Log archive of EquestriaDaily for Friday, 2017-12-22

00:00 <PinkieShy> Just got ubuntu installed in vbox :3

00:00 <PinkieShy> Going to install wine and see how well a game does on Ubuntu or if it runs at all.. For Feedback reasons on a game community :)

00:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Comic Dub: Princess Cadance and Shining Comp / Secret Agent Derpy / Rarity's Master Hat / A Hearth's Warming Gift / Wanna Be a Wonderbolt  [ http://tinyurl.com/ybnrfos7 ]

00:04 <Cepheid> Oh neptune.  I did the math wrong for my refineries.

00:05 <Cepheid> ... I'm actually producing enough material to create 5.9 sulfur/second.  Enough to barely load two chemical plants making sulfuric acid.

00:08 * PinkieShy hands Cepheid a christmas gift

00:08 <PinkieShy> its chocolate truffles :3

00:08 <Cepheid> Are you trying to kill me?

00:08 <Cepheid> I'm diabetic. :P

00:08 <PinkieShy> :O

00:08 <PinkieShy> sorry!! :(

00:08 <Cepheid> It's fine. :P

00:09 <PinkieShy> You know I have to be careful about that stuff as well

00:09 <PinkieShy> Diabetes run in my family on my mum's side

00:09 <PinkieShy> my mum has it, her mum had it, and her brother has it..

00:09 <Cepheid> I just chose to replace chocolate with something else.  I've since.. "gotten off" of sweets.  I'm no longer addicted to them.

00:09 <Cepheid> Instead, I consume spicy foods and sausage.

00:09 * PinkieShy loves Soy Milk

00:09 <Cepheid> Runs in the family on both sides, here.

00:10 <Cepheid> It was more or less not a question of if I'll develop diabetes, but when.

00:11 <PinkieShy> I sadly eat alot of sugar but compared to what i used to eat in a day.. I'm not nearly that much xD

00:12 <PinkieShy> Used to be able to drink 6 sodas a day, 6 little debbie snack cakes, and 2 bowls of cereal a day..

00:12 <PinkieShy> Now i only drink soda maybe only once a week..

00:12 <PinkieShy> and snack cakes very rare for me lol

00:13 <Cepheid> Same.  I developed a sweets habit like my dad, so I consumed a lot of sugar.  Probably accelerated the development of diabetes, that.

00:13 <Cepheid> That said, I hardly consume any sugar these days.

00:14 <Cepheid> I've switched to mostly sugar-free foods.  If there is any sugar in anything I eat, it's such miniscule amounts that it's harmless compared to say, a can of soda.

00:14 <RazorSharpFang> Cepheid eats no fruit

00:14 <Cepheid> I eat the occasional apple here and there, or tangerine, but even that's rare, these days.  More like a treat type thing.

00:14 <PinkieShy> Cepheid watch out for the foods that claim their sugar free :P

00:15 <PinkieShy> Some i heard use the fake sugar sweeteners thingy

00:15 <RazorSharpFang> Some sugar free candy has laxitive effects XD

00:19 <Cepheid> PinkieShy:  I admit some of them have problems, but they're still a better alternative to consuming sodas with sugar in them.

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00:25 <Librarian> im in a very bad mood

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00:26 * Verandure resorts to the emergency book pile to console the livid Librarian.

00:26 <Librarian> owo

00:26 <Librarian> book group hug

00:27 * Verandure bear hugs the Librarian.

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01:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Timey 98 / Frozen North / Blue Hearth's / Cherry 3:6 / Hypnosis 2 / Temple 20 / Reflection 5 / Yourself 239 / New Life 10 [ http://tinyurl.com/yav7z9xs ]

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01:11 <Cepheid> Right, so, I'm off to bed now.  I'll see the lot of you nutjobs tomorrow afternoon probably.  I'm going to an exam, gonna finish it, then get some ramen downtown, followed by going home.  Probably won't be back until 1 PM EST or so.

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01:49 <Snapai> !link https://derpibooru.org/1613071

01:49 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this picture is about dialogue captain underpants eyes closed solo boombox (and 12 more)

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02:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1296 [ http://tinyurl.com/ycadf4op ]

02:02 <Snapai> What category should I have my stream in on Picarto today? I'm doing cartoon pony animation. So does it go in Cartoon, Pony, or Animation?

02:02 <Verandure> I think they prefer if pony is put in pony

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02:47 <DashedRainbows> Ford evening horses

02:47 <Verandure> Evenin', DashedRainbows.

02:48 * DashedRainbows does pony things now

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03:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto:  Everything Wrong With MLP: The Movie in 12 Minutes or Less [ http://tinyurl.com/ydgv6smj ]

03:04 <PinkieShy> my back has been hurting ever since waking up this morning :(

03:05 <Verandure> Did'ya sleep sitting up?

03:06 <PinkieShy> No

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03:20 <PinkieShy> roblox kicked me off the server thinking i was cheating.. o_o

03:20 <PinkieShy> i don't have cheat engine or anything alike lol

03:25 <RazorSharpFang> PinkieShy, It's probably too sensitive to retransmitting packets, or the like

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04:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: SFM: House of Gold [ http://tinyurl.com/y7sqmc35 ]

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04:10 <Thelema5> Hello everypony

04:10 <Verandure> Hiya, Thelema5.

04:12 <Thelema5> What's new?

04:14 <Verandure> Not tooooo much. Just a ctrl+c ctrl+v of yesterday.

04:15 <Verandure> And you?

04:15 <Thelema5> Been there

04:16 <Thelema5> I've nearly made it through my first week with the new job and have been super stressed over it

04:16 * PinkieShy hugs Thelema5

04:16 * Verandure also hugs the Thelema5. And the sore-backed PinkieShy.

04:16 <Thelema5> Trying to tell myself not to stress, you don't really even want this job but still.

04:16 * Thelema5 counterhugs both pones!

04:18 <Thelema5> Working from home is strange.  I've barely gone outside since Monday

04:19 <Verandure> Don't you usually do nature walks?

04:19 <Thelema5> When I can, yeah

04:19 <Thelema5> But that hasn't been an option so far with this job

04:20 <Verandure> Exercise is a big thing to keep track of. Don't want them joints to atrophy. You'd be surprised how much walking you do f you work in an office.

04:21 <Thelema5> I know it.  I track my steps; I averaged around 10000 per day before losing my office job.  Since I got laid off I'm averaging about 4000

04:21 <Thelema5> Now with this new job I'm moving even less, pretty much from my home office to the bathroom and back\

04:23 <Verandure> Eeck. Yeah, gotta be careful with that. I'd recommend working while standing for a little bit, each hour. Maybe some squats/light exercises when you go to the bathroom or kitchen.

04:23 <Verandure> Just to keep things limber.

04:23 <PinkieShy> Just got called a rude name for giving 5bits on twitch..

04:23 <Verandure> ?

04:23 <Ali> 5 bitcoins or 5 bucks

04:24 <PinkieShy> bits are twitch's currency

04:24 <PinkieShy> its like a penny a bit lol

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04:25 <Thelema5> People can be idiots, PinkieShy.  Don't take it seriously

04:26 <Verandure> Yup yup yup. They should be thankful getting anything at all.

04:29 <PinkieShy> We didn't tell them to stream..

04:37 <DashedRainbows> Meh

04:38 <Golden> Good night everyone

04:38 <Verandure> Night, Golden!

04:39 <Golden> Cya Vera ^~^

04:40 <DashedRainbows> Night

04:42 * DashedRainbows licks Thelema5

04:44 * PinkieShy licks DashedRainbows

04:44 * Thelema5 tries to taste nice

04:44 * Verandure licks PinkieShy.

04:44 <DashedRainbows> Eh, you all taste of horse

04:50 <Thelema5> I just learned that there will be a nation-wide release of The Room

04:50 <Thelema5> That's incredible

04:51 <Thelema5> Talk about a mobilized fan base.

04:54 <DashedRainbows> That's good

04:54 <Verandure> Ironic* fan-base

04:54 <DashedRainbows> One day I will watch it all

04:54 <Verandure> Oh, Hi DashedRainbows.

04:55 <DashedRainbows> Hay

04:55 <DataByte> Which "The Room" are we talking about?

04:55 <Verandure> You're tearing me apart, Lisa!

04:55 <Verandure> Probably not the Silent Hill game.

04:55 <Thelema5> The Tommy Wiseau film

04:56 <DashedRainbows> I watched like a fourth

04:56 <DashedRainbows> I remember almost none

04:57 <Thelema5> I've only watched half.  I really enjoyed The disaster Artist, though, and I love watching interviews with Tommy.  He's like an alien.

04:57 <Verandure> I watched the whole thing, recently.

04:57 <DashedRainbows> 0.o

04:57 <Verandure> Watching 1/4 is like watching the whole thing with how many repeated scenes there are.

04:58 <DashedRainbows> I remember that

04:58 <Verandure> I hadn't even heard of it until this year -- my friend made me watch it over the summer =P

04:58 <Thelema5> Yup.  That's why I stopped watching.

