00:00 * Thelema5 goes away
00:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Novel Idea: NaPoWriMo Interview: Aragon on Comedy [ http://tinyurl.com/y8ukr657 ]
00:00 * Schism offers the Thelema5 some granola with raisins, honey, dates, sliced almonds, and whole milk.
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00:08 * Thelema5 thanks Schism
00:08 * Thelema5 also welcomes KooK
00:10 <KooK> Hey Thelema5
00:10 <Librarian> reached my limit for the day owo
00:16 <Thelema5> What's new, KooK?
00:17 <Librarian> whats new pussycat
00:17 <Librarian> woah woaaaah
00:17 <Thelema5> XD
00:18 <Librarian> this hour of the day demands drawing owo
00:18 <Librarian> im working on perfecting head proportions, then i work my way down
00:18 <Thelema5> Doo eet
00:18 <Librarian> in about 40 minutes
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00:20 * Thelema5 sighs
00:20 <Thelema5> KooK is one of my favorite people, it's sad when hejust disappears
00:22 <ADragonDreaming> his dog ate his router.
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00:23 <KooK> Thelema5 I'm just running around here
00:23 <KooK> I'm at my dads right now :P
00:23 <Librarian> owo
00:24 <Thelema5> Makes sense
00:25 <KooK> Although I do that a lot anyway, sorry
00:25 <Thelema5> No worries
00:26 * Thelema5 is eating stewed turnip
00:28 <Thelema5> It's an oldschool vegetable no one eats anymore; I've decided to be it's champion XD
00:31 <Schism> Turnips are pretty awesome. >.>
00:32 <Thelema5> I recently learned that I love them XD
00:32 <Schism> Randomly: Hasbro, why... http://tinyurl.com/yapt8sq9
00:32 * Thelema5 gags
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00:33 * Filly_Nightmares berps at Schism and eees at FedoraMane!
00:34 <Schism> !link eeee
00:34 <DerpyBot> https://derpibooru.org/1290644
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00:42 <KooK> brb, I need to go oil my dog real quick
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00:44 <Librarian> why would you oil a doggie?
00:45 <Thelema5> Maybe to treat excessive dander?
00:45 * Thelema5 shrugs
00:46 * Thelema5 continues to prepare for Thanksgiving
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00:47 <KooK> baaack
00:47 <Thelema5> (It's a major holiday in the US which involves several days of cooking)
00:47 <KooK> I'm just having Thanksgiving with my dad this year
00:47 <Thelema5> Welcome back
00:47 <Librarian> why do you oil da doggie kook?
00:47 <KooK> Because he squeaks
00:47 <Librarian> ?
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00:48 <Thelema5> Me too, it'll be odd because my sister and her family refuse to spend the holiday with our father
00:48 <Librarian> was thta a joke or serious biznezz
00:48 <Thelema5> So our family will be split
00:48 <Librarian> we dont have anbythinh like thansgiving
00:48 <Librarian> wish we did
00:49 <Thelema5> It's a good holiday, my favorite really
00:49 <Schism> Isn't the Day of the Virgin of Guadalupe a pretty big event?
00:50 <Librarian> only if you are catholic
00:51 <Librarian> rest of us is a hassle, lotsa traffic aroun the area
00:51 <Thelema5> Blech
00:51 <Librarian> i only care for frre day holydays reallu
00:51 <Thelema5> Huh? Please explain
00:52 <Schism> Public holidays, ITYM.
00:52 <Thelema5> Huh
00:52 <Schism> The ones where the whole city is shut down.
00:52 <Librarian> if i dontget the day off i dont bother witht the holiday
00:52 <Thelema5> Makes sense
00:53 <Librarian> we have a deep love of puentes, in this case you know it as long weekends
00:53 <Librarian> those i love
00:54 <Librarian> once when i was like 12, we got most of the week off
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00:54 <Thelema5> The US tradition of "Thanksgiving" is a harvest festival, where everyone celebrates the bounty of the harvest by eating lots of great stuff before the long winter famine
00:55 <Thelema5> As such, families gather and feast, usually with every member contributing a dish or two
00:56 <Thelema5> It's really the only time I actually meet up with my father and his partner, awful people I can't usually stand
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00:56 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> People are attacking Levar Burton on twitter.
00:56 <Thelema5> O.o
00:56 <Thelema5> Why?
00:57 <Thelema5> He's awesome.
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00:57 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/angry-trump-fans-yelling-levar-burton-not-lavar-ball-article-1.3649534
00:57 <Thelema5> Pft
00:57 <Thelema5> "Trump fans"
00:58 <Thelema5> Disregard
00:58 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> They so dumb.
00:59 <Thelema5> Apparently
00:59 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> !link https://youtu.be/NV0J0lseoq4
00:59 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
00:59 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Ed Edd n Eddy Eddy's Brother battle with healthbar
00:59 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> The best battle ever.
01:00 * Schism opens a briefcase, peering for a moment at the yellow-glowing contents. Then he shuts the briefcase.
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01:01 * Filly_Nightmares licks Schism's briefcase!
01:01 <DashedRainbows> Sigh
01:01 * Schism keeps the briefcase away from Filly_Nightmares! It needs to go to Marcellus Wallace.
01:01 <DashedRainbows> I fell asleep again
01:02 * Filly_Nightmares pushes her head into Schism's floof belly!
01:02 * Schism patpats, and serves Filly_Nightmares some buttermilk pancakes!
01:03 * Filly_Nightmares nom nom nom nom noms the pancakes! She eeees happily!
01:03 * DashedRainbows brushes Filly_Nightmares
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01:11 * Schism rolls over and boops the sofapone with some spicy breakfast sausage and oatcakes.
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01:17 * Hat gets collaterally boop'd
01:17 * Schism instead passes Hat some tuna alfredo noodles with extra parmesan cheese.
01:17 * DashedRainbows hats on Hat
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01:19 <Hat> I've already had two cans of tuna today :O
01:19 <DashedRainbows> I could use one of Pinkie's parties
01:20 <Hat> The Pinkie party is always going on, in each of our souls
01:20 <DashedRainbows> Mine died today
01:21 <Hat> How can I help?
01:22 <DashedRainbows> That's a good question
01:23 <Hat> There's not much I can do over IRC unfortunately but I hope at least whatever your circumstances are that they improve
01:24 <DashedRainbows> I have a feeling that I'll always be unhappy
01:28 <Hat> Not everything has to be solved. At least be unhappy if that's how it is going to be. No point in denying your own reality. Just learn it.
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01:32 <DashedRainbows> That's all well and good but it doesn't feel good
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01:33 <Schism> This is my life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD7aL_HYH4g
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01:41 <KooK_> yawnage
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01:43 <KooK> super yawnage
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02:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1266 [ http://tinyurl.com/ycv4evsf ]
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02:46 <Schism> Hum... think I might dry some apples for to make apple cinnamon oatmeal cookies. o3o;
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03:13 <Schism> Downside to drying apples without a humidifier: It takes freakin' forever.
03:23 <DashedRainbows> woo 15k!
03:23 * DashedRainbows writes on Ali
03:24 * Ali squeaks
03:26 * DashedRainbows uses such a small font that the full novel fits on her coat
03:26 <Fn> Schism, you can put them into oven on weak heat
03:27 <Fn> You can also freeze-dry or use a vacuum chamber
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03:30 <Golden> Good night everyone
03:31 <Fn> Durn
03:31 <Fn> My ANN just derped instead of replying
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03:31 <Fn> I need to make a reboot sometime today
03:32 <Schism> Fn: Yeah, I'm doing the oven route. 200F for an hour or two.
03:33 <Schism> After I let them soak in lemon juice for half an hour, that is.
03:33 <Fn> Oh, you could let them dehydrate in alcohol and then somehow get rid of alcohol
03:34 <Fn> Or not
03:34 <Fn> I heard some people like them that way
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03:34 <Schism> Aye, but don't have everclear, so.
03:35 * Schism shrugs, "In any event."
03:38 <Schism> Some of these slices are thicker than others, but all things considered... I think that this'll work.
