00:00 <Schism> Yup. I have, in past, drank a half a bottle of cough syrup to see what it was like. I was not particularly enamoured with the result.
00:00 <Verandure> Well, recent being within the past 10 years =P
00:00 <Schism> Sweating, shaking, and me curled up in a corner trying to get a grip are not the sort of things you want to happen.
00:01 <Thelema5> nolpe
00:01 <Thelema5> *nope
00:01 <Schism> Doxylamine succinate is also pretty potent... hmm. Have you attempted dimenhydrinate?
00:02 <Schism> Obviously you already have a solution which works for you, but many folks will swear by gravol as a sleep aid.
00:04 <Schism> Even as an antiemetic, its effects have long been confirmed as a sleep aid for pets.
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00:09 <Schism> "In my experience, there are very few things in life sadder than an empty bookshelf."
00:21 * Cepheid flops.
00:21 * Schism writes.
00:21 <Cepheid> Long shower, followed by clean clothes.
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00:22 * Thelema5 goes to eat his turkey sandwich
00:24 * Cepheid tries to shove a flashlight into his mouth to get a peek at the back of his throat to check something.
00:26 * Cepheid fails and just ends up eating the flashlight.
00:30 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #2332 [ http://tinyurl.com/yc4ut4lr ]
00:34 <Cepheid> Got a job for ye, folks. And this only applies to those who don't know what it actually is. Without looking it up, describe what a Poutine is.
00:34 <Cepheid> Or rather, what you think it is.
00:35 * Ali can't answer cause she knows too many canada ponies.
00:36 <Cepheid> Plus I'm pretty sure I also described it, myself.
00:39 <Cepheid> So, my cat just woke up, jumped down onto the floor and walked out of my bedroom making "Mrow?" "Mrr!" "Mreow!?" noises constantly.
00:39 <Lumindia> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKxio8HZiNA
00:39 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
00:39 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Nep, Nep, Nep, Nep, Nep, Nep! (10 Hours Version!)
00:39 * Lumindia neps externally
00:41 * Cepheid neps nep neps alongside Lumindia
00:41 <Lumindia> o 3o
00:42 <Lumindia> neeep ne-nep ne-nep ne-nep nep nep!
00:42 <Cepheid> I really need to complete the games.
00:51 * Cepheid sings along to FF14 - Locus. Incomprehensible song, but strangely catchy.
00:53 <Schism> Cepheid: You should look up Brute Justice's theme.
00:54 <Cepheid> ... Is that a bloody multi-part mech?
00:54 <Schism> ... Yes. And the theme is straight out of Sentai shows.
00:54 <Cepheid> Of course it is.
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00:56 <Cepheid> Of course Square-Enix makes a dungeon that is both absurd and awesome at the same time.
00:56 <Schism> Yus.
00:57 <Cepheid> For the record, from FF5, Deltascape uses both boss themes, and Exdeath and Neo-Exdeath's themes.
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00:57 <Cepheid> Which I guess effectively confirms that this Omega is the same one from FF5.
00:57 <Cepheid> And it truly is a dimension-hopping entity.
00:58 <Cepheid> All we need now is the Lunar Subterrane.
00:58 <Schism> I still reiterate that I will be terribly upset if Gilgamesh doesn't show up in the Void somewhere.
00:58 <Cepheid> Heh.
00:58 <Cepheid> Deltascape isn't technically the void.
00:59 <Cepheid> From what lore I've read, it is a creation of Omega. Hence the dungeon name "Omega: Deltascape"
00:59 <Schism> Also, Final Fantasy: the only series where you're more likely to encounter whales sailing through the air instead of swimming in the sea.
00:59 <Schism> Ahh.
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01:00 <Cepheid> The introduction of Omega creates an interesting effect, though.
01:01 <Cepheid> Omega's base lore, from earlier games, is that it's an entity that uses the Interdimensional Rift to travel to other worlds. These other worlds are implied to be the multiverse that is the Final Fantasy series.
01:02 <Cepheid> Which means that further Deltascape instances can potentially include any well-known boss or character from any Final Fantasy game that Omega itself has appeared in.
01:03 <Schism> I'd like to see Atma Weapon appear as part of the new Relic Weapon questline.
01:04 <Cepheid> Unfortunately, Omega's introduction started at FF5. That means FF4 is out, so no Zeromus, Golbez, FuSoYa appearing. Unless they decide to do what they did for FF3.
01:04 <Schism> Cepheid: The most important part is, though, will you be feeding Luna tonight? Alvain looks quite sharp with his forest green colouring. o3o
01:04 <Cepheid> I should do that, yes.
01:05 <Schism> I should unlock the Crystal Tower, or at least make strides towards doing so.
01:05 <Cepheid> FF3's appearance in FF14 is through the Labyrinth of the Ancients, Syrcus Tower(Central tower of the Crystal Tower), and the World of Darkness.
01:06 <Cepheid> They're all retconned(in a sense) as being Allagan constructions.
01:06 <Divide> Kinda makes sense.
01:08 <Cepheid> I won't be on for much tonight. I gotta go to the clinic early tomorrow. I'll be back at around 11 or 12, though.
01:08 <Cepheid> It's gonna be fun to try and explain to a doctor how I have a chest infection, a worsening sinus infection, *AND* an inner-ear infection all at once.
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01:30 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Story: Reflections [ http://tinyurl.com/yc5fd7nk ]
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03:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Rap Music: NeoN - Worth (feat. Kozmos) [Tropical House] / MC-Arch - I am Alive. [Album] [ http://tinyurl.com/y8unuvdo ]
03:22 * Snapai streaming OpenToonz work. https://picarto.tv/Snapai
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04:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: SFM: Life in the Trash [ http://tinyurl.com/yd8su5ud ]
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04:34 <Golden> Good night everyone
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05:15 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
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05:58 <Thelema5> For the record: My father in law died today, and I am devastated. I had nothing but respect for the man, and he was a cornerstone of my family foundation.
05:59 <Thelema5> That being said, I am told that he left us a comfortable inheritance
06:00 <Thelema5> I have been a poor pone my whole life,living paycheck to paycheck at the best of times. What should I do now?
06:00 * Ali hugs the Thelema5 tight.
06:00 <Thelema5> Thanksie
06:01 <Thelema5> He was sick for a long time fighting Leukemia... I've been on deathwatch for a week now
06:02 * Ali nods and brushies Thelema5
06:02 <Thelema5> He died peacefully, surrounded with his family
06:03 <Thelema5> Still hard to deal with
06:03 * Ali nods, that's the best that he went at piece
06:03 <Ali> though I can't spell
06:04 <Thelema5> Yes, hospice is a wonderful thing, they really helped ease his final days
06:04 * Ali nods and gives hugs to Thelema5 more.
06:05 <Thelema5> The last thing he said to me was "Take care of those girls", meaning my wife and daughter
06:05 <Thelema5> I assured him that I would. He passed less than a day later
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06:06 * The_Nostalgia-Mare hugs Thelema5.
06:06 <Thelema5> Thanksie
06:08 <The_Nostalgia-Mare> Thelema5, I'm sorry for your loss.
