00:01 <Cepheid> According to the general "rules" accepted by the industry, I've already worked two work days.
00:04 <Cepheid> Apparently, the average number of lines of code a developer writes a day tends to be around 20 or so lines due to the amount of design and planning involved.
00:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #2584 [ http://tinyurl.com/ycp28z5t ]
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00:08 <Cepheid> And a major hurdle appears.
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00:21 <Schism> Ah... this took a while, but getting my crystallizers into shape is well worth it.
00:26 * Ali flops over Cepheid
00:27 <Cepheid> Hoi.
00:27 <Ali> Ugh, some of the map spawns have been horrible
00:28 <Cepheid> Yeah, you can simply press Escape and go "Restart" until you find a reasonable spawn.
00:28 <Ali> I do, there's no way I'm starting a new game as a rookie with the major mats no where close together
00:29 <Cepheid> If you want something to help assist in that regard, go pick up the mod "Resource Spawner Overhaul." It adjusts resource spawning to make better use of trains, and also spreads out the biters a bit. On the other hand, it ensures that your starting point has all the basic ores needed.
00:30 <Ali> It hasn't been a bad rate of good to bad
00:30 <Ali> Did have a few problems with not having turrets up yet on one
00:30 <Cepheid> Yeah, it helps to handcraft some turrets early on. Expensive, but viable.
00:30 <Cepheid> But it sounds like you're slowly getting the hang of it.
00:31 <Ali> I'm getting the hang of it, but the layouts of the latter stuff not yet
00:31 <Cepheid> That comes with practice.
00:31 <Cepheid> Don't expect to create clean layouts like I did last night, at the start. Hell, even *THAT* isn't clean. No, expect spaghetti networks.
00:32 <Cepheid> Here, let me get an example of what a terrible layout looks like.
00:33 <Cepheid> https://eu3.factorio.com/assets/img/blog/fff-236-GridLock-final-4429.jpg
00:33 <Cepheid> I can't even follow this thing. And guess who made it?
00:33 * Schism takes a pause. Bwarghs.
00:33 <Schism> Cepheid: That does look like your work, I guess. XD;
00:34 <Schism> Or could be Adra's.
00:34 <Cepheid> No.
00:34 <Cepheid> It's one of the devs.
00:34 <Schism> Nah, I know, that's... yup. Madness.
00:35 <Ali> I don't even know what half of that stuff IS
00:36 <Cepheid> I don't even know what half of it is.
00:36 <Cepheid> It's impossible to follow.
00:36 <Ali> I see colors and stuff
00:36 <Ali> but I don't know anything
00:36 <Cepheid> Like, I can identify individual items, but I can't see how it's being utilized.
00:37 <Cepheid> Apparently, the dev just goes "spaghetti factory" crazy.
00:37 <Ali> Apperenty
00:37 * Ali can't spell!
00:38 <Cepheid> As for the actual dev, I have no idea. I'm willing to bet kovarex, though.
00:41 * Ali just hopes she'll be more helpful on the server cause she's still so unsure of self
00:44 <Ali> Cepheid, do you have problems with kitten claws getting stuck in just about everything?
00:46 <Cepheid> Yes.
00:47 <Cepheid> That means you need to clip their claws. Do you know how to do that?
00:47 <Ali> Nope! and I don't dare
00:49 <Cepheid> It's pretty straightforward though. Take a regular pair of nail clippers, hold the cat in between your lap, grab a paw, and then for each digit on the paw, press down on the tip until the claw pops out. Look at it carefully, figure out where the flesh in the claw starts(It's pretty apparent) and then just clip the tip of the claw. If you're worried about injuring it, just clip the very tip of the claw, don't go too far
00:49 <Cepheid> down. So long as the tip is blunted, it's fine.
00:49 <Cepheid> But if you're concerned, ask the vet to do it when you go to get them spayed. Or a parent who's done it before, or someone else you know who's done it.
00:49 * Ali nod nods and le hugs the Cepheid
00:50 <Cepheid> They'll squirm and fidget a lot, probably.
00:50 <Ali> I'd like some more Factorio training if that might be possible >.>
00:50 <Cepheid> Let me check something.
00:51 * Ali gets into the car and start driving around ramming into things, beware the mare drivers
00:52 <Cepheid> Unfortunately, I'll have to refuse tonight, Ali. I have work I want to get done, and I've only been working for two hours or so.
00:52 <Cepheid> And I'd like to try getting to sleep early tonight if at all possible.
00:52 <Cepheid> I didn't fall asleep until 6 AM this morning. =.=
00:52 <Ali> That's fine
00:53 <Cepheid> Sorry, it's just for the next few days, I am going to be *VERY* busy. I have a project due on the 11th that I have to finish, and it's only half-done. Not including the report.
00:53 <Cepheid> I actually shouldn't be playing games at all.
00:55 <Ali> Again not a problem
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01:04 * Starwatcher- fluffs his coat up
01:04 * Starwatcher- has pizza to share with the ponies
01:04 <Cepheid> That said, there are plenty of others who can assist. RazorSharpFang, ConfusionRift, Area, Schism..
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01:06 <Ali> Pft Cepheid the game spawned me on an island
01:06 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Hi Vulpor.
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01:06 <Ali> By island, I mean a 20 tile thing in a lake
01:06 <Cepheid> That happens occasionally yes.
01:06 <Heartbreak> Eeep!
01:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: A Story Comes Full Circle: Dragon and Tara Strong [ http://tinyurl.com/y95ctsxg ]
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01:07 <Vulpor> ....howdy Nossy...........................................................................................................................how
01:07 <Vulpor> O_o
01:08 <Vulpor> sorry I donno how or why it looks like that
01:08 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> o3o
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01:36 <Vulpor> Man I am in love of this format of writing
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01:37 <Vulpor> Creepypastas are so great for a quick horror story
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01:47 <Vulpor> O_o ow
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01:49 <Heartbreak> Gah!
01:49 * Heartbreak pies Starwatcher again!
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02:06 <Schism> coffee. coffeecoffeecoffee.
02:06 * Schism drinks a pot, then curls up and snoozes. z.z
02:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1403 [ http://tinyurl.com/y95unwyv ]
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02:47 <BronyEidolon> hello
02:51 <BronyEidolon> !flip
02:51 * DerpyBot flies up in the air and does a backflip
02:51 * DerpyBot lands on her back. Ouch!
02:51 <DerpyBot> ¡ƃuoɹʍ ʇuǝʍ ʇɐɥʍ ʍouʞ ʇ,uop ʇsnɾ ı
02:51 <BronyEidolon> !flip
02:51 * DerpyBot flips a muffin
02:51 * DerpyBot catches the muffin with her hoof, upside down
02:52 <BronyEidolon> !lulaby
02:53 <BronyEidolon> !lullaby
02:53 * DerpyBot carries BronyEidolon off to bed
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02:53 <BronyEidolon> !lullaby
02:53 * DerpyBot plugs her ears with some muffins
02:53 <BronyEidolon> !lullaby
02:53 <BronyEidolon> !flip
02:53 * DerpyBot flies up in the air and does a backflip
02:53 * DerpyBot lands on her back. Ouch!
02:53 <DerpyBot> ¡ƃuoɹʍ ʇuǝʍ ʇɐɥʍ ʍouʞ ʇ,uop ʇsnɾ ı
02:53 <BronyEidolon> !flip
02:53 * DerpyBot 's eyes begin to glow in a strange light..
02:54 <BronyEidolon> !flip
02:54 * DerpyBot sets her gaze on BronyEidolon
02:54 <Saerydoth> lol, that looked like Russian at first until I realized it was just upside odwn
02:54 <BronyEidolon> lol i had to turn my screen
02:56 <BronyEidolon> !flip
02:56 * DerpyBot flips a muffin
02:56 * DerpyBot catches the muffin with her hoof, correct side up
02:56 <BronyEidolon> !lullaby
02:56 * DerpyBot carries BronyEidolon off to bed
02:56 * DerpyBot tucks BronyEidolon in and hums a lullaby
02:58 <BronyEidolon> lol /then you realize its a vinyl song
03:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Wat: An Odd Day for the Cutie Mark Creeps [ http://tinyurl.com/ybbty8ep ]
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03:12 <BronyEidolon> good evening
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03:44 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
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03:57 <KooK> Harble
03:57 <KooK> Thelema5, how cracks it?
03:57 <Thelema5> aight
03:58 <KooK> Word
03:58 <Thelema5> Soup
03:58 <KooK> Broccoli Cheddar
03:58 <Thelema5> Good choice
03:58 <KooK> Darn tootin
03:58 <KooK> How goes the working life?
03:59 <Thelema5> I went to see Wes Anderson's new movie today
03:59 <Thelema5> Working is going okay, I have discovered the joys of the mid-day shower
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04:00 <KooK> Oh, Isle of Dogs?
04:00 <KooK> How is that?
04:00 <PonyZx> hi
04:00 <KooK> Hey PonyZx, what's crackin?
04:00 <Thelema5> It was very Wes Andersony
04:00 <KooK> xD
04:00 <KooK> That doesn't help
04:00 <Thelema5> Almost as if he were riffing on himself... every typical Anderson trope turned up to eleven
04:00 <PonyZx> Im sick x_x
04:00 <DashedRainbows> hey kook
04:01 * DashedRainbows licks Thelema5
04:01 <KooK> Hey DashedRainbows
04:01 * Thelema5 taskes like miso soup
04:01 <KooK> I don't know if I've ever seen any of his movies
04:01 <Thelema5> *tastes
04:01 <Thelema5> Oh! He has a very distictive style and narration
04:02 <Thelema5> Moonrise Kingdom is probably the best example of his common themes character types
04:05 <Thelema5> Heck, even just the opening title sequence from moonrise kingdom is a great example of his style
04:05 <Thelema5> !link https://youtu.be/jkv8ipgsmfU
04:05 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Moonrise Kingdom Intro FFM
04:05 <KooK> Well, that being said, did you enjoy it?
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04:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Adorable Scootaloo Short Animation [ http://tinyurl.com/y8h9x6qy ]
04:08 <Thelema5> KooK, it was fun. Unexpected.
04:08 <KooK> Should I go see it? :D
04:10 <Thelema5> You should watch one of his other movies first to see if you dig his work. Some people hate it.
04:11 <Thelema5> I would say yes, though, if you just want to jump right in
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04:13 <Thelema5> I'll definately watch it again, but there again I'm a great fan of his work
04:13 <KooK> I've seen previews for it everywhere and I'm thinking about just diving in and watching it :D
04:13 <KooK> You have another batch of cider going?
