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00:00 <Heartbreak> Careful with these, Tirek, they are still kinda 'special needs'...
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00:00 <Cepheid> Interesting question. In China and Japan, the number 4 is considered bad luck. As a result, some places actually lower the rent for rooms on the fourth floor of a building, etc.
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00:01 <Cepheid> So my question is, is the 4th room on the 4th floor of an apartment building the cheapest apartment of the entire building?
00:01 <Cepheid> What about the 44th apartment of the 4th floor in a much larger apartment building?
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00:03 <Braixen> ....
00:03 <Braixen> you know IM the only Braix
00:06 <SunsetShimmer> You know what she means though
00:06 <SunsetShimmer> she's talking species, not chat
00:09 <Braixen> i know XP
00:09 <Heartbreak> Braixen: Pfffff, of course you're the only -Braixen-.
00:09 <Heartbreak> You're the one that came out -right!-
00:10 <Heartbreak> These are all clones!
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00:10 <Cepheid> http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Skill I need six people. Here are some of the skills you can embark with. I also need suggestions for the type of landscape we should embark on.
00:10 <Cepheid> Or what type of fort we should build. I'll consider surface villages as well, if desired.
00:10 <Thelema5|away> Cepheid, that's interesting. Not sure about which one would be the cheapest, but I can confirm that Asian businesses take that sort of numerology pretty seriously. The hotel I work at- which has been operated by first a Korean company and now a Chinese company has a phone number ending in 8888- specifically requested because it is a fortuitous number
00:10 <Braixen> XP
00:11 <Cepheid> Most of the teal skills can't be chosen.
00:11 <Cepheid> Thelema5|away: Heh. I know in China and Japan, 4 is considered bad luck because the pronunciation of it is very similar to the word for "death".
00:12 <Thelema5|away> I would guess the bad luck is cummulative- ie, the 44th room in the 44th floor would be the worst
00:12 <Cepheid> In Japan, that'd be shi. In China, no idea, but I presume it's close.
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00:12 <Cepheid> Indeed.
00:12 <Cepheid> And for the Chinese and Japanese, that superstition's pretty powerful.
00:12 <Cepheid> Therefore, if you are a foreigner, look for any rooms that have the number 4 in them. They'll likely be cheaper.
00:13 <Thelema5> You may die, but at least you'll save some money. XD
00:13 <Cepheid> Heh. :P
00:14 <Thelema5> "Number 4 (?; accounting ?; pinyin s�) is considered an unlucky number in Chinese because it is nearly homophonous to the word "death" or "decease" (? pinyin si)."
00:14 <Cepheid> They're cheaper not because you might die in the room, but because the rooms don't sell as well.
00:14 <Thelema5> So same in Japan as in China
00:14 * Thelema5 goes to eat dinner
00:14 <Cepheid> Superstition and all that, people will avoid the rooms and specific floor.
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00:15 <Cepheid> It's why you also don't see Flooor 13, sometimes.
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00:17 <Cepheid> For fun, if I ever owned a building, one of the floors would be labeled 666. There'd be nothing on the floor, but if you walked onto it, you'd smell sulfur, and it'd be extremely hot. I'd have the heating system on 24/7 for that floor, and in the vents would be scented devices giving off what smells like sulfur.
00:23 <SaultSteMarie> you use sulfur in like metalworking
00:23 <SaultSteMarie> so just set up a metalworking shop there
00:23 <SaultSteMarie> but pay the artists to dress up like demons
00:24 <SunsetShimmer> Don't forget to pipe nonstop death metal and screams in the PA system
00:26 <Cepheid> Heh.
00:26 <Cepheid> And occasionally have the elevator system stop there along the way to it's destination.
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01:00 <SaultSteMarie> nah man
01:00 <SaultSteMarie> if it's hell
01:01 <SaultSteMarie> ya gotta be playing paul anka's worst songs 24/7
01:01 <SaultSteMarie> I had a neighbor in college
01:01 <SaultSteMarie> played Paul Anka's cover of Nevermind like 24/7
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01:03 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlKao_Pox5A
01:03 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
01:03 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Paul Anka and Lisa Simpson - Just don't look
01:06 * Heartbreak boosp SaultSteMarie and sends them to Neverwhere.
01:12 * Cepheid loads up Hollow Knight.
01:14 <Heartbreak> Verandure, I would like one last over chapter X, yes please.
01:14 <Verandure> Okie dokie
01:14 <Heartbreak> Schism!
01:14 * Heartbreak cracks a whip over Schism!
01:15 <Heartbreak> There's a chapter!
01:15 <Heartbreak> Looooook at it!
01:20 <Cepheid> I hate flying enemies in Hollow Knight.
01:20 <Cepheid> Their AI is designed such that they will always be out of range.
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01:56 <Cepheid> Dangit, I swear I was at the end that time..
02:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1139 [ http://tinyurl.com/ya8mguzn ]
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02:14 <Golden> Good night everyone
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02:44 <Cepheid> Something outside has my cat's attention. Not sure what, since I can't see it myself.
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03:16 * Thelema5 tapdances
03:18 <Verandure> You've got the shoes for it.
03:18 <Cepheid> http://imgur.com/gallery/Hh3ID
03:19 <Thelema5> ^ This was my fear when I signed the loan for my first "new" car
03:20 <Cepheid> No license plate on the car, unless it was photoshopped out to protect identity. If it wasn't photoshopped out, then this was likely a test drive.
03:20 <Thelema5> A lot of places don't require front plate, though
03:22 <Cepheid> http://imgur.com/gallery/zHcb7 ...
03:22 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: BronyCon Music: StrachAttack - The PVNK [Electro] / anosci - smiles n' balloons! (Additive Subtractive Remix) [Hardcore] [ http://tinyurl.com/y7wpo6o9 ]
03:28 <SaultSteMarie> uh
03:28 <SaultSteMarie> is google's text huge for anyone elsre
03:29 <SaultSteMarie> wait no firefox is being weird for me
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03:34 <SaultSteMarie> ... Haha wow this is terrible. I was playing some old PCE RPG called Emerald Dragon and there's this part where the main character turns into a dragon, busts down a prison cell door tooo rescue his girlfriend, and hurts himself in the process. PCE version he just says something like, "I was trying to show off but that didn't turn out so well."
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03:34 <SaultSteMarie> It got an SNES port and the line got changed to "A girl wouldn't be strong enough to open this door."
03:36 <Cepheid> ...
03:36 <Cepheid> I wonder who thought up that change.
03:36 <Thelema5> Pft
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03:41 <Cepheid> So, here's a thing. I recently learned it's possible to adjust the stats of your RimWorld characters via save editing, since the save is in plain XML and not compressed and easy to edit.
03:42 <Thelema5> That sounds like fun
03:42 <Cepheid> http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Skills Here are the skills. You got 15 points to spend in them. You can also choose one "Interested" and one "Burning" skill.
03:43 <Cepheid> And because I know some of you might want a specific backstory: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Backstories Pick an adult and child backstory, if you want. Otherwise it'll be random. http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Traits Followed by traits.
03:44 <Thelema5> Is Thelema a character?
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03:46 <Cepheid> I can make one, yes.
03:46 <Cepheid> I only need 2 characters. The third will be based on me. And beyond that, I dunno if I'll tweak the folks I find.
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03:47 <Thelema5> Well if you include Thelema, please do not make them a Urbworld sex slave
03:47 <Thelema5> XD
03:49 <Nuclear> Living proof VHS will never be obsolete: https://youtu.be/31-32zSA8zY
03:50 <Nuclear> A 1993 videotape format, with only 300 lines of resolution, creates THAT kind of picture.
03:50 <Thelema5> Looks pretty good.
03:51 <Thelema5> I shouldn't scoff; I've been buying all my new music on analog vinyl for the past year
03:51 <Thelema5> Sounds great for being a physical recording medium
03:53 <Nuclear> Mmhhmmm.
