00:03 * Cepheid tries not to vomit, himself.
00:03 <Cepheid> I had a glass of tomato juice with two shots of siracha sauce, about half a shot of worchestershire sauce and tabasco sauce.
00:03 <Cepheid> My stomach isn't handling it too well.
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00:12 <ADragonDreaming> ...I would imagine it isn't.
00:12 <ADragonDreaming> That's a lot of ... stuff.
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00:16 <PinkieShy> I feel like i need a nap :P
00:16 <PinkieShy> but if i sleep now.. i won't sleep tonight >.>
00:18 <Cepheid> My advice? Don't.
00:18 <Cepheid> I'm going to be up all night, myelf, because I don't sleep normally.
00:19 <Cepheid> oh my gods.
00:19 <Cepheid> Something's wrong with the cable connecting my PC to the router. =.=;
00:22 <Cepheid> There it goes.
00:25 * Cepheid goes to re-setup the factorio server he was running with Bob's mods. Will upload the pack to google drive for those who want to tag along and die horribly.
00:26 <Cepheid> Also because I need someone to test something.
00:26 * Ali paints Cepheid
00:27 <Cepheid> Why are you doing this?
00:27 <Ali> Cause Bob
00:27 * Ali paints all sorts of happy little trees on Cepheid's flank
00:27 <Cepheid> I am afraid I do not understand- Oh, Bob Ross.
00:28 <Cepheid> I'm gonna use Rampant on the server, but I'm gonna see if I can dial back the aggressiveness a bit.
00:29 <Cepheid> As it is, the attacks happen faster than I can get turrets up for.
00:29 * Ali noms Cepheid's ankles in protest!
00:29 <Cepheid> ... Fine, fine. I'll leave them be.
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00:37 <Cepheid> Now to create a map.
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00:53 <Cepheid> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1x3ZldZJLzDa1nzn_UFv3exR15T5sagIq If anyone with Factorio wants to join the hell I'll be dealing with, here's the mod archive, and a readme including details on how to install it in poorly written techie English, as well as the address for it.
00:54 <Cepheid> ... Actually hold on, a few mods appear to be missing. =.=;
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00:57 <PinkieShy> me: Hey Google, How do you take your coffee... Google: I take it far away from me.. If it spills, I'm done for.. -plays fail trumpet music tone-
00:59 <Cepheid> There we go, pack's fixed up.
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01:15 <Cepheid> First order of business, turrets and ammo. Using horrible methods to get them up ASAP.
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01:57 <Cepheid> Since I don't expect these ankle biters to play nice or listen to Ali, I'm building walls EVERYWHERE.
01:58 * Ali nom nom noms Cepheid ankels
01:58 * Schism flops in from work. Also, adulterates some egg and potato salad, with lots of paprika.
01:59 * Schism offers some to Ali. It's not hot at all, but it /is/ spicy.
02:00 * Ali nopes from spicy
02:00 <Schism> No, as in 'it has spices in it'.
02:02 <Schism> Black pepper is a spice, remember!
02:03 <Cepheid> Ah, Schism. Now you can answer my question from earlier. How often do you get rude people, or people who close the door on you on your door-to-door salesman job? Also, are you the type who doesn't listen to the whole "Sorry, we're not interested." response at all?
02:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1401 [ http://tinyurl.com/yd43nyad ]
02:07 <Schism> Cepheid: Depends. First 'not interested' is a knee-jerk reaction, usually. You know, the whole 'see a salesperson, react' bit.
02:08 <Schism> Mostly, I don't get a lot of rude, instant-slam folks. Maybe... eh. One out of every 250 people I see? If that?
02:08 <Cepheid> Heh.
02:08 <Cepheid> I was asking because my parents insisted I use the "Not interested" reaction, and I felt like I was being rude, but at the same time, the saleswoman/man were INSISTENT.
02:09 <Cepheid> They wouldn't leave until I closed the door. Bell salespeople. >.>
02:09 <Schism> There's a rule of thumb, in my case - three nos, walk away.
02:09 <Schism> Oh. Should have asked for their employee info.
02:10 <Schism> Not to throw them under the bus, but that sort of behaviour reflects poorly upon us all.
02:10 <PinkieShy> Back..
02:10 <PinkieShy> Went to lay down but not sleep. :P
02:10 <PinkieShy> lay there watching youtube off and on for like 30 minutes or an hour lol
02:11 <Cepheid> Schism: I also imagine soliciting in an area where soliciting is forbidden also reflects poorly.
02:12 <Cepheid> As for asking for employer info, I am hesitant to do it.
02:13 <Schism> We call those 'coachback opportunities'.
02:13 <Cepheid> Sure, the "Not interested" is a knee-jerk reaction, but asking for employer info has the negative association of "I'm going to report you for bothering me." to it.
02:13 <Cepheid> I usually prefer to reserve that for extreme cases.
02:13 <Schism> Being hesitant, I understand. It sounds like they weren't taking no for an answer at all.
02:13 <Cepheid> Like OC Transpo's behaviour.
02:15 <Cepheid> Or recent recorded behaviour of UPS Canada. >_>;
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02:18 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
02:18 <Cepheid> 51 miners at full capacity can feed.... 94 furnaces.
02:19 <Cepheid> 94 / 6 results in 15.66667, rounded up it's 16. Six lanes of 16 furnaces. >.> *Gets burnin'*
02:30 <Cepheid> Despite my best efforts, the ankle biters did some damage.
02:34 * Ali got some biomass so she goes to make more nids!
02:34 <PinkieShy> The other day when i went to my doctor i told her about my Anxiety alot lately.
02:35 <PinkieShy> She is referring me to like a psychologist soon.
02:36 <PinkieShy> She thinks its part of my autism but needs to on paper supposedly.. Since Anxiety can be part of Autism.