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04:14 <Thelema5> Not at the moment- I do most of my fermenting in Autumn- sets me up for the rest of the year
04:15 <Thelema5> I still have 40+ bottles of cider and mead I bottled in November
04:16 <KooK> brb, doggo needs to go outside for a minute
04:23 <KooK> woof
04:23 <KooK> I need some warmer weather in my life
04:23 <Thelema5> Same
04:24 <KooK> I'm boycotting snow, we're getting 2-3 inches tomorrow
04:24 <Thelema5> Yuck
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04:24 <KooK> Then two days later it's going to be in the 60s
04:25 <KooK> I remember when I was in Japan, Iowa got hit with a small blizzard that dumped probably 7-8 inches of snow, and then it was in the 80s the next week :D
04:26 <Thelema5> Gross. Sounds like a recipe for illness
04:32 * Filly_Nightmares curls up on KooK
04:32 <KooK> Iowa is pretty good at doing that stuff :D
04:33 <KooK> Hey Filly_Nightmares!
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04:33 <KooK> Aw, sorry to hear that
04:34 <Thelema5> The theater I went to today is really great, it's a not-for-profit theater run by volunteers using membership fees to drive revenue to buy films, they only have two theaters and seat fewer than 200 people total... I go there pretty frequently and will probably get a membership... the best thing about them (aside from them curating great content) is their costs...
04:34 <Thelema5> Tickets are $6, and concessions are very reasonable... got a large popcorn and two sodas for %8
04:34 <Thelema5> $8
04:35 <Thelema5> I think $8 might get you a medium drink at the nearest mega-plex
04:36 * Thelema5 swaddles Filly_Nightmares in a comfy blanket
04:37 <Thelema5> Heh, I'm looking at membership levels- the most expensive option is Mogul $1000 � Free admission for 2 for the year to any show, free concessions for 2 for the year, 4 Upstate Goodies* plus a hand-crafted artist�s pin, bring 2 guests at member price to any show (for a total of four people), phone reservations for 4
04:37 <Thelema5> "free concessions for 2 for the year)
04:37 <Thelema5> That's.... I mean... anything? I'll take 20 premium local handcrafted chocolate bars?
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04:41 <Filly_Nightmares> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjYKhD-yIuk&ab_channel=GameMusic321
04:41 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
04:41 <Filly_Nightmares> o4o
04:41 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about FTL Advanced Edition Soundtrack: Lanius (Explore)
04:42 <Filly_Nightmares> o6o
04:44 <Thelema5> I like this
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04:58 <Filly_Nightmares> Thelema5, check out the rest of the FTL soundtrack!
04:58 <Filly_Nightmares> o3o
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05:53 <Heartbreak> Boy, the FiM Fiction discord is... uptight..
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06:30 <Starwatcher-> sooo cute
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18:38 <PinkieShy> How about that Dark Fluttershy?
18:38 <PinkieShy> She was rocking that eyeshadow
18:40 <Ali> You mean Gothshy
18:46 <PinkieShy> Yea
19:09 <Cepheid> Sweet geebus. I don't know what was in that medicine but I slept 15 hours.
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19:37 <Cepheid> I need to have a chat with my mother. In five hours time she tried to call me eight times.
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19:53 <Cepheid> How is everyone today?
19:53 <Ali> Ok, still learning the ways of Factorio
19:56 <Cepheid> How is that going?
19:57 <Cepheid> Okay dude in the car outside my house. You are being so incredibly obvious that you are a drug dealer.
19:58 <Ali> Ok at times. Just I'm so unorganized
19:59 <Cepheid> Welcome to being an average Factorio player.
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20:00 <Ali> And why do I always get crappy stone spawns
20:01 <Cepheid> The game is biased to create smaller stone patches than other ores.
20:01 <Cepheid> If you want to improve it, adjust the new game settings. Make stone have a larger size and richness.
20:03 <RazorSharpFang> I have way too much stone than I have uses for.
20:04 <Ali> Well early on its needed for furnaces
20:04 <Ali> Then walls and steel furnaces
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20:05 <Ali> I have a 26k patch being the closest but that's still a jog away from the rest of the resources
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20:08 <Cepheid> The early patch yeah, will be pretty poor. Better ones tend to be further out. The game uses either an exponential or multiplicative growth algorithm as the distance between the start and further locations are generated. I forget which approach is used.
20:09 <Cepheid> As for generation: Frequency increases the frequency of the wave functions used. Increasing it results in smaller patches, but more patches. Decreasing it results in larger patches, but fewer patches.
20:09 <Cepheid> Size increases the height of the wave function. Larger size correlates to larger patches, and smaller size correlates to smaller patches.
20:09 <Cepheid> Richness is just a scaler for the ore patch itself. It scales the value up or down accordingly.
20:10 <Cepheid> This means if you want really rich, large fields of ore: Very Low Frequency, Very Large Size, Very High Richness.
20:11 <RazorSharpFang> I have been cursed with an ore patch that's mixed stone and copper.
20:13 <Cepheid> There's an easy way around it.
20:13 <Cepheid> To give some clarification, place a splitter, then left-click it.
20:14 <Cepheid> If you set an output priority to one of the two ores, the ore will go out that side. Anything else goes out the other side.
20:14 <RazorSharpFang> ... wow. I used a metric tonne of filter-inserters instead.
20:15 <Cepheid> Those work too, yes.
20:15 <Cepheid> Truth told, splitter filtering is "new"
20:15 <Cepheid> So it's probably not covered by the wiki among other things.
20:19 <Cepheid> Today's irritating challenge: Figure out why MINIX's clang won't link with the aio library I've written. It builds, it contains the associated functions, but it won't link.
