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00:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #2564 [ http://tinyurl.com/y9q4j9h3 ]
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00:18 <Cepheid> Let's see. 185 miners times... 0.5565 = ... 102.9525 iron ore/sec.
00:19 <Cepheid> Or 57,307 seconds of iron ore. Or ~16 hours.
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01:36 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
01:36 * Cepheid waves.
01:36 <Cepheid> Hoi.
01:40 * DashedRainbows licks Thelema5. hi
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02:00 * Cepheid puts on something stupid, music-wise. Cat music. Mostly just to see how Spitfire reacts to it.
02:02 <Cepheid> On one hand, his ears are twitching in reaction to it and he's just sitting quietly. On the other hand...
02:02 <Cepheid> Who wants to see a terrible mess of a desk?
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02:06 <Cepheid> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1PKnOiHBvYGxrXYNCyi9r2--iE-c7z8gB
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02:11 <Thelema5> Cat butt
02:11 <Cepheid> Yep. Sorry.
02:12 <Undead> Greetings!
02:12 <Thelema5> Hi there
02:13 <Undead> How are you, Thelma5?
02:13 <Thelema5> Doing pretty well. You?
02:14 <Undead> Very well! Sorry I missed an e on your name.
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02:14 <Cepheid> By the way, I wasn't kidding about the "cat music" thing. There is actual "music for cats". It uses sounds and effects that they are responsive to.
02:15 * DizzyBlitz hugs Thelema5
02:16 <Undead> This sounds interesting, Cepheid. I am sorry I missed the conversation.
02:16 * Undead brohoofs DizzyBlitz
02:17 <DizzyBlitz> /)
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02:18 <Undead> Hello Trial!
02:19 <Undead> Riea* stupid autocorrect
02:19 <Cepheid> The basic premise of cat music is that the music we humans listen to doesn't appeal to cats. To make it do so, they apply effects, tones and such that will get cats attention. Rolling purring-like sounds, long meowing-like notes, etc.
02:19 <Undead> Reia stupid me!
02:20 <Reia> Moo
02:20 <Cepheid> Does it work? Heck if I know, but this is the longest I've had my cat on my desk, sleeping quietly.
02:20 <Undead> Sounds like my cat!
02:24 <Undead> Does anyone know where I can find a good fanfic editor?
02:25 <Undead> Moo to you as well, Reia.
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02:35 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Nightly Discussion #1382 [ http://tinyurl.com/y8acbzdf ]
02:36 * Schism throws a sweet potato in the oven. It's going to take a while, but it'll be nice to have once it's done.
02:36 <Cepheid> ... What was that, Spitfire?
02:37 <Cepheid> You were sleeping quietly listening to the music, then you jolt awake like something bit you.
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02:38 <Cepheid> I'm gonna assume it was the slow change from the purring/meowing sound to birds chirping and tweeting.
02:39 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OUkchzTFpA This is what he's listening to, by the by. Nice sound, even for humans
02:39 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
02:39 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Relaxing Cat Music for Anxious Cats! Calm Your Cat with this Natural Anxiety Remedy for Cats! š š¤
02:43 <Undead> I must go, farewell!
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02:46 <Thelema5> I'm listening to it now with one of my cats in the room, lets see how she reacts
02:47 <Thelema5> she's usually pretty high-strung, lets see if this helps
02:48 <Thelema5> Interesting, she was hiding under a desk and as soon as I started playing it she came over and sat next to me, began grooming
02:48 <Thelema5> O.o
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02:49 <Schism> Cats are often odd. o.o
02:49 <Cepheid> Yeah, it's weird. It's clear Spitfire's reacting to it. Never seen him sleep on my desk.
02:49 <Thelema5> Heh
02:50 <Thelema5> Oh, she walked away now, out of the room
02:50 <Cepheid> In fact, when I went to reach for my phone, he woke up and looked around like "Huh? Wha..?" Sort of like he was in a deep sleep.
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02:50 <Thelema5> :p
02:58 <Cepheid> I suspect the reason it's having an effect on Spitfire is, if it's real, it's calming him down. On top of that, he's nearby me. So it makes him feel really content.
02:59 <DizzyBlitz> How goes it Thelema5?
03:01 <Thelema5> Okay. Got outside today and went for a walk, this was the view https://imgur.com/a/kea6e
03:02 <Saerydoth> !link https://www.youtube.com/user/relaxmycat
03:02 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
03:02 <Thelema5> It was along a paved trail at a resevior, pretty tame
03:02 <Saerydoth> cat music. It relaxes them and makes them fall asleep
03:02 <Saerydoth> it really works
03:03 <Thelema5> !link https://youtu.be/B2Je1CEPkUM
03:03 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
03:03 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Monty Python - Confuse-A-Cat
03:03 <Cepheid> Seen that skit, yeah. :P
03:03 <Cepheid> Saerydoth: That's what it did with my cat. He got comfy on my desk(with a towel underneath him) and went to sleep.
03:03 <Thelema5> :P
03:05 <DizzyBlitz> Good, good, I've been huddled in here all day
03:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: Mr. A.M. - Enough Chit Chat, Time Is Candy!! [Complextro] [ http://tinyurl.com/y6wsgxv6 ]
03:06 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Welcome to Relax My Cat
03:06 <Cepheid> Normally I'd chalk it up to making stuff up, but I've never seen Spitfire fall asleep on my desk and stay there.
03:06 <Thelema5> I also have something living in my attic. I think it's a chipmunk... set a live-catch trap. We'll see.
03:06 <Cepheid> He usually wanders about, nosing stuff, then jumps off.
03:09 <Saerydoth> this music actually sounds pretty good. I do notice it has rolling type sounds and long notes though
03:10 <Saerydoth> it's making me sleepy
03:10 <Saerydoth> although I didn't get much sleep last night due to bad allergies so it could be that
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03:13 <Saerydoth> it reminds me of the stuff you hear in Chinese restaurants though
03:13 <Cepheid> Chinese, Japanese, Asian in general, yeah.
03:15 <Saerydoth> there's this instrument which I have never heard outside of Chinese stuff, it has a very unqiue sound
03:15 <Saerydoth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fdFGEg-9R8
03:15 <Saerydoth> (obviously not the piano at the beginning :P)
03:16 <Saerydoth> I heard it many times before I had any idea what was making that sound, I knew it had to be some sort of string instrument but once I saw one it made sense why it sounds the way it does
03:17 <Saerydoth> WOW had a lot of that during Mists of Pandaria, one thing I miss about that expansion
03:17 <Thelema5> The erhu is a beautiful instrument, the only thing which sounds similar is the human voice and analog theremins
03:17 <Saerydoth> it was weird to hear it in a Warcraft game but it worked
03:17 <Saerydoth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrrYq_CmB7I
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03:31 * Schism waits for the sweet potato to cook.
03:39 * Filly_Nightmares eees at Schism and stares up at him for food!
03:40 * Schism provides Filly_Nightmares with some cinnamon brown sugar sweet potato soup!
03:40 * Filly_Nightmares jumps into the soup and absorps it!
03:44 <Thelema5> I had New England Boiled Dinner tonight in honor of St. Patty's Day, as an odd way of remembering the forced converserion of irish pagans who eventually made their way to america where they had to change their prefered diets to utilize cheap cuts of meat to stay healthy
03:44 <Cepheid> I had chinese.
03:46 <Ali> I like turtles *slapped*
03:46 <Cepheid> Now I'm just spoiling my cat.
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03:58 * Filly_Nightmares meows and rubs up against Schism's leg
03:59 * Cepheid plays the cat music for Filly_Nightmares.
