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00:45 <XGRAVITYBLASTX> Hello
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01:06 * Schism gluhs.
01:07 <Schism> Slept all through the day. Missed all the rain.
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02:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1499 [ http://tinyurl.com/y9rquvdb ]
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02:41 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
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02:51 <Thelema5> Is there anypony to talk to? DashedRainbows? Schism? Cepheid?
02:51 <RazorSharpFang> I exist. :)
02:52 * Schism wurps.
02:52 <Thelema5> Hey RazorSharpFang.
02:52 <Thelema5> I'm feeling very down, just looking for someone to chat with
02:52 * Schism offers Thelema5 a hug. "What's up?"
02:52 <RazorSharpFang> What sort of down?
02:52 <RazorSharpFang> I presume it's not fluffy.
02:53 <Thelema5> I donno, just feeling despressed. It's nice to chat
02:53 <Thelema5> *depressed
02:53 <Schism> Tis, yea. Not sure what to chat about, tho.
02:53 <Thelema5> I know
02:53 <RazorSharpFang> Let's talk about politics. *gets bricked*
02:53 <Thelema5> Noooo
02:54 <Schism> That's a road to more depression, really.
02:54 <Thelema5> These days, yeah. For sure
02:54 <Schism> There is, of course, always the positive side of the internet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HECa3bAFAYk
02:55 * Schism wonders, "Any particularly good LPs you've been listening to?"
02:55 <Thelema5> Adorabru
02:55 <Thelema5> Nah
02:57 <Schism> Snrk, and then there's cats getting startled and jumping around. Not all by cucumbers, or really anything like them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U_XREUMOAU
02:57 <Thelema5> I'm sad because my partner was away all day at a beach in a bathing suit sunning herself with "friends"... but when she returned she was pissed because I'd been drinking. Like really, what else would i be doing? alone stuck at home>
02:58 <RazorSharpFang> Was there something stopping you from joining them?
02:58 * Schism wurfls. "Dunno..."
02:58 <Thelema5> I have agoraphobia, genreral anxieity disorder, and am on the spectrum. Also I wasn't invited.
02:59 <RazorSharpFang> Agoraphobia? That's... the fear of going outside?
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02:59 <Thelema5> Not really, it's more of an inability to do things that would place me in a situation where I can't get away
03:00 <RazorSharpFang> Would you be afraid of entering an elevator?
03:02 <Thelema5> Elevators are terrifying but not as bad as escalators
03:03 <RazorSharpFang> I don't understand how an escalator can be more terrifying than an elevator.
03:03 <Thelema5> Heights and stairs
03:03 <Thelema5> I guess its a personal thing
03:03 <Schism> I'm not really a fan of escalators either. It always feels... wrong.
03:04 <RazorSharpFang> I like to use the stairs and go up faster than the people walking up the escalator to demonstrate my pure untrammeled strength.
03:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: My Little Pony Movie: Anime Opening Style [ http://tinyurl.com/y8udjzk7 ]
03:04 <Schism> I think it's being on an open device which you have no control over, more than being in an enclosed one.
03:04 <RazorSharpFang> And you'd avoid stairs too?
03:04 <Thelema5> Yes,
03:04 <Thelema5> Stairs are hard
03:04 <RazorSharpFang> How do you gain elevation?
03:05 <Thelema5> Usually elevators
03:05 <Thelema5> handicap access
03:06 * Stormspark gains elevation by going up
03:06 <Stormspark> sorry couldn't resist
03:07 <Stormspark> oddly enough, I AM scared to death of heights, BUT it has to get to a certain point to affect me at all. 25 feet or less and there's nothing. Then it flips on like a switch
03:07 <Stormspark> stairs and escalators don't bother me. The only time stairs bother me are when they are the see-through ones that go really high up (has to pretty much be more than 3 stories to affect me though)
03:08 <Stormspark> it's not actually the height I'm afraid of...I think it's more "afraid of not being able to fly"
03:15 <Schism> Random link to snicker at: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1571.php
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03:16 <Stormspark> ...my cat is named after that comic
03:16 <Stormspark> my ex named her
03:16 <Stormspark> I had no idea where she got the name
03:16 <Stormspark> I guess I do now
03:16 <Schism> Mab, I take it? o3o
03:16 <Stormspark> she said "oh I got the name from a webcomic", I just didn't know which one
03:16 <Stormspark> yeah
03:16 <Schism> Could've been named from Shakespeare, too.