06:09 <Thelema5> Dealing with the death of a loved one is never easy- less so when it's up close and personal. But we're okay. I'm just happy that he's not suffering anymore.
06:09 * The_Nostalgia-Mare hugs Thelema5 again.
06:09 * Thelema5 counter-hugs!
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06:20 <DerpingAimlessly> alright lads?
06:21 <DerpingAimlessly> how is everyone today/night?
06:23 <Thelema5> Hiya
06:23 <Thelema5> I'm okat
06:23 <Thelema5> *okay
06:23 <Thelema5> You?
06:25 <DerpingAimlessly> I am fine, thanks Thelema5
06:25 <Thelema5> Great!
06:26 <DerpingAimlessly> :)
06:28 <Thelema5> To be completely honest, I just lost a close family member who, while being completely straight in life... has offered some support tomy family in death
06:28 <Thelema5> *to my
06:29 <Thelema5> His will remains to be seen, but he did own 1/8th of long island 0.0
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06:33 <DerpingAimlessly> well my internet done goofed
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07:23 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
07:24 <Starwatcher> hi cr
07:24 <Starwatcher> how's it going
07:25 <ConfusionRift> Doing okay. Just killing time.
07:28 * Starwatcher fluffles himself up
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07:41 <Starwatcher> gilda the griffon appears
07:41 <Gilda> Hey
07:42 <ConfusionRift> Oh, it's been a while. Halloo!
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07:43 <Gilda> Morning Rift!
07:43 * ConfusionRift wavies.
07:54 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift!
07:54 <Finwe> o7
07:54 <Finwe> Mr Gilda.
07:54 * Finwe doffs his hat.
07:55 <Gilda> Hellew
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08:00 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
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08:39 <FreezeFrame> Feh, finally found my laundry card
08:39 <FreezeFrame> Clever thing was hiding under my pill bottles.
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08:48 <ConfusionRift> Always hiding, where least expected. Or most. I dunno.
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08:59 <FreezeFrame> Least, definitely. I never put it on my nightstand, which is where I keep my medicine since I usually take it before bed.
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11:08 <Sour_Sweet> Judging from Twitter the orange and that vodka guy must have met again. They agree on yet another way to crippe citizens rights.
11:10 <Sour_Sweet> cripple*
11:11 * Finwe noms on Sour_Sweet.
11:11 <Sour_Sweet> Poor Rainbow Dash. Someone must tell her :P
11:11 * Sour_Sweet fluffles Finwe
11:12 <Finwe> o3o
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11:28 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #928 [ http://tinyurl.com/yar7zqv8 ]
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12:21 <Braixen> hello
12:31 <Finwe> Greetings, Braixen.
12:31 <Braixen> ^^
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13:28 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Animation: Royal Vacations [ http://tinyurl.com/ycc4plxl ]
13:28 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: MASSIVE Flood of Movie Merchandise Hits Toys R' Us and Target! All the Ponies! [ http://tinyurl.com/y9yd4roh ]
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13:42 <Cepheid-mobile> Morning.
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13:46 <Braixen> hi
13:46 <RazorSharpFang> Morning
13:47 <Finwe> Messrs Cepheid-mobile and RazorSharpFang.
13:47 * Finwe doffs his hat.
13:47 <Cepheid-mobile> How are you?
13:48 <RazorSharpFang> I'm good, eating a big bowl of broccoli
13:52 <Cepheid-mobile> Meanwhile for me, whatever it is I have, it is getting worse.
13:56 <Cepheid-mobile> I am on my way to the clinic as we speak.
14:02 <Sour_Sweet> Can they maybe stop selling merch before the movie even airs? -.-
14:05 <Finwe> Today is my second evening at the craft beer fair.
14:05 <Finwe> From 9 PM to 1 AM again.
14:07 <Cepheid-mobile> No, Sour_Sweet. That is how they hype the movie.
14:12 <Finwe> That's how the money rolls in.
14:29 <Cepheid-mobile> Children are impressionable. Get the toys out sooner and you will have more brats screaming to their parents about the movie.
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14:38 <SunsetShimmer> It's always been this way
14:38 <SunsetShimmer> nothing new
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14:44 <Cepheid-mobile> Bleh. 24 patients ahead of me.
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14:50 <Cepheid-mobile> ... my connection here sucks.
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15:18 <Cepheid-mobile> I feel wobbly and woozy. o3o
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15:36 * Cepheid-mobile wobbles and woozy over to Luminary and sleeps on their head.
15:36 <Lumi> o 3o?
15:36 * Lumi has a Ceph hat now
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15:46 <Sneky_Nightmares> Gotta go!
15:46 <Sneky_Nightmares> Bai bai!
15:54 <Finwe> Fare ye well.
15:55 <Cepheid-mobile> Hey Schism, I won't be on FF14 until much later. I am likely gonna go to sleep when I get home.
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16:04 <Finwe> Well then, off we go.
16:04 <Finwe> See you later, everypony!
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16:12 <Schism> Cephy: Just woke up, so no worries.
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16:16 <Cepheid-mobile> At least my breathing improved from this morning. It was bad when I woke up.
16:17 <Librarian> my roof feel down owo
16:17 <Librarian> the plaster at any rate
16:19 * Schism nods. "By the way, Cephy, we will need a bigger party for Second Coil, turn 3. I'm just reading up on the boss, and it's a hot mess.
16:19 <Schism> And I'm glad that you're feeling at least somewhat better...!
16:19 <Cepheid-mobile> I am not surprised.
16:20 <Cepheid-mobile> Turn 1 was tricky at 3 people. Turn 2 was impossible. Turn 3 would be beyond impossible.
16:20 <Cepheid-mobile> Also I hope you are okay Librarian.
16:20 <Librarian> yep, no one got hurt
16:21 <Librarian> its just going to be a pain to fix
16:21 <Schism> The roof, the roof, the roof keeps falling down...
16:21 <Librarian> i also finally delivered the replacement puppy to the people who lost their pug due to my akita
16:21 <Librarian> i can lift a weight of my back
16:22 <Schism> That is indeed yayworthy.
16:23 <Librarian> the puppy was adorable, she was terrified and her heartbeat was intense
16:23 <Schism> Ohh, well, duh, the old man who got giga flared in the ARR opening cutscene was Louisoix. Duh, self.
16:24 <Schism> Librarian: Awww...
16:24 <Librarian> but i when i delivered her she started to lick her new masters
16:24 <Schism> And suddenly, everything was happy.
16:25 <Librarian> yay
16:27 <Schism> Cepheid: Oh yeah, unlocked the Crystal Tower, after much pain.
16:28 <Cepheid-mobile> Now get through the labyrinth so we can do Syrcus Tower.
16:28 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Non-Guardians of Harmony Pirate Pony Brushables Appear on Taobao [ http://tinyurl.com/ydz8dtxe ]
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16:29 <Cepheid-mobile> Have fun with the mechanics to boot.
16:30 <Schism> I'm looking at the Labyrinth of the Ancients, and whoof, that's a long run.
16:31 <Cepheid-mobile> It isn't as long as it sounds. The mechanics hurt though.