04:00 * Filly_Nightmares chirps!
04:02 <Thelema5> I've gone through my first half-gallon of flaxmilk, and I feel pretty good about it
04:04 <Thelema5> My morning routine, "breakfast", has been to drink a pint of flaxmilk with a bit of chocolate sauce and my once-daily multivitamin
04:04 <Thelema5> Seems do-able
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04:05 <PonyZx> Hi c:
04:05 * Thelema5 waves
04:05 <Cepheid> Morning.
04:05 <PonyZx> Hi thelema5 and Cepheid
04:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Bonus Music #123 [ http://tinyurl.com/yaou7rc9 ]
04:06 <Thelema5> That morning routine should provide me with all the essential nutrients
04:06 * Thelema5 doesn't want to die
04:07 <PonyZx> why? you are in a diet?
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04:08 <Cepheid> Probably high blood pressure.
04:09 <PonyZx> Hi Reia and ok x,x
04:09 <Thelema5> We ALL have a diet. It's what we eat. I'm trying to make my diet healthier by incorporating necessary nutrients like omega 3 fatty acids and vitamins
04:09 <PonyZx> oh ok
04:09 <Thelema5> I do have high blood pressure, and other things I want to controll
04:11 <PonyZx> I have diabetes so I understand perfectly how it feels to have to be controlled
04:12 <Thelema5> Yep
04:12 <DizzyBlitz> Hi PonyZx
04:13 <PonyZx> Hi Dizzy
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04:14 <PonyZx> If it is not with glucose it is with triglycerides if not with the amount of potassium
04:14 <DizzyBlitz> I drew something exceptionally bad today but at least I'm still at it
04:15 <PonyZx> Can we see it?
04:16 <DizzyBlitz> eh, sure, your pain
04:16 <PonyZx> But what can you do if your great-grandfather was a diabetic, my grandfather was a diabetic and my dad was also a diabetic?
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04:19 <DizzyBlitz> https://1drv.ms/u/s!Av3iBL1lPNRmhXyC1DlZAdWXUW6L
04:20 <PonyZx> Oh, maybe you just had a bad day and that's why it came out bad
04:20 <Thelema5> I guess just consult with your own health professional regularly
04:21 <PonyZx> It's that in my case it's genetic so it's not like I could go back to the past and tell my great-grandfather to take care of himself
04:23 <DizzyBlitz> nah, I've just never drawn this type of view
04:24 <PonyZx> Well, it's just a matter of practicing, looking for references and asking for constructive criticism
04:25 <DizzyBlitz> mhm
04:26 <PonyZx> know that I dont know how to draw but it's the basic thing to be able to learn something
04:44 <PonyZx> boop
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05:47 <Cepheid> !mail ConfusionRift We need stone. If you go out to search for it, be careful. Neutral, Acid spitters can barely harm us. The newer, ELECTRIC spitters can do a considerable amount of damage. Good luck.
05:47 <DerpyBot> Thank you for using the Derpy Mail Service 6_9
05:47 <Cepheid> Right, I'm off to bed.
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06:40 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
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06:50 <Tirek> Welcome.
06:51 * ConfusionRift waves.
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07:02 <Tirek> I've been incredibly bored as of late.
07:02 <ConfusionRift> Saaame. And tiiiireeeed,
07:04 <ConfusionRift> Thinks have been sucking at work.
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07:38 * ConfusionRift patpats Filly_Nightmares. :P
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08:16 <Tirek> Think I'm gonna run to the store when it opens and grab some more ground turkey.
08:16 <Tirek> I'm craving for those turkey burgers again, they were really good.
08:20 <ConfusionRift> Mmmm, burgers. (drools)
08:21 <Tirek> I dunno if I explained them, but I found this recipe that calls for feta cheese and basil.
08:22 * ConfusionRift nods.
08:22 <Tirek> And, aside from adding too much basil for my taste, they were very good. A very nice flavor.
08:22 <ConfusionRift> The doc told you to cuts some of the beef off.
08:22 <Tirek> Red meat in general.
08:23 <Tirek> Pork, Beef, etc.
08:23 <Tirek> And, its quite nice that I found a reasonable substitute for hamburgers almost immediately.
08:25 <ConfusionRift> Hmm, gonna check on that one. It does sound good.
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08:29 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
08:31 * Filly_Nightmares floofs and nests on ConfusionRift
08:32 * Filly_Nightmares beat FTL 3 times today
08:32 <Filly_Nightmares> Eeeeee
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08:32 <Tirek> Alrighty, so
08:33 <Tirek> The recipe calls for each pound of turkey, 1 half cup of feta cheese, 4 tablespoons of fresh basil, a half tablespoon of salt, and then an unlisted amount of black pepper.
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08:33 <Tirek> I'd recommend less basil. Next time around, I'm only going to do one tablespoon per pound.
08:33 * Filly_Nightmares hats on Tirek as cooking hat
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08:35 * Filly_Nightmares beat FTL on her latest run wif 2 health left!
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08:40 * Ali nests on Filly_Nightmares. "Use the typical defeat pattern?"
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09:16 * Filly_Nightmares is confuse
09:16 * Filly_Nightmares beat the boss wif crystal weapons!
09:16 * ConfusionRift is confused... wait...
09:17 <Ali> Filly_Nightmares, the easy strat. Where you abuse phase one of the Flagship to cripple it and make the last two easy.
09:17 <Filly_Nightmares> I dunno wat that is. o8o
09:18 <Ali> Filly_Nightmares, you board the thing during phase 1 and kill every person but one o nit
09:18 * Filly_Nightmares didn't have any teleportation modules install in any run!
09:19 <Ali> Ah
09:19 <Ali> Teleporters make the thing a joke at times
09:19 * Filly_Nightmares had 50+% dodge rate wif no cloak on any run!
09:20 <Ali> Not bad, due to the shot barrage of phase 3
09:20 <Ali> But she has that M on her forehead dear
09:20 <Ali> derp MT
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09:23 * Filly_Nightmares licks Ali
09:24 <Ali> The boarding trick Filly_Nightmares is disable missles/ion on phase 1
09:24 <Ali> And try to overpower the main crew till they're all gone
09:24 * Filly_Nightmares had Zoltan shields and an attack 2 drone in her latest run!
09:24 <Ali> That's good for stopping their boarding drone on phase 2
09:24 * Filly_Nightmares likes crystal ship!
09:24 * Filly_Nightmares got boarded twice!
09:25 <Ali> The crystal cruiser is such a pain to get though
09:25 * Filly_Nightmares uses a Flak 1 and two crystal weapons to pierce the shields!
09:25 * Filly_Nightmares purrs and hats on Ali. She got crystal easily
09:25 <Ali> That was the last ship I ever got
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09:26 <Ali> Cause you had to use the Rock ship to get it.
09:27 * Filly_Nightmares found a damaged cryopod in an asteroid field and got it repaired and got the crystal guy! She found the beacon and unlocked without ever unlocking the rock cruiser!
09:27 * Filly_Nightmares has Lanius cruiser to play now!
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09:30 * Filly_Nightmares kneads Ali
09:30 * Filly_Nightmares purrs. She never sold her starter weapons in her runs
09:31 <Ali> Lantus is fun, O2? WHAT'S THAT?!?!
09:31 <Ali> Also fun to use them as boarding party and just disable their oxygen
09:38 <Filly_Nightmares> o9o
09:39 * Filly_Nightmares doesn't use boarding parties! She can never find a crew teleporter or is saving for something else!