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04:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Bonus Music #100 - A State Of Sugar Edition! [ http://tinyurl.com/y9q94heo ]
04:15 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by The Illustrious Q: EXCLUSIVE: My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic #63 Revealed—Synposis, Artists, and Writer! [ http://tinyurl.com/y7csh2bq ]
04:16 * Schism waits impatiently for these apples to finish. They'll be a few hours...
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04:30 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by The Illustrious Q: EXCLUSIVE: My Little Pony: Legends of Magic #11 Revealed—Synposis, Artists, and Writer! [ http://tinyurl.com/y8vy5r4r ]
04:32 * Filly_Nightmares noses Schism and floofs
04:34 * rhg135 gives Filly_Nightmares a mango
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04:45 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by The Illustrious Q: EXCLUSIVE: Hasbro Toybox Quarterly: Fun for All Revealed—Season 7 Finale Tie-in! [ http://tinyurl.com/ycebrap4 ]
04:50 * Schism reads about Big Mac delivering an order of cider to an entirely different Mac -- the one from the Dresden Files. Both are big but silent.
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05:01 <Schism> Ahh, apples are now half-dried... and so far so tasty.
05:05 * Schism also offers the pones some fried sausages with mustard and saurkraut. o3o
05:08 <rhg135> Yum
05:12 * Snapai howdy, belatedly
05:13 * Schism waves to the snapdrgn.
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06:00 <rhg135> Yay
06:01 * Schism boops Thelema5 with some of these dried apples.
06:02 <Schism> Two dried apples, to be chopped up and thrown into oatmeal cookies. o3o
06:03 <Thelema5> Well done!
06:04 <Schism> On the grounds that we have no raisins.
06:06 <Thelema5> !link https://youtu.be/VUoMKuHwSjQ
06:06 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
06:06 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Spike Jones - Yes! We Have No Bananas (original 78 rpm)
06:06 * rhg135 decides to draw on Thelema5 in crayon to unwind
06:07 * Schism isn't in Scranton, PA.
06:07 <Schism> (And I do have bananas.)
06:07 <rhg135> My hooves hurt :(
06:09 <Thelema5> Too much writing>
06:09 <Thelema5> ?
06:10 <rhg135> Only 2k words today
06:10 <Thelema5> That's a lot
06:16 <rhg135> Nah
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06:16 <rhg135> 15k hype
06:16 <Jahnesta> Morning
06:17 * rhg135 curls up on Jahnesta
06:17 <Thelema5> Hi there
06:17 * Jahnesta huggies you :D
06:17 <Jahnesta> Hai
06:18 * rhg135 yawns
06:18 <rhg135> I have a doctor appointment today
06:18 <Jahnesta> :0
06:19 <Jahnesta> Good luck!
06:19 <rhg135> Stupid dea
06:19 <Jahnesta> :/
06:19 <rhg135> All I need are meds
06:20 <Jahnesta> And he's gonna check if you need more or less or different ones or something?
06:20 <rhg135> I just need to yeah
06:21 <rhg135> This is for something else
06:21 <rhg135> Neuropathy :(
06:21 <Jahnesta> Hope it goes all right!
06:22 <Jahnesta> I'll better be off now, later ponies
06:22 <rhg135> The problem is the drug of choice for that happens to be scheduled in the US
06:22 <rhg135> Bai
06:23 * Jahnesta Baps rhg135 's nose
06:24 <Thelema5> Same, but time will tell if CBD helps for me
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06:24 * rhg135 licks her nose
06:24 <Thelema5> Also, robert picardo did a cameo on The Orville, so take that!
06:25 <rhg135> Lyrica, I meant. That other one is even harder to get
06:32 * rhg135 should go to sleep. She yawns and curls up. Good night.
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07:02 <Schism> Hum. Drying apples takes a longer time than I expected, probably in part because there are so many of them...
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07:07 <Fn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cEVatzkAO4
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07:16 <Schism> Huh. So the peanut butter center of Reese's cups is a type of halva. I should have recognized that.
07:23 <Snapai> https://twitter.com/Snapai/status/933234000516104192
07:27 * Schism notes, "Oh yeah, Snapai, 'Beep Beep' was marked as #2 on EQD's list of the top 10 CMC vids, ever."
07:27 <Snapai> yay!
07:28 * Schism also snrks at Snapai wanting to block Cortana. "I agree."
07:29 <Snapai> I don't normally draw pone anymore, but I doodled three tonight
07:29 <Snapai> Actually doodled 5 but two of them didn't really turn out well enough XD
07:30 * Schism nods, and also thinks Wheely Bopper is one of the best OCs out there still. o3o
07:31 <Snapai> I have this fanfic concept...not really a fic because it doesn't have characters or plot.
07:32 <Snapai> Just....in an attempt to carve out a setting, thought of like, if there were guard towers for the old castle that got spacefolded away when everfree fell, and one is smack dab in the middle of ponyville.
07:32 <Snapai> Spacefolded, sort of a "somebody else's problem" field.
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07:33 <Snapai> You'd never notice it was there, but it drives cartographers crazy because the maps never line up correctly no matter how carefully you survey, because there's a big star shaped chunk (walls, buttresses, entrances) missing.
07:33 <Snapai> anyways, time for more sleep.
07:33 *** Snapai is now known as Sleepai
07:35 <Sleepai> https://twitter.com/Snapai/status/933230673011163136
07:35 <Sleepai> https://twitter.com/Snapai/status/933229139410092032
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07:39 * Schism also bookmarks the comic '1,000'.
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07:41 <Schism> Also, it is awesome that evidently Snapai runs in similar circles to the wonderful Dana C. Simpson. o3o
07:44 * Schism blinks... "Okay wow. So the city of Tenochtitlán was founded in 1325 AD. That is... much more recent than I expected."
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08:02 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
08:03 * Koopz throws a llama at a random deviant, receives a citation from the bible as reward
08:04 <ConfusionRift> "You shall be pelted with llamas!"
08:05 <Koopz> i think i've seen everything on deviantArt now... from old crossdressers to people with various kinks... furries are nothing compared to those
08:06 <Fn> I am engaged
08:06 <Fn> ...in procrastination
08:06 <Fn> Funny how engrish wurks
08:07 <Fn> Deviant is a magical place
08:07 <Fn> Also very special
08:08 <ConfusionRift> Have you seen a llama on a parka singing "Singing in the Rain" on the Eiffel Tower in the middle of a Tuesday during a lightning storm?
08:08 <Fn> I haven't, but I suspect someone drawn it somewhere
08:09 <ConfusionRift> Llllieeees!
08:12 <Koopz> what Fn says
08:12 <Koopz> truth hath been spoketh
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08:18 <ConfusionRift> A chopper?
08:18 <Fn> https://pics.onsizzle.com/outside-magazine-outside-magazine-23h-no-better-way-to-get-19847482.png
08:18 <Fn> Nothing like releasing an article with false advertising
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08:21 <Schism> Fn: Hah! I like that.
08:28 <Tirek> Greetings.
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08:29 <ConfusionRift> Hola!
08:30 <Tirek> 47 words now.
08:30 <Tirek> All the new words are grammatical tense particles for verbs.
08:31 <Tirek> Of which there's the three chronological tenses, habitual tense, perfect tense, continuous tense, progressive tense, anticipative tense, desiring tense, and negation
08:32 <Tirek> You'd never want to use all of them, obviously, but if you tried, you might get a sentence that looks like this: "\nomen \tson /len /pa /ta |su \no \ji \ni |nye"
08:32 <Tirek> Which means "Habitually, I am expecting to and am wanting to will have not been sleeping while not being asleep"
08:36 <ConfusionRift> You then had been but were it refrigerator hummus rando jingle jangle.
08:38 <ConfusionRift> I talk bueno.
08:40 <ConfusionRift> But yeah, that's like redundantly reduntant.
08:40 <ConfusionRift> *redundant
08:44 <Tirek> Using every tense just spits out garbage, yeah.
08:45 <Tirek> Though, even with tense particles, if you provide enough context through conversation, in a lot of cases, you won't need to provide any tenses to precisely define what you mean.
08:48 <Tirek> I still need to figure out how I want to do nouns and such.
