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00:11 <The_Nostalgia_Lady> Hmm..
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01:12 <Schism> Oh, Cepheid: I'm up to 5.03 attacks/second.
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01:32 <Cepheid> Impressive.
01:32 * Cepheid checks quickly what his Grim Dawn character had.
01:33 <Schism> There's something ridiculous, yet enjoyable, about achieving with a bow and arrow the same rate of fire as an artillery cannon.
01:33 <Schism> Rotary machine gun, that is.
01:33 <Cepheid> 2.8 attacks per second.
01:34 <Schism> Still awesome, that.
01:34 <Cepheid> With the current configuration, assuming I can get 200% attack speed(Maximum the game allows), I'll get 3.94 attacks a second.
01:35 <Cepheid> With skills factored in...
01:36 <Cepheid> I barely reach the maximum.
01:38 <Cepheid> I managed 196% attack speed with all skills and buffs factored in.
01:38 <Schism> I wonder if there's an attack speed cap in PoE.
01:39 <Cepheid> According to the devs, no.
01:40 <Cepheid> Attack speed is an integer. so the maximum value is whatever the maximum integer value is.
01:41 <Cepheid> If there is a "cap" to attack speed, it's the combination of the most optimized attack speed bonus build on the passive tree, combined with an absolutely perfectly optimized equipment build.
01:43 <Schism> Hmm, then...
01:43 <Schism> Also, heh. Just upgraded a Strongbox before hitting it up. Got a Rogue Exile. o3o
01:45 <Cepheid> Heh.
01:45 <Cepheid> Hum...
01:46 <Cepheid> Position, Orientation, Scale, Model. The bare minimum required to render an entity.
02:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1307 [ http://tinyurl.com/ybdym6uk ]
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02:28 <Cepheid> ... Zuh... I suddenly feel tired. =.=
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02:30 <Cepheid> I should probably take advantage of this. I need to be awake early in the morning starting next Monday. Not as early as last semester, thankfully.
02:31 <Cepheid> I need to be on campus at 1 AM on Mondays and Wednesdays. Tuesday and Thursday, 10 AM. Friday, 4 PM.
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02:35 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Story Updates - January 1st [ http://tinyurl.com/yb827osn ]
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02:39 * Cepheid wanders off to bed, especially as his stomach is now telling him to do so.
02:39 <Schism> Sleep well.
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03:00 <IronWill> Oi
03:01 <IronWill> Hi
03:02 <IronWill> Hi
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03:36 <Starwatcher> hi everypony
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03:45 <DizzyBlitz> Evening, Starwatcher and other horseys
03:46 <Starwatcher> hia Dizzy
03:46 * Starwatcher smiles and hugs
03:47 <Starwatcher> Dizzy somehow I picture you as one of these guys: https://www.mariowiki.com/images/9/96/Amazee_Dayzee.PNG
03:48 <DizzyBlitz> Heh
03:49 <DizzyBlitz> The usual dilema
03:49 <Starwatcher> https://derpicdn.net/img/2016/1/30/1076259/large.png
03:50 <Starwatcher> rise! rise my minions! control equestria!
03:50 <DizzyBlitz> I'm hungry but most food is repulsive
03:51 <DizzyBlitz> That's cute
03:52 <Starwatcher> ?
03:52 <Starwatcher> how's that? food is not yummy to you?
03:53 <DizzyBlitz> More so lately
03:56 <DizzyBlitz> Food is yummy just not the food at my reach
03:57 <Starwatcher> =/
03:57 <Starwatcher> hmm.
03:57 <Starwatcher> well you must eat something
03:57 <Starwatcher> don't get sick =(
03:58 <DizzyBlitz> Then there's the fact that my motivation to eat it's so low, but yeah
03:58 <DizzyBlitz> I guess I'll get up to look
04:00 * Starwatcher nudges - good luck
04:02 * Starwatcher conjurs a spell to doom the universr
04:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: The My Little Pony Movie - Youtube Poop Edition [ http://tinyurl.com/y96xyb84 ]
04:13 <SunsetShimmer> Egads, look what your spell has done!