04:58 <Schism> Verandure: Oh lord, Silent Hill: The Room.  "You're tearing me apart, Robbie!"

04:59 <Verandure> You're tearing me apart, apparition in the walls!

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04:59 <DashedRainbows> Even the actors got bored

04:59 <Thelema5> I have to awkwardly admit to shedding a tear or two during The Disaster Artist.  Wiseau is portrayed as a really tragic character, I felt so bad for him!@

05:00 <Thelema5> He gave everything only to be mocked

05:00 <DashedRainbows> That's life

05:01 <Verandure> There was an actor that quit during filming. Instead of reshooting scenes, there's just a new actor shoved in towards the end with the same name and roll

05:01 <Verandure> It is hilariously awful

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05:01 <DashedRainbows> What

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05:01 <Verandure> A psychologist friend of the protagonist.

05:02 <DashedRainbows> ...

05:02 <DashedRainbows> That's awesome

05:02 <Thelema5> Yeah, replaced mid-film with no re-shoots

05:03 <DashedRainbows> Sounds like a fun film

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05:08 <Thelema5> Weird, my new kayboard uses FN + F2 & F3 to turn volume up and down

05:08 <Thelema5> *keyboard

05:08 <Verandure> He went to Kay[board]

05:09 <Thelema5> Heh

05:10 <DashedRainbows> How unfortunate

05:15 * DashedRainbows sits on Verandure

05:16 * Verandure auto-defenestrates.

05:16 <Thelema5> But ou didn't like it.

05:16 <Thelema5> *you

05:17 <Thelema5> I was going to tell you a time travel joke.

05:17 * DashedRainbows can fly though

05:17 * Verandure can't. =3

05:18 <Thelema5> Therapist: what would you say to your dad if he were alive today?

05:18 * Thelema5 sorry for cremating you, I honestly thought you were dead.

05:19 * DashedRainbows scowls like Luna

05:21 * Ali facehooves

05:22 * DashedRainbows hugs Thelema5

05:23 * Thelema5 counterhugs

05:24 * DashedRainbows squees

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05:32 <Thelema5> !seen KooK

05:32 <DerpyBot> Thelema5: The last time I saw KooK was 2017-12-19 15:47:27 UTC

05:32 <PinkieShy> !hug

05:32 <DerpyBot> Hugtiem? :3

05:32 <PinkieShy> Yes

05:32 * DerpyBot wraps her front hooves around PinkieShy in a tight embrace

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05:34 <Starwatcher> hmm.

05:34 <DashedRainbows> Woah

05:34 <Starwatcher> ?

05:34 <DashedRainbows> You

05:35 <Starwatcher> I am unremarkable.

05:35 <Starwatcher> but it's nice to see you, Dashed Rainbows

05:35 <Starwatcher> how have you been

05:35 <Verandure> Hiiiiiya Starwatcher. =3

05:35 <Starwatcher> hi Verandure

05:35 <DashedRainbows> Staying alive

05:35 <Starwatcher> kind of the same here. mostly.

05:36 * DashedRainbows flops on over Starwatcher

05:36 * Starwatcher hugs DashedRainbows

05:37 <Thelema5> Starwatcher, hi!

05:37 <Thelema5> How has your work with nasa gone?

05:38 <Thelema5> "those bastards"

05:38 <Starwatcher> ?

05:38 <Starwatcher> heh

05:38 <DashedRainbows> My poor virgin ears!

05:38 <Starwatcher> it went well, actually.

05:38 <DashedRainbows> :P

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05:39 <Starwatcher> im home now

05:39 <Thelema5> That's great!

05:39 <Starwatcher> and they didn't seem to think I was a complete idiot, which wsa good I guess?

05:39 <Starwatcher> so I faked it well enough.

05:39 <LittleTwillie> Hi pony pals

05:39 <Starwatcher> how have you been?

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05:39 <Thelema5> Starwatcher, fake it until you make it

05:39 <DashedRainbows> Yo

05:40 <LittleTwillie> I've been good a little sad that this season of MLP is over

05:40 <LittleTwillie> I'm already looking forward to next year

05:40 <DashedRainbows> That's so soon

05:40 <Thelema5> LittleTwillie, more pony is coming.

05:41 <LittleTwillie> Did everyone seems the movie

05:41 <DashedRainbows> It was fun

05:41 <Thelema5> Pretty much

05:41 <Starwatcher> I haven't but I want to

05:42 <DashedRainbows> I bought it on digital

05:42 <Thelema5> It's open for discussion

05:42 <LittleTwillie> I loved the story and the music was beautiful

05:43 <LittleTwillie> It would have been perfect had they used the tv format though :>

05:44 <Starwatcher> was the writing pretty good?

05:44 <LittleTwillie> I thought it's was

05:44 <DashedRainbows> Nah, seeing it in theaters was cool

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05:45 <LittleTwillie> I had to wait till it came on tv

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05:45 <LittleTwillie> I wish they would make a 5th EG movie

05:46 <Jahnesta> Morning DashedRainbows

05:46 <DashedRainbows> I wish a lot of things too

05:46 <Jahnesta> LitteTwillie Me too! :D

05:46 <DashedRainbows> For the franchise I mean

05:47 <DashedRainbows> It's near midnight, Jahnesta

05:47 <LittleTwillie> I really liked all of them but the legend of everfree was by far my favorite

05:47 <Jahnesta> Not here;)

05:47 <Jahnesta> ;)

05:47 <Jahnesta> Mine too!

05:47 <Jahnesta> OwO

05:47 <DashedRainbows> I liked rainbow Rocks

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05:49 * Jahnesta o3o ’s

05:51 <Jahnesta> :0

05:51 <DashedRainbows> I'm still bummed that there are no cons nearby anymore

05:51 <Verandure> Yeah, I missed the last one in my area =\

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05:52 <Jahnesta> I was watching a vide, but I just now got that my headphones didn't work...

05:52 <DashedRainbows> Where do you live btw

05:52 <Jahnesta> Video

05:52 <DashedRainbows> I've done that

05:52 <Jahnesta> But I is being kinda sneaky now...

05:53 <Jahnesta> Or I was...

05:53 <DashedRainbows> All things must end

05:53 <Starwatcher> yes.

05:53 <Verandure> Nightmare Nights was the one nearest me.

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05:54 <DashedRainbows> Me too, Verandure, so sad

05:55 <DashedRainbows> It was fun while it lasted sorta

05:55 <DashedRainbows> I nearly died of anxiety but I eventually had fun

05:56 <Verandure> Did you go to one of 'em?

05:56 <Starwatcher> I'd like to go to one someday

05:56 <DashedRainbows> Yeah, this year

05:56 <Starwatcher> never have been

05:56 <Verandure> I didn't much enjoy the one I went to, since I went alone. But I'd recommend it as an experience.

05:57 <DashedRainbows> Figured it was my last chance ever

05:57 <Starwatcher> that's basically what would happen to me, going alone would be no fun.

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05:57 <Starwatcher> (hi confusionrift)

05:57 * DashedRainbows licks ConfusionRift

05:57 * ConfusionRift waves.

05:57 <DashedRainbows> Eh

05:57 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.

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05:58 * ConfusionRift patpats DashedRainbows.

05:58 <Jahnesta> Heya

05:58 <DashedRainbows> I went alone, it was still fun

05:58 <Verandure> All the physics panels were canceled for the one I went to, which made me the sad.

05:59 <DashedRainbows> I attended one

06:00 <DashedRainbows> Part of one

06:01 <Starwatcher> =/

06:02 <DashedRainbows> Of course it'd have been better not alone but nobody would want to go with me anyway

06:02 <Verandure> If I hadn't been really busy with work, I'd have gone =\

06:02 <Verandure> Being that it was the last one, of course.

06:03 <DashedRainbows> I'm just a burden anyway

06:03 <DashedRainbows> Sigh

06:03 <Starwatcher> DashedRainbows, it's hard but.. try not to think that way.

06:04 <Starwatcher> you're a nice person and I'd hang out with you, for what that's worth.

06:04 * Verandure noms on DashedRainbows self-deprecating thoughts.

06:05 <Verandure> I'd have been happy to meet you, up there, had I gone.

06:05 <DashedRainbows> Y'all say that but I've never really recovered since the thing. Guess it's good I can recognize that

06:07 * Ali boops DashedRainbows

06:08 * Starwatcher hugs DashedRainbows

06:08 <Starwatcher> we like you.

06:08 <Starwatcher> try to feel that instead...

06:09 * DashedRainbows needs to sleep, doesn't want to think about this. Good night

06:10 <Verandure> Good night, DashedRainbows.

06:13 <Starwatcher> Sleep well

06:14 <ConfusionRift> Have a good one.

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07:00 <BarryFromMarz> howdy

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07:10 <BarryFromMarz> take care, good night to all of you

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09:10 * Cepheid flops in.