09:40 * Filly_Nightmares always keeps excess crews on sensors and doors and to repel boarders!
09:40 * Filly_Nightmares noms Ali's cheeks
09:41 <Ali> Filly_Nightmares, there are some ships that start with teleporters
09:41 <Filly_Nightmares> o8o
09:41 * Filly_Nightmares will probably replace them!
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09:43 <Ali> Then Filly_Nightmares should never play Mantis then :P
09:43 * Filly_Nightmares eees!
09:44 * Filly_Nightmares will probably use drones as her boarding parties!
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09:56 * Filly_Nightmares yawnskrees and curls up on Finwe and uses Ali as a blanket
09:56 <Filly_Nightmares> Nini
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09:56 <Ali> Night
09:57 <ConfusionRift> Lateeers. (flops)
09:57 <ConfusionRift> I should sleep too...
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11:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1158 [ http://tinyurl.com/y7mokejd ]
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16:25 <Tempest-Shadow> Oooohs!
16:25 * Schism could also add spicy breakfast sausage to it, but wasn't sure.
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17:01 <Tempest-Shadow> ...I know that voice.
17:01 <Tempest-Shadow> ...I won't say who, but it's about time. xD
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17:10 <DizzyBlitz> Good morning my little ponies!
17:12 * Schism puts Tempest-Shadow into a bit part on All My Circuits.
17:13 <Tempest-Shadow> as I said - it's about time. :P
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17:13 * Schism also drinks food colouring. "Yes, yes it is."
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18:54 <Schism> http://twitch.tv/schismatism if anyone wants to watch - and make suggestions on what to do!
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19:34 <Cepheid> Blasted solicitors/door-to-doors salesmen. Excluding Schism.
19:34 <Cepheid> This one was handing out pamphlets for some sort of get-together to celebrate a religious icon.
19:39 <Schism|Adagio> Ahhh, fun. x.x
19:42 <Cepheid> Officially, door-to-door salesmen are not allowed here.
19:43 <Schism|Adagio> Oh, Cepheid: Streaming righ tnow.
19:43 <Cepheid> The entire area I live in is offlimits to solicitors. It's even considered private property by Google for purposes of map directions and street view.
19:43 <Cepheid> So getting directions to my house usually indicates the path in question traverses private property and might be illegal to use, etc, etc, etc.
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19:43 <Schism|Adagio> Indeed. And our lead sheets shouldn't have anything like that.
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19:44 <Cepheid> Only because of that last little stretch. And yeah, I know Schism, I've been awake for about 45 minutes and I checked on your stream with my tablet.
19:44 <Cepheid> lead sheets?
19:44 <Schism|Adagio> Ahhh.
19:44 <Schism|Adagio> Lead, as in 'leads'.
19:44 <Cepheid> Ah.
19:45 <Cepheid> Yeah, I know they wouldn't in that case.
19:45 <Cepheid> We regularly get salesmen from Rogers, Bell, Telus and all the others.
19:45 <Cepheid> Even though the area is supposed to be off-limits.
19:45 <Schism|Adagio> Huh, weird... o.O
19:46 <Cepheid> There's no enforcement, that's probably why.
19:46 <Cepheid> We don't have fencing or gates around the community, and no security guards outside of the few police officers who live in the area.
19:47 <Cepheid> And even they don't enforce anything here. There's known drug dealers that visit the area on a regular basis, and the cops will either ignore or just casually chat with them.
19:49 <Schism|Adagio> Sheeesh. ._.
19:50 <Cepheid> The drug dealers in this case aren't running hard drugs, that's why they get off with it.
19:50 <Schism|Adagio> Reminds me, I was in St. Catharine's yesterday again.
19:50 <Cepheid> Even the cops don't want to bother with people who are dealing with weed. They'd rather just deal with such people when they're driving under the influence.
19:58 <Cepheid> What's special about St. Catharines?
19:59 <Schism|Adagio> Eh, it's... not a great place to live. Not near downtown, anyway.
19:59 <Cepheid> Sounds like Vanier around here.
20:00 <Cepheid> Vanier is basically where you find the heavy drug users, plus all of the facilities to help "rehabilitate" them. I quote rehabilitate because most of those facilities actually don't really do anything aside from shelter homeless people and put up safe injection sites.
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20:10 * Filly_Nightmares skreees and pushes her head into Schism|Adagio's floof
20:12 * Cepheid does an assignment right quick. Mostly just "write your own memory deallocator(AKA: Your own free() method.)"
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20:18 * Filly_Nightmares noms Ali
20:18 * Ali squeaks!
20:20 <Cepheid> It's an Ali!
20:21 <Ali> Its a me Ali! Hmmm, doesn't sound as good as when Mario does it
20:22 * Cepheid craves spicy. GOes to make a spicy virgin caesar.
20:23 <Starlight_Glimmer> Whenever I read your name I can't help myself but think of my sister named Alina who was nicknamed "Ali" by her friends when she was young.
20:24 <Ali> Heh. I thought of this OC's names way before the jokes started >.>
20:25 * Cepheid stabs his virgin caesar 23 times.
20:26 <Cepheid> <Jar> "Et tu, Cepheid?"
20:28 * Filly_Nightmares noms Ali
20:28 <Starlight_Glimmer> What jokes?
20:28 <Cepheid> Ali is an Alicorn.
20:28 <Starlight_Glimmer> Oh
20:29 * Filly_Nightmares giggles
20:29 * Ali flails at Cepheid
20:29 <Cepheid> They asked, Ali.
20:30 <Cepheid> I just used it as an example.
20:30 <Ali> I can still flail :P
20:30 <Cepheid> Of course you can.
20:31 <Cepheid> Ali and the Ferocious Alicorn! <Alicorn> "Great googly moogly!" *No one will ever get this reference. EVER.*
20:32 <Cepheid> Well, Schismn might.
20:33 <Schism|Adagio> Old Hanna-Barbara cartoons? Noooo.
20:34 <Ali> Exit, Stage Left even
20:35 <Cepheid> Nelvana, actually.
20:35 <Cepheid> It was a show that ran on Teletoon, about a giant polkadotted beast and a little girl going on adventures and such.
20:38 <Cepheid> Oh yeah, Schism|Adagio. I forgot to mention. I picked up Into the Breach.
20:38 * Ali sits on Cepheid head. "They're no Tyranids though."
20:39 <Cepheid> Indeed.
20:40 * Filly_Nightmares noms Ali belly and tugs
20:41 <Cepheid> Truth told, I wish there were more... "last stand" type games in RTS style.
20:42 <Cepheid> Where it's a standard RPS, but the goal isn't to defeat the enemy. You can't win. No, the goal is to see how long you can survive.
20:42 <Cepheid> Er, rps = rts
20:43 <Cepheid> You are awarded points for how many kills you get, and how long you survive.
20:44 <Cepheid> Or, in simpler terms that I bet Ali is familiar with, what with her Tyranid favouritism: Battle for Macragge.
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20:47 * Ali grumps, Nids should've won that if it wasn't for the plot device barrier of the mahreens and papa smurf
20:48 <Cepheid> Actually, as I understand it, they won that.
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20:50 <Ali> That was the battle for Ultramar right?
20:50 <Cepheid> It ended with a video recording being plunged deep into the planet. The Ultramarines fought to the last at the very center of their last remaining base, and still they lost.
20:51 <Ali> Cause the Nids wrecked face of the Smurfs but they eventually got whiped out.
20:51 * Ali can't remember right now, her 3rd edition plot is kinda old in her head.