20:21 <Cepheid> ... Oh. Because there's no symbols listed for some rea- WAIT WHAT?
20:23 <Cepheid> Also, there doesn't appear to be a shared library version of it either. Hmm.
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20:31 <Ali> Cepheid, was there a reason you don't use the lights?
20:32 <Cepheid> They generally aren't powerful enough for lighting stuff up I find. They're better off used as indicators.
20:32 <Cepheid> Which requires understanding of the wire network.
20:32 <Ali> And the other colored wires?
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20:35 <Cepheid> Those are used for said wire network.
20:36 <Cepheid> Essentially, the "network" I'm referencing allows you to send signals to various objects. If you click on such an object, you'll see a small UI window, and in the upper right corner, there should be a couple of buttons. One of them details what network it's connected to, and if it's connected, how it operates based on signals.
20:37 * Ali is very confuzzled.
20:38 <Ali> Does an automation 2 work faster than a 1?
20:38 <Cepheid> Yeah, if you mouse over anything that does crafting, you'll see a "Crafting Speed"
20:38 <Cepheid> 1 is the base speed, the player has 1 crafting speed.
20:38 <Cepheid> Assembler 1 is 0.5, Assembler 2 is 0.75
20:39 <Cepheid> That means Assembler 1 takes twice as long to craft an item as a player. Assembler 2 takes 33% more time.
20:41 <Cepheid> Assembler 3 is actually *FASTER* than the player, at 1.25
20:43 <Ali> Heh. Too bad you're busy with your project. I need to learn more about streamlining. This place is a mess.
20:43 <Ali> That's more important than a silly game.
20:44 <RazorSharpFang> Cepheid, how do you destroy blueprint books? I have this blueprint book in my inventory that I can't get rid of. right-clicking it does nothing.
20:45 <Cepheid> The only way I've found to destroy stuff is to put it in a wooden box, and then shoot the box.
20:45 <Cepheid> When the box is destroyed, it's contents go with it.
20:45 <RazorSharpFang> I can't move the blueprint in the box.
20:45 <RazorSharpFang> It's not movable.
20:45 <Cepheid> ...?
20:45 <Cepheid> You should be able to put blueprints in a box.
20:45 <Cepheid> Even books.
20:45 <RazorSharpFang> I can't drop it, I can't right-click it, I can't move it to the box.
20:46 <Cepheid> Is your inventory full?
20:46 <Cepheid> Or rather..
20:46 <RazorSharpFang> No, it's very empty.
20:46 <Cepheid> Show me a screenshot of what you're holding.
20:46 <Cepheid> Or the blueprint in question.
20:48 <RazorSharpFang> https://i.imgur.com/KR03BLL.png - it's like a ghost blueprint. (Not the one with the smelter)
20:48 <Cepheid> ... o.O
20:49 <RazorSharpFang> Middle-clicking it made it vanish into nothing. That wasn't on the tool-tip.
20:49 <Cepheid> Oh.
20:50 <Cepheid> According to the wiki you can also destroy blueprint books by using the red trash button on the blueprint UI.
20:51 <RazorSharpFang> I had clicked that prior - that's what made it a ghost.
20:51 <Cepheid> Ah.
20:51 <Cepheid> Let me check something right quick.
20:52 <Cepheid> Strange. Clicking the button didn't make it ghost-like to me.
20:53 <Cepheid> Oh, wait, there it goes.
20:53 <Cepheid> OH!
20:53 <Cepheid> Middle-clicking basically causes that slot to act as a filter.
20:54 <RazorSharpFang> Oh.
20:54 <Cepheid> If there's an item in the slot that's middle-clicked, whenever any new items are created, and you don't have a pre-existing stack, it forces the item to go to that slot.
20:54 <Cepheid> You likely middle-clicked the slot at some point by mistake. The blue background indicates the filter is set.
20:55 <RazorSharpFang> Might be nice to have a tooltip say "This is a filter. Middle-click to remove"
20:57 <Cepheid> It might be, yeah. I'd push it onto the suggestions forum.
20:58 * Cepheid gets back to coding.
20:59 <Cepheid> Got a blocker of a problem.
20:59 <Cepheid> I'm writing syscalls, fine and dandy.
20:59 <Cepheid> Except this particular syscall relies on mthreads/pthreads. And it *NEEDS* to use them within the calling process address space. I can't create a thread from outside the calling process.
21:00 <Cepheid> Problem is, when I try to use mthreads/pthreads in libc, it doesn't link properly against mthreads/pthreads. And likewise, if I make the AIO syscalls a separate library, for whatever reason the linker can't find the calls in the resulting library.
21:02 * Cepheid sighs. There has to be a solution. Always is. Always will be.
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21:21 <Cepheid> Hmm.
21:23 <RazorSharpFang> The mysteries of low-level.
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21:25 <RazorSharpFang> I've finally made my own blueprint.
21:25 <RazorSharpFang> Or, rather, found a use for blueprints.
21:25 <Schism> There...
21:26 <Cepheid> Blueprints are fun, yes.
21:26 <Cepheid> Use 'em with a personal roboport, or any roboport for real fun.
21:26 * Schism offers RazorSharpFang a breakfast sandwich made of English muffins, roast turkey, an egg, some spinach, lots of butter, and honey mustard.
21:27 <RazorSharpFang> That's actually real apt, cos it's 5:30 AM. I should be waking up now, instead of having been awake for way too long.