09:11 * Ali flops on Cepheid with a sickly whimper

09:11 * ConfusionRift flops and explodes.

09:11 <Cepheid> Sick, Ali?

09:12 * Cepheid removes the hidden Michael Bay from the channel.

09:13 <Ali> Self inflicted Cepheid...

09:13 <Cepheid> How so?

09:13 <Ali> My holiday plans are destroyed

09:13 <Ali> So I get upset

09:13 <Ali> When I get upset my stomach goes south

09:14 <Cepheid> Oof.

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09:15 <Cepheid> What happened?

09:16 <Ali> All I'm going to say is I'm not going anywhere for Xmas like planned

09:17 <Cepheid> If it's any consolation, I'm not going anywhere for Christmas either.  I generally don't do anything this time of year except sleep and slack off.

09:17 <Cepheid> Which is probably gonna hurt me today in today's exam.

09:18 * Ali hopes Cepheid does well on his exam today.

09:18 <Cepheid> I'll pass, that much is certain.

09:19 <Cepheid> It's more a question of how good a mark I'll get given I barely studied for it.  But then again, I didn't study for my other exams either, and the average for them is ~82%.

09:19 * Ali still wants to wish Cepheid luck.

09:20 <Cepheid> Hum, how much is this exam worth anyhow..?

09:20 <Cepheid> 35%.  Yeah, I'll be fine.

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09:21 <Cepheid> Assuming I get exactly 50%..

09:21 * Cepheid does some math to see what his final mark would be assuming second-to-worst-case scenario.

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09:22 <Cepheid> Assuming I get exactly 50%, I would still come out with an A.

09:23 <Cepheid> If I manage an average final exam mark of 82%..

09:23 <Cepheid> I'd have an A+ for my final course mark.

09:23 <Cepheid> To get anything LOWER than an A+..

09:24 * Ali is confused how a 50% on an exam can still end up with an A

09:24 <Cepheid> I'm talking final course mark.

09:28 <Cepheid> Oop.  I made a slight miscalculation.  If I get 50% on the final exam, I get a B+.  If I get an 82% on my final exam, it's an A.  To get an A+, I would need... 87%.  *Shrugs*  In any case I'm set.

09:30 <Cepheid> In other news, I need to wash my sheets again, it seems.  Sitting down here in the living room, my nose is fine.  Go upstairs to lay in bed, my nose feels closed up a bit.  Sit up in my chair in my bedroom, nose is fine again.

09:31 <Cepheid> At a minimum the pillows and pillowcases need a washing, it looks like.

09:39 <Cepheid> I think I figured out what breed of cat Spitfire is.

09:41 <Cepheid> Research indicates that he is likely a British Bombay.  They're pretty much the same as American Bombay cats, but the eye colours vary a bit more.

09:41 <Cepheid> American Bombay cats have bright copper eyes.  British Bombay cats can have copper, bronze or green eyes.  Spitfire's is a mix between bronze and green.

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09:42 <CleverDerpy> derp?

09:44 <Cepheid> derp.

09:44 <Cepheid> Ping?  Pong!  Derp?  Derp!

09:45 <CleverDerpy> derp!

09:45 * CleverDerpy hugs a Cepheid

09:45 <Cepheid> How are you?

09:45 <CleverDerpy> goodles, kinda tired

09:46 <Cepheid> Same.  Woke up at around 2 AM after 5 hours of sleep.  I dunno why I'm not sleeping well.  I just wake up and find myself wide awake.

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09:47 <CleverDerpy> I know the feeling

09:48 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/_MINE_mine/status/930357983346753537 So, this was apparently made on a 3DS.

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09:51 <CleverDerpy> probably flipnote studio 3d

09:53 <Cepheid> Yeah, looks it.

09:53 <Cepheid> Still.

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09:57 <ConfusionRift> Eeeech! Yeah, that looks very flipnote, and... wow.

10:00 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/_MINE_mine/status/942393432399495168 This tweet shows the tool he is using on his 3DS.

10:07 * Ali glomps CleverDerpy

10:08 <Tirek> Greeting.

10:10 <Cepheid> https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/why-i-couldn39t-be-a-math-teacher In my case, this is "Why I couldn't be a programming teacher."

10:13 <Cepheid> ConfusionRift:  If you somehow have a PS4, there's something of interest starting today that you might be interested in.

10:14 <Cepheid> There's a Monster Hunter World open beta going on.  Accessible to anyone who own's a PS4, PS+ not required.

10:15 <ConfusionRift> Oh, did hear of that. Have to get it later on to check it out.

10:15 <ConfusionRift> Completely forgot it was today.

10:15 <Tirek> http://picosong.com/wRcRR/

10:15 <Cepheid> Yeah, it's only 5.5g to download too, so not too large.

10:20 * Cepheid puts kitties onto Ali's head.

10:20 * Ali squeaks, she already has active kittens

10:21 <ConfusionRift> Probably one quest/stage.

10:22 <Cepheid> Based on what I've seen, it's a bit more than that.

10:22 <Cepheid> Dun forget, they had the closed beta a while back.  This beta's the same thing, only available to all.

10:23 <Cepheid> So whatever they saw a week ago, we'll see now.  Though, apparently the biggest problem isn't the occasional bug here and there.

10:23 <Cepheid> There are... reports of players being killed by a "feature"

10:23 <Cepheid> Basically, when a monster shows up for the first time, the game zooms in on it all cinematic-like.

10:23 <Cepheid> Problem is, the game's logic is STILL RUNNING during this scene.

10:24 <ConfusionRift> Are... are you serious? That's a classical mistake!

10:24 <Cepheid> So the camera suddenly goes from being on your character, to zooming in on a new monster.  While your current character is being chomped on by a monster.

10:24 <Ali> At least its not Fallout 4's engine!

10:24 <ConfusionRift> Well, it's a beta. It's the least of the issues.

10:24 <Cepheid> Yeah, it'll likely be refined somehow.

10:24 <Ali> Cause we all know IT JUST WORKS

10:25 <Cepheid> It'll likely just be replaced with the typical *ALERT! music* and the flashing eye.

10:25 <Cepheid> It was a nice try to be all cool and all, but it's gonna cause trouble unless they pause the logic for every player in the hunt, which would look weird if some players weren't near the monster at that time.

10:26 <ConfusionRift> "Warning! Warning! Large craft approaching, attack and destroy!"

10:26 <Cepheid> Heh.

10:26 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, other bugs noticed include being launched into the stratosphere, and the tracking skill occasionally pointing out way into the ocean where you can't go.

10:27 <Cepheid> But otherwise reports indicate it's a solid game.

10:27 <ConfusionRift> Yeah, the other installments didn't have that issue. I think it just paused everything and played an FMV.

10:27 <Cepheid> With one niggling factor that'll probably peeve players off.  The beta/demo requires internet connection to work outright, even for singleplayer.  That may just be due to the time limited nature of it, but..

10:28 <Cepheid> On the other hand, given the nature of the game, and it's release on PC, I am starting to lean more and more towards a preference of online-only.

10:28 <Ali> Was Monster Hunter mostly Nintendo only?

10:28 <Cepheid> Not really.

10:28 <Cepheid> It's 50/50 Sony and Nintendo.

10:29 <Ali> It just seemed that the last few were only on the DS

10:29 <Cepheid> Monster Hunter 1 and 2, and their expansions/remakes/ports have all been on Sony hardware.  Monster Hunter 3 was on the Wii, then got ported to the PSP and PS3 a few years later.  A few years LATER it got a port to the Wii U and 3DS.

10:30 <Cepheid> Monster Hunter 4 and Monster Hunter Cross/Generations on the 3DS, with their expansions also being on the 3DS and Switch.

10:30 <Cepheid> The various spinoffs are all on different platforms.

10:31 <ConfusionRift> There was a snag between Capcom and Sony at one point, hence the Nintendo releases.

10:31 <Cepheid> PSP, 3DS, PS3, Phones.

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10:31 <Cepheid> ConfusionRift:  Wouldn't surprise me if it had anything to do with cross-platform play or something relating to networking.

10:32 <Cepheid> Sony's got a pretty tight grip on their network.  Cross-platform play is possible with a PS4, as was recently demonstrated by a small glitch in Rocket League, but Sony is being a scrooge about it.

10:33 <Ali> Isn't Sony gonna be very careful with networking ever since those hacks years ago?

10:35 <ConfusionRift> Nah, there was some dispute between them. If I remember correctly, Capcom was planning on leaving MH away from Sony altogether. With that, Capcom left their IP with Nintendo, which is why 3 Ultimate , 4, and 4 Ultimate were on the 3DS and Wii U.

10:35 <ConfusionRift> Alas, seems they're back where they originally were.

10:35 <Cepheid> Alas.

10:36 <Cepheid> I also suspect that the co-operation between Sony and Capcom is partly responsible for why we haven't seen MHXX for the Switch in the West.