08:48 <Tirek> And whether or not we'll use adjectives, or just drop adjectives in favor of using nouns like adjectives as well.
08:54 <ConfusionRift> Hmmmm.
08:58 <ConfusionRift> I think that adding adjectives might make it more complex, then again would also make it more detailed.
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09:00 <Tirek> In a few constructed languages I know, a noun also is an adjective.
09:00 <Tirek> So you would just put the modifier noun after the base noun to indicate that.
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09:12 <ConfusionRift> That's rather odd.
09:13 <ConfusionRift> Oh wait, no. It does make sense.
09:16 <Tirek> The way I'd see it working is having an adjective particle that comes after the string of modifier nouns so as not to confuse with the sentence object.
09:17 <Tirek> Or something like that.
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09:18 <Tirek> Or maybe a particle that denotes the beginning of the subject/object.
09:18 <Tirek> Something that'd only be necessary if adjective nouns are used in that sentence at all.
09:20 <Tirek> I might also end up using nouns to take the place of adverbs too.
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09:33 <ConfusionRift> Okay, now that one would be odd.
09:40 <Tirek> Language is hard, man.
09:40 <Tirek> You don't really realize it until you're making one up.
09:43 <ConfusionRift> It is, it really is.
09:45 <ConfusionRift> Many think that making a language is more of making noises and trying to make a foundation with matchsticks and plastic. It's more to that with grammar coherence, structure, accents, etc.
09:49 <Koopz> and emotions
09:50 <Koopz> do the Elcor of Mass Effect o3o prepend every sentence with how you feel because you can't express feelings otherwise
09:51 <Tirek> Nah.
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10:09 <Schism> Amused. Some robotic races speak like this.
10:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by The Illustrious Q: EXCLUSIVE: My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic #63 Revealed—Synposis, Artists, and Writer! [ http://tinyurl.com/y7csh2bq ]
10:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by The Illustrious Q: EXCLUSIVE: My Little Pony: Legends of Magic #11 Revealed—Synposis, Artists, and Writer! [ http://tinyurl.com/y8vy5r4r ]
10:30 <Fn> My sister is eternally amazed at my "ability" to know where my things are when it appears to her as utter disorder
10:31 <Fn> Just because it doesn't look structured or aesthetically appealing, doesn't mean it is a disorder
10:31 <Schism> You have your own filing system! It just looks like a bomb went off.
10:31 <ConfusionRift> Organized chaos, babeh. :P
10:34 <Fn> Tirek, lojban treats everything as a verb and only adds la ... ku as denotion for a noun
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10:34 <Fn> In lojban "a book" is literally "is book"
10:34 <Fn> Makes for a very consistently universal grammar
10:35 <Fn> No need to have any other rules besides for verbs
10:35 <Fn> Also in a few other conlangs there are cases where nouns and adjectives are not distinguished at all
10:36 <Fn> It really works: {red as a noun} == {red as a property}
10:36 <Fn> It's just we are used to distinguish those
10:36 <Fn> Habits die hard
10:37 <Fn> Heck, even lojban could not avoid contracting an unnecessary attribute from a natlang
10:38 <Fn> It has distinction for transitive-intransitive verbs, which is completely and utterly unnecessary for a conlang
10:38 <Fn> If it has a subject it becomes transitive, if not, then it is intransitive!
10:42 <Tirek> Right, I was looking at lojban for a bit.
10:46 <Tirek> Anyway, time to snooze.
10:47 <ConfusionRift> Laters.
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10:49 <ADragonDreaming> Belgium has ruled that loot crates a la BF2 are gambling.
10:51 <Fn> Dun.Dun.Duuun!
10:52 <Fn> Also BF2 and BF2 now are getting confusing
10:52 <Fn> Field and Front
10:53 <Fn> I guess we shall use BFd2 and BFt2 then!
11:01 <Ali> Or just BF2SW
11:02 <Schism> Those loot boxes might as well be gambling... interesting that they were ruled as such, though.
11:02 <Chaosweaver> A US senator has now called them out for their predatory practices.
11:02 <Ali> Well you're paying money for random junk
11:02 <Ali> So you could pay 20 bucks for 20 commons you already have.
11:02 <Ali> and get 2 dollars of value out of it.
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11:22 <Fn> EA selling a game for $60, tacking in "Premium" on it for some extra $60 and still selling loot boxes which are not that different to microtransactions
11:22 <Fn> Too greedy. Too far.
11:23 <Fn> Oh and DLCs that are just subtracted content of the whole game too
11:24 <Schism> Day 0 DLC, yeah.
11:24 <Schism> "Oh, but games are too expensive to create, these days."
11:26 <Fn> DLC used to be a themed add-on. Something you get extra
11:27 <Fn> When you have 3 guns in a game and two of them can be found only in DLC... that is kinda scummy
11:28 <Fn> Especially since most DLC guns usually have some advantageous edge over base gun
11:28 <Schism> Indeed. Or when the basic game is maybe half of it, and most of the content is found in a variety of $10 add-ons.
11:29 <Fn> The way Planetside2 does it is much more fair
11:29 <Fn> You can get better guns /only/ through grinding the assignments
11:29 * Schism nods, "With cosmetics and the like provided via microtransactions?"
11:30 <Fn> The guns you can pay for money are easier to use, but by no means stronger
11:30 <ConfusionRift> Ooooh, how about this. Let's put a tiny piece of code that blocks off specific content already in the game, and then sell that piece of code that opens them up as DLC.
11:30 <Chaosweaver> Oh, like Mass Effect 3 did?
11:30 <Fn> In fact, pay guns are actually worse in Planetside2
11:30 <Schism> ConfusionRift: Ooh, and even better, you can make all that content self-evident as a 1 GB blob!
11:31 <ConfusionRift> Chaosweaver: Capcom. That is all.
11:31 <ConfusionRift> Yarp!
11:31 <Schism> Fn: Neat! Shinier, I'm sure, but that's good to know.
11:31 <Fn> This is the same thing the internet providers do
11:31 <Fn> The "throttling"
11:31 <Chaosweaver> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR6-u8OIJTE
11:31 <ConfusionRift> Game is 16GB, the piece of DLC is 2KB.
11:31 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
11:31 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about EA CEO John Riccitiello On Gaming Microtransactions
11:31 <Chaosweaver> Former CEO but, hey.
11:33 <ConfusionRift> Woooow. Hahahaaa!
11:34 <Fn> Getting cosmetic items for money is fine by me
11:34 <ConfusionRift> Go to fight a boss type, gets KOed a few times, finally beats him. Activated him again by accident, goes completely reckless, beats him in one try.
11:35 <Schism> ConfusionRift: Hehe. More Hollow Knight?
11:35 <ConfusionRift> Yep. Getting to some of them pesky dream warriors.
11:39 <ConfusionRift> The game basically forces you to fight them at a certain point in the game.
11:41 * Schism nodnods.
11:41 <Finwe> Lt Cdrs CleverDerpy and ConfusionRift, AB Cepheid.
11:41 <Finwe> o7
11:41 <Finwe> Messrs Schism and Fn.
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11:42 * ConfusionRift does the same thing again and beats another.
11:47 <ConfusionRift> This tends to be the luck that runs out eventually.
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12:05 <ConfusionRift> Have to crash. Laters.
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13:37 <Schism> Planetside 2 is evil. Ah well.
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13:42 <ADragonHoarding> I need more screenspace
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14:00 <Nibbs> Hello!
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14:01 <Nibbs> Hi nossy
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14:05 <ADragonHoarding> SCHISM. Get me another monitor.
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14:08 <Nibbs> Dragon dragon dragon
14:09 <Nibbs> ADragonHoarding are you my daddy?
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14:12 <Nibbs> Hmmm grr
14:12 <Nibbs> Everyone is sleeeping
14:12 <Nibbs> Nibbs is up to early
14:16 * Nossy|School places a soda in front of Nibbs.
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14:17 * Nibbs pounces onto it ripping it open with her sharp teeth and drinks it while layin on her back
14:17 <Nibbs> Yayayaya
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14:19 * Nibbs looks around... And drops the shredded can to the side.