21:27 <Ali> I'm gonna keep stalling out when it gets to mid green teir
21:27 <Schism> I do know you're in .au, yes. X3
21:27 <RazorSharpFang> I don't act like I am tho
21:30 * Schism considers making cookies tonight. Oatmeal raisin chocolate chip cookies.
21:30 * Ali hopes the snow today doesn't come.
21:31 <Schism> High of 4 tomorrow... 5 on Tuesday, 7 on Wednesday, and then 14 and 15 on Thurs and Fri. Maybe.
21:31 <RazorSharpFang> Man, my evolution factor is now 72%
21:31 <Ali> What's evolution factor?
21:31 <ADragonDreaming> A measure of how ticked off the aliens are at you
21:31 <ADragonDreaming> indicating the strength of the alien creatures that will assault you.
21:31 <Schism> Better start dropping that pollution. o.o
21:32 <Schism> Not that it'll help that much.
21:32 <Ali> Its only 4C here right now
21:32 <Ali> Snow tonight is predicted T.T
21:34 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, at this point I just gotta deploy more turrets
21:34 * Vulpor walks in to the Four Horsemen theme
21:37 * Cepheid has music blaring so loud his desk is vibrating. o3o
21:39 <RazorSharpFang> "Don't deafen yourself" "Can't hear you"
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21:39 <Schism> "Fast, cheap, good. Pick any two. Most days, in the Wasteland, pick any one."
21:39 <Vulpor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq_GDQj53IQ&t=41s
21:39 <Vulpor> For those curious
21:40 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang: I have suffered more damage from infections than from music.
21:40 <RazorSharpFang> In that case, blast away.
21:42 <Cepheid> Time to do an hour-long build.
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21:53 <RazorSharpFang> The patterns formed by huge sectors of my base being disconnected from power with the flashing yellow triangle is pretty neat.
21:57 * Cepheid plays a bit of factorio while waiting for build. Not much else he can do right now.
21:57 * Ali would offer to play with Cepheid but only an hour isn't much time
21:58 <RazorSharpFang> Stop polluting, and suddenly all the attacks stop. Wowie.
21:58 <Cepheid> I'm also working on my Lazy Person run.
21:58 * Schism considers setting up more refineries for stone.
21:58 <Schism> Or I could start poking at slag...
21:58 <Ali> I need to have another run from the start with assitance so I'm making sure I'm doing things right..
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22:03 <Schism> Ali: No matter what, after a few steps forward, you're going to have to tear stuff down and start over anyway...
22:03 <Ali> ??
22:03 <Schism> Well, not 'start over', but most bases tend to turn into spaghetti unless they're revamped at various intervals.
22:04 <Cepheid> The world feels "wobly" to me right now.
22:06 <RazorSharpFang> Schism, I've been doing "revamping" for days now.
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22:08 <Ali> The one thing that confuses me is the arms or whatever they're called don't place stuff on both sides of a belt but will take from both sides.
22:11 <RazorSharpFang> It's useful, as it lets you put two different kinds of items on the same belt.
22:11 <RazorSharpFang> But it does take a while to get used to.
22:11 <Ali> That part yet I understand
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22:11 <Ali> But if you want say iron plates on 2 sides of a belt, you need furnaces on both sides of the belt and place the items on that.
22:12 <Cepheid> Revamping is an endless thing.
22:12 <RazorSharpFang> Or, you could use a set of splitters/whatever.
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22:12 <Ali> Hopefully Cepheid can help me more when he's finished with his project.
22:12 <Cepheid> Ali, there's a simple way to fix that using one-sided stuff.
22:13 <Cepheid> Take a splitter. Place it along a belt path with one end sticking out AWAY from the belt side that has all the items.
22:13 <Cepheid> Then simply place a belt in front of the other side of the splitter, directed towards the belt line.
22:13 <Cepheid> https://wiki.factorio.com/File:Transport_belts_balance1.gif Like this.
22:14 <RazorSharpFang> I really go through so many inserters.
22:14 <Schism> And soon you'll be upgrading them all to Express inserters!
22:15 <Cepheid> That's Bob's Mods, Schism. You're thinking of stack inserters or fast inserters.
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22:15 <RazorSharpFang> I was hoping a stack inserter would move 50+ items at once, but it doesn't.
22:15 <Cepheid> Nah, it moves upwards of 10 to 14 or so at once.
22:15 <Cepheid> But it has to collect them all first.
22:15 <RazorSharpFang> That's easy from a chest.
22:16 <Cepheid> There's actually an item that exists in the game that's not accessible that allows for what you want, I presume. Loading lots of items into a box rapidly.
22:16 <Cepheid> They're called, appropriately, loaders.
22:16 <Cepheid> They connect to belts, and simply move whatever enters them into the container they're facing.
22:16 * Filly_Nightmares kneads Cepheid
22:16 * Filly_Nightmares wishes that Source Engine map loading was smoother
22:17 <Cepheid> Anyways, build is done.
22:17 <Cepheid> Hum, it was 30 minutes, not 60.
22:18 <Cepheid> Officially, the loaders exist in the game as far as I know, but are inaccessible.
22:19 <Cepheid> They're basically debug items.
22:20 <RazorSharpFang> I'm out of copper now. Going to need to clear and set up turrets around the copper vein.
22:21 <RazorSharpFang> 4.7 million is a lot of copper.
22:23 <RazorSharpFang> I just wish there was a faster way to mass-obtain items/structures you put on the ground.
