and horror that it is before I jump in, though.
07:28 <Tirek> Privately, of course.
07:28 <Electron> Rooms are full of cloppers and "sweggers" and "gangtas".
07:28 <Tirek> Oh, adorable. I'd fit right in.
07:28 <Ali> Well not for the main room
07:29 <Ali> EqD is clop free zone
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07:29 <Tirek> If it weren't for the fact that I don't like ponies anymore, I might have considered joining it.
07:29 <Electron> But the atmoshpere is like a prison canteen.
07:29 <Tirek> Hm.
07:30 <Tirek> Curiosity might claim another victim in the coming days.
07:30 <Tirek> I'm not adverse to at least one of those things existing, mind, so that might help a bit.
07:31 <Electron> What's a main room in EqD Discord server?
07:32 <Tirek> Part of me wants to se.
07:32 <Electron> Ponyville? Canterlot? Cloudsdale?
07:32 <Tirek> The other part is terrified of what I might see.
07:33 <Electron> You will not be terrified. You are gonna get bored as it's just usual people like anywhere else.
07:34 <Electron> Ordinary rudeness.
07:34 <Tirek> Hm.
07:35 <Tirek> Yeah, I'll skip it for now.
07:37 * Electron pokes Renny
07:40 <Electron> Hey, ConfusionRift, have new pony pictures?
07:40 * Schism huzzahs, bumping Sebastian up to 8 hearts... and soon Shane will be there too.
07:41 <ConfusionRift> Like drawings? Nah. It's been a while now. Might get back to it in a bit.
07:41 * Schism will indeed be skipping the Discord... and boops ConfusionRift with a graphite pencil!
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07:42 <Electron> And maybe any found good pictures, ConfusionRift?
07:43 <nyditch> Heh, just recently decided to get back into drawing. Been so long. Much time and lost ability to make up for.
07:43 <Electron> Oh, what do you use to draw, nyditch?
07:44 <nyditch> Heh, I never really got past noob level, but I mainly do either pencil or tablet in Flash.
07:44 <Electron> Nice.
07:45 <Tirek> I am on Discord at any rate, and if anyone wants to get a hold of me there, I'm Alestance#4481
07:45 <nyditch> Decided it was time to try to put aside reservations and attempt o create my own unique OC.
07:45 <ConfusionRift> Not sure where this is from or for, but this is a nice animation.
07:45 <ConfusionRift> !link https://derpibooru.org/1383501?q=artist%3Adeannart
07:45 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this picture is about glare sleeping safe princess luna is not amused gritted teeth (and 29 more)
07:45 <nyditch> Hah, that's great!
07:46 <Tirek> I recently got back into drawing, myself.
07:46 <nyditch> *Hi-5*
07:46 <Tirek> Mostly because I dumped 1700 bucks into a wacom tablet.
07:46 <nyditch> O_O
07:46 <Tirek> I got a Cintiq 22HD.
07:46 <nyditch> Whoa
07:46 <nyditch> Fancy
07:47 <Tirek> I've been putting roughly 2-4 hours a day into just sketching, painting, and general study
07:47 <nyditch> Back in '06 I dumped $200 into an Intuos 3. It has served me well for my noobish purposes. XD
07:47 <Tirek> Intuos is usually a good starting point.
07:48 <Tirek> Especially now, since Wacom axed the Bamboo line.
07:48 <nyditch> Oh didn't know they did
07:48 <Tirek> I think they did, anyway.
07:48 <Tirek> But I've had a bamboo tablet for 2-3 years now, and it has done great things for me.
07:48 * nyditch doesn't keep up with it much
07:48 <Electron> Dat Luna face, ConfusionRift.
07:48 <Schism> ...!
07:49 <Schism> Finally, done the Community Center...
07:49 <ConfusionRift> That's the face of "guuuuh, when will it eeeend".
07:49 <nyditch> I like how Maud is there for good measure
07:49 <Tirek> http://i.imgur.com/z0VPiUV.png
07:49 <Tirek> An example of what I've done.
07:49 <ConfusionRift> "I was invited. Not sure why."
07:49 <Schism> Tirek: Very cool. :D
07:49 <nyditch> Nice
07:49 <ConfusionRift> I 'member this.
07:49 <Tirek> This is two years old now, mind you.
07:50 <Electron> Maud is awesome.
07:50 <Tirek> And, I remember the absolute pain in the rear it was the whole way through.
07:50 <ConfusionRift> The darn shading, maaan.
07:50 <Tirek> Yeah.
07:50 * nyditch wouldn't have any idea where to begin
07:51 <Tirek> I think I have a layer breakdown which kinda shows the process I took when doing it.
07:51 <Tirek> http://i.imgur.com/HlEgPwt.png
07:51 <Tirek> I started with a super rough sketch.
07:52 <Tirek> I drew horizon lines to help me out, and really blocky, ugly lines to convey meaning to myself, but you can kinda see what I'm going for.
07:52 <Tirek> http://i.imgur.com/kvN3tq1.png
07:52 <Tirek> Then I did flat colors, and very simple shading to block in what I had in mind.
07:53 <Tirek> After that, though, it was a slog of just painting in new details.
07:53 <nyditch> Awesome
07:53 <Tirek> ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS begin with a sketch.
07:54 <ConfusionRift> ^
07:54 <Tirek> I can't emphasize that enough.
07:54 <ConfusionRift> You can't start with a finished product.
07:54 <Tirek> Use guidelines. Only professional artists who've done it for decades can even begin to conceptualize good art without using guidelines.
07:55 * ConfusionRift still uses pencil and paper.
07:55 * nyditch commits the crime of not starting with a sketch all the time
07:55 <Tirek> Don't say I didn't warn you :v
07:55 <nyditch> XD
07:56 * ConfusionRift does so at times, but at least is happy with the finished product.
07:56 <nyditch> Even school essays, I'd skip the outline and just write it. I guess writing I have a better handle on than drawing, though. =P
07:57 <nyditch> Always did pretty cartoony un-shaded stuff
07:58 <nyditch> (because the concept of how to shade has always evaded me)
07:58 <Electron> But how to use guidelines on paper?
07:58 <Tirek> Very lightly.
07:58 <Electron> You can't erase them afterwards.
07:59 <nyditch> I draw lightly with a 0.5mm #2 mechanical pencil
07:59 <Tirek> I haven't drawn seriously on traditional media, so I don't have the answer.
07:59 <nyditch> That erases very easily
08:00 <Tirek> Oh, completely unrelated
08:00 <Tirek> This is the best map screen in the original Legend of Zelda: http://i.imgur.com/PZcU629h.png
08:01 <nyditch> waaaaat
08:01 <Tirek> It just BREAKS hard.
08:01 <nyditch> I never got that to happen
08:01 <Tirek> Its okay, I'm making this up.
08:02 <nyditch> XD
08:02 <nyditch> Played the HECK out of that game
08:02 <Tirek> The program's called Zelda Classic, and its a remake of the Legend of Zelda.
08:02 <Tirek> Except, with more features borrowed from later games.
08:02 <Tirek> And a game editor.
08:02 <nyditch> Ah hah
08:03 <Tirek> http://i.imgur.com/90QdLyth.png
08:03 <Tirek> You could do some cool things in it.
08:03 <nyditch> I only ever played it on original console.... and it's probably been a good 12 years.
08:03 <Tirek> Ah.
08:03 <nyditch> Huh, yeah weird
08:03 <Tirek> Well, I NEVER played it on a console.
08:04 <nyditch> XD
08:04 <nyditch> Still got ti sitting my the closet in a box with all the games.
08:04 <Tirek> I was, like, 4 or 5 years old when we had an NES.
08:04 <ConfusionRift> Same. It was kinda passed my time. Still recognized.
08:05 <Tirek> And the only game I really remember playing on NES was 3D Battles of World Runner.
08:05 <Tirek> I didn't really get into Legend of Zelda until Ocarina of Time.
