Log archive of EquestriaDaily for Wednesday, 2018-04-25

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00:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Poll Results: You've arrived in Equestria! However, you can't transform into a pony. Which other race would you choose to be? [ http://tinyurl.com/y9bh5n2w ]

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01:04 <RazorSharpFang> Heyas everyone

01:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Fluttershy Day Reminder - April 27th Deadline!  [ http://tinyurl.com/y7j8hm8z ]

01:08 <Starlight_Glimmer> Can someone got to sleep for me? That's how that works, right?

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01:28 <Cepheid> Worst exam ever.  I am going to bed.

01:30 <PinkieShy> I saw a turtle today on the road in my neighborhood.. It hought of tank XD

01:37 <RazorSharpFang> Night, Cepheid

01:39 <Cepheid> I am in bed now.

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01:45 <Cepheid> Functional languages.  Can't stand em.  Give me imperative or object-oriented please.

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01:47 * Ali gives Cepheid some biters to beat up

01:48 <Cepheid> Too tired to game.   Otherwise I would burn many a biter.

01:49 <RazorSharpFang> F#?

01:51 <Cepheid> Interesting.  I will have to toy with it sometime over the summer.

01:51 <RazorSharpFang> No, I mean F# is a functional language.

01:51 <RazorSharpFang> Is that the language you were talking about?

01:56 <Cepheid> Nah.

01:56 <Cepheid> Prolog, Scheme.

01:57 <RazorSharpFang> Can't say I've heard of those...

01:57 <RazorSharpFang> What... functional... utility do they have? :P

01:57 <Cepheid> Scheme is a variant of LISP.  Prolog is a language that works with predicate logic.

01:59 <Cepheid> As for functional utility?  LISP fanatics will hate me for this, but none whatsoever.  The prof even admitted to it.  Knowing either won't help get us a job.

02:01 <RazorSharpFang> Hmm.

02:01 <RazorSharpFang> Makes you wonder why they put it in the course.

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02:02 <Cepheid> Functionally their usefulness is in showing how certain high-level languages work under the hood so to speak.

02:03 <RazorSharpFang> I still need to work out how trains with signals work, and if I could even make use of that.

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02:04 <Cepheid> Basically the key details to get out of the course is procedural execution environments(stack frames), and how evaluation typically works.  A also scoping.

02:05 <RazorSharpFang> That sounds like you could do all that in C/C++

02:05 <RazorSharpFang> Or maybe C# for an example environment (.NET)

02:06 <RazorSharpFang> Aw, efficiency modules don't affect drain.

02:06 <Cepheid> They don't, no.

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02:06 <Cepheid> As for signals, they are a bit tricky.  Gimme a moment.

02:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1420 [ http://tinyurl.com/yb5lnc4n ]

02:08 <Cepheid> It's easier for me to type on a laptop than a tablet.  Anyhow..

02:09 <Cepheid> Signals are actually straightforward.  Their complexity comes at junction points.

02:09 <Cepheid> When you place a signal, you create a "block" on the rail.  This block covers everything beyond the signal, including any rails that branch off.

02:09 <Cepheid> If a train enters this block, the signal turns red, preventing further trains from entering the block.

02:10 <RazorSharpFang> What does beyond even mean? My rail is a loop thingy.

02:10 <RazorSharpFang> Well, trains go both ways on a single rail.

02:10 <Cepheid> Exactly what it means.  Anything beyond the signal.  Which means if it loops back, it's not going to work.

02:10 <Cepheid> The entire loop just becomes a single block, as if there were no signals on it in the first place.

02:11 <RazorSharpFang> So I'd have to redesign my current network if I wanted multiple trains.

02:11 <Cepheid> You need to use more than one signal for the setup to be of any real use.

02:11 <Cepheid> If you're using a single rail going back and forth, yeah.

02:11 <RazorSharpFang> The whole game is "build, produce redesign" over and over.

02:11 <Cepheid> That's why in rail setups you'll usually see two parallel rails, one going one direction, the other going the opposite direction.

02:12 <Cepheid> And at the end, a loop that connects the two of them.

02:12 <Cepheid> To ensure trains go the right direction, you usually lay signals to indicate the flow of traffic.  Also to let multiple trains on the rail move around.

