Log archive of EquestriaDaily for Saturday, 2017-03-25

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00:11 <Nicky> hmm? * cuddles*

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00:16 * Cepheid noms a random touhou character.

00:18 <Schism> You know, no matter how much you nom on Mokou's hair, it won't be damaged.

00:18 <Cepheid> I'm probably nomming on like, Ran Yakumo or Flandre Scarlet.

00:19 <Cepheid> Which means I'm either pissing off a goddess-like entity, or an extremely bratty child which can erase my existence.

00:20 <FreezeFrame> Schism: picked up my HRT prescriptions today!

00:20 <Schism> Congrats!

00:21 * Schism hugs the FreezeFrame. :D "Glad that everything's going well there - and tis great that you're finally able to start that!"

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00:26 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Fluttershy plays LoZ: Breath of the Wild [ http://tinyurl.com/l8xpto4 ]

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00:36 <Schism> Oogh, I hate being ill...

00:36 * Schism makes up some pierogi, because they're bland enough.

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00:55 <Librarian> i bought my boss lady tickets for her chldrens favorite show owo

00:55 <Librarian> just because

01:01 <Schism> That was kind of you!

01:02 * Librarian is a nice nice

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01:06 <DARK> hello

01:08 * Cepheid watches a video lecture on Big-Omega, as the professor didn't teach one particular case, which exists on this assignment.

01:11 <Cepheid> I know the definition of it.  It's just calculating it is a bit tricky when one of the terms is subtracted.  For example, f(x) 81x^2 - 90x + 25.

01:12 <Cepheid> Big-O is fortunately easier to calculate, and used much more frequently than Big-Omega.

01:14 <ADragonDreaming> "Cast in the name of God"

01:14 <ADragonDreaming> "Ye not Guilty"

01:15 <Cepheid> Hmm?

01:15 <ADragonDreaming> Big O

01:15 <Tempo> Big O! Shooooow tiiiiiime!

01:15 <ADragonDreaming> Tempo's got it.

01:15 <Cepheid> Not that Big O.

01:16 <Tempo> I loved that show.

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01:16 <Cepheid> This is a notation used to describe the upper bound and lower bound of the performance of an algorithm.

01:16 <Cepheid> Or rather, a function.

01:16 <Cepheid> And it's only a rough "estimate" of these bounds too.

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01:17 <Cepheid> ... Man, that's cheating, prof.

01:18 <Cepheid> x^2 - 3x + 4, find something that's smaller.  So we start with the simple approch.  x^2 - 3x + 4 >= x^2 - 3x^2, which is true.  It results in -2x^2, which is indeed smaller.  But it's not allowed, because the constant is below 0.  The constant has to be greater than 0.

01:19 <Cepheid> So, to fix it?  x^2 + 3x + 4 = 1/2x^2 + 1/2x^2 - 3x + 4.  Then we use associativity to get:  1/2x^2 + (1/2x^2 + 3x + 4).  What's smaller than this?  1/2x^2.

01:20 <Cepheid> And the constant is now greater than 0.

01:20 <Cepheid> c = 1/2, k = 1.  Thus, the lower bound is x^2 when c = 1/2, k = 1.  It's... yeah.

01:21 <ADragonDreaming> I am lacking in the antecedent math review to understand.

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01:21 <ADragonDreaming> Like I think I might have understood back when I was still actually taking math courses.

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01:26 <Cepheid> This is discrete mathematics.

01:26 <Cepheid> This is not your usual mathematics, and it's annoying.

01:27 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Bronystudy Asking for Just A Little More Data [ http://tinyurl.com/mvomwwc ]

01:27 <Cepheid> Basically, the goal of writing Big-O is to take an exsting function, which is a mathematical description of the amount of "time" it takes to perform a single iteration of an algorithm, and reduce it to a single term with no constant in front of it.  The single term is usually the dominating term of the original function.

01:27 <Cepheid> It describes a rough estimate of how long an algorithm will take.

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01:31 <Librarian> sounds awfull

01:31 <Librarian> math eludes me

01:31 <Cepheid> In order of best to worst:  O(1), O(logn), O(n), O(nlogn), O(n^2), O(2^n), O(n!).  Essentially how to read them is "If the algorithm has O(---) runspeed, then for a value of n, it will take roughly at most --- iterations to run."  Where "---" is one of the aformentioned values.  Thus, O(n^2), with n = 5, O(n^2) = 25.  O(n!) = 120.

01:31 <Cepheid> It's an estimate of performance.

01:31 <Cepheid> Usually you want as close to O(1) as possible.

01:32 <Cepheid> And if you write an algorithm that has O(n!), may the gods strike you down.

01:32 <Librarian> ?

01:32 <Librarian> no comprende

01:32 <Cepheid> Basically, n! is factorial.  5! = 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 * 5

01:33 <ADragonDreaming> I'm guessing that O(n!) = computer chokes on its own cpu and catches on fire.

01:33 <Cepheid> More like 'The computer can do it, but it'll take 10^30 or so years.'

01:33 <ADragonDreaming> And then some dillweed invents bitcoins based on it.

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01:34 <Dream_Chaser> Factorials grown faster than the squares.

01:34 <Cepheid> The higher the factorial, the worse it gets.  At a factorial of 10, assuming one iteration per second, you're talking a runtime of 42 days.

01:34 <Cepheid> At factorial 11, it's 462 days.

01:34 <Cepheid> And so on.

01:35 <Cepheid> Not even distributed computing can ever hope to handle a factorial problem.

01:36 <Cepheid> Those attempts at breaking encryptions and such for contest money?  Those are 2^n or so.  And that's better than n!.  And it still takes months and months to win those contests.

01:36 <Librarian> an ai could?

01:36 <Librarian> a really smart one?

01:36 <Cepheid> You don't understand.

01:36 <Cepheid> When n gets large for factorials, like in the 20-30 range..

01:37 <Cepheid> You're talking longer than the expected lifespan of the universe.

01:37 <Librarian> ohh

01:37 <Librarian> what are those numbers for anyway?

01:37 <Librarian> as in practical use

01:38 <ADragonDreaming> The one he's talking about is an estimation of the time required to calculate/execute/resolve an algorithm.

01:38 <Cepheid> More or less.

01:38 <ADragonDreaming> factorials in general are simply a way to represent a number.

01:38 <Librarian> also, i need a cool name for an Anti AI group

01:38 <Librarian> owo

01:38 <Cepheid> The Big-O notation is primarily used to compare performance of algorithms.  Lower big-O, the better.