10:36 * Ali can't wait for Megaman 11

10:36 <Cepheid> Capcom argues that it's because it's not a main series game, that the team responsible for MH 1-4 and their expansions weren't responsible for MHX/XX.

10:38 <Cepheid> Honestly, right now I'm fine with it, as I haven't really gotten around to MHX yet.  Still working on MH4 slowly.  If I do want to see anything from Capcom regarding Monster Hunter, it's a PC beta/demo of Monster Hunter World.

10:38 <Cepheid> I want to see whether or not the PC version is going to be decent, or a pile of garbage like a lot of console->PC ports tend to be.

10:39 <Cepheid> Funny how that works.  We use computers on a daily basis to write the code for these games that run on consoles, but publishers can't be bothered to give developers the time to make a decent PC version.

10:41 <ConfusionRift> They just end up porting the games akin to running on an emulator.

10:41 <ConfusionRift> At least the console to PC ports.

10:42 <ConfusionRift> It's a whole different structure, but it shouldn't be a problem to make sure it runs as it should by PC hardware.

10:42 <Cepheid> More or less.

10:42 <Cepheid> Well... No.

10:43 <Cepheid> Architectural differences can change the performance of a given algorithm.  What's good for the PS4 may be bad for the PC, and vice versa.

10:44 * ConfusionRift nods.

10:44 <Cepheid> I'd argue that because the PS4 is an x86_64 architecture device, to say that the same techniques on a PC would work as well on a PS4 and vice versa is a lie.  There are differences involved.

10:44 <Cepheid> Namely, the PS4 has one addition and one major change that I am aware of.

10:45 <Cepheid> It has a hardware decompressor for a particular compression algorithm, and the main memory is GDDR5.

10:45 <Cepheid> It's using graphics memory instead of the standard memory that a PC has.

10:46 <Cepheid> Which I assume changes how memory accesses work and perform.  The hardware decompression likely also beats out anything a CPU can do.

10:47 <Cepheid> Oops, it's quarter to 6.  I gotta go take my shower.  I'll be back in a bit.

10:50 <ConfusionRift> Alrighty.

10:50 * Schism yawns, and boops folks with some creamed peas on toast.

10:56 * ConfusionRift boops Schism with garlic toast. :P

11:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1075 [ http://tinyurl.com/y7kt8jqq ]

11:05 <Cepheid> All good.

11:06 <Cepheid> Now where wa-  Ah, yeah, hardware decompression.  The PS4 has a bit of an advantage over PCs because of it.  Though that advantage has probably closed now, since we have like, 6, 8, 10, 12 and 14-core processors on the market now.

11:06 <Cepheid> It'd be no trouble to dedicate one or two cores entirely to zlib decompression/compression.

11:10 <Cepheid> That or use an Intel processor that includes a hardware implementation of the DEFLATE algorithm.  Apparently certain processors support it.

11:11 <Cepheid> ... Or one of the PCI-e cards.

11:12 <Cepheid> http://www.aha.com/DrawProducts.aspx?Action=GetProductDetails&ProductID=41 They even support replacement DLLs and such, so applications that are built against the software implementation can make use of the hardware implementation without any changes.

11:16 <Cepheid> Arguably you could also just throw an FPGA board into a computer and program it to do DEFLATE as well.  Probably would cost less than that section up there.  The driver would be problematic, admittedly, but it can be done.

11:17 <Cepheid> GPU Compute can also probably be used as well.

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11:18 <Cepheid> I'm just talking to myself aren't I?

11:18 <ConfusionRift> Not really.

11:19 <Ali> I'm listening

11:19 <ConfusionRift> I just don't have a good reply to it.

11:19 * Ali keeps trying to find CleverDerpy

11:20 <Cepheid> Fair enough.

11:20 <Cepheid> I know I can get a little deep into some subjects and talk a lot, so I get a little self-conscious when people stop replying now.

11:21 <ConfusionRift> The tech and knowhow are there, but it's really up to them to implement or work around that to make their project work when ported.

11:21 <ConfusionRift> It also takes more time to adjust to both structures.

11:22 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.

11:22 <Cepheid> Truth told, on the PS4, I'm not even sure if the hardware is usable as a development addition.

11:22 * Ali sadly didn't understand any of it

11:22 <Cepheid> It's listed as an "on-the-fly decompressor for data on the blu-ray disc"

11:23 * ConfusionRift shrugs.

11:24 <ConfusionRift> The only way to know is with a dev kit.

11:26 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.

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11:26 <ConfusionRift> Or other means. I mean, people already use forms of decompressors for most disc formats to mess around with game assets.

11:31 <Schism> Ahh, Steropes with like 6 people.

11:31 * Cepheid uses static assertions and templating to make a simple "byte buffer" that he can write to.

11:31 <Cepheid> ... Geezus cripes, long double is 16 bytes on this machine?  That's 128 bits.

11:32 <Cepheid> 1 sign bit, 15 exponent bits, 112 frac-  ...

11:32 <Schism> War?

11:34 <Cepheid> Hmm?

11:34 <Schism> Eh, nothin'.  But yeah.  Freakin' Steropes.

11:35 <Cepheid> Yep.  He's fun.

11:35 <Schism> First time we tried it tonight, we failed with 9% HP remaining and I revived at least 10 times over.  THIS time I managed to dodge all his 100-tonze swings, and even stun a few.

11:36 <Cepheid> After today, and a bit of trying out of Monster Hunter World, I'ma hop back onto FF14.

11:37 <Schism> Sadly I'm about to run out of time on it, and I still have yet to find a job so that I can pay for it.

11:37 <Schism> (Just came back for 4 days.)

11:38 <Cepheid> Oof.

11:40 <Cepheid> Anyways, I shall be back later.  I need to head off to school and I'm getting a ride in because A)  It's an exam at 9 AM, and B)  The weather is disastrous, and C)  People rushing everywhere to catch busses, planes, etc for the Christmas weekend.

11:40 <Cepheid> This leads to a bunch of unreliability and bad traffic.

11:40 <Schism> Fun... well, good luck, and take care!

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11:41 <Cepheid> Thanks.  I'll get back on when I reach the school, since I'm leaving way too early anyways.

11:48 <ConfusionRift> Catch-a-lateeers.

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12:08 <Cyan_Spark> !shoo

12:08 * DerpyBot sways from side to side, quietly humming "shoo be doo shoo shoo be doo"

12:08 <Cyan_Spark> c:

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12:42 <ConfusionRift> Welcome back.

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12:50 <Cepheid> Thanks.

12:51 <Cepheid> Alumni hall is busy already, it's not even close to exam time.  Finding a socket was a pain.

12:52 <Gladlygrey> who needs a socket when you can lug around a UPS

12:53 <Cepheid> I only have so much space in my bag

12:53 <ConfusionRift> "Why are you carrying a car battery and a converter?" | Screw me fighting for an outlet!

12:54 <Gladlygrey> hey one of those tesla batteries could hold a decent amount

12:54 <Cepheid> https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/product/ups/se450g/ Heh.

12:55 <Gladlygrey> and there are smallish 350 watt upses

12:55 <ConfusionRift> But my wallet won't. :P

12:55 <Cepheid> They do have small UPSes meant for PCs.

12:55 <Cepheid> A laptop doesn't draw as much power as a PC, so it's a viable solution.

12:55 <Gladlygrey> au contraire, the less money you have the more your wallet will hold

12:56 <Gladlygrey> yeah a laptop isnt going to.draw, say, the 550-600 watts my pc was going to draw

12:56 <ConfusionRift> Depends on how big the bills are, the amount, the overall weight, and... wait, we were talking about UPSes.

12:57 <Gladlygrey> and not the shipping company

12:57 <Cepheid> That UPS I linked is $45.

12:57 <ConfusionRift> Alas, these UPSeseses are mostly to keep your system powered long enough for you to save your work and shut it down properly.

12:57 <Gladlygrey> i prefer my ponies forcefully romantically paired by UPS

12:58 <Cepheid> That's true, ConfusionRift.

12:58 <Cepheid> But laptops do not draw as much power as a PC does.

12:58 <Cepheid> So they can act as a battery pack of sorts for a laptop.

12:58 <Gladlygrey> yeah, some upses give you like 30 minutes max draw

12:58 <Gladlygrey> a laptop uses like 20, 30 watts with medium use?

12:59 <Cepheid> I don't know offhand.

12:59 <ConfusionRift> That's true as well, but I don't think they will supply that much still. But surely there's a battery backup solution that's portable. Oh, and yeah, this one is not that small.

12:59 <Gladlygrey> intel and amd -u cpus use 15 watts

12:59 <Cepheid> But given that power adapters tend to be 60w or 90w for most laptops..

13:02 <ConfusionRift> Wait, a car battery recharger! I know there are car battery chargers that already have 12v outlets, aren't that heavy, and aren't that big.

13:03 <ConfusionRift> Oh, just like this- NOPE! That is not a reasonable price tag.