02:13 <RazorSharpFang> Are the trains smart enough that they won't collide if you want them to?

02:13 <Cepheid> Yes.

02:14 <Cepheid> They won't move if the rail block ahead of them has a train in it already.  Which basically means, without any signals, multiple trains on the same loop won't do anything.

02:15 <Cepheid> https://www.transporttycoon.net/rail Here's a more in-depth explanation of rails and signals.  It's for Transport Tycoon Deluxe, but much of the principles are the same.  The only thing to keep in mind is that in TTD, Chain Signals are called Pre-Signals.

02:16 <Cepheid> The only thing that doesn't really carry over are any junctions that involve height differences.

02:18 <Cepheid> Which basically means all but the Basic Three-Way Junction, Basic Four-Way Junction and Roundabout Junction are useless for junctions.

02:18 <RazorSharpFang> Is it possible for trains to collide if tracks intersect without a junction?

02:18 <RazorSharpFang> like an X

02:18 <Cepheid> Far as I know, no.  I have not managed to get trains to collide at all so far.

02:18 <Cepheid> Get them jammed up so they can't move?  Yes, collide?  No.

02:19 <RazorSharpFang> Lemme draw in paint.

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02:20 <Cepheid> I know what you're saying.  It's likely not possible.  The game has some interesting logic in place to ensure that trains will not collide.

02:20 <RazorSharpFang> https://i.imgur.com/uDOVVry.png - Boom or nah?

02:20 <Cepheid> Nah.

02:20 <RazorSharpFang> Dang it, I wanted boom.

02:21 <Cepheid> Trust me, I tried.  I've not been able to get it to happen, not automatically anyway.

02:21 <Cepheid> You could certainly park a train at the crossing point, then drive another train manually into it.

02:22 <Cepheid> But the way the automatic train system works in the game ensures that it won't happen more or less.

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02:23 <Cepheid> Basically, what happens is when either train wants to move to a specific destination automatically, it does path finding.  It also appears to check every single rail segment on the network to see if another train is on it.

02:24 <Cepheid> If there is, the train simply won't move.  This can cause two trains on a single loop to deadlock and refuse to move.  The way around this is to use signals.  Signals break up the train network into sections.  The game only scans so far as the segment that the train is currently in, and the segment ahead of it along it's planned path.

02:26 <RazorSharpFang> Maybe I'll just have multiple rail networks that are mutually exclusive. One rail network carries all resource types, and then another rail network for each resource type.

02:26 <RazorSharpFang> And they meet but don't touch.

02:27 <Cepheid> Best way to see it in action is to place a long straight section of rail, and place signals on the same side at set intervals.  Then place two or more locomotives on the rail, and tell them to try and go to a station at the far end.

02:27 <Cepheid> Then watch the colour of the signals as the locomotives move past them.

02:27 * Ali noms on Cepheid's u's

02:28 <Cepheid> Alternatively, if you're still awake when I wake up tomorrow, I can give you a quick demonstration on how to use signals.

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02:29 <RazorSharpFang> I just realised that under rampant the enemies' attacks deal splash damage, so they hit the first thing, and then all things within one unit of that thing.

02:29 <RazorSharpFang> So they were able to damage the turrets because they're too close to the wall.

02:30 <Cepheid> Yep.

02:30 <Cepheid> That said, even in normal mode..

02:30 <Cepheid> You want to keep your turrets one or two tiles away from the walls.

02:30 <RazorSharpFang> In normal mode, they just fire straight for the turret anyhow.

02:30 <RazorSharpFang> But the biters can bite through walls on Medium+

02:30 <Cepheid> Yeah.

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02:35 <RazorSharpFang> Well, at least I don't have to worry about trains catastrophically colliding.

02:36 <Cepheid> Pretty much.  Play with signals, send trains off into nowhere.  Fill 'em with absurd amounts of U-235.  They won't blow up or go boom or anything.

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02:38 <RazorSharpFang> My evolution factor's at 52% now.

02:38 <Cepheid> You'll be fiiiiiine.

02:38 * Cepheid looks at server, which is at 74% last he checked.

02:39 <RazorSharpFang> I gotta get me some power armor MK2.