01:39 <Librarian> sorta like the ludites, but modern

01:39 <Cepheid> Likewise, Big-Omega, is the lower bound.  Lower Big-Omega, the better.  Then you got Big-Theta, which is the average runtime.

01:39 <Cepheid> Point is, lower the value, the better.

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01:42 <ADragonDreaming> Factorials grow huge quickly.

01:42 <ADragonDreaming> For example: 3! = 6

01:43 <ADragonDreaming> 4! = 24. 5! = 120. 6! = 720. 7! = 5040. 8! = 40320. 9! = 362880. 10! = 3628800.

01:43 <Cepheid> Yep.

01:43 <Cepheid> It just gets out of control quickly.

01:44 <Cepheid> And if we assume 1 second per iteration of an algorithm, and our input is n = 10!, then it'll take 3,628,800 seconds to complete the algorithm.

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01:47 <ADragonDreaming> OR 1008 days.

01:47 <Cepheid> Essentially, you want to avoid factorial-level algorithms.  The most common tends to be nlogn.

01:47 <ADragonDreaming> ..wait no, hours.

01:48 <ADragonDreaming> 42 days.

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01:49 <Librarian> math is hard

01:50 <Cepheid> Try proofs.  They're a part of math and even harder.

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01:56 <Starwatcher> hi everypony

01:58 * Cepheid sings along to Drunken Robot Pornography's main theme. o/` They started working in the factories of George Devol, quietly stomping out fridges and the Japanese car, over the decades, designs evolved, to sweeping your floor in a circular avatar. o/`

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02:01 * Schism works on doing the Highland Lord's quest, cleansing the peak of those terrible, terrible ghosts - like fans of Professor What, Galaxy Battles, the Dusk series, Space Tours, and Gary Claybender.

02:02 * SaultSteMarie ponders hooking up the 360 and playing Metal Gear.

02:03 * ADragonDreaming discusses games while buying an arquebus.

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02:06 * FreezeFrame hugs Schism back, had headed out to Chili's for dinner

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02:11 <SaultSteMarie> Got my couch back where it belongs.

02:11 <SaultSteMarie> Guess I could... start putting the rest of my living room back together.

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02:11 <SaultSteMarie> Hook the consoles back up. Rearrange the stuffed animals on the couch. You know, adult things.

02:12 <ADragonDreaming> Sounds like a plan.

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02:25 <Cepheid> Librarian, fix your client.

02:26 * Gladi-Away eats Cepheid

02:26 <Gladi-Away> surprise

02:26 <ADragonDreaming> Better yet, Librarian, stop using a KiwiIRC embed and get a proper client.

02:27 * Cepheid is nommed.

02:27 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1026 [ http://tinyurl.com/mhjulp9 ]

02:28 <Starwatcher> hi hugbat

02:28 <Starwatcher> oh you are away nvm =p

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02:32 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUARZuhOsH0

02:32 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.

02:32 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Castlevania Chronicles OST - 15 You Goddamned Bathead (Arrange Ver.)

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02:43 * Cepheid thinks.

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02:47 <Cepheid> Oh, hey. Lao Shan Lung shows up in MHXX.

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02:48 <Thelema5> Hello everypony

02:48 <Cepheid> Hoi.

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02:51 <Starlight_Glimmer> Hey Thelema5

02:51 * Gladiolus hugs Thelema5

02:53 * Thelema5 squeeks

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02:57 <Starlight_Glimmer> Do you by any chance have experience working with wood Thelema5?

02:59 <Thelema5> Only in the most rudimentary sense.  I used to handmake and sell studded quarterstaves and walking sticks... I've built some shelves... stuff like that.  Nothing requiring much skill.

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03:00 <Starlight_Glimmer> Well it's about oiling and sanding

03:00 <Starlight_Glimmer> I left things with someone for storage and they returned them in awful state

03:01 <Starlight_Glimmer> One of my chairs has bite marks of a dog -.-

03:01 <Starlight_Glimmer> And I don't want to throw that all away

03:01 <Thelema5> Yeesh.

03:02 <Thelema5> Is the wood a natural finish, or has it been stained?

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03:03 <Starlight_Glimmer> I think it hasn't been stained though being colour blind that's hard to tell for me

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03:07 <Thelema5> Huh.  Yeah, I'm not sure what you could do about that.  It's probably got a poly coat on the wood at least; you could try sanding our the damage with a heavy grit sandpaper and try to figure out of the finish color is natural or stained by comparing the newly exposed wood to an undamaged surface.  If they are the same you could just keep sanding until the damage is less noticable and then apply a new coat of poly and see how close you can get to

03:07 <Thelema5> *out

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03:07 <Thelema5> You'd want to move to a finer grit before applying poly, of course, and make sure to remove all dust from the surface with a slightly damp cloth

03:09 <Thelema5> If I'm no expert, though.  You should talk to someone who knows better and who can examine the damage

03:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: Stallionslaughter - Vengeance of Tirek [Metal] [ http://tinyurl.com/k3c75ez ]

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03:11 <Starlight_Glimmer> I'm mad at the state of the stuff

03:11 <Starlight_Glimmer> Thank you though

03:13 <Thelema5> I would be too.  Some people just don't think to take care of other's possessions

03:14 <Starlight_Glimmer> It's family. That's by far not the only thing they damaged

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03:15 <Thelema5> Yuck

03:15 <Starlight_Glimmer> I'm looking at around 3.5k minimum

03:15 <Thelema5> O.o

03:15 <Thelema5> That really sucks

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03:16 <Starlight_Glimmer> Very conservative estimate too

03:16 <Starlight_Glimmer> Should have called a dump truck. Would have been less hassle

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03:18 <DashedRainbows> Good evening ponies

03:18 <Thelema5> Heyo

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03:20 <DashedRainbows> I'm exhausting. I don't think I've ever been up and about so long in a few years...

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03:22 <Thelema5> Why have you been up so long?

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03:33 <Cepheid> Right, time for me to bed.

03:36 <Thelema5> G'night!

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04:25 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Low Effect PMV Compilation #174 [ http://tinyurl.com/kbp7r5g ]

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05:19 <Golden> Good night everyone

05:20 <DashedRainbows> Night

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05:24 <DashedRainbows> I think I'll go to sleep. Laters

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07:13 <Starwatcher> my friends keep telling me to stop doin bad things all the time

07:13 <Starwatcher> what do?

07:14 <ADragonDreaming> Listen and take the advice to heart.