20:52 * Filly_Nightmares noms Ali's head
20:52 <Cepheid> Nah, as I recall it, Macragge was one of the planets in the way of the Swarm, and had a host of Ultramarines and a heavily defended base with laser batteries and the like for shooting down ships and other stuff.
20:53 * Filly_Nightmares floofsplodes
20:53 <ADragonDreaming> Hmmm...
20:53 <Cepheid> Basically, despite their efforts, the Tyranids landed. Swarmed the ocean creatures and the land creatures alike, making way towards one of the polar bases.
20:53 * Ali gives ADragonDreaming a golden award for that.
20:53 <ADragonDreaming> That's an interesting construcion.
20:53 <Cepheid> They were hit with everything from plasma weaponry in space to torpedos and missiles.
20:53 <ADragonDreaming> wait what, golden award for saying "hmmm?"
20:54 * Filly_Nightmares nests on ADragonDreaming
20:54 <Ali> He says that all the time!
20:54 <ADragonDreaming> Hm, yes, quite.
20:54 <Cepheid> They threw everything they had at the Tyranids. They just kept swarming though, and eventually they made it to the base. The Ultramarines fought back up until the very end. Apparently at the center of the base was a circle of Terminators fighting back-to-back, and even they perished.
20:55 <Cepheid> In simpler words, the planet was destroyed.
20:55 <ADragonDreaming> Anyway. I'm attempting to create a chisel n bits star of sorts. For a model, I had an RF Tools builder create it in large in the world for me.
20:56 <ADragonDreaming> looking at the resultant construct on the map I rather like it and might want to implement it as a room for something.
20:57 <Ali> Cepheid, Nids don't destroy planets. They nom it till its a barren rock
20:57 <ADragonDreaming> Well, you could call that destroyed.
20:58 <Ali> Hush or I'll release the ghasts on you
20:58 <ADragonDreaming> I have an unbreakable shuriken and flight.
20:58 <ADragonDreaming> Bring it on.
20:58 <Cepheid> That's what I meant.
20:58 <Ali> Oh they're not for fighting
20:58 <Cepheid> Officially, barren planets with nothing of value on them may as well be "destroyed" in human terms.
20:58 <Ali> They're just to be annoying and blow stuff up.
20:59 <Cepheid> ADragonDreaming: Tyranids are... You familiar with the devouring swarm from Stellaris?
20:59 <Ali> BREEEEEEE *boom*
20:59 <Cepheid> The Tyranids are basically a devouring swarm, only worse. Nothing can stop them, thus far.
20:59 <ADragonDreaming> I've played Warhammer 40k II, so I'm relatively familiar with Tyranids.
20:59 <ADragonDreaming> er
20:59 <Cepheid> Ah, heh.
20:59 <ADragonDreaming> Dawn of War II
21:00 <ADragonDreaming> They are what the Zerg were ripped off of, so.
21:00 <Cepheid> More or less.
21:00 <Ali> DoW2 does not do an accurate representation
21:00 <Cepheid> Truth told, I don't think anything can.
21:00 <ADragonDreaming> Eh, it's enough for me to extrapolate from given a general gist of Warhammer 40k thematic trends
21:00 <Cepheid> The problem with a devouring swarm in computational means is that it'd overload machines.
21:00 <Ali> Well DoW1 would've been a bit better than 2
21:01 <ADragonDreaming> DoW 1 did not include Tyranids, though.
21:01 <Cepheid> Though I'm not entirely 100% certain about overloading.
21:01 <Ali> I know it didn't
21:01 <ADragonDreaming> Also!
21:01 <ADragonDreaming> Independence Day
21:01 <Ali> I'm an actual Tyranid model owner
21:01 <ADragonDreaming> In terms of the aliens MO of "devour planet until nothing is left"
21:01 <Cepheid> Because nowadays we got multicore systems with 6+ cores. It'd be possible to do multiprocessing to handle AI and stuff.
21:01 <Ali> I have 320 Termigaunts and 320 Hormagants
21:02 <Cepheid> The limiting terms for such a species then would be graphical power.
21:02 <ADragonDreaming> Also, Endless Space, with the Cravers, that devour planets until their resources are basically gone
21:02 <Cepheid> Heh.
21:02 <Ali> OM NOM NOM NOM
21:02 <Ali> My fav big Nid is the Exocrine
21:02 <Cepheid> But yeah, if you want devouring swarms in a PC RTS game, you'll have to have a reasonably beefy machine to replicate the "feel" of it.
21:03 <Ali> Devouring Swarm is an end game thing for stellaris right
21:03 <ADragonDreaming> Or figure out a way to cheat
21:03 <Ali> but I bet its DLC related
21:03 <Cepheid> Because you're talking thousands of units. A multicore PC, properly threaded, could handle the pathfinding and stuff.
21:03 * Ali only has one DLC of Stellaris and she finds the game rather boring...
21:03 <Cepheid> The models would have to be low-resolution to keep graphics processing down.
21:03 <ADragonDreaming> Cepheid, were you talking about the Prethoryn?
21:04 <Cepheid> Yeah.
21:05 <Cepheid> The Prethoryn Scourge is a devouring swarm.
21:05 <ADragonDreaming> Not DLC, Ali.
21:05 <ADragonDreaming> Just "endgame" crisis.
21:05 <Ali> I've only made it 1 time to the year 2400 in that game
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21:05 <Ali> I was so bored out of my mind it wasn't funny
21:06 <ADragonDreaming> Game is not for everyone.
21:06 <Cepheid> Different games for different people, I guess.
21:06 <Cepheid> ADragonDreaming: Yeah, though it's target audience has changed slightly.
21:06 <Ali> Well there's so little combat
21:06 <Cepheid> Recent update changed the way the game works in FTL and such.
21:06 <Ali> And expansion too Cepheid
21:06 <Cepheid> Gates and free-form travel are no longer available from the start.
21:06 <Ali> Have to explore with a sci vessel
21:06 <Cepheid> It's all lane-based travel.
21:07 <Ali> Yeah Hyperlanes are the norm
21:07 <ADragonDreaming> Hm.
21:07 <Ali> Upkeep costs are way up on ships
21:07 <ADragonDreaming> I'm not sure I like this decision, but I'd have to play again to see.
21:07 <Ali> You have to build a starbase at each planet to control the area now
21:08 <Ali> Pirates are constant
21:08 <Cepheid> I thought it was just a starbase around the star?
21:08 <Cepheid> I haven't explored the update yet.
21:08 <Ali> Star/planet whatevs
21:09 <Ali> Just the one time I made it to 2400, all the races were like super peaceful
21:09 <Ali> And I had such area of control it was rather crazy.
21:10 <Ali> Though I do play on spiral 4 arms than the other form.
21:10 <ADragonDreaming> I'm also the type to, when something about the base game annoys me or I want to speed something up, to go install a mod to do that.
21:25 <Cepheid> Aaaand assignment done.
21:25 <Cepheid> Might as well get a headstart and do the next one for this class so I can spend next week working on whatever.
21:26 <Cepheid> You may not see much of me at home this week. I plan to stay at school to pull some long days to work on project and other assignments.
21:27 <Cepheid> Also, my tax return arrived. I have $1000.
21:28 <ADragonDreaming> nice
21:29 <Cepheid> Meanwhile I don't know what to have for dinner. Thanks to Thelema5 last night, I'm a little self-conscious of what I'm eating. >_>
21:30 <ADragonDreaming> whyzat
21:31 <Cepheid> I have high blood pressure. I shouldn't be consuming high-sodium foods, which pretty much consists of most of the food in the house. Of the foods that aren't, I got oatmeal, a few low-sodium soups and that's about it.