03:53 <Nuclear> That video format is analog too
03:54 <Cepheid> It's worth noting that tapes have a greater capacity than a lot of hard drives.
03:54 <Cepheid> It's not unusual.
03:55 <Cepheid> Plus compression formats designed with analog and tapes in mind are pretty efficient.
03:55 <Cepheid> Their downside is in access time.
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03:55 <Verandure> And environmental susceptibility.
03:55 <Cepheid> The compression format also limits the colour resolution a bit.
03:56 <Nuclear> Cepheid, that format is proof that even without digital compression, 300 lines of resolution is sufficient for pretty much 90% of anything.
03:56 <Nuclear> And that's mid-'90s consumer tech.
03:56 <Nuclear> You could record 2 to 3 hours on a tape.
03:56 <Cepheid> The capacity of tapes is increased in much the same way CDs and harddrives. Technology that pokes smaller and smaller space.
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03:57 <Cepheid> Nuclear: Modern tapes can store several times as much, with higher resolution still.
03:58 <Cepheid> It's true you don't need super-high-resolution imagery to get nice picture, but there are problems with the technology that VHS used.
03:58 <Nuclear> I would do anything to get a 1" reel-to-reel machine and a 1/2" or 8 mm closed-reel videocassette machine that could record analog RGBHV or digital RGB (4:4:4) without a file system and error correction and concealment code (Reed-Solomon), but with the ability to format LTFS for data applications.
03:58 <Nuclear> No there isn't, you can still use an old 1956 Quadruplex videotape recorder and it will outlast any modern crap.
03:58 <Thelema5> You'll shoot your eye out
03:58 <Nuclear> As far as I'm concerned.
03:59 <Cepheid> I'm not talking durability.
03:59 <Cepheid> Also, if you ran a magnet up against that tape, good bye information.
03:59 <Nuclear> Tape is the best aside from film. Discs are great too, followed by diskettes and hard disks...
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03:59 <Nuclear> You need a pretty powerful magnet to do that on an old tape...
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04:00 <Nuclear> It doesn't just work like that
04:00 * Cepheid sighs.
04:00 <Cepheid> Tapes are the be-all-end-all of storage.
04:00 <Nuclear> And who's dumb enough to keep a magnet near magnetic media anyway? Lol
04:00 <Cepheid> They hold a lot of data, sure.
04:00 <Nuclear> Heck even vinyls were made to store video and they achieved VHS quality
04:01 <Cepheid> They're slow as all hell for seeking. Plus if something gets snagged, it can damage the tape and cause data loss. Plus with all the moving parts, the hardware is about as likely to fail as a CD drive.
04:01 <Nuclear> I am sure they could have improved on that but it stopped in the 1980s
04:01 <Cepheid> If you take good care of the hardware, yeah, it can last.
04:01 <Nuclear> Big deal I'll take my sub-0.01 USD-per GB tape drive that can store 1 PB on a single cassette and has 1 Tbps write speed.
04:02 <Nuclear> Those are already possible
04:02 <Cepheid> I'm aware.
04:02 <Cepheid> But have fun seeking to the data you want.
04:02 <Nuclear> we had a 1 Gbps drive back in 2000 tha could store an hour of 4:2:2 1080p video.
04:02 <Nuclear> My how times have changed
04:02 <Cepheid> I'm aware of their storage capacity.
04:02 <Cepheid> You're not taking into consideration any of the problems with the tech.
04:03 <Cepheid> ANd just praising it as the be-all-end-all of tech.
04:03 <Cepheid> It's actually getting a bit annoying.
04:03 <Nuclear> It is the end otherwise it would have been replaced after 66 years of usage....
04:04 <Cepheid> I don't have the time for this, nor do I want to deal with the aggravation. Have fun.
04:05 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, my buttbone is hurting like hell.
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04:05 <Thelema5> I just find it amusing that people still routinely refer to recording digital video with their phones as "getting it on tape"
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04:06 <Nuclear> Heh, I still say stuff like that
04:06 <Cepheid> Everyone does.
04:06 <Thelema5> Also, physical tape mechanics remnants also remain in modern video operation with terms like "rewind"
04:06 <Cepheid> It's because when we grew up, that's the tech that caused such phrases.
04:06 <Cepheid> The newer generations will be "Catching it in video" instead or something of the sort.
04:08 <Cepheid> http://imgur.com/gallery/ArLpG This accurately describes how I feel about certain things in software development, that are specific to timezones and various regions.
04:08 <Cepheid> Also, Spitfire, what are you staring at so intently?
04:08 <Thelema5> "Spooling" is also used still for sending data from one device to another
04:08 <Cepheid> Or to a printer.
04:09 <Cepheid> Spitfire appears to be watching the trees move in the wind.
04:09 <Cepheid> As there is nothing out there that I can see.
04:09 <Cepheid> Either that, or there's a mouse out there and I just can't see it because it blends with the ground.
04:09 <Thelema5> Wasn't the cat doing that last night too?
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04:10 <Cepheid> A bit, yeah.
04:11 <Cepheid> ALso, apparently I completely and utterly missed the fact that a storm was going through my area last night.
04:12 <Thelema5> Heh
04:12 <Cepheid> The only indication there was a storm was a bit of rumbling at one point, but I didn't see the lightning or hear the thunder.
04:13 <Thelema5> I guess Spitfire did
04:15 <Cepheid> What I find interesting was that the storm was bad enough that it got news coverage. The fact that I didn't see or hear it is a bit odd.
04:15 <Thelema5> Speaking of cats, mine is not responding to his medication; he's been getting 8 units of insulin a day and his BG is still 100 points higher than safe levels. We even went and bought a fresh bottle of insulin today in case there was something wrong with the one we have- the stuff is not cheap- and it didn't make a difference
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04:17 <Thelema5> +/- $150 for a 10 ml bottle and it still isn't helping
04:19 <Thelema5> I only mention the cost because I grew up very poor, so spending money like that is very hard- even if it doesn't present an immediate hardship at the time
04:21 <Cepheid> Oof.
04:23 <Ali> Is this that kitteh that was having problems before Thelema5?
04:23 <Cepheid> Spitfire, yer not supposed to be on the table.
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04:23 * Ali picks up the Spitfire kitteh and brushies!
04:24 <Thelema5> Yeah, Ali. His pancreatitis has come back; they now expect it to be a chronic condition
04:24 * Ali awwws
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04:25 <Thelema5> He's still happy and acting okay- still has an appetite and is drinking water. But his organs will probably begin to fail in a few days if we can't get his blood glucose down
04:27 * Ali hugs Thelema5 and sorries they're going thru that.
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04:28 * Thelema5 thanksie
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05:00 * Cepheid noms a beer.
05:02 * Verandure beers a nom?
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05:15 <SaultSteMarie> yoooou know that thing where like... for all intents and purposes you live in yourself, except that doesn't feel like home anymore
05:17 <Verandure> Out of body experience?
05:17 <Verandure> Or dysphoria?
05:18 <SaultSteMarie> maybe the latter more! I don't know 8]
05:22 <Verandure> No, I can't say that I know it, rather that I just know of it.
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05:56 <Cepheid> I was gonna go nap, but when I tried, I accidentally did all my bed sheet laundry. I am also wide awake all of a sudden.
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05:58 * Schism wakes up as well. "Huh."
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05:59 <Cepheid> You make it sound like you just sat up from bed, and went "Huh. I'm still alive."
05:59 <Schism> More like, 'Huh, that was longer than I thought I'd sleep.'
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06:00 <Cepheid> In other news, I was notified earlier, and forgot to mention, that my parents leave on a two-week vacation in two weeks.
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06:04 <Schism> Huh. That'll be fun, no doubt.