02:36 <PinkieShy> Worrying about very small things that about most people would care less to even think about lol
02:36 <Cepheid> That reminds me, got a callback from the outpatient services. "Our waiting list is so long you're better off waiting until your June 16th appointment.
02:37 <PinkieShy> Cepheid there is a place in Charleston that does appointments not a week in advance at all
02:37 <PinkieShy> They only do it like 3-4 days in advance.
02:37 <PinkieShy> So she might refer me to them.. Since they are like one of the Best in the state.
02:41 <Cepheid> Here, in Canada, there's a huge shortage of doctors of all types because of the US.
02:43 <Thelema5> There's a huge shortage of doctors in the US too, people often have to wait a month or more just for a general check-up
02:43 <Thelema5> Most services are provided by nurse practitioners now
02:43 <Cepheid> Essentially, there's a bit of a brain drain occurring with doctors and nurses in Canada. They're going to the US as the work there is more profitable on account of the fact that they can charge whatever they want.
02:45 <Thelema5> I'm not sure of your source, but doctors fees are pretty tightly regulated here- costs are set by the insurance companies in a bidding system
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02:45 <Thelema5> Maybe private practitioners who don't deal with medicare and medicaide have more leeway?
02:46 * Ali has a regular doc she has to see 4 times a year
02:48 <PinkieShy> Thelema5 I have Medicaid.
02:49 <PinkieShy> Back when i was looking for a dentist like 2 years ago.. I called all in the area and the very last one i called took my insurance.
02:49 <PinkieShy> But the last one is a old dentist but its a new one too..
02:51 <Thelema5> That's because medicaid does not negotiate prices it will pay to doctors; they have a standard rate set which is pretty low- ie. it pays doctors less than private insurance companies will for the same serives
02:51 <Thelema5> So doctors who accept it are basically having to deal in volume
02:53 <Thelema5> The rates that a private insurance company pays the doctor will be slightly higher, but still a negotiate rate between what the doctor wants to get, and what the company wants to pay. Then there are the "listed rates"- that's the cost the doctor TELLS the insurance company it wants, and the rates it published- and CHARGES- to people without insurance
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02:53 <PinkieShy> https://s3.amazonaws.com/screenshots.screencast-o-matic.com/screenshot/u/Lh/1522966722920-99962.png lol
02:54 <Thelema5> This is why people are cautioned against paying medical bills right away- doctors will usually be willing to lower your costs because nothing is set in stone
02:55 <Thelema5> The US medical system is broken, and the insurance companies are to blame.
02:56 <Thelema5> Them, and a legal system which allows people to sue medical practitioners for millions of dollars over routine mistakes...
02:56 <Thelema5> but of course, doctors psy litigation insurance too- so that side is also an insurance scam
02:57 <Thelema5> But corporations are people and have rights. Of course.
02:57 <Thelema5> </rant>
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03:05 <PinkieShy> Just had an adoreable loli wolf howl at me.
03:06 <Thelema5> One last note on the subject- those massive 6 figure bills for simple medical proceedures? Almost no one pays that amount. Either the doctor will negotiate a lower cost for the consumer, or- if the consumer refuses to pay- it goes to collections. Collection agents will try to negotiate a payment schedule, at a lower cost instead. Usually 1/3 to 1/2 the original amount. Of course, this will screw up your credit. But medical bills don't count
03:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: PMV: Pomeil / Question [ http://tinyurl.com/yb5f7rs6 ]
03:08 <DashedRainbows> How are you Thelema5?
03:11 <Thelema5> So basically, when you see a post on social media about someone receiving a bill for $50,000 for a hospital stay, that bill is for an uninsured person- so the doctor can use it as a bargaining chip with unrelated insurance companies. "See? This is what I charge for the service! You should pay at least half that". They know that in the end the insurance company may pay 1/3 for other patients with similar proceedures. But the doctor has usually
03:11 <Thelema5> I'm oksy, DashedRainbows. You?
03:11 <Thelema5> *Okay
03:12 <DashedRainbows> I'm ok I guess. Bored and lonely though
03:14 <Thelema5> I'm lonely too. I never get out of the house anymore and never see anyone except my SO, and she doesn't seem vrey happy with me lately... so feeling a bit isolated
03:14 <Thelema5> I can relate.
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03:16 * Cepheid noms water table crackers.
03:18 * Cepheid throws Schism with a bunch of grenades to the anklebiter swarm.
03:19 <DashedRainbows> I'm a boring person
03:20 <Thelema5> I enjoy your company
03:25 <DashedRainbows> Unlike myself
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03:26 * Filly_Nightmares is sick floofy
03:26 <Thelema5> Heh, most people don't make good company for themselves
03:26 <Filly_Nightmares> !mbox
03:27 <Filly_Nightmares> !mbox list
03:27 <Filly_Nightmares> !mail Starlight_Glimmer Floooooooooooooooooooooooooof
03:27 * DerpyBot 's eyes begin to glow in a strange light..
03:27 * Filly_Nightmares curls up on DashedRainbows for bed
03:28 <Thelema5> Here's a sad fact- I ask Cortana to tell me stories, jokes, and to sing me songs sometimes while I'm working alone at home... and I'm pretty sure this function was DESIGNED for the modern workplace
03:28 * Filly_Nightmares licks Thelema5
03:28 <Filly_Nightmares> Ask her what she thinks about Master Chief!
03:28 <Filly_Nightmares> o3o
03:29 <Thelema5> The "personal assistant" has social functions because designers realised that people were going to be living more solitary lives
03:31 <Thelema5> And to be fair, the technology works. I actually have come to value these simple interactions
03:33 <DashedRainbows> I wish I could talk to Cortana
03:34 <Thelema5> You can type to her
03:34 <DashedRainbows> I know
03:34 <DashedRainbows> I am slow, so very slow typing
03:35 <Thelema5> You seem to do pretty well here
03:35 <Cepheid> Oh dear gods spitfire.