14:20 <ADragonHoarding> ...No. I am no one's daddy.
14:20 <ADragonHoarding> Nor am I actually a dragon.
14:20 <Nossy|School> He's the pickle king.
14:21 <ADragonHoarding> Im just a guy currently at work signing onto IRC to alleviate small amounts of boredom in between tasks. It helps with focus, actually.
14:21 <Nibbs> Grr okay, nibbs is dragon!
14:22 <Nibbs> What do you work?
14:23 <ADragonHoarding> I am the incident controller for a support desk for a web-based program car dealers use to submit credit applications and eContracts to lenders to get financing for their customers.
14:24 <Nibbs> o.o *stares blankly at ADragonHoarding*
14:24 <ADragonHoarding> So say you call Apple Support.
14:24 <ADragonHoarding> You're reaching a service desk.
14:24 <Nibbs> Mhmm
14:24 <Nibbs> They call dragon support for cars?!
14:24 <ADragonHoarding> I'm not Apple support, I'm support for an entirely unrelated company/program
14:25 <ADragonHoarding> Nope.
14:25 <ADragonHoarding> I'm not a dragon.
14:25 <ADragonHoarding> That's just my screen name.
14:25 <Nibbs> Ok darn
14:25 <Nibbs> do you like dragons?
14:25 <ADragonHoarding> They are cool, yes.
14:26 <Nibbs> *nods head vigirously in agreement.
14:26 <Nibbs> Nibbs is best dragon!
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14:29 <Nibbs> Who is your favorite Dragon?
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14:30 <Nibbs> Pi_ keeps leaving an rejoinin... Is everything fine?
14:31 <Pi_> Nu :c
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14:31 <Nibbs> Whats wrong?
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14:31 <Starlight_Glimmer> ADragonHoarding confirmed for dragon.
14:32 <Starlight_Glimmer> No worries. Ponies do keep dragons as pets as long as they're tiny and cute.
14:32 <Starlight_Glimmer> You don't want to know what happens after that
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14:32 <Nibbs> o3o
14:33 <Nibbs> Nibbs is always tiny cute and chubby grawr
14:34 <Nibbs> But nibbs can melt the stars ehehehhe
14:35 * Nibbs does some kungfu moves... "Crouching tiger... Hidden Dragon!" Teleports in front of Starlight_Glimmer and boops her... "Boop!"
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14:42 <ADragonHoarding> I am no one's pet.
14:42 <ADragonHoarding> Excuse you.
14:44 <Nibbs> o3o uh oh
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15:10 <Nibbs> *rolls around*
15:19 <ADragonHoarding> Pi's having local internet issues, probably.
15:24 <Nibbs> Mhm or he likes joining a lot
15:25 <ADragonHoarding> Nah. Internet connection.
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16:07 <KooK> yawnage
16:07 <Nibbs> Nu yawning
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16:13 <rhg135> Good morning ponies
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16:15 <Nibbs> Morning o.o
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16:43 <Librarian> i found my red lantern ring owo
16:43 <Librarian> imma waer it for the day
16:45 <CladdaghRing> Wait, you sound happy that you found it. You should be angry!
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16:46 <Librarian> im violently happy
16:47 <Librarian> i once bought a full set of rings for the heck of it
16:47 <Librarian> but my favorite is red
16:48 <Librarian> also all the red lantern actions i could do arent nice, so i cant just go about punching people
16:49 <CladdaghRing> Yeah I saw those in a shop once. They looked neat. I'm attracted to colourful sets of things like a magpie to wedding rings. However I also don't read comic books and don't know anything about Green Lantern so I saved my money.
16:49 <Librarian> there are greater power than rage in here
16:49 <Librarian> i mostly like the spirit of the red lanterns, justice and vengeance
16:50 <Librarian> the others dont apeal to me that much
16:50 <CladdaghRing> I only know red is anger, yellow is fear and green is willpower. Don't know the others. Oh, black is death I think.
16:50 <Librarian> sorta like how i like the sith, rage leading to power is appealing to me, i have a lot of rage
16:50 <Librarian> purpe is compassion
16:50 <Librarian> blue is mercy, white is life
16:51 <Librarian> brb
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17:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: A State Of Sugar Music: Zizkil - Midnight Daydreams [Electro House] / Ponytronic - Elysium [Future Bass] [ http://tinyurl.com/y832u7ab ]
17:02 * Cepheid flops.
17:02 * Cepheid flails as well.
17:04 <Cepheid> I have a crazy plan I'd like to do one day.
17:04 <ADragonHoarding> jump jive and wail?
17:05 <Cepheid> Nah.
17:06 <Cepheid> See, there's an official foot trail that goes all the way from one end of Canada to the other. Of course this is crazy to traverse in one go, so I'll settle for a subset of it. From Ottawa to the border between Ontario and Manitoba. 4,136.5 kilometers. I want to walk the entirety of it.
17:10 <Cepheid> Making the assumption that a person walks 3.1 kilometers an hour on average, and spends 16 hours a day walking, it would take a little over 83 days to complete.
17:16 <ADragonHoarding> apparently average walking speed is 3.1 miles per hours, or 5 kph
17:16 <ADragonHoarding> you'd want to clock yourself over the course of a day to get an idea of the time it would take for you, but
17:16 <Cepheid> Google lied to me. =3=
17:16 <Cepheid> True.
17:16 <ADragonHoarding> I think you misread google
17:16 <ADragonHoarding> because I also got those results from google
17:17 <Cepheid> So I did.
17:17 <Cepheid> Meh.
17:17 <Cepheid> Point is, it'd take a while.
17:17 <Cepheid> Probably 2-3 months.
17:18 <ADragonHoarding> assuming 16 hours/day (probably optimistic)
17:18 <ADragonHoarding> 51 days
17:18 <Cepheid> Indeed.
17:18 <ADragonHoarding> I'd say 14 hours would be more likely, given rest times and eating
17:18 <Cepheid> It's probably more optimistic to say about 12 hours, since you need time to wake up, get ready, time to eat breakfast, lunch and dinner, and time to set up the tent at night.
17:18 <ADragonHoarding> 14 if you're pushing, yes.
17:19 <Cepheid> It'd still be fun regardless.
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17:19 <Cepheid> Go across a province, see what there is to see.
17:19 <ADragonHoarding> and yeah, you'd probably want to stop at specific places to see a thing
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17:20 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, going the entire path across Canada, would optimistically take a full year.
17:22 <Librarian> owo
17:22 <Cepheid> The rounded distance is 24,000 kilometers.
17:23 <Cepheid> Assuming a more leisurely pace of 3.1 kilometers, 12 hours a day, you're looking at 1.75 years.
17:23 <Librarian> i got tired just looking at the number owo
17:24 <Cepheid> Assuming average speed of 5 kilometers an hour..
17:24 <Cepheid> 1.09 years.
17:24 <Librarian> one would get robbed sooo many times traversing that distance in mexico
17:25 <Cepheid> I was about to stop reading after the "robbed" until I continued reading and finishing the sentence and realizing you meant in Mexico.
17:25 <Cepheid> In Canada, getting robbed is possible, but at a much lower frequency I would think.
17:26 <Cepheid> Plus, I'm pretty sure if I attempted the full walk across Canada, I'd probably blog it, and have a gofundme going just to ensure that I always have at least enough money to catch a flight home should something happen.
17:27 <Cepheid> Librarian: https://imgur.com/gallery/8pjJ1
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17:45 <Cepheid> In the two days since posting this assignment, the professor has made two revisions to the assignment. I'm thinking I'll give until the end of the week before I get started on it.
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17:59 <Cepheid> I had another weird dream last night.
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18:01 <Librarian> my dreams are dull
18:04 <Cepheid> This one involved four people, with myself "watching" over them. It started off with the four people in the hallway, three of them looked like they had rushed in to rescue the fourth. Behind them, the door to the hallway had been sealed shut by what appeared to be a brick wall that spontaneously appeared. This is where things get weird.