04:14 <Starwatcher> lol
04:14 <Starwatcher> hi Sunset, good to see you
04:14 <Starwatcher> happy new year ^_^
04:15 <SunsetShimmer> Happy new year to you too! ^~^
04:20 <FruitNibbler> "Why use the cumbersome copy paste key combos when you can use macros!" said the packaging on a programmable keyboard
04:21 <FruitNibbler> Only I can't. I can't for the Love of Celestia figure out how "ctrl+C" is any slower than an "Fn+your_key" ?
04:22 <FruitNibbler> It's still a key combo that saved you zilch
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04:22 <Starwatcher> https://derpibooru.org/1243228?q=the+times+they+are+a+changeling [cute, adorable]
04:23 <Starwatcher> fruitnibbler you sound like a batpony
04:23 <Starwatcher> hehe
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04:38 <Starwatcher> green greens
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04:39 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
04:41 <DizzyBlitz> Hey Thelema5
04:44 <DizzyBlitz> I ate two grilled cheeses, still hungry, man, that medicine has made me into an even fatter slob
04:46 <Starwatcher> hang on there
04:46 <Starwatcher> one problem at a time
04:46 <Starwatcher> you must eat or else you will get more sick
04:47 * Starwatcher nudges - you're a cool pony. no bad self talk
04:51 <Thelema5> Grilled cheese is of the yum though
04:51 <DizzyBlitz> Meh tomorrow I'll plan ahead
04:51 <DizzyBlitz> Buy cheese for Mac and cheese
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04:53 * Starwatcher brushies DizzyBlitz
04:53 <DizzyBlitz> I can't even eat right, sigh
04:55 <DizzyBlitz> I also looked at my labs from my oncologist, the results are, something
04:55 <Starwatcher> ?
04:56 <DizzyBlitz> They look concerning
04:56 * Cepheid needs to eat, himself.
04:57 <DizzyBlitz> But not the doctor so must stay calm
04:57 <Cepheid> Don't ever try to interpret your own lab results.
04:57 <Starwatcher> ^
04:57 <SunsetShimmer> ^
04:58 <Ali> ^
04:58 <SunsetShimmer> You don't have the experience to read what they mean
04:58 <DizzyBlitz> The hemoglobin alone is just bad
04:58 * Ali is hipster cause she did everything else
04:58 * SunsetShimmer still loves 'pon the Alimare regardless. :P
04:58 <DizzyBlitz> Explains why I'm so tired though
04:58 <Starwatcher> one thing at a time. they will tell you if anything is wrong.
04:58 * Ali noms dat SunsetShimmer
04:59 <DizzyBlitz> Probably that I should eat huh
04:59 <DizzyBlitz> Lol
04:59 <Cepheid> DizzyBlitz: Does it comment on your A1C?
04:59 <DizzyBlitz> No, not diabetic
05:00 <Cepheid> Okie then.
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05:03 <DizzyBlitz> !link
05:03 <DerpyBot> http://cdn.derpiboo.ru/media/BAhbBlsHOgZmSSI~MjAxMi8wNy8xNi8xOF8xOV8yOF8zNjdfNDYwODZfX3NhZmVfdmlueWxfc2NyYXRjaF9kal9wb25fMwY6BkVU/46086__safe_vinyl-scratch_dj-pon-3_fighting-is-magic_style-parody_artist-galaxyart_bass-cannon.png
05:04 <DizzyBlitz> Meh
05:08 <SunsetShimmer> Needs a little more specifics
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05:09 <DizzyBlitz> DerpyBot: you need to use the new domain name
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05:20 <SunsetShimmer> !Link derp
05:20 <DerpyBot> https://derpibooru.org/447979
05:21 <SunsetShimmer> It works but you need to give it more specifics when using !link
05:23 <Thelema5> Mmmmm. I'm nomming a samosa brought back to me from NYC right now. No idea what's in it, but YUM
05:23 <Cepheid> The !link command also won't adjust the URLs, because Derpybot is actually just a database of links.
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05:23 <Cepheid> In order for her to retrieve a link, it has to be added to the database.
05:25 <SunsetShimmer> using !link on its own just produces a previously-spoken URL, regardless of whether or not it relates to a pony site.