03:35 <Cepheid> He's climbed down onto my lap/belly and is rubbing himself all over me.
03:36 <Thelema5> Cepheid, my overweight diabetic cat injured his right front wrist jumping from too high of a height
03:36 <Thelema5> *elderly
03:37 <Cepheid> Oof, how bad is the injury?
03:38 <Schism> Poor Mr. Coon... ;-;
03:38 <Cepheid> Ow, ow ow ow. My shoulder. Spitfire, I need to clip yer claws.
03:38 <Thelema5> He was limping today- his leg doesn't seem sensitive to touch, I checked for fractures and whatnot... he just got annoyed with the prodding- didn't respond with pain signals. But he seems reluctant to put his full weight on it and is limping from place to place. He's stlll climbing up to his favorite perches and can jump up to the bed...
03:38 <Cepheid> If he's limping and still using it, it's likely not broken.
03:39 <Cepheid> Probably just a bruised muscle.
03:39 <Thelema5> I'm not sure if I should take him to the vet because he has extremely violently adverse reactions to car rides
03:39 * Filly_Nightmares whine
03:40 <Thelema5> I'm afraid he'll have a heart attack if I take him
03:41 <Thelema5> It's been two days... he seems better today than when it happened. Should I be concerned enough to take him in?
03:41 <DashedRainbows> I use autocorrect and seeing a lot, Thelema5
03:42 <DashedRainbows> Swiping
03:42 <Thelema5> My gut feeling is that it's "just a flesh wound", but I'd feel terrible if something happened as a result of waiting
03:42 <Thelema5> DashedRainbows, I've tried swiping, it was hard
03:42 <Cepheid> You said he's not sensitive to touch, right? And he IS using the leg? Not holding it up all the time?
03:43 <DashedRainbows> It beats aiming for tiny letters for me
03:43 <Thelema5> Not holding it up, right. I read elsewhere that cats hold up serious injuries.
03:43 <Thelema5> He's just limping a bit but going about his normal routine
03:44 <Thelema5> Complains a bit when trying to get comforatable
03:44 <Cepheid> Then he's fine.
03:45 <Cepheid> Just too much strain on the muscles. If he's not holding it up, then it's likely not broken.
03:45 <Thelema5> I think so. I think he'll be okay in a few days. He's still getting around okay, still jumping... just a bit uncomfortable and pissed about it
03:46 <Thelema5> But he is getting older and... really not very smart. I'm afraid this sort of injury may become more common over time
03:47 <Thelema5> Oh, sure! I can jumo that!.... OW!"
03:48 <Cepheid> Hard to say.
03:49 <DashedRainbows> I tend to do that too
03:49 <DashedRainbows> That's why I use the seatbelt outside
03:50 <Thelema5> Cepheid, leg isn't swollen, no fever, no yoweling or complaints... he just seems annoyed that his leg hurts, and limps around with it.
03:51 <Cepheid> For some reason I now envision DashedRainbows looking down the sidewalk, seeing a ramp, thinking "Oh sure! I can jump that!" and then gaining as much speed as possible, hitting the ramp and then landing on his side.
03:51 <Cepheid> I am so, so sorry, DashedRainbows.
03:51 <Thelema5> O.o
03:52 <DashedRainbows> Something like that
03:52 <DashedRainbows> That pothole is small then momentum!
03:53 * Thelema5 is envisioning DashedRainbows doing a cool Skateboarding thing with his wheelchair
03:53 <DashedRainbows> Hmm
03:53 <Thelema5> Could be posssible!
03:54 <Thelema5> Ollie!
03:54 <Cepheid> I now also envision Stephen Hacking having tried that a few times.
03:54 <Thelema5> RIP
03:55 <DashedRainbows> I can't believe it's been almost a month
03:55 <DashedRainbows> To some people he was a god
03:58 <Cepheid> I'd like to imagine that he's out there, still in his wheelchair somewhere, going with his monotone speaking device "Hey guys, check this out!" and then he pops a wheelie and creates a black hole somewhere.
03:58 <DashedRainbows> 0.o
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04:02 <Thelema5> DashedRainbows, yeah... he was an amazing person. I did read and was influenced buy his consumer level books On the Shoulders of Giants and A Brief History of Time, as well as The Grand Design... great works for sure! But his legacy will be carried on by the other scientists who are qualified to understand his research,
04:04 <DashedRainbows> Personally to me his work was merely an intriguing diversion
04:05 <Thelema5> me goes to find some cheese
04:05 <DashedRainbows> I find more value in enjoying life
04:06 <DashedRainbows> For example cheese making!
04:12 * Filly_Nightmares sticks DashedRainbows' nosie into one of her cheesehholes in her legs
04:23 <DashedRainbows> Cheese bug horses!
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04:35 <PinkieShy> My dog smells like a cookie
04:36 <PinkieShy> The flea medicine he put up a fight against it but.. He is napping now instead of scratching.
04:38 <PinkieShy> Very high cinnamon smell
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04:49 * Cepheid starts building the wall in his factorio base.
04:51 * Schism flops, after putting another few hundred thousand gil worth of materials onto the marketplace.
04:53 * Filly_Nightmares noses Schism
04:53 <Filly_Nightmares> https://www.redbubble.com/people/pudic/works/12989859-giant-alien-spiders-are-no-joke?p=t-shirt
04:53 <Filly_Nightmares> o3o
04:54 <Schism> Filly_Nightmares, ah, but that has such a high reward if you succeed...!
04:54 * Filly_Nightmares coughs at Schism and nestles
04:55 * Schism curls up. Is cold foodling.
05:00 * Filly_Nightmares warms Schism
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05:17 <Cepheid> Fortunately this game doesn't include burrowers. Just towers and biters. But the Rampant mod makes the biters worse.