06:04 <Cepheid> Two weeks to myself, yes.
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06:05 <Schism> With cats, of course. o3o
06:07 <Cepheid> Of course.
06:07 <Cepheid> Tizzy got her drugging today and claws clipped.
06:08 * Schism nodnods, "That'll undoubtedly help keep the damage down."
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06:10 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
06:11 <Firestar> Bork
06:11 <Cepheid> Bork bork.
06:11 <ConfusionRift> Yippe bork bork?
06:11 <Cepheid> Schism: The biggest thing I'm interested in is the fact that it'll be quiet, and the house will remain clean.
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06:13 <Schism> Ah, that will help!
06:14 <Cepheid> Don't understand how two people can make so much of a mess in such a short time frame.
06:14 <Cepheid> You'd swear they were children.
06:17 <Cepheid> I'm bored.
06:17 <Heartbreak> Math!
06:20 <Cepheid> Let's not.
06:20 <ConfusionRift> Same. So I'm looking for the soundtrack for Thunder Force V.
06:20 * ConfusionRift lost it long ago.
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06:22 <DriftedAway> I thought there was new chapter Heartbreak
06:23 * Cepheid goes to install Rabi-Ribi and begin a Hammerless run.
06:24 <ConfusionRift> Thank you for the idea.
06:24 <Cepheid> Hmm?
06:24 * ConfusionRift has that game as well.
06:25 <Cepheid> If you can get past the sugar-overload cuteness, it's a good game.
06:25 <Cepheid> Oh, and all the pantsless girls.
06:25 * ConfusionRift shrugs. Has seen worse.
06:26 <ConfusionRift> It ain't bad. Pretty nifty action platformer. I just find a few things... problematic.
06:26 <ConfusionRift> Not necessarily the difficulty.
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06:30 <Cepheid> https://www.twitch.tv/cepheidvar Streaming my hammerless run. :P
06:30 <ConfusionRift> Oh yeah, and my controller is a bit borked too. Got it solved with sensitivity reduction, but still.
06:33 <ConfusionRift> I'm just gonna see how this works. Past a certain point, I'll have to skip out. You know, spoilers and all. :P
06:34 <Cepheid> It's not a standard run, for the record.
06:34 <Cepheid> Hammerless means using special tricks.
06:34 * ConfusionRift nods.
06:34 <ConfusionRift> Oh look, glitch girl!
06:36 <Schism> Freakin' Halitostroper quest.
06:36 <Cepheid> Whoops.
06:36 <Schism> Frealom
06:36 <ConfusionRift> ...whooooops indeeed. :P
06:36 <Schism> Freakin' Marcelle.
06:36 <Schism> And hehe.
06:37 <Cepheid> I can't recall what to do, heh. I just know it involves the reverse wall-jump, but, I can't remember where to do it.
06:37 <ConfusionRift> You can just skip with the Start button.
06:38 <ConfusionRift> Huzzah!
06:40 <ConfusionRift> Interesting.
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06:41 <ConfusionRift> "No! Stop hitting me! Why are people so violent!" | (looks at his bare hooves) Huh?
06:41 <Schism> You were on the right track in that one room with the researcher.
06:41 <Schism> That area CAN be gotten through on the right with RWK and Wall Jump.
06:42 <Cepheid> I wasn't able to get it high enough for some reason.
06:42 <DriftedAway> I like it when I'm playing a war game and the other player tells me "how dare you!" Or stuff like that
06:42 <DriftedAway> Lol. Wrong game type the. Silly. Go play Lego Batman or something
06:42 <ConfusionRift> "You cheater! You were blocking!" | It's a fighting game! Duuuuuuuuuhhh!!!
06:43 <DriftedAway> Armor hack! Armor hack!
06:43 <DriftedAway> :p
06:43 <ConfusionRift> Your most powerful weapon is... the lack of?
06:43 * ConfusionRift laughs!
06:43 <Cepheid> Up until you run into Ribbon, yeah.
06:43 <Cepheid> That's how it works, Hammerless.
06:44 <ConfusionRift> Cepheid: It looks like Ribbon just gave up and self-imploded.
06:48 <ConfusionRift> Looks like they lowered their defenses.
06:48 <Cepheid> UPRPRC - Usagi Pero Pero Club. AKA: "Bunny Licking Club"
06:49 <ConfusionRift> And they called me weirdo.
06:49 <SaultSteMarie> ripping some audio tracks from PC Engine games for listening practice. wooooooo.
06:49 <SaultSteMarie> Why is ys utopia so garbage
06:50 <ConfusionRift> Oh no! They have Super Soaker 5500s!
06:51 <ConfusionRift> No idea what Ys Utopia is. Sorry.
06:52 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Hello.
06:52 <ConfusionRift> Hallo.
06:52 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Toy Story is coming to Kingdom Hearts.
06:53 <ConfusionRift> ...what?
06:53 <SaultSteMarie> confusion it's like a Ys/PC Engine fan page but it's run by lunatics and the track ripping tool automatically opens it when it finishes ripping >:T
06:53 <SaultSteMarie> also by lunatics i mean possible literal nazis
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06:54 <ConfusionRift> I'll keep that as lunatic.
06:54 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Kingdom Hearts 3 has a Toy Story World.
06:55 <ConfusionRift> Huh. Interesting.
06:56 <Cepheid> Bleh I forgot somethin'
06:56 <ConfusionRift> Yep. :P
06:57 <ConfusionRift> Well, at least Ribbon is reaching termina level status.
06:58 <Cepheid> Termina Level Status?
06:58 <ConfusionRift> Crazy level.
06:59 <ConfusionRift> Them rabbid dogs.
06:59 <ConfusionRift> Hmm, now I'm wondering if the major boss in the Toy Story world is Andy sized.
07:00 <ConfusionRift> This scene confuses me.
07:01 <Cepheid> It's explained later. :P
07:01 <ConfusionRift> But they can't actually see her. Right?
07:02 <ConfusionRift> You can skip scenes with Start. ._.
07:02 <Cepheid> Right, right, sorry.
07:03 <ConfusionRift> Hehehe. :P
07:04 <ConfusionRift> I ask because they point out (and did notice, which bothers me) that the two have a single track thing going on.
07:05 <Cepheid> Seriously, explaining it would be spoilers. :P
07:05 <ConfusionRift> Oh, okay then. :)
07:10 <ConfusionRift> Ooouufff...
07:11 <ConfusionRift> Maybe with the wall kick?
07:11 <ConfusionRift> Looks a bit too low.
07:11 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> ConfusionRift, I'd love to take on a Heartless Andy.
07:12 <Cepheid> Bah..
07:12 <Cepheid> I know there's a way to get up there. I did it once.
07:12 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Or Sid from Toy Story.
07:12 <ConfusionRift> Looks like a very tight jump.
07:12 <ConfusionRift> The_Nostalgia_Mare: THAT, would be very interesting. :P
07:13 <Cepheid> I need more speed.
07:14 <ConfusionRift> Eeeerm, not today, broh.
07:14 <ConfusionRift> Oh, you too? :P
07:14 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> ConfusionRift, Still, Would love a Zootopia World.
07:14 <ConfusionRift> Ooooh, that too. Hmm, but how would that work?
07:15 <ConfusionRift> Hahaha! They would turn Sora into an animal, and Donald and Goofy into humans. :P
07:15 <Schism> Ahh, finally Conjurer 30.
07:16 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> ConfusionRift, Yep.
07:21 <Cepheid> By the by I'm not supposed to be here yet, Rifty. :P
07:21 <ConfusionRift> I'm aware. :P
07:21 <SaultSteMarie> does Sora actually turn into the lion king or is that just a thing furries does
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07:22 <ConfusionRift> I have not checked these areas because I didn't know of the reverse jump or wall kick.
07:22 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Um...
07:22 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Sault, Not sure.