22:24 <Cepheid> I had another weird dream last night. It strangely involved a cat/catgirl that could shapeshift between a cat and humanoid form, more or less. That said, the most interesting part to me wasn't the nature of the cat, but rather it's fur colour. Deep crimson red, for some reason.
22:24 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang: What do you mean?
22:24 <RazorSharpFang> Like, holding down RMB to take things you've placed.
22:24 <RazorSharpFang> It's slow.
22:24 <Cepheid> Got access to power armour and blue circuits?
22:24 * Filly_Nightmares rubs RazorSharpFang's teef
22:25 <RazorSharpFang> Yes.
22:26 <Cepheid> Make power armour if you haven't done so yet. Then make a portable fusion reactor if you can(It uses blue circuits, hence why I asked). Folow up with a portable roboport of any type, and a collection of construction robots.
22:26 <Cepheid> Then press B to open your blueprint menu, make a deconstruction planner.
22:26 <Cepheid> Apply the deconstruction planner to whatever buildings and such you want to get rid of.
22:26 <RazorSharpFang> I have power armor, a portable fusion reactor already. What's this about roboports?
22:26 <Cepheid> You haven't unlocked robots yet?
22:27 <RazorSharpFang> I'm working on power armor MK2, which I've unlocked and gathering the materials to build.
22:27 <Schism> yes... continue, Architecture I. Continue on.
22:28 <Cepheid> Work on researching robots and personal roboports. They appear under the combat list.
22:28 <Cepheid> Trust me on this.
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22:29 <RazorSharpFang> I can unlock combat robots. Is that the right one?
22:29 <Cepheid> Let's see, to get roboports..
22:29 <Cepheid> You need Construction Robots.
22:30 <Cepheid> Which itself requires flight and Robotics.
22:30 <Cepheid> Personal Roboport also requires portable solar panels.
22:30 <Cepheid> Which you *SHOULD* have access to.
22:30 <RazorSharpFang> Oh I've already researched personal roboport.
22:31 <Cepheid> Then build one and slam it into some power armour with a fusion reactor.
22:31 <Cepheid> And grab a stack of construction robots.
22:31 <RazorSharpFang> I'm out of steel/iron.
22:31 <RazorSharpFang> That's strange, my train should be delivering it...
22:32 <RazorSharpFang> "No path" - there's a hole in the tracks.
22:32 <Ali> Probably Nids ate a track
22:32 <Cepheid> They don't normally attack railways.
22:32 <RazorSharpFang> Ah, I'd have to give up either an exoskeleton, or a shield...
22:32 <Cepheid> In fact, belts, power lines and rails tend to mostly be ignored except under extreme situations.
22:33 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang: I advise you do this, trust me. It makes construction and deconstruction MUCH faster.
22:35 <RazorSharpFang> It just sits there. How do you use it?
22:35 <Cepheid> Hmm?
22:35 <Cepheid> Use the roboport?
22:35 <Cepheid> You know how you can place ghosts, or use blueprints?
22:35 <RazorSharpFang> No, the robot.
22:36 <Cepheid> Oh, yeah, it just sits in your inventory until it is needed.
22:36 <Cepheid> To do that, either place a ghost of an item you have, or use a deconstruction planner on an item you want deconstructed.
22:36 <Cepheid> They do have a limited range though.
22:36 <RazorSharpFang> They're also pretty slow moving
22:37 <Cepheid> You need to upgrade their speed, yes.
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22:38 <Cepheid> At maximum speed, they can construct entire blueprints in seconds.
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22:39 * Heartbreak gaaaaaaaaaaaasp!
22:39 <RazorSharpFang> It's like the aim is to be as lazy as possible.
22:39 <Cepheid> That is kind of the point after a while, yes. Be as lazy as possible and launch a rocket while being lazy.
22:40 * PinkieShy hands Cepheid a blueberry scented candle
22:42 * Cepheid has once again triumped through the power of TRIAL AND ERROR!
22:42 <RazorSharpFang> Is there nothing that an iterative approach can't handle?
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22:43 <Cepheid> NP-hard problems.
22:43 <Schism> Need more wood pellet factories. Guh.
22:43 <RazorSharpFang> Cepheid, Developing an AI to solve it counts as an iterative approach.
22:43 <Cepheid> That's not the issue.
22:44 <Cepheid> NP-hard problems are problems that would take even computers an uncountable number of years to solve.
22:44 <RazorSharpFang> Also, what's an example of a NP-hard problem?
22:44 <RazorSharpFang> The haulting problem?
22:44 *** Pony|79817 is now known as ThatAnonPony
22:44 <Cepheid> That's an example of one, yes. It's basically applicable to any problem that has no known algorithm to solve it, or, if there is an algorithm, it's runtime is factorial.
22:46 <Cepheid> Schism: So, Idea Factory names their stories "Iffy's Online Stores" right? Well, apparently all the support employees that answer questions regarding orders and such also sign e-mails with "Iffy's Assistant." Apparently Idea Factory takes roleplaying a bit much even for their stories.
22:46 <Cepheid> Er, stores*
22:46 <Schism> Huh. And heh. XD
22:46 * ThatAnonPony noms on Schism in greeting.
22:47 <Cepheid> ...
22:47 * Schism provides sofapone with some oatmeal cookies. Also, flops.
22:47 <Cepheid> Why Montreal? Why go from Los Angeles to Montreal, then to Ottawa? Why not Los Angeles to Toronto, then from there to Ottawa?