03:16 <Stormspark> nah it's definitely this one
03:16 <Stormspark> haha
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03:25 <Schism> Thelema5: How to ace a job interview. http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1630.php
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04:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Ponytown Aniamtion: Bobo Random [ http://tinyurl.com/y7bwou65 ]
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04:45 <_DGW> h
04:45 <_DGW> :O
04:45 <Schism> i
04:46 <Schism> Guh. Game, I can't get started if you don't give me some stones. :<
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04:59 <PinkieShy> uhh.
05:00 <PinkieShy> Might get Revenge of the nerds collection soon xD
05:00 <PinkieShy> Good Movie. If you get past.. the rated R content.. If you overlook it..
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06:12 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
06:26 * Schism boops ConfusionRift with a plush Maxwell. Also, boops Filly_Nightmares with a Tracer action figure!
06:27 * ConfusionRift boops Schism with... ... ...pony figure!
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06:39 * ConfusionRift sees a pony walk and hit a passenger chair that was obviously in front of them. "I wonder if he's okay." | "Oh there's your pilot." | "Oh nice... wait... no.. no NO!" | (brings the blind one to him) "Here he iiiiiiis!"
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06:44 * PinkieShy hands ConfusionRift and DashedRainbows a Stitch plushie
06:44 <PinkieShy> Life sized! :D
06:44 <ConfusionRift> Yay, Stitch! :P
06:45 <Schism> He'll be irresistably drawn to large cities where he'll back up plumbing, reverse street signs, and steal everybody's left shoe.
06:45 * DashedRainbows noms it
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06:51 * DashedRainbows barks before going to sleep. Good night
06:51 <ConfusionRift> Have a good one.
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06:54 <Finwe> o3o
06:55 <Finwe> Good morning, everypony!
06:55 <Schism> rAdm. Finwe.
06:55 * Schism doffs his crockpot. o3o
06:55 <Finwe> Mr Schism.
06:55 * Finwe doffs his hat.
06:58 <ConfusionRift> You know? Getting that old urge for an FPS game.
06:59 <Schism> I've heard Killing Room is pretty good.
07:00 <ConfusionRift> Isn't it a wave style game?
07:00 <Schism> Yeah, so hum. You got DOOM 2?
07:01 <ConfusionRift> Doom 2? As in the original Doom 2?
07:01 <Schism> Yea. I'm thinking you might want to play the 'Brutal DOOM Starter Pack' or something.
07:02 <ConfusionRift> I might have it, don't remember.
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07:05 <Schism> Also, are you a fan of B-movies?
07:06 <ConfusionRift> Depeeeeends.
07:06 <ConfusionRift> I can stand a few. Others would either put me to sleep, and fill me with anger.
07:06 <Schism> Ah, 'kay. Depending, you might like the game 'The Deadly Tower of Monsters'.
07:07 <Schism> It lampoons B-movies, y'see.
07:11 <ConfusionRift> Huh, so it's a game that follows many of nitches and cliches that were filmed in older movies. :P
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07:11 <ConfusionRift> Hey, Atlus put their name on it. Hmmmmm.
07:11 <Schism> With a wink and a nod. For example, dinosaurs. Why dinosaurs? Well, because they're awesome! And they're done in stop-motion.
07:11 <Schism> Yup.
07:13 <ConfusionRift> Gonna put it on hold. It does interest me somewhat.
07:14 * Schism noddles.
07:14 <Schism> Lessee. Could always play Quake.
07:15 * ConfusionRift slowly shakes his head.
07:15 * Schism hmms. "Far Cry 3?"
07:15 <ConfusionRift> There's something about it that bothers me. Might be the motion, the floaty controls, or the lack of progression.
07:16 <ConfusionRift> Already have and beat FC3. :P
07:16 <ConfusionRift> Also FC4... big mistake.
07:16 <Schism> Ah, fair nuff. And even Blood Dragon? <<
07:16 <ConfusionRift> Yeeeees, even Blood Dragon. :P
07:17 <ConfusionRift> I liked that one, even if it was way too short.
07:17 <Schism> I heard that was one of its charms, that it didn't stay too long.
07:18 <ConfusionRift> True. Otherwise, it would get stale.