13:08 <Gladlygrey> a handcrank generator and a voltage regulator

13:09 <Gladlygrey> or plug a PSU into the wall so 10 people can share

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13:21 <Cepheid> I don't fully understand the mechanics of a move constructor and move assignment operator, it seems..

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13:27 <Gladlygrey> what is this, asm?

13:30 <Cepheid> No.  C++11

13:34 <Cepheid> Right, I'm gonna go wait for my exam now.  See you in a few hours.

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13:40 <Jahnesta> Hey

13:41 <Cepheid> Alumni Hall is packed to the bursting point.  This is stupid.

13:42 * Schism cooks up some peppers and onions, goes 'gah!' as the sulfides hit his eyes.

13:42 <Cepheid> Doors are open.  Laters all.

13:43 <Jahnesta> Bya D:

13:43 <Jahnesta> :D\

13:43 <Jahnesta> :D

13:43 * Jahnesta Patpats Schism

13:53 <Gladlygrey> *pats schism’s eyes with water*

14:05 <Schism> Mmm.  Cheese, onion and pepper omelet.

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15:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: SDreamExplorerS - Eclair Therapy [Acoustic] [ http://tinyurl.com/ya3edqt8 ]

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15:53 <DashedRainbows> Good morning, horses

15:57 <Cepheid> Gaaaahhhhh

15:57 <Cepheid> Hardest exam of the bunch.  As expected.

15:58 <Cepheid> Brain took its sweet tike booting up too.  I also just remembered how to solve two questions just now.

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16:06 <Cepheid> Heavens it's cold.

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16:16 <CleverDerpy> hiya

16:17 <Cepheid> Hoooi.

16:17 <Cepheid> C'mooon bank and slater.  Getting peckish.

16:31 <Finwe> Lt Cdr CleverDerpy, AB Cepheid.

16:31 <Finwe> o7

16:31 <Finwe> Miss DashedRainbows.

16:31 <Cepheid> Blah.  Change of plans.  Hour long wait time at restaurant.  I am not waiting.

16:31 <CleverDerpy> RAdm. Finwe

16:31 * Finwe doffs his brand new hat courtesy of CleverDerpy.

16:32 * CleverDerpy salutes

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16:32 <CleverDerpy> you like dat hat, huh~?

16:32 <Finwe> Thank you yet again for this exquisite hat, Lt Cdr.

16:32 <CleverDerpy> you're welcome sir

16:32 * Finwe hugs a CleverDerpy.

16:32 * CleverDerpy purrs

16:33 * DashedRainbows licks CleverDerpy and hugs Finwe

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16:36 * Jahnesta Bounces in a chatroom

16:36 * DashedRainbows chew on Jahnesta

16:37 * Jahnesta Squeezes

16:37 <Jahnesta> *Squeak squeak*

16:37 <DashedRainbows> Yay

16:39 * Jahnesta Rolls away

16:42 <Cepheid> Cold.  Cold cold cold cold cold cold cold cold cold cold cold cold.

16:43 * Jahnesta Snugs Cepheid for warms

16:44 <DashedRainbows> It got real cold here too overnight

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16:54 <Cepheid> -13C.  -27C with wind factored in.

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16:56 <DashedRainbows> So cold up there

16:56 <DashedRainbows> It's just 6C here

16:58 <Jahnesta> Poor you

16:58 <Cepheid> It's gotten dry and cold.  Dry enough the undersides of my feet are getting rough and cracked.

16:58 <Finwe> -6°C /win 22

16:58 <Finwe> Oops.

16:58 <Jahnesta> It's about the same here

16:58 <Cepheid> So you're saying it's colder here than in Finland.

16:58 <Finwe> It was -6°C in the morning, now it's just -1°C.

16:59 <Finwe> Cepheid: Yes, if it's -13°C there, it's definitely a lot colder than what we have here at the moment.

16:59 <Cepheid> Isn't the extreme cold and darkness the reason the Finnish drink so much?  Because there isn't much else to do in such weather?  Should I be drinking because of how cold and gloomy it is?

17:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: The Intro for the Lyra and Bonbon Holiday Quest in Screenshot Form  [ http://tinyurl.com/ybf8mbme ]

17:00 <Finwe> You have to keep in mind that the Atlantic cyclones bring a lot of warm air here from the Gulf of Mexico.

17:00 <DashedRainbows> So you're saying drink on gloomy days...

17:01 <DashedRainbows> Sounds healthy

17:02 <Finwe> Cepheid: How much do we drink then?

17:03 <Finwe> I assume that you mean alcoholic beverages.

17:03 <Cepheid> Vage references suggest 'lots'.  Especially students and new graduates.

17:03 <Finwe> The Germans, Czechs, Russians, French and many more drink susbstantially more than we do on the average.

17:03 <Cepheid> Yes.  Alcoholic beverages.

17:03 <Cepheid> Vage - vague

17:04 <Finwe> Hmm, wait, I have to take my words back.

17:05 <Finwe> Among OECD countries, Finland is #7.

17:05 <Finwe> according to 2015 figures

17:05 <foxy> hey guys

17:06 <Finwe> Czech Republic leads with 14.1 litres of pure ethyl alcohol per capita annually.

17:06 * Jahnesta Pokes foxy

17:06 <Finwe> Australia is #2 with 12.6 litres.

17:07 <Finwe> Portugal comes third, 12.5 litres per capita.

17:07 * DashedRainbows passes out cider

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17:08 <nightmare-foxy> brb

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17:08 <Finwe> #4 is Slovakia, #5 Hungary, #6 UK, #7 Finland, #8 France, #9 Poland and #10 Luxembourg.

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17:10 <Finwe> Goedenavond, mijnheer Jahnesta.

17:10 * Finwe hats on Jahnesta.

17:10 * Jahnesta Prikt Finwe >:D

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17:11 <Finwe> o3o

17:12 <Finwe> Cepheid: So, we should start by asking Googie, RazorSharpFang, Hat and other mates from the Oz why they drink so much.

17:12 <Finwe> I'm not sure whether we have anyone from the Czech Republic here.

17:13 <Finwe> We should also ask Princess-Luna and the other Britons why they drink so much.

17:14 <Princess-Luna> because they want to?

17:14 <Princess-Luna> it's the same as why americans collect guns, I guess...'cause they're available and there

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17:29 <Finwe> Cepheid: And if we look at other statistics, you seem to compensate what you lack on the alcohol front by using all kinds of narcotics.

17:29 <Finwe> Is it because it's so gloomy and dark in Canada that you use e.g. opiates?

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17:32 <Librarian> im leaving today fro barcelona owo

17:32 <Librarian> i have a 7 hour wait on franfurt

17:37 <Cepheid> ... ye know.   I was joking.  :P

17:39 <Cepheid> That said I don't know why people in Canada use opiates and I wish they'd stop.  They're dying like flies because of it.  Fentanyl is being mixed into many of the drugs.

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17:44 <Cepheid> As for why Canadians drink...  mostly because there's an NHL game on.  Or because their favourite NHL team lost a game.  Or won a game.  Or tied a game.  Or scored a goal.  Or blocked a goal.  Or a player punched someone.

17:45 <Librarian> yet they have the apology meme thing going on

17:45 <Librarian> give beer to a moose

17:45 <Librarian> then let him loose

17:45 <Librarian> loose moose

17:46 <Cepheid> Loose moose on a roof.

17:47 <Cepheid> Loose moose on a goose.

17:47 <Cepheid> ...  I'm losing it.

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17:47 <DashedRainbows> welcome back Jahnesta

17:47 <Jahnesta> :D

17:47 * Jahnesta Squeaks again

17:49 * DashedRainbows barks

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17:52 <Cepheid> Oh fnargle flargle.  I'm home at last.

17:53 <Jahnesta> !t seen Akira

17:53 <Jahnesta> T! Seen Akira

17:53 <Jahnesta> No?

17:53 <DashedRainbows> meh

17:53 <DashedRainbows> !seen Jahnesta

17:53 <DerpyBot> DashedRainbows: Silly filly, your eyes are all derpy. Jahnesta is in the channel.

17:54 <Jahnesta> Ahh

17:54 <Jahnesta> x3

17:54 <Jahnesta> !seen Akira

17:54 <DerpyBot> Jahnesta: The last time I saw Akira was 2017-11-29 14:52:27 UTC

17:54 <DashedRainbows> I hate when people move my meds

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17:57 * Cepheid displaces DashedRainbows meds by 10 units to the left.

17:57 <DashedRainbows> oh noez

17:58 <DashedRainbows> I, like most people, don't like being in pain

17:59 <DashedRainbows> but oh well

18:00 * Jahnesta Moves them 10 units back

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18:01 <Jahnesta> Bai

18:01 <DashedRainbows> if only I could get at my pain med

18:01 <DashedRainbows> cya

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18:16 <DashedRainbows> good afternoon Verandure

18:16 <Verandure> Afternoon, DashedRainbows. How's you, today?

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18:16 <DashedRainbows> not too well

18:17 <Verandure> That's no good. Want to talk about it? I'm free to give an ear.

