00:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: The Equestria Daily Youtube Channel Was Permanently Banned [ http://tinyurl.com/y72tlc66 ]
00:04 <Schism> Tiiime for a break. Also, o.o.
00:07 * Schism twinges. "Ow, my thumb."
00:24 <Schism> Cepheid: You could always watch Silent Hill, if you want a horror movie. He said with grim amusement.
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01:27 <LibrarianofHope> Hi
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02:23 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Armosk: Nightly Discussion #1488 [ http://tinyurl.com/yc6z6225 ]
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02:36 <Cepheid> Man that is one non-chalante drug deal going down out there.
02:36 * Schism raises an eyebrow.
02:36 <LibrarianofHope> ?
02:37 <LibrarianofHope> Dont do drugs kids
02:37 <Schism> Yes, if you drink too much dwarven syrup you'll get killed by a carp.
02:37 <Cepheid> There is a car out front, the neighbours use that newly-legalized drug. They are just having a grand old time chatting.
02:38 <Stormspark> yeah I've seen remarkably casusal drug deals before
02:38 <Schism> Eh, they're going to shut down independent dispensaries.
02:38 <Cepheid> Hilariously, they are some of the nicest people I've met in this area.
02:39 <Cepheid> I ran across em once or twice because I got home late at night and so on.
02:39 <Schism> That's honestly not too surprising.
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02:40 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
02:41 <Cepheid> Morning.
02:41 * Cepheid crunches on watered-down tomato soup with Worcestershire sauce and Tabasco sauce. Also some white pepper.
02:42 <Schism> Not a bad choice. o3o
02:43 * Schism sneaks vodka into Cepheid's soup.
02:44 <Cepheid> Noooo.... Alcohol gives me headaches these days.
02:44 <Schism> Ah, nevermind then. o.o;
02:44 <Cepheid> I suspect my Medicine is responsible.
02:44 * Schism nods, and instead offers Cepheid a flax seed pack straight out of the freezer.
02:44 <Cepheid> But any amount of alcohol seems to induce sinus issues and headaches(!?)
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02:45 <Cepheid> I'm preferential to sunflower seeds and baked pumpkin seeds.
02:46 <Schism> Oh, not what I meant. This is a chilled neck wrap.
02:46 <Cepheid> Ah. I'm good actually, but thanks. Weather is bearable today amazingly. No...
02:46 * Schism also boops Cepheid with a plush Hunter Fly.
02:47 <Cepheid> What I need is an antihistamine I can slather on my skin. For some reason my body itches like mad.
02:47 <Schism> Ah, I have the same issue right now. Something something pollen or the like...
02:47 <Cepheid> Yeah that's what I am thinking.
02:47 <Cepheid> Best solution there would be a good shower probably.
02:48 <LibrarianofHope> Thelema5: hoi
02:48 * DashedRainbows licks Thelema5
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02:50 * Thelema5 waves
02:50 <LibrarianofHope> I bought a really cool looking dragon skull trinket box
02:51 <DashedRainbows> Thelema5: it is done!
02:51 <DashedRainbows> it started as a random whatever thing but now
02:52 <DashedRainbows> who'd have thunk
02:54 <LibrarianofHope> You won the lottery?
02:54 <LibrarianofHope> Found oil
02:55 <LibrarianofHope> Won a cookie
02:55 <Thelema5> DashedRainbows, congrats!
02:55 <Thelema5> LibrarianofHope, whatcha gonna store in that?
02:55 <Cepheid> Trinkets.
02:55 <DashedRainbows> LibrarianofHope: finished a short story
02:56 <LibrarianofHope> May i see it?
02:56 * DashedRainbows whistles. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uU6IufE1RFjUrB_VYjFx11M82bbXrFIIUWhC48ZJBls/edit?usp=sharing
02:56 <LibrarianofHope> Im a writer si
02:56 <LibrarianofHope> Sort off
02:56 <DashedRainbows> it's uh weird
02:57 <LibrarianofHope> I can help you if you wants
02:57 <DashedRainbows> that'd be great just not now
02:57 <DashedRainbows> my brain is fried
02:59 <Thelema5> Oh boy, I'm screwed. I'm trying to plan out my upcoming trip to Maine, we're staying in a tiny oceanfront cabin in a small fishing village in the middle of nowhere... I'm looking for places to eat nearby- there are only a handful of places within driving distance, and all they sell is seafood. Neither of us eat seafood. Guess we'll be cooking in the whole time.
03:00 <DashedRainbows> hooray
03:01 * DashedRainbows sniffs Thelema5
03:01 <LibrarianofHope> OwO
03:02 <Thelema5> This is the cabin... scroll out to get a sense of how remote this place is https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4683825,-67.9885406,146m/data=!3m1!1e3
03:02 <LibrarianofHope> Analysis complete
03:03 <Cepheid> Let's see what happened in the world while I napped.
03:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Knockoff My Little Pony Fireworks are Causing Drama in North Carolina [ http://tinyurl.com/ybx55xwu ]
03:05 <Cepheid> Nothing much it seems.
03:05 <Thelema5> They found those lost kids in Thailand
03:07 <Cepheid> I meant in the last 3-4 hours. I knew about that when I woke up earlier.
03:08 <Thelema5> Wow, this is some seriously bad photoshop. Didn't anyone even look at this before uploading it? https://www.walmart.com/ip/Clearance-Ancheer-Folding-Electric-Treadmill-Black-3-0HP-Motorized-Treadmill-Mobile-Phone-Holder-5inch-HD-Screen-Exercise-Equipment-Walking-Running-M/536689967
03:08 <Stormspark> this is funny and scary at the same time
03:08 <Stormspark> it's hideous
03:08 <Stormspark> /vomit
03:08 <Stormspark> https://www.equestriadaily.com/2018/07/knockoff-my-little-pony-fireworks-are.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EquestriaDaily+%28Equestria+Daily%29
03:09 * Cepheid raises an eye at Thelema5's link.
03:10 <Stormspark> maybe it's a REALLY giant treadmill
03:10 * Thelema5 snerks
03:10 <Stormspark> it'd be what, 8-10 feet tall?
03:10 <Stormspark> I mean I guess you could make a giant treadmill like that if you wanted
03:10 <Stormspark> wouldn't be very practical unless Shrek wanted to use it
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03:18 <LibrarianofHope> Ill pony bomb
03:18 <DashedRainbows> how did the appointment go, Thelema5?