05:25 <SunsetShimmer> !link
05:26 <DerpyBot> https://derpibooru.org/133396?scope=scpe5803df657789ef1d10d6b8216c2a4a76ca2dcfd4
05:27 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/t/cats/m7oBM Holy fat cat geezus.
05:30 <Thelema5> Aaw, poor kitteh
05:34 <Cepheid> Spitfire, there is nothing in the garage. Why do you want to get into the garage so badly?
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05:40 <Cepheid> I should go back to bed. Coughing up a storm and I keep going between "feeling cold" and "why am I sweating so much?"
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05:57 * DizzyBlitz curls up on the ground. Good night all
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06:02 <Jahnesta> Hai
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07:16 <Cepheid> Interesting question: In Grim Dawn, there are factions. And you can gain/lose reputation with them. "Gain" enough faction with an enemy faction, and the enemy starts to spawn larger swarms, more hero-class enemies, and at the worst case, a "Nemesis" which is essentially a superboss.
07:16 <Cepheid> Would it be cheating to set my reputation with all enemy factions such that they are at maximum hatred of me from the get-go?
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07:27 <Starwatcher> What's the saddest episode of mlp?
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07:31 <Starwatcher> hi Spark
07:35 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: <unspecified> [ http://tinyurl.com/y9thh4de ]
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07:58 <Cepheid> To answer your question Starwatcher, there is no mutually agreed-upon episode. Mostly because the fandom consists of all sorts of people, such as those who find sad stuff depressing, or hilarious, or mean, etc.
08:02 <Starwatcher> hmm.
08:03 <Starwatcher> ok.
08:03 <Starwatcher> that makes sense.
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08:07 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
08:07 <Cepheid> Morning.
08:07 * ConfusionRift waves.
08:12 <Starwatcher> hia
08:12 * Starwatcher nose nudges
08:13 * ConfusionRift rolls.
08:17 <Cepheid> In Grim Dawn, "On Attack" skills from gear will trigger even from magic. As the lightning bolts keep showing me, from my helmet.
08:18 <Starwatcher> what if we could harness pony magic to generate electricity?
08:20 * ConfusionRift puts wires, one on each ear, and hooks up a Game Boy to the wires. "...huh?"
08:22 <Starwatcher> lol
08:24 <Finwe> o3o
08:24 <Finwe> Good morning, my small perissodactyls.
08:24 <ConfusionRift> Oh! RAdm. Finwe! (salutes)
08:24 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift.
08:24 <Finwe> o7
08:24 * ConfusionRift immediately removes wires.
08:24 <Finwe> Mr Starwatcher.
08:24 * Finwe doffs his hat.
08:25 <Starwatcher> hi Finwe
08:25 <Starwatcher> how are
08:25 <Finwe> Back to work.
08:25 <Finwe> I'm giving a lecture in 5 minutes.
08:26 <Finwe> Some guys who have been in the army start their studies today, and we need to tell them how things work.
08:26 <Starwatcher> very cool
08:27 <Starwatcher> ... very cool indeed.
08:27 <Finwe> Most people start their studies in September, but there are always a few who went to the army in January.
08:27 * Starwatcher wishes best of luck
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09:49 <Surreal_Nightmares> Nini
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09:59 <Amrauz> You know what sucks?
09:59 <Amrauz> Bein sick! D:
09:59 <Ali> I've heard that it does
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10:00 <Ali> And then they derp out
10:14 <ConfusionRift> Daaaaarp!!!
10:17 * Ali nests on ConfusionRift
10:17 * ConfusionRift patpats Ali. :P
10:26 <Cepheid> So, my previous high-DPS character in Grim Dawn could reach oh... 6,000 DPS or so, and is level 59.
10:26 <Cepheid> This current character is at 3,300 DPS, and only level 23.
10:28 * Ali boops Cepheid
10:30 <Cepheid> Ow.
10:35 <Cepheid> How're the cats, Ali?
10:35 <Ali> Being a bit hyper right now
10:36 <Cepheid> I would expect nothing less of kittens.
10:41 <Ali> They've been calm for several hours Cepheid so it was bound for them to get active again.
10:42 <FruitNibbler> Things won't drop off the surfaces on their own, yaknow.