21:32 * Cepheid puts on cat music since Tizzy's in the room. Let's see if it has any impact.
21:33 <Cepheid> She just continues to look at me mostly.
21:33 <Cepheid> My guess is, she doesn't appreciate music.
21:34 <Snapai> Put on the youtube video of kitty Burger SCREAMING at the camera
21:34 <Cepheid> Let's not.
21:35 <Snapai> Most cats will respond to that. Just like most people would react to someone screaming at the top of their lungs out of confusion
21:35 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xygm4z1ZEx0
21:35 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
21:35 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Burger and Fries AKA the Very Angry Cat
21:35 <Cepheid> Is this it?
21:35 <Snapai> yeah
21:35 <Cepheid> That is not a happy cat.
21:35 <Cepheid> In fact, that cat might even be feral, based on it's behaviour.
21:35 <Snapai> Most cats are like "What is going on" D: because cats normally do not make that noise.
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21:36 * ADragonDreaming throws hands in air
21:36 <ADragonDreaming> Glowstone, plz
21:36 <ADragonDreaming> y uh hate chisels & bits
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21:37 <Snapai> I asked Google where Burger and Fries was, and it gave me the address of the Five Guys down the road XD
21:37 * Ali brees at ADragonDreaming
21:37 <Cepheid> Glowstone, Glowstone please deliver?
21:37 <Saerydoth> Five Guys has burgers that are way too thin and cooked too much
21:37 <Ali> And cost too much
21:37 <Saerydoth> they aren't really that good, it's not really any better than Burger King
21:37 <Saerydoth> yep that too
21:37 <Saerydoth> quality is about exactly the same as Burger King
21:37 <ADragonDreaming> while I agree I was not impressed by the burger it was rather too big in my experience
21:38 <Snapai> aha
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21:38 * Saerydoth misses Fuddruckers
21:38 <Cepheid> It depends on the tastes of people.
21:38 <Cepheid> The local Five Guys has burgers more in tune with the local region.
21:38 <Snapai> Burger was actually trapped by a garage door on his neck and wailed until a neighbor found him.
21:38 <Cepheid> Which basically means "burgers not unlike A&W"
21:38 <ADragonDreaming> I can no longer eat at A&W.
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21:39 <Cepheid> Note to self: Check sound card. It keeps dropping out unexpectedly.
21:40 <Cepheid> I think the connection may be weak. That, or it's overheating because of proximity to a GPU, but that seems unlikely.
21:40 * Cepheid goes to reseat the card.
21:42 <Saerydoth> Mab makes a sound not unlike that when Greykitty tries to bother her
21:42 <Snapai> Oh they're still around? Awesome. :D
21:43 <ADragonDreaming> What are?
21:43 <Saerydoth> of course they are
21:43 <Saerydoth> they're only 11/12
21:43 <Saerydoth> I'm expecting them to live to 20
21:43 <Saerydoth> neither has had any health problems whatsoever yet
21:43 <Snapai> Well Marty has been gone for a little over a year so ya know. Things happen. Didn't know.
21:43 <ADragonDreaming> oh, your cats
21:43 * Saerydoth nods
21:43 <Snapai> ADragonDreaming, used to room with Saery when I lived in Ohio.
21:44 <ADragonDreaming> ah
21:44 <ADragonDreaming> this explains much
21:44 <Saerydoth> mixed breed cats have a lot fewer health problems (and cancer problems) than pure breeds
21:44 <Saerydoth> mine are DEFINITELY mixed, the vet doesn't even know what the hell Greykitty is other than probably 1/4 maine coon
21:44 <Snapai> I saw both Mab (tiny calico) and greykitty (very miswired grey...kitty) when they were very young.
21:44 <ADragonDreaming> hmm... should I perhap construct this out of orange concrete
21:44 <Saerydoth> didn't you say Marty was the product of someone trying to breed Ocicats? There was probably some inbreeding there, probably why the cancer happened :(
21:44 <Snapai> No
21:45 <Snapai> No, Marty was an ordinary tabby
21:45 <Saerydoth> Mab isn't that tiny anymore, she's 9 pounds?
21:45 <Saerydoth> ah oh
21:45 <Saerydoth> *ok
21:45 <Cepheid> Truth told, I don't think it's the sound card. I think the connector on the board is damaged or gone.
21:45 <Saerydoth> I thought you said he was an ocicat
21:45 <Snapai> He was no i WISHED he was
21:45 <Saerydoth> ah ok
21:45 <Snapai> no i WISHED he was
21:45 * ADragonDreaming cheats some in to play with it a bit
21:45 <Snapai> He was just an ordinary tabby. Possibly with some maine coon, considering his size?
21:45 <Saerydoth> he would still be around today if he hadn't gotten cancer
21:46 <Saerydoth> there are a lot of cats recently that have lived to be 27-30
21:46 <Saerydoth> one lived to be 38
21:46 <Cepheid> I don't know what Spitfire is. He's a black cat, but if you look closely, you can see the traces of a fur pattern.
21:46 <Snapai> It's a couple percent chance on cats that they'll have that trait, they aren't reallly sure where it comes from.
21:46 * Saerydoth nods
21:46 <Snapai> Cepheid, tabby is a trait that can pretty much appear anywhere, on any cat color.
21:46 <Cepheid> I know at the least he's some sort of Tabby breed.
21:46 <Snapai> Maybe just black/black cat with the tabby trait
21:46 <Cepheid> Because one of the traces I can see more clearly on his body with a good light is the signature tabby "M" on his head.
21:47 <Saerydoth> anyway, in our current apartment, there is a bookcase near the back window/door, with a heater vent right above it
21:47 <Saerydoth> somehow a towel ended up there
21:47 <Saerydoth> and when the towel ended up there Mab claimed that as her spot
21:47 <Snapai> Tabby isn't a breed. It's just a pattern that shows up in certain cats, it's a trait mixed into most cats
21:47 <Cepheid> Beyond that, it's hard to tell. His skin appears witish-grey.
21:47 * Saerydoth thinks Mab turned 12 sometime in February or March
21:47 <Snapai> You can get the tabbytrait on most cats.
21:47 <Saerydoth> I got her in late April/early May and she was maybe 8-12 weeks?
21:49 <Saerydoth> http://www.lovemeow.com/two-sister-cats-1608364182.html - when the kitty copier runs out of ink
21:49 <ADragonDreaming> okay, orange conrete shall work
21:49 <ADragonDreaming> now to actually get it.
21:50 <Cepheid> ...
21:50 <Cepheid> Bravo, Creative, you can't even support Windows 10 properly.
21:50 <ADragonDreaming> who?
21:50 <Cepheid> Creative Labs. Audio card manufacturer.
21:50 <ADragonDreaming> ah
21:51 <Cepheid> Reports indicate that my sound card, even with the Win10 drivers, doesn't function properly under Windows 10.
21:52 <Cepheid> Device functions according to the OS, but no audio comes out.
21:52 * Saerydoth has a Creative sound card and it works fine under Win10
21:52 <Saerydoth> I'm using the spdif output on it
21:52 <Cepheid> What model?
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21:53 <Saerydoth> um, pci-e x-fi titanium of some sort
21:53 <Cepheid> I'm using that. Audio keeps dropping out randomly.
21:53 <Saerydoth> https://www.ebay.com/p/Creative-Sound-Blaster-X-fi-Titanium-Fatal1ty-PCI-Express-X1-PC-Audio-Card/1201641442
21:53 <Saerydoth> that's the same card I have
21:53 <Saerydoth> I've never had any issues with it...