02:39 <RazorSharpFang> Well, I am playing with Rampant on.

02:39 * Ali flails at Cepheid

02:41 <Cepheid> Ali, it's fine.  It's when it hits 95% that you should start freaking out.

02:43 <RazorSharpFang> I wish there was a way to automate the moving of a set of objects.

02:43 <RazorSharpFang> "Just take all of this stuff, move it 3 units south"

02:44 <Cepheid> And by then we'll have uranium ammo anyways, and laser turrets friggen everywhere.

02:44 <Ali> Or dead whichever comes first

02:44 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang:  Personal roboport or three.  Blueprint the design.  Use deconstruction planner on current layout.  Lay down blueprint three tiles south.

02:45 <Cepheid> Ali:  Truth told, behemoth biters aren't actually as bad as they sound.

02:45 <Cepheid> Now, if we were on Rampant, then yes.

02:45 <Cepheid> Yes, we'd be dead.

02:47 <RazorSharpFang> I honestly forgot how much resources go into research. It's almost all of it.

02:48 <Cepheid> Yep, and then after that the rest is all the rocket.

02:48 <Cepheid> Or rockets, if you are so inclined.

02:51 <RazorSharpFang> I'm just researching all available researches straight-ahead, until I set up the production of the next research type.

02:52 <Cepheid> That's usually what happens with me.

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02:55 <RazorSharpFang> I need to expand the bus (YET AGAIN) to add a line for sulfuric acid.

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02:55 <Ali> But that's a liquid

02:55 <RazorSharpFang> Right, but it's used for making Batteries - a component of high-level science packs.

02:56 <RazorSharpFang> I just expanded recently to add a line of lubricant too.

02:56 <RazorSharpFang> And you can't have the pipes too close, else they won't work.

02:56 <Cepheid> Ali:  Bus configurations in Factorio can include fluids, even if it doesn't make sense in the context of the word.

02:57 <RazorSharpFang> DANG IT, I just realised I need to include Stone Bricks as well. 2 new items to add.

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02:58 <Thelema5> Hello everypony

02:59 <Cepheid> Hello.  ANd good night.  I'm starting to get really, really tired and I need sleep.

02:59 <RazorSharpFang> Goodnight.

03:00 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang, if you see me tomorrow, remind me to give you a quick demonstration on trains and signals tomorrow.  Got plenty of room on the server to demonstrate.  Plus about 4 or 5 trains zooming about.

03:01 <RazorSharpFang> Alrighty.

03:03 <Thelema5> G'night

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03:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: BronyCon Welcomes Comic Artist Sara Richard [ http://tinyurl.com/ybk2e4gw ]

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03:17 <RazorSharpFang> Coal's only used for making Grenades in the production line it seems...

03:17 <RazorSharpFang> As well as plastic.

03:18 <Saerydoth> sheesh, how much slang today is South Park responsible for?

03:19 <Ali> Its iron forr grenades :P

03:19 <Saerydoth> derp, tree fiddy, and sad panda were all created by South Park

03:19 <RazorSharpFang> Iron and coal, whatever reason.

03:19 <RazorSharpFang> Well, Simpsons popularised "Meh"

03:19 <Ali> Plastic is also used on advanced circuts

03:20 <RazorSharpFang> Right, but I can't see coal being used for anything in research minus plastic and grenades.

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03:20 <Ali> Coal is used in several other things

03:20 <Ali> It is used in the refinery

03:21 <Ali> Coal is needed for both sulfur and plastic

03:21 <RazorSharpFang> Oil's already unlimited - how is Coal needed for Sulfur?

03:21 <Saerydoth> Fiber One bars are the best source of sulfur!

03:21 * Saerydoth being silly x_x

03:22 <Ali> Isn't it water/coal/petrol for sulfur?

03:22 <RazorSharpFang> It's just water and gas to make sulfur.

03:22 <Saerydoth> sulfur is very commonly found in organic compounds, protein in particular

03:23 <Saerydoth> all proteins are very high in sulfur

03:23 * Ali must have left the inserter there when her chem factory was making plastic there

04:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Low Effect PMV Compilation #191 [ http://tinyurl.com/yde9kkk3 ]

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04:22 <PinkieShy> Finally went over to my brother's house to check the lawn mower.