18:06 <Cepheid> The walls, floor and ceiling began to split apart into segments, and began shifting at various speeds. The segments the people touched would proceed to move much more quickly and attempt to crush anything between the segment they touched, and the segment opposite from itself. The whole hallway, including any offshoots ahead, appeared to be some sort of gauntlet that was trying to crush and kill the four, for some reason.
18:07 <Librarian> sounds like symbolysm for something
18:07 <Cepheid> That said, they weren't 100% effective. The group of four had the strength to push back against the segments, and stop their crushing behaviour, albiet temporarily.
18:07 <Librarian> no idea what, not my area
18:08 <Cepheid> So the four of them made their way down the hallway. About halfway down, one of them separates from the group and goes down a side passage. Later on, that person returns with someone in tow. Continue down the hallway, and they reach this absolutely massive room, with an exit on the far side.
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18:10 <Cepheid> For whatever reason, the segments of the floor, ceiling and walls here were much, much faster, and imparted greater force. So the group of five couldn't really hold still for very long. In fact, they all got split up as they traversed the room. At one point, the one that was "rescued" from somewhere got caught in a bad place. Despite their efforts, they get killed. Weirdness factor jumps by one or two points at this point
18:10 <Cepheid> in the dream.
18:11 <Librarian> how can you even remember so much?
18:11 <Cepheid> Hell if I know.
18:11 <Librarian> i barely rember if i dreamed at all
18:12 <Cepheid> In any case, the new twist is that each of these moving segments appears to be a living thing. They're living traps that react to anything they consider to be food touching them. Unfortunately things accelerate at this point. After a bit of mourning, the four of them rush to escape the hell they're in, and make it.
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18:14 <Nibbs> Two dragons o3o
18:14 <Nibbs> Are they rhe same?
18:14 <ADragonDreaming> Yes. This is my laptop.
18:14 <Cepheid> Freud would have a field day trying to explain my dreams.
18:14 <ADragonDreaming> The other one is my work computer.
18:14 <Nibbs> Okay
18:14 <Librarian> e
18:14 <Librarian> x
18:14 <Librarian> ac
18:14 <Librarian> e
18:14 <Cepheid> Arguably, one could say that I'm feeling like I'm being crushed from all around.
18:15 <Cepheid> Librarian, get your dog off the keyboard.
18:15 <Librarian> and something about the personalities
18:15 <Librarian> my dog is too big
18:15 <ADragonDreaming> doge? y not cate?
18:15 <Nibbs> x3
18:15 <Librarian> no cate, just doge
18:15 <Nibbs> Doge is better then cate
18:15 <Cepheid> Because I don't think Librar- Yeah.
18:15 <Librarian> doge is win
18:15 <Cepheid> I prefer cats.
18:15 <Cepheid> Lots of cats.
18:16 <Librarian> isnt that a girl thing?
18:16 <Librarian> crazy cat lady cliche
18:16 <ADragonDreaming> Yes, but cat lovers are all people
18:16 <Librarian> i like cats as well
18:16 <Cepheid> It is a cliche/trope, yes. But it doesn't apply to just women.
18:17 <Librarian> on a vsit to the next door vet the cutest kitten started playing with me
18:17 <Librarian> it was so nice
18:21 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/9Ncmp
18:21 <Cepheid> In any case, I imagine my dreams are just the result of random brain neurons firing for no apparent reason, creating imagery that's designed to freak me out more than anything else.
18:23 <Nibbs> Confirmed that cepheid is crazy cat nan
18:23 <Librarian> https://librarianofhope.deviantart.com/art/Face-Exercise-uncolored-716301930
18:24 <Librarian> that came out weird
18:24 * Cepheid is a piece of bread shaped like a cat.
18:24 <Librarian> im trying to get the proprotions right by memory, the eyes came out freaky
18:26 <Nibbs> Eheh they did nibbs thinks its cause the head might by a little long.
18:26 <Nibbs> Good drawing though grawr
18:27 <Cepheid> A man is apparently planning to launch himself into the sky on a steam-based rocket to prove that the world is flat.
18:27 <Cepheid> I think the only thing he's going to prove is that gravity kills.
18:27 <ADragonDreaming> Well.
18:28 <ADragonDreaming> More power to him.
18:28 <Librarian> steam power, he will need it
18:28 <Nibbs> Cepheid: yeah just saw that earlier kek
18:28 <Cepheid> Apparently it's not the first time he launched such a rocket either.
18:29 <Nibbs> That's more impressive
18:29 <Cepheid> He did it before, and it crashed hard to the ground because the parachute was terrible.
18:29 <Cepheid> Alas, he survived.
18:29 <Nibbs> So if he dies does that prove NASA assasination and coverup?
18:30 <Nibbs> Or should Nibbs say aNASAnation
18:30 <ADragonDreaming> it will probably be claimed as such, yes.
18:31 <Nibbs> :3 ya, and for you space people how far would he have to get into the air to prove curve of the earth by the naked eye?
18:32 <ADragonDreaming> i dunno, how high up was that HALO jump dude?
18:32 <Cepheid> Getting that high up wouldn't prove it to flat-earthers.
18:33 <Nibbs> It wouldnt...
18:33 <Cepheid> They'd just argue that the earth is a disc-shaped object.
18:33 <ADragonDreaming> might to him!
18:33 <Cepheid> A flat, disc-shaped object.
18:33 <Nibbs> Getting to the moon would prove it though.
18:33 <ADragonDreaming> no it wouldn't, we've been there.
18:33 <Nibbs> Nibbs hopes...
18:33 <Cepheid> Even then. The Earth would look like a flat disc to the flat-earther.
18:33 <Nibbs> ADragonDreaming: him getting there nibbs means
18:33 <Cepheid> Why do you speak in third person?
18:34 <ADragonDreaming> nah, he might change his mind, the rest wouldn't
18:34 <Nibbs> So the real question is... What if he proves it's a disk?
18:34 <ADragonDreaming> "They got to him!"
18:34 <ADragonDreaming> Then it's a disc.
18:34 <Nibbs> True
18:34 <ADragonDreaming> and we need to destroy the government.
18:34 <ADragonDreaming> but he won't, becasue it isn't.
18:34 <Nibbs> Cepheid: nibbs likes to *shrugs*
18:35 <Nibbs> If the world is a disk... Nibbs would be pretty pissed grawr!
18:35 <Nibbs> But nibbs is like 99.9999999% it's not a disk.
18:35 <Nibbs> Or flat
18:36 <Cepheid> The only way to prove it's not flat, would be to place someone in a spot in space where they can see the Earth, but do not orbit it in any way.
18:36 <Cepheid> So they can watch the planet do a full 360 degree rotation.
18:37 <Nibbs> That's true... But they have no way of proving they are the ones that are rotating vs the earths rotation
18:37 <Cepheid> If it was flat, then once the planet has rotated 90 degrees, you see for certain that it is flat.
18:37 <Cepheid> If it was the person rotating about the earth, I think the same problem would occur, actually.
18:37 <Nibbs> But unless they believe that light bends so that from any angle you see only a sectio of the disk
18:37 <Cepheid> Once you get "perpendicular" to the planet relative to where you started, you'd just see a vertical line.
18:38 <Nibbs> Nibbs hopes the guy does well and learns something while at it.
18:38 <Cepheid> Nibbs: At which point I'd have to investigate the person themselves, as while I don't think they are stupid from the get-go, I do believe there exists the potential for a mental illness that is as-yet undiscovered.
18:39 <Cepheid> Perhaps one where their brain is incapable of perceiving certain visual artefacts.
18:39 <Nibbs> Ehehehe flat earthers believe in all kinds of bendin of the light that they make up to account for discrepencies
18:39 <Cepheid> Brain's a finicky thing. Wouldn't surprise me if there's a mental illness that prevents people from perceiving depth.
18:40 <Nibbs> Someone who's smart just trolling them by making up 'physics' that make flat earth possible
18:42 <Cepheid> There is that, too.
18:43 <Nibbs> Grawr
18:44 <Nibbs> They'll get to the point where they have their own flat earth laws, that work out exactly the same but always have to do mathmateical corrections and such to make it equal what it should be
18:44 <Nibbs> Pretty much overcomplicate it and get the same result
18:45 <ADragonHoarding> The main thing to do
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18:45 <ADragonHoarding> is ignore them.