07:14 <Starwatcher> =p

07:18 <Starwatcher> truthfully most of the stuff that gets me in trouble is for a good reason

07:18 <Starwatcher> I was walking back to my house from campus and saw a pond being drained

07:18 <Starwatcher> looking down in it, I saw a lone goldfish

07:19 <Starwatcher> it was gonna die there. what was it doing there anyway?

07:19 <Starwatcher> so I taped garbage bags over my pants and went into the pond to rescue it

07:19 <Starwatcher> the campus cops found me, stopped me and told me to go away

07:19 <Starwatcher> so I waited till they were gone and got the guy

07:19 <Starwatcher> now it has a new home. it's a big fish.

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07:32 * Starwatcher starts lighting small fires everywhere

07:35 <Starwatcher> oh give me a home

07:35 <Starwatcher> where my spikeshell can roam,

07:36 <Starwatcher> and the sun's two inches from the ground

07:40 * ADragonDreaming gives Starwatcher a ticket to the mushroom kingdom

07:42 <Starwatcher> =D

07:42 <Starwatcher> oh my gosh I'm bored

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08:41 <Finwe> o3o

08:41 <Finwe> Mr Starwatcher.

08:41 * Finwe doffs his hat.

08:42 <Finwe> Starwatcher: Uhh, you have campus cops?

08:42 <Finwe> Sounds weird.

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08:45 <Starwatcher> hia!

08:45 <Starwatcher> how are

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08:49 <Finwe> Starwatcher: A bit tired, but otherwise fine.

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08:50 <Finwe> I'm going to an elementary school class meeting tonight.

08:50 <Starwatcher> oh?

08:50 <Finwe> Or class reunion, rather.

08:50 <Derpingaimlessly> Sounds exhilarating

08:51 <Starwatcher> cool!

08:51 * Starwatcher shuffles on his hooves - sorry to leave right away but I'm fallin asleep here

08:51 <Finwe> It's nice to meet the people with whom I went to classes 1 through 6.

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08:52 <Derpingaimlessly> More power to you

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08:53 <Finwe> I haven't met many of them since then.

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08:54 <Finwe> Some were sent to same school with me for classes 7 through 9, and some even went to same high school with me, but I haven't had that much contact to them after I left for university.

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09:39 <LisaSquarePants> heyy :D

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09:47 <Finwe> o3o

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11:17 * Schism yawwwns, and boops the Sleeping_Nightmares with a strawberry creamsicle. Also, waves to all.

11:18 <Tirek> Greeting.

11:18 <Schism> Shorah.

11:18 <Tirek> I'm still practicing calligraphy. I think I figured out how to load the nibs with reservoirs properly.

11:20 <Tirek> I need to get a book on this stuff eventually.

11:20 <Tirek> The small instruction set only comes with instructions to do 3 different fonts. Gothic, Copperplate, and Spencerian.

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11:22 * Schism nodnods, and muses, "Does it qualify as a font if it's hand-written?"

11:25 <Tirek> I'm calling it a font because that's the only compatible term in my dictionary regarding this.

11:26 <Tirek> Ideally, the goal is to make it uniform, even in its handwrittenness.

11:27 <Tirek> I'm pretty much only using the fine, c4, and flex nibs right now. I have 3 larger c nibs, but I don't really have a need to write so large right now.

11:27 <Tirek> But, Gothic is written with a larger nib, C1 or C2.

11:28 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #806 [ http://tinyurl.com/kqn8vmd ]

11:31 * Schism nodnods once again... "I would say a style, but yes. And hmm. So which style are you attempting to work with first?"

11:33 <Tirek> Gothic is really easy to do.

11:33 <Tirek> So that was the first one I practiced.

11:33 <Tirek> I tried my hand at copperplate, but its a lot of flourish.

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11:35 <Tirek> Wait, no, its Spencerian that has a lot of florish.

11:36 <Tirek> Copperplate is cursive, but capitals have a little more flourish.

11:36 <Tirek> Spencerian is like standard cursive, too, but with an exuberant amount of flourish on capitals.

11:37 <Tirek> Copperplate also has varied linewidth, whereas Spencerian does not.

11:37 * Schism takes a look at each, and nods. "Ah, that's the terminology - /script/, not font."

11:38 <Tirek> Ah, alrighty. Script then.

11:38 * Schism looks at examples of all, particularly a note from Platt Rogers Spencer himself.

11:40 * Finwe offers some zander simmered in white wine to Schism.

11:41 * Schism passes for now - isn't all that hungry for fish at this point! Thanks Finwe anyway.

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12:04 <Finwe> Lt The_Nostalgia_Mare!

12:04 <Finwe> o7

12:04 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Radm. Finwe. (Salutes)

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12:08 * Finwe noms on Nossy|GarageSale's inventory.

12:09 <Nossy|GarageSale> They're alittle dusty.

12:12 * Schism brings a vacuum cleaner and a featherduster. Wipes down Nossy's stuff with the pegasus.

12:15 <Nossy|GarageSale> o3o

12:17 <Finwe> Schism: First you'd better stop waving it around like a feather duster.

12:18 <Schism> You fight like a dairy farmer!

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12:18 <Finwe> I am rubber, you're glue...

12:18 <Schism> "The streets'll run red with your blood when I'm through with you!" "I'd have thought yellow would be more your color."

12:21 * Finwe hearthponifies himself.

12:22 * Schism is needin' to clean the apartment, sadly, else would hearthpone.

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12:29 <Nossy|GarageSale> Come here so I can sell you stuff.

12:30 <Tirek> No.

12:30 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Animation: Creative Solution [ http://tinyurl.com/m5xxtsr ]

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13:23 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: We Have a Name for the New MLP Movie Bird - Boyle  [ http://tinyurl.com/lgyzgbs ]

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13:28 <Sour_Sweet> !mail Gladi-Sleep I want pancakes for breakfast

13:28 <DerpyBot> Mail delivered! Thank you for using the Derpy Mail Service 6_9

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13:30 <FruitNibbler> http://imgur.com/FgXHWBt

13:30 <FruitNibbler> I love this one

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14:20 * Schism returns, feeling a bit blue, a do be da do.

14:22 * Schism does, at least, have his $0 worth of insulin and some diet cola.

14:23 * SunsetShimmer has spicy noodles and sun

14:27 * Schism ahs... doesn't have a lot of soda, so it's nice to get some while it's on sale. Also, peers at SunsetShimmer's spicy noodles, offering some beef slices to add thereto.

14:28 <SunsetShimmer> Oooooh, so would

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14:43 <Schism> McDonalds has provided me a coupon book I will never use, via mail.  On the front of said book?  ... the Cadbury Egg McFlurry, an item I will never, ever have.