07:18 <ConfusionRift> Cliche after cliche, but it was fun. Same as Broforce.
07:19 <Schism> Mmyup.
07:19 * Schism wonders, "Played Clustertruck?"
07:19 <Schism> Not FPS-ish, but fun platforming. Funnish, anyway.
07:20 <ConfusionRift> Nope. I think I don't have the patience for that one, especially later levels where things get... yeah...
07:21 <Schism> Could always go back and play Bioshock again.
07:22 <ConfusionRift> Hmmmmmm... I do have it on the PS4.
07:22 <ConfusionRift> It's strange going back to it.
07:22 <Schism> Whyso?
07:24 <ConfusionRift> There's something about how the game works that it takes a bit to get used to.
07:25 <Schism> Mm, guess there is a little bit of that.
07:26 * Schism reinstalls Shatter, because sometimes you want some Arkanoid.
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07:30 <ConfusionRift> Might continue Rabi Ribi or go through some Trailmakers.
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07:34 <ConfusionRift> Or something... (sighs) Looking at empty space is getting a bit boring.
07:34 <Schism> Hmmm. Yea.
07:35 <Cepheid> Why are there birds tweeting at 3:34 am?
07:36 <ConfusionRift> I have been wondering that... and I just realized there's a bird's nest on the upper frame of the front door.
07:37 <Cepheid> I must ate the worst breakfast. Skewered chicken pieces, a salad, an apple. And two ice cream bars. =.= My sweet tooth is back and I need to control it again
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07:42 <ConfusionRift> That was a full blown meal.
07:44 * Ali snuzzles on Cepheid
07:45 * Schism passes Cepheid some pinecones instead. They're good for roasting.
07:45 <Cepheid> Pretty much. Meal and desert. Still I need to curb the sugar.
07:45 <Schism> Though a chicken and apple salad is a good thing.
07:45 <Cepheid> Stuff isn't good for me due to diabetes. It also aggravates my sinuses inexplicably.
07:46 <Cepheid> And hello Ali.
07:46 * Ali wavies
07:46 * Cepheid noms on the pinecones. Then a wafer thin mint. He promptly explodes.
07:47 <Schism> Cephy: At some point we should play Don't Starve Together again.
07:48 <Cepheid> We should. I wonder if they changed how servers are set up.
07:49 <Schism> I think they have.
07:49 <Schism> Well, depending on how long ago you mean.
07:49 <Cepheid> I am comparing to back when it first came out.
07:50 <Schism> Oh, yeah, pretty sure it's much better in that regard.
07:51 <Schism> http://dontstarve.wikia.com/wiki/Don%E2%80%99t_Starve_Together_Dedicated_Servers
07:51 * Ali doesn't have that game! :P
07:51 <ConfusionRift> Same.
07:52 <ConfusionRift> Be right back. Need watah.
07:52 <Cepheid> I need coffee myself. *makes it blacker than the dark abyss*
07:53 * Schism adds a little honey to Cepheid's coffee.
07:54 <Cepheid> Please don't. I tried that once. The results weren't pretty for me.
07:54 <Schism> Egh. Alright then. o.o;
07:54 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift, Miss Ali.
07:54 <Finwe> o7
07:55 * Finwe hats on Ali.
07:55 * Ali squeaks
07:55 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
08:02 <Cepheid> Ah nothing like the inside of your nose itching and tickling relentlessly
08:03 <Finwe> Hmm, many streets in the city are going to be closed tomorrow. o3o
08:04 <Finwe> And the police even advices against opening windows towards the closed streets.
08:04 <Cepheid> Why?
08:05 <Schism> Summit.
08:05 <Finwe> Cepheid: A certain Donald Trump is having a meeting with a certain Vladimir Putin here tomorrow.
08:06 <Schism> Though Vladimir is making his dear friend wait a little while, due to the World Cup and all that.
08:06 <Cepheid> Right. So protests aplenty. And hot air.
08:07 <Finwe> Basically, Trump requires an army of security guards, whereas Putin has demanded that the streets be closed within a certain radius from the route used by him.
08:08 <Finwe> In addtion, we're going to experience temperatures in excess of 30°C next week.
08:08 <Cepheid> Oh. Wow.
08:08 <Finwe> This hasn't happened for a while.