10:42 <FruitNibbler> Someone needs to do the jerb
10:43 <Ali> Oh the kittens will make sure things drop off of surfaces
10:43 <Ali> if its battable, its a toy
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10:52 <Cepheid> Total Deaths thus far, in 3 hours, 45 minutes: 4. Total kills: 5,379. It took about 1,344 monsters on average to even kill me. >.>
10:53 <FruitNibbler> That would be a cheater stat in an FPS game
10:55 <FruitNibbler> You're good with 2KDr rating, great with 4 and anything beyond 8 is suspish
10:55 <Cepheid> Heh.
10:55 <Cepheid> Yeah, it seems this build is... broken, in a sense.
10:56 <Finwe> AB Cepheid, Mr FruitNibbler.
10:56 * Finwe doffs his hat.
10:58 * ConfusionRift sighs. A drag race on turns and hills.
10:59 <Cepheid> That said, this build IS tricky for one reason. It's not even a glass cannon, it's a sand cannon. You so much as touch it, it falls over.
11:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1086 [ http://tinyurl.com/y7tpsmj5 ]
11:06 <FruitNibbler> Steam has an atrocious game category management
11:07 <FruitNibbler> It's the same logic as win folders
11:08 <FruitNibbler> I'd rather prefer a hashtag attribute and an ability to "arrange by" + "hide irrelevant entries"
11:08 * Finwe noms on FruitNibbler's Steam library.
11:09 <FruitNibbler> I have 145 games
11:09 <FruitNibbler> About a 100 too many
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11:12 <Finwe> I only have about 10 or so.
11:14 <FruitNibbler> I like small indie games
11:16 <FruitNibbler> They are easier to play for short amount of time and actually finish, unlike AAA titles that want you to feel "pride and achievement" with a full 40 hour grind for one item
11:16 <FruitNibbler> You can make a sizeable salary for that
11:21 <Finwe> o3o
11:26 <Cepheid> Right, bed time.
11:26 * Cepheid flops off.
11:27 <Finwe> Good night, AB.
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16:47 <DizzyBlitz> morning, horseys
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16:50 * Schism boops the Cepheid with some Kraft Dinner... shells.
16:52 <Schism> (I don't know why, but I sometimes find shells 'n' cheese to be superior to mac 'n' cheese.)
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16:57 <WurstPoni> DizzyBlitz: how dare you, its poni not horsey
16:57 <WurstPoni> :P
16:59 <Finwe> Messrs Schism and WurstPoni.
16:59 * Finwe doffs his hat.
16:59 <DizzyBlitz> ponies are horseys :P
16:59 <DizzyBlitz> Mr Finwe
17:00 <Finwe> Hello, DizzyBlitz.
17:00 * Finwe boops DizzyBlitz.
17:00 * DizzyBlitz rubs her muzzle
17:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Story: How Lily Longsocks Spent Hearth’s Warming Eve on the Moon [ http://tinyurl.com/yaoyv4mb ]
17:01 <Schism> rAdm. Finwe.
17:01 * Schism doffs his macaroni and cheese with bacon.
17:01 <DizzyBlitz> ooh
17:03 <Lumin> I've mixed chili with my Mac & Cheese
17:03 <Lumin> it's good
17:04 <Finwe> Mm, chilli.
17:04 <Schism> 'Tis, yes. Or of course, just diced tomatoes and peppers work well.
17:05 <Schism> Alternately! Ketchup.
17:08 <Schism> Ho hum. Tea...
17:23 <Tirek> Never ketchup
17:23 <Schism> Harrumph.
17:23 <Schism> Ketchup is fine on macaroni and cheese, I reiterate!
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17:39 <Tirek> I reiterate, never ketchup.
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17:47 <Tempest-Shadow> I missed something, mind helping me ketchup?
17:47 <Tempest-Shadow> :P
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18:16 <DizzyBlitz> Hey Tempest-Shadow
18:18 <Tempest-Shadow> Hey there!
18:22 * Lumin steals Tempest Shdow
18:22 <Lumin> Mine
18:33 <Finwe> Messrs Lumin and Tempest-Shadow.
18:33 * Finwe doffs his hat.