03:19 <LibrarianofHope> It is time to sleep
03:19 <LibrarianofHope> Night night
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03:21 <Thelema5> It was uncomfortable, DashedRainbows. an hour of sweating bullets, shaking, and mumbling
03:23 <DashedRainbows> hehehe I remember when I started group therapy
03:26 <DashedRainbows> whee! 23 downvotes. that says 'keep drawing dude' D':
03:27 <Thelema5> Heh
03:28 <DashedRainbows> I was going to draw but now I don't feel it...
03:28 * Thelema5 just ordered an item for delivery that weighs more than 200 lbs. How do they deliver something like that?
03:28 <Thelema5> *deliver
03:29 <Thelema5> And how am I going to get it into my house?
03:29 <Thelema5> DashedRainbows, haters gonna hate
03:29 <DashedRainbows> sigh
03:29 <DashedRainbows> yeah
03:29 <Stormspark> I never ordered something that heavy, but my mattress that came from amazon was pretty heavy
03:30 <Stormspark> it came in a box that was 4 feet high and 2 feet wide
03:30 <Stormspark> I was like, how the hell did they get that in there?
03:30 <Thelema5> You're targeting a niche, DashedRainbows. You can't expect people outside of that audience to respond well
03:30 <Stormspark> I took the plastic off of it and it started hissing and practically inflated over about 30 minutes
03:30 <Thelema5> Stormspark, heh
03:31 <DashedRainbows> the sad part is only 2 upvotes
03:31 <DashedRainbows> meh
03:33 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/iyasareru_d/status/1013276132509134848
03:34 * Stormspark hasn't seen it
03:34 <Stormspark> I don't believe in just doing downvotes and not saying anything else except for things that are irredeemably bad
03:35 <Stormspark> I mean if you're going to downvote, at least say something constructive so they can know how they can improve
03:35 <DashedRainbows> yeah like what's wrong
03:39 <Thelema5> This scene from Shaun of the Dead has always made my skin crawl... walking barefoot in a room where someone has worn street shoes? GAH!
03:40 <Thelema5> I observe strict outside/inside footwear protocol in my home; shoes are removed at the door, and socks are worn inside
03:41 <Thelema5> I'll not have someone dragging their street faeces and vomit into my home
03:42 <Schism> Minecraft movie to be released on May 24, 2019.
03:42 * Schism aughs at Thelema5, and nodnods.
03:44 * Cepheid is debating what to do. Obviously, there's a distinct choice between gaming and working on stuffs. However, he insists on avoiding working because he doesn't want to burn out rapidly. That leaves gaming. The question then becomes "what game?" He is thinking either NieR Automata or Mary Skelter.
03:44 <Stormspark> I'm KIND of the same
03:44 <Stormspark> no shoes inside
03:44 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/hanamomoact/status/1013989510365970433
03:44 <Stormspark> but I don't wear socks inside
03:45 <Cepheid> I generally avoid socks myself. They itch like mad after a while.
03:45 <Stormspark> I only put on socks if I'm going to be putting on shoes and going somewhere
03:45 <Stormspark> shoes without socks are a great way to have really nasty shoes
03:45 <Thelema5> Shoes without socks is a great way to breed bacteria
03:45 <Schism> Cepheid: Have you played the Awesome Adventures of Captain Spirit yet? I hear good things about it.
03:46 <Cepheid> I am not even aware of the game.
03:46 <Cepheid> Ah, that game.
03:46 <Stormspark> I'm not concerned about bacteria...but it does cause really sweaty feet, and really smelly shoes that you can't get the smell out of
03:46 <Cepheid> Doesn't really look like my kind of game.
03:46 <Stormspark> plus it's really just uncomfortable
03:46 <Thelema5> That smell is bacteria
03:46 <Schism> Tis a free game which I believe is in the same vein as Life is Strange. But alright.
03:46 <Stormspark> so I always wear socks with shoes
03:47 <Schism> Cepheid: Hmm, you ever beat VVVVVV?
03:47 <Cepheid> I have not. I'm trying to avoid PC games and such right now.
03:47 <Thelema5> I am only ever barefoot in bed.
03:47 <Cepheid> My laptop sucks for gaming, and I don't want to sit in my furnace room of a bedroom.
03:47 <Stormspark> I'm always barefoot inside
03:48 <Stormspark> that said, I don't like going outside barefoot because it gets my feet dirty
03:48 <Stormspark> I don't like having dirty feet
03:48 <Stormspark> that's the only reason really
03:48 <Thelema5> Me either
03:48 <Stormspark> I don't like having dirty anything really
03:48 <Schism> Ah, well, if your laptop is incapable of running VVVVVV, you probably have a problem there.
03:48 <Thelema5> I wash my hands at least a dozen times a day
03:49 <Stormspark> I only wash mine if I actually get them dirty
03:49 <Stormspark> which doesn't happen that often because 90% of my time the only thing they touch is a keyboard heh
03:50 <Stormspark> they have to look or feel grimy or dirty before I'll bother washing them
03:50 <Stormspark> I do shower pretty religious though, at least once a day
03:50 <Stormspark> I can't sleep without showering first
03:50 <Cepheid> Honestly, NieR seems to be my best bet right now. Keep hearing good things about it, but never get around to playing it.
03:50 <Stormspark> so I always hop in the shower shortly before bed
03:50 <Stormspark> which has the side effect of my bed not getting dirty that easily
03:50 <Stormspark> I've heard a few people say good things about it, I haven't been in much of a gaming mood lately though
03:51 * Schism nods. And decides to poke at Super Mario 64 a bit more.
03:51 <Cepheid> Fun story, but my doctor told me that, for a skin condition I had a few years back, that when showering, I only scrub certain areas on my body. The rest I ignore.
03:51 <Thelema5> Huh.
03:51 <Cepheid> I of course ignored this and just switched to cold water for a bit.
03:51 <Cepheid> Turns out the hot water I use was causing the problem. Switched to cold water for a week or two, then switched back and everything was peachy.
03:52 <Cepheid> But yeah, apparently you're not actually supposed to be scrubbing every single spot with whatever you use. I forget he areas specifically, but I believe it was arm pits, crotch area, and a couple of other spots.
03:52 <Cepheid> But feet weren't on that list, if I recall.
03:54 <Cepheid> The premise being something along the lines of "Soapy water runs over the rest of your body, which still actually binds to loose dirt and pulls it away anyways."