18:18 <DashedRainbows> simply, nothing seems interesting

18:18 <DashedRainbows> plus I feel unwell physically

18:19 <Verandure> Hmmm... Sorry to hear that. Maybe try writing or drawing -- even if you don't think you're good at it?

18:20 <DashedRainbows> probably will

18:21 <Verandure> As long as it isn't about Starlight =P

18:21 <Verandure> Beyond pony; what are your typical interests, DashedRainbows?

18:23 <DashedRainbows> I guess I used to sometimes play video games

18:23 <DashedRainbows> did programming

18:23 <DashedRainbows> uh

18:24 <DashedRainbows> seems my intestines don't agree

18:24 <Verandure> Yeah, there's a bug going around, it seems.

18:24 <Verandure> I'm pretty sure I'm in the same boat, there.

18:24 <Librarian> anyone ever been to frankfurt?

18:25 <Verandure> "Not I," said the fly.

18:25 <Librarian> or had german cuisine?

18:25 <Verandure> But -- Programming -- was this leisure or work related?

18:26 <Verandure> German Chocolate Cake doesn't count, I presume? =P

18:26 <Librarian> im stuck in frankfurt for 7 hours tommorow, we are going to a restaurant there

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18:26 <Librarian> i would like some tips on da cuisne

18:27 <Verandure> https://dusty-onyx.deviantart.com/art/Bookworm-721166573

18:28 <Verandure> If you know the restaurant name, you can always look up their menu on google to get an idea of what you might want.

18:28 <Librarian> thtas not a worm

18:28 <Librarian> thats da pony

18:28 <Librarian> also what are these rumors thta they are rebboting pony?

18:29 <Verandure> They are things we cannot discuss, here.

18:30 <Librarian> we can discuss the flying speed of a swallow?

18:30 <Verandure> African or European?

18:31 <Librarian> mexican

18:32 <Librarian> im almost donbe with the last season of dr who

18:38 <DashedRainbows> I think that bug already hit me, Verandure, and it was terrible. The propramming was leisure

18:39 <Verandure> Could always try writing a silly pony chatbot =P

18:40 <Librarian> make a librarian bot

18:40 <Librarian> i would be a sensational hit

18:41 <Librarian> i have a site by the way owo

18:41 <Librarian> basic for now, but its my site

18:41 <Cepheid> While the gameplay is there, I am slightly unimpressed with the visuals for MHWorld.  Lot of low-res textures, lots of popping in, popping out, and other techniques for improving performance at the cost of visual quality.

18:42 * DashedRainbows has tried writing a bot, several times

18:42 <Librarian> my bro is excited about it, enought to make me take the ps4 all the way to him

18:42 <Cepheid> That said, what i've seen gameplay wise is pretty impressive.

18:42 <Cepheid> And I like the changes to the light bowgun.  I can freakin run and gun now!

18:43 <Librarian> its it croosplay ?

18:43 <Librarian> like acroos consoles

18:44 <Cepheid> Knowing Sony, no.  XBox and PC, probably, yeah.

18:44 <Cepheid> But adding the PS4 into that mix?  *YAY* no.  It's Sony, they don't care for crossplay, no matter the benefit.

18:44 <Librarian> ohh

18:45 <Cepheid> Given the visual quality and performance on the PS4, I'm going to assume that it's either designed with the PS4 Pro, X Box One X, or the PC.  Or all 3.

18:46 <Cepheid> Though, why the PC version is releasing later on, I don't know.  Probably exclusivity deals with Microsoft and Sony.  Or perhaps to optimize it.

18:46 <DashedRainbows> huh, haven't update intellij in over a year

18:47 <Cepheid> I'm hoping more for testing on many different configurations of PCs, so that ye know, it runs nice on all configurations.

18:47 <Cepheid> Though, this makes me want to play MH4U or MHX, right now.

18:48 <Cepheid> You know, all these sites that complain about me using an adblocker is all fine and dandy, but it'd be nice if they realized one important detail.

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18:48 <Cepheid> I'd remove the adblocker if they stopped using ads that redirect.

18:49 <Cepheid> Proving my point, the other day I disabled my adblocker on Polygon and Kotaku.  WIthin 3 minutes, both sites redirected me.

18:49 <Cepheid> To a "You've got a virus!" type website, at that.

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18:58 <Princess-Luna> it's really not a tenable situation for either party

18:58 <RazorSharpFang> That said, the separation of site, server (ad-server) and advertisement means that the sites aren't even in control these days of the ads that get shown

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19:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Enterplay Adds Movie Poster and Bonus Foil Card to Their Shop  [ http://tinyurl.com/yaw9rg9w ]

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19:10 <Cepheid> Ah, so that's what's going on with my code..

19:10 <Cepheid> A feature in C++11 and higher called NRVO.

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19:13 <Cepheid> So I got myself a ton of booze for the weekend.  What game should I play while drinking and streaming?

19:13 <Librarian> ....

19:13 <Librarian> batlle chef brigade

19:13 <Librarian> tis fun

19:14 <Cepheid> What kind of game is it

19:14 <Cepheid> ?

19:14 <Librarian> its a cooking game where you hunt your own ingredients and cook in a match 3 game

19:14 <Librarian> its very charming

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19:14 <Cepheid> As for why I stream playing games while drinking, it's mostly because it's fun for all.  I get to try and play a game while drinking, and enjoy the game.  People get to watch me screw up horribly and laugh.  Everyone wins. :P

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19:22 <Cepheid> ... The C++17 standard document, in PDF form, is $257 CAD.

19:28 <DashedRainbows> whoa

19:28 <FruitNibbler> Compared to CAD license prices that's cheap

19:30 <Cepheid> True.

19:31 <Cepheid> Software for development used to be ~$1,000 CAD or so.

19:31 <FruitNibbler> Usual license for CAD job is easily 6000Eur/year

19:31 <FruitNibbler> For one PC/person

19:31 <Cepheid> Okay, okay, I get it.

19:31 <Cepheid> Your field's mor eexpensive. :P

19:31 <FruitNibbler> It is more pretentious

19:32 <Cepheid> And of course, with CAD software, you need to use workstation hardware too.

19:32 <FruitNibbler> Idiots that bought iMacs

19:32 <Cepheid> Workstation video cards aren't cheap.

19:32 <FruitNibbler> Which is not even better than any PC in the same price range any more

19:32 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/t/cats/1Zg8C

19:33 <FruitNibbler> Cepheid, well, workstation cards are justified: point cloud calculation is just impossible to do on consumer-grade cards

19:33 <Cepheid> Typically, workstation cards are better at compute workloads.

19:33 <Cepheid> Aye.

19:33 <FruitNibbler> And we get a lot of laser-scan geometry

19:34 <FruitNibbler> Oddly enough, you can't game on those with any sort of graphics quality

19:34 <FruitNibbler> I tried :P

19:34 <Cepheid> Yeah, because again, they're designed for compute workloads.

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19:34 <FruitNibbler> I heard they are good for coin mining though

19:35 <Cepheid> Performance-wise, nVidia's latest workstation card is about as powerful as a GTX 1070 or so, gaming-wise.  They cost $3,000 a piece, though.

19:35 <FruitNibbler> Since they are much more "parallelised"

19:35 <Cepheid> Oh yeah, they are.

19:35 <Cepheid> Workstation cards are great for anything that does parallel Compute-capable workloads.

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19:35 <FruitNibbler> I like one application where workstation is very good

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19:35 <Cepheid> So, cryptography, physics calculations and simulations, CAD work, coin mining, etc.

19:36 <FruitNibbler> Stitching photos into a 3D-landscape

19:36 <FruitNibbler> It is relatively easy for those, and thus it is done very fast

19:36 <Cepheid> Heh.

19:37 <FruitNibbler> It is a "cheat" when you need to draw a 3D object that exists IRL, but you have little time

19:37 <Cepheid> It's not cheating.

19:38 <Cepheid> It's just "using the right tools for the right job."

19:38 <FruitNibbler> You just use manual lase measuring tool to measure crucial spots and then photograph the hell out of it from many points

19:39 <FruitNibbler> After the computer "stitches" photos into a 3D shape you just correct the shape with actual measurements (they are always off) and make a 3D model

19:39 <Cepheid> I think I've seen that tech.

19:39 <FruitNibbler> Oh, I forgot to mention that real world buildings, roads, walls are /never/ perfectly flat

19:39 <Cepheid> Seen a few home-repair shows that utilize the tech to measure countertops, small areas and such, to get a better layout.

19:39 <FruitNibbler> So this method is an approximation

19:40 <Cepheid> Sure, but it works.

19:40 <FruitNibbler> In a pinch it does. But it is far from industry standard

19:40 <FruitNibbler> Good by-product of it is that you have "skins" for your model

19:41 <FruitNibbler> I.e. colours and textures for all surfaces

19:42 <FruitNibbler> Some architects photograph objects intentionally throughout a whole day (from same spots) to then make a better, more pretty light model for their 3D rendering

19:42 <FruitNibbler> it is not a much, but an impressive presentation can mean a contract made, so it is worth the hassle

19:42 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/TheCodewalker/status/943340834405142530 Oh Skyrim, never change.