16:32 <Cepheid-mobile> Meteors for 9999 damage. Need to send parts of your party to stand on a panel to hurt a boss. Special flare spells that require standing in the right place to deflect.
16:32 <Schism> A hugantic learning experience all in all, basically.
16:33 <Cepheid-mobile> More or less.
16:33 <Cepheid-mobile> You'd best give it a shot on the weekends. Weekday attempts will take forever to pop.
16:34 <Schism> Yeah, even with the PF going...
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16:36 <Cepheid-mobile> Speaking of, we should start using the party finder.
16:36 <Schism> Indeed.
16:37 <Cepheid-mobile> This doctor's name is a little too close to Kondraki. It is Kindeki.
16:37 * SunsetShimmer gives Pinkie pie to Cepheid-mobile and Schism
16:37 <SunsetShimmer> there's your party finder
16:38 <Schism> Heh, thankfully, Kondraki is not a physician. That would be Dr. Rights, and gods help any soul who is in need of her assistance.
16:38 <Cepheid-mobile> Wrong kind of party. And not the kind I would like right now.
16:38 <Schism> Cepheid is currently the host of a lung party.
16:38 <Cepheid-mobile> Lung, sinus and ear party.
16:39 <Cepheid-mobile> Still don't know how I am going to explain that I got three such problems all at the same time.
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17:03 <Cepheid-mobile> It seems like every fan base is getting functionally worse and worse with each new fan base.
17:04 <Cepheid-mobile> Apparently a fan artist for the game Dream Dads is getting death threats.
17:05 <Schism> Egh. I'd ask for what reason, but people evidently don't need a reason.
17:07 <Cepheid-mobile> Though it hasn't been specified, an artist did do a gender bend of one of the characters. People are thinking that's what triggered the death threats.
17:08 <Schism> What, death threats over a simple application of Rule 63? Seriously, what the crap?
17:08 <Cepheid-mobile> Doesn't even come close to justifying death threats though. So I dunno what the hell is going on.
17:08 <Schism> Things are seriously getting absurdly toxic...
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17:10 <Cepheid-mobile> Indeed.
17:15 <Cepheid-mobile> Some people are saying genderbending is transphobic. I am not sure these people are right in the head.
17:17 <Schism> I, uh...
17:17 <Schism> I can't quite parse that chain of thought.
17:17 * Ali sometimes can't understand people anymore.
17:19 <Cepheid-mobile> I am starting to think that this is a new breed of people. They suffer from a mental illness where they are compulsively trying to apply political correctness to everything and anything they can find or get their hands on.
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17:19 <Schism> That's not new, not by a long shot.
17:19 <Cepheid-mobile> And because it is compulsive, they can neither stop it, or want to stop it.
17:20 <Cepheid-mobile> Seriously. The behaviour is in line with an actual, real mental illness. Like depression or anxiety.
17:21 <Schism> I won't argue the point, but the opposite is also quite toxic in and of itself - those who decry any sort of tact or acceptance.
17:22 <Ali> Well the problem might just be new in a way due to how everyone can anonomously post to just about any comment.
17:22 <Schism> Those who attempt to be perfectly correct could be suffering from a sort of guilt, but it's so twisted that I can't make heads or tails of it.
17:23 <Schism> This is also a point. What was it again? John Gabriel's theory on how anonymity + voice = total jerkface.
17:23 <SunsetShimmer> Nah, I think they genuinely believe they're right
17:23 <RazorSharpFang> No, this has been going on for a LONG TIME
17:24 <RazorSharpFang> How much do you know about Postmodernism?
17:24 <Schism> I know that it resulted in one guy missing an ear.
17:24 <Ali> I'm sure it has been going on for a long time, just with the new tech we have now, its must more prevailant.
17:24 <Schism> Jokes aside, though, I agree that postmodernism is... well, a blowback at the idea that art should mean something.
17:25 <Cepheid-mobile> The Internet in its current state is equivalent to the Wild West. A lawless, rule less place where anyone can do anything, and think they can get away with it scott free.
17:25 <RazorSharpFang> No, wrong concept.
17:25 <RazorSharpFang> Postmodernist PHILOSPHY, not the ART MOVEMENT
17:25 * Ali draws a stickpony on RazorSharpFang
17:25 <Schism> Ah, then a little less than nothing, which puts me in a good position to learn.
17:25 <RazorSharpFang> They are very different.
17:25 <RazorSharpFang> Now, postmodernist philosophy has roots in modernism.
17:26 <Cepheid-mobile> I started one of those topics again. I should pull out before I get locked up on something stupid.
17:26 * Ali pat pats Cepheid-mobile
17:26 <RazorSharpFang> Postmodernist philosophy rejects a lot of the tennents/values/structures, etc of modernism, but also goes beyond that and also rejects tenents of the enlightenment.
17:26 <RazorSharpFang> Are you familiar with modernist philosophy, and the enlightenment values?
17:27 <Schism> As a curiosity, to which Enlightenment do you refer?
17:27 <RazorSharpFang> Btw, I'm trying to be as neutral as I can for everyone's sake.
17:28 <RazorSharpFang> The value structures of rational thought, debate, free-speech, criticism, etc.
17:28 <Schism> Ah, alrighty then.
17:28 <RazorSharpFang> Additionally, individualistic value-sets, and individual rights.
17:28 <Schism> I do believe that I've heard that much of the 'postmodern' mindset adopts a nihilistic approach.
17:28 <RazorSharpFang> Modernism came from the enlightenment value-set, as cranking it up to 11.
17:29 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Pearilous / Mom / Floffy / Boulder / Pone Wars 1:1 / Sable 38 / A(pple)ffection 26 / Cyan 24 / Fun [ http://tinyurl.com/yd5hq3al ]
17:30 <RazorSharpFang> The modernist "vision" for lack a better word, is that the institutions created by us will guide us into a time of prosperity through the use and application of scientific endeavor, and human endeavor.
17:30 <Schism> This is, of course, a utopia.
17:30 <RazorSharpFang> Which, as we probably can guess, is too optimistic.
17:30 <RazorSharpFang> Shortly after that, the vietnam war happened.
17:31 <RazorSharpFang> People began to see the institutions they had trust in do evil.
17:31 <RazorSharpFang> This shattered their worldview.
17:31 <RazorSharpFang> There was the banking crisis, the war on drugs, .........
17:31 <RazorSharpFang> People began to reject the value-structures and ideas of modernism.
17:31 * Sneky_Nightmares chews on RazorSharpFang
17:32 <Schism> In a way, that kind of ties in with the art movement, the idea that the creations of man have meaning in and of themselves rather than contextually.
17:32 * Sneky_Nightmares curls up on Schism
17:32 * Schism patpats the Sneky_Nightmares and provides a bowl of cream of chicken soup.
17:32 <RazorSharpFang> They began to distrust institutions, and outright reject modernism's values and also of the values of enlightenment too, since modernism was born from that.
17:32 * Schism also passes RazorSharpFang a bowl of broccoli in cheese sauce.
17:33 <RazorSharpFang> So, in this way, Postmodernism itself is a reactionary philosophy that challenges modernism's tenants, value-structures and ideas.
17:33 <RazorSharpFang> Now, the postmodernists, like all big collections of people, are varied.