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14:52 <SunsetShimmer> poor you

14:52 <SunsetShimmer> I love those quite in gusto...when it's warmer that is

14:53 <Schism> Pff, frankly, it's fine, but yea.

15:03 <Sour_Sweet> MLP has killed my McDonald's experience. Whenever I read McFlurry I can't stop thinking about that monster

15:09 <SunsetShimmer> Oh pffft, she's not a monster

15:12 <Schism> I'm absolutely shocked that McDonalds didn't immediately leap onto that with the McFlurry Heart.  I mean, that would be the perfect tie-in.

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15:16 <Schism> (I still rather like the name 'Skyla' for some reason.)

15:16 * Finwe nomfs Sleeping_Nightmares.

15:16 * Schism nomfs Sleeping_Nightmares' tail.

15:22 <DashedRainbows> Good morning ponies!

15:23 * DashedRainbows waves at Schism and hats on Finwe

15:23 <Schism> Good morningish.

15:24 * Schism doffs coffee.

15:25 <Electron> Hi.

15:26 * DashedRainbows watches Electron spin

15:27 <Electron> DashedRainbows, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFXU7o0fYII

15:29 <DashedRainbows> I've never owned a bird. I'm content to just watch them and hear them outside

15:29 <Electron> But "HAI!!". :D 

15:31 <DashedRainbows> Hai

15:31 <Schism> hOi!!1

15:35 * Finwe is heading for his elementary school class reunion dinner in the centre of the town where he was born.

15:35 <Finwe> o3o

15:35 * Finwe counter-hats on DashedRainbows.

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15:38 * DashedRainbows doffs her Finwe

15:40 <Finwe> o3o

15:42 <Sour_Sweet> Schism: Skyla sounds like a name I'd expect to hear from a woman that primarily works at night

15:43 * DashedRainbows pat-pats Finwe and gives him an apple

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15:56 <Schism> X3  Evidently, some folks were treated to a political advertisement -- which congratulated a Republican congressman for helping to repeal the Affordable Care Act.  Also, Dewey totally beat Truman.

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15:58 <Schism> Sorry, wrong channel.

16:00 <FruitNibbler> Banhammr

16:02 <FruitNibbler> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragdoll

16:02 <FruitNibbler> Fun fact

16:04 <Schism> D'aww.

16:05 <Schism> This cat, though, obviously got into the spice melange.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragdoll#/media/File:Flame_point_Ragdoll.jpg

16:06 <Schism> Behold, the Kwizatch Caterach.

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16:08 * DashedRainbows awws

16:09 <Schism> And then you have cats like this.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine_Coon#/media/File:MaineCoonSilverTabby.jpg  Yes, that is a housecat.

16:10 <ADragonDreaming> I had a cat like that.

16:11 * Schism nods, and also grumps at The Gamer - particularly, the terrible translations of the latest three chapters. Then returns to cats. "I prefer short-haired cats, to be sure."

16:11 <DashedRainbows> Those are pretty big kitties

16:12 <Schism> Those are huge kitties; the Maine Coon is the largest breed of domestic feline.

16:13 <ADragonDreaming> See, I told you it was Noona.

16:13 <Schism> Yes, yes, you're very clever.  :P

16:14 <ADragonDreaming> ...oh hey.

16:14 <ADragonDreaming> he's using energy drain finally.

16:14 <Schism> Indeed!  Good combination there, with Bind.

16:15 <ADragonDreaming> Hmm...

16:15 <ADragonDreaming> yes, that's not a great translation.

16:15 <Schism> Yeah.

16:16 <ADragonDreaming> "Time on my hands" - "Nothing else to do" etc.

16:16 <Schism> Heh.  It's also rather jarring to see Sae-Young Noona actually wearing more clothes than a pair of short shorts and a tank top.

16:16 <ADragonDreaming> Sure, but she's outside in the cold now.

16:17 <Schism> Surely she has skills to keep her from being cold!

16:17 * ADragonDreaming eyes the last panel.

16:17 <ADragonDreaming> She doesn't stop being miss fanservice, though.

16:17 <Schism> True.

16:17 <ADragonDreaming> That's a silly picture.

16:17 <ADragonDreaming> Like she'd have had to stand up suddenly and then someone snapped the photo immediately after... eh, whatever.

16:18 <Schism> Aye, that's a very peculiar bounce. o.o;

16:18 <Schism> Also, good that Han Jee-Han's finally grasped that the Craft skill is a teensy bit useful.

16:19 <ADragonDreaming> He grasped that a bit back when he talked about becoming an Auto-character.

16:21 * Schism also snrks again at Jee-Han's reaction to Milstream's little aging trick.

16:21 <ADragonDreaming> ...hmmm...

16:21 <ADragonDreaming> I'm guessing you have a chapter to read /after/ he asks about the divine tree?

16:22 <Schism> Oh, here you go.  http://www.mangahere.co/manga/the_gamer/c167/

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16:24 <ADragonDreaming> ...hmmm...

16:24 <ADragonDreaming> wow, okay.

16:24 <ADragonDreaming> that translation is distinctly worse than one I was reading.

16:26 <Schism> Like I said, yeesh.

16:26 <ADragonDreaming> hahaha a figurine of noona

16:27 <Schism> Well, she was on his mind just then.  X3

16:27 <ADragonDreaming> pffft...

16:27 <ADragonDreaming> mana stones

16:28 <ADragonDreaming> He's an infinite energy source.

16:29 <ADragonDreaming> wahey! the other elements!

16:29 <ADragonDreaming> Gnome gets to be a big sister!

16:33 <Schism> Indeed!  o3o

16:34 <Schism> And yeah, those mana stones are also good for crafting other items - which means that they could probably be sold for ridiculous amounts of dosh.

16:34 <ADragonDreaming> I think eventually he's going to limit himself so as not to ruin the economy.

16:36 <Schism> I doubt the recovery items are going to be that substantial.  They'll take a dip, but that's a type of item which can always be used; a few thousand entering the global market aren't likely to sway things that heavily.

16:37 <ADragonDreaming> Nah, I meant things like the mana stones.

16:37 <Schism> Those, too, are a recovery item, as well as a crafting material.

16:38 <ADragonDreaming> Given he's created 3812 in, what, a week?

16:38 <Schism> "Recovers 1,000 MP."  And true.

16:38 <ADragonDreaming> Granted he's the only one who can do it at the /moment/ but he has that tutor skill.