18:34 * Tempest-Shadow boops Finwe
18:34 * Finwe scrunchymuzzles at at Tempest-Shadow.
18:41 * Schism sips some spicy chicken soup for now.
18:43 <Lumin> I've stolen Tempest Shadow
18:43 <Lumin> she's mine now
18:49 <foxy> just take the Shadow Lumin
18:50 <Lumin> I need the whole thing
18:51 <foxy> but if you take the whole thing you might have a temper
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19:00 <Tempest-Shadow> >.>
19:01 * DizzyBlitz fizzle pops with a berry twist
19:03 <Tempest-Shadow> <.< Dizzy pls
19:04 * Finwe noms on DizzyBlitz's tail.
19:05 <DizzyBlitz> best name ever!
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20:19 <Schism> Ow, my ears. Krism... poor, poor Krism.
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20:50 <Jahnesta> Hey
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22:14 <DizzyBlitz> Bossmare!
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22:21 <FruitNibbler> Hue. In tests with nonsense words I do 22 wpm, but in tests with an actual story up to 36
22:22 <FruitNibbler> Writing something like "car tree gone whistle castle bla bla bla" makes me make more errors and lose time correcting
22:22 <FruitNibbler> While when there is a story I can easily tell the next word
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22:38 <Schism> FruitNibbler: Have you played games like 'ZType'?
22:40 <FruitNibbler> Nah
22:40 <FruitNibbler> I refuse to learn blind typing
22:43 <FruitNibbler> I mean not until I am done with a phonetical distribution tables in human languages and then derived the key weights for each respective sound
22:43 <FruitNibbler> Then I'll "dvorak" it to have the least finger travel
22:44 <Cepheid> Accuracy, 96%. 221 longest streak. Wave 16, 2,303 score for my first attempt.
22:44 <FruitNibbler> I.e. I am making my own layout that would work for several languages
22:45 <Schism> 96.6%, 250 longest, wave 23. And heh.
22:45 * Schism passes Cepheid some shells & cheese with ghost pepper salsa.
22:45 * Cepheid noms.
22:45 <Cepheid> I got hung up somehow on wave 16, which cost me.
22:45 * Schism nodnods.
22:46 <Schism> Ah, well. That was a nice distraction for the moment.
22:46 <Cepheid> I blame it on the fact that I am mildly pissed off.
22:46 <Schism> Oh?
22:46 <Schism> And I think I might poke at An Independent RPG With A Very Long Name a bit.
22:47 <Cepheid> Cat tried to jump up on the fridge, failed. Immediately following, my mom freaks out, and she's shaking and pointing a steak knife at the cat as she tries to catch him. I tell her she did this, she doesn't believe me, I go to point it out, my dad gets all pissy with me because my voice is a bit high.
22:47 <Schism> Ummmmm.
22:48 <Schism> Sounds like one gigantic cluster(yay).
22:48 <Cepheid> I get aggravated because it always seems like I'm never allowed to raise my voice in any situation, even if it's warranted, or I'm UNAWARE THAT I AM TALKING TOO LOUD.
22:48 * Schism offers Cepheid a hug. "Bleh, very bleh."
22:48 <Cepheid> Just... screw it.
22:48 <FruitNibbler> Definitely tilted
22:48 <Cepheid> I'm bloody sick and tired of my father's tone of voice when he even gets the slighest bit upset with me for any reason.
22:49 <Cepheid> I want to tell him such, but ye know, I can't.
22:49 <FruitNibbler> Never play full tilt
22:49 <FruitNibbler> at full tilt*
22:49 <Cepheid> I live under his roof, and it'd only piss him off further and lead to a yelling arguement where *I* am the one who has to apologize, and never get a bloody friggen apology back from the asshole.
22:49 <Cepheid> I love my father, but sometimes he's a gigantic asshole and doesn't want to admit it.
22:49 * Schism nods... "These days happen often?"
22:50 <Cepheid> I'm always the one who has to apologize to him, never the other way around, even if he bloody starts it.
22:50 <Cepheid> Fortunately, once every few weeks or so, mostly when I'm stressed and suffering a depressive episode.
22:50 <Cepheid> I suspect that may be why talking to him doesn't really help my stress or mood.