03:55 <Stormspark> haha
03:55 <Stormspark> one of the discord bots has a -human tag
03:55 <Thelema5> Cepheid, I scrub everything everyday, with an exfolliant... bottom of feet as well. No problems
03:55 <Stormspark> I just said "I wish I could get the -human tag to work IRL, I'd be spamming it". Reply "Yeah, I think we all do"
03:55 <Thelema5> I guess to each their own
03:55 <Stormspark> I don't bother with exfoiliants but I do wash everywhere
03:57 <Stormspark> Sabaton must be Ozzy fans
03:57 <Stormspark> this song is "let's see how many metal songs (particularly Ozzy/Sabbath) we can name-drop"
03:57 * Cepheid shrugs. "It may only apply to those with a dermatology issue, Thelema5."
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03:57 <Stormspark> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvRZxn7e3hc
03:57 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
03:57 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Sabaton - Metal Machine (Original Lyrics)
03:58 <Thelema5> Cepheid, everyone is different
03:59 <Thelema5> Heck, I can't cross a bridge without hyperventilating
03:59 <Cepheid> All I know is that hot water is generally considered bad for bathing in. Causes dry skin.
03:59 <Thelema5> I could see that. Natural oils would tend to dissolve
04:00 <Stormspark> I don't really have any fears EXCEPT heights
04:01 <Stormspark> I have a crippling fear of heights
04:01 <Stormspark> which I would think is weird since what I want most is to be able to fly
04:01 <Stormspark> Could be my mind going "but you can't fly now, you know that?"
04:02 <Stormspark> ferris wheels straight up make me black out, that's how bad it is
04:02 <Thelema5> Stormspark, me too. I even have a hard time walking up stairs. I get vertigo
04:02 <Stormspark> friend of mine talked me into getting into that really huge cage ferris wheel at cedar point. I don't even remember it
04:02 <Stormspark> he told me I was curled around the bar in the middle sobbing. I have no memory of it
04:02 <Stormspark> stairs don't bother me
04:03 <Stormspark> the only bother me if they are the see-through kind and they're really high
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04:03 <Cepheid> Okay, this is odd.
04:03 <Stormspark> I have to get about 20 feet up before it bothers me, any less than 20 feet and I don't notice
04:03 <Cepheid> I know I own NieR Automata. I have a safe file on my PS4.
04:03 <Cepheid> And yet, I can't find it. I wonder if my sister forgot to pack it in with my PS4 when she returned it to me.
04:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: The Community Guest Tour Group Is Coming To Baltimore For BronyCon [ http://tinyurl.com/ycmasqtk ]
04:03 <Thelema5> Heights make me want to sink to the ground, cover my head, and stop moving
04:04 <Stormspark> yep, that's what that cage ferris wheel did to me
04:04 <Thelema5> I deal with that even walking up to a second story building
04:04 <Stormspark> this thing
04:04 <Stormspark> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nkyBugHs9J4/maxresdefault.jpg
04:04 <Stormspark> never again
04:04 <Thelema5> That makes me feel sick
04:05 <Stormspark> I can handle going up 4 flights of stairs without any issue though, as long as I can't see through the stairs
04:05 <Stormspark> 1-2 flights don't bother me even if they are. There is a minimum height required to trigger it for me
04:05 <Stormspark> It's weird, because I feel like I should be able to fly, but I know I can't - I think the fear of heights is a defense mechanism resulting from that. In that context it makes sense
04:05 <PinkieShy> I just witnessed a Miracle.
04:06 <PinkieShy> My brother's dog just got up, went to drink a bunch of water..
04:06 <PinkieShy> I showed her, her food and she started to eat up.
04:06 <PinkieShy> That is a miracle.
04:06 <Thelema5> Nice. For me, it's even one flight. I went to see a new psychotherapist today, his office required walking up an old victorian spiral staircase which was a major challenge for me. Our next session is booked in a ground level office.
04:07 <PinkieShy> After her not eating over 24hr period.. or really drinking water.
04:07 <Stormspark> yeah, below that thresohold I'm not bothered at all
04:07 <Thelema5> Pinkie_Pie, I hope she is getting better
04:08 <PinkieShy> Thelema5 same here
04:08 * Pinkie_Pie tilts her head.
04:09 * PinkieShy pats the Pinkie_Pie
04:10 * Pinkie_Pie looks at PinkieShy. "I don't feel so good..." She slowly fades away
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04:10 <Reia_Hope> AKA I had to turn off my phone's irc
04:10 <PinkieShy> Reia_Hope was that you using Pinkie Pie?
04:11 <Reia_Hope> Yeah
04:11 <PinkieShy> Neat :P
04:11 <Thelema5> heh... i meant PinkieShy
04:19 <Thelema5> Hmm... so watching more videos from Americans, I am disgusted by their shoe hygine.
04:20 <Thelema5> I would never wear my street shoes in my home, but it seems to be a common practice
04:20 <Thelema5> So gross
04:21 <RazorSharpFang> You just bring the whole world's dust into your home
04:23 <Stormspark> well this was interesting, I didn't know about that - it's not something that was ever taught in school
04:23 <Stormspark> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Brown_and_Franz_Stigler_incident
04:23 <Stormspark> learned about it from a power metal song of all things
04:23 <Stormspark> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x02g4-XT_VU
04:23 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
04:23 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Sabaton - No Bullets Fly (Lyrics English \u0026 Deutsch)
04:25 <Stormspark> awesome band
04:27 <Thelema5> You and your Swedish metal
04:27 <Thelema5> Isn't that song like 2 decades old?
04:28 <Stormspark> ...2014
04:28 <Cepheid> And it's looking like my sister forgot to return one of my many PS4 games.
04:28 <Thelema5> Guess not
04:28 <Stormspark> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_(Sabaton_album)
04:29 <Stormspark> but yeah
04:29 <Thelema5> Cepheid, how has your sister been? You mention her from time to time, but is her living enviroment okay?
04:29 <Stormspark> Swedish/Finnish power metal is the best thing ever
04:29 <Cepheid> Hard to say.
04:29 <Stormspark> especially the symphonic power metal, but even the regular power metal
04:29 <Cepheid> From the sound of things, things are fine. But then occasionally I hear from her late at night, or she calls my mother late at night.
04:29 <Stormspark> granted European power metal is great in general, but those two places seem to have the best
04:29 <Cepheid> Which usually indicates a problem.
04:30 <Thelema5> Hmm. That can be hard to deal with
04:30 * Schism groans, finishes a level. "Cold Cold Mountain remains one of the more frustrating levels to complete."
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04:30 <Schism> Cool*
04:31 <Schism> And ah, well... I hope she's doing well.
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04:34 <Cepheid> Her husband can be a bit trying at times, I'll admit.