16:38 <ADragonDreaming> His ability is so cheaty he could probably get a farm going with golems or spirits.

16:39 <Schism> That is rather frightening.  Chunbumoon doesn't really do wizardry, but if they were to find a few more, such as the President...

16:40 <Schism> Hah, Turtle Tamers... "Relying on your years of training, using your expert turtle taming skills, you manage to tame the... turtle-shaped piece of candy that somebody left under the chair."

16:40 <ADragonDreaming> ...ehuh?

16:40 <Schism> Oh, there's a pet-based class called the Turtle Tamer in this game.  Tanking, using familiars to great effect, that sort of stuff.

16:41 <Schism> And occasionally throwing their pets.  Unless their pet's a dwarf.  Nobody tosses dwarfs, y'know?

16:41 <ADragonDreaming> KoL?

16:41 <Schism> Aye.

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16:43 * Schism passes Cepheid a bowl of rice with plenty of soy and sriracha.

16:43 * Cepheid noms.

16:43 <Cepheid> I once knew a person who would drink water with soy sauce mixed in.

16:45 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Another Season 7 Teaser Appears on Twitter - Starlight Glimmer Info [ http://tinyurl.com/lpfcle3 ]

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16:46 <Schism> Not the strangest thing people drink.  After all, I have hot water with marmite mixed in.  o3o

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16:52 <Librarian> i learned a new word

16:52 <Librarian> jingo

16:55 <Schism> Hey, that's our word, you foreigners give it back!

16:56 <Librarian> yay you got it

16:56 <Librarian> its in the opening of the saga of tanya the evil

16:57 <Librarian> one of the few animes where you want the protagonist to fail

16:58 * Schism hmms, and nodnods, making up some fried rice at the moment.

16:59 <Librarian> free day means writing day yay

16:59 <Librarian> also my birthday is in 8 days

16:59 * Cepheid calculates a bunch big-O, big-Omega, and big-Thetas.

16:59 * ADragonDreaming watches them all fight it out.

17:01 <Cepheid> ... That one was...  That was easy.

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17:01 <Cepheid> Show that 6n^2 is big-Omega(n^2).  Just remove the six.  Voila, you proved it.

17:02 <Cepheid> Big-Omega is the lower bound.  The function has to be at least or equal to the specified big-Omega.

17:02 * Schism makes a note to give Librarian a light green wallpaper, as gifts provided on a villager's birthday provide 8x the return.

17:03 <Cepheid> Geezus.  This next one's even simpler.  Big-Omega of 1.  Any given function is going to be equal to or better than that.

17:07 <ADragonDreaming> Fighters in this game need some kind of Taunt function.

17:07 <Cepheid> Heh.

17:07 <ADragonDreaming> Mostly so that ranged attack enemies can be forced to focus on them.

17:10 <Cepheid> What game is it?

17:12 <Schism> Baldur's Gate 3.

17:12 <Schism> Erm, Pillars of Eternity, that is.

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17:13 <ADragonDreaming> Welp.

17:14 <ADragonDreaming> Everyone except my main character hit the dirt in within about 30 seconds combat.

17:14 <Cepheid> Heh.

17:14 <Schism> Woof.

17:14 <ADragonDreaming> I'm ... going to see how this turns out.

17:15 <ADragonDreaming> Mmm, nope.

17:15 <ADragonDreaming> Frickin' Langufaeth.

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17:17 <Schism> No, Lang-UR-faeth.

17:19 <Schism> Mmm.  Yes, that fried rice and veg was definitely a good lunch option.  Best use for frozen vegetables, really.

17:20 * Cepheid just showed that indeed, 4n^2 - 3n is Omega(1).

17:21 <Cepheid> And with that, I'm done of the assignment.  Just need to transcribe.

17:31 <Cepheid> Ow.

17:31 <Cepheid> I forgot one question, so I went to do it.

17:32 <Cepheid> I did a part of it.  Created a colored graph.  But I then had to explain what the minimum number of colours was, without specifying any existing theorems.

17:34 <Cepheid> I was able to answer it, but geeze, it requires being very careful in examining the graph.

17:36 <Cepheid> Oh, by the by.  Fun thing.

17:36 <Cepheid> At university, in the main building, University Centre, there's a washroom on the second floor.  It's relatively clean, but there's a problem.

17:37 <Cepheid> The counter with the sinks.  Any time you run the sinks, water somehow starts pooling on the countertop a lot.  Enough that if you accidentally lean forward and touch the side of the countertop, your shirt will get soaked.

17:37 <Cepheid> On top of that, there's a leaking drain pipe underneath, so running the sinks regularly causes a massive pool of water to appear.

17:37 <Cepheid> I notified the school about this, as did a number of other students.  What was their solution?

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17:37 <Schism> Yerg.  That's fun... they put up a sign?

17:38 <Cepheid> They left a squeegee on the countertop, and installed some rubber matting underneath the countertop, but left the leaky pipe, so it's technically safe as we have a rough, rubbery surface to stand on, but it still floods down there.

17:38 <Schism> That's... kind of a solution?

17:39 <Cepheid> It is.  Probably cost more than fixing it.

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17:40 <Schism> Yeah, a pipe surely doesn't take too much effort to fix, and... well.

17:48 <ADragonDreaming> blasted paralyzing blowguns

17:49 <Schism> Those freakin' Fallen, shouting 'Rakanishu' at you, shooting blowguns, and then running away.

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17:55 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> The sale is done!

17:55 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> I got 136 bucks.

17:56 <Schism> Very nice!

17:57 * The_Nostalgia_Mare does that rain of monies.

18:00 * Cepheid submits assignment.

18:01 <Cepheid> Last assignment for discrete structures.  Huzzah!

18:01 <Cepheid> All I have left is a quiz on Monday and an exam some time in April.

18:01 * The_Nostalgia_Mare congrats-noms Cepheid.

18:03 <Cepheid> Now I just have my Computer Science assignment to do for Monday, this weekend.

18:05 <Schism> Oh, Cepheid, you don't drink soda, right?

18:05 <Cepheid> I do, why?

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18:05 <Schism> Oh, Shoppers has that '6-pack of 710ml bottles for $2.29' thing today.

18:06 <Schism> Regular or diet pepsi, mostly.

18:06 <Cepheid> Ah.

18:06 * Schism usually stocks up on a little when he sees that.

18:08 <Cepheid> I really, really suspect Spitfire likes that blanket a lot because it smells of me.  Which makes it a pain to use that blanket since he takes up most of it.