22:50 <Cepheid> Because I always have to deal with his attitude because he doesn't like that I'm upset.
22:51 <Cepheid> Goddamnit. I want ot yell and rant now.
22:51 * Cepheid starts breathing deeply.
22:51 * Schism nods... "Agh. Maybe find some stuff to kill? Monsters to hunt, or the like, in preparation for MHW? I know it's not the same, but..."
22:51 <Schism> Or huge groups of mobs, or something...
22:51 <Cepheid> I can't even think straight now.
22:51 <Schism> Shame it's too cold out to go for a walk or anything. That can't be helpful.
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22:53 <Cepheid> Not a good idea, I don't think. It'd look a little weird to see a 30-something year old guy walking around having a depressive breakdown.
22:53 <Cepheid> Guh... I'm sorry for that outburst.
22:53 <Cepheid> I just lost control of myself there. =.=;
22:53 <Schism> It's alright. But really, sometimes in the spring or whatever, I'll walk around like that.
22:54 <Cepheid> Bloody hells, and I was doing so good, too. =.=;
22:56 <Schism> You'll bounce back. You already seem to be doing so!
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22:58 <Cepheid> That's about the only real good thing, I usually recover quickly, but still.
23:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: SFM: ABBA - Happy New Year 2018 [ http://tinyurl.com/y85dg4ur ]
23:04 <Cepheid> I see Youtube is imploding again.
23:07 <Schism> Oh?
23:07 <Cepheid> Well, it's community, anyways. Apparently a recent, up-and-coming Creator uploaded a video blog about Japan's "Suicide Forest" and during the video, he showed off a dead body he came across.
23:08 <Schism> Ah... oh dear.
23:08 <Cepheid> Which is, unsurprisingly, causing a bit of an uproar.
23:08 <Cepheid> And Google/Youtube's response is pretty tepid at best, from what I understand.
23:08 <Cepheid> Especially given that the video was on "Now Trending" for a while, gained over a million views, etc, etc, etc.
23:09 <Cepheid> People are calling for Youtube to start applying it's rules more rigourously. Especially to it's top content creators.
23:09 <Cepheid> Problem is, I don't see it doing so, on financial reasons.
23:10 <Cepheid> Youtube's executives and upper management want to make money, and to do that, they need advertisers. If it's top creators, such as JonTron, PewDiePie and the like can keep bringing in advertisers and money, then it'd be stupid for Youtube to throw the rulebook at them for any breach of the rules.
23:10 <Cepheid> Because it'd cut out a source of income.
23:11 <Cepheid> And besides, the public seems stupid enough to let things slide after a few weeks pass, anyways, so there's no real reason to enforce the rules.
23:12 * Schism nods... "I wouldn't say stupid, so much as dangerously distractable. Like a puppy."
23:12 <Schism> A puppy capable of driving a 5-ton vehicle.
23:13 <Cepheid> I honestly don't know why people expect big platforms like this to actually do anything morally right.
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23:14 <Cepheid> The number one goal, no matter what, of any bussiness, is to make money. To do anything contradictory to that is to defy the number one goal.
23:14 <FruitNibbler> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHmgF4ibmuk
23:14 <FruitNibbler> [ RMS Titanic: Fascinating Engineering Facts - YouTube ]
23:14 <Cepheid> I expect businesses, no matter what type, no matter who owns them, no matter the moral message they try to promote, to focus purely on that one goal, with no respect to any moral compass what-so-ever.
23:15 <Cepheid> And it's not because the CEO is morally corrupt.
23:15 <Cepheid> It's because that's what a business is supposed to do. To make money. If you don't put aside morals and make money, you'll be replaced by someone else who can put aside morals and make money.
23:16 <Cepheid> If they don't, then that business flounders.
23:16 <Cepheid> Because the investors won't get anything out of it.
23:16 <Schism> Indeed.
23:17 <Cepheid> I'm either morally corrupt, or I analyze into things too logically.
23:17 <Cepheid> Probably more the latter, because I often side with the public when it comes to controversial things, etc.
23:22 <FruitNibbler> Lack of ethics oversight from the govt is lacking
23:22 <Cepheid> Of course.