21:53 <Saerydoth> been using it for probably 5 years?
21:54 <Snapai> I don't even use a sound card
21:54 <Cepheid> Maybe I should update various drivers then. Could be an OS-Motherboard issue.
21:54 <Snapai> Just wireless headphones (which have their own driver), or HDMI-embedded output >.>
21:56 <ADragonDreaming> whee, simple automated concrete.
21:56 <Cepheid> Well, there's a way to confirm if there's a fault in the hardware.
21:56 <Cepheid> Run the hardware under Linux.
21:56 * Saerydoth nods
21:56 <Saerydoth> this card has always worked perfectly fine
21:57 <Cepheid> If the hardware has problems under Linux as well, it's likely the hardware.
21:57 <Saerydoth> I haven't even really thought about upgrading it, because the new ones don't really offer anything that this doesn't have already
21:59 <Snapai> Welp, PC is on hold for another two weeks until my new credit card gets here.
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22:00 <Cepheid> So far, so good. But let's leave audio running for half an h- HEY STOP THAT TIZZY!
22:00 <Cepheid> The cats want to catch the mouse pointer.
22:01 <Cepheid> She's acting weird in the presence of the music, while on my desk.
22:01 <Cepheid> She looks confused.
22:02 <Saerydoth> BReath of the Wild has some good music in parts, but nothing anywhere in it even touches this
22:02 <Saerydoth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vivUsikDG6Y
22:02 * Saerydoth whews and looks at 100% save file x_x
22:03 <Saerydoth> oh my god that game was huge. The only games I've ever played that are bigger than BOTW are MMO's
22:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #2565 [ http://tinyurl.com/ybyzkw8t ]
22:06 <Saerydoth> Ganon was...underwhelming. I've fought minibosses in the game that were harder
22:06 <ADragonDreaming> When you go in prepared, yeh
22:06 <ADragonDreaming> That said if you actually have 100% then you've also got the Best End
22:07 <ADragonDreaming> Now, do it again on Master Mode.
22:07 <Saerydoth> best ending comes from 120 shrines + all memories, not 100%
22:07 <ADragonDreaming> Yes.
22:07 <ADragonDreaming> But 100% requires that
22:07 <ADragonDreaming> ergo, my statement is still correct
22:07 <ADragonDreaming> :D
22:07 <Saerydoth> I got all the korok seeds and discovered places and sidequests too x_x
22:07 <Saerydoth> true
22:07 <Saerydoth> I don't really have any interest in master mode
22:08 <Saerydoth> it was a fun game but in a lot of ways it was too much
22:08 <Saerydoth> I really hope they scale things back a bit for the next one. 900 korok seeds was freaking ridiculous
22:08 <ADragonDreaming> musice in BotW has what to do with Bob Murray and John Oliver?
22:08 <Saerydoth> oops
22:08 <Saerydoth> linked the wrong video
22:08 <Saerydoth> that one was funny though
22:08 <Saerydoth> meant to link this
22:08 <Saerydoth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPJC6nYa-5g
22:09 <ADragonDreaming> Also, given the "reward" you get for all 900 seeds and the fact that you can fully upgrade everything with just over half that...
22:09 <Saerydoth> yep
22:09 <ADragonDreaming> I think the 900 seeds was more so that people could reliably stumble across them
22:09 <Saerydoth> I understand it's just for completionlists but yeah
22:09 <Saerydoth> less than half actually, 441
22:09 <ADragonDreaming> and reliably get to "enough" without having to use a guide
22:10 <ADragonDreaming> the /lack/ of rarity is a means of averting Guide Dang It and encouraging exploration
22:10 <Saerydoth> Skyward Sword's only flaws were AWFUL controls, and a really boring/useless sky section
22:10 * Saerydoth nods
22:10 <ADragonDreaming> Everyone keeps saying the controls were awful
22:10 <ADragonDreaming> I had zero issues.
22:10 <Saerydoth> I didn't have "issues" if you define that as them working the way they were supposed to
22:10 <Saerydoth> it was just horribly designed and not at all fun
22:11 <ADragonDreaming> By zero issues I mean I had no complaints
22:11 <Saerydoth> waving your arms around like an idiot is not good gameplay
22:11 <ADragonDreaming> Like, to the point where I hear people complain and I cannot understand why
22:11 * ADragonDreaming flicked wrists instead of waving arms, to same result
22:11 <Saerydoth> motion controls can DIAF
22:11 <Saerydoth> worst concept ever made, I'm glad they're gone
22:11 <Saerydoth> I'm totally fine with gyroscopic aiming, that's the only part of them that I'm glad is still around
22:12 <ADragonDreaming> If you're waving wildly, I believe you are actually doing it wrong?
22:12 <Saerydoth> I wasn't literally waving it wildly
22:12 <ADragonDreaming> Small, controlled motions.
22:12 <Saerydoth> it's just a bad design and not fun. It's immersion breaking as all hell
22:12 <ADragonDreaming> Again, I did not find it so.
22:12 <Saerydoth> I would LOVE to see a remake of SS with BOTW's controls
22:12 <Saerydoth> the only thing they'd have to change is a few puzzles
22:13 <ADragonDreaming> Mm... would be interesting to see how they handle directional cuts.
22:13 <Saerydoth> BOTW was great in the control department, even if the story and music were nowhere near as compelling
22:13 <Saerydoth> good games don't make you think about controls
22:13 <Saerydoth> motion controls did the exact opposite of that
22:13 <Saerydoth> they take you out of the game and make you focus on the controller instead
22:14 <ADragonDreaming> Well... again, I did not experience that.
22:14 <Saerydoth> Skyward Sword would've been considered shovelware because of the controls if it hadn't done just about everything else right
22:14 <Saerydoth> the fact that I gave it 7/10 despite the awful controls shows how good of a game it otherwise was
22:14 <ADragonDreaming> After a brief adjustment period, I was not thinking about the controls.
22:14 <ADragonDreaming> I was just controlling.
22:15 * ADragonDreaming ponders next phase of this build.
22:15 * Saerydoth gave BOTW 8/10. The story, music, and dungeons were not anywhere near as compelling as Skyward Sword, and it suffered from TERRIBLE performance, but other than that and the repetitiveness of certain aspects and the lack of traditional dungeons it was a really good game
22:16 <ADragonDreaming> Terrible performance?
22:16 <Saerydoth> the actual gameplay itself was really good
22:16 <Saerydoth> yeah
22:16 <ADragonDreaming> Que?
22:16 <Saerydoth> framerate is hideous
22:16 <ADragonDreaming> Wat
22:16 <ADragonDreaming> wat framerate issues
22:16 <ADragonDreaming> thing was smooth as silk
22:16 <Saerydoth> only 30 at the best of times, with frequent drops to 15-20
22:17 <Saerydoth> there are a bunch of places i would visit regularly where it drops to 10-15 all the time
22:17 <ADragonDreaming> what platform?
22:17 <Saerydoth> korok forest, any village when it's raining, etc
22:17 <Saerydoth> switch
22:17 <ADragonDreaming> you sure your machine ain't defective?
22:17 <Saerydoth> there's nothing wrong with my machine
22:17 <ADragonDreaming> weird
22:17 <Saerydoth> I'm getting the same performance that digital foundry did in their analysis
22:17 <Saerydoth> anytime there are a lot of particle or environment effects framerate drops like a stone
22:18 <Saerydoth> the area where you find the master sword is a major offender
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22:18 <Saerydoth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6NkNgI1ssw&t=258s
22:19 <Saerydoth> and like I said, even at the best of times it's only 30 anyway
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22:19 <ADragonDreaming> I will never understand the hard-on for 60.