18:08 <ADragonDreaming> Broodmother's are broken, man. I should have activated High level scaling.

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18:11 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Animation Short: Twilight Why Didn't You Tell Me Books Were So Awesome?  [ http://tinyurl.com/k272m4m ]

18:12 <Cepheid> Bleh.  I ran into a small problem for my roguelike that requires a bit of tricky thinking.

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18:12 <Schism> "Finish this quote.  Power corrupts, and absolute power..." "Is even more fun." "Correct!"

18:13 <ADragonDreaming> There.

18:14 <ADragonDreaming> I cleared out the damn not-sahuagin bastards.

18:15 <Schism> The creators of this game are functionally insane.  http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Lavalos

18:15 <Cepheid> Heh.

18:16 <Schism> Occurs in a disco-themed volcano.  Of course.

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18:18 <Cepheid> I can think of like, at least four different solutions to the problem I face.

18:18 <Schism> What concern?

18:19 <ADragonDreaming> ...Aaaaand now I have a pet lagufaeth.

18:19 <Cepheid> Honestly it's not that difficult of a problem.  It's just a concern about performance.

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18:20 <Cepheid> The best way to render a roguelike ASCII-graphics screen using OpenGL is to store the entire n by m grid in an array buffer.  But only a select few textures can be loaded at a time for rendering due to hardware limitations.  So I can't, for example, bind a set of images that covers the entirety of unicode for one frame of rendering.

18:21 <Librarian> the called me from a casino i went once to tell i had 4000 points

18:21 <Schism> Librarian: Wow, a whole $4!

18:21 <Librarian> nope

18:21 <Librarian> 2

18:21 <Schism> Hah.  Well, I was close.

18:21 <Schism> Cepheid: The entirety of unicode, right now, would... possibly be a bit too much.

18:21 <Librarian> i tought it was 4000 pesos owo

18:22 <Librarian> i could have bought a chromebook with that

18:22 <Cepheid> Simplest solution, is to simply render each glyph separately in each frame, switching out the textures as necessary.  It's slow, but it'll work.  And it's not like I'm rendering thousands of polygons per frame.

18:22 <Cepheid> Even a 4k screen with a 16x16 tileset is... *calculates*

18:22 <Schism> If it were 4,000 pesos, they wouldn't have called you.

18:22 <Librarian> a man can dream

18:23 <Cepheid> I stand corrected.  It is a few thousands of polygons, but it's not millions.

18:23 <Cepheid> 240 by 135 = 32,400 quads.  Quads are made of triangles, so double that by 2, 64,800 triangles.

18:23 <Schism> Cepheid: And now I'm imagining a 4,096x4,096 dungeon level to explore, roguelike-wise.  Several, in fact, with pathways leading between them willy-nilly.

18:23 <Cepheid> Modern games are usually in the millions.

18:24 <Cepheid> The next complicated approach is tiling.

18:25 <Cepheid> Basically, I render the screen in N by N chunks of glyphs.  This ensures that no more than N by N textures are needed per render pass.

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18:25 <Cepheid> If the value is somewhat low, like 3, so we have 3 by 3 blocks, I'll need at most 9 textures loaded at a time per chunk.

18:25 <Cepheid> And it increases performance.

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18:27 <Cepheid> Next up on the complexity scale is to pack in a bunch images into one large texture, say, 16 images per texture, then I'll only ever have to bind a maximum of 16 textures for UTF-16.

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18:27 <Cepheid> Final approach, which is on par with the simplest approach, kind of defeats the purpose of using OpenGL.

18:28 <Cepheid> But does considerably simplify things regardless, and is still in a sense accelerated if there aren't many changes to the back buffer.

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18:29 <Cepheid> Basically, make one giant texture that's screen-sized.  Use the CPU to draw into the texture, upload to the GPU, render a giant, screen-sized quad with that texture.

18:29 <Cepheid> It's still faster than software rendering, because after that initial draw, changes to the screen only require that I do partial updates afterwards.

18:30 <Cepheid> Honestly for the moment I'm inclined to do the simplest approach for now.

18:30 <Cepheid> It gets the job done.  It's straightforward.  Doesn't require any advanced features of OpenGL.

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18:31 <Schism> Pfff.  http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Caldera_Air

18:32 <Cepheid> :P

18:32 <Schism> And indeed.  When in doubt, simplicity - especially since optimization in rendering can be done a bit later on, likely.

18:32 <Cepheid> Yeah.

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18:34 <Cepheid> Arguably, I can get away without even using a shader, if I wanted to.

18:37 * Schism waves a bit to Golden, while preparing for the glorious Spring. And pelting Maru with gifts.

18:38 <Golden> Hey

18:38 <Cepheid> With that settled, I guess I'll move onto the next problem, which is thankfully much simpler.

18:40 <Cepheid> Representation of the glyph/character buffer that rendering makes use of.  Fortunately this is straightforward.  It's an N by M grid of glyph and attributes.  And the only attributes I really need are "background color" and "foreground color".

18:44 <Cepheid> ... Why, Tizzy?

18:44 <Cepheid> I'm trying to work, why do you come to bother me now?

18:45 <ADragonDreaming> Because you are trying to work

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18:59 <CleverDerpy> yup

19:02 * Cepheid sighs. He's been writing too much Java code lately. Keeps writing "public void etcetcetc()" in C++.

19:03 <Night_Blitz> public is implied in Java, afaik :3

19:05 <Cepheid> Nope.

19:05 <Cepheid> Package access level.

19:05 <Cepheid> Public has to be specified for the class or member of a class to be anything but package.

19:05 <ADragonDreaming> public void main()

19:06 <CleverDerpy> I think he's a zombie now

19:06 <ADragonDreaming> {print "hello";}

19:06 <ADragonDreaming> ...I feel like I'm missing something to end it but it's been ages since I did any code.

19:06 <Cepheid> Depends on the language.

19:06 <CleverDerpy> Derpy knows a line

19:07 <Cepheid> Not sure what language that is.  It's not Java, as Java uses the entry point "public static void main(String[] args)"

19:07 <ADragonDreaming> I don't even know either.

19:07 <CleverDerpy> <img src="blahblahblah.whatever">helloworld</img>

19:08 <CleverDerpy> of course you need a real image

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19:08 <Cepheid> In any case, in Java, the default access level is package.  This means that a class, or member of a class, can only be accessed by the class or another class in the same package.