18:45 <Nibbs> Mhm
18:45 <Nibbs> Nibbs agrees
18:45 <Nibbs> Ignoring people is just the right and kind thing to do
18:45 <ADragonHoarding> If someone tries to engage you, you just turn them away: "Your arguments are not convincing and do not represent good science or good scientific methods. I have no interest in discussing this with you."
18:46 <ADragonHoarding> "Please write me off as a lost cause, as I have done the same for you."
18:46 <ADragonHoarding> And then you're done.
18:46 <Nibbs> They'll ask me and Nibbs will just act like they don't exist unless they give nibbs candy and fruit
18:48 <Cepheid> I'd just look at them with a blank stare and leave. Less likely that something will be said that pushes the big red button on my brain.
18:48 <Nibbs> Nibbs likes to catch stars on fire o3o
18:50 <Cepheid> Not so much that I'm crazy, I just seem to lack impulse control. My counselor is looking into a drug to put me on to help deal with it.
18:50 <Cepheid> At which point maybe then I can discuss things with people and not want to stab them 27 times in the back.
18:51 <Nibbs> Nibbs thinks you should just talk with more peoples then
18:53 <Nibbs> Dun take drugs
18:53 <Cepheid> That would not be a good idea. Lack of impulse control means that if something aggravates or depresses me even the slightest bit, my brain goes immediately from 0 to 100 in a fraction of a second. It's the difference between calmly discussing something one second, and being enraged and yelling the next second. It doesn't make me look good at all.
18:53 <Cepheid> It's been an ongoing mental health issue for as long as I can remember.
18:54 <Nibbs> Oh o.o do you feel the same on here?
18:55 <Nibbs> Like if Nibbs says somethjng you don't like can you impulse control?
18:55 <Cepheid> More or less.
18:55 <Cepheid> ADragonHoarding, and a few others can vouche for it.
18:56 <Nibbs> Is it easier on here?
18:56 <Cepheid> So if a discussion about something controversial starts up here, and I'm active, you won't see me take part in the conversation for the sake of keeping things in relative order.
18:56 <Cepheid> No.
18:56 <Nibbs> Okay
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18:56 <Nibbs> Interesting *rolls around^
18:57 <Nibbs> Ali Ali hi o3o
18:57 * Ali wavies
18:57 <Cepheid> You get used to not voicing your opinions for the sake of your mental health and that of others around you.
18:57 <Cepheid> Most people would argue it's a terrible way to live, but meh. It's better than constantly being on edge and angry all the time, or depressed all the time.
18:57 <Nibbs> Yeah.
18:57 <Librarian> owo
18:58 <Librarian> stylus arrived
18:58 <Nibbs> Mhm
18:58 <Nibbs> Librarian! Your books are flammable
18:58 <Nibbs> So Nibbs wont go into your library.
18:59 <Librarian> i was about to quote clint eastwood
18:59 <Nibbs> Librarian: when Nibbs walks nibbs has fire footprints for a few seconds
19:00 <Cepheid> Just so ye know, Nibbs, but this channel isn't too keen on constant roleplay. You might want to dial it back a bit, lest a mod catch on and glare at you for hours on end.
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19:01 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/WtVAI
19:01 * Ali glares at all the ponies for hours on end
19:01 <Nibbs> Okay, nibbs will stop...
19:02 <Cepheid> I will say one thing about dogs.
19:02 <Cepheid> Dogs, energetic as they are, are amazingly gentle towards smaller critters. Usually.
19:03 <Cepheid> Kittens, puppies and the like, they're amazingly gentle despite their energetic nature.
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19:03 <Nibbs> Cepheid: did you know that Nibbs has a theme song, want to hear it?
19:03 <Cepheid> Not at the moment, no thanks.
19:04 <Nibbs> Awww...
19:04 * Cepheid glares back at Ali.
19:04 <Cepheid> Staring competiti- *Blinks* -Awe...
19:04 <Nibbs> Ali do you want to hear Nibbs theme song?
19:04 <Ali> Nopes
19:05 <Nibbs> Awww...
19:05 <Nibbs> b-but it's really good...
19:05 <Cepheid> What I do want is for school to end already.
19:05 <Cepheid> I feel bad for the college students in Ontario.
19:06 <Nibbs> Nibbs has a hard time not rping apparently >.<
19:06 <ADragonHoarding> I think people are kinda busy right now, Nibbs.
19:06 <Cepheid> The school year's been extended such that they will be in school up until exactly Christmas Eve, be given 3-4 days off, then continue their semester until January 31st or so.
19:06 <Ali> That and this isn't really an RP room either.
19:06 <Cepheid> Then they'll be given a day off, and start their next semester.
19:06 <Nibbs> Yeah that's okay
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19:07 <Nibbs> Ali, Nibbs knows... Just hard to not rp all the time when youre used to rping all the time
19:07 <Cepheid> The professor's strike was ended via back-to-work legislation, and it's looking like negotiations are going to binding arbitration.
19:07 <Cepheid> As neither side in the negotiations wants to talk to the other.
19:07 <Cepheid> Aside from a vote on a contract two weeks ago, they've mostly been in a state of "We're not going to talk."
19:07 <Nibbs> o3o sounds... Intense
19:08 <Cepheid> The professors want more control over the program layouts and course times, because a lot of them are working part-time, and have to take on extra jobs to make ends meet.
19:08 <Cepheid> Among other things.
19:08 <Cepheid> But the colleges won't allow it, won't budge, and are being as stubborn as the professors are.
19:09 <Cepheid> Up until yesterday, the strike had been going on for six weeks.
19:09 <Cepheid> Students lost a month and a half in education, and were basically being used as hostages.
19:09 <Ali> Sounds about right
19:10 * Ali borrows Cepheid's kitteh Spitfire for awhile to snuggle while he's not lookin.
19:10 <Cepheid> They're getting an extra $500 to $1000 from OSAP that they don't have to pay back to make up for the lost time and the fact that some of these students have to pay for rent and such.
19:10 * Cepheid doesn't mind. Spitfire snuggles with anyone.
19:10 <Nibbs> Hmmm if they come to a solution is te semester extended or doyou just lose credit?
19:10 <Cepheid> That cat is happy if you so much as look at him.
19:10 <Cepheid> Nibbs: As stated, the semester was extended another month and a half.
19:10 <Ali> Heh, I get to go look at some kittehs this weekend
19:10 <Cepheid> The next semester resultantly was pushed back a month and a half.
19:11 <Nibbs> Ah...
19:11 <Cepheid> If students opt to drop out this semester, they get a full refund as well.
19:11 <Ali> There's these two adorable kittens but they're both from the same litter
19:11 <Cepheid> While those that stick to it get $500-$1000 depending on their situation.
19:11 <Nibbs> Will they ever be able to get it back on trak the semensters?
19:11 <Cepheid> They will.
19:11 <Cepheid> The summer period is usually not a full semeseter.
19:11 <Ali> I'm kinda thinking we might have to get both cause they might of already bonded and I feel bad leaving one alone without the other.
19:11 <Nibbs> Okay o3o sounds lane though...
19:11 <Nibbs> Lame
19:11 <Cepheid> It is, for the students.
19:12 <Nibbs> Yeah
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19:12 <Cepheid> I understand the concerns of the professors, but ye know, the students should have a say in things too, especially after it goes on so long.
19:12 <Nibbs> Start goin on strike against the professors x3 that'll solve it more strikes hehhee
19:12 <Cepheid> That said, because of the stubbornness of both sides, binding arbitration's being used. Basically what that means is that a third party looks at what both sides want, along with the situation on both sides, and constructs a contract based on that.
19:13 <Cepheid> There's no vote on the contract. If you didn't get what you wanted, tough luck.
19:13 <Cepheid> Nibbs: In Toronto, students were setting up to do a class-action lawsuit against the colleges of Ontario.
19:13 <Nibbs> Ahh..
19:14 <Cepheid> Under the argument that the contracts between the colleges and students has been violated because the colleges were not providing them with the education that they paid for in advance.