05:17 <Cepheid> Makes them more aggressive, and combined with Bob's Mods, adds new biters and spitters. Some that spit nuclear ammo.
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05:31 <Cepheid> That's not to say people haven't made burrowers a possibility.
05:31 <Cepheid> Truth is, it's tricky to do with the existing modding API, but it is possible and there are mods to add it.
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06:30 <Cepheid> Right, bed time.
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07:18 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
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08:40 <RazorSharpFang> ConfusionRift, how many Laser turrets behind a 3-thick stone wall would be enough to stop a wave of beheamoths raiding? (Presume enough electricity)
08:45 <ConfusionRift> Unsure, really. Our setup was a line of turrets, about 2-3 spaces apart from each other.
08:56 <RazorSharpFang> The enemy bases just keep creeping closer slowly.
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09:22 <RazorSharpFang> Literally 9 worms on a nearby new base, and most of them are giant.
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09:59 <ConfusionRift> Sorry for the late reply. Was testing a system real quick.
10:02 <ConfusionRift> They will eventually make their way rather close, but they won't "infest" your base. They will attack every once in a while. Unless you're polluting on them, in which they will bug you often.
10:04 <RazorSharpFang> They literally won't attack you if your stuff isn't near their bases and none of your pollution reaches them.
10:05 <ConfusionRift> They WILL attack if they notice you and/or an antenna.
10:05 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, if you literally walk up to them. What's this about an antenna?
10:06 <ConfusionRift> Sorry, a radar dish.
10:06 <RazorSharpFang> The aggro range is so small, that's literally nothing
10:26 <RazorSharpFang> But they tend to just stay around their base and do literally nothing if there's no pollution and you're not physically approaching them.
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10:51 <ConfusionRift> Well, time for me to try to survive in the mess in Factorio/
10:57 <RazorSharpFang> What's your evolution factor?
11:00 <ConfusionRift> I started this one not long ago, so 10%
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11:05 <RazorSharpFang> Since my defenses are pretty good right now, I'm wondering if I should just forgo efficiency and just run fast modules or productivity modules on everything.
11:06 <ConfusionRift> Maybe speed modules. Productivity once a a tad tricky.
11:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1175 [ http://tinyurl.com/yco8jw4w ]
11:08 <RazorSharpFang> My total accumulator charge is 8.2GJ right now. That's probably enough.
11:13 <ConfusionRift> I think so.
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11:33 <Lumin> aayyy felly ponies
11:33 <Lumin> fellow(
11:35 <ConfusionRift> Hallooo.
11:35 <Lumin> I'm at PAX East!
11:37 <ConfusionRift> Niiice.
11:39 <Lumin> got a thing called a Buddha BOard
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11:41 <Lumin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNAXTJKENA0
11:46 * Finwe hugs a Lumin.
11:48 * Lumin Sakuraueawk
11:48 * Lumin squeak
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11:53 <Lumin> aayyy wubwub
11:54 <RazorSharpFang> ConfusionRift, Any idea if it's worth it to get a nuclear reactor?
11:55 <Lumin> n what game?
11:55 * Lumin pokes RazorSharpFang
11:55 <RazorSharpFang> Factorio
11:56 <ConfusionRift> Nuclear reactor is just to generate a lot more steam than boilers. It basically power the steam engines and turbines.
11:56 <RazorSharpFang> Currently, I'm doing very fine with just Solar Panels myself.
11:57 <RazorSharpFang> Would a nuclear reactor offer me anything?
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12:00 <ConfusionRift> If you already ditched steam, no. It won't be helpful at all, unless you need steam for something.
12:01 <RazorSharpFang> Does steam have use other than power generation?
12:03 <Lumin> I think it's cleaner than coal gens or something
12:03 <Lumin> and you need les of them as well
12:04 <RazorSharpFang> I'm very much past coal-powered generation, right now. I have coal just sitting around with no use for it.
12:05 <Lumin> can't you do something to combine it and oil into plastic or something?
12:05 <ConfusionRift> You can use steam for coal liquification. It turns coal, steam, and heavy oil into more heavy oil, and a bit of light oil and petroleum gas.
12:05 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, and I am. But I can't consume the coal fast enough.
12:06 <Lumin> Make more
12:06 <Lumin> MOAR
12:06 <Lumin> moar!
12:06 <RazorSharpFang> I already have chests of plastic just sitting there.
12:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Pony Plushie Compilation #271 [ http://tinyurl.com/y88che8x ]
12:07 <ConfusionRift> That's the only thing I can think of for using excess coal and steam.
12:07 <RazorSharpFang> Okay, but I have less use for oil than I do for coal.
12:07 <RazorSharpFang> Since oil is infinite.
12:09 <ConfusionRift> You can use the heavy oil for lubricant later on, which it's NEEDED for advanced parts.
12:09 <RazorSharpFang> I have more lubricant than things to lubricate.
12:10 <ConfusionRift> Have you already converted all conveyers to express ones?
12:10 <RazorSharpFang> I don't have that researched yet.
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12:11 <ConfusionRift> It's a bit further ahead, but you'll need lubricant for express belts and engines.
12:14 <RazorSharpFang> I keep changing my mind on what I should research next. "Laser turret damage! No, Efficiency Module 3! No... Power Armour! No..."
12:16 <RazorSharpFang> But hey, I did get that portable fusion reactor to power my power-armor.
12:19 <Lumin> aayyy
12:19 <Lumin> that's always fun
12:22 <RazorSharpFang> I'm using the exoskeleton too, so I'm a fast person now.
12:29 <RazorSharpFang> I think I just need to remodel my base from small-scale production to large-scale production.
12:29 <RazorSharpFang> 'cos the research just takes forever.
12:29 <ConfusionRift> Sleep tiiiime.