22:47 <Cepheid> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subset_sum_problem RazorSharpFang, an example of an NP-hard problem.
22:49 <RazorSharpFang> That's quite different to the type of problem I was expecting.
22:49 <Schism> RSF: And if I leave my goat with the lion, he'll get eaten.
22:50 <Cepheid> A simpler way to put it is any type of problem that has exponential growth or factorial growth.
22:50 <Cepheid> Factorial growth is really fun. Since it grows quickly. 1! = 1, 2! = 2, 3! = 6, 4! = 24, 5! = 120, and so on.
22:50 <Cepheid> Basically, once N hits a certain point, the amount of computing time is estimated to be beyond the lifespan of the universe.
22:51 * ThatAnonPony boops Cepheid with quantum computing.
22:51 <Cepheid> There are... solutions to the problems, but they involve a form of computer that is only- Yeah.
22:51 <Cepheid> Quantum computing can solve some NP-hard problems.
22:51 <Cepheid> That said, quantum computers aren't very good at some algorithms that conventional computers are good at.
22:51 <Cepheid> So quantum computers aren't a be-all-end-all solution to computing problems.
22:51 <ThatAnonPony> They're good at databases only, aren't they?
22:52 <Cepheid> I'm not sure. I haven't really explored what they are useful for. I only know how qubits work, and that they work great on some algorithms, and not so great on others.
22:53 <Cepheid> They're like conventional computers that we are familiar with, in that some algorithms work great on them, but others not so great.
22:53 <Cepheid> And the irony is that some of the algorithms that work great on conventional computers, many of which we use today, run like garbage on quantum computers.
22:53 <Cepheid> So, as stated, not a perfect solution.
22:54 <Cepheid> If anything, we'll likely need a hybrid machine for the absolute best setup.
22:54 <RazorSharpFang> Do the construction robots stack?
22:54 <Cepheid> In what sense? Inventory?
22:54 <Cepheid> They stack up to 50 units in an inventory.
22:54 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, in the same inventory position.
22:55 <Cepheid> Yeah, 50 robots per stack.
22:55 <RazorSharpFang> I have 3 out so far, is there a cap on that?
22:55 <Cepheid> Roboports limit how many you can use at once.
22:55 <Cepheid> But you can increase that limit.
22:55 <Cepheid> Just put multiple roboports in your armour. The number of robots usable stacks, and the area of effect increases.
22:55 <Cepheid> As well as the number of charging ports.
22:56 <RazorSharpFang> Hey, there's an achivement for automated construction.
22:57 <Cepheid> Yeah.
22:57 <Cepheid> By the way, you can set up a deconstruction planner to filter trees and rocks only.
22:57 * Heartbreak noogies RazorSharpFang.
22:57 <Cepheid> It allows you to do mass-deforesting.
22:57 * ThatAnonPony boops Heartbreak.
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22:57 <RazorSharpFang> Cepheid, Eh, I just chuck grenades - they one-shot trees.
22:57 <Schism> Mmmm, warehouses.
22:58 <Heartbreak> ThatAnonPony! You are now a mare.
22:58 <Cepheid> They work too, yes.
22:58 <Cepheid> As do nukes launched from a rocket launcher.
22:58 <Cepheid> Careful though, that'll probably kill you.
22:58 <RazorSharpFang> Wood doesn't seem to have the uses that iron has.
22:58 <Heartbreak> And so is Schism.
22:58 <Cepheid> Nah.
22:58 * ThatAnonPony boops Heartbreak again.
22:58 <Cepheid> However, some mods fix that. Bob's set makes wood a hefty requirement.
22:58 <Heartbreak> ThatAnonPony: You're still a mare.
22:58 <Cepheid> To the point where you have a bio industry system for growing more wood.
23:00 <Schism> Angel's has some pretty useful stuff.
23:00 <Cepheid> I can't get Angel's to work right.
23:01 <Cepheid> All the descriptions for items have the __#__ placeholders in them for some reason, and I can't get rid of it.
23:06 <RazorSharpFang> I'm just gonna head straight to the limit of robots, they're amazing.
23:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Curriculum / Assistant / Origin 2 / Lonely 2:113 / Door 3 / Fiery Love 1-2 / It Feeds 14 / Empty Halls 9 [ http://tinyurl.com/y8zyzbkn ]
23:07 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang: Some people have been able to use bots exclusively, ignoring belts altogether. Requires a lot of work, though.
23:10 <RazorSharpFang> Is the bot-limit on a per-roboport basis?
23:11 <RazorSharpFang> "100 objects are missing for construction" - lol
23:13 <Cepheid> Yeah, if you overdo it, the game will tell you that you need more bots.
23:13 <Cepheid> As for a bot limit, no limit on built roboports.
23:13 <Cepheid> However, personal roboports have a limit.
23:13 <Cepheid> You could have a logistic robot network with over 3000+ robots.
23:15 <Cepheid> Really, the limiting factor if anything, is that after a while, your bots will queue up at a roboport to charge. During that wait, they won't do anything, and a single roboport can only charge 4 bots at a time.
23:16 <Cepheid> And your power generation, as well. Roboports constantly charging bots drain a LOT of electricity.
23:16 <RazorSharpFang> Up to 3.5 MW?
23:18 <RazorSharpFang> And how does deconstruction work?
23:22 <Cepheid> Depends on the situation. If logistics storage exists, and you deconstruct stuff outside of the range of your personal roboport, but in the range of a standard roboport, that stuff will go to the logistics storage.