17:33 <Schism> RSF: Mmm. Which is, in and of itself, reasonable, inasmuch as you can call any reactionary philosophy 'reaosnable'.
17:33 <Schism> reasonable*
17:33 <Schism> One cannot proceed without challenging one's assumptions.
17:33 <RazorSharpFang> Postmodernists vary on how many of the prior tenants they accept and/or reject/
17:34 <RazorSharpFang> So you'll find people who reject the idea that institutions are only good.
17:34 <RazorSharpFang> That's okay, fine.
17:34 <Schism> So there are those who take a guarded approach, and poke at those theories which don't make sense; there are those who will happily challenge everything in their path; and there are those who will unthinkingly reject the old guard.
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17:34 <RazorSharpFang> But you'll also find people who reject the scientific method, the consistency of logic, the use of speech, and that thoughtful discussion is possible.
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17:35 <RazorSharpFang> Every movement has its extremes.
17:35 <Schism> Now, that's hardly a new innovation in the realm of thought. But yeah.
17:36 <RazorSharpFang> So, when these people say "I don't debate" they're being internally consistent; they don't think logic works AT ALL. They don't think people can change their minds.
17:36 <Cepheid-mobile> I disagree with that.
17:36 <RazorSharpFang> Well, that's what they've told me, and their actions seem in line with that.
17:37 <RazorSharpFang> What part do you disagree with?
17:37 <Cepheid-mobile> I don't debate because I am incapable of expressing my thoughts or views in a constructive or informative manner.
17:37 <RazorSharpFang> Are you a postmodernist?
17:37 <RazorSharpFang> I'm specifically talking about postmodernists.
17:37 <Cepheid-mobile> Therefore it is not wise for me to debate. Even if I have something I want to say.
17:37 <Schism> The self-consistency is, of course, that they're projecting their issues onto other people. They themselves are unwilling to or unable to change their mindset, and in accordance they assume that others are.
17:37 <Cepheid-mobile> I honestly don't know what I am.
17:37 <RazorSharpFang> Schism: Yes, projection's a big thing with them.
17:38 <RazorSharpFang> However, the postmodernist philosophy when taken to this extreme leaves you with nowhere to go.
17:38 <RazorSharpFang> Because once you reject all value-structures, nothing is better than anything.
17:38 <RazorSharpFang> Everything's just kinda meh.
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17:38 <Schism> Nihilism, as I mentioned earlier.
17:39 <RazorSharpFang> This is where they differ from nihilism, nihilism says "nothing matters" postmodernists say "everything matters equally"
17:39 <RazorSharpFang> But they also don't specify what it equals TO.
17:39 <RazorSharpFang> So you CAN get postmodernist nihilists, but not necessarily.
17:39 <RazorSharpFang> So there's some overlap.
17:39 <RazorSharpFang> Definitely similar.
17:39 <Schism> Nothing matters a lot. o3o It's kinda hard to focus on what actually exists without a nothing to contrast it to.
17:40 <RazorSharpFang> Now, this is where they've really dug themselves into a corner.
17:40 <RazorSharpFang> If nothing is better than anything else, what change do you seek in the world?
17:40 <RazorSharpFang> This is where a lot of them actually break from the postmodernist philosophy, I've found.
17:40 <RazorSharpFang> So I call these guys meta-modernists.
17:40 <RazorSharpFang> But that's a term only I use.
17:41 <Schism> This is a big part of my philosophy. The universe is cold, unthinking, uncaring, and perfectly, utterly fair. However, we, ourselves, are not.
17:41 <RazorSharpFang> No-one else likes it.
17:41 <RazorSharpFang> But for the sake of clarity, I shall use it here.
17:41 <Cepheid-mobile> I believe more in a "What matters is that you do something constructive or positive. Anything." Mostly because doing something is better than sitting around doing nothing. At least you will have an impact on something or someone, however small it may be.
17:42 <RazorSharpFang> The metamodernists say "Okay, maybe some things matter more than others. Like equality." and by "equality" they mean Marxist-lenist and/or Stalinist (?) versions of equity (equality of outcome) and/or class warfare/struggle.
17:43 <Schism> Seems a sane enough term to describe that mode of thought, I suppose.
17:43 <RazorSharpFang> But rather than dividing the group into proletariat and bourgeois they divide the world into oppressor and oppressed.
17:43 <Cepheid-mobile> The problem is that classes will always exist. Because people are allowed to place themselves in such classes if they so desire. A person can choose to be submissive to someone else.
17:43 <RazorSharpFang> They say that the oppressors are oppressing the oppressed (true by definition, right?), and say that this must be amended By And Means Necessary (tm).
17:44 <RazorSharpFang> *any
17:44 <RazorSharpFang> So you'll find that the metamodernists split up the world into 2 groups, good/bad and then they put themselves into the "good" group.
17:45 <RazorSharpFang> Because that always works.
17:45 <Schism> A dichotomy is a common feature of most simplistic philosophies.
17:45 <Schism> As Hanlon's Razor puts it, it's not quite that simple.
17:45 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, so they completely lose all nuance and view the world in black and white.
17:46 <RazorSharpFang> That's why anything that is remotely wrong, is completely wrong.
17:46 <RazorSharpFang> And that is why they justify harassing someone who did r63 artwork.
17:46 <Cepheid-mobile> I prefer to view the world in shades of green, pink and taupe.
17:46 <RazorSharpFang> In this scenario, the trans people are the oppressed, and the cis-patriarchy is the oppressor, and the maker of the artwork is a member of the oppressor.
17:47 <RazorSharpFang> Doesn't matter if any trans people were offended. Irrelevant.
17:47 <Schism> I still fail to see that connection. R63 artwork of a fictional character is, well, it's just a thing that people do.
17:47 <Schism> But that's probably for the best.
17:47 <Cepheid-mobile> Indeed. R63 has been around for a loooong time.
17:47 <RazorSharpFang> An r63 is akin to a "transition" in their eyes, which trivialities their experiences. [/s]
17:48 <Cepheid-mobile> It is also applied by men, women, trans, and whatever other groups I mentioned.
17:48 <Cepheid-mobile> Er forgot *
17:48 <Schism> Oh, FBS. Anyway, I should get out of here and to the store briefly...
17:48 <RazorSharpFang> But, like before, I believe this is actually a form of Pareidolia.
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17:49 <RazorSharpFang> They see wrongdoings everywhere because they've been trained to see it in everything.
17:49 <Schism> Seeing patterns which don't exist, based on one's own preconceived notions? Yup.
17:49 <RazorSharpFang> Just like people see faces in everything.
17:49 <RazorSharpFang> Just like we see shapes in clouds.
17:49 <Schism> There is totally a rabbit trapped on the moon, I don't know what you're even talking about.
17:49 <RazorSharpFang> Just like google deep-dream sees dogs in everything.
17:50 <RazorSharpFang> It's just Pareidolia.
17:50 <RazorSharpFang> I can say "Here's the eyes, here's the face" but if you're not seeing it... you're not seeing it.
17:50 <RazorSharpFang> No amount of talking will make you see it if you can't.