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19:14 <Nibbs> Then tw school should be able to sue the instructors also x3
19:15 <Cepheid> I'd be demanding a refund if a strike went on longer than a month. I paid $1,400 per course to the university, and I am required to take 4 courses a semester.
19:15 <Nibbs> Ouch
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19:16 <Nibbs> That's just or bad situation for everyone o.o
19:17 <Cepheid> North American college and university is a money grab.
19:17 <Cepheid> The education tends to be so-so, for an extremely high cost.
19:18 <Nibbs> Mhm
19:19 <Nibbs> Grrr colleges are dumb
19:20 <Cepheid> Perhaps. But you need that piece of paper for many jobs.
19:21 <Cepheid> Unless you *WANT* to get into stuff like janitorial work.
19:22 <Nibbs> Or strting your own buisness
19:22 <Nibbs> You can do a lot with a college degree nibbs would know nibbs is young
19:23 <Nibbs> Nibbs wouldnt know cause nibbs is too young
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19:24 <Cepheid> You can do a lot without one, too.
19:24 <Cepheid> Anyhow, I'll be back in a bit. Got some chores I want to do.
19:24 <Nibbs> Byyye
19:36 <Cepheid> While I go to do the last of the chores, I leave you all with a question, because I want to see if you are smarter than the character it involves. :P Essentially, it goes like this: You have the ability to see the future. But every time you try to look into the future about yourself, the vision stops at a single point, and you can see no further. What is the implication?
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19:45 <uni> um hello everyone~
19:46 <Cepheid> Hoi.
19:47 <uni> haven't been here for quite a bit
19:48 <rhg135> Hi again
19:49 <Cepheid> Welcome back then.
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19:52 <uni> thanks~
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19:57 <Cepheid> Huh. The Japanese website for Xenoblade 2 gives the names of the titans. While the English website gives the names for the cultures that live upon them.
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19:58 <CleverDerpy> uni?!
19:58 <CleverDerpy> uuuuuuuuuniiiii~
19:58 * CleverDerpy hugs
19:59 <Cepheid> Central hub place is held up by the titan Avaritia. First major area in the game is on the titan Gula. The other titans are Invidia, Superbia, Acedia, and Luxuria. Hum. Invidia - Invasion. Superbia - Suburbia? Acedia - Academia? Luxuria - Luxurious living, etc? Avaritia is obvious. Avarice, so a trading guild.
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20:03 <Schism> Cepheid: Gee, that theme isn't at all indicative of anything.
20:03 <Cepheid> Heh.
20:05 <Schism> Those terms are better described as Greed, Envy, Pride, Sloth, and Lust.
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20:05 <Pony|3220> Holy-
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20:06 <Pony|3220> This place still exists
20:06 <Schism> Sure does.
20:06 <Schism> Cepheid: Oh, and 'Gula' would be 'Gluttony'.
20:06 <Pony|3220> It's been a long time since I was here >.< Like, 4 years long time
20:06 <Cepheid> As for the names of each region: Avaritia - The Argentum Trading Guild. Gula - Imperial Province of Gormott. Invidia - The Kingdom of Uraya. Superbia - The Empire of Mor Ardain. Acedia - The Indoline Praetorium. Luxiria - The Kingdom of Tantal.
20:07 <Pony|3220> Hi Cepheid
20:07 <Cepheid> Schism: Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. Seven Deadly Sins.
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20:07 <Cepheid> Hard to confirm though, as the English website has more titans revealed than the Japanese website.
20:07 <Cepheid> There are 8 titans on the English website. 6 on the Japanese website.
20:07 <Schism> Hal0: Welp, we're certainly not going anywhere!
20:08 <Cepheid> There's actually one named titan on the English website. Temperantia.
20:08 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, the last Titan that is unnamed, is actually a collection of Titans that are connected by bridgework.
20:09 <Cepheid> ...
20:09 * Cepheid twitches.
20:09 <Schism> Cepheid: Hmm. Well, that sounds like wrath.
20:09 <Cepheid> I once had a dream about a world that lived above the cloud layer.
20:09 <Schism> And also, hum. Acedia is closer to 'apathy' than 'sloth'.
20:09 <Cepheid> This entire "world" takes place on Titans that live upon or in a cloud sea.
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20:10 <Cepheid> Schism: What is Elesyium supposed to represent? When I read the name, I usually think of paradise, or something akin to it.
20:11 <Cepheid> Hum, that's a term that is derived from Greek Mythology. Seems like this game is drawing a lot from Greek and Roman Mythology.
20:11 <Schism> That is generally the classical metaphor, yeah.
20:12 <Cepheid> More from Greek Mythology than other mythologies. I mean, Pandoria, and a few other references I forgot already.
20:14 <Cepheid> That said, it is very hard to determine where they are going with the game. Xenoblade, only after you finish it, makes sense in the long run. Sort of.
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20:14 <Cepheid> The ending explains why the Monado can predict the future, among other things.
20:15 <Cepheid> But mostly the reason it can predict the future and change it.
20:15 <Cepheid> Also why it's picky about who holds it.
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20:16 <Cepheid> Though I'm hesitant to explain since I'm sure some people here might want to play the game at some point and don't want spoilers. :P
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20:18 <Cepheid> Admittedly I do want to discuss it though, because it bugs me for some reason.
20:23 <Cepheid> ...
20:23 <Cepheid> This game may or may not have a connection to Xenosaga.
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20:25 <Cepheid> There's a gemstone on Pyra's chest that is in the shape of the Zohar from Xenosaga.
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20:30 <uni> aaaah CleverDerpy!
20:30 * uni hugs back (belatedly)!
20:30 * CleverDerpy purrs and pets uni
20:31 * Jahnesta Hugs a pony
20:34 * rhg135 licks Jahnesta and CleverDerpy
20:35 <Jahnesta> Heya
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20:37 <rhg135> How goes it?
20:38 <Jahnesta> Pretty gud
20:38 <Jahnesta> You?
20:40 <rhg135> I don't like the US drug system :(
20:41 <Jahnesta> :(
20:42 <rhg135> But I finally obtained it
20:42 <Jahnesta> :D
20:43 <Librarian> i found this kizuna ai chacter
20:43 <Librarian> a youtuber carrton that claims to be an ai
20:43 <Librarian> she is funny in a very chaotic way
20:43 <Jahnesta> A wuttawut now? x3
20:44 <Cepheid> If it's who I think it is, it's not an AI.
20:44 <Librarian> of corse not
20:44 <Jahnesta> Is she?
20:44 <Librarian> its still funny to watch
20:44 <Librarian> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8hXNkhBYN8
20:44 <Jahnesta> Cus AI is getting crazy nowadays
20:45 <Cepheid> AI is not as advanced as depicted in the videos, Jahnesta.
20:45 <Jahnesta> Don't have sound :(
20:45 <Jahnesta> No?
20:45 <Cepheid> It's just a person with voice acting skills(Or that's her real voice, one or the other) who's using motion capture tech to animate the model.
20:46 <rhg135> Maybe soon we can work out an ai girlfriend
20:46 <Librarian> i like her ppey style
20:46 <Jahnesta> Well it's getting pretty advanced now anyhoo
20:46 <Cepheid> AI is getting impressive, I will admit, but..
20:46 <Cepheid> It's not this advanced.
20:46 <rhg135> I'm lonely, man
20:46 <Librarian> i can understand bro
20:47 <Librarian> i gave up on love , just have my ambition now
20:47 <rhg135> I need to try that
20:48 <Cepheid> I have no interest in a relationship. I too have given up, but for different reasons.
20:48 <Cepheid> I just don't want someone around me 24/7. My cats are enough.
20:48 <rhg135> People scare me though
20:48 <Cepheid> I can't stand the presence of people for too long, and the louder they are, the less inclined I am to stick around.
20:48 <Cepheid> Unfortunately, almost everyone around me appears to be going deaf for some reason.
20:48 <Cepheid> As a usual conversation with them devolves to really loud talking.
20:51 <rhg135> Not even a romantic relationship just, man, being alone all the time sucks
20:53 <Cepheid> I deal with *THAT* via cats.