08:05 <nyditch> Some people call it heresy that I only played the original. =P
08:06 <Tirek> It kinda is.
08:06 <nyditch> Ai dabbled a little with a ROM of Majora's Mask, but not much
08:06 <Tirek> I'm waiting for my tax money.
08:06 <nyditch> to buy an NES?
08:06 <Tirek> Once I got that, I'm probably getting a switch and breath of the wild.
08:07 <Tirek> And a couple of bottles of listorine, nobody likes wild breath.
08:07 <Tirek> Oh, I was also reminded.
08:07 <nyditch> A buddy of mine does funny things with old systems, then does presentations at Awesome Games Done Quick, and helps fund rase lots of money.
08:08 <Tirek> I'm familiar with AGDQ.
08:08 <nyditch> Oh, ever see TASBot?
08:08 <Tirek> I saw TASBot do Brainage.
08:08 <nyditch> Yeah, that was a good one
08:08 <Tirek> I'm slightly upset that, because of the amount of companies that sponcer AGDQ, I'll never see them run AM2R.
08:09 <nyditch> DwangoAC is my buddy that created TASBot
08:09 <Tirek> Ah.
08:09 <nyditch> and works together with a bunch of other people to make his crazy ideas come to life
08:09 <Tirek> Cool.
08:09 <Tirek> Ahahaha.
08:09 <nyditch> Latest thing was emulating Skype
08:10 <nyditch> using an SENS and 2x NES
08:10 <nyditch> Super Nintendo*
08:10 <Tirek> Ha.
08:11 <nyditch> *tried to correct snes* is al caps and got yelled at by the server* XD
08:11 <nyditch> in all caps*
08:11 <nyditch> My typing is dead
08:12 <nyditch> SNES was used to stream video at... I think it was 10 FPS. hen each NES was used for a channel of audio processing
08:13 <Tirek> I'm not really all that interested in in-depth technical stuff about hacking hardware.
08:13 <nyditch> All done via game glitches to overwrite memory on unmodifies systems, using controller button presses at the input
08:13 <Tirek> Its interesting, but that's pretty much all I can say about it.
08:14 <nyditch> Heh, I guess I nerd out a bit about it. Sry. =P
08:14 <Tirek> Its alright.
08:14 <Tirek> I nerd out sometimes regarding sound hardware.
08:14 <Tirek> If there's technical stuff I like, its the sound portion.
08:14 <Tirek> Because I write music.
08:14 <nyditch> Nice
08:14 <Tirek> And like to write music that tries to mimic specific game console hardware.
08:14 <nyditch> I dabble in sound stuff, but I'm more of an editor than producer.
08:15 <Tirek> Heh.
08:15 <nyditch> Better at that than visual art. XD
08:15 <Tirek> Here's a piece of mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYom3aJC09Q
08:15 <nyditch> Nice
08:16 <Tirek> I was going to say "specifically the Genesis/Megadrive", but I think it would have been redundant to say if I just showed you.
08:16 <Tirek> Even though this is a piece that has 0 hardware accuracy.
08:16 <Tirek> I'm using some weird tricks to make the FM synths more dynamic.
08:16 <nyditch> Psh, whatev's
08:17 <Tirek> Plus, you know, reverb, delay, DAC channel not tied to an FM channel, etc.
08:17 <Tirek> And polyphony, of course.
08:17 <nyditch> I listen to some emulated chiptune stuff that has other stuff added in and figure as long as it goes well, go for it.
08:18 <Tirek> I get really hung up on hardware accuracy.
08:18 <Tirek> It kinda grinds my gears when I see youtube vids of like "[song name] 8-bit remix" and its just a MIDI passed through GXSCC.
08:18 <nyditch> It's not easy to emulate accurately unless youre physically running through the real hardware.
08:18 <Tirek> Right, but you can at least have its limitations in mind.
08:19 <nyditch> Aye
08:19 <Tirek> Like, for instance, most, if not all channels are monophonic.
08:19 <nyditch> Aye
08:19 <Tirek> The Megadrive DID have one specific FM channel that had 4-voice polyphony, incidentally.
08:19 <Tirek> I think that was used primarily for SFX, though.
08:20 <nyditch> 'twas a good system
08:20 <nyditch> Well, at least what I remember of it from when I was little. XD
08:20 <Tirek> There weren't actually a lot of good games for it, to be fair.
08:21 <nyditch> I recall we didn't have many
08:21 <Tirek> And it was technologically inferior to the SNES in terms of processing power.
08:21 <Tirek> And graphics capability.
08:21 <nyditch> Sega did good on it's sound design, though
08:22 <Tirek> Yeah, only SEGA, Konami, and Capcom could actually use the chip to any degree of competency though.
08:22 <Tirek> Unless you like excessive twang.
08:22 <Tirek> Oh, Treasure, too, I guess.
08:23 <Tirek> If there was a song that I made that hung as closely as possible to the hardware limitations of the console, I think this one would be it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVy1UUEBad4
08:23 <Tirek> Of course, I still use that one trick that makes it completely incompatible with the system.
08:23 <Tirek> Modifying the operator volumes on the fly manually, rather than letting the chip emulator do it.
08:24 <nyditch> Your knowledge exceeds mine there by much. I wouldn't know any better. XD
08:25 <nyditch> Neat tracks
08:25 <Tirek> Thankya.
08:25 <Tirek> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agKztmLKtBE
08:26 <Tirek> Here's one where I tried to do an SNES-sounding song.
08:26 <Tirek> Lo-fi samples, and grain.
08:26 <Tirek> And <8 channels.
08:27 <Tirek> I should probably stop there.
08:27 <Tirek> Since 2010, I had written over 200 tracks.
08:27 <nyditch> O_O
08:28 <Tirek> 99% of them are awful, don't let the big number scare you.
08:28 <nyditch> lol, still, that's a lotta practice
08:28 <Tirek> I'm self-taught, so music has always been a rocky trial and error type deal for me.
08:29 <nyditch> I've found my calling music-wise is more in recording, editing, and most of all live sound for events.
08:29 <Tirek> Ah.
08:30 <Tirek> Chiptunes aren't all I write, just my sound library is really rather lacking for anything.
08:30 <Tirek> Eventually, I gotta get some high-q orchestral libraries.
08:31 <nyditch> In the rare case I do make something, it's usually rough, done in a couple hours, loop stuff, pretty simple.
08:31 <Tirek> I use a lot of freeware/abandonware libraries and VST instruments
08:31 <Tirek> My major inspirations for music were often speed composers like virt and coda.
08:31 <nyditch> Not familiar
08:31 <Tirek> So, when I first started doing music, I would try my damnedest to do music as quickly as possible.
08:31 <Tirek> Have you played Shovel Knight?
08:32 <Tirek> Shantae?
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08:32 <nyditch> Nope
08:32 <Tirek> Ah, alrighty.
08:32 <Tirek> virt wrote those soundtracks.
08:32 <Tirek> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sso6B1Gbt1A
08:32 <Tirek> Here's a sample of his work.
08:34 <nyditch> How long does it take him to compose stuff like this?
08:34 <Tirek> I dunno the time on this one.
08:34 <Tirek> But, I do know he's capable of banging out music like this in under two hours.
08:34 <nyditch> Daaaang
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08:35 <Tirek> He's been doing it since the 90s, though, and has been doing music professionally since then.
08:35 <Tirek> Meanwhile, I only started doing music 7 years ago.
08:37 <nyditch> One of my more recent little tunes I spent like 5-6 hours on, not much for FX, lotsa looping, and no real planning.....
08:37 <nyditch> https://soundcloud.com/nyditch/antypical
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08:37 <nyditch> It's noobish, but was fun to do
08:38 <Tirek> Hm.
08:38 <Tirek> Let's see.
08:39 <Tirek> Its a little rough, but not bad.
08:39 <nyditch> Heh, if someone said it wasn't rough, I'd call them a liar
08:43 <Tirek> I'm also not entirely sure of the style you're going for.