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17:51 <RazorSharpFang> So, this reinforces their notion of the fallibility of logic, discourse.
17:51 <RazorSharpFang> And this also reinforces their notion that truth is subjective (?).
17:51 <RazorSharpFang> "My truth" bah
17:53 <RazorSharpFang> So, this permits the rejection of any and all evidence that doesn't fit their narrative.
17:53 <SunsetShimmer> ^
17:53 <SunsetShimmer> They believe it in ways that make no actual sense
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17:53 <RazorSharpFang> And I mean the narrative specifically, as rather than thinking of the world as "your evidence vs my evidence" as a discussion, they think of it as "your narrative vs my narrative"
17:54 <RazorSharpFang> In this way, metamodernists behave like an amalgamation of rationalists (lol) and conspiracy theorists.
17:54 <RazorSharpFang> This differs from the elightenment and modernist value of empiricism.
17:56 <RazorSharpFang> So in this way, they kinda outright reject science.
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17:56 <CleverDerpy> SunsetShimmer~
17:57 * CleverDerpy hugs and squees
17:57 <RazorSharpFang> This wouldn't bother me so much, but a lot of sociologists are also these kinds of metamodernists.
17:57 <RazorSharpFang> And so, you get weird publications of "scientific literature" like Feminist Glaciology.
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17:58 <CleverDerpy> Lumi~
17:58 * Lumi derps into existance
17:58 * Lumi loafs next to Derpy!
17:58 * CleverDerpy pets Lumi
17:58 <Lumi> imma loaf
17:58 * Lumi purr
17:59 <RazorSharpFang> Anyway, that's a run-down on postmodernism, and it's extreme, metamodernism, Schism
17:59 <CleverDerpy> you're a cute little bread loaf, yes you are~
17:59 * Lumi giggles
17:59 <Lumi> <3
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18:01 <Cepheid-mobile> Whee. Still waiting on the doctor.
18:02 * CleverDerpy snuggles up to the Lumi loaf
18:02 <Cepheid-mobile> Parents are annoying me. Asking if I am done yet every 30 minutes.
18:02 <Lumi> hehehe
18:02 * Lumi is a good snuggleloaf
18:04 <Lumi> how's derpy today?
18:07 <RazorSharpFang> Cepheid-mobile: They just ask because they care, or are bored. One of those.
18:07 <Cepheid-mobile> I keep telling them I'll call when I'm done. I'm not dying. Just battling three infections at once.
18:09 <Cepheid-mobile> Knowing my luck I am last on the list.
18:10 <RazorSharpFang> Ooh, Venezuela's inflation rate today is 844.22%. A new record!
18:11 <Cepheid-mobile> What's Canada?
18:12 <RazorSharpFang> Looks 1.6% now, average of 3.16% from 1915 until 2017.
18:12 <RazorSharpFang> Pretty stable.
18:12 <RazorSharpFang> All-time high of 21.6% in June 1920.
18:13 <Cepheid-mobile> Huh.
18:13 <RazorSharpFang> I wonder what happened in the 1920s.
18:14 <RazorSharpFang> "Great Depression" - Oh
18:14 <Cepheid-mobile> I guess the second depression wasn't as bad for Canada.
18:15 <RazorSharpFang> Wasn't that bad for us in Australia either, really, compared to the US.
18:15 * Cepheid-mobile chews on SunsetShimmers connection.
18:16 <SunsetShimmer> Nooo, I need that. :I
18:16 <SunsetShimmer> Doomfist is live
18:16 <Cepheid-mobile> *NomNomNomNom*
18:17 * SunsetShimmer flails
18:17 <SunsetShimmer> Ali, Cepheid-mobile's being meaaaaaaan! ;0;
18:17 * Ali boops SunsetShimmer nose and noms ear
18:17 <Cepheid-mobile> *ZapSizzle* X|
18:20 <Cepheid-mobile> And then there were 2 people left. Bets on who is next.
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18:24 <Cepheid-mobile> And the other person is doing math. Functions.
18:25 <RazorSharpFang> Me: "Why are these chips spicy?" Chips: Ingredients: Spices (Paprika, Chilli, Cumin)
18:26 <Schism> "I know of at least half a hundred ways to banish a spirit, ghost or dybbuk, a dozen ways to consecrate a room, five ways to ward against general evil, twelve means by which to render it difficult for anything to enter a room you own, and well over fifty sanctification and purification rituals. None of those do anything for lingering bad feelings."
18:26 <Schism> RSF: That sounds like my kind of chip.
18:26 <CleverDerpy> derpy is good
18:27 * Schism hugs the CleverDerpy.
18:27 * CleverDerpy purrs
18:27 * Schism also provides CleverDerpy with a corn muffin with honey and butter!
18:27 <RazorSharpFang> Schism: It's Doritos, Mexicana flavour. (Cultural appropriation lmao)
18:27 <Schism> Ah, just spicy tortillaish chips then.
18:28 * CleverDerpy noms the muffin, enjoying I lots
18:28 * Schism may have wandered to the store and gotten some habanero salsa. (They were out of the ghost pepper type.)
18:28 <Librarian> did you grow a mosutache when you ate them?
18:28 <Schism> Librarian: Darnit, now I'm having flashbacks to Dr. McNinja.
18:28 <Schism> Gordito and his moustache of awesome.
18:29 <Librarian> i have a literal mountain of paperwork to do owo
18:29 <Cepheid-mobile> And a person who just showed up minutes ago just went in before me and the other person.
18:29 <Schism> *facepalm* Well... did she have an appointment?
18:29 <Cepheid-mobile> What is this, a stack list and I'm at the bottom?
18:30 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Equestria Girls Book #10 Gets a Listing [ http://tinyurl.com/y7wcjfnj ]
18:30 <RazorSharpFang> No, it's a priority queue. :P
18:30 <Schism> Wait, you think that doctors' offices use anything as simple as a stack? You must be new.
18:30 <Cepheid-mobile> I... don't know. I don't recall him going to the front desk.
18:30 <Schism> First in, whatever-the-hell-order-we-want out.
18:30 <Cepheid-mobile> I should have listed my reason for visiting as "dying."
18:30 <Librarian> play dead
18:31 <Librarian> should make them see you faster
18:31 <Schism> If you'd put 'likely pneumonia infection' there it might have helped. Dying is something that people do every day.
18:31 <Cepheid-mobile> I can't do that. Too easy to tell I am breathing.
18:31 <RazorSharpFang> Cough up blood all over the floor, that'll get their attention.
18:31 <Cepheid-mobile> I have never in my life coughed up blood.
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18:32 <Cepheid-mobile> And I don't know how to do so on command.
18:32 <Schism> Nor I. Well, once when I lost a tooth. That's a bit of a different case, though.
18:32 <Schism> Next time, put 'systemic' on the form somewhere, that'll get their minds going.
18:32 <Cepheid-mobile> Closest I got is fresh blood in my sinuses and nasal cavity.
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18:33 <Cepheid-mobile> And I don't think they would appreciate me getting snot everywhere.
18:35 <Sombra> Where's my 3d printed burgers?