07:24 <ConfusionRift> Yeah, you needed the high jump there. Clever.
07:25 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> ...hmm...
07:25 <ConfusionRift> Sora did turn into a lion in the Lion King world. No idea what's gonna happen in the third.
07:26 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Zootopia...hmm. What else can make good Worlds to visit?
07:27 <ConfusionRift> Aaaaah, cheap! He pinch mode is an hp regen. Boooo!
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07:28 <ConfusionRift> They brought Steamboat Willie. Maybe another homage?
07:28 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Like what?
07:28 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Song of the South?
07:28 <ConfusionRift> Oooohohohoh. Noooo. :P
07:29 <ConfusionRift> Oh goodness... Sleepy Hollow?
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07:29 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Hmmm. Maybe.
07:29 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Fantasia?
07:29 <ConfusionRift> Maybe. I mean... oh wait, they already did.
07:30 <ConfusionRift> Not a world, but parts showed up in the first game.
07:31 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Yeah Chernabog.
07:31 <Pony|50870> Nossy!
07:31 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Clever?
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07:31 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> ...
07:31 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Ok.
07:31 <Cepheid> There! That's how I get up there.
07:31 <Schism> Hah, yes. :3
07:32 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> ConfusionRift, Oooohhh! A Mix of A Goofy Movie and Inside Out.
07:32 <ConfusionRift> They could bring more sketches to it. Maybe... oh, if they bring Max?!
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07:33 <ConfusionRift> I mean, seriously. What happened to him? After the second movie, he vanished.
07:33 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Have Goofy Deal with the Darkness of having see his son grow up and Sora and Donald fight it with Joy and Sadness.
07:33 <Heartbreak> I'll say it again.
07:33 <Heartbreak> Nossy!
07:33 * Heartbreak boops The_Nostalgia_Mare.
07:33 <ConfusionRift> Do you hear that? :P
07:34 <Cepheid> Off to the pantsless scientist.
07:34 <ConfusionRift> "Science needs no pants!!!"
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07:35 <Schism> Ah, your favourite character in the game.
07:38 <ConfusionRift> I see how to avoid that red laser, but that's real tight of a window.
07:38 <ConfusionRift> Oh... never mind. That's how.
07:41 <Cepheid> The lasers indicate how "soon" the beam fires.
07:41 <Cepheid> Blue is "get close", red is "get away and jump"
07:42 <ConfusionRift> Yeah. I read that wrong for a sec.
07:43 <Cepheid> Blue beam takes longer to fire, so she does it later in the spin. Red beam takes shorter time, she does it earlier in the spin.
07:43 * ConfusionRift shows Schism a picture of Kotri. :P
07:43 * Schism sticks out a tongue. "Kotri is pretty great."
07:44 <ConfusionRift> Here's where I'm stopping. Have to progress through here first.
07:47 <Cepheid> No problem.
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07:52 <ConfusionRift> Got a good idea of how the hammerless run works, which is just uuuurgh.
07:57 <Divide> Aaaand WHM yay.
07:59 <Cepheid> For the record, Rifty, I'm doing this game completely out of order.
07:59 <Cepheid> I was supposed to head west to face two others rather than Chocolate and Cicini.
08:00 <ConfusionRift> I know, but you were in an area I'm not familiar with.
08:00 <ConfusionRift> Hence why I backed out... and am playing the game now. :P
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08:05 <Schism> Not totally out of order, Cephy. :P I, for example, beat Saya before even meeting Rita.
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08:09 <ConfusionRift> Guh! Not ready for Ashuri! Not readyuyyyy!
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08:10 <Cepheid> Schism, do I need to remind you that I once beat the Succubus character as the first boss in the ENTIRE game once?
08:15 <Divide> I know, I know. :P
08:15 <Divide> Ohey, got the Light Orb well ahead of time.
08:18 <Divide> Cripes, that area.
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08:20 <Cepheid> Eeeyup.
08:24 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: <unspecified> [ http://tinyurl.com/y86f7yqw ]
08:24 <Divide> "Is Ribbon seeing things? Ribbon thought she saw some meat running along..."
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08:34 <Schism> What the crap, this place...
08:34 <Cepheid> Welp, that's the first I've been beaten by one of them.
08:35 <Cepheid> Despite that, this game still feels.. "easy" all of a sudden.
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08:43 <Divide> Those 'Twin Cats'...
08:44 <Finwe> o3o
08:44 <Finwe> Greetings, everypony!
08:45 <Finwe> Except Heartbreak, because he's a -jerk-.
08:45 <Verandure> o.0
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08:48 <ConfusionRift> Eeerm... oh... huh...
08:49 <ConfusionRift> I can't go back. Seems I can only go forward... without saving.
08:49 <Divide> Sonofa crap. These cats... and of course if you kill one...
08:50 <Cepheid> Where are you, Rifty?
08:50 <ConfusionRift> Volcanic zone.
08:50 <Cepheid> ...
08:50 <Cepheid> You used the reverse wall-jump with wall kick to get in, didn't you?
08:51 <ConfusionRift> Yeah...
08:51 <Cepheid> Yeah, unfortunately, you're stuck there unless you can make it to the warp point.
08:51 <Cepheid> Or reload from an earlier save.
08:51 <Cepheid> The hardest part of getting to the warp point will be the hallway with spikes and blocks that can be damaged by explosives.
08:52 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift, Messrs Cepheid and Verandure.
08:52 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe.
08:52 <Cepheid> In other words, yer probably screwed. :P
08:53 <Cepheid> Finwe.
08:53 <ConfusionRift> Cepheid: So the area like 4 rooms away from the entrance? -_-
08:53 <Finwe> Looks like a perfect day for sailing.
08:53 <Finwe> I'm off to the sea. See you later, everypony.
08:54 <ConfusionRift> Laters Finwe.
08:54 <ConfusionRift> Well, warp wasn't that far. Huh.
08:55 <Cepheid> Yeah.
08:55 <Cepheid> It's not far, but it's still tricky to get to alive.
08:55 <Cepheid> The issue is that in relation to everywhere else, the enemies there hurt a LOT.
08:55 <ConfusionRift> Solar beam, and move as quick as you can. FTE!
08:56 <ConfusionRift> Yeeeesss.
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08:56 <Cepheid> Well, in relation to areas you can access at that point.
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08:56 <ConfusionRift> A boop from this tiny red speck take 1/4 of your health.
08:56 <Cepheid> Yup.
08:56 <Cepheid> And in later parts of the game, the damage is outrageous.
08:58 <Cepheid> There's an achievement to get all the way to a certain area without defeating certain bosses, and defeat one specific boss there.
08:59 <Cepheid> The only boss battles you can fight are the ones that aren't used for the magical stuff back in town.
09:03 <Cepheid> http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/sample/__ashuri_erina_and_ribbon_ai_mai_mii_and_rabi_ribi_drawn_by_kfcloud__sample-897b4ee01c68fcd8c54471155f87ad6e.jpg .. This is an interesting interpretation of Ashuri.
09:05 <Divide> Everything in this zone is awful.
09:05 <Divide> You know the one I'm in, Cephy.
09:06 * Cepheid thinks.
09:06 <Cepheid> I need more context and clues.
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09:08 <ConfusionRift> Oh? Well hello there. There was a hidden potion behind a wall in the Starting Forest.
09:08 <Divide> Cepheid: Pet meaty dogs don't have any flavour. Wild meaty dogs are the tastiest!
09:09 <Cepheid> ConfusionRift: That starting forest is larger and deadlier than you can ever imagine.
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09:09 <Cepheid> ALso, you can directly access the crystal caves using a reverse-wall-jump and wall kick.
09:10 <Tirek> Greeting, I am here now.
09:10 <Cepheid> Divide: ... Nope, no idea.
09:10 <ConfusionRift> Hey there.