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04:35 <Cepheid> He wanted to go on a meditative retreat with my sister, but said retreat apparently required that it's customers stop using *ALL* forms of drugs, including medicative drugs for certain issues.
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04:37 <Cepheid> They argued back and forth over it for a while. That's apparently why my sister called me all those months ago at 2 AM in the morning.
04:37 <Cepheid> And then there was the period where he said he wanted to see other people for a bit.
04:38 <RazorSharpFang> "No drugs, not even ones you need to stay alive"
04:39 <Cepheid> More or less.
04:40 <RazorSharpFang> Not even insulin
04:40 <RazorSharpFang> Dems needles are scary
04:42 <Cepheid> No they aren't.
04:43 <Thelema5> Cepheid, that's asinine
04:44 * Cepheid shrugs.
04:44 <Cepheid> Not much I can do about it.
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05:14 * Stormspark flops over
05:15 <Coin-Trip39> hello
05:15 <Stormspark> saying "no insulin" to a diabetic is basically telling them to die
05:16 <Stormspark> I remember back in the 80's...someone at a Poison concert got a glimpse backstage, and saw Bret with a needle, and started rumors that the whole band was doing heroin
05:16 <Stormspark> it was insulin, he has type 1 diabetes
05:16 <Cepheid> But it was just insulin, yeah.
05:17 <Coin-Trip39> good to know
05:17 <Stormspark> diagnosed with it at 6 years old
05:17 <Stormspark> that is probably my favorite band that's not power metal
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05:17 <Coin-Trip39> i think i only know one of their songs
05:20 <Cepheid> My sister also has to take a prescription antihistamine because she has an unknown allergy to something.
05:22 <Schism> Behold: seasickness, on flat terrain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpixFG_eqpo
05:23 <Cepheid> Aren't shaders awesome?
05:24 <Schism> Yes. And terrifying.
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05:25 <Stormspark> how does that even work?
05:25 <Stormspark> I don't get motion sickness (although minecraft's graphic style gives me a headache)
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05:25 <Schism> What I want to do is view that in stereoscopic.
05:26 <Stormspark> I don't have a VR headset
05:26 <Stormspark> I could technically buy one
05:26 <Stormspark> but
05:26 <Stormspark> I'd use it for an hour and then put it in the closet
05:26 <Stormspark> and it'd end up being a waste of money when the novelty wore off (which would take about an hour)
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05:26 <Schism> Oh, Minecraft has an anaglyph 3D option. So you just need a set of those red/blue glasses.
05:27 <Stormspark> that's fake though
05:27 <Stormspark> I don't like those and wouldn't bother
05:27 <Stormspark> proper 3D or none at all :P
05:28 <Stormspark> oh well, bedtime
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05:52 * Schism sets fire to Hazy Maze Cave.
05:57 <Cepheid> I didn't mind that level.
05:58 <Schism> Eh, I just forgot where the green switch area was.
05:58 <Schism> Though the part where you have to cling to the ceiling is... well. Frustrating.
06:00 <Schism> Made somewhat more frustrating by the fact that there's a sign just outside the eponymous hazy maze, which tells you that hidden somewhere in the level is the green switch. So you'd think it's in the maze. Nope! It's found via Nessie.
06:02 <Cepheid> Yep.
06:03 <Schism> That 'cling to the ceiling' bit is used... what, three times in the game?
06:03 <Cepheid> I don't recall off hand.
06:04 * Cepheid looks through the patch notes of UE4. "... This is why so many people opt to use UE4 or Unity 3D to make their games. There's no way even small teams of developers could ever even come close to what these engines can do."
06:04 <Schism> Ah, four. Once in HMC, once in Tiny-Huge (the Wiggler's lair for 8 red coins), once in Tall Tall Heights...
06:05 <Cepheid> Isn't there one inside the pyramid level as well?
06:05 <Cepheid> I don't know why, but that danged pyramid is the most well-retained memory I have.
06:06 <Schism> I'm not sure. It sounds about right?
06:07 <Schism> Either way, I would declare it the worst of the mechanics.
06:16 * Cepheid gets noms.
06:17 * Cepheid also wonders why he is so tired. He slept well.
06:17 <RazorSharpFang> Cepheid, mind you - (for unity more) there have been cases of engine updates breaking projects.
06:17 <Cepheid> Gonna blame it on using melatonin last night to sleep.
06:17 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang: That is true, yes.
06:17 <RazorSharpFang> I'd also extend that to GM as well, which is great for rapid prototype of 2D titles.
06:18 <Coin-Trip39> soudns fun
06:18 <Cepheid> Arguably though, attempting to build an entire engine from scratch is a massive undertaking.
06:20 <Coin-Trip39> REally need to get back into using Unity
06:20 <Cepheid> Not that it's impossible, that is.
06:20 * Schism groans. Thinks he should get some sleep.
06:20 <Cepheid> I've managed a couple of engines here and there for small things.
06:21 <Cepheid> I may follow in that plan soon Schism. Gonna eat, then take a shower, and lay down and read until I fall asleep. Apparently the LP Archive updated recently with an FF5 Challenge Megathread.
06:22 <Coin-Trip39> io wouldn't mind sleep myself. cept I've got work to do
06:22 <Schism> Oh neat.
06:25 <Coin-Trip39> so hows everyone been?
06:25 <Cepheid> Since the last time I saw you? All over the danged place. But mostly better.
06:26 <Coin-Trip39> yeah it's...been a while
06:26 <Coin-Trip39> but that's good to hear
06:26 <Cepheid> Was a major setback a few days ago, but it's been... 'fixed' so to speak.
06:29 <Coin-Trip39> well it's a step forward i guess
06:30 <Cepheid> Basic gist: Waited six months for an appointment, two weeks before it, doctor in question reschedules. FOR NEXT YEAR.
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06:35 <Cepheid> Must be a cat nearby outside. Just saw Tizzy run downstairs.
06:40 <Cepheid> Don't see anything, but the cats are there, staring.
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07:08 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
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07:18 <Cepheid> Morning.
07:19 * ConfusionRift waves.
07:20 <Cepheid> How goes it?
07:21 <ConfusionRift> Day off, so all was swell. :P Well, kinda. Not much happening. At least nothing bad happened.
07:21 <Cepheid> Heh.
07:21 <Cepheid> It's cooling off up here. Breeze coming in from somewhere.
07:30 <Cepheid> Huh. Canada is ranked 6 on the GPI.
07:35 <ConfusionRift> That's good, I mean the cold of course. It sucks to be both sick and dealing with heat. Then again, extreme cold doesn't help either.