08:43 <nyditch> Neither am I
08:43 <Tirek> Nor am I convinced that I'd be capable of replicating said style.
08:43 <Tirek> So, I always have an appreciation for the kinds of music I know I can't do.
08:44 <Tirek> Even if, by standards set by other pieces in the same genre, its bad.
08:44 <nyditch> It usually goes that I just start poking buttons and picking sounds and occasionally something starts forming out of it.
08:44 <Tirek> That's how it works for me too.
08:45 <nyditch> It's like drawing a line, then ya try adding another line, and maybe you don't come up with anything. Then you draw a different line, then add another, and another, then all of a sudden an image starts to form from the shapes.
08:45 <nyditch> Then ya just see where it is already going and add onto it accordingly
08:46 <nyditch> The mind is a funny thing like that
08:46 <Tirek> Yep.
08:47 <Tirek> Anyway, I should consider sleeping.
08:47 <nyditch> Same
08:47 <nyditch> Almost 2am. Gotta be up at 6.
08:47 <nyditch> #NoSleepTillBrooklyn
08:48 <nyditch> G'night then
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08:52 <Electron> G'night.
08:52 <Electron> Is that new pone?
08:53 * Ali ponyshrugs to Electron
08:53 * Electron blinks at Ali rapidly
08:53 * Ali boops the Electron!
08:53 <Electron> :O
08:54 <Electron> Don't crack my glasses!
08:54 * Electron nosewiggles at Ali
08:54 <Ali> I'm just usualy quiet but around.
08:55 <Tirek> Oh, yeah, I wanted to mention
08:55 <Tirek> The newest episode of Samurai Jack was great.
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08:56 <Tirek> If you didn't watch it, you really should.
08:59 <Ali> You mean it finally got around to airing.
09:03 <Tirek> On the 11th.
09:03 <Tirek> And another episode is coming on this saturday, too.
09:03 <Tirek> I won't spoil anything, because I wouldn't want it spoiled for me.
09:03 <Tirek> But the writers haven't lost their touch.
09:11 <ConfusionRift> Well, done looking for my stuff.
09:11 <Tirek> Heh.
09:11 <Tirek> I changed my mind. We're getting snow, and a lot of it.
09:11 <Tirek> So I'm going to stay awake today and shovel some of it in an hour.
09:12 <Electron> Drain all its enegry.
09:12 <Tirek> And then probably shovel more a few hours after that.
09:12 <Electron> Empower yourself.
09:12 <Tirek> Drain all my energy, you mean.
09:12 <Electron> No, you get it all wrong.
09:24 * Schism catches one of the legendary fish! o3o
10:11 <Tirek> Shoveled some of the sidewalk.
10:11 <Tirek> Car is still buried.
10:11 <Tirek> My lungs are on fire.
10:20 <Finwe> o3o
10:20 <Finwe> Good afternoon, everypony.
10:20 * Finwe returns from a refreshing spinach soup lunch.
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10:34 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
10:34 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift.
10:34 <Finwe> o7
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11:19 <Lumindia> jwerioj!
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12:05 <Cepheid> Why is it snowing?
12:05 <Cepheid> And why is the wifi terrible today?
12:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Twilight Sparkle Themed Starcraft Custom PC Build [ http://tinyurl.com/h3ly23x ]
12:06 <Fruitnibbler> Cepheid, have you tried haskell?
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12:08 <Cepheid> That's your answer for everything. "I need to solve a problem." "Have you tried haskell?" "I'm pregnant." "Have you tried haskell?" "I suffered a horrible concussion and need immediate medical attention." "Have you tried haskell?"
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12:12 <Fruitnibbler> That was weird
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12:17 <Cepheid> I blame haskell.
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12:34 <Cepheid> By the way, could the United States please stop testing their weather-control machines on Canada?
12:34 <Cepheid> We kind of need Spring to start at some point.
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12:44 <DataByte> Thelema!
12:44 <DataByte> Good morning
12:50 <Cepheid> There is one thing that bothers me about my Introduction to CS tutorials.
12:50 <DataByte> Only one?
12:50 <Cepheid> Yellow squigglies everywhere. EVERYWHERE. In a professor's code.
12:50 <DataByte> heh
12:50 <Cepheid> The prof doesn't entirely understand the difference between class and instance methods.
12:51 <Cepheid> He calls class methods on an instance(anInstance.classMethod()). He also doesn't implement Comparable properly.
12:53 <DataByte> I had a similar issue with one of my profs in college. I knew more about the language starting than he did, and he occasionally took off marks when I did something he didin't understand
12:53 <DataByte> I tried to apply for his job when he retired, but apparently knowing the subject isn't enough to teach - you need a bachelor's degree in something, first
12:54 <DataByte> a degree only proves that you have patience and money (or debt)
12:54 <DataByte> :/
12:54 <Cepheid> Fortunately, my professors are lazy. They assign all the work to the TAs.
12:54 <Cepheid> DataByte: Welcome to my world.
12:54 <Cepheid> Most employers won't hire me because I lack a bachelor's degree.
12:55 <Cepheid> What makes this worse is that as of late, he's changed his assignments around.
12:55 <Cepheid> He provides code to us, and unlike previous assignments, he's asking us to not change the provided code in any way.
12:55 <Cepheid> So I have to put up with his atrocious choices, mistakes, etc.
12:55 <DataByte> I wouldn't put up with that - part of why I didn't ace that class
12:55 <DataByte> I didn't care
12:56 <DataByte> I was going to do it right
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12:56 <Cepheid> I'm putting up with it because I haven't got a choice. Me and the professor aren't on the best of terms right now.
12:57 <Cepheid> He doesn't like how I handle tutorials.
12:57 <Cepheid> I complete the tutorial work before the actual tutorial. I just walk in, sign in, demonstrate the work, and leave.
12:57 <Cepheid> He doesn't like that. He wants me to sit in the room and do the tutorial there.
12:58 <DataByte> One of those points was a calculator project - he went on and on about how splash screens make a program look more professional and how you should always ask if the user meant to press the exit and actually want to close the program
12:58 <DataByte> It's a ********* calculator for goodness' sake!
12:58 <Cepheid> While those are valid points, on a calculator program that's a bit excessive.
12:59 <Cepheid> The reason I disregard the professor's preference for how I do things is mostly because even as an expert, the tutorials take far longer than the one hour required to complete.
12:59 <Cepheid> I guarantee 70% of the students won't finish it today.
12:59 <DataByte> I got an F, not because I did a poor job - I had the best-functioning project - but because I didn't bore the user with a 5-second splash screen and a "Are you sure you want to exit?"
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13:01 <Cepheid> I'd have complained to the program administrator.
13:01 <DataByte> I argued it, he raised my grade a touch, and I designed an animated 10-second splash for every assignment afterwards - encapsulated in a dll, so he wouldn't be able to view the source
13:01 <DataByte> he never mentioned it again, heh
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13:01 <Cepheid> Fortunately for me, again, TAs grade the assignments and tutorials. Not the professor. As it is, I'm getting perfect or near-perfect marks. Most of the marks lost have been because I missed one small detail in documentation.
13:01 <Cepheid> I'm pretty much set for an A+ at a 98% final mark.
13:02 <Cepheid> The hardest thing in this course has been the midterm exam, and that's because the professor's written English is worse than a 3-year-old's spoken English.
13:02 <DataByte> To stick to my morals in your situation, I'd comment out his code, write in your own (the correct way), then add comments detailing why that's the correct way to do it
13:03 <Cepheid> And even then, I still got 19.48 out of 20 on the midterm. I didn't even study for it or practice.
13:03 <DataByte> not bad :)
13:04 <Cepheid> The only reason I have to take this course is because A) It's apparently mandatory, regardless of transcripts from previous institutions, and B) I can't do the challenge credit exam.
13:04 <Cepheid> The challenge credit exam has this stupid rule that makes it a waste of time and money(It costs money to take the exam, on top of what you paid for the course.).