04:23 <PinkieShy> It wasn't working for him.. Not starting so i got a new spark plug for it and it started like instantly :P

04:23 <RazorSharpFang> Do you think it was the spark plug?

04:23 <PinkieShy> Well the old one had black stuff all over it.

04:28 <Thelema5> Sounds like the carburator mixture is off

04:30 <PinkieShy> Thelema5 well we had it 2 years now

04:32 <Thelema5> In my experience spark plug fouling is almost always caused by incomplete combustion

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04:35 <Thelema5> Adjust the fuel-air mixture (usually just a screw near the carb) and you can correct this

04:35 <RazorSharpFang> Mind you, the value of proper maintenance of machinery is probably lesser these days due to mass production.

04:35 * Schism makes sulfur. How? Well, when refining viscous mud water into heavy mud water, hydrogen sulfide is produced. By combining that with oxygen in a chemical plant, one then receives water and elemental sulfur.

04:35 <Thelema5> RazorSharpFang, this is true.  Some times it's cheaper to just buy a new unit than to repair an older one

04:38 <Thelema5> But in PinkieShy's case it's probably just a matter of turning a certain screw a bit

04:41 <Schism> Ali: Sure, you can use coal in Coal Liquefaction for some petroleum gas, light and heavy.  It's really inefficient...

04:41 * Schism looks at timestamps, and boops himself with a stopwatch.

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04:48 <RazorSharpFang> Mind you, oil is infinite. You'll run out of coal.

04:49 <RazorSharpFang> I'd actually like to do the reverse - take oil and turn it into coal.

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04:52 <RazorSharpFang> Some say that once we start depleting all the world's mines of iron, etc, then we'll have to start valuing maintenance and repair more, since manufacturing costs will increase.

04:53 <Schism> But... RSF, you can turn oil into coal, more or less.  https://wiki.factorio.com/Solid_fuel

04:54 <RazorSharpFang> I need coal SPECIFICALLY. For making Plastic and Grenades.

04:54 <Schism> Oh, yeah.  Good point.

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04:57 <RazorSharpFang> I'm chucking productivity modules on everything that can accept them that deals with limited resources, but it's really spiking my power usage.

04:58 <Schism> Mmm.  I find that for electric furnaces, it's grade-2 power modules all the way.

04:58 <RazorSharpFang> Efficiency modules.

04:58 <Schism> Er, yes.

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05:14 <RazorSharpFang> Thing is, is that you can add productivity modules at every step of production (less placable ones) and the productivity multiplies.

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06:27 <Finwe> Good morning, my small equines.

06:36 <Finwe> Messrs Schism, RazorSharpFang and Starlight_Glimmer.

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08:03 <RazorSharpFang> Today is my cleaning day.

08:04 <RazorSharpFang> I have cleaned the kitty tray, cleaned the bathroom, cleaned the lavatory, cleaned the shower, washed my car, cleaned my windows, cleaned my computer screens. It's been a productive day.

08:08 <Finwe> Yay!

08:08 * Finwe hugs a RazorSharpFang.

08:08 <RazorSharpFang> Cleaning days are important. I try to have them once a fortnight.

08:09 <Finwe> I will spend tomorrow at the university central hospital.

08:10 <Finwe> Hmm, lunchtiem, is it not?

08:10 * Finwe trots to the cafeteria.

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08:28 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.

08:35 <RazorSharpFang> Heya ConfusionRift. It's my cleaning day today, so I've cleaned everything today.

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08:35 <ConfusionRift> Nice. Clean is better than dirty. :P

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08:38 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> o3o

08:40 * ConfusionRift waves.

08:40 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Hoi.

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10:10 <RazorSharpFang> Actually, I've never done a lot of exploring in a Factorio world. Is there like, biomes and whatnot?

10:15 <ConfusionRift> Technically, not much in terms of that. Mostly just kind of a floor and forestation change.

10:16 <ConfusionRift> More grass and trees in the greener areas, less so in the deserts with more rocks, there being "hills" which are just more cliff formations, etc.