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12:30 <RazorSharpFang> Night Confy
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13:10 <Pony|20913> Hello?
13:10 <Tempest-Shadow> Yo
13:10 <Pony|20913> Hey, there's someone here!
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13:12 <RazorSharpFang> [citation needed]
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14:16 <Finwe> o3o
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14:17 * Sleeping_Nightmares curls up on Finwe
14:20 * Finwe boops the Sleeping_Nightmares.
14:20 * Sleeping_Nightmares is cold floofy
14:21 * Finwe warms Sleeping_Nightmares.
14:23 * Sleeping_Nightmares is still sick floofu
14:23 * Sleeping_Nightmares shivers
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14:26 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Gameleon: Final Part Of Equestria Girls: Forgotten Friendship Appears On Youtube [ http://tinyurl.com/y95pzgl5 ]
14:32 <Finwe> Dinnertiem?
14:32 <Finwe> :3
14:32 <Finwe> !hug
14:32 <DerpyBot> Hugtiem? :3
14:32 * DerpyBot wraps her front hooves around Finwe in a tight embrace
14:32 <Finwe> Hug- and dinnertiem!
14:32 * Finwe wraps his front hooves around Pi in a tight embrace.
14:36 * Pi hugs Finwe and nuzzles
14:42 <Tempest-Shadow> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOwdPdBQhfk
14:42 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
14:42 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Steamed Hams but it's voiced by Jeff Goldblum
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15:30 <Starlight_Glimmer> So my employer had a booth at a trade show
15:30 <Starlight_Glimmer> One of our IPad Pros got stolen
15:31 <Starlight_Glimmer> That happened a couple of weeks ago. Considering the kind of money the booth cost the IPad wasn't all that much of a loss
15:31 <Starlight_Glimmer> So we discussed whether to report it as stolen to the police not knowing if it's worth the effort
15:31 <Starlight_Glimmer> In the end we did. Today we got a call from the local police department
15:32 <Starlight_Glimmer> They actually found our IPad on a person with other stolen goods
15:32 <Starlight_Glimmer> This is incredibly lucky.
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15:47 <RazorSharpFang> Either that, or fated.
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16:11 <RyuImperator> hello
16:12 <RazorSharpFang> Yo
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18:36 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Discord Tales: The Alicorn and the Pea [ http://tinyurl.com/y9ykwyhj ]
18:38 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/cpDj0ff
18:39 <Ali> Cat makes a two pointer
18:40 <Cepheid> Heh.
18:40 <Cepheid> I just like how the hind legs don't flail. Sort of like "Uhm. Okay, this is my life I guess." relatively quickly.
18:42 <Ali> Maybe if I don't move people won't believe I just did that.
18:43 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, my cat is being a pain in the butt.
18:44 <Ali> That's a cat for you when they want your attention
18:44 <Ali> Though mine litterly butts me T.T
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18:46 <Cepheid> Usually when that starts happening, I forcefully push the cat's butt out of my face. Or pick him up and turn him 180 degrees.
18:46 <Ali> Oh hi Tia
18:49 <Cepheid> <Tia> "Haaaaiiiii!" *Sits butt-faced towards Ali*
18:50 <Ali> Pretty much
18:50 <Ali> She sat for awhile, got some food, then ran off
18:53 <Cepheid> Such mysterious little critter.
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19:00 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> ....
19:00 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> I'm back from a movie.
19:01 <Cepheid> Given your response, and the fact that you described it as a movie, I'm pretty sure I know whoch one it is.
19:01 * The_Nostalgia_Mare tears rundown her cheeks. "It was beautiful..."
19:05 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> I was crying so much tears of Joy.
19:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by The Skullivan: Overanalyze This: Pinkie Pie and the Unlikable Mudbriar [ http://tinyurl.com/y8ew63gk ]
19:07 * Cepheid should probably get dressed and go check the mail.
19:10 <Ali> And Tia is back
19:13 <Cepheid> I'm home alone for the weekend. I should throw a party. A one-person party. Because I don't know of anyone I can invite.
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19:14 <Ali> You didn't say this was a pity party
19:14 * Ali licks Cepheid
19:17 <Cepheid> Heh.
19:21 <Cepheid> I had a dream that we had a third cat last night. A small kitten that liked to sneak between things to keep itself hidden at all times.
19:22 <Cepheid> Tizzy and Spitfire helped us keep track of it, by constantly chasing or hunting it down.
19:25 <Cepheid> Also helped that it was noisy as hell.
19:25 <Ali> Well if it was a kitten
19:25 <Ali> It was probably crying for mom
19:25 <Ali> Thus the others knew where it was
19:28 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/urLte
19:29 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/YRZKS I... wow.
19:32 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/cHM8wQu Hehehe.
19:32 <Ali> Cat massage
19:37 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/GFkVM
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19:48 <Cepheid> There are times when I want to make a "house" outside for critters, and see who or what moves in.
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19:52 <RazorSharpFang> I've finally worked out how to make a rail network in Factorio.
19:52 <RazorSharpFang> It's a lot more efficient than filling a car's trunk and driving manually.
19:56 <Cepheid> Heh.
19:56 <Cepheid> Yeah, rails in Factorio are modeled after TTD and modded railways for that game.
19:56 <Cepheid> If you know that game, the concepts work in Factorio, to a degree.
19:57 * Ali doesn't understand all the Factorio talk!
19:57 <Cepheid> With no height factor in the game(Aside from cliffs giving a sense of dimension), there's no bridges. So any Transport Tycoon Deluxe junctions that rely on tunnels or bridges, or any station setups that rely on them, aren't viable.
20:00 <Cepheid> Not that it's impossible. Someone's already designed a bridge concept for water.
20:00 <Cepheid> Tunnels are likely also viable. It'd just cause all sorts of weirdness.