13:05 <DataByte> :/
13:05 <DataByte> Oh, by the way Cepheid: HAPPY PI DAY!
13:05 <Pi> o3o
13:05 <Cepheid> Essentially, if I haven't got any real-world experience in the material(Read: I haven't written Java code for some employer), they're not entitled to give me the credit, even if I get a perfect mark on the challenge credit exam.
13:05 <Cepheid> So as it is, if I did the exam, I'd not get that credit. Even if I got a perfect 100% on it.
13:06 <Cepheid> DataByte: It's not Pi Day. It's 14/03/2017.
13:06 <DataByte> I have written Java code for an "Employer" - just not a registered business
13:06 <DataByte> Cepheid: silly, it's 2017-03-14
13:06 <Cepheid> Though it works if you're one of those people insists on using the ISO format, which is 2017/03/14
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13:07 <DataByte> Hi wob... bye wobniaR
13:10 <Cepheid> There is no way that these students are anywhere near completion of the lecture material of this course.
13:10 <Cepheid> THe professor we have is so unbelievably slow at teaching the material, that just going through chapter 8 alone would take him almost five weeks.
13:11 <DataByte> Any chance you could share the assignment? I'm curious to have a look
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13:12 <Cepheid> Unfortunately it's behind a login wall. I'd have to upload it somewhere, plus the material is covered by copyright anyways.
13:12 <Cepheid> Oh, wait. There is a way you can access the ASSIGNMENT PDFs, though.
13:13 <Cepheid> http://people.scs.carleton.ca/~lanthier/teaching/COMP1406/ This is the real professor's website. Contains all the PDFs for each assignment, including additional files. Not the professor I have though. Instead I have this new professor who can't speak very quickly, and isn't fluent in written English.
13:14 <Cepheid> https://drupal.scs.carleton.ca/content/comp1406tutorials Actually, if you can access this, you can also get the tutorial stuff. I'm doing Tutorial 9.
13:14 <DataByte> Yep - publicly accessible
13:15 <DataByte> Objectives #1: To understand the differences between Arrays and ArrayLists. *facepalm*
13:15 <Cepheid> Very well then, I guess it's not covered under the copyright.
13:15 <Cepheid> Yeah.
13:15 <Cepheid> We've only just reached that point now.
13:15 <Cepheid> Final exams are next month.
13:15 <DataByte> That should be as soon as you cover Objects, not as you finish the course!
13:17 <DataByte> also, explicit type parameters were deprecated in Java 7
13:18 <Cepheid> Really?
13:19 <DataByte> "numbers = new ArrayList<Integer>()" was replaced with "numbers = new ArrayList<>()"
13:19 <Cepheid> Huh.
13:19 <Cepheid> I've been stuck in 1.6 mode, for the most part.
13:19 <Cepheid> So yeah, writing 1.6 code in 1.8 JDK/JRE.
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13:26 <DataByte> Also, by this point in the class, I'd hope that the difference between a data object and an object would have been explained.
13:27 <Cepheid> Wouldn't know. I haven't attended the lectures since like, the third week.
13:27 <DataByte> The DVD class is DATA! There's NO REASON for it to be an object with "getTitle" and "setTitle" etc. if there's NO VALIDATION. It's DATA!
13:28 <Cepheid> Validation? What's that?
13:28 <DataByte> Just dereference the data directly instead of bothering the callstack
13:29 <Cepheid> I actually got criticized by a TA for validating information and using exception handling for an early assignment.
13:29 <DataByte> What.
13:29 <Cepheid> Because I couldn't stand the idea of code that would just blindly accept whatever value was passed to it.
13:30 <DataByte> But.. that's programming 101. NEVER trust input.
13:30 <Cepheid> There's actually a bug or two in some of his provided code, for the record.
13:30 <DataByte> except on private methods, of course
13:31 <Cepheid> In one of the previous assignments, he used Math.max() where he meant to use Math.min(). For allocating the size of an array.
13:31 <DataByte> That's an easy mistake to make, tbh
13:31 <DataByte> But to blindly publish it without testing..
13:32 <Cepheid> He was comparing against a constant expression. Essentially it wasted memory.
13:32 <Cepheid> I mean sure, it ensured a minimum size for the array, but if the rest of the methods compare against that constant..
13:32 <DataByte> Probably a good thing he doesn't teach embedded systems.
13:33 <Cepheid> Then there's no point. You can't access elements above that constant, and while you have enough elements *BELOW* that constant to handle an overflow case..
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13:37 <DataByte> Of note: I find it amusing that not only is the website coded using drupal, but even the subdomain is "drupal"
13:42 <Cepheid> Heh.
13:42 <Cepheid> ITS is broken.
13:42 <Cepheid> Near the end of last year, they installed ransomware onto the network.
13:43 * DataByte 's head rests into the well-worn dent in his desk while moaning "WHY?!" to nopony in particular
13:46 <Fruitnibbler> How do you do that?
13:46 <Fruitnibbler> Shouldn't there be recovery copy on the network?
13:47 <Fruitnibbler> Bosch was hit with ransomware in their branche last year (I know a girl who works there)
13:48 <Fruitnibbler> They just did a recovery and el-presto
13:48 <Fruitnibbler> Only a few works-in-progress were lost
13:50 <Cepheid> Fruitnibbler: No idea. Ask ITS.
13:51 <Cepheid> I just know that it hit a lot of computers on the network, professor's laptops included.
13:51 <Cepheid> Aaaand tutorial is done.
13:51 <Cepheid> Now I just need to wait for the tutorial period to begin, go in, sign in, demonstrate and then sign out.
13:53 <Cepheid> I guess I'll eat in the interim.
13:53 <DataByte> I used to bring a box of cookies to class to munch on every day
13:53 <DataByte> :>
13:54 <DataByte> Occasionally would be asked how I'm not fat xD
13:54 <Cepheid> Simple answer: You likely have high metabolism or exercise more than the average person. :P
13:56 <DataByte> Secondary answer: The cookies were 1/3 of my daily caloric intake of about 1500-2000 total xD
13:56 <Cepheid> Ah.
13:57 <Cepheid> In my case I'm just eating carrots and mushrooms with hummus. Mushrooms were a bit stale though.
14:02 <Cepheid> A student is asking how to compile a header file using GCC in the lab room.
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14:06 <DARK> hello
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14:07 <Cepheid> "Can you redo and undo?" *Demonstrates* "Oh, wow. Okay then, you're done."
14:09 <Cepheid> Anyways I'm gonna wander off and get a breakfast from the local pub or something. My packed lunch was insufficient.
14:09 <Cepheid> Be back in half an hour or so.
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14:37 <Silver_Storm> Heya everypony!!
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14:38 <DataByte> Heya!
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14:40 <zombieslayer15> yo peoples
14:41 <Fn> Yo pepe
14:42 <Silver_Storm> Heya
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14:43 * Cepheid flops.
14:43 <zombieslayer15> what's up?
14:43 <DataByte> Cloudy Skies
14:43 <Silver_Storm> Nothin' much, just school.
14:43 <Silver_Storm> And Rainbow Dash
14:44 <zombieslayer15> k... XD
14:47 <Silver_Storm> You?
14:47 <zombieslayer15> i'm a bit worried but nvm
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14:50 <nightowl> hoot hoot!
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14:51 <Braixen> hi ^^
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14:52 <zombieslayer15> yo\
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14:53 <Silver_Storm> Nope, don't like it.
14:53 <zombieslayer15> lol
14:53 <zombieslayer15> why is lel censored?
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14:57 <DataByte> Because most older ponies don't find it amusing
14:58 * Finwe is not amused.
14:58 <zombieslayer15> XD
14:58 <zombieslayer15> wut's wrong with it it's just another word for lol
14:59 <DataByte> lol is an acronym, not a word.
15:00 <Silver_Storm> "Abbreviation"
15:00 <zombieslayer15> k nvm... :P
15:00 <Silver_Storm> I don't know i'm just watching
15:01 <Silver_Storm> :L
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15:05 * Cepheid falls asleep.