19:46 * PinkieShy looks at Cepheid

19:47 <FruitNibbler> https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/12/22/nvidia-ruler/

19:48 <Cepheid> Yes, PinkieShy?

19:48 <FruitNibbler> I am not particularly happy with Nvidia as a corporation, but I do want this ruler

19:48 * PinkieShy offers Cepheid a hug

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19:48 <Cepheid> AMD isn't much better, I find.  Their drivers could stand to use a bit better work.

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20:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: Tripon - Nightmare Moon [Drum & Bass] [ http://tinyurl.com/yb3gxgbe ]

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20:11 <Starwatcher> hi Filly_Nightmares

20:11 * Starwatcher hugs warmly

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20:17 <Schism> Cepheid: ...yes, I doubt Skyrim will ever, ever change.

20:18 <Cepheid> :P

20:19 * DashedRainbows glomps Starwatcher

20:19 <Schism> Glad you didn't get trampled in the rush in Alumni Hall, by the way.

20:22 <Starwatcher> hia DashedRainbows

20:22 <Cepheid> Yeah.

20:22 <Cepheid> Geezus, it was a madhouse.

20:22 * Starwatcher hugs

20:22 <Cepheid> Basically a plague factory at that point.

20:24 <DashedRainbows> How's it going for you, Starwatcher

20:24 <Starwatcher> is good thanksies, just resting and planning on grabbing some foods

20:24 <Starwatcher> 'bout you?

20:25 <DashedRainbows> I don't even know anymore

20:25 <DashedRainbows> I'm just here

20:28 <Starwatcher> well

20:28 * Starwatcher sits besides

20:29 <Starwatcher> we can be here together.

20:30 <Cepheid> I'ma head off and try to get some sleep now.  I'm utterly exhausted.  I've been awake since 1:30 AM.

20:31 <Verandure> Night, Cepheid.

20:32 <DashedRainbows> Sleep well mate

20:34 <Starwatcher> cya Cepheid

20:34 <Schism> Rest well.

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20:37 <LittleTwillie> Hi pony pals

20:38 <DashedRainbows> Welcome back LittleTwillie

20:38 <LittleTwillie> Type

20:38 <LittleTwillie> Ty

20:38 <LittleTwillie> Lol auto correct

20:39 <DashedRainbows> Yeah

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20:40 <DashedRainbows> Hey Librarian

20:40 <Librarian> hello

20:40 <LittleTwillie> Got me a new pinkie pie plush

20:41 <DashedRainbows> Pink pony be cool

20:41 <LittleTwillie> Yaks like pink pony pink pony yak friend

20:42 <PinkieShy> My computer was cold as ice a few minutes ago xD

20:42 <DashedRainbows> Yes

20:42 <PinkieShy> My computer got down to 9c on idle xD

20:42 <LittleTwillie> I blame the windagos

20:42 <DashedRainbows> It happens with metal

20:42 <PinkieShy> I blame Pandas

20:43 <LittleTwillie> They are very interesting creatures

20:43 <DashedRainbows> It is pretty cold

20:44 <LittleTwillie> It's going to be getting to the 40s here

20:45 <DashedRainbows> It's 39 now here

20:45 <LittleTwillie> Did y'all get some awesome snow

20:46 <DashedRainbows> What's snow lol

20:46 <LittleTwillie> I know that feeling the humidity kills any chance of getting snow here

20:47 <DashedRainbows> Same here

20:48 <PinkieShy> I'm going to research where i can buy a copy of windows 7 :P

20:48 <LittleTwillie> I want me some powder snow

20:49 <PinkieShy> or a copy of dare i say it.. Windows 8.1 xD

20:49 <Schism> You mean like this, PinkieShy?  http://preview.tinyurl.com/yaqwgz8p

20:50 <LittleTwillie> That's why I stick with XP

20:50 <PinkieShy> Schism yea :O

20:50 <PinkieShy> I'm just thinking of rolling back to a older windows.. Since windows 10 has these issues XD

20:50 <LittleTwillie> Looking forward to awesome new stuff next year

20:52 <LittleTwillie> Although I wouldn't want to live in Alaska I'd turn into a ponysicle up there

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20:54 <LittleTwillie> I love reading I guess that's why I have such an affinity for Twilight

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20:56 <Librarian> time to leave for europe owo

20:56 <Verandure> Have fun!

20:56 <Librarian> if i dont see you, merry chritmas to all!

20:56 <Librarian> yay

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20:57 <DashedRainbows> I hope he has fun

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20:58 <LittleTwillie> Merry Christmas

20:59 <DashedRainbows> It's unfortunate 10 has these issues for you, PinkieShy

20:59 <DashedRainbows> Just a few more days...

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21:00 <LittleTwillie> 8 was the reason why I didn't try 10

21:00 * PinkieShy hands DashedRainbows a present

21:01 <DashedRainbows> Ooh is it a new pony for my collection

21:01 <LittleTwillie> Happy Heartswarming:>

21:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #2481 [ http://tinyurl.com/y8u6bmga ]

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21:04 <LittleTwillie> Discord is my favorite )

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21:09 <Schism> Congrats to anyone who sold their bitcoins at the top of what everybody knew was an unsustainable bubble.

21:10 <LittleTwillie> I really liked seasons 5&6 best this far

21:10 <DashedRainbows> Really?

21:10 <LittleTwillie> Yes

21:10 <DashedRainbows> Huh

21:12 <LittleTwillie> Especially the heartswarming tail because I've always loved Christmas time

21:13 * Surreal_Nightmares gnaws on Schism

21:13 <Surreal_Nightmares> A trading site got hacked and Bitcoin fell. o2o

21:13 *** Surreal_Nightmares is now known as Filly_Nightmares

21:14 * Schism pats the Surry and offers some Welsh rabbit. "Yes, but the two are not necessarily cause-and-effect."

21:14 * Filly_Nightmares gnaws on Schism

21:14 <LittleTwillie> Every action has an opposite and equal reaction

21:15 <Verandure> As it applies to physics.

21:15 <Verandure> Not economics.

21:15 <LittleTwillie> Yes

21:15 * Filly_Nightmares eats existence

21:15 <DashedRainbows> Meh cryptocurrency

21:16 <LittleTwillie> It's still rocket roll to me :>

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21:16 * Schism says, "Entropy always increases." He noms upon a $3,000 loaf of bread.

21:16 <Verandure> It's clearly following the trend of a bubble, but people are trying really hard to say it isn't one.

21:16 <Schism> Verandure, because it's not made of pyramids, it's made of blocks.

21:16 * Filly_Nightmares chews on Schism's neck and purrs

21:17 * Schism patpats the Filly_Nightmares and provides some soup instead?

21:17 * Filly_Nightmares noms the soup and returns to Schism's neck!

21:17 <Verandure> Except it is a pyramid >.> Bitcoins are already converging into fewer and fewer pockets >.>

21:21 <Schism> And someday, the blockchain will merge into a single wallet and finally achieve its apotheosis, becoming BITCOIN, scourge of fiat.

21:21 * Filly_Nightmares eees at Schism for carries!

21:21 * Schism wears a hoodie, puts Filly_Nightmares in hood.

21:25 * Filly_Nightmares purrs and curls up happily! She nibbles on Schism

21:28 <RazorSharpFang> What caused the price to fall?

21:28 <Verandure> People selling off.

21:29 <RazorSharpFang> That's true by definition, I meant a more specific reason

21:33 <Schism> The bubble, in honest truth.  When the highest-value sales are made in large quantity, then people will decide that it's time to sell before the price drops any further, and so speculation drives a downward trend.  This is also what drives a bank run when economies start to truly fail.

21:34 <Schism> Bitcoin, being the very definition of a fiat currency, is even more subseptible to it than many others, as A. its saturation is not ubiquitous, and B. its material backing, such as it is, is... not entirely licit.

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21:36 <RazorSharpFang> Uh. Literally every currency I can think of is fiat.

21:37 <Schism> We could go back to a barter economy.  o3o

21:37 <Schism> Anyway, many of Bitcoin's supporters stated that it was somehow better than fiat.

21:38 <Schism> Something about the price being entirely driven by an open market rather than 'teh gubmint'.

21:38 <RazorSharpFang> I think it's a modified version of fiat, so it's not entirely the same as your traditional fiat currency, but it's not a backed currency either so it's technically fiat, but it's slightly different and

21:40 <RazorSharpFang> zzzzz

21:40 <Schism> Yes.

21:44 <RazorSharpFang> I think it's decentralised in a way that current fiat currencies aren't, (and likely cannot because of practicality) but I don't know how that changes things.

21:46 <Schism> It really doesn't, from what I can see.

21:46 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, but subtlety doesn't tend to announce itself.

21:47 <RazorSharpFang> "I'm a small change!"