07:39 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
07:47 * ConfusionRift offers Cepheid some pizza.
07:47 * Cepheid noms.
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08:30 <Cepheid> So what're ye up to this morning, ConfusionRift?
08:30 <ConfusionRift> Unsure whether I should jump to Iconoclast, or play some more Terra Tech.
08:32 <Cepheid> Hard to say. I need to finish Iconoclasts myself.
08:32 <Cepheid> Myself, I'm currently reading up on Unreal Engine 4.
08:33 <ConfusionRift> Actually... gonna do that. Have to reduce my now once again expanded queue list.
08:33 <ConfusionRift> Oh, planning on a project with it?
08:34 <Cepheid> I have a project that could use it, yes.
08:34 <Cepheid> I also considered Unity3D, but it seems like UE4 has a lot more going for it. Looks large and confusing at first, but start playing around with it, and using a textbook..
08:35 <ConfusionRift> Isn't Unity3D more compact than 4?
08:36 <ConfusionRift> I mean, a simpler engine in comparison.
08:36 <Cepheid> In comparison, yes.
08:36 <Cepheid> But it has it's limitations. Same with UE4.
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08:38 <RazorSharpFang> Unity3D's runtime is built on Mono, so it has "support" for *nix systems.
08:39 <Cepheid> Honestly, the biggest problem I have with either engine is a simple one: Documentation.
08:39 <Cepheid> Both engines are horribly documented.
08:40 <RazorSharpFang> Ah yes, Documentation.
08:40 <RazorSharpFang> The bane of all programmers.
08:41 <Cepheid> In the case of UE4, some of it is outdated. And you can't make a local, offline copy of the documentation as far as I can tell.
08:41 <Cepheid> Which is problematic because the online documentation is spotty at best for loading stuff. It can take anywhere from a few seconds, to a few minutes.
08:42 <Cepheid> Unity3D, the documentation is just... all over the place and confusing.
08:45 <ConfusionRift> Why... I hate this so much. Every program I try to use for the PS3 and PS4 controllers are no longer working correctly or at all.
08:45 <RazorSharpFang> I'd try a restart, myself.
08:45 <RazorSharpFang> Alternatively, start Steam.
08:46 <ConfusionRift> Fun fact: Their support is not a full support. So some games WILL ignore your controller, even if they support it.
08:47 <RazorSharpFang> Don't they just use the XInput API?
08:47 <Cepheid> Yup.
08:47 <Cepheid> I think that's a setting you can set.
08:48 <ConfusionRift> In any case, it seems to be working now. (sighs) I think I know the issue, which is why I retired the PS3 one. Alas, here I am again. I'm a fool.
08:48 <Cepheid> Hmm?
08:49 <ConfusionRift> scptk and some others freak out if the controller needs to charge. You can't charge and use the controller at the same time. It tends to just not work or work for a bit and then stop.
08:49 <ConfusionRift> PS3 controller specific.
08:50 <Cepheid> Right.
08:54 <ConfusionRift> Oh yeah, another reason why I'm using scptk is because XInput is just not working correctly. Yes, it WILL recognize my PS3/PS4 controller. YES, it will read inputs. But for whatever reason it does both DS4/Playstation AND XInput at the same time. So you get double inputs. And some games, for some dumb reason, changed the face button configurations for the Playstation controller in comparison to Steam and Xbox inputs.
08:54 <ConfusionRift> So you get conflicting inputs.
08:56 <ConfusionRift> So with scptk, the system thinks it's an Xbox controller, and so does Steam.
08:57 <Cepheid> Fun fun.
09:05 <Finwe> o3o
09:06 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift.
09:06 <Finwe> o7
09:06 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
09:06 <Finwe> Good afternoon, everypony.
09:06 <Cepheid> Morning.
09:10 <Finwe> Cepheid: Yup, 0.5 up and anything below down to the next integer downwards.
09:11 * Finwe seems to answer with several days' latency.
09:12 <Cepheid> How does that apply to negative numbers? -4.5 = -4? Or -5?
09:12 <RazorSharpFang> Truncation? -4.5 --> -4
09:12 <Cepheid> Only asking because it's one of those fun areas of contention.
09:12 <Cepheid> Yeah, that's what's known as Round to Zero.
09:12 <Cepheid> Not all fields use that approach though.
09:12 <Cepheid> Nor do all computers use it.
09:13 <Cepheid> There are all sorts of weird approaches, apparently.
09:13 <RazorSharpFang> I maintain that if it's how C approaches it, then it's industry standard.
09:13 <RazorSharpFang> Array indexes should start at 0.
09:14 <Finwe> Cepheid: Then it's away from zero for 0.5 and towards zero for lower absolute value.
09:15 <Finwe> -4.5 ~ -5
09:15 <Cepheid> Right.
09:16 <RazorSharpFang> That's not REAL truncation! D:
09:16 <Cepheid> Personally I use the away-from-zero approach. It is what is taught in mathematics. Unfortunately, it's not what's used in computing usually. In fact, because of the variable nature of rounding methods, there isn't a rounding method in C or C++ as far as I can recall. Unless recent revisions changed that.
09:16 <Cepheid> You just have ceiling and floor.
09:17 <RazorSharpFang> I just floor everything.
09:19 <Cepheid> I hope you use the floor method for that, rather than casting from floating point to integer.
09:20 <RazorSharpFang> Nah, I just cast.
09:20 <Cepheid> That isn't a portable approach.
09:20 <RazorSharpFang> Portability hasn't been a concern for any of my projects yet.
09:21 <Cepheid> Fair enough.
09:21 <RazorSharpFang> And does that even hold true for managed languages?
09:22 <Cepheid> I have no idea.
09:23 <Cepheid> Hum, looks like I need to refresh my memory on the standards.
09:23 <Cepheid> C++ by default truncates.
09:23 <Cepheid> It's not architecture dependent.
09:25 <Cepheid> Of course, I cannot confirm this either, given that the C++17 standard documentation is behind a paywall.
09:25 <RazorSharpFang> Last I checked I was still on C++11
09:26 <Cepheid> Yeah, we're up to C++17, with C++2x in progress.
09:41 <Cepheid> Yeah, C++ specifically states that float/double -> int truncates the fractional part.
09:43 <Cepheid> Hum, my memory of handling floating->integer conversions must have been from an error I learned ages ago. In any case, I generally try to avoid relying on that behaviour.
09:45 <Cepheid> Or I could just be an idiot. One or the other.
09:50 * Cepheid pokes cat. Poke poke poke.
09:53 <ConfusionRift> Dunno why was reminded of Cat Poke.