15:08 * Silver_Storm Travels to Equestria
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15:17 <Finwe> Lt Nossy|School.
15:17 <Finwe> o7
15:17 <Nossy|School> Radm. Finwe. (Salutes.)
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15:17 * Finwe noms on VinylScratch.
15:18 <Finwe> o3o
15:32 * VinylScratch wubs at Finwe
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15:52 <Fn> I am surprised there are no speech-to-IPA software yet
16:03 <Silver_Storm> I'm not a know-all-about-tech kinda' guy, so please explain.
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16:39 <Librarian> morning
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17:17 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: EM120X & SDreamExplorerS - Cancel The Spell [Trancecore] [ http://tinyurl.com/zqrukk2 ]
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17:36 * Finwe ruffles Filly_Nightmares.
17:36 * Filly_Nightmares kneads Finwe's eye.
17:36 <Finwe> o3o
17:37 * Filly_Nightmares kneads wuv into Finwe.
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17:54 <Librarian> its vewy vewy quiet
17:54 * Librarian looks for wabbits
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18:05 <DARK> hello ;)
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18:07 * CleverDerpy is a wabbit
18:07 <CleverDerpy> imma cute little buwneh~
18:08 * CleverDerpy is wearing a bunny outfit and hopping around
18:08 <Braixen> hi mommy
18:08 * Braixen hugs CleverDerpy :D
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18:09 <CleverDerpy> hiya Braixen muffin~
18:09 <Braixen> :D
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18:10 <Moonlightning> Librarian: https://static1.e621.net/data/e0/4d/--
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18:10 <Moonlightning> ...wait, this is Daily.
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18:11 <CleverDerpy> it happens Moonlightning, don't fret
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18:13 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
18:13 <Librarian> hello
18:13 <Electron> Hello.
18:14 <Thelema5> I have a snow day... a late winter storm dropped more than 2 feet of snow overnight
18:14 <Librarian> sounds fun
18:15 <Thelema5> It's over my knees. I feel bad that I can't help shovel out the driveway through, my SO and our daughter are doing it alone
18:16 <CleverDerpy> hiye everypony
18:16 <Librarian> owo
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18:16 <Thelema5> It's extremely hard work to shovel out from 2 feet of snow
18:16 <Librarian> derpster!
18:16 <Thelema5> Hiya, CleverDerpy!
18:16 <CleverDerpy> yay~
18:16 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Brony Problems: News Media [ http://tinyurl.com/hqqwc8m ]
18:16 <CleverDerpy> I've been gone for awhile
18:16 <Thelema5> I know! We miiiiiised you
18:17 <Thelema5> ^ /// ^
18:17 * CleverDerpy licks Thelema5's cheek
18:17 <Thelema5> Hello, acanthus. Welcome!
18:17 <CleverDerpy> been playing zelda
18:17 <CleverDerpy> it's sooooo big!
18:17 <Electron> Howdy!
18:17 <Librarian> tis amazing right
18:17 <Thelema5> Aah, I've heard it's a masterpiece.
18:17 <CleverDerpy> yus, I got the switch too
18:17 <Starlight_Glimmer> We may have killed your muffin stash
18:17 <CleverDerpy> god, it's soooo small!
18:17 <Librarian> im playing on ma wiiu
18:17 <CleverDerpy> awww
18:18 <CleverDerpy> that's oki, we can make more~
18:18 <Librarian> im currently hunting shrines to get the master sword
18:18 <Librarian> important stuff
18:18 <CleverDerpy> I beat the game, half a week ago
18:18 <Librarian> all of it?
18:18 <CleverDerpy> now I am just cleaning house
18:19 <Librarian> amazing
18:19 <Starlight_Glimmer> I wonder how the WiiU version compares performance wise considering the Switch isn't great in that aspect
18:19 <CleverDerpy> i got about 25% of all shrines, all da memories, all da faries, the master sword, the 4 divine beasts
18:19 <Librarian> so far its been great
18:19 <Librarian> without a guide?
18:20 <CleverDerpy> mhm, Derpy is quite clever
18:20 * Librarian is awed
18:20 <Librarian> i only have two beasts down
18:20 <CleverDerpy> they do get tough though
18:20 <CleverDerpy> those srhines
18:20 <CleverDerpy> i mean, i am done with the game and i only have 25%
18:21 <CleverDerpy> that should tell ya somethin
18:21 <Librarian> yes
18:22 <CleverDerpy> how are you fairing on horses?
18:22 <Librarian> dont use them much
18:22 <Librarian> i like walking
18:22 <CleverDerpy> me either, but when i am in a ground or flats hurry
18:22 <CleverDerpy> they do come in handy
18:23 <CleverDerpy> librarian, wanna learn a trick to breaking metal damaged boxes?
18:23 <Librarian> yep
18:23 <CleverDerpy> use magnesis to pick them up as high as you can and drop em
18:23 <CleverDerpy> works about 90% of the time
18:23 <CleverDerpy> saves you a ton of weapons
18:24 <Librarian> i used magenesis once to kill a moblin camp
18:24 <CleverDerpy> for best results, drop them on wooden boxes to get a combo of breakage
18:24 <Librarian> it was so funny
18:24 <CleverDerpy> i know right~?
18:24 <CleverDerpy> wait, the short ones or the giants
18:25 <Librarian> giants
18:26 <Librarian> the small one are mokoblins
18:26 <CleverDerpy> here they are called boboklins
18:30 * Electron ate fresh garlic
18:32 <Electron> Stay away from me! I'm dangerous!
18:32 <Thelema5> Oh my gosh! Doctor Who is returning on April 15th!
18:32 * Electron starts to chew a bubble gum
18:32 <Thelema5> !link https://youtu.be/WYhIqjuxVKE
18:33 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
18:33 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about OFFICIAL TRAILER | Doctor Who Season 10 | Saturday April 15 @ 9/8c
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18:34 <Finwe> Lt CleverDerpy!
18:34 <Finwe> o7
18:34 <CleverDerpy> RAdm. Finwe
18:34 * Finwe hugs a CleverDerpy.
18:34 * CleverDerpy salutes
18:34 * CleverDerpy purrs
18:35 <Finwe> I'm going on a state visit next weekend, Lt, so you will be in charge of the Navy's strategic operations.
18:37 * Finwe adds CleverDerpy's name onto the duty roster.
18:38 <CleverDerpy> yay~
18:38 <Braixen> duty roster?
18:39 <CleverDerpy> well, i need some pointers, sir
18:39 <Braixen> im confused....
18:39 * Finwe gives his laser pointer to CleverDerpy.
18:39 <CleverDerpy> that works~
18:39 * Braixen heads tilts* whats going on?
18:39 <Braixen> an dhi Finwe
18:40 <CleverDerpy> we are in da navy
18:40 <Finwe> Dhi?
18:40 <Finwe> What's an dhi?
18:40 <Braixen> i mean hi
18:40 <Finwe> o3o
18:40 <Finwe> I see.
18:40 <Braixen> also im just a magic fox
18:40 * Finwe hugs a Braixen.
18:40 <Braixen> maybe a navy needs magic eep *hugs Finwe * ^^
18:40 * CleverDerpy plays with the lazer trying to catch it
18:40 <CleverDerpy> that thing is fast
18:41 <Finwe> It is.
18:41 <Finwe> 299792.458 kilometres per second.
18:41 <CleverDerpy> that's way faster than rainbow dash
18:42 <CleverDerpy> it must be a speed demon
18:42 * Braixen head tilts
18:42 <CleverDerpy> Derpy will weild this lazer with pride, sir!
18:42 * Braixen sumons her fire staff*
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18:53 <Finwe> *wield
18:53 <Braixen> like my staff~?
18:54 <Finwe> Does it have the power gem attached?