09:11 <Divide> Plurkwood.
09:12 <Cepheid> ... When I said context, I meant which game. I was thinking FF14 for some reason.
09:14 <Divide> Oh, sorry.
09:15 <Divide> But you must admit, everything in Plurkwood _is_ awful.
09:15 * Filly_Nightmares eees
09:15 <Cepheid> I dunno, them four-legged meats look nice.
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09:20 <Tirek> I recently found "Web Diplomacy" a game that seems pretty interesting.
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09:22 <Tirek> I'd like to give it a go sometime, anonymously.
09:22 <Tirek> See how many friendships it'l ruin.
09:26 <Cepheid> But that implies having fun in the process. At least, for you anyways.
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09:31 <Cepheid> A distant relative on mine, who's a vegan, just described eggs, bacon and milk as "Chicken fetuses, pig's ass, and cow teat secretions."
09:31 <Cepheid> I dunno, this actually makes it sound more appetizing.
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09:36 <Tirek> Would it surprise you that I'm not a huge fan of bacon?
09:36 <Tirek> I very seldom have bacon with my eggs, unless someone cooks for me.
09:36 <Tirek> Despite the ease of cooking bacon on a grittle.
09:37 <Tirek> If I were to go out of my way to make breakfast, I'd find myself using ham in my omelets.
09:44 <Divide> ... Keke Bunny... attacked with ad banners. ;-;
09:44 <Cepheid> Plurkwood is actually based on a service created by an external entity called, I believe, Plurk.
09:44 <Cepheid> So it's not surprising.
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09:51 <Cepheid> Divide: So, I'm looking through the art book for the game. Keke Bunny has a second appearance where her pantsless nature is shown.
09:56 * Sleeping_Nightmares curls up on Cepheid's head and sleepies
10:01 <Divide> Cepheid: I am unsurprised
10:01 <Divide> .
10:01 <Divide> Also, no! Darnit, so close.
10:02 <Finwe> Mr Divide.
10:02 * Finwe doffs his hat.
10:02 <Cepheid> What difficulty are you playing on Divide?
10:02 <Finwe> Or rather, the absence thereof.
10:10 <Divide> Fiiiinally. And Normal.
10:11 <Cepheid> Ah, okie then.
10:11 * Cepheid thinks. He's trying to solve an inconsistency in a story he wants to use for yet *ANOTHER* game idea. One of these I'll get the drive to finish, I'm sure. Just need to keep trying.
10:13 <Cepheid> You know, I need tools. I can't rely on just a text editor, especially if I want to ask others for help.
10:15 <Cepheid> I need a reason for why a process that is meant to be two-way is, for a given time frame, is only one-way. Currently, the only idea that comes to mind is "Partially-implemented, experimental process."
10:16 <Cepheid> Or rather, I need more reasons.
10:23 <Tirek> What game are you making this time?
10:24 <Finwe> What Game – The Making of.
10:25 <Cepheid> Restoring an old one. Follows the genre of Rabi-Ribi. Metroidvania Sh'mup.
10:25 <Tirek> Ah.
10:25 <Tirek> Let me know if you actually have it off the ground, I can be your composer.
10:26 <Cepheid> Of all the projects I can get off the ground, it'd be the easiest. I've done small side-projects implementing different little subsystems that'd be used in such a game. So I know what goes into them.
10:28 <Cepheid> Plus, to accelerate things, I'm gonna be going about this one differently from my usual attempts. Placeholders to get the project moving, etc.
10:28 <ConfusionRift> Hmm? I started a side chapter?
10:29 <Tirek> Yeah, always have simple, dumbed down placeholder graphics.
10:29 <Cepheid> Which one, Rifty?
10:30 <ConfusionRift> Trouble in Rabi Rabi? Something like that.
10:30 <Cepheid> Oh, that.
10:31 <Divide> Oh, hiyas, Araraune.
10:31 <Divide> "Where's the terrible creature?" "Oh, that would be me." "..."
10:32 <ConfusionRift> I think I explored plenty for now. Gonna give it a break.
10:35 <Cepheid> Okie.
10:35 <Cepheid> Who'd you beat up so far?
10:38 * Schism has... Chocolate, Cicini, Saya, Rita, and Cocoa in that order.
10:38 <Schism> (And Keke, but she doesn't count.)
10:39 <Schism> For all that Araraune's attacks aren't actually that bad, they HURT like the dickens.
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10:53 <ConfusionRift> I also noticed that on higher levels they start pinch mode earlier.
10:54 <ConfusionRift> Unless it's by a timer, rather than health.
10:56 * ConfusionRift has Cicini, Rita, Pandora, Cocoa, Vanilla, and Chocolate.
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10:57 <ConfusionRift> Ashuri gave me a scolding, so I left her alone for the time being. Bleh, I fear it's gonna be worse when I get back to her.
10:57 <Schism> Quite possibly.
11:00 <Cepheid> It's based on health, as far as I know.
11:00 <Cepheid> But when it triggers is different depending on each one.
11:00 <Cepheid> Some do it at 25%, some at 50%, some even have multiple versions at 50% and 25%.
11:01 <ConfusionRift> Oh, so it just depends on the character and their health.
11:01 <Cepheid> One I'm aware of has three different pinch modes. Five if you count the initial attacks and their final attack.
11:02 <Cepheid> Bloody critter can one-shot you from the get-go before it enters it's first phase.
11:02 <ConfusionRift> "I don't get why others don't start with their strongest attack."
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11:04 <Cepheid> Actually it's not her strongest attack.
11:05 <Cepheid> And even if it was, it's pretty bloody effective.
11:05 <Cepheid> It covers almost 80% of the screen.
11:06 <ConfusionRift> I wouldn't have a problem with that... if I could move around that 80%.
11:09 <Cepheid> You can.
11:09 <Cepheid> Really it's biggest problem is just the first time you fight. It literally catches you off guard.
11:09 <Cepheid> Schism can attest to this. He saw me fight this particular boss, and my first encounter with it was.. short.
11:10 <Schism> Indeed.
11:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #917 [ http://tinyurl.com/ycfpgh28 ]
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11:29 * Cepheid puts on the battle theme for that battle.
11:34 <Schism> ... hi there, easter egg of spiky death.
11:36 <ConfusionRift> Is it the one in the park?
11:36 <Schism> Sure is.
11:37 <ConfusionRift> The wall jump will help. :P
11:38 <ConfusionRift> Didn't think of doing the reverse kick kick on a platform corner till I saw Cepheid do it.
11:38 <ConfusionRift> It kinda expands things, these "secret" moves.
11:40 <Schism> Indeed, they're vital in just breaking the game open. <3
11:40 <ConfusionRift> Seems the game expect you to know it at points.
11:41 <Schism> Not quite. You can get through the whole game without using one.
11:41 <Cepheid> The reverse-wall jump followed by a wall kick really allows you to get some height, yes. For the early part of the game I forgot about the wall kick, to be honest. That's why I couldn't get up in that one spot.
11:42 <Schism> That's rude, game. :< Keeping me from getting that Health Surge? That's low.
11:42 <Cepheid> Oddly though, the wall kick only works if you've done a wall jump.
11:43 <Cepheid> So the best you can do, height-wise, is a reverse-wall kick, wall jump x3, then a wall kick to get that last bit out.
11:44 <ConfusionRift> And can I say that the whirlwind swing really reminds me of Kirby Super Star?
11:44 <Cepheid> Yup.
11:44 <ConfusionRift> Whooshing sound included.
11:45 <ConfusionRift> It's fun to bonk enemies in their heads with it.
11:45 <ConfusionRift> *on
11:46 <Cepheid> I like to think that the hammer is actually just one of those hollow mallets that squeaks when you hit surfaces with it.
11:46 <Cepheid> Just of really good, solid construction.