10:17 <ConfusionRift> But like tundras, absolute deserts, actual forests, hills, etc., no, not that I know of.\

10:18 <ConfusionRift> Maybe there's a mod for that.

10:18 <ConfusionRift> Hopefully future plans for that?

10:35 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift.

10:35 <Finwe> o7

10:36 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)

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10:53 <Cepheid> Before I go back to bed...  Rifty, check out the Alien Biomes mod.

10:53 <ConfusionRift> Will doooo. :P

10:59 <Finwe> PO Cepheid.

10:59 <Finwe> o7

11:00 <Finwe> Mr Pi.

11:00 * Finwe doffs his hat and hugs the Pi.

11:01 * Pi skippity hops and huggles Finwe

11:01 <Pi> Hellu!

11:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1193 [ http://tinyurl.com/ybn9wmao ]

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11:12 * Finwe clings to Pi.

11:12 <Finwe> I only get 100 Mbit/s over WiFi, how am I to cope?

11:12 <Finwe> D:

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11:16 <Pi> gib

11:16 <Pi> so you be rid the troubles!

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11:18 <Finwe> o3o

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13:58 <Cepheid> Morning.  I awaken.

13:59 <Tempest-Shadow> Heyo

14:00 <RazorSharpFang> I'm off to sleep Myself, Cepheid

14:00 <RazorSharpFang> Timezones yay

14:01 <Cepheid> Yay!

14:01 <Cepheid> Sleep well.

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14:16 <Koopz> does an individual need a freezer?

14:16 <Koopz> can i survive 2 years without one?...

14:18 <Koopz> will a fridge suffice? what do i even need to freeze? i don't have a grill nor a fryer

14:21 <Coco`> They make refrigerators without a freezer? Even little mini fridges have one..

14:21 <Koopz> i do have a little freezing box inside my fridge

14:22 <Koopz> it has space for exactly one lunch box sized object xD

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14:24 <Koopz> not being able to store pizza or ice has it's upsides...

14:32 <Coco`> It should have come with a tiny ice tray. Or maybe you can get one. I don't use ice very often but it's nice sometimes

14:51 <Cepheid> I feel sorry for spitfire.  He finds a box, claims it.  Then tizzy comes along, kicks him out and claims the box for herself.

14:53 <Cepheid> She has actually become a tad aggressive as of late.  She won't let him onto the window perch in the dining room.  Guess she decided it was time he learned she was the boss.

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15:20 <Cepheid> Huh.  Spitfire is almost 5 years old.

15:24 <Cepheid> And now he is trying to mount my arm.

15:24 * Filly_Nightmares jumps onto Cepheid head and nest

15:26 * Cepheid feeds the little nightmare a mango.

15:26 <Cepheid> ...  He put a hole in my pants that I just noticed now.  These pants are only four months old.

15:30 <Cepheid> And we have a woodpecker relentlessly banging its head against the framing of one of our many windows.

15:31 * Filly_Nightmares noms the mango

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15:55 <Cepheid> I am debating starting Etrian Odyssey 5 over again as it has been a while since I played it and forgot most of the story.

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16:04 * Cepheid decides to create a spreadsheet of the classes for channelgoers to pick their class out of.

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16:40 <Cepheid> This is taking longer than I thought. XD  But it's worth it.

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17:27 <Cepheid> Hey ADragonDreaming.

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17:47 * Ali snugs on Cepheid

17:48 <Cepheid> Hey Ali.

17:48 * Ali wavies and snugs on Cepheid

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17:56 <Cepheid> So, Etrian Odyssey 5.  I need at least four other people.  One is obviously going to be me.  The guild name is Misfits, which gives the general impression of how I expect party composition to end up.

17:56 <Cepheid> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18xIkDH04TctVjAopumDBqWDVsvI6xpOAS2os8zMOT4A/edit?usp=sharing Here's all the various races, classes, skills, voice settings, etc.  Pick a race, a class, and if you want, a general direction of skill.

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18:35 <Cepheid> Guess I'll pick random folks, and let them decide later if they want any chances.  I know I'm including Schism, myself, and ADragonDreaming.  Need at least two more.  Hmm.