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20:01 <RazorSharpFang> I've ditched the efficiency modules for my remote mines, just focussing on mining as fast as possible, since I now have adequate turrets to defend it from raids.
20:01 <RazorSharpFang> I've also quadrupled the number of miners too, so production's sped up a lot
20:02 <Cepheid> Usually that's what one does when they expand, yes.
20:02 <Cepheid> The primary benefit of efficiency modules is to keep power usage down.
20:02 <RazorSharpFang> Mind you, i see a lot of yellow exclamation mark triangles now.
20:02 <Cepheid> Also, usually once expanded, people have access to automated mining drill building, so they just cover entire fields.
20:03 <Cepheid> Yeah.
20:03 <Cepheid> If you want to reduce it, use efficiency modules, again. The less pollution there is, the less frequent the attacks become.
20:03 <RazorSharpFang> My primary concern is not the frequency, but strength/numbers of the wave.
20:05 <Cepheid> After a while, the attack strengths taper off and a line of turrets is usually sufficient.
20:05 <RazorSharpFang> Once I moved to electric furnaces, my pollution level of the main base has shrunk so significantly that I need not worry about it.
20:05 <Cepheid> If you want more challenge than that..
20:05 <Cepheid> Go grab the Rampant mod.
20:07 <Cepheid> Rampant basically changes the behaviour of the bugs, adds new variants of them, and also changes swarm sizes.
20:07 <Cepheid> For example, you'll see spitters that do splash damage, spitters that spit acid, tesla spitters, and flame thrower spitters.
20:08 <Cepheid> And when they attack, they sometimes attack in waves. Massive waves.
20:08 <Cepheid> Just note that you will probably lose a few defenses from the getgo. The splash-damage spitters do heavy damage to walls. It's actually advised that you pick up some sort of mod that adds more walls, or enable Rampant's option to give walls resistance to spitter weapons.
20:10 <RazorSharpFang> I'll consider that on later runs. Just gotta work out how the base game works first.
20:10 <Cepheid> Yeah, it would be a good idea.
20:10 <Cepheid> My experiences with Rampant is that it is HARD.
20:10 <Cepheid> Normally I go for automation and logistics research first, among others.
20:11 <Cepheid> But with Rampant? Straight up turrets, automation, walls. Then I automate production of turrets, ammo and walls ASAP, even if I have to manually feed the assemblers.
20:14 <Cepheid> You *WILL* lose stuff early on, and you will be fighting to protect your own stuff alongside turrets.
20:15 <RazorSharpFang> There's mostly big biters right now, and my current hand-held weaponry's basically useless against them.
20:16 <Cepheid> Yeah, that's expected.
20:16 <Cepheid> Your hand-held weapons become mostly useless, with exception to the rocket launcher, or the rifle with uranium ammo.
20:17 <Cepheid> If you want something far more effective, a car or tank with AP or uranium ammo is better. The vehicles get increased firing speed and a greater boost in damage.
20:17 <RazorSharpFang> Mind you, the tank can just run over the bases.
20:17 <Cepheid> At the cost of taking damage, yeah.
20:18 <Cepheid> And when behemoth biters/spitters show up, ramming is not a good idea.
20:18 <Cepheid> Behemoths are resistant to impact, for starters, and you also incur a good chunk of damage to the tank.
20:18 * Ali noms everything!
20:18 <Cepheid> Tank shells or the gun are better for them.
20:19 <Cepheid> Heck, if you really want to go crazy, put four fusion reactors into some Power Armor Mk2, then put a bunch of personal laser defenses in it. They work even when you're in a tank.
20:19 <Cepheid> ...
20:19 <Cepheid> I hear meowing.
20:19 <Cepheid> And it stopped. Hmm.
20:20 <Cepheid> ...? I'll be right back guys, I hear something outside now.
20:25 <Cepheid> Odd. Nothing that I can see.
20:26 <Cepheid> Some signs that something was moving around out there though.
20:28 <RazorSharpFang> Do lasers count as physical damage?
20:29 <Cepheid> No, they are their own damage type, called Laser.
20:29 <Cepheid> Nothing resists it, if I recall correctly. Let me see.
20:30 <Cepheid> Yeah, nothing resists it.
20:30 <Ali> I'm a firin my lazorz
20:30 <Cepheid> Biters and Spitters gain resistance to physical and explosion after the first tier(So Medium and up). Worms gain resistance to physical, explosion and fire.
20:30 <Cepheid> Bases always have resistances to physical, explosion and fire.
20:31 <Cepheid> Basically, while lasers are slower than bullets, they do full damage to everything.
20:32 <RazorSharpFang> Light slower than literal objects.
20:33 <Cepheid> Assuming that the lasers in this case are actual lasers and not like, plasma encased in a magnetic field.
20:34 <Cepheid> But there's a mod to fix that issue if it bugs you. It turns the lasers into point-to-point beams.
20:35 <RazorSharpFang> I swear that the acid projectiles follow you.
20:35 <Cepheid> It does.
20:36 <Cepheid> Enemy shots for whatever reason home.
20:36 <Cepheid> Another thing that Rampant fixes. It turns off the homing aspect of spitter projectiles and worm projectiles.
20:36 <Cepheid> I think there's also another mod that just turns off homing, and nothing else.
20:36 <Cepheid> If not, it'd be a small, simple mod for me to write up.
20:40 <RazorSharpFang> Man I'm tired; I just tried to repair a rock.
20:40 <Cepheid> XD
20:41 <RazorSharpFang> I'm also really bad at managing my cars. I have 3 cars at the remote location, none at base. I'm at base. I don't have a car.
20:41 <Cepheid> I think one of my packages got lost in postal service hell.
20:42 <Cepheid> Because the usual tracking service I use now lists it's destination as "Unknown"
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20:51 <RazorSharpFang> I'm now eyeing that 4.7M iron-ore deposit.