09:54 <Cepheid> So, you know how cats like to repeatedly mark spots by rubbing themselves up against objects and such?
09:54 <ConfusionRift> Yarp?
09:55 <Cepheid> There's this one corner in the kitchen. Spitfire likes to rub up against it all the time, and I mean *ALL* the time. Especially when I'm around.
09:55 <Cepheid> Mostly he rubs his cheeks and jowls up against that spot.
09:55 <Cepheid> So, I just took a closer look at the spot, because I noticed something unusual.
09:56 <Cepheid> There was a brown, waxy material covering the small spot of the corner he rubs his cheek up against. He's been running his cheeks up against it for so long, it built up a thick layer of the oils he marks with.
09:58 <Cepheid> Fortunately it just washed right off with soap, water and a cloth.
09:58 <Cepheid> But geeze, cat, maybe you should slow down on the marking of territory.
10:00 <ConfusionRift> Heh.
10:01 <Cepheid> Speaking of cats, I had a bit of a weird incident in a dream yesterday. I was in my house, go over to the dining room window, and I look off to my left.
10:01 <Cepheid> On the ground, there was a circle of about 6 or 7 cats, all striped-orange tabbies. They looked like they were having a meeting. A bunch of other cats were nearby, looking at the group, but kept their distance.
10:02 <Cepheid> Unfortunately I never got to see what happened from that point on.
10:02 <Cepheid> I was woken up by my dad putting on Edge of Tomorrow and turning up the volume.
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10:10 <ConfusionRift> I knew it! There is a cat mob!
10:15 <Cepheid> Honestly, that is what it implied.
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10:31 <ConfusionRift> "We moved our whole base from its roots, and moved it far away" | ...it's exactly where it was before!
10:31 <Cepheid> Heh.
10:32 <Cepheid> I think that places you a slight bit behind me.
10:39 <ConfusionRift> They keep alluring that the town is now gone... heh, those soldiers suck. :P
10:41 <ConfusionRift> Latitude: 7.539989. Hmmmmm.
10:43 <ConfusionRift> Longitude: -5.547080... Okay, something's with this.
10:46 <Cepheid> Yeah, I was wondering about all that myself.
10:46 <Cepheid> It seems to point somewhere around Africa, if I recall.
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10:49 <Cepheid> Anyways, I'm headed off to bed.
10:49 <Cepheid> G'night.
10:49 <ConfusionRift> Alrighty. Have a good one.
10:51 <ConfusionRift> Ooooh, Côte d'Ivoire. Also known as "Ivory Coast". Yes, in West Africa.
10:53 <ConfusionRift> They used to have an economy largely based in ivory. Explains the reference. :P
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10:59 <Cepheid> .... Okay Spitfire, what was that? Tizzy was laying down. Spitfire walked up to her, and then just pushed his face into her fur. Tizzy looked confused and just laid there.
11:00 <Cepheid> My dad yelled at him, then the two started biting each other.
11:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Cobalt Comet: Morning Discussion #1262 [ http://tinyurl.com/y7nqw55h ]
11:05 <ConfusionRift> o_0 The heck?
11:05 <Cepheid> It's the mouse pad. My mouse pad is on the floor and both cats are attracted to it for some reason.
11:05 <Cepheid> Must be giving off a scent.
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11:15 <ConfusionRift> Probably. Hand's been all over it, and the must have also been near it as well.
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11:37 <ConfusionRift> Time for me to sleep as well. Laters.
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13:13 <Finwe> o3o
13:14 <Finwe> I would have doffed Hat, should I not have missed his presence here.
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16:24 <Princess-Luna> OwO
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17:09 <LibrarianofHope> morning
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17:52 <Finwe> Mr LibrarianofHope.
17:52 * Finwe doffs his hat and waves Mexico goodbye as they are out of FIFA World Cup 2018. o3o
17:53 <LibrarianofHope> i dont really mind
17:53 <LibrarianofHope> or care
17:54 <LibrarianofHope> imma just chillax
17:54 * Finwe patpathugs a LibrarianofHope.
17:54 <Finwe> On the other hoof, Sweden made it to quarter finals. o3o
17:54 <LibrarianofHope> hope you win
17:55 <Finwe> They.
17:55 <LibrarianofHope> lazy figure of sppech
17:55 <Finwe> Finland is totally hopeless in international-level hoofball.
17:55 <LibrarianofHope> what is finland famous fow?
17:55 <LibrarianofHope> fow
17:55 <LibrarianofHope> you get it owo
17:57 <Finwe> Finland is famous for being the happiest nation in the world, according to some rather recent research project.
17:57 <LibrarianofHope> and doofing hats?
17:57 <Finwe> We're also the home of things like Linux and IRC.
17:58 <LibrarianofHope> you hnow the penguin ?
17:58 <LibrarianofHope> get me an autograph
17:59 <Finwe> Tux does not give autographs. o3o
17:59 <LibrarianofHope> imma go for a bit, i need to concentrate
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18:00 <Finwe> LibrarianofHope: But I have a photograph of some Gentoo penguins in the marine aquarium in Bergen.
18:00 <Finwe> Oh, he concentrated himself out of the channel.
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18:22 <PinkieShy> That was interesting earlier today lol
18:29 <PinkieShy> Doctor asked me about my eyes if anything wrong
18:30 <PinkieShy> I told them no, but.. I do have a eye floater in the left eye and i describe what it looks like to make sure. They gave me an eye test with a chart lol
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19:55 <Schism> rAdm. Finwe. Ms. DashedRainbows.
19:56 * Schism doffs his grilled cheese sandwich.
20:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Lyra and Bonbon Day Submissions Now Open! Event on Sunday! [ http://tinyurl.com/ya5qt9em ]
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20:22 <DashedRainbows> Afternoon Schism
20:23 <LibrarianofHope> drink afternoon schism, for that midday pickme up
20:24 <LibrarianofHope> ( not reccomended foe anyone, acompañelo con leche)
20:24 * DashedRainbows licks LibrarianofHope
20:28 <LibrarianofHope> dont lick books
20:28 <LibrarianofHope> why does everyone want to slober me
20:28 <LibrarianofHope> its ppor library manners
20:29 <LibrarianofHope> imma fine you, 2 dollars or a cookie
20:34 * Schism tries setting up some Java tweaks to get Minecraft to run in a reasonable manner.
20:36 <Schism> Java's normal garbage collection methods are ... less than impressive.