18:40 * Cepheid drafts ConfusionRift, who's not here, and RazorSharpFang, also not here. He will pick their classes based on their names. Thus, ConfusionRift applies status ailments. RazorSharpFang is on the front line with a sword.

18:49 <Cepheid> That would place ConfusionRift as a Poisoner Botanist, and RazorSharpFang as a Masurao.  Problem is, I don't think I need two botanists on the team.  Schism would likely want to be the botanist, so..

18:56 <Tirek> Pugilist. Final answer.

18:57 <Cepheid> Okay, I'll place you in Rifty's position, then.

18:58 <Cepheid> Any particular direction you want me to go in?

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19:02 <Cepheid> I like that, Villianous voice.  "Ready, [bleep]!?"

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19:10 <Cepheid> Tirek the Pugilist.  Cepheid the Dragoon.  Razor the Musarao.  Schism the Botanist.  Dreamer the Warlock.  So begins the second journey and attempt of Misfits to climb the Yggdrasil tree.

19:12 <Cepheid> I'll assume from your silence Tirek that I have all authority to build Tirek however I want. :P

19:16 <RyuImperator> are you talking about a game?

19:17 <Cepheid> Yes.  Etrian Odyssey 5.

19:17 <Cepheid> If you want a party member named after you, I linked to a spreadsheet that contains race/class/skill info. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18xIkDH04TctVjAopumDBqWDVsvI6xpOAS2os8zMOT4A/edit?usp=sharing

19:17 <Cepheid> I can't guarantee I'll use you all the time, but I'll switch things up when I can. :P

19:19 <RyuImperator> which classes exists?

19:19 <Cepheid> That document I just listed contains details about which classes exist and what races they are limited to.

19:20 <Cepheid> At least, initially.  Later on I gain the ability to do a class change, and can switch any character to any class, regardless of race restrictions.

19:22 <Tirek> Yes, build him however you want, as long as he punches people in the face

19:23 <RyuImperator> RyuImperator the Rover :D

19:23 <Cepheid> Nine characters maximum for name.

19:24 <RyuImperator> Ryu I.

19:24 <Cepheid> Very well.

19:25 <RyuImperator> like Pom I can call cute dogs and little birds :D

19:31 <RyuImperator> well that remind me, to look if the linux version is released

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20:33 <Ali> Cepheid, what was the largest oil field you've found?

20:34 <Cepheid> 5,300% yield, thereabouts.  30 wells.  I have NO IDEA what the game was thinking when it generated that, as the average is around 1,350%.

20:34 <Ali> Darn, I see one that's 3.3k right now but its not fully revealed

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20:37 <Cepheid> That oil field of mine was found on my lazy run.

20:38 <Ali> Geez game, you can stop revealing oil now

20:38 <Ali> rounded up so far

20:38 <Ali> 700, 1300, 3400

20:57 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: (Updated) Equestria Girls - Overall Episode Guide of Shorts, Movies, Choose Your Own Adventure, and Music Videos [ http://tinyurl.com/ybg6rnr9 ]

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21:10 <TheNote21> Hi

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21:16 <TheNote21> would you rather have 25 million us dollars right now or know whats going to happen in 25 years from now but there's a 1% of you being able to change it

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21:48 <Cepheid> 25 million US dollars.  Donate 20 million to charity, help people right now.

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21:56 <Cepheid> Hey ADragonDreaming, I added you to my roster in Etrian Odyssey 5.  You're a Celestrian Warlock, our elemental damage dealer.  That fine with you?

22:00 <ADragonDreaming> A+

22:00 <ADragonDreaming> I will explode all the things.

22:03 <Cepheid> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18xIkDH04TctVjAopumDBqWDVsvI6xpOAS2os8zMOT4A/edit?usp=sharing Here's a spreadsheet of information, if you want to direct growth.  It contains the base classes, all their skills, the racial skills, and the general growth of each race.

22:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Horse Play - Behind the Scenes Animatic Released [ http://tinyurl.com/yaqbtvrt ]

22:20 <Cepheid> I have come tonthe conclusion that getting involved in any topic on social media, no matter how controversial, is just opening a can of violent, firebreathing worms.

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23:16 <Cepheid> I'll basically assume that you want your character to be leveled in all elemental magic, so as to ensure maximum murder, ADragonDreaming.