18:54 <Braixen> its more of fire magic *a rune floats* i carry runes of fire eletricity ice and such to power my weapons
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18:56 * Librarian checks the staff
18:56 <Librarian> yep
18:56 <Librarian> made in japan, but runes alright
18:56 <Braixen> h-hey hey this was made by my fire >.<
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18:57 <Librarian> you are made in japan
18:57 <Librarian> chechk your ear
18:57 <Librarian> it has a nintendo seal of quality
18:57 <Librarian> XD
18:59 <Braixen> ... *steams a bit*
18:59 <Tirek> Your staff is lame.
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18:59 <Tirek> Fire all of them, and hire a new management team.
19:00 <Braixen> you was beaten by a pony Tirek
19:00 <Braixen> your talken to a magic fox...
19:00 <Tirek> My defeat is irrelevant to the matter at hand and does not disqualify my opinion on the matter.
19:00 <Braixen> right... yet you still talk tough... yet you was choped down to size...
19:00 <Tirek> Magic you say?
19:00 * Librarian checks tirek
19:01 * Braixen rolls eyes* yes magic...
19:01 <Tirek> Don't mind if I do.
19:01 <Librarian> he has an evil warlord seal of quality
19:01 * Braixen winks* yea... good luck trying
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19:01 <Librarian> tis an excllent question, do pokemon qualify as magic?
19:02 <Braixen> im more of a vixen *snaps her fingers as two dark shadow dragons apear*
19:02 <Tirek> I think the current prevaling theory is that pokemon were mutated via nuclear fallout.
19:02 <Braixen> oi? really
19:02 <Tirek> Yep.
19:02 <Braixen> thats down grade towards my end...
19:02 <Tirek> Or maybe that's just one of those Matpat tier clickbate theories.
19:03 <Braixen> you watch to many game theorys
19:03 <Tirek> I stopped watching him.
19:03 <Librarian> thta would mean biological effects taht look like magic
19:03 <Tirek> He was never good.
19:03 * Braixen vanishs on a roof* " hmmm be as it may..."
19:04 <Librarian> i like him, he is somewhat far fetched, but his livestreams are fun
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19:04 <Tirek> I mean, as a PERSON I'm sure he's fine.
19:04 <Braixen> ... *roles eyes* he is ok... i just didnt like the pokemon theory
19:04 <Tirek> Same with literally everybody who does youtube, but if I don't like their show - which is probably the only reason I'd ever even know they existed - then I'm not really invested in getting to know them as people.
19:05 <Braixen> ... *blinks* we pokemon have trainers.. fun fact I have no trainer
19:05 <Braixen> then again i roam with humans
19:05 <Librarian> i thought he was arrogant, but once you see a bit behind the scnes he is just silly
19:06 <Braixen> indeed
19:06 <Braixen> GTlive is cool
19:06 <Librarian> im a flying book with an afro owo
19:06 <Braixen> .... a magic fox and down graded centaur
19:08 <Librarian> thelema5 is a team of bearcubs on a chair
19:08 * Filly_Nightmares kneads Tirek.
19:09 * Braixen vanishs her dragons* by the way you couldnt handle my magic Tirek....
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19:09 <TeutonicPlague> My name is Cleveland Brown and I am proud to be
19:09 <TeutonicPlague> right back in my hometown with my new family.
19:09 <TeutonicPlague> There's old friends and new friends and even a bear.
19:09 <TeutonicPlague> Through good times and bad times it's true love we share.
19:09 <TeutonicPlague> And so I found a place
19:09 <TeutonicPlague> Where everyone will know
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19:09 <Braixen> um
19:09 <RazorSharpFang> Spambot
19:10 <Braixen> wow....
19:12 <Crimson_Tail> Not the only network.
19:12 <Crimson_Tail> He's targeting ponychat too.
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19:16 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Episode 3 of Season 7's Air Date Appears! [ http://tinyurl.com/gnxdur2 ]
19:16 <Twilight`Sparkle> !log
19:16 <Unixkitty> https://unixkitty.com/logs/EquestriaDaily/latest.log.html
19:17 <Twilight`Sparkle> huh.
19:17 <Twilight`Sparkle> That show's not even that good.
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20:21 <Pony|1649> Hi
20:21 * Schism yawns.
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20:22 <Pony|1649> Does anybody know about Visual C++?
20:22 <Pony|1649> This message comes up
20:22 <Pony|1649> "MSVCP120.dll is missing'
20:22 <Pony|1649> I dont know how to fix it :(
20:23 <Schism> Ah, that means that you need to install the VC++ Redistributables.
20:23 <Schism> https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/2977003/the-latest-supported-visual-c-downloads
20:25 <Twilight`Sparkle> What he said.
20:25 <Twilight`Sparkle> the Visual C++ installations can get wonky sometimes, I've had them supposedly complete, but then things fail.
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20:30 * Schism yawwwns, and hats on Filly_Nightmares, in tinybug form.
20:42 <CleverDerpy> sounds like, based on the name alone you are running a game or some kind of emulation
20:42 <CleverDerpy> aw, they left
20:42 <CleverDerpy> 15 minutes ago...
20:46 * Filly_Nightmares kneads Schism
20:47 <CleverDerpy> awww, das cute
20:47 <Finwe> o3o
20:47 <Finwe> Mr Schism.
20:48 * Finwe doffs his hat.
20:49 <Schism> rAdm. Finwe.
20:49 * Schism doffs his Star Starfish.
20:53 * VinylScratch boops a CleverDerpy! ;3
20:54 * CleverDerpy scrunchymuzzles and hugs
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20:55 <kitten_7877> hi
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20:56 * Electron chews on Filly_Nightmares' floof preemptively
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20:59 * Filly_Nightmares turns into a puddle.
20:59 <Electron> !mail Tempo A dark bitter chocolate bar
20:59 <DerpyBot> Thank you for using the.. Uhm..ah..what did you want me to do again? 6_9
20:59 <DerpyBot> I just don't know what went wroooong!
21:00 <Electron> No! D:
21:00 <Electron> Where did it go?
21:04 * Schism offers Filly_Nightmares a skeleton! It helps to prevent puddleization.
21:07 <Finwe> Puddlification?
21:07 <Electron> Finwefication.
21:08 <Finwe> Mr Electron.
21:08 * Finwe doffs his hat.
21:09 <Electron> Mister Nerd Alicorn Finwe.
21:09 * Electron doffs his phone
21:09 <Fn> https://xkcd.com/1782/
21:09 * Filly_Nightmares absorps the skeleton!
21:09 * Filly_Nightmares puddle kneads Schism
21:10 <Electron> That's damn right!
21:10 * Schism is nomming down on chicken soup with lotsa sriracha.
21:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: WoodenToaster - Rainbow Factory (Einarx Remix) [Dubstep] [ http://tinyurl.com/hxa8rls ]
21:10 <Electron> There are many cool chats around, but some olds still use IRC.
21:11 * Schism utilizes USENET. o3o
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21:19 <Thelema5> Is USENET even still around?
21:19 <Schism> Yup!
21:20 <Thelema5> I was on usenet when I was 7 or 8 O.o
21:20 <Thelema5> Back in the early 80's
21:20 <Electron> > Usenet has significant cultural importance in the networked world, having given rise to, or popularized, many widely recognized concepts and terms such as "FAQ", "flame", and "spam".
21:21 * Thelema5 used to use dialup on a 386 to access BBS communities as a youngish child
21:21 <Electron> Gosh, so old.
21:21 <Thelema5> yes ( ._.)
21:22 <Electron> I used dial-up too for a while.
21:22 <Electron> Through these cheesy soviet telecommunications.
21:23 <Electron> Welp, they didn't change till now, lel.
21:23 <Thelema5> XD
21:23 <Electron> No one cares.
21:23 <Thelema5> Infrastructure is expensice
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21:23 <Thelema5> *expensive
21:24 <Electron> 95% of budget is being stolen anyway.
21:24 <Electron> And veing transferred to overboard.