20:53 <Cepheid> And talking to you people.
20:54 <Jahnesta> :3
20:56 <rhg135> I guess I want more.
20:56 <Cepheid> The physical aspect of socializing is too draining on me. Either because I expend too much energy trying to listen to conversations, or because I expend too much energy trying to not go deaf from conversations in large groups.
20:57 <rhg135> By alone I'm mainly referring to things like in face to face life
20:57 <Cepheid> I regularly have issues at school where my right ear just "stop working" so to speak. All input noise is replaced by a white static noise.
20:59 <rhg135> Facing your fears, as they say, is really hard alone.
21:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: Filly In The Box - Hoofprints In The Snow [Electro] [ http://tinyurl.com/y7nqs9cu ]
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21:05 <Librarian> owo i got a frraud call
21:05 <Librarian> credit card fraud
21:05 <Nibbs> o.o
21:05 <Librarian> yay
21:05 <Nibbs> Yay
21:05 <Librarian> i can sense those a mile away
21:05 <Jahnesta> Nibbs!
21:06 <Nibbs> Hey Lobrarian gimmie your CC
21:06 <Nibbs> Jahnesta!
21:06 <Librarian> i called my bank to check if ithey needed something, everythng is fine
21:06 <Librarian> of corse
21:06 <Librarian> its 5678912345
21:06 <rhg135> Hey Nibbs
21:06 <Jahnesta> The one and only
21:07 <Jahnesta> Librarian :o
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21:09 * DashedRainbows brings Jahnesta a dead mole
21:10 <Librarian> the number might also be a code to a homing bomb
21:10 <Librarian> i dont remeber , do try it
21:10 <Librarian> if you go boom well know
21:11 <Jahnesta> Poor MMole
21:11 <Cepheid> Apparently, despite the development team stopping work on The Witcher 3, at least one member of the team is continuing development on it. Through making mods.
21:11 <Jahnesta> Monty Mole
21:11 * DashedRainbows just barks
21:11 <DashedRainbows> Monty deserves it!
21:13 <Jahnesta> >:D
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21:16 <DashedRainbows> Do you like your present, Jahnesta?
21:16 <Jahnesta> It's.. Cuutee...?
21:16 <Jahnesta> o3o
21:17 <DashedRainbows> Lol
21:25 <Cepheid> Time to map another region in Xenoblade 1.
21:27 <Jahnesta> Night all
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21:28 <Cepheid> Valak Mountain, if the icons on the map are any indication, is gonna take some time to clear.
21:35 <Cepheid> Man, this game just mixes high-level monsters with regular-level monsters.
21:35 <Cepheid> Level 96 robot elk.
21:43 <Cepheid> Okay.
21:44 <Cepheid> I haven't sold any of the drops from monsters since I started the game.
21:44 <Cepheid> How much money worth of monster drops do you think I have? I'm putting it at 25,000,000 gold.
21:47 <Cepheid> I was way off. I collected about 1.75 million gold from all the stuff.
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22:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #2451 [ http://tinyurl.com/y72sm58v ]
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22:19 <Cepheid> Supposedly, there's a superboss accessible prior to the critical event on this "mountain"
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22:26 <Librarian> im try remaking the freaky looking face owo
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22:28 <Librarian> http://fav.me/dbugu3u
22:28 <Librarian> i was aiming for cute, it ended in serial killer grin
22:28 <Snapai> Natto acquired! https://twitter.com/Snapai/status/933452866374832128 :D
22:29 <Snapai> Librarian, no smile in the eyes
22:29 <Librarian> yes, thel lack emotion
22:31 <DashedRainbows> They look into my soul, Librarian
22:31 <Librarian> that was not intended
22:31 <Librarian> i went to eldritch
22:31 <Cepheid> Time to move further into the mountain. I've explored every area up here. Including the Bionis' elbow.
22:31 <Snapai> It's not a real smile unless you get the orbicularis oculi into play.
22:32 <Librarian> wut?
22:32 <Librarian> layman terms plz
22:32 <Snapai> squint muscle.
22:32 <Librarian> we have that?
22:32 <Snapai> orbicularis = "goes around", oculi = "the eye"
22:32 <Snapai> Though, I mean- even the zygomatic major, which is responsible for smiling the corners of the mouth, attaches to the cheekbone and tends to bunch up the face in that direction.
22:33 <Snapai> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Sobo_1909_260_-_Zygomaticus_major_muscle.png/1200px-Sobo_1909_260_-_Zygomaticus_major_muscle.png
22:33 <Snapai> face muscles!
22:33 <Snapai> Zygomatic major is highlighted, but you can see the squint muscle too
22:34 <Snapai> A lot of muscles are named after latin terms that mean plain things. I don't know what zygomatic means tho'
22:35 <Snapai> But like....levator labii superioris, depressor labii inferioris...literally "raise top lip" "lower bottom lip"
22:35 <Snapai> orbicularis oris is what compresses your mouth...
22:37 <Librarian> where ya learned tat?
22:38 <DashedRainbows> Ooh anatomy
22:44 <Cepheid> Standing in molten rock doesn't seem all that lethal to the people of the Bionis. That was...
22:44 <Cepheid> 20% of their health.
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22:49 <Cepheid> I like how the map shows the liquid around me as water.
22:49 * Cepheid looks at the liquid. It's bright red, orange, and giving off heat.
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22:50 <Cepheid> This room.. "contains" something for later, though
22:50 <Cepheid> It's an empty platform, surrounded by lava.
22:50 <Cepheid> It's too obvious that something is fought here.
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23:03 <Snapai> Librarian, https://www.amazon.com/Artists-Complete-Guide-Facial-Expression/dp/0823004325
23:03 <Librarian> yay
23:03 <Librarian> useful stuff
23:03 <Librarian> thank you
23:04 <Snapai> If you are looking in bookstores, particularly used bookstores, also keep an eye out for this cover: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/11/34/71/113471a24e0b90aa814285e83c3de9a4--facial-expressions-the-artist.jpg
23:04 <Snapai> Same book, that's the one it was published under for over a decade.
23:04 <Snapai> The cover it was published with that is
23:05 <Librarian> im in mexico owo
23:05 <Snapai> I've never been to mexicowo
23:05 <Librarian> we barely get english
23:05 <Cepheid> Blah, I can't 100% clear this area, it seems. There are areas closed off by ice walls. One would think they'd find the solution in that lava cave, but it was empty. Devoid of useful stuff.
23:12 <Cepheid> "It's Reyn Time- AUUUGHGH!"
23:13 <Librarian> at any rate, i has kindle, im buying the book
23:13 <Librarian> any more book reccomendation snapai ?
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23:16 * Librarian picks up and launches nuclear
23:16 <Librarian> nuclear launch detected
23:18 <Nuclear> Free Thanksgiving feast is today!
23:18 <Snapai> for what?
23:18 <Snapai> Er, recommendations for what?
23:18 <Librarian> drawing books
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23:20 <Cepheid> Another one of these areas... How did I miss all these hidden areas?
23:20 <Snapai> https://smile.amazon.com/Vilppu-Drawing-Manual-Glenn/dp/1892053039/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511392735&sr=8-1&keywords=vilppu+drawing+manual
23:20 <Snapai> They don't have it in Kindle tho
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23:20 <Librarian> ill make note of it at any rate
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23:20 <Librarian> keep em coming
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23:24 <coco`> Anyone here like thanksgiving?
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23:25 <jimmt> most people
23:26 <CladdaghRing> Whatever happened to Pleasetaking?
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23:27 <Tirek> I prefer ungratefultaking.
23:28 <Starlight_Glimmer> We don't really celebrate it over here
23:28 <Cepheid> Thanksgiving was last month for Canada.
23:28 <Starlight_Glimmer> Not in urban regions anyway
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23:30 <Librarian> Owo
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23:31 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Story Updates - November 22nd [ http://tinyurl.com/yd6df36f ]
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23:35 <coco`> :(
23:36 <Cepheid> ... Heh. You can walk down to the path to Sword Valley before going to the ruins, but the game goes "You must find the ruins mentioned by Alvis" and turns you back.
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