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19:08 <CleverDerpy> I used to work a bit in html, I could do stuff with notpad

19:08 <CleverDerpy> Derpy is a little rusty though

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19:09 <Cepheid> Fun note, ADragonDreaming.  If we ever get MHXX over here, we'll be able to fight an extremely old monster that hasn't been seen stateside since Monster Hunter Freedom Unite.

19:10 <Librarian> i wnt to scout for a cheap computer

19:10 <Librarian> its still expensive

19:10 <Librarian> nuuu

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19:11 <Cepheid> They're bringing back Lao Shan Lung.

19:11 <ADragonDreaming> Neat.

19:12 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Be a Magical Girl with Pony ... Scepters? And Other Weird Items [ http://tinyurl.com/ksu4bku ]

19:13 <Cepheid> Alas, still no Yamatsukami.

19:16 <Electron> Excuse me, Schism. Have you read Exit Through Canterlot?

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19:21 * Cepheid puts on the Zinogre battle theme while coding.

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19:28 <Librarian> i discovered the reason this thing is not working

19:28 <Librarian> its packed with stuff

19:33 <Cepheid> Hum, what is the weather like outside?  I'm getting a headache while INSIDE and I suspect a bit of fresh air could help, but...

19:34 <Cepheid> Oh, it's 2 degrees.  Perfect then.

19:34 <Cepheid> Holy cripes there Spitfire.

19:34 <Cepheid> I just opened the window, that's it.

19:35 <ADragonDreaming> "BUT AIIIIIIIIIIIR!

19:35 <Cepheid> Moment I opened the blinds and the window, he came running over to sit in front of the window.

19:35 <Cepheid> Nah, it's more like "ANIMAL FRIENDS!"

19:35 <Cepheid> He likes looking outside, and my bedroom window gives an excellent perch for him to look outside.

19:35 <Cepheid> That and he does like fresh air, yes.

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19:52 <Cepheid> It'll be interesting to see how he reacts to a collar.

19:52 <Cepheid> Putting 50 bits on "Flops over and refuses to move."

19:55 <Schism> Hah, probably something like that.

19:55 * Schism was roped into a game or two of backgammon. Won one, lost one...

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19:56 <Cepheid> I now need an image that has the entirety of CP437 in a 16x16 grid.

19:57 <Cepheid> For the moment I'll just grab a tileset from the Dwarf Fortress wiki.

19:58 <Cepheid> http://dwarffortresswiki.org/images/7/75/VGA9x16.png And here we are.

19:59 <Cepheid> Pull my PNG loader code from another project..

20:00 <Librarian> now the mac works

20:00 <Librarian> yay

20:00 <Librarian> it just needed a cleaning

20:10 <Cepheid> Enable texturing, generate a new texture of appropriate size, load texture into GPU memory..

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20:15 <Schism> Here, have some caracals.  https://twitter.com/cutemergency/status/845604184309288960

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20:29 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Livestream Saturdays and Drawfriend [ http://tinyurl.com/n4qs6db ]

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20:46 <Cepheid> Man I love bugs that make no friggen sense.

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20:49 <Schism> Those are the best bugs, tis true.

20:54 <DashedRainbows> I'm partial to those that suddenly manifest and disappear

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20:55 <Cepheid> In this case, if I assign random glyph indices to the back buffer, I get nothing but garbage rendering.  If I specifically assign a single character to the entire buffer, I get the expected result.

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20:56 <Cepheid> And as far as I can tell, all the input to the texture stuff is CORRECT.

20:59 <Cepheid> It's like I'm writing out of bounds somewhere.

21:01 <Lumindia> gg ceph

21:03 <DashedRainbows> You probably did, by 1... At least I do that sometimes

21:04 <Cepheid> ...

21:04 * Cepheid bangs his head against the desk.

21:04 <Cepheid> I was setting the texture coordinate after specifying the vertex.

21:04 <Cepheid> I'm supposed to do it the other way around.

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21:08 <WildStar> Howdy

21:09 * DashedRainbows waves

21:11 <WildStar> How is everyone doing?

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21:16 <SaultSteMarie> Whole Foods had some mandarin orange/kumquat hybrids

21:16 <SaultSteMarie> They're good

21:19 * Cepheid stretches and yawns.

21:19 <Cepheid> I'm sore, mostly, WildStar.

21:19 <Lumindia> HGow the hell did THAT happen?

21:19 <Lumindia> One of my cats turned off the hot water in my kiotchen

21:20 <WildStar> Cepheid: Why sore?

21:20 <WildStar> Lumindia: They're learning >_>

21:20 <Cepheid> I haven't had a shower, mostly.  Limbs generally tend to feel stiff and sore until I take a shower.  I should probably take a shower.

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21:24 <Cepheid> http://maximumble.thebookofbiff.com/2017/03/21/1501-ugly/

21:26 * Schism gasps in shock. http://maximumble.thebookofbiff.com/2014/10/02/953-break/

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21:28 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: Ataraxia - Six Stars [Piano] [ http://tinyurl.com/n4l68vz ]

21:28 <WildStar> Howdy Sombra and Cobalt_Blitz

21:29 * Cobalt_Blitz Waves. "Hello there WildStar ."

21:29 <Sombra> Ponies

21:31 <WildStar> How's it going?

21:31 * Schism hums, considers watching Saki again sometime, perhaps. Tis an anime about a truly high-stakes game: Mahjong.

21:36 <WildStar> huh

21:40 <WildStar> how do you so the * actions like those above?

21:40 <Schism> By typing '/me [action]'.

21:41 <Schism> /me demonstrates like this.

21:46 * WildStar watches videos on airships and makes a few notes

21:46 <WildStar> thank you Schism

21:50 * Schism bows.

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22:00 <Schism> "Every once in a while, declare peace.  It confuses the hell out of your enemies."

22:00 * Cepheid declares peace with Schism.

22:00 * Schism bluescreens.

22:00 <Schism> (Be warned.  Sometimes, this can result in Ghandi launching the nukes.)

22:01 <WildStar> hah

22:04 * Cepheid goes about writing some cleaner code for project now. Namely a wrapper for an OpenGL texture.

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22:16 * Schism hides from Filly_Nightmares underneath a cardboard box.

22:23 <Finwe> o3o

22:23 * Finwe noms on both Filly_Nightmares and Schism.

22:24 <Finwe> A delightfull class reunion.

22:24 <Finwe> I met people I hadn't met since the 6th grade.

22:28 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Brony Dance Party Hit With Swarm of Copyright Strikes By Record Label Who Now Owns "Nightmare Night"  [ http://tinyurl.com/lnc5g3v ]

22:29 <Finwe> !s7

22:29 <DerpyBot> The next episode airs in 20d:16h:30m:50s

22:29 <Finwe> o3o

22:36 <Cepheid> http://sugartiaradoll.blog22.fc2.com/blog-entry-353.html I want this.