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18:37 <RazorSharpFang> Sombra: They've got a price-tag of $100 for now
18:37 <Librarian> make em yourself
18:37 <Librarian> easier and tastes better
18:37 <Cepheid-mobile> The girl doing math has her father hawking over her. He keeps doing all her work or fixing mistakes she makes.
18:41 <Schism> Perhaps you could offer your assistance in telling her what she seems to be missing?
18:41 <Schism> Sometimes it's something like an essential step which one just didn't quite grok.
18:44 <Cepheid-mobile> Her father is apparently a masters in math. He is sitting right next to her.
18:44 <Schism> Huh.
18:44 <Cepheid-mobile> Also I am finally in the room waiting for the doctor.
18:44 <Schism> Also, yay. Now for another 20-minute wait.
18:45 <Cepheid-mobile> I am gonna disconnect. Conserve battery which is at 13%
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18:46 <Schism> Power outlets exist... but I suppose it's undoubtedly a little rude to tap into the doctor's office's outlets, especially if they're coloured red.
18:49 <Schism> "He doesn't think he's God, no. He thinks he's Ender Wiggin."
18:53 <Schism> "There are also several caveats to my knowledge of how to sanctify, sanction, ward or cleanse a room, and chief amongst them is this: permission has to be given by the owner." "But the library is a public--ooohg."
18:58 <Librarian> miitopia is delightfully funny
18:58 <Librarian> i had flowey asa mayor, shrek as a villager and a bald bearded child
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19:06 <Librarian> cleverderpy
19:06 <Librarian> not here
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19:20 <Cepheid-mobile> Pneumonia.
19:21 <Schism> Unsurprising.
19:21 <Cepheid-mobile> Got a prescription for it. Should clear up in 10 days or so.
19:22 <Schism> That's still a freakin' ton of suffering, but at least you have what you need to clear it up however briefly.
19:22 <Cepheid-mobile> Doctor was confused about one detail though. No fever.
19:25 <Cepheid-mobile> Now for a late lunch. Bagel with cream cheese and some soup. From Tim hortons.
19:26 <Cepheid-mobile> On the up side, my pressure is returning to normal. 127 over 94. Better than 156 over 98.
19:26 <Schism> That is pretty decent pressure.
19:27 <Schism> I think the established norm for diatolic/systolic is something like 120/70.
19:27 <Cepheid-mobile> Could still be better. But I am losing weight inexplicably so that might be helping.
19:27 <Schism> That's not inexplicable, that's due to your high blood sugars.
19:28 <Cepheid-mobile> I mean the weight loss is inexplicable. A high blood pressure I knew was from the diabetes.
19:28 <Schism> No, I mean it. When you've got a high blood sugar for a long while, and ketones to boot, the fat just melts away.
19:28 <Schism> Right up until you have a BMI of 12 and you die.
19:29 <Cepheid-mobile> Heh.
19:29 <Schism> When I go into ketoacidosis, I become freakin' skeletal.
19:30 <Cepheid-mobile> Huh. Well as it is I doubt that will happen. I am fat to begin with. 230lbs now.
19:30 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Comic Dubs: Sweater Meme / Life's Purpose / More Bad.. / Jack of all.. / Trixie's Big Chance [ http://tinyurl.com/yb9kzenw ]
19:31 <Cepheid-mobile> It would take a lot of fat melting or burning to put me at risk.
19:31 <Cepheid-mobile> Anyway phone is now almost dead. I'll talk again at home.
19:31 <Schism> Were you able to charge it in the office?
19:32 <Schism> Anyway, catch ya soon.
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19:38 <Librarian> netsplit?
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19:38 <Braixen> im gonna say yes
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19:47 <Cepheid> Back back.
19:47 <Cepheid> Oh yeah, on top of the pneumonia, both eardrums are inflamed. Doctor was surprised I didn't feel any pain.
19:47 <Cepheid> Probably confirms that the infection from my early years of life just killed off all the nerves.
19:47 <Schism> Yeah...
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19:49 <Schism> "I was surprised when even the most recondite aspects of our little guild were willing to take part in my little scheme. Ambassadors they might be, but most of them did not do 'flamboyant', let alone 'eye-searing'. Nonetheless, I wasn't going to complain. A harmless prank felt like the best way to express my disapproval of the whole nobility."
19:50 <Schism> "And so it was that I attended the Gala in a pink and green chequered dress with an orange feather boa."
19:51 <Schism> "Philomena, of course, provided many of the feathers, so that I could burst into flames upon command."
19:53 <Cepheid> Burst into flames and then find ones self naked.
19:54 <Schism> Of course. In the middle of a ballroom? How better to make a statement?
19:54 <Cepheid> http://forums.monomipark.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4514
19:54 <Schism> !!
19:54 <Schism> Darnit! I don't have the money but now I want one!
19:56 <Schism> Cepheid: http://threepanelsoul.com/
19:57 <Cepheid> Only problem is that they're from WeLoveFine.
19:57 <Cepheid> So basically, expect price gouging extroardinary.
19:58 <Schism> Yea...
19:58 <Cepheid> And such lame excuses for it too.
19:58 <Schism> Like I said, I don't have the money. And that is why I do not already possess a plush Ultros.
19:58 <Cepheid> "Shipping to other countries is expensive." WE LIVE TO THE NORTH OF YOU, YOU *YAY*!
19:59 <Schism> So, Cepheid. Shall we try the Turning Coil unsynced with like four members?
19:59 <Schism> Oh, and how'd the colouring go?
19:59 * Cepheid thinks for a moment. He was gonna go to bed when he got home, but is now debating if that is a good or bad idea right now.
20:00 <Schism> Well, it is only 4 PM.
20:00 <Cepheid> That's part of why I'm debating.
20:01 <Cepheid> Like, on one hand, I *SHOULD* get some sleep and rest. But on the other hand, it's too early.
20:01 <Cepheid> .... Okay, but no later than 8 PM. Seriously, this time.
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20:41 <Cepheid> I really, really need to lay down and rest.
20:41 <Cepheid> I feel like I've been tossed around and then dragged across the city on a chain by a car.
20:42 <Cepheid> I'll be back later tonight, or tomorrow. Not sure which.
20:43 <Schism|Nocturne> Sleep is good...
20:43 <Librarian> have a nice rest
20:43 <Schism|Nocturne> Rest well, then, Cephy, and I hope you feel better soon.
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20:43 <Schism> At least Luna looks pretty good.
20:44 <Schism> Midnight purple, even. o3o
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20:46 <Schism> I'm going to pop off for a few as well, do up the dishes and make some pigs-inna-blanket.
20:49 <Schism> Or I would if my brother would flippin' CLEAN UP AFTER HIMSELF and not leave food-encrusted dishes in his wake.
20:49 <Schism> Dishes have to soak.
20:53 <RazorSharpFang> Consider talking to your brother, letting him know that he needs to clean his dishes.
20:56 <Schism> I'm just going to let him know that it's not that difficult to run a little water over them and let them pre-soak.
20:59 <RazorSharpFang> Have a heart-to-heart discussion about the dishes, their application and the application of the prisoner's dilemma to them, making clear that the actions he chooses to make, both consciously and unconsciously have far-reaching ramifications.
21:04 <Schism> He'd call horseapples on word two, and he'd be perfectly right in doing so.