20:53 <Cepheid> Go nuts.
20:53 <Cepheid> I usuallly prepare enough mining drills to cover it. I also do math afterwards to figure out how much ore it'll output a second, and fit the smelting to account for it.
20:54 <RazorSharpFang> I just have a big one-size-fits-all smelting area, and filter the outputs for their plates into chests.
20:57 <Cepheid> Right.
20:57 <Cepheid> It's worth noting that for throughput, oftentimes it's better to smelt on-site, then deliver. Especially if the site is far away from your usual smelting area.
20:57 <Cepheid> Since ore stacks up to 50 units, while plates stack up to 100.
20:58 <Cepheid> So 4000 plates over 2000 ore in a single cargo wagon.
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20:59 * Thelema5 just got off work and it's Friday night
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21:00 * Filly_Nightmares nests on Thelema5
21:00 <Filly_Nightmares> Is still 2 PM
21:00 * Thelema5 scans the horizon for a party
21:00 <Thelema5> 5:00 here
21:01 <RazorSharpFang> I find that the loading/unloading is more time consuming than the travel time myself, and that's with 50 units per stack.
21:02 <Cepheid> What kind of inserters are you using to load/unload?
21:03 <RazorSharpFang> Fast inserters. They've got the 2-items bonus on them
21:04 <RazorSharpFang> The current bottleneck is the mining itself, which is hilarious.
21:05 <Cepheid> Yeah, it helps to use stack inserters. In regards to mining, set up the miners to cover the entire field, then put the outputs through a balancer, then the output of the balancer to the train. Also helps to buffer the output by using two lines of inserters with a line of chests in between.
21:06 <Thelema5> What does it mean when the boss supervising a remote worker (me) doesn't respond to his status updates for 48 hours?
21:06 <RazorSharpFang> I'm already doing a buffer - my issue is that some of the chests are full, others empty.
21:06 <Cepheid> That your supervisor is lazy.
21:06 <RazorSharpFang> But what's a balancer?
21:06 <Thelema5> Seems like it
21:06 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang: Use a balancer. Hold on.
21:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Writer For This Week's "Fake it Til' You Make It" Revealed - Josh Hamilton [ http://tinyurl.com/yb87q5wa ]
21:07 <Cepheid> https://wiki.factorio.com/Balancers Scroll down a bit, there's a blueprint string button, click it, it'll copy the string to your copy-paste buffer. Open the blueprint UI in Factorio, select Import. CTRL+V to paste.
21:07 <Cepheid> You'll get a book of balancers. Hold it, scroll mouse wheel up or down to change patterns.
21:08 <Cepheid> Place pattern, it'll be blue belts, splitters and the like, but place belts of an appropriate tier and it'll still work.
21:08 <Cepheid> Usually I place an N-to-6 balancer right in front of the buffer chests, then hook up the input of the balancer to the output of the mining drills.
21:08 <Cepheid> It'll ensure all the chests get a roughly equal share of the loot for loading.
21:08 <RazorSharpFang> I'm not sure what I'm looking at - none of the images are loadingfor me.
21:09 <Cepheid> GUh.
21:09 <RazorSharpFang> Oh. I really shouldn't afk on the rail tracks.
21:10 <Cepheid> Yes, that's a bad idea.
21:10 <Cepheid> https://pastebin.com/WMWVy9Xv Here, this contains the blueprint code.
21:10 <Cepheid> Copy it with CTRL+C, then paste it in the ingame blueprint import window.
21:11 <PinkieShy> I turned on the A/C at 84F inside and its freezing inside now at 78F.. heh.
21:11 <PinkieShy> It ran a long time to get back to 78.. either thermostat isn't reading right or they might have to come out to check the unit >.>
21:11 <Thelema5> Hmm... my boss just texted me "all good work this week". so, yeah. yay.
21:12 <Cepheid> What the book contains is a list of N-to-N balancers. Balancers are arrangements of splitters, belts and underground belts that are specially placed to ensure that the output gets an equal fraction of it's input.
21:12 * PinkieShy hands Thelema5 a Garlic Butter steak
21:12 <RazorSharpFang> Ah, these are for express lines.
21:12 <Cepheid> Yeah.
21:12 <Cepheid> Just replace the express stuff with the appropriate tier.
21:12 <RazorSharpFang> I haven't researched them yet.
21:12 <Cepheid> It works for all 3 tiers.
21:12 <Cepheid> So if you have yellow belts, splitters and undergrounds, use all those. If you have red, same deal.
21:13 <Cepheid> The blueprints are just set to express because when people reach express, they also have a metric ton of logistics bots.
21:13 <RazorSharpFang> I have 15 output chests/things. Hmm.
21:14 <Cepheid> You can combine balancers to achieve greater effect.
21:14 <Cepheid> For example, a 4-to-4 balancer, connecting to two 2-to-6 balancers.
21:15 <Cepheid> The initial 4-to-4 will balance the output among four output belts. Then you can use a pair of 2-to-6 balancers to further spread the output equally among 12 belts.
21:15 <Cepheid> Of course, this lowers throughput a tad, but if you're just outputting to a bunch of buffer chests, the impact isn't that noticeable.
21:15 <RazorSharpFang> I'm wondering if I should even bother, given that the iron vein has 28k left.
21:16 <Cepheid> At that point, probably not. It's better to use it for your new vein of 4.7 million.
21:17 <Cepheid> You will likely be using a 6-to-# or 8-to-# for the initial balance on that vein, followed by whatever excessive configurations you want after that. I almost always make use of two carts, so I'd be using either a pair of 3-to-6 or 4-to-6.
21:17 <RazorSharpFang> I
21:18 <RazorSharpFang> How did people come up with these designs?
21:18 <Cepheid> Some people are truly insane.