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22:51 <ADragonDreaming> Is that supposed to be a Kitsune?

22:54 <DashedRainbows> Looks like it

22:54 * Filly_Nightmares flap flappies!

22:55 * Schism is still hiding under the cardboard box.

22:56 * Filly_Nightmares sniff sniffs the air and noses the cardboard box! She sits on it!

22:56 <Cepheid> Ran Yakumo from Touhou.

22:56 <Cepheid> And yes, she's a kitsune.

22:57 * DashedRainbows pets Filly_Nightmares and gives her a mango

22:58 <Cepheid> Oh, that issue of mine reminds me.

22:58 <Cepheid> I discussed with my Psychology professor the symptoms of when my right ear just "stops working" so to speak.  I brought it up because one of the classes I had was on the senses, particularly hearing.

22:59 <Cepheid> She's under the impression that the problem is something in my brain.

22:59 <Cepheid> As if it was due to physical damage, the problem would be constant.

22:59 <DashedRainbows> Not necessarily

22:59 <Lumindia> AAA

23:00 <Lumindia> oh my god, Ran looks adorable in that pic

23:00 * Lumindia grabs Cepheid

23:00 <Lumindia> Where Dcan I get one!

23:00 * Lumindia shake shake

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23:00 <Cepheid> DashedRainbows:  Under certain circumstances that I can induce, my hearing plain just stops working in the right ear for split seconds.  The audio is replaced entirely with white noise static.

23:00 <Cepheid> It's as if the ear was overloaded with noise for short periods.

23:00 <Cepheid> Lumindia:  No idea.

23:00 <Lumindia> oh

23:01 <Cepheid> I saw that posted by someone on Twitter.

23:01 <Lumindia> jesus, that's nearly 500 dollars

23:01 <Lumindia> I like touhou, but not that much

23:01 <DashedRainbows> Hmm, that's peculiar

23:02 <Cepheid> Eeeyup.

23:02 <Cepheid> Usually the combination that induces it is a mixture of loud music and exhaustion.

23:03 <Cepheid> The sound is best approximated as overloading a speaker.  It crackles with white static, then goes silent for a moment, then crackles again and returns to working.

23:03 <DashedRainbows> Exhaustion caused odd things for me too, as do loud sounds

23:03 <Lumindia> so it just cuts out for a bit?

23:04 <Lumindia> and yeah, it would make sense that it might be a brain thing

23:05 <Cepheid> The period is very short, like about half a second to a second.  But it happens repeatedly.

23:05 * Schism squishes underneath Filly_Nightmares.

23:05 <Schism> Cepheid: That's quite the doll.

23:07 <Lumindia> 4/10, not enough fluff

23:07 <Lumindia> wel, that's quite fluffy

23:07 <Lumindia> so bumped up to a 5.5/10

23:07 <Lumindia> I still can't cuddle the tails, though

23:08 <Lumindia> AAA

23:08 <Lumindia> I saw other touhou stuff

23:08 <ADragonDreaming> Boo

23:09 * Lumindia falls ove r

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23:10 * Schism passes ADragonDreaming an A'Boo's Clue.

23:11 <Cepheid> Lumindia: http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1468970

23:12 <Cepheid> There we go.  Got the engine rendering glyphs with fore and background colours.

23:15 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Art Gallery) #2209 [ http://tinyurl.com/k256k4m ]

23:18 * Filly_Nightmares skree!

23:20 * Schism offers the Filly_Nightmares an egg roll with mango sauce. o3o

23:22 <OctaveSymphony> !seen straight

23:22 <DerpyBot> OctaveSymphony: The last time I saw....will you cut that out already?!

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23:22 <Cepheid> !seen Mojyo

23:22 <DerpyBot> Cepheid: Sorry, I haven't seen Mojyo lately.

23:22 <Schism> When ordering Chinese takeout, we always order a few different dishes - and usually shift them around so that everyone gets a little bit of everything.  Anyone else do that?

23:22 <ADragonDreaming> Sometimes

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23:23 * Cepheid rides around on a Zinogre. Wheeeee!

23:23 * Cepheid gets electrocuted.

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23:26 * Schism watches as Cepheid gets attacked by everyone else, while upon a Zinogre.

23:26 <Schism> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=458nEpjtY5k

23:26 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.

23:26 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about MH4 HSA: Mounting Etiquette

23:27 * Cepheid is in the world of MHGen.

23:27 <Cepheid> Mounting etiquette changes in Generations.

23:27 <Cepheid> Basically:  Stop standing around and attack it already!

23:27 <Schism> So it's entirely the opposite.

23:28 <Cepheid> Yeah.  Capcom figured out that the whole "Don't attack mounted monsters" thing detracts from gameplay a bit.

23:28 <Cepheid> So now instead, attacking assists the mounting player.

23:29 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3FP1ZEEpbA

23:29 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about MHgen HSA: Mounting Etiquette part2

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23:36 <Cepheid> I dun think I can code anymore.

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23:37 * ADragonDreaming paints the rose red.

23:40 * Schism sips the Red Rose.

23:41 <Schism> Cepheid: Exhausted?

23:41 <Cepheid> Yeah.

23:41 <Cepheid> In fact I feel like laying down in bed.

23:41 <Cepheid> I think I shall do that.

23:41 <ADragonDreaming> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp0u7vHLqTs

23:41 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Spitfire's Day Off

23:42 <Schism> Black_Rose, playing .hack// ?

23:42 <Black_Rose> nope just rping

23:42 <Schism> Adra: Oh yeah, I love that vid.  o3o

23:42 <Schism> And yea, sleep is good, Cephy.  If you can get Spitfire off your blanket.

23:43 <Cepheid> I sleep with a sheet instead, these days.  Less warm.  As for the blanket, he's free to have it for the time being since his old bed's gone now.

23:43 <Cepheid> Anyways, see ye tomorrow.

23:44 <ADragonDreaming> I did wind up reading through that tumblr, too. Felt like the dude was setting things up for something ... epic.

23:44 <ADragonDreaming> That was like a year ago.

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23:46 <ADragonDreaming> CONSERVE YOUR POWER, Sunset!

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23:47 <DashedRainbows> I think I should practice drawing on paper. pencil and paper are easy to get

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23:58 <SunsetShimmer> xDDD

23:58 <SunsetShimmer> it's already beeping at me

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