20:53 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Cobalt Comet: Brony Article in Women's Dutch Magazine 'Linda' [ http://tinyurl.com/y9gs2xp3 ]
20:57 <DataByte> I've had to call the gc manually for one program I made, otherwise it would exceed the heap size
21:03 <Schism> Yeah, I've got some weird settings going on here. The obvious are of course XMS and XMX set to 4G apiece, garbage collection's heap size is now 32M, and 20%'s reserved for the heap.
21:06 <Schism> Hm. Game wants me to succeed. Drops me right in the middle of a swamp to start, with boatloads of useful materials.
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21:13 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Lyra and Bonbon Day Submissions Now Open! Event on Sunday! [ http://tinyurl.com/ya5qt9em ]
21:13 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Analysis: Top 15 Lessons in My Little Pony [ http://tinyurl.com/y969qoub ]
21:13 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Voting Open For Top Pony Songs And Videos Of June! [ http://tinyurl.com/yap4kvh8 ]
21:16 <Schism> Flint and steel, or shears? ...eh, flint and steel. Might as well set some cows aflame.
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21:23 <Vulpor> Evening ponies!
21:24 * Cepheid awakens.
21:24 <Cepheid> Schism: What game are you playing? Sounds like Minecraft.
21:25 <Schism> Tis, yes.
21:25 * Schism boops the Vulpor and the Cepheid with some apple pie! A la mode, of course.
21:26 <Cepheid> What is "a la mode"?
21:26 <Schism> In this case, 'served with vanilla ice cream'.
21:26 <Vulpor> With vanilla ice cream
21:26 <Cepheid> I don't speak, read or write French, so those words mean nothing to me. Even less with the context given.
21:26 <Cepheid> Ah.
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21:30 <Cepheid> How strange. The humidity is 28%.
21:31 <Vulpor> Also the birthplace of apple pie ala mode is from a small town in NY
21:31 <Vulpor> New York
21:31 <Vulpor> Cambridge hotel
21:31 <Cepheid> Huh.
21:31 <Cepheid> In any case, I've never had apple pie like that.
21:32 <Cepheid> Wouldn't change much for me due to how I tend to eat apple pie.
21:32 <Vulpor> I know this because I was in the hotel awile back
21:32 <Vulpor> Do you eat it with cheese on top
21:32 <Cepheid> I tend to eat it part by part. I eat the top crust first, the apple filling second, then the bottom crust third, and finally the edge crust.
21:32 <Vulpor> which is a Wisconsin thing
21:33 <Cepheid> All apple pie a la mode or with cheddar cheese would change is that I'd eat the topping first.
21:33 <Schism> Cepheid: Do you also just take bites out of your Kit-Kats without breaking them apart?
21:33 <Vulpor> ahh
21:33 <Cepheid> No.
21:35 <Schism> That's good, at least. I'd hate to have to kill you.
21:37 <Cepheid> You live too far away. I can't see you taking the time to come up here to kill me over such a trivial thing anyways.
21:37 <Vulpor> by the way Absolver is free on playstation plus
21:37 <Vulpor> Its fun
21:38 <Vulpor> Also Heavy Rain is free
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21:38 <Vulpor> I liked Beyond Two Souls better
21:38 <Vulpor> I may get Detroit someday soon
21:38 <FreezeFrame> I apparently forgot to rejoin servers after my computer last crashed
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21:42 <Cepheid> My wrist hurts today unusually.
21:49 * Schism taps wood, extracts rubber. Also, sneezes twice, gets a headache and a nosebleed. "Ow."
21:55 <Cepheid> Geeze
21:55 <Cepheid> I know something went through earlier today, because my gods my sinuses and nose were in agony earlier when I got woken up by my dad.
22:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Comics: Jar of Precious Butter / What Guys Do / Greater Flame #12 / Gemmed #18 / Heartbreaks #2 / Two Sisters Go Camping #9 [ http://tinyurl.com/ydcgdzvc ]
22:03 <Schism> Yeeesh.
22:09 <Cepheid> Noooooo.... An SPCA animal shelter burned down. All but 12 dogs survived.
22:11 <Schism> Awrfgh. ._.
22:15 <SunsetShimmer> Aww
22:17 <Schism> Only 12 dogs survived, you mean...
22:21 <Cepheid> All the cats died.
22:21 <Lumindia> D:
22:21 <Lumindia> NOooooooooooo
22:21 <Cepheid> The cause is unknown, but evidence is pointing to the storm yesterday.
22:23 <Cepheid> We had a powerful thunderstorm yesterday, heavy rains and lots of lightning and thunder. Extremely high winds too.
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22:25 <Cepheid> .. "Toronto woman fires shotgun at pedestrian and cyclist after altercation." What the hell?
22:28 <RazorSharpFang> Really makes you think.
22:31 <Schism> People really worry me.
22:31 * Schism peers at this. "Hmm, plains." He then peers at the next biome over, which is Crag Cliffs. "...I could perhaps make use of this."
22:33 <Schism> Plains biomes are nice for flat building land, of course. o4o
22:34 <RazorSharpFang> Schism, But do they have to?
22:34 <Schism> That's the thing; they don't.
22:35 * Schism considers what to build, to start. A cottage? Might be nice...
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22:43 <Schism> Definitely need to build some power stations in the mod if I'm going to be poking at things. And that probably means delving down to fill a few buckets. If nothing else, I want to have the resources to set up macerators.
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22:44 * Cepheid downloads an example project for UE4. It seems to implement a visual style he wants for one of his two projects, so opts to check and see how it's done.
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22:49 <Cepheid> Hello, Rogers. I'm not interested in your offers.
22:50 <Cepheid> Schism, what're your thoughts on Bell's internet and TV services?
22:51 <Schism> Thus far, I'm finding this service to be pretty acceptable. Speed is nice, even at 100Mbps.
22:52 <Schism> By which I mean it's actually 100Mbps.
22:52 <RazorSharpFang> Okay, but do you suffer from packet loss and jitter?
22:52 <Schism> Virtually nonexistent for me.
22:52 <Cepheid> Rogers as of late has been trying to scam us into a new contract where we pay more.
22:52 <Cepheid> So my parents are considering switching.
22:53 <Schism> But of course. Hmm.
22:53 <Schism> Your folks watch sports much?
22:54 <Cepheid> My dad watches NASCAR and the occasional bits of golf, that's it.
22:55 <Schism> Hrmm. Wanna say the best bet would be the Better bundle with 100Mbps, and I think that's $132/month for the contract term. You use the home phone at all?
22:55 <RazorSharpFang> So expensive!
22:56 <Schism> RSF: Yes, but at least it doesn't fluctuate with the waves in Malcolm Turnbull's gut.