11:47 <ConfusionRift> It's a large one, so even flimsy it would hurt a lot. Now I want a squeak sound every time a hit an enemy.
11:47 <ConfusionRift> Maybe a honk for head boops. :P
11:48 <Cepheid> But yes, the secret moves are amazing for sequence breaking that game. Not that there's any set sequence to begin with.
11:48 <Cepheid> Aside from the opening, and the end-of-chapter stuff, there's very little sequence.
11:48 <Cepheid> The game recognizes beating other targets just fine. You don't have to get the ones it tells you to.
11:49 <Cepheid> Well, it recognizes you returning targets to town.
11:49 <Cepheid> And in at least one case, there *IS* a sequence that you have to follow.
11:54 <Schism> Mmm, health surge.
11:55 <Cepheid> Alas, the only two bosses you can get to slowly implode upon themselves is Cocoa and Ribbon.
11:55 <Schism> Poor Cocoa just passes out from hunger.
11:55 <Cepheid> You absolutely cannot advance the story and enter town without getting Ribbon, at the least.
11:55 <Cepheid> Trust me, I tried.
11:56 <Cepheid> I misinterpreted the specification for an achievement, which lead to me spending a few hours trying to find a way out of the forest without fighting Cocoa or Ribbon.
11:57 <Cepheid> The achievement requires that you not return anyone to town prior to encountering a boss much deeper in the world. I misinterpreted as not beating *ANY* boss on the way to said boss.
11:59 <Cepheid> Off the top of my head, this excludes Cocoa, Ribbon, Kotri, and one other boss.
12:00 <Cepheid> The rest all have to be avoided, either by acquiring items to get past them, or as I demonstrated, cheesery.
12:02 <Cepheid> I think the only things you absolutely need are Ribbon, and the Rabi Slippers.
12:04 * Schism avoids Vanilla for now. o3o
12:05 <ConfusionRift> Whyyyy? :P
12:05 <Schism> Because I could, and doing so got me a Health Up?
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12:06 * Divide listens to the sound of ticking clock -- BERSERKER!
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12:07 <Cepheid> *Tick* *Tock* *Tick* *Tock*
12:07 <ConfusionRift> Vanilla is a fun kitty, who is very playful, and not at all destructive in panic.
12:08 <Cepheid> Meanwhile her sister is stern, scary, and destructive when she WANTS to be.
12:08 * Lumindia boops Cepheid
12:08 <Cepheid> Ow.
12:08 <Lumindia> I've beaten Symphony of the Night!
12:08 <Lumindia> \o/
12:08 <Cepheid> Nice.
12:09 <Cepheid> Inverted Castle and all?
12:09 * ConfusionRift claps.
12:09 <Cepheid> "Inverted Castle?"
12:09 <ConfusionRift> Yeah. Have you beaten both castles?
12:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Hasbro Continues Their PonyChat Series with A Canterlot Wedding [ http://tinyurl.com/yd8bxy8m ]
12:11 <Cepheid> His silence is telling.
12:11 <FreezeFrame> SotN is pretty fun
12:11 <FreezeFrame> Nicely developed the Metroidvania formula from Super Metroid
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12:14 <Tirek> I don't recall if I finished Symphony of the Night myself.
12:14 <Tirek> I remember the fights, but I could have watched LPs, rather than played them myself.
12:14 <Divide> Hm, Blue Kotri's not too hard.
12:15 <Cepheid> Indeed.
12:15 <ConfusionRift> I still have that unfinished file of Order of Ecclesia. Blarg.
12:15 <Cepheid> Little trickier when you're using just Ribbon, though.
12:15 <Cepheid> Much of it has to do with the fact that fighting with Ribbon alone makes every boss a battle of attrition.
12:16 <ConfusionRift> I have gotten halfway through the upside down castle.
12:17 <Cepheid> Every Metroidvania put in front of me, I usually 100% at some point through quite literally brute force and stubbornness alone.
12:18 <Cepheid> Of them all, I'd say the most difficult and frustratingly annoying one would have to be Hollow Knight. Good game, but geezus heavens alive.
12:19 <Cepheid> At least one part in that game reaches Sacred Grounds-level difficulty.
12:19 <Lumindia> Cepheid, : Yes
12:19 <Lumindia> I've beaten both castles
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12:20 <Lumindia> 172% map completion
12:20 <Tirek> On the topic of metroidvanias, have I said my piece on Samus Returns?
12:20 <Cepheid> I don't know, Tirek.
12:20 <Cepheid> And nice, Lumindia.
12:20 <Lumindia> and I beat Dracula without the Shield Rod + Alucard Shield combo
12:20 <Tirek> tl;dr, I'll be incapable of not comparing it to AM2R and probably won't enjoy it as much as a result.
12:20 <ConfusionRift> The fan remake, or the official soon-to-be-released one?
12:20 <ConfusionRift> Aaah, the official one.
12:20 <Tirek> The latter.
12:21 <Cepheid> I haven't played the fan-remake. Got it sitting on my laptop somewhere.
12:21 <FreezeFrame> I am a horrible completionist, it's why I have a horrendous backlog of games and also why I never really bothered trying to speedrun.
12:21 <Tirek> If you intend on getting Samus Returns, I'd recommend against playing AM2R until afterward.
12:22 <Cepheid> Heh.
12:22 <Schism> Oh boy. Well, I've beaten normal Kotri and Blue Kotri. Guess who?
12:22 <ConfusionRift> FreezeFrame: I have a queue list that pans to games I got for the Sega Genesis.
12:23 <ConfusionRift> I'm a finishist, not a completionist... mostly.
12:23 <Cepheid> Schism: Lillith?
12:23 <FreezeFrame> I'm seriously contemplating getting all 900 Korok Seeds, so....
12:24 <ConfusionRift> Oh. Oooooh. Oooooooooh!
12:24 <Tirek> Help! Help! I've been spoiled! Now I know there are 900 korok seeds!
12:24 <Schism> Cepheid: Nah. Red Kotri.
12:24 <Cepheid> Ah, you're going for her, huh?
12:24 <Cepheid> Good luck.
12:24 <Schism> Well, I kinda fell off the edge of the Sky Island.
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12:24 <Cepheid> ...
12:24 <ConfusionRift> We have to renew Tirek with another Tirek!
12:24 <Cepheid> Not even going to ask how you managed that.
12:25 * Firestar rollls in
12:25 <Cepheid> In any case, I shall be back shortly.
12:25 <ConfusionRift> Also... wait... 900?!
12:25 <Cepheid> I am in need of a shower.
12:25 <ConfusionRift> I mean, I'm not that surprised, but that's ridiculous.
12:26 <Schism> Holy--LAVA
12:27 <Tirek> While on the subject of Zelda, I have another quest for you to try in your limited free time, Rift.
12:27 <Tirek> Panoply of Calatia.
12:28 <Tirek> http://www.purezc.net/index.php?page=projects&id=357
12:28 <Tirek> Take a gander at this monster.
12:29 <ConfusionRift> Oh, Zelda 2 style I see.
12:29 <Tirek> A mix of both Z1 and Z2.
12:30 <Tirek> With a heaping helping of unique items, enemies, and references to the CDi games, the Valiant comics, and probably the TV show too.
12:30 <ConfusionRift> Hmm, seems to follow both, and all that equipment. Shesh.
12:30 <Tirek> Yep.
12:31 <Tirek> Be warned that the game also makes some use of the mouse, as well as all four of the extra buttons.
12:32 <FreezeFrame> On the plus side, your inventory is maxed out well before 900
12:32 <Tirek> Oh, I should link the proper page.
12:32 <Tirek> http://www.purezc.net/index.php?page=quests&id=618
12:32 <ConfusionRift> Downloaded. Will check it out when I can. Probably tomorrow.
12:33 <Tirek> Alrighty.
12:33 <ConfusionRift> Raiden V... huh?!