21:24 <Electron> *being
21:25 <Thelema5> Seems legit. Not sure how much of the US budget is waylaid, but I'm sure it's significant. I pay 24% - 40% of my income on taxes, but we still have a massive debt
21:26 <Thelema5> case in point, I just got a corporate bonus for $400... the amount which hit my bank account? $215.35
21:26 <Thelema5> Robbed.
21:26 <Electron> Oh dear...
21:26 <OctaveSymphony> Gotta pay for them new jets
21:27 <Thelema5> Yus, because I totally wanted those.
21:27 * Finwe boops Schism with Hearthpone.
21:27 <Finwe> I just got all my priest cards unlocked on the Americas servers.
21:28 <Thelema5> Some people don't realize that many folks earn a "living wage" which is then stripped down by excessive taxes to an unlivable net income
21:29 * Thelema5 just filed his tax returns, and is rather bitter about it
21:29 <OctaveSymphony> Taxes are good, when they go to sensible things
21:29 <Thelema5> I would love to see a system where people can choose where thier tax money goes
21:30 <Electron> Me too!
21:30 <Thelema5> I would channel it all into education and social programs.
21:30 <Thelema5> Maybe a bit into infrastructure
21:31 <Thelema5> That would be an interesting social experiement
21:31 <OctaveSymphony> I love how the medical costs work here, I pay up to about $100 myself, then it's free for a year
21:32 <Finwe> Schism: And I also got the SchisMage refined a bit.
21:33 <Twilight`Sparkle> I know that if Social Security fails to pay out for my parents I'm going to be joining what lawsuits come from that.
21:33 <Twilight`Sparkle> Because if it's not paying out I want my money back.
21:34 * Finwe also boops Filly_Nightmares with Hearthpone.
21:34 <Thelema5> OctaveSymphony, that's awesome
21:34 <Thelema5> Twilight`Sparkle, I want my money back too. I've been paying into the system for 24 years O.o
21:35 <Schism> Finwe: I should play more! o3o And aha. I'll be unlocking some other classes too...
21:35 <Twilight`Sparkle> Then we can be brothers in suit.
21:35 * Thelema5 just wrote a check to his government for $3500, on top of the +/- 100 weekly he already pays
21:36 <Thelema5> Yay freedom
21:36 * Filly_Nightmares nomfs it and puddles around Finwe.
21:36 <Twilight`Sparkle> I'm expecting a return myself, but we'll see.
21:36 * Filly_Nightmares kneads OctaveSymphony
21:36 <Thelema5> I deliberately underpay. Screw them getting an intrest free loan at my expense.
21:36 <Thelema5> *interest
21:36 * Filly_Nightmares puddles on Finwe's head.
21:37 <OctaveSymphony> I overpay my taxes xD
21:37 <Finwe> o3o
21:37 <Thelema5> You could be putting that money to work for yourself, though
21:37 * Finwe is puddled upon.
21:37 <OctaveSymphony> Eh, better than ending up owing the government money
21:38 <Thelema5> Many online saving accounts pay 1.4%, not to mention investments
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21:38 <Twilight`Sparkle> I mostly haven't been in this job and done taxes enough to know what to claim to break even or underpay by a non-exorbitant amount.
21:38 <Finwe> Thelema5: Finnish tax authority pays interest on the extra taxes they've collected.
21:38 <Finwe> Dunno about the IRS, though.
21:38 <Finwe> The Infernal Revenue Service. o3o
21:38 <Twilight`Sparkle> The idea for me would be to not owe more than $500 to fed, state, or city.
21:39 <Twilight`Sparkle> Because I sure as hell don't want to be writing no $3500 check.
21:39 <Thelema5> Finwe, there is no interest paid by the IRS for overpayments
21:39 <Thelema5> Should be, for sure, though
21:40 <Thelema5> Me either, Twilight`Sparkle... but I saved about $40 by holding off the funds in an interest bearing account
21:40 <Twilight`Sparkle> Something to always remember when comparing systems between countries is geography and population.
21:40 <Twilight`Sparkle> Not that it applies to paying interest on the overpayments, that'd be nice.
21:41 <Twilight`Sparkle> But in some cases what works for, say, Finland or Norway would be a nightmare to implement for the US because of the population disparity.
21:41 <Thelema5> Yeah
21:44 <OctaveSymphony> No one in power really wants to change it either though, right
21:45 <Finwe> Thelema5: Do you have to pay interest on underpayments, then?
21:45 <Thelema5> No
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21:46 <Twilight`Sparkle> Which is a bonus and if that changed it would be annoying and suck.
21:46 <Finwe> So basically the system favours those who pay at most the amount they have to.
21:46 <Twilight`Sparkle> Depends somewhat on spending habits, though.
21:46 <Thelema5> Which is why it makes sense to underpay and funnel the "taxes" into an interest bearing account until tax season
21:46 <Twilight`Sparkle> Some people overpay because otherwise they would completely fail to actually have enough money.
21:47 <Twilight`Sparkle> And that's a financial habits issue that, well, they have to deal with.
21:49 <Thelema5> For this reason, I have 15% of my paycheck routed to a devoted high-interest online savings account which pays 1.2% interest; then I pay my taxes at the end of the year from this account, and the leftover balance is my reward
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21:51 <Thelema5> Have I mentioned that I really hate paying taxes? XD
21:51 <OctaveSymphony> I saved over $100 a year in taxes by exiting the swedish church
21:51 <Thelema5> Good choice. Every little bit helps.
21:52 <Twilight`Sparkle> I'm not a fan myself, but then I do like driving on roads.
21:52 <Thelema5> I would be happy with a usage tax
21:53 <OctaveSymphony> Social justice in lagom amount!
21:53 <Thelema5> I drive on roads for exactly 9.2 miles every day, and could easily manage the couple of cents that equals
21:53 <Twilight`Sparkle> How would you implement it?
21:53 <Thelema5> No idea. I'm an uneducated hick, not a social scientist.
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21:54 <Twilight`Sparkle> A usage tax might wind up stupidly inflated due to the cost of enforcement, is my thinking.
21:54 <Twilight`Sparkle> You'd need a system to track usage, for one thing.
21:54 <Twilight`Sparkle> A system to hunt mis-reporters and abusers...
21:54 <OctaveSymphony> I wish that our government would re nationalise several services again...
21:54 <Twilight`Sparkle> etc. etc. etc.
21:54 <Thelema5> Perhaps. But "pay as you play" is pretty straightfoward.
21:55 <OctaveSymphony> So much went to crap with privatization
21:55 <Twilight`Sparkle> Sure.. buuuut, how do you track the play?
21:55 <Thelema5> Robots? Ah ha h ha
21:55 <Twilight`Sparkle> So now we gotta pay for the robots.
21:55 * Thelema5 is totally joking
21:55 <Twilight`Sparkle> I know.
21:55 <Twilight`Sparkle> I'm just demonstrating the problem.
21:56 <Thelema5> I understand the problem. I just want a solution.
21:57 <Thelema5> It's not fair that I pay 25 - 40% of my income to pay for services I never use.
21:57 <Thelema5> That's my concern. Most of that money goes to warmongering.
21:57 <OctaveSymphony> "national security"
21:58 <Thelema5> I'm happy to help out with social programs, but that is such a small percentage of the pie
21:58 <Twilight`Sparkle> Aye, but that winds up being a different bear that's not really solvable with a "usage tax" implementation.
21:58 <Thelema5> I know
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22:01 <Thelema5> In a perfect world, the government wouldn't have any power to tax the population. Private non-for-profits would be the ones lobbying for change (and funds). People would decide for themselves where to spend their hard-earned money
22:01 <Thelema5> *not
22:01 <Twilight`Sparkle> Unfortunately the world is not perfect and I see that breaking down in a huge number of ways.
22:01 <Thelema5> I know. It's very sad.
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22:07 * Thelema5 is thankful for good sameritans
22:08 <Thelema5> Some guy with a plow on his truck just plowed out the front of his driveway for free; this saved about 3 hours of hard manual labor digging through a 5 foot tall snowbank
22:09 <Thelema5> If I had a 4x4 and a plow, I would totally do this
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22:09 <Twilight`Sparkle> We just have a snowblower.