23:23 <Cepheid> If you deconstruct stuff within your personal roboport, the game prioritizes your personal roboport bots, so those bots will deliver what they pick up straight to you. IF you deconstruct more than your bots can do in a single trip, the rest will be taken up by logistics network bots, if they can reach it.
23:23 <Cepheid> So some will go into your inventory, some to logistics storage.
23:23 <Cepheid> It's confusing.
23:24 <Cepheid> Schism, I made a mistake. See, when I went to do groceries with my parents for my weekend to myself, I didn't get anything sweet to eat.
23:25 <Schism> Whurp. Guess it's time to get the milk out and make candy from it.
23:25 <Schism> Or make yourself some sugar cookies.
23:26 <Cepheid> I'd prefer not to, to be honest.
23:27 <Schism> Oatmeal raisin cookies?
23:28 <RazorSharpFang> Is it faster to run on a transport belt that's going in the same direction as you, or on a surface like concrete?
23:28 <Cepheid> I haven't actually checked.
23:28 <Cepheid> But I would assume the belt is faster, especially an express belt. The concrete and refined concrete only work so well with vehicles.
23:29 <RazorSharpFang> Oh, so your car works better on concrete?
23:29 <Cepheid> Cars and tanks move faster on stone path, concrete and refined concrete.
23:29 <Cepheid> But there is a limit imposed that's lower than the runspeed increase for the player.
23:30 <Cepheid> Something like 120%. A belt moving in a given direction is probably better for tanks and cars.
23:30 <Cepheid> But then you'd have to make it wide, so the vehicle can stay on the belt.
23:30 <Cepheid> You can also use better fuel sources to increase their speed. Nuclear fuel(Made from Rocket Fuel + Uranium) offers the best speed increase and acceleration increase.
23:30 <Ali> Or drive like a crazy pony!
23:30 * Schism quits for now. "Ugh. Need Fluid Connections to make factories at all helpful in this."
23:33 <Cepheid> Trust me, Ali, you're not that bad.
23:33 <Cepheid> Rifty has legitimately killed me with his tank on a few occasions.
23:34 <Ali> But that's a tank, not a car
23:34 <Cepheid> It moves slower.
23:34 <Cepheid> He also hits me dead-on full speed.
23:34 <Ali> Snerk
23:34 <RazorSharpFang> I find it hilarious how if you run into one of your structures with a car, the bots will repair the car and the structure so you don't have to leave the car.
23:34 * Ali bonks into everything!
23:35 <Cepheid> Yeah, bots works even in cars.
23:35 <Cepheid> It's great if you go out killing with the tank.
23:35 <Cepheid> o/` No no, I said steamed hams. That's what I call hamburgers. o/`
23:35 <Ali> Cepheid, I hope we can resume sometime soon when your project is over.
23:35 <Ali> What is this steamed hams meme?
23:35 <Cepheid> Yeah, I should be much better after I demo it off to the professor directly.
23:36 <Cepheid> It's a skit from the Simpson that's just ludicrous, hold on. I'll get the original.
23:36 <Schism> Ali: It's all about covering up one mistake with more and more...
23:37 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkX3dO6KN54
23:37 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
23:37 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Steamed Hams but it's in HD and 60 fps
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23:37 <RazorSharpFang> The lie grows.
23:37 <RazorSharpFang> The hydra regrows and 2 heads sprung from where the first was cut.
23:37 <Cepheid> Apparently it is the fandom's absolute favourite skit.
23:40 <Cepheid> And yet you call them steamed hams despite the fact that they are OBVIOUSLY grilled.
23:40 <RazorSharpFang> A better liar would have been able to play that one off.
23:40 <Schism> My favourite skit has to be the Shinning, but to each their own.
23:41 <RazorSharpFang> "Yes, I suppose I have not been faithful to the original recipe. I should have been more authentic for the occasion."
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23:41 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC95SICM2c4
23:41 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
23:41 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Steamed Hams But Posh \u0026 Elegantly Spoken
23:41 <Cepheid> This seems like how me and Schism would do the skit.
23:41 <RazorSharpFang> \u0026 huh?
23:42 <Cepheid> For whatever reason, the name uses a unicode version of &.
23:42 <Cepheid> Oh, wait, I know why.
23:42 <Cepheid> HTML treats & as a special character.
23:42 <RazorSharpFang> I'm surprised it wasn't `&`
23:43 <Cepheid> I believe that has been deprecated in later versions of HTML.
23:43 <RazorSharpFang> I swear everything I love gets deprecated.
23:43 <Cepheid> Yeah, it can be a bit annoying.
23:43 * Cepheid deprecates RazorSharpFang's fang and replaces it with an incisor.
23:44 <Schism> Thankfully, IRC will always be relevant.
23:44 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fvTxv46ano And now, a blast from the past.
23:44 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about All Your Base Are Belong To Us (Original)
23:44 <Schism> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ljsPqIfPD0
23:44 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Yatta! Irrational Exuberance
23:44 <Cepheid> Oh gods.
23:45 <Cepheid> I haven't heard that song in *AGES*.
23:45 <Ali> And its best that it stays ded
23:45 <Schism> Oh, come on, it was fantastic.
23:45 <Ali> Or we'll have to have Gothshy come and entertain you.
23:47 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q Meanwhile, something saner.
23:47 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Wintergatan - Marble Machine (music instrument using 2000 marbles)
23:47 <Cepheid> Sort of.
23:47 <Cepheid> Kind of. Maybe not.
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