12:33 <ConfusionRift> Man, classic shmups are back full force.
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12:34 <Schism> Craaaap. I can't get back out of the volcano without that teleport point.
12:34 <Schism> So I get to fight Fire Kohri in all her glory.
12:35 <Tirek> Speaking of classic, I'm also reminded, Megamaker was released.
12:35 <Tirek> All the frustrations of Megaman, with all the frustrations of bad level design! For eternity!
12:37 <ConfusionRift> Dariusburst, Battle Garegga (Japan only), DoDonPachi revived, Raiden V... where's R-Type?!
12:37 * ConfusionRift cries in a corner.
12:39 <ConfusionRift> Oh no. You know there's gonna be just a bunch of kaizo Mega Man levels everywhere.
12:39 <Tirek> Likely.
12:40 <Tirek> I haven't given it a look, because I suck at, and dislike Megaman games in general, so.
12:40 <ConfusionRift> Hated the fading blocks? How about a whole level with nothing but those?!
12:40 <Tirek> Probably has been done.
12:40 <ConfusionRift> I was more into the X series... till X7.
12:41 <Tirek> Being its a PC release, though, I'd probably feel cheated that I can't use custom content. As it seems there's no option to use custom content.
12:41 <Tirek> You only got stuff from 1 through 6 to play with, plus some extra weapons to use.
12:41 <Cepheid> Back.
12:41 <Tirek> Welcome.
12:42 <ConfusionRift> Version 1.0. I would wait a bit.
12:42 <Cepheid> Oh yeh, I should have mentioned that, Schism.
12:43 <Cepheid> Going into the volcano without the walljump is dangerous. Even more so after Blue Kotri has been defeated.
12:43 <Cepheid> And by walljump, I mean the walljump item.
12:43 <Cepheid> That one extra jump, even from the lowest-level walljump item, is enough to get you out.
12:44 <Schism> Yup. But I beat Red Kotri anyway.
12:44 <Cepheid> It'd involve something like... Reverse-wall jump, then a regular wall jump, then a wall kick.
12:44 <Cepheid> Heh.
12:45 <Cepheid> Yeah, the biggest issue with her is just the lava.
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12:48 <Schism> It would probably be smart of me to buy some more healing items.
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12:49 <Cepheid> Same here.
12:50 <Cepheid> Up to Blue Kotri, everyone I've faced, with exception to Chocolate, I've faced without items.
12:50 <Cepheid> I relied on the Healing Rod to keep me alive.
12:51 <Cepheid> Hammerless run is extremely time consuming. With no hammer, all your damage comes from Ribbon, and while her charge shots hit reasonably hard, that's the big issue. They're charge shots. You have to wait, and spend MP to use 'em.
12:52 <Cepheid> It's like playing at least three Megaman X games using just the X Buster, and only one level charges of it.
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12:54 <Cepheid> And regular shots... Dun get me started. They're of limited use, up close preferably, since you can only have like 2 or 3 shots on the screen at a time.
12:57 <Schism> I should probably go to the Hall of Memory. That sounds like a great time!
12:58 <Cepheid> Can you even get in there yet?
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12:58 <Schism> Might as well find out.
12:59 <Cepheid> Mmm. Pretty sure you won't be able to until you beat [REDACTED].
12:59 <Cepheid> And even then, not for some time after.
13:00 <Schism> Perhaps... but I might as well see.
13:00 <Cepheid> No harm in it, yeah.
13:00 <Cepheid> I think it just leads to an endless looping pit prior to that point, though.
13:01 <Cepheid> Wonder what it's like in there with a 0% run.
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13:04 <ConfusionRift> Well, work in the evening. Laters.
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13:04 <Schism> Ah. This may be helpful: Fire Orb.
13:07 <Cepheid> Heh.
13:08 * Divide also gets some Regen Up.
13:11 <Schism> Ah. That room.
13:12 <Schism> You know the room I mean. Big room, tons of fire shooters, one-inch platforms.
13:15 <Schism> Oh, Cepheid, how I fell off the island... injudicious use of carrot bombs, shall we say.
13:19 <Cepheid> Ah, right.
13:29 <Schism> ... how the heck am I supposed to get up to Lilith. Is it only really viable at this stage on a 0% run?
13:36 <Cepheid> It's supposed to be viable with a 0% run.
13:36 <Cepheid> Like I said, off the top of my head, the only real items I can think would be needed are the Rabi Slippers and Ribbon. You'd need to do a lot of reverse-wall jumping and wall kicks to get around.
13:36 <Cepheid> I'll give it a shot later tonight to confirm.
13:37 <Cepheid> But I know it's possible, as I did it in the past. I have that accursed achievement regarding Lilith.
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13:46 <Schism> Cocoa wants me to buy a bomb.
13:47 <Schism> It would of course be terribly, terribly wrong of me to then use that bomb on Cocoa.
13:50 <Cepheid> Heh.
13:50 <Cepheid> I'm not sure if they work on bosses. Worth a shot, at least. :P
13:53 <Cepheid> Right, I need sleep. I was actually supposed to be asleep 2 hours ago. :P
13:54 * Schism is in the process of finding a lot of secrets in the Aurora Palace. Still hasn't gotten the double-jump or walljump.
13:54 <Schism> Sleep well!
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14:02 <FruitNibbler> https://imgur.com/a/wBNUB
14:02 <FruitNibbler> These should be official (except UK and Switzerland)
14:02 <FruitNibbler> (UK is just a mess, and Switzerland doesn't need soft edges)
14:03 <FruitNibbler> As icons for fast recognition and app icons in a circle they are perfect
14:04 <FruitNibbler> I'd recognise muuuuuch easier the russian matrioshka shape than wonder if that tricolor is indeed russia or one of the other flags that have the same exact colours in a different order!
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14:20 <CleverDerpy> derp?
14:22 <FruitNibbler> herp-a-derp!
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14:23 <CleverDerpy> yay~
14:23 * CleverDerpy hugs FruitNibbler
14:24 * FruitNibbler hugs CleverDerpy back
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14:41 <CleverDerpy> derpy is bored
14:50 <CleverDerpy> FruitNibbler, do you like cobbler?
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15:10 <FruitNibbler> CleverDerpy, I have no idea what cobbler is
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15:18 <Schism> Tis a pastry with a light crumble on top.
15:18 <Schism> Kinda like a slightly different pie. o3o
15:22 <CleverDerpy> mhm
15:24 <Braixen> hey CleverDerpy
15:25 <CleverDerpy> hiya Braixen
15:25 <FruitNibbler> I added some sugar to eggs and fried it very thin
15:25 <FruitNibbler> It made them into some sort of egg-cookies
15:25 <FruitNibbler> Or rather flake-egg-cookies
15:36 <Braixen> :D
15:40 <SaultSteMarie> my parents are in florida and I'm just here doing ~japanese listening exercises~ like a piece of garbage
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15:40 <SaultSteMarie> ... Wait I don't like florida.
15:40 <SaultSteMarie> why do I care.
15:41 <FruitNibbler> Because you are so nice
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15:49 <Fn> I know how to say "tourist information" in japanese ツーリストインフメシオン
15:49 <Fn> :3
15:49 <SaultSteMarie> ツーリストインフメシオン is my favorite kanji.
15:49 <Fn> it's katakana
15:49 <Fn> I doubt there is kanji for it
15:50 <SaultSteMarie> ... how the heck am I at 343 screenshots in this.
15:50 <SaultSteMarie> Anyway
15:51 <Fn> oh, there is
15:51 <Fn> 観光案内所
15:52 <Braixen> ...