23:23 <FruitNibbler> It is a function of state to punish Shkrellis when they misbehave like that
23:24 <FruitNibbler> Buying a patent for insulin only to raise prices is a predatory practice.
23:24 <Cepheid> Same reason. Government needs money. It earns money through taxation, and if companies are making lots of money, that's just lots more money they can tax. Ethics oversight interferes with companies making money, thus reducing the amount of money the government can tax.
23:24 <FruitNibbler> Cepheid, govt is also tasked with upholding constitution, laws and rights of its citizens.
23:25 <Cepheid> From a moral standpoint, yes.
23:25 <FruitNibbler> Diabetics can not afford to not buy insulin.
23:25 <Cepheid> But from a logical point? Nah. It'd rather it take everything the public owns for itself.
23:25 <FruitNibbler> It is akin to suffocating people until they pay
23:25 <Cepheid> While giving the barest in return to keep it's public alive and productive.
23:25 <FruitNibbler> That's extortion
23:25 <Cepheid> I never said it was right.
23:25 <FruitNibbler> That's punishable by law.
23:26 <FruitNibbler> State is a social contract. Never forget it
23:26 <FruitNibbler> It doesn't just get paid in taxes to exist
23:26 <Cepheid> I'm not arguing that what these organizations are doing is morally right.
23:26 <FruitNibbler> It has to do the job
23:27 <FruitNibbler> If we would drive everything to the money, then private firefighters may also make sense to you
23:27 <Cepheid> But from a logic standpoint, it is the correct behaviour. Life is about obtaining power, leading others, telling them what to do, while getting first picks on everything. A lot of life even reflects this.
23:27 <FruitNibbler> Only that never happens.
23:27 <FruitNibbler> Guess why?
23:29 <FruitNibbler> There are non-monetary things companies have to maintain too.
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23:29 <FruitNibbler> Reputation being one of them. If people will avoid your multimillion corporation because they heard some unsavoury and insulting ad, your company is dead.
23:30 <Cepheid> That's why you work to strip the rights of the people. If they can't talk back or act against you, then it doesn't matter.
23:30 <Cepheid> Logic is cruelty.
23:31 <FruitNibbler> Why would you need that?
23:31 <FruitNibbler> Just buy the bloody robots
23:32 <FruitNibbler> Cooperating citizens will boost economy far more than the untrusting scattered and scared people under any totalitarian regime
23:32 <FruitNibbler> That is also a cold fact
23:32 <FruitNibbler> Statistical fact
23:33 <FruitNibbler> It should be in the interests of both state and corporations, if they are not near sighted
23:34 <Snapai> o3o
23:34 <Cepheid> From where I'm standing, it doesn't look that way. It seems like the economy is doing just fine despite the slow, pervasive erosion of the rights of the people.
23:34 <Snapai> i liiiiiiiiiive (but in all caps if it would let me)
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23:34 <PinkieShy> welp!
23:34 <PinkieShy> Under a winter storm warning!
23:35 * Snapai scrolls up?
23:35 <FruitNibbler> YOU COULD WRITE CAPS (if you then fill it right after with enough non-caps text to circumvent the filter)
23:35 <FruitNibbler> I'm smarts
23:35 <Cepheid> In any case, all I'm going to say is that I should never lead a business. At all.
23:36 <Snapai> Cepheid - *capital business*
23:36 <Cepheid> Wouldn't fit with me morally.
23:36 <Snapai> IE, stock market etc
23:36 <Cepheid> And what drives everything right now?
23:36 <Snapai> co-ops can and usually do take care of their community.
23:36 <Cepheid> What do we buy from? Companies on the stock market.
23:36 <Snapai> I know.
23:37 <Snapai> Just saying, the fact that people are organized to collectively do a service or product isn't the flaw, it's the control structure
23:39 <Cepheid> There's no way for me to respond that won't outright aggravate a number of people, no matter how I word it.
23:40 <Cepheid> My observations come mostly from the big companies out there that, despite continuous boycotts, exposures of criminal activity, slave labour, loophole-abusing, are still around and functioning just fine.
23:40 <Cepheid> What they are doing is morally corrupt, but they are financially doing something right.