22:56 <Cepheid> No we don't.
22:57 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang: Normal pricing in Canada.
22:57 <RazorSharpFang> Nyeh!
22:57 <Cepheid> There's a group of telecoms that all work together to monopolize the market.
22:57 <Cepheid> Rogers, Bell, Telus. Shaw is sometimes mentioned as well.
22:57 <RazorSharpFang> Malcom's the Liberal party's leader... I think they're prime minister.
22:57 <Schism> Yes, Turnbull's the PM.
22:58 <Schism> Anyway, yeah. Better bundle + 100Mbps... hrmf. They don't particularly like 3rd party routers; you have one going with a bridged modem ATM?
22:58 <Cepheid> Basically, they control all the backbones for Internet and TV services, and as a result, they all agree to set prices at certain numbers, etc.
22:58 <Cepheid> I do, yes.
22:58 <RazorSharpFang> I'm honestly not too familiar with local politics. Global politics is more interesting.
22:58 <Schism> Right; you can disable the wifi portion of the modem and just set forwarding to your router, I guess.
22:59 <Cepheid> They won't have a problem with that?
22:59 <Schism> Not so much. But you don't want to actually BRIDGE the provided modem, because the TV services work on their own wifi setup, and it's finicky as all hell... oh, how many TVs you got going?
23:00 <Cepheid> One primary TV, two secondary TVs.
23:00 <Schism> Right, receivers are $7 extra after the first, so that adds there. How much is Rogers trying to ding you for?
23:00 <Cepheid> Oh, and I don't bridge. The modem's set up just as a modem and nothing else.
23:01 <Schism> Oh, that's ISP techsupport terminology. Disabling the routing portion is what we call 'bridging'.
23:01 <Cepheid> Ah.
23:01 <Cepheid> Any particular reason they dislike it?
23:02 <Cepheid> OR a better question.
23:02 <Cepheid> Rather than ask if they don't like it, do they FORBID it?
23:02 <Schism> They do not forbid it, no. But because the TV portion runs off the internet service and the modem itself, using a different 5G channel, it becomes extraordinarily finicky.
23:02 <Cepheid> I'm assuming from what you're saying is that they don't forbid it. They just don't like it be- Yeah.
23:03 <Cepheid> Ah. It uses 5G?
23:03 <Schism> Yeah.
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23:03 <Cepheid> No problems there. Even though it's faster, this house is not well-designed for 5G. We use 4GHz.
23:03 <Cepheid> Er, 2.4GHz*
23:04 <Cepheid> In fact, not five feet from the router is a small outcrop wall that is filled with so much metal that it blocks the 5GHz signal from my PC.
23:05 <Schism> Hrmm. Might be tricky there, then.
23:05 <Cepheid> Yeah.
23:05 <Cepheid> I'm sure a solution can be devised that solves it, but yeah.
23:05 <Schism> There are options and means -- different locations for connection, for example. And there's this range extender option they provide.
23:06 <Cepheid> Yeah, that's likely going to be what we do, relocate the modem.
23:06 <Cepheid> My dad will talk with his co-worker, and we'll look into it, but yeah, they're trying to get us out of our current contract because it was grandfathered from an older contract we had, and they don't want us to keep this one.
23:06 <Cepheid> Especially since they gave us a 25% price cut.
23:06 <Schism> Hrmf, naturally.
23:06 <RazorSharpFang> My ISP doesn't do their configuration right - their routers respond with "Unreachable" when you try to ping them
23:07 <Cepheid> That...
23:07 <Cepheid> Is actually probably a security consideration.
23:07 <RazorSharpFang> Okay, but why even respond at all?
23:08 <Cepheid> So, what are you doing? ping from PC to the router?
23:08 <Cepheid> Or from the router to somewhere else?
23:08 <RazorSharpFang> Ping from PC to ISP's router (not located in my house)
23:09 <RazorSharpFang> And it responds that it can't reach itself.
23:09 <Cepheid> Router/Modem is probably set up to not respond to ICMP ping requests as a security consideration. Ping flooding used to be a DOS technique.
23:09 <RazorSharpFang> ping 10.20.25.96 : Reply from 10.20.25.96: Destination net unreachable.
23:10 <RazorSharpFang> It's lost, it doesn't know where it is.
23:10 <Cepheid> You sure it's not the ping tool reacting to the fact that it's not getting a response at all?
23:11 <RazorSharpFang> Uh, no. It times out when you ping and you don't get a pong.
23:11 <Cepheid> So it's specifically stating it's unreachable then. Hum.
23:11 * LibrarianofHope does intermission, dances funky
23:11 <LibrarianofHope> carry on
23:12 <RazorSharpFang> If they were doing this for security's sake, they'd be better off not replying.
23:12 <Cepheid> True, since there's processing involved in the response.
23:12 <Cepheid> I haven't got a clue then.
23:13 <Cepheid> But then again, you're in Australia, right? Your internet services, from what I recall, are garbage. Er, no offense meant to you directly.
23:13 <RazorSharpFang> I would attribute it to poor configuration without a second thought.
23:14 <RazorSharpFang> What's also interesting is that we have the contract with IInet, but have a TPG-owned external IP, since TPG bought IInet. (IInet's gotten... worse since the takeover)
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23:17 <Cepheid> Heh.
23:17 <Cepheid> Yeah, officially you can get "cheaper" services here in Canada as well, but they all go through one of the various big corps.
23:17 <RazorSharpFang> *sniff sniff* Hmm, smells like someone's put a monopoly in the oven.
23:17 <Cepheid> Yup.
23:18 <Cepheid> Trust me, Canadians KNOW there is a monopoly.
23:18 <Cepheid> The government is doing it's best to try and break it down. Their latest endeavour has been to have an investigation into their sales practices.
23:19 <RazorSharpFang> Hopefully they'll put more into it than they did in their electoral reform
23:22 <Finwe> Messrs Cepheid, RazorSharpFang and Schism.
23:22 * Finwe doffs his tank driver's cap.
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23:25 <Cepheid> My sister does have my game, it seems.
23:26 <Cepheid> Also my sister reminded me that my dad's birthday was on Friday.
23:28 <Cepheid> Hum. Looks like the demo game uses a cheap solution. 3D meshes with materials.
23:35 <Cepheid> Huh, when did they release the source code to the original system shock?
23:36 <Cepheid> ... 3 months ago, looks like.
23:45 <Cepheid> GPL3 license, too.
23:51 <Cepheid> Only catch? It's for the Mac version of the game. o3o
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