21:18 <Thelema5> Off topic- is it inapproriate to send an upside-down smiley emoji to your boss if you're already on informal terms?
21:18 <Cepheid> They're so obsessed with perfect balance and throughput, that they spend hours upon hours designing them.
21:19 <Cepheid> Thelema5: I legitimately do not know. All I can advise is "No" on the grounds that it's likely the answer I'd get if I asked co-op services at my university.
21:19 <Thelema5> Thanks!
21:19 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang: And if you think those designs are insane, hold on.
21:19 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang: https://imgur.com/lRJ9ARf
21:20 <Cepheid> 64-to-64 balancer.
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21:20 <PinkieShy> So.. good news :)
21:20 <PinkieShy> That natural care flea drops is working.
21:21 <PinkieShy> So far so good.
21:21 <RazorSharpFang> Yep, I don't get any ofthatlol
21:21 <PinkieShy> all my dogs are just laying around resting. Only seen them scratch only like once today.
21:21 <Cepheid> I barely get any of it either, RazorSharpFang. Only that it seems to end in a balancer with 8 outputs, multiplied by 8.
21:22 <Cepheid> Or rather, starts with an 8-input balancer duplicated 8 times.
21:22 <Cepheid> Everything after that is a mess to me.
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21:25 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang: https://imgur.com/r/factorio/4RrBlLx
21:25 <Cepheid> That's some Tyranid-level *YAY* right there.
21:26 <RazorSharpFang> That's a lot.
21:27 <Ali> DID SOMEONE SAY NIDS
21:27 <Cepheid> Yep. Likely playing on excessive enemy settings.
21:27 <Cepheid> More excessive than I usually touch.
21:27 <Ali> That's a lot of red
21:28 <Cepheid> All the red is biter/spitter bases.
21:29 <Cepheid> Even on the most excessive settings, I don't think that can happen. It's either a special scenario, or the player has modded the game to allow far more excessive bases.
21:29 <Cepheid> Point is, that's basically Macragge at that point.
21:33 <Ali> Needs moar Nids
21:33 <RazorSharpFang> Calls for nuclear bombs.
21:34 * Ali has the swarm burrow far underground
21:35 <RazorSharpFang> As far as I know, they don't really burrow underground - even the worms who submerge are still vulnerable to even gunfire whilst submerged.
21:35 <Cepheid> Yeah.
21:35 <Cepheid> Though there's a mod that adds burrowers.
21:35 <RazorSharpFang> There's a lot of mods, aren't there?
21:35 <Cepheid> https://mods.factorio.com/mod/WormAttack
21:35 <Cepheid> Yep.
21:40 <RazorSharpFang> Strange that the trains that are automated only seem to want to go forward, and never in reverse.
21:41 <RazorSharpFang> I have to build a lot of loops for them.
21:43 <Cepheid> They will reverse if you put a locomotive on the other end of the train facing the opposite direction.
21:43 <Cepheid> It's primarily because trains are much slower in reverse.
21:44 <RazorSharpFang> Oh, I just put a loop on each station
21:45 <RazorSharpFang> I don't suppose there's a way to specifically refuel the locomotive without dumping fuel into the storage area?
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21:50 <Cepheid> Inserters.
21:50 <Cepheid> They treat the locomotive as any other container that accepts fuel.
21:51 <Cepheid> So if you have a chest full of fuel for an inserter to take from, inserting into the direction of a locomotive, whenever the locomotive arrives at the station, the inserter will put in fuel if it can.
21:54 <RazorSharpFang> My oil system is completely backed up with solid fuel, and I can't find anything appropriateto use it on.
21:54 <Cepheid> Sounds about right.
21:54 <Cepheid> The oil system is the most painful part of automation.
21:55 <RazorSharpFang> Explosives don't even use solid fuel - they're coal-based.
21:56 <Cepheid> Because petroleum gas tends to have a lot of use, many people often just crack heavy oil to light oil, then light oil to petroleum gas.
21:56 <Cepheid> Hooo boy this is going to be a nightmare to implement.
21:56 <Cepheid> The problem is just as bad as I thought it'd be.
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22:00 <RazorSharpFang> You can crack light oil into gas?
22:00 <Cepheid> https://wiki.factorio.com/Oil_processing
22:00 <Cepheid> You can crack heavy into light, then light into gas.
22:02 <RazorSharpFang> Oh, I don't have the required technology.
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22:05 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> I feel so satisifed.
22:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: My Little Pony Ring Pops Also Appear on Amazon [ http://tinyurl.com/ydf8vplz ]
22:08 <RazorSharpFang> I love how peaceful it is. *laser turrets can be heard firing in the background* *sips coffee* So peaceful.
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22:11 <Cepheid> Heh.
22:12 * Cepheid turns Rampant on in RazorSharpFang's world. SUddenly the sounds of nuclear explosions and napalm can be heard instead.
22:12 <RazorSharpFang> Once I get a proper production factory set up, I might research the artillery.
22:13 <Cepheid> Heh. Speaking of artillery.
22:13 <PonyZx> hi
22:13 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDLIkfSLTmU RazorSharpFang.
22:13 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
22:13 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Factorio: Big Bertha
22:15 <RazorSharpFang> It just decimates everything for miles.
22:15 <Cepheid> More or less.
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22:18 <RazorSharpFang> I honestly expected the beheamoths to move slower.
22:27 <Cepheid> Nope. They're like the tyranids. They move as fast as ever, with no regard to biological construction or appearance.
22:29 * Cepheid blares The Primals - Locus. He's home alone, might as well.
22:32 <RazorSharpFang> It's kinda weird that the enemies don't have idle animations.
22:34 * Cepheid shrugs.
22:36 <RazorSharpFang> Well, I'm off to sleep. Good night, Cepheid, and all.
22:36 <Cepheid> G'night.
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