21:47 <Schism> I know, I know.

21:52 * Filly_Nightmares kneads Schism for food

21:53 * Schism provides Filly_Nightmares with some crisp oatmeal cookies and a glass of milq!

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21:56 * Filly_Nightmares purrs and noms her food! She stares at Starwatcher from within Schism's hood!

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22:07 <DashedRainbows> I'm probably gonna nap during it today

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22:44 * Filly_Nightmares eees at Verandure

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22:46 * Verandure pets Filly_Nightmares.

22:50 <Snapai> Schism, as long as you're not handing out Kumis XD

22:51 * Filly_Nightmares our

22:51 * Filly_Nightmares pur

22:53 <Snapai> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-x9yC5GKw7_s/VEDbxQ8_OUI/AAAAAAAAH8o/SVdYTXyS6Ug/s1600/Horse.jpg

22:55 <Snapai> wow that's expensive. $73 for 0.8 cups

23:00 * Snapai laughs at an Engrish-filled page touting the benefits of mare's milk, and ignoring the fact that it's so high lactose that it will give anyone who drinks it without lactaid tons of gastric distress. :P

23:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Poll Results: Best Hearth's Warming Episode? [ http://tinyurl.com/y7vmux49 ]

23:00 <Snapai> It was traditionally used as a *laxative* >.>

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23:02 <Snapai> ....you know, I think if my mouse can scroll the webpage, then the keyboard shortcuts should work on the webpage too, not the chat window that *actually* has focus.

23:02 <RazorSharpFang> Snapai, Aha, but no. The inputs don't work that way. :)

23:03 <Snapai> Need eye-tracking glasses, get focus-follows-eyes.

23:03 <RazorSharpFang> Also, that depends on which API they're using to obtain the user-input.

23:03 <RazorSharpFang> Hang on, is this Windows or Mac or Linux-variant ?

23:03 <Snapai> Actually, Razor, there is an old setting that may still be buried in windows somewhere that DOES do "focus-follows-cursor" :v

23:03 <Snapai> Windows XD

23:03 <RazorSharpFang> Okay, let's dive into the infinite complexity of application programming. UwU

23:06 <RazorSharpFang> Actually, I wonder if Windows has fully deprecated DirectInput yet.

23:06 <Snapai> https://twitter.com/Snapai/status/944343254602010624

23:06 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, you should drink it so you don't get menopause problems.

23:07 <Snapai> Huh

23:07 <Snapai> Actually, focus follows mouse isn't even that hard to find in Windows

23:07 <Snapai> Ease of Access Center > Make the mouse easier to use

23:07 <RazorSharpFang> Right, but that's a configuration option for the OS, not an application-specific detail.

23:07 <Snapai> [ ] Activate a window by hovering over it with the mouse.

23:08 <Snapai> Of course.

23:08 <RazorSharpFang> I think the scroll acting different to keystrokes might be a legacy quirk of the older windows APIs

23:08 <Snapai> Because app focus is necessarily a part of the window manager, not the application in the window.

23:08 <RazorSharpFang> For instance, an application will receive MouseMove events when not in focus when the mouse passes over it.

23:08 <RazorSharpFang> Errr, MAY.

23:09 <RazorSharpFang> I think in the deeper lower-level APIs there's a bigger segmentation of mouse-events and keyboard-events, which likely causes this.

23:10 <Snapai> nope

23:10 <Snapai> Settings > Devices > Mouse > Scroll inactive windows when I hover over them. (  o) On

23:11 <Snapai> It's on by default. :D

23:12 <RazorSharpFang> I'm not finding that configuration option.

23:12 <RazorSharpFang> Are you on Win10 ?

23:18 <Snapai> yup

23:19 <RazorSharpFang> Well then in that case who knows. They've re-written a lot of the subsystem and broke backwards compatibility with older windows so a lot of the legacy features may not work as they did prior, or even at all.

23:19 <RazorSharpFang> A lot of applications were misbehaving or just crashing under Win10

23:21 <RazorSharpFang> Maybe it's a change for the better, but it's certainly a problem for devs who need to re-write, port or debug their apps.

23:27 <Snapai> It acts the way I'm used to, I'm not complaining. I think it's neat that they still have those options tho

23:28 <RazorSharpFang> Usability options are neat, but I gotta have sympathy for the people who're wracking their brains over the changes.

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23:32 <Snapai> I didn't notice any change

23:33 <Snapai> Unless you mean stuff migrating into the new settings app

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23:33 <RazorSharpFang> One of the lucky few, man. A lot of games broke under Win10 as well as a lot of enterprise software.

23:34 <RazorSharpFang> I think it took a few compatibility patches shipped from BOTH microsoft AND the developer to sort those out.

23:35 <Snapai> I had some UI peeves with it, but I fixed them.

23:35 <Snapai> Took half an hour to unpin all the CRAP they had on the start menu by default.

23:35 <RazorSharpFang> Don't forget Win10 coming with Candy Crush. :3

23:35 <Snapai> ...once I had it pared down, putting my own favorite shortcuts on the pin tile area was pretty nice. :)

23:36 <RazorSharpFang> I'm probably going to be running Win7 until it hits End-of-life, and then jump to Win10.

23:37 <Snapai> https://puu.sh/yM5R2/b625ec4208.png

23:37 <Snapai> that's my start menu atm

23:37 <RazorSharpFang> Looks pretty pratical.

23:38 <Snapai> Small icons on the taskbar, just the tiles I want next to the start menu, small start menu...

23:38 <RazorSharpFang> A Nvidia user, eh?

23:38 <Snapai> If you unpin all the tiles it shrinks back to a standard start menu of just items.

23:38 <Snapai> well yeah, I work in Blender.

23:38 <RazorSharpFang> Does Blender behave better under Nvidia than AMD?

23:39 <Snapai> AMD's support for open source developers is apparently quite awful, for GPUs.

23:40 <RazorSharpFang> Wait.

23:40 <RazorSharpFang> Are you conflating OpenGL with OpenSource?

23:41 <Snapai> no

23:41 <Snapai> https://www.blendernation.com/2017/04/12/blender-cycles-opencl-now-par-cuda/ - it wasn't til this April that OpenCL could handle what CUDA could, I guess...?

23:42 <RazorSharpFang> Okay then that's confusing. Wouldn't Blender be using the same APIs that closed-source software would be using? (i.e.: DX11/12 calls?)

23:42 <RazorSharpFang> Or are you talking about open-standard APIs ?

23:43 <Snapai> I don't know, pretty sure rendering isn't using DX at all.

23:44 <RazorSharpFang> Well, under windows DX is the typical way to render polygons/shaders to surfaces under hardware acceleration.

23:44 <Snapai> It could either be done on CPU, or with a CUDA kernel loaded to an nvidia gpu. Apparently the OpenCL kernel has almost reached feature parity with the CUDA one, which will let it work on anything.

23:44 <Snapai> No we're talking about rendering not viewport

23:45 <Snapai> 3D rendering is closest in computational tasks to bitcoin mining, not 3D gaming

23:45 <RazorSharpFang> Pretty sure you have to render when you're playing a 3D game.

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23:47 <RazorSharpFang> At this point, we've kinda reached the limit of my knowledge on the topic.

23:48 <Snapai> You're confusing realtime 3D with rendered 3D.

23:48 <RazorSharpFang> Wouldn't the calls be the same?

23:48 <Snapai> not at all

23:50 <Snapai> https://puu.sh/yM6gb/e87f39d9c4.png - the top one is rendered, the bottom is viewport (openGL)

23:51 <Snapai> That's a relatively simple example, but the rendered one is actually doing lightcasting through the scene and calculating photorealistic lighting etc

23:51 <Snapai> (and also took 3.45 seconds to finish its path tracing, on a preview that small)

23:51 <RazorSharpFang> Ah, and I presume that more complex effects may not be possible through the OpenGL/DX APIs?

23:52 <Snapai> The full render for that scene took 14.28 seconds to render

23:52 <Snapai> For that frame

23:52 <RazorSharpFang> Yep that sounds about right for 3D rendering.

23:52 <Snapai> That's actually very fast

23:52 <RazorSharpFang> How many polygons were you drawing?

23:52 <Snapai> I've had frames take 10+ minutes to render.

23:53 <Snapai> I can only imagine how long something like this would take to render: https://blenderartists.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=508352&d=1513112713&thumb=1

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23:54 <RazorSharpFang> Okay, and these sorts of calculations wouldn't be possible without using OpenCL/..., huh?

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23:54 <RazorSharpFang> Well, at least in any sort of reasonable speed

23:55 <Snapai> ?

23:55 <RazorSharpFang> i.e.: Trying to do this without a graphics card.

23:55 <Snapai> You could render it on CPU, it's just usually a little faster in a massively parallel processor like a GPU one instead

23:56 <Snapai> One of the guys on the Blender discord has a AMD Threadripper build, and just renders everything on CPU because in that situation it is actually faster than a GPU

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