22:20 <Saerydoth> 60 is needed to look smooth
22:20 <Saerydoth> that said, a lot of switch games DO run at 60
22:20 <Saerydoth> Mario does
22:20 <ADragonDreaming> That, my friend, is a matter of opinoin.
22:20 <ADragonDreaming> hmm...
22:21 <Coco`> Not really an opinion
22:21 <ADragonDreaming> I need an invisible light source. How can I achieve this...
22:21 <Coco`> 60 frames clearly looks better than 30
22:21 <Saerydoth> 60 is objectively better in both how it looks and how it plasy
22:21 <Saerydoth> 100% of the time
22:21 <ADragonDreaming> That's a different statement
22:21 <Saerydoth> it's not just smoothness
22:21 <ADragonDreaming> That is "60 is better"
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22:21 <Saerydoth> it's input lag too
22:21 <ADragonDreaming> as opposed to "60 is required for it to look smooth"
22:21 <Saerydoth> BOTW was "ok" for most of the time but there are a lot of areas where it's a slideshow
22:22 <ADragonDreaming> If you say so.
22:22 <Coco`> 60 frames also gives you sightly better reaction times and timing
22:22 <ADragonDreaming> Again, these are different statements than "required to look smooth"
22:22 <Saerydoth> it's not slightly, rofl
22:23 <Saerydoth> but yeah, there's nothing wrong with my machine, BOTW just runs terribly in a lot of areas
22:23 <Saerydoth> if you have a display that can do it, 120 is even better. That said, 60-120 suffers a LOT of diminishing returns that 30-60 does't
22:24 <Saerydoth> I wouldn't ever expect a console, especially one that is designed to be portable, ever do 120fps thoguh
22:24 <Saerydoth> and 60 is perfectly fine
22:24 <Coco`> Yeah I was gonna say 120 is good although I don't have anything myself that does that
22:24 <ADragonDreaming> eh, 120 is unnecessary
22:24 <ADragonDreaming> human vision operates at 60
22:25 <Saerydoth> no it doesn't
22:25 <Coco`> I find that statement questionable
22:25 * Schism pokes ADragonDreaming. "Gimme elixir!"
22:25 <Saerydoth> vision doesn't work in frames
22:25 <Saerydoth> that said, the vast majority of people are perfectly capable of distinguishing 200fps
22:26 <Saerydoth> fighter pilots have to be able to recognize images that are displayed for 1/200th of a second (type of plane, etc), and they do
22:26 <Saerydoth> human vision does NOT operate at 60, it can FAR FAR exceed that. The only issue is most DISPLAYS operate at 60
22:26 <Saerydoth> you can get displays that run at 120 or 144 though, and you can absolutely tell the difference vs 60
22:28 * ADragonDreaming finds a distressing lack of source for either 60 fps argument or more in all these links google is finding. what happened to citing?
22:28 <ADragonDreaming> post on blizzard forums claiming to myth-bust the 60 but NO SOURCES. Articles for 60 with NO LINKED SOURCES. grablejfl
22:28 <Cepheid> The frame rate the human eye has been measured to be variable.
22:29 <Cepheid> It's inconsistent.
22:29 <ADragonDreaming> maybe wikipedia has something useful
22:30 <Cepheid> Framerate-wise, anything above 60 FPS is generally considered pointless, especially since games rarely, if ever, update their logic faster than that anyways, so the extra frame are just re-renders of the previous frame.
22:30 <Cepheid> However..
22:30 <Cepheid> Displays that run at 60+ FPS are generally easier on the eyes.
22:31 <Cepheid> But that's less a framerate thing and more a display refresh thing.
22:31 <Cepheid> Your eyes handle higher frequencies better than lower ones.
22:31 <Saerydoth> it's not completely pointless...things like FPS's you can get higher reaction time from the reduced input lag in 120fps vs 60.
22:31 <Cepheid> Except it doesn't work that way.
22:32 <Saerydoth> er lower reaction time I mean
22:32 <Cepheid> It doesn't work that way.
22:32 <Cepheid> Video game logic has what's known as a "main loop"
22:32 <Saerydoth> 120fps does have less input lag than 60fps though
22:32 <Cepheid> Can I finish explaining?
22:33 <Saerydoth> ok :P
22:33 <Cepheid> Unless the game's logic and input handling is tied to the framerate the game is running at, it won't have any impact if the game is running at a higher framerate. The game/render loop works like such: "Is it time to update the game world? If yes, process input state and update game world. If not, skip all that and render some interpolated scene between previous and next scene."
22:34 <Cepheid> Basically, well-coded games will only check input N times per second.
22:34 * Saerydoth nods
22:34 <Cepheid> Most games are locked at 60 game updates a second maximum.
22:34 <Saerydoth> 120 does look smoother than 60, but I agree that it's diminshing returns and smooth enough
22:34 <Cepheid> Therefore, input will only be checked a maximum of 60 times.
22:34 <Saerydoth> plus it takes MUCH MUCH more CPU/GPU power to achieve 120
22:34 <Cepheid> If the game's logic is tied to the framerate, then yeah.
22:34 <Snapai> N is 13
22:35 <Cepheid> You can achieve a higher input rate.
22:35 <Cepheid> Because at that point, before rendering a new frame, input and logic are updated.
22:35 <Snapai> According to RFC4648
22:35 <Snapai> 78 if you're just using the ascii value
22:35 <Coco`> Higher frame rates can help reduce network lag though. Depending on the game
22:35 <Cepheid> However, such design is considered very poor, especially in today's world. Examples of why are any game that uses physics tied to the framerate, or any game from the 90s.
22:36 <Saerydoth> yeah you never tie physics to framerate
22:36 <Cepheid> Coco`: Only if there's logic in place to ensure it. Same basic issue.
22:36 <Coco`> That's why I said depending on the game
22:36 <Cepheid> Right, right.
22:36 <Saerydoth> Arkham Knight did that, you could unlock the framerate to make it playable and it only cuased minor physics bugs but it took 6 months of patches before that game was playable without third party hacks
22:36 <Coco`> If it's coded that way
22:37 <Snapai> I remember old DOS games that were just tied to the CPU.
22:37 <Snapai> Timing based on "do this as fast as you can, that'll be slow enough"
22:37 <Cepheid> In any case, the distinction between one frame and the next will indeed be smoother if the game is designed to do interpolation of the scene at higher framerates.
22:37 <Cepheid> But the belief that it makes input faster? That's up to the way the game is designed.
22:37 <Coco`> Snapple eye slap I
22:37 <Snapai> Would be interesting to see frame blending at HFR in games.
22:37 <Cepheid> More commonly, you'll get a bunch of buffered input that's processed at the next game update.
22:38 <Cepheid> In any case, the biggest impact of a higher framerate is more about the effects it has on the eyes.
22:38 <Cepheid> And even then I think that was more limited to CRT monitors. Not sure about modern ones.
22:38 <Snapai> Actually, I want to get ahold of the 48fps Hobbit, and mix it on top of itself one frame back, so each frame is overlaid with frame n-1
22:39 <Snapai> To put its shutter speed back to what 24FPS has, to see if it looks better
22:39 <Cepheid> I do know that back then, my eyes more easily handled looking at monitors for long periods of time at 75 to 80 Hz.
22:39 * Filly_Nightmares floofs up and hats on Snapai!
22:39 <Cepheid> And the lower the frequency went, the worse my eyes felt, and eventually I'd get a headache.