15:52 <Fn> Without the last bit that means "office" (more or less) it will be just "tourist/traveller information/guide"
15:52 <Braixen> i dont speak japanese or chinese
15:52 <Fn> Guide not in a sense of person, but in a sense of written guide/map
15:53 <Fn> If you'll go to Japan that sign is for you
15:54 <Fn> I love how all the japanese words related to "tourist" are formed: kankoubasu, kankouhoteru, kankoushiizun, kankouruuto
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15:55 <Fn> Which are tourist -bus, -hotel, -season, and -route respectively
15:55 <Fn> XD
15:55 <Fn> And for some reason they also have "turaberubasu" - travel bus
15:56 <Fn> I understand the loan words and stuff, but all of those (except basu) have an actual japanese equivalent
15:57 <Fn> Mmaybe they think it is foreigner-friendly this way... I don't know
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16:26 <CleverDerpy> derpy can't read japanese
16:28 <Finwe> o3o
16:28 <Finwe> Lt Cdr CleverDerpy.
16:28 <Finwe> o7
16:28 <CleverDerpy> Radm. Finwe
16:28 * CleverDerpy salutes
16:29 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: Vylet - Deception [Dubstep] [ http://tinyurl.com/y8y33u6c ]
16:30 <Finwe> The doggo went into fluffy rug mode after a couple of hours of running outside: https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-0/q82/p480x480/20045511_10155574272463069_2800926132590804358_o.jpg?oh=1a11dc05fd178c805ad6f149dc5fb578&oe=59F45664
16:31 <SaultSteMarie> doog :o
16:34 * SaultSteMarie ponders gaming
17:00 <Finwe> o3o
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17:22 <SaultSteMarie> I'm getting an idea for a dictionary tool. I'm working with some Japanese listening practice stuff right now, and I noticed I was mishearing the word kakumeigun as kakuneibun. I feel like I should be able to write something that takes... sort of regular expression-like lists of phonetic features at different positions in the word and have it match on those instead of on what I think I'm hearing.
17:22 <SaultSteMarie> So with the kakumeigun/kakuneibun thing, give something like kaku[N][v:][S]un as search criteria, where N is any nasal consonant, v: is any long vowel, S is any stop consonant, and then the unbracked things are sounds I'm sure about.
17:30 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Day Dreaming Derpy 0.4 Demo Released - Scootaloo Update [ http://tinyurl.com/ycn7baxx ]
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18:17 <Golden> Hm
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18:54 <Schism> Bit of a tricky boss for this game, Rabi-Ribi that is.
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19:09 <SaultSteMarie> emerald dragon rather reminds me of Ultima
19:09 <SaultSteMarie> in terms of the battle system; also the dungeon theme is reminiscent of the Fellowship theme from 7
19:41 <Schism> I, uh... well, I didn't exactly have this character dead to ropes, but... huh.
19:41 * Sleeping_Nightmares chews on Schism's neck
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19:43 <SaultSteMarie> dead to ropes?
19:43 <Schism> Er, rights.
19:48 <Schism> There we go. MAX-rank finish against the final boss. o3o
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19:55 <SaultSteMarie> i didn't know people pronounced NES and SNES like ness and sness instead of just reading out the letters until like
19:55 <SaultSteMarie> recently
19:55 <SaultSteMarie> probably when the NES mini came out
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20:03 <SunsetShimmer> unless the abbreviations are weird, I usually say them in word form
20:03 <SunsetShimmer> most people do, tbh
20:03 <SunsetShimmer> FBI doesn't, for example, roll off the tongue the same way.
20:09 <Schism> And it doesn't sound good with Fettucine with Bacon, Italian style.
20:09 <Schism> as good as*
20:10 <SunsetShimmer> Don't start the food, lol
20:11 <SaultSteMarie> i prefer my fettucine Chicago style (chicago style means to do something while not wearing pants)
20:13 <Schism> "How they managed to pull this off, I'll never know." "How about how they even managed to--" "Nope, not even curious." "But... really?!" "Sanity means knowing when not to call the universe's bluff."
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20:18 <SaultSteMarie> i am considering going to Target.
20:20 <Ali> Bring me back the pony pack then :P
20:27 <SaultSteMarie> pony pack
20:27 <SaultSteMarie> ???
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20:29 <SunsetShimmer> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NPoyDlit1g - It's the year of the duck.
20:29 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
20:29 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about D23 Expo Exclusive Sneak Peek | DuckTales | Disney XD
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20:29 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
20:29 <SunsetShimmer> Heeeey
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20:44 <Thelema5> This looks like so much fun http://i.imgur.com/ZIen17y.gifv
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20:48 <Finwe> o3o
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21:03 <Thelema5> ... I have never heard of Jodie Whittaker before today
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21:24 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Electro Music: Neon Lights - The Dark Queen (feat. Lunar Dance) [Electro House] / NeverLastStanding - Helios [Moombahcore] [ http://tinyurl.com/y9phkuqw ]
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21:41 <CleverDerpy> derp?
21:41 <Lumindia> Derpy!
21:41 * Lumindia hug
21:41 * CleverDerpy purrs
21:42 * Gladiolus hugs CleverDerpy
21:42 * Lumindia boops Gladi
21:42 <Gladiolus> o3o
21:42 * CleverDerpy hugs Gladiolus back
21:42 <Gladiolus> edmonton is having nuclear winter irl lol
21:42 <Gladiolus> the smoke from BC drifted in, plunging the temps 10'c in a day
21:42 <CleverDerpy> wha?
21:42 <Gladiolus> and now it's dark and hazy and raining
21:43 <CleverDerpy> oh dear, a real nuclear winter?
21:43 <Lumindia> wait what's going on in BC?
21:43 <Gladiolus> bc is on fire :p
21:43 <Gladiolus> like, all of it more or less
21:43 <Gladiolus> a nuclear winter in microcosm
21:43 <CleverDerpy> BC?
21:43 <Gladiolus> it was 30'c yesterday, it's 13'c today
21:43 <Gladiolus> british columbia
21:44 <Gladiolus> canadian's california, far west coast
21:44 <Lumindia> well then
21:44 <Lumindia> http://i.imgur.com/eJodATZ.png
21:44 <Lumindia> yeah
21:44 * Ali curls up into CleverDerpy
21:45 * CleverDerpy blushes and pets Ali
21:45 <CleverDerpy> Ali Ali~
21:45 * Ali nuzzles the CleverDerpy softly.
21:46 <CleverDerpy> derpy heard about a Californian fire
21:46 <CleverDerpy> but didn't know it changed the whole weather cycle
21:47 * Lumindia hugs Ali and Derpy
21:48 <Gladiolus> i'm probably making things up :p
21:48 <Gladiolus> there was a storm last night that would cool things today but i can't help but draw the conclusiont hat the smoke is making it cooler here
21:48 <CleverDerpy> Gladiolus, do you play pokemon?
21:48 <Gladiolus> yis
21:48 <CleverDerpy> derpy has a special job for Gladiolus
21:48 <Gladiolus> owo
21:48 <CleverDerpy> she is making a form dex
21:49 <Gladiolus> o3o?
21:49 <CleverDerpy> for all the pokemon that can be transferred and retain changes
21:49 <CleverDerpy> if it can go on box and has more than 1 form that can do so, I am looking for it
21:49 <CleverDerpy> *bank, not box
21:50 <Gladiolus> okie
21:51 <CleverDerpy> I need you to help me find the most elusive ones of all
21:52 <CleverDerpy> all deerling, sawsbuck, and vivillion forms
21:52 <CleverDerpy> I realize I won't get all of them
21:53 <CleverDerpy> but imma try to preserve them
21:53 <CleverDerpy> like a living form dex
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22:11 <Lumindia> hey Veran!
22:11 * Lumindia hug!
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22:28 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Ceremony / Horny / Magic / Sable 34 / Warrant / Shard 10 / Busy [ http://tinyurl.com/ybb4r9v2 ]
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23:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #2322 [ http://tinyurl.com/yc4w2427 ]
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