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23:32 <Razzaroo> 🌙

23:34 <Razzaroo> :P

23:34 <Cepheid> Morning.

23:35 <Razzaroo> おはよす

23:35 <Razzaroo> morning

23:36 <Cepheid> Heh.  Studying Japanese?  Or is it your native language?

23:36 <Razzaroo> studying

23:37 <Razzaroo> Theres a shorter way to say ohayou

23:37 <Razzaroo> Ohazas

23:37 <Razzaroo> or osu

23:37 <Cepheid> Yeah, there's also slang terminology as well.

23:37 <Razzaroo> yup

23:38 <Razzaroo> hehe im kinda a fan of a lot of things

23:38 <Razzaroo> i try to stay focused on one thing at a time tho

23:39 <Cepheid> I have a tendenc to multitask or switch around a lot.  I am a bit scatterbrained and lack focus.  Plan to talk to a psychiatrist about it, among other things.  I suspect medication, or lack of medication is at fault.

23:40 <Razzaroo> ah

23:40 <Razzaroo> i have a problem staying focused to

23:40 <Razzaroo> but i hate when people refer to me as autisic or such cause its a label

23:41 <Razzaroo> that normal people can use unless they have some type of degree

23:43 <Cepheid> No offense meant to people who suffer from legitimate autism, but autism is a catch-all term being used for any mental illness, disorder or problematic behaviour.  I'd probably be declared autistic if it weren't for the fact that depression and anxiety both have their own sections in the various medical journals on mental illness.

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23:45 <Razzaroo> Oh

23:45 <Razzaroo> I dont know but i want to get re evaluated soon

23:45 <Razzaroo> mental illness is something that isnt a joke

23:46 <Cepheid> I just know I suffer from extreme depression and extreme anxiety.  There's something else, but I haven't figured out what it is.

23:46 <Razzaroo> i don't think i am autistic but maybe depressed or ocd

23:46 <Cepheid> Last person to evaluate me thinks I may have borderline personality disorder alongside depression and anxiety.

23:47 <Cepheid> I take medication for the depression and anxiety, but it's not sufficient for all of my issues.

23:47 <Razzaroo> I know I've been labeled as adhd

23:47 <Razzaroo> or emotionally disturbed

23:48 <Razzaroo> i am prone to be more emotional than most but being hyper active no...

23:48 <Razzaroo> im lazy if anything

23:50 <Razzaroo> Cephid what is borderline personality disorder

23:50 <Razzaroo> Cephied

23:51 <Cepheid> Off hand, I can't recall.  What I can say is that what happens is that I occasionally become obsessed with getting perfect marks under various pretenses, particularly classes surrounding mathematics.

23:51 <Razzaroo> Ok

23:52 <Razzaroo> So perfectionism

23:52 <Razzaroo> ocs

23:52 <Cepheid> More or less.

23:52 <Cepheid> Whatever it is, it runs in the family.  My sister is much the same way.

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23:52 <Razzaroo> Do you get anxious when something isn't just ao

23:52 <Razzaroo> *so

23:53 <Cepheid> How do you mean?

23:53 <Razzaroo> Like keeping track of everything you do

23:53 <Razzaroo> or if you dont you'll feel bad about it

23:53 <Cepheid> Not really, no.

23:53 <Razzaroo> Oh thats ocd

23:54 <Cepheid> And I'm thankful for that.

23:54 <Cepheid> I have terrible short-term memory.

23:54 <Razzaroo> Or like trying to hard to impress certain folks

23:54 <Cepheid> I can't remember to do something 30 seconds later after I've been told to do it.

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23:55 <Razzaroo> people that are overthinkers or overimpressors usuallly have anxiety or ocd

23:56 <Cepheid> THAT on the other hand I can admit to.  I like to analyze things, often to extreme degree.

23:56 <Cepheid> It's both a negative and positive trait.

23:56 <Cepheid> It's a negative trait in that I think too much into things and analyze too deeply.  It's a positive trait in that it can help me do my job at times.

23:56 <Razzaroo> same like I'll overthink about how someone said something and interpret it in a certain way

23:58 <Razzaroo> like if i was wrong to think so and so might hate me

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