22:40 <Saerydoth> back during the days of CRT's I could not go under 75Hz
22:40 * Filly_Nightmares overclocked her laptop's monitor to 100 hz!
22:40 <Filly_Nightmares> o3o
22:40 <Saerydoth> even 72Hz flickered like crazy
22:40 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, my experience with high frequencies on modern monitors and TVs is mostly 120/144Hz on my old 3D-enabled monitor.
22:40 <ADragonDreaming> what was I doing...
22:40 <Cepheid> Filly_Nightmares: I wish I could do that. My TV is locked to 60Hz max.
22:40 <Saerydoth> LCD's don't bother me at 60
22:40 <Filly_Nightmares> Aw
22:40 <Saerydoth> my display has an LED backlight which doesn't flicker
22:40 <Cepheid> I tried setting up a resolution at 1080p 75Hz, but the TV refuses to show it.
22:41 <Cepheid> Out of range and all that.
22:41 <ADragonDreaming> unfortunate. I cannot paint enlightened fused quartz with Barrier.
22:41 <Filly_Nightmares> I dun get 100 FPS in most of my games though.
22:41 <Filly_Nightmares> o4o
22:41 <Saerydoth> there's a big difference between a CRT running at 60 and an LCD running at 60
22:41 <Saerydoth> LCD's don't refresh, the "refresh rate" is just the maximum FPS it can display, it doesn't make the display flicker
22:41 <Snapai> Saerydoth, did you see HFR Hobbit?
22:42 <Saerydoth> yep
22:42 <Snapai> Did it look off to you? :D
22:42 <Saerydoth> nope
22:42 <Snapai> Huh.
22:42 <Saerydoth> it looked higher framerate
22:42 <Snapai> It looked like it was missing motion blur, to me.
22:42 <Saerydoth> it looked smoother
22:42 <Cepheid> Apparently it does support higher frequencies, but..
22:42 <Saerydoth> yeah they used less motion blur because not as much was necessary
22:42 <Snapai> It's not that!
22:42 <Cepheid> That's at lower resolutions.
22:42 <Snapai> That's not why they used less.
22:42 <Saerydoth> I knew it was 48fps going in though
22:43 <Saerydoth> and I was like "ah, higher framerate"
22:43 <Saerydoth> higher framerates are easier on my eyes
22:43 <Snapai> They used less because they left the camera settings the same.
22:43 * Cepheid wonders what the EDID returns for his TV.
22:43 <Saerydoth> I know why they originally chose 24fps back when TV and film first started
22:43 <Snapai> A normal 24FPS camera films typically with a 180 degree (or other partial, ya know) shutter
22:43 <Saerydoth> plus, film was expensive
22:43 <Saerydoth> in the digital era there's really nothing stopping it from being 60fps now
22:43 <Snapai> Saerydoth, wave your fingers in front of your eyes under normal lighting, you'll see blur.
22:44 <Snapai> With NO framerate involved.
22:44 * Saerydoth nods
22:44 <Snapai> That's also roughly the blur you're used to seeing in standard framerate film. Probably because they tried different shutter angles until they found one that felt natural.
22:44 <Saerydoth> the backlight on my monitor does not cause flickering if I wave it in front of the screen, looks just like waving it in front of a light, or sunlight
22:44 * Saerydoth nods
22:45 <Snapai> Well...when they do HFR film, they leave the shutter angle the same, which halves the framerate.
22:45 <Snapai> But two updates in the same amount of time does not create equivalent blur.
22:45 <Snapai> I don't know why. But it gives HFR the same effect as tightening the shutter down in the fight scenes in Gladiator - removes blur, gives this hyperfocused effect that can feel like an adrenaline rush
22:46 * Saerydoth nods
22:46 <Snapai> Which, in slow speed scenes, feels really outta place.
22:46 <Snapai> One way you can do it is to set the shutter all the way open, to 360degrees (easier with digital and CG than actual film, I'd imagine)
22:47 <Snapai> Just think it'd be neat to mesh Hobbit on top of itself, to see what 48FPS with each frame visible for 1/24th of a second to see if it fixes the weird look.
22:48 <Snapai> It might still look better.
22:48 <Snapai> Like "oh wow, that looks more real than either"
22:48 * Saerydoth has the extended edition on DVD, it's been a long time since it was in theaters
22:54 <ADragonDreaming> I think the botania floating flower is my favorite light source
22:55 * Saerydoth has all LED bulbs now
22:56 <Filly_Nightmares> ME NOMS Saerydoth
22:56 <Filly_Nightmares> O4O
22:57 * Saerydoth hugs Filly_Nightmares
22:57 <Cepheid> Looks like the EDID definitely includes 75Hz.
22:57 <Cepheid> But only for resolutions lower than 1152x864.
23:00 * Filly_Nightmares nests on Saerydoth. She wuvs!
23:02 * Saerydoth nuzzles
23:03 * Cepheid carefully creeps resolution up to see what the maximum limit is.
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23:09 <Cepheid> 1648x927 is the highest resolution I can manage at 75Hz.
23:09 <Cepheid> ANything after that just causes the TV to emit "Mode not supported."
23:10 <Cepheid> Hum. With the switch to CVT REduced Blank standard, I can exceed it a bit further.
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23:13 <Cepheid> 1856x1044.
23:14 * ADragonDreaming "ages" the temple
23:15 <ADragonDreaming> hm. I should hang vines, maybe.
23:15 <Cepheid> Hum. Strange.
23:16 <Cepheid> It won't accept a pixel clock above 164MHz for the lower resolutions. The maximum resolution I managed was 1859x1046.
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23:16 <Cepheid> Which ultimately makes no sense as the native display runs at a pixel clock of... 594MHz.
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23:22 <Cepheid> Hum.
23:23 <Cepheid> Filly_Nightmares, you still around?
23:24 <Cepheid> It appears I can tweak the Front/Back Porch settings to get a higher framerate with a higher resolution. Apparently these settings are only relevant to analog signals.
23:25 <Cepheid> And CRTs.
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23:27 <ADragonDreaming> Hey Cepheid.
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23:27 <Cepheid> Yes?
23:27 <ADragonDreaming> I built a thing that can store a really big number in power.
23:28 <ADragonDreaming> 9,223,372,036,854,775,807
23:28 * Filly_Nightmares noms Cepheid
23:28 <Cepheid> 64-bit integer, then?
23:28 <ADragonDreaming> Something something upper limit variable in Java
23:29 <Cepheid> Filly_Nightmares: Is it safe to reduce the Front/Back Porch and Sync Width on non-CRTs?
23:30 <ADragonDreaming> I've been building a temple around it and it's been inputting somewhere around 380k rf per tick for the entire time. sitting at 136.47 billion and rising.
23:30 <ADragonDreaming> 0% full in the UI.
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23:32 <Cepheid> Yeah, that'd be a 64-bit signed integer max value.
23:36 <ADragonDreaming> Prior to building the Orb of Power I also built Vibrant Capacitor banks into my tower.
23:37 <Filly_Nightmares> I dunno, Cepheid!
23:37 <ADragonDreaming> 886 of them.
23:37 <ADragonDreaming> apparently.
23:37 <Filly_Nightmares> I used NVIDIA control panel and just adjusted the refresh rate!
23:37 <Filly_Nightmares> o4o
23:40 <Cepheid> Annoyingly, it's not saving the new mode. I think it's bugged, because now suddenly the mode I toyed around with no longer wants to be used.
23:41 <Cepheid> Linux time, to see if it's working at all.
23:52 <Cepheid> Right, this isn't working. I'm assuming that the TV has code to prevent it from being overclocked.
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