21:05 <RazorSharpFang> What makes you think it'd be right to do so?
21:05 <Schism> Because he's currently working and I am seeking a job.
21:05 <RazorSharpFang> I don't think that's a justification for being sloppy
21:06 <RazorSharpFang> Especially when dealing with shared spaces and utilities
21:06 <RazorSharpFang> Now if those were his plates that he purchased, then maybe that'd be a bit different.
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21:06 <Schism> Neh, it's not, but it's a small enough concern. That having been said, he also does not have the right to complain when he uses up all the ice in the trays and then tells me that I'm repsonsible for filling them.
21:06 <RazorSharpFang> But I'm assuming they're sort-of communal dishes.
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21:07 <RazorSharpFang> To me, it just sounds like he's taking advantage of you and you're the loser in this dilemma.
21:07 <Schism> Meh. It's fine. I'm just griping about nonsense. The ice thing is more an annoyance.
21:07 <RazorSharpFang> Then consider working this out between you so you can stop losing.
21:08 * Schism nods. "One thing I will ask him to do is to rinse out the damned blender when he uses it."
21:08 <RazorSharpFang> If anything, it's going to make you bitter and resentful if you don't sort it out, and it's a shame to be like that to family.
21:09 <Schism> We both try and get along, and provide foodstuffs and whatnot. I don't want this whole situation to turn toxic. While he has his own political views and I have mine, we don't genuinely clash over them.
21:09 <Schism> So we both dance on our own eggshells.
21:09 <RazorSharpFang> This isn't about politics. This is about practical utility and pragmatism.
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21:10 <Schism> Yeah, and I will be asking him to at least rinse out the blender's container.
21:10 <Schism> And clean things off, that sort of thing. Little details which just turn out to be pretty essential in the end.
21:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Remix Music: Daniel Ingram - The Spectacle (アイスベア Remix) [UK Hardcore] / DJT & Rusyd Rosman - Breathing Space (Einarx Remix) [Electro] [ http://tinyurl.com/y76r3osx ]
21:10 <RazorSharpFang> Oh, and when you do, be sure to not be rude/mad/etc, people are emotional beings and you have a decent amount of agency in crafting how people react to your message.
21:11 <Schism> Well, yeah. I mean, next he does up his smoothies, I'll just ask him to rinse out the blender after doing so.
21:11 <Schism> Make it a bit easier to clean up.
21:12 <Schism> It's not really that much of an issue, just those little things which can contribute to a tense situation.
21:12 <RazorSharpFang> Well, what is a situation if not the summation of all its components?
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21:12 <Schism> Mmyup.
21:13 <Schism> This is how people learn to deal with each other, instead of stabbing each other in the throat with sharpened bones for a small hiccup.
21:13 <RazorSharpFang> Truthfully, I'm surprised that doesn't happen more often.
21:13 <RazorSharpFang> And I'm a pessimist again lol
21:13 <Schism> It's kinda the go-to measure, isn't it?
21:14 <RazorSharpFang> Well, it's the natural reaction, I guess.
21:14 <Schism> A playful pessimist is a much better source of knowledge than an unbridled optimist.
21:15 <Schism> How'd that old saw go again? The optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears he's right.
21:17 <RazorSharpFang> Can't say I've heard of that one
21:19 <Schism> Really? It's been around for a while.
21:19 <RazorSharpFang> My entire country is under a rock. :P
21:20 <Schism> Yeah, yeah, and if Turnbull gets his way, it'll sit there for another 50 years.
21:20 <RazorSharpFang> I'm a bit too removed from Aus' politics, care to elaborate briefly?
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21:21 <Schism> Certainly. In exactly five words: the man is a pillock.
21:21 <RazorSharpFang> Okay, but I already knew that.
21:21 <Schism> Do you really need to know more?
21:22 <RazorSharpFang> Well, you got me curious now. Gotta take responsibility for that.
21:22 <Schism> I already pointed out his statement that the laws of mathematics do not take precedence over the laws of Australia. That should be enough.
21:22 <RazorSharpFang> Oh, that thing.
21:22 <RazorSharpFang> I thought you were talking about something new.
21:23 <RazorSharpFang> Like, a new dump of stupidity.
21:23 <Schism> Why bother when there's so much precedent?
21:23 <RazorSharpFang> The butt will always produce more poop.
21:23 <RazorSharpFang> It will never be done producing poop.
21:23 <RazorSharpFang> No matter how big a dump it makes.
21:24 <Schism> Ladies and gentlemen, the epitome of political discourse.
21:24 <RazorSharpFang> Well, it's the opposite of "The stomach always eats, but is never satisfied, and will always be hungry again"
21:25 <Schism> That wasn't actually sarcastic, either. :S
21:25 <RazorSharpFang> :S
21:25 <Schism> I think none of us are particularly happy with politicians right now.
21:26 <RazorSharpFang> I dunno, I can see some pro-EU people being happy about being in the EU, but maybe less about the current state of the EU, but is that necessarily the fault of the politicians?
21:27 <Schism> Hmmm...
21:28 <RazorSharpFang> Remember that just because something bad happens doesn't mean you can point the finger at any person, or any number of people for that matter and say "This is YOUR fault"
21:28 <Schism> Yes and no, they are after all the representatives of the people, and as such, they take on the sins of the folks who voted for them.
21:28 <SunsetShimmer> It's cathartic, misinformed or not.
21:29 <RazorSharpFang> Yes, but it's not pragmatic, nor helpful externally.
21:29 <Schism> They don't deserve the whole course of blame, but they do deserve to nom down on some of that crap sandwich.
21:29 <SunsetShimmer> People aren't always pragmatically minded
21:29 <SunsetShimmer> and thats not going to change.
21:29 <Schism> Much as we might otherwise desire.
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21:32 <RazorSharpFang> Speaking of taking on sins, one of the things I detest is the attribution of sins of the father to the son, and likewise for other genders of both and vice-versa.
21:32 <Schism> Politicians in a democracy, representative or otherwise, make a point of working to sway their voters towards their side. In the case of the US, Great Britain, Canada, and Australia, those politicians are at least slightly complicit in their voters' activities.
21:33 <Schism> I do agree with you there, RSF.
21:33 <Schism> One person's actions should not necessarily reflect upon another's.
21:34 <RazorSharpFang> I saw this one tweet on twitter, and it just brought out of me overwhelmingly negative emotions of anger.
21:35 <RazorSharpFang> This one person posted a picture of Banon trump, and said "If you could go back in time and could kill hitler as a child, would you? That's how I feel about Banon." I thought to myself "You psychopath"
21:37 <Schism> No, that child has done nothing wrong in any sense, and that's seriously broken.
21:37 <RazorSharpFang> And then, after walking away from the keyboard for a few minutes, I remarked to myself "People are capable of justifying anything to themselves. Anything, given the right circumstances"
21:37 <RazorSharpFang> And boy, that's a dark line of thinking.
21:37 <SunsetShimmer> Also not a new one
21:38 <RazorSharpFang> I'm high in neuroticism, so dark thoughts are nothing new to me, not even remotely, but even I thought that was kinda dark.