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23:41 <Cepheid> Walmart still exists despite the fact that it regularly pushes small businesses out, doesn't allow unionizing, and other various "violations" of the rights of people.
23:42 <Cepheid> Apple still builds their phones and laptops for pennies in countries like China, and then turns around and sells it for thousands upon thousands of dollars.
23:42 <Cepheid> Microsoft and Google are regularly hit by the EU oversight regarding fair competitive practices, but nothing changes.
23:42 <Snapai> Well I mean, this is the danger of lobbying
23:42 <Cepheid> And lobbying requires money.
23:43 <Cepheid> If you do well financially, you can lobby to simply ignore the law.
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23:43 <Cepheid> Money provides access to the basic animalistic need to survive and procreate.
23:43 <Snapai> The structure is: capital businesses are *required* to operate amorally, and the idea is that laws and regulations should create the moral framework for them.
23:43 <Cepheid> So everyone is susceptible to bribery and lots of money in general.
23:43 <Snapai> Except that inherently antagonistic system keeps failing, particularly when you allow the businesses to dictate their own moral limits
23:44 <Cepheid> Again, as stated, Snapai, the government is broke, it needs money, and it taxes corporations and people.
23:44 <Cepheid> The more money these corporations and people make, the more money they can tax.
23:44 <Cepheid> If they get in the way of the companies and people making the majority of the money for them, that impacts their profit.
23:44 <Cepheid> It is stupid to interfere with what makes you money, financially.
23:47 <Cepheid> Here is the absolute worst way I can think of dealing with things that, unfortunately, would have an impact:
23:49 <Cepheid> You remove the rights of people, particularly the vulnerable. The ill, the infirm. You remove health care, or make it harder to access or more costly. Eventually they bankrupt themselves and die off. One less burden upon an otherwise productive society. Next, the lay-abouts, lazy and unskilled. You remove welfare or maker it harder to access. They go bankrupt, they starve, they die. Further reduction on the burden.
23:49 <Cepheid> This looks familiar, by the way.
23:50 <Schism> Just a little bit, yes, right now.
23:50 <Cepheid> The less money you put into the people, the more money that can go to the government and corporations.
23:50 <Cepheid> Of course, you start to lose employees this way.
23:50 <Finwe> !lullaby
23:50 * DerpyBot carries Finwe off to bed
23:50 * DerpyBot tucks Finwe in and hums a lullaby
23:50 <Finwe> !shoo
23:50 * DerpyBot sways from side to side, quietly humming "shoo be doo shoo shoo be doo"
23:50 <Finwe> Good night, everypony!
23:50 <Cepheid> But if you remove further rights, and tell people what they can and can't do, or what they are SUPPOSED to be doing, and force them to do it..
23:50 <Cepheid> Then that becomes less of a problem.
23:50 <Cepheid> Those that refuse? You get rid of them.
23:50 * Finwe hides under his duvet.
23:51 <Cepheid> The population of many first-world countries is large enough such that they can get away with this with no real impact to the economy.
23:52 <Cepheid> Plus, if you have enough control to force the people to various tasks, you can ensure that there is enough births to replace the deaths or departures from the country.
23:53 <Cepheid> The law isn't being enforced on the higher ups because it conflicts with rule #1: Survive and procreate.
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23:54 <Cepheid> I do not understansd why people cannot fathom this or understand it. The belief that businesses, corporations and government, of any types, are thinking about society as a whole is foolishness.
23:57 <Cepheid> But then again, I guess you have to be consciously aware of such things.
23:57 <Cepheid> And to most people, it is hidden in a sense.
23:58 <Cepheid> Why does a man or woman invest in something? Is it because of greed? Do they desire wealth? Is it because it extends their lifespan, somehow? Perhaps it helps combat global warming. Perhaps they want a feeling of power or control over something.
23:58 <Cepheid> People do things because subconsciously, their mind is telling them to do so because it benefits themselves.
23:58 <Cepheid> There is no value or benefit to doing something that does not benefit yourself.
23:58 <Cepheid> It is contradictory to existence and life to do so.
23:59 <Cepheid> That said, my life is effectively forfeit because I contradict many of the basic things I am supposed to be doing.
23:59 <Cepheid> But meh.
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