22:10 * Finwe noms on Thelema5's snow.
22:10 * Thelema5 has two shovels
22:10 <Thelema5> Finwe, we got more than two feet of snow today, and I can't shovel due to gout
22:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Community Soapbox #21 - Shy Ponies and Bronies, Character Development, and More! [ http://tinyurl.com/zlwzahr ]
22:11 <Tirek> Guy next door has a snowblower. It was too deep for it to be used.
22:12 <Thelema5> Tirek, how much did you get? We're at about 24" here
22:13 <Tirek> Not quite 2 feet.
22:13 <Tirek> But close enough.
22:13 <Thelema5> Hardcore storm, though
22:13 <Tirek> I cleared out the sidewalk as best I could as a lazy asthmatic good-for-nothing could.
22:13 <Tirek> Its walkable, but incomplete.
22:14 <Tirek> Tomorrow its supposed to snow more.
22:14 <Thelema5> Ugh
22:15 <Finwe> Thelema5: Ooh, I wish we could get that much, too.
22:15 <Finwe> You could go skiing. o3o
22:16 <Thelema5> I honestly don't know what we would have done without the random guy who showed up with a plow. The bank of snow at the end of my driveway was about 5 feet thick because of the road plows
22:16 <Thelema5> Crazy
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22:18 <Thelema5> My So is kinda annoyed that the guy "messed up out lawn", but really? The lawn will grow back and the alternative was being cut off from the world of a few weeks until the snow melted
22:18 <Thelema5> *our
22:20 <Twilight`Sparkle> We got about, eh... four inches that stayed.
22:20 <Librarian> it only ever snowed in this city once in 50 years
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22:21 * Thelema5 moves to mexico city
22:21 <Finwe> Beset by volcanoes and smog.
22:21 <Finwe> o3o
22:22 <SaultSteMarie> was reading about multithreaded singletons at work. while tired
22:22 <SaultSteMarie> misread it as multiheaded shotguns
22:22 <SaultSteMarie> no complaints
22:23 * Filly_Nightmares catches on fire.
22:24 <Starlight_Glimmer> Hot :P
22:24 * Filly_Nightmares is a puddle of fire.
22:26 <Librarian> i got a gameboy advance sp as a self birthday present
22:26 <Librarian> its all scratched up, but works fine
22:27 <Librarian> i can play classic fire emblem owo
22:27 <Finwe> Multithread simpletons.
22:28 <Librarian> finwe , did you know there is a conspiracy theoiry that your countru does not exist
22:28 <Librarian> you are imaginary it seems
22:29 <Moonlightning> #BielefeldConspiracy
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22:30 <Starlight_Glimmer> Finnland is secretly occupied by the nazis
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22:32 <Librarian> mexico doesnt exist, its all an hologram
22:32 <Librarian> and thelema is a team of bearcubs owo
22:32 <Finwe> Librarian: I believe that it's Belgium that's the great lie.
22:33 <Starlight_Glimmer> I've had french fires there. Pretty sure it exists
22:33 <Finwe> Just read the article on zapatopi.net.
22:33 <Starlight_Glimmer> We also regularly cross the border to buy coffee
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22:33 <Finwe> French fires?
22:33 <Filly_Nightmares> Librarian, I still have my own Blue Gameboy Advanced SP.
22:33 <Starlight_Glimmer> fries
22:33 <Filly_Nightmares> Charger, battery still works, and I have all my games.
22:34 <Finwe> The ones in which you roast the Maiden of Orleans+
22:34 * Filly_Nightmares puddles around Starlight_Glimmer
22:34 <Finwe> s/+/\?/
22:34 <Schism> Also, Bielefeld, Germany doesn't exist.
22:35 <Starlight_Glimmer> And I always thought it's Bielefeld, Canada
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22:43 * Filly_Nightmares eats it and scarfs on Schism
22:43 * Schism notes it's all snowy out there...
22:54 * Filly_Nightmares licks up all the snow.
23:02 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Art Gallery) #2198 [ Error ]
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23:18 <Librarian> le owo
23:18 <Librarian> i have the impresion my used gameboy sp lacks light
23:18 <Librarian> might be just my impression
23:20 <Schism> Not all of the Gameboy SP models had backlit screens.
23:20 <Schism> The AGS-001 was frontlit, the AGS-101 was backlit.
23:21 <Librarian> ohh
23:21 <Librarian> frontlit would look darker no?
23:22 <Librarian> as long as it works like its supposed to
23:23 <Schism> Yea, the front-lit model would be more difficult to see in many cases.
23:23 <Schism> You can see the model number on the underside of the GBA. o3o
23:23 <Librarian> its ags001
23:25 <Schism> Ah, there you go then.
23:25 <Librarian> i thought i bought a broken one
23:27 <Librarian> is there any way to remove scratches on the case?
23:27 <Librarian> its veryyy scratched
23:28 <Finwe> o3o
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23:31 <Twilight`Sparkle> On the case?
23:31 <Twilight`Sparkle> Not on the screen?
23:31 <Librarian> scrren has small spot, nothing mayor
23:32 <Librarian> the case is very scratched
23:32 <Twilight`Sparkle> I mean you can look into small-scale buffing tools...?
23:32 <Twilight`Sparkle> Cosmetic damage isn't worth it much though.
23:33 <Librarian> ill see if i can borrow some
23:33 <Librarian> i know a lot of handyman
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23:33 <Twilight`Sparkle> but it's scratches in plastic, so. I dunno.
23:34 <Schism> Nonsense, those scratches give the item /character./
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23:37 <Librarian> i have a technical question, how would you go about inserting an emuklation file on a gb game
23:38 <Librarian> to be specific, a game tranlsation
23:38 <Schism> Err. For that you would need a flash cartridge.
23:39 <Librarian> wut?
23:39 <Librarian> is it hard to do?
23:40 <Schism> Not particularly. Could be slightly expensive depending, but shouldn't be.
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23:41 <Librarian> it seems easy
23:44 <Librarian> beats me as where to get one, but seems like a good choice
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23:47 <SaultSteMarie> librarian what are you asking
23:47 <SaultSteMarie> Like, do you have an existing patch that you're patching the game with
23:47 <SaultSteMarie> or are you talking about translating it from scratch
23:48 <Librarian> i have a file
23:48 <SaultSteMarie> is it a .ips file?
23:48 <Librarian> ill get a flash cartridge
23:48 <SaultSteMarie> Librarian what are you trying to do?
23:49 <Finwe> Schism: Wish to test your skills against my priest deck?
23:49 <Librarian> play fire emblem biinding blade
23:49 <Finwe> I just got all the basic cards unlocked.
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23:49 <SaultSteMarie> if you have a translated rom that you want to play on an actual gameboy you'd want to put it on a flash cart or something. If you're talking about patch file that you need to apply to an untranslated rom, you'd need to patch it with LunarIPS or something first
23:50 <SaultSteMarie> (Assuming the patch is an ips. You can get stuff like xdelta and ppf too though I think IPS is most common for GBA games)
23:51 <Librarian> the flash cart is the way to go i think
23:51 <SaultSteMarie> That depends on what you're specifically trying to do
23:51 <SaultSteMarie> If you put an untranslated rom on a flash cart, it's still going to be untranslated :)
23:51 <SaultSteMarie> If you put a translation patch on a flash cart by itself, absolutely nothing will happen for that matter
23:52 <SaultSteMarie> What's the name of the file you have?
23:52 * Schism hums, and returns from the Valley of the Harvest Stardew Moon. "Sure, lemme load it up."
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23:53 <SaultSteMarie> also just check the rom out in an emulator first to make sure it's working?
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23:56 <Librarian> its a rom file, a fan translation of fire emblem the binding blade
23:56 <Librarian> it work, i have it on my cellphone
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