21:38 <Schism> If one could go back in time to eliminate a certain orange-haired president from the timestream, on the grounds that it would make the world a better place, I would still want to know the justification for such an action.
21:38 <SunsetShimmer> humanity has always quietly nurtured it's dark side.
21:38 <SunsetShimmer> I'd just go back in time and let them know what he does
21:38 <Schism> That wouldn't stop him.
21:38 <SunsetShimmer> Would stop them voting him
21:39 <SunsetShimmer> quite a few regretful voters out there now
21:39 <Schism> I dunno bout that, SS. They'd probably still vote in ridiculous numbers.
21:39 <SunsetShimmer> We'll never know
21:39 <RazorSharpFang> Don't forget that you'll have to convince them that you're from the future.
21:39 <RazorSharpFang> Before the future happens too.
21:40 <Schism> The sooner that little chimpanzee is bereft of the White House and the federal funds used to bring him to his many golf courses, the better.
21:40 <Schism> Pardon. I'm a bit salty tonight.
21:41 <RazorSharpFang> And what, have Mike (Zap the gays) Pence in charge? Or are you a believer of the "Here's how Bernie could still win the election!" ?
21:41 <Schism> I am frankly looking forward to the point where the entire administration is once and for all shown to be complicit in the obliteration of Western democracy.
21:42 <Schism> It'll never happen, but I can look forward to it anyway.
21:42 <RazorSharpFang> To be fair, the DNC hack was pretty revealing in that sort of way.
21:42 <RazorSharpFang> So, there's some evidence of hope.
21:42 <Schism> Happened about 50 years ago with Nixon, too.
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21:45 <SunsetShimmer> You know whats more depressing? Knowing that the emoji movie will make money from people going to see it ironically.
21:45 <RazorSharpFang> Not necessarily, but possibly.
21:46 <Starlight_Glimmer> I wouldn't even watch it if I didn't have to pay
21:47 <Schism> Never even considered it. City of a Thousand Planets was tempting, but no...
21:48 <Schism> The Emoji movie. Honestly. What the hell, were they thinking that Wreck-It Ralph was actually a genre starter?
21:48 <Schism> And that they could just... latch on?
21:48 <Librarian> yep
21:48 <Librarian> like a lamprey
21:48 <Starlight_Glimmer> Wreck-It Ralph was quite good imho
21:49 <Schism> Oh, Wreck-It Ralph was awesome and win.
21:49 <Starlight_Glimmer> But I don't see how an emoji movie could work
21:49 <Braixen> i also loved wreck-it ralph Cause im a gamer~
21:49 <Braixen> ...
21:49 <Schism> Were they maybe focusing too on 'Inside Out'?
21:49 <Braixen> did you say emoji move?
21:49 <RazorSharpFang> Yes, because it was well-written, with engaging characters, and cohesive plot-line, with good character design and paid due respect to their source materials.
21:49 <Starlight_Glimmer> Because the whole charm of Wreck-It Ralph was it's retro character combined with a classic video game story
21:50 <SunsetShimmer> Braixen, this has been a thing known about since last year and talked on a lot
21:50 <SunsetShimmer> also Wreck it 2 will be about the internet
21:50 <SunsetShimmer> so thats happening
21:50 <Braixen> tsk
21:50 <Schism> Wreck-It Ralph had a lot of charms, and while storyline-wise, it was pretty boilerplate, it really did things well.
21:51 <Schism> You'd not normally expect it to be so interesting.
21:51 <Schism> In that sense, I would normally give the Emoji movie a little bit of leeway, but... its basis is so damned venal that I can't even afford it a nod.
21:52 <RazorSharpFang> Rather, how can they copyright characters literally based on a unicode standard.
21:52 <SunsetShimmer> More the images they use for it
21:53 <Starlight_Glimmer> Yeah the unicode standard only defines what the character should portray
21:53 <Starlight_Glimmer> The emojis you see are actually done by someone else
21:54 <Starlight_Glimmer> See the pile of poop emoji was actually supposed to only be a pile of poop without a face
21:54 <Starlight_Glimmer> </factsNobodyNeedsToKnow>
21:56 <Schism> The whole thing is ridiculous. That having been said, the LEGO movie was good.
21:56 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, but the lego movie literally had batman.
21:56 <Starlight_Glimmer> Well that was also largely based on stuff already done by the community anyway
21:57 <Starlight_Glimmer> I think even most of the plot was ripped of straight from a fan made movie
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22:00 <Schism> Oh yeah, RazorSharpFang, just asked my brother to rinse out the blender after using it. He agreed readily.
22:00 <RazorSharpFang> Oh that was easy lol
22:00 <Schism> Sometimes, the easy solution is worth trying. :3
22:05 <Schism> I used the term 'murdalize' in a room full of English language majors and none of them corrected me.
22:06 <RazorSharpFang> What has the world come to
22:06 <Schism> I'm not sure if that's wrong or not.
22:06 <RazorSharpFang> True prescriptivists would chew your ear off for that.
22:06 <Schism> I fail to see why; it's a perfectly cromulent word.
22:07 <RazorSharpFang> Prescriptivists chew out everyone for almost anything.
22:07 <RazorSharpFang> They take issue with using "They" as a third-person-gender-neutral pronoun.
22:07 <Schism> Before we get recursive, I'm going to keep doing the dishes.
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22:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Poll Results: What Are You Most Excited For with the MLP Movie? [ http://tinyurl.com/y8u8zrme ]
22:11 <Librarian> popcorn
22:11 <Librarian> owo
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22:37 <Librarian> im really tired
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22:48 <Librarian> derpyyyyy
22:48 <Librarian> owo
22:48 <CleverDerpy> hiya~
22:48 <Librarian> i need a hug, im tired
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22:55 <Starlight_Glimmer> Amazon is doing free evening express here again
22:56 <Starlight_Glimmer> For Prime members anyway
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23:13 <Schism> Freakin' NOM.
23:13 <Schism> Pigs in a blanket... with honey mustard. Good honey, good mustard.
23:14 <RazorSharpFang> You know, given how negative I was earlier, I want to share some positivity, so here it is.
23:14 <RazorSharpFang> The UN set a goal by 2015 (maybe) to cut poverty in half. We completed it two years earlier than the goal. Over the past 15 years we've lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty.
23:15 <RazorSharpFang> There we go, that's my daily positivity.
23:16 <Schism> I, uh...
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23:17 <Schism> RSF, we've escalated the lives of millions upon millions of people.
23:19 <Schism> Huge benefit, no argument. And now I should get some rest.
23:19 <RazorSharpFang> Sleep well
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23:23 <Schism> Not quite asleep yet...
23:24 <Schism> RSF: Broccoli. Do you think it's palatable in cheese sauce with salsa?
23:27 <RazorSharpFang> I eat just plain broccoli, man.
23:27 <RazorSharpFang> It's already palatable.
23:27 <RazorSharpFang> Just boiled, or steamed, and nom.
23:27 <RazorSharpFang> I legitimately just ate two bowels of broccoli.
23:28 <RazorSharpFang> I'm the wrong person to ask for cooking advice, because I cook for myself, and I don't care all that much about taste.
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