08:08 <Finwe> Last summer the temperature never rose over 20°C.
08:09 <Schism> 30 today, here, 29 tomorrow (with thunderstoooorms).
08:09 <Finwe> This summer we've mostly had anticyclones hanging above Scandinavia.
08:10 <Cepheid> Oh hells bells there is another heat warning for Ottawa.
08:10 * Schism still likes the depiction of an anticyclone used in "The Last Continent".
08:10 <Schism> Yup...
08:11 <Cepheid> Low 30s with humidex values near 40. Ends on Tuesday when a cold front comes through.
08:11 <Schism> If 26 counts as a cold front.
08:11 <Schism> 28, sorry.
08:13 <Cepheid> Its the humidity that kills me, not the temperature.
08:13 <Cepheid> I know this because I went to California once. It was super dry there.
08:13 <Cepheid> Heat was bearable though.
08:13 * Schism nods, "Humidex..." He offers the Cepheid some icepacks too.
08:14 <Finwe> The relative humidity at least is rather low, something betwixt 40% and 50%.
08:15 <Cepheid> I think I may actually use that ice pack I have tonight for my head. I suffered some sunburn the other day when I went out.
08:15 <Finwe> In the winter it's always close to 100%.
08:15 <Cepheid> Yeah but it is also much colder, so the amount of moisture in the air is much lower.
08:16 <Schism> That doesn't help, of course, because a dry cold is also much less bearable than a damp cold.
08:16 <Finwe> Yup, that's why it is called relative humidity.
08:17 <Finwe> Absolute humidity is much lower in the winter than what it is in the summer.
08:17 <Cepheid> I disagree Schism.
08:18 <Cepheid> Then again I walk around out in -10 weather without a winter coat. Sometimes I even take off the coat I am wearing.
08:18 <Finwe> Schism: -40°C up north where the air is rather dry doesn't feel half as bad as -5°C here when the sea is still open.
08:18 <Schism> https://www.relaxblacksburg.com/flaxseed-pillows.html
08:19 <Schism> And mmm, yeah.
08:19 <Finwe> This flax weighs three pounds.
08:19 * Schism has five tons of flax.
08:21 <Finwe> Ah, the timeless wisdom of Malaclypse the Younger.
08:21 <Schism> But of course.
08:22 <Cepheid> Ah nothing like a good stretch.
08:22 <Cepheid> Wonder why Spitfire just meowed though.
08:22 <Schism> Meowse, perhaps.
08:24 <Finwe> A cat meows not because it has to, but because it can.
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08:25 <Cepheid> The reason why I question him meowing mostly has to do with the fact that he rarely ever let's out a full, proper meow.
08:25 <Cepheid> It is always some sort of "mrrr!" or chirping noise to get my attention.
08:26 <Finwe> According to my observations, the cats can and will meow, even loudly, when they think that their meal time is at hand but no cat food is in their bowl.
08:26 <Finwe> Mr Thelema5.
08:26 * Finwe doffs his hat.
08:26 <Cepheid> The only times I hear him properly meow is when special food(tuna) is involved, there is a cat outside, or something has his attention.
08:26 <Schism> Well, it is 4:30, which is the proper time for a cat to be fed.
08:27 <Cepheid> It isn't meal time yet. They generally get their treats and food at 5:30 or 6:00.
08:27 <Cepheid> As those are when my parents wake up. On top of that...
08:27 <Cepheid> Spitfire isn't the one who meows for food. Tizzy is.
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08:28 <Cepheid> Every morning like clockwork, she pulls out her kitten meow and just sits at my parents bedroom door and chirps, chirrups and let's out small kitten-sounding meows.
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08:29 <Cepheid> For an animal that scientists say don't have a concept of time, they sure seem to know when it is time for my parents to get up.
08:29 <Schism> Perhaps it's the fault of all those chirping birds.
08:31 <Cepheid> Perhaps.
08:31 <Cepheid> But it doesn't explain it when Winter comes along.
08:32 <Cepheid> https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-xv-modder-brings-1997-to-the-game-1827600042 ahahaha
08:37 <Cepheid> Ye know, the game Brandish on the SNES does an interesting way of weapon degradation.
08:37 <Cepheid> You will find weapons that break over the course of an area, but if you explore enough or kill the boss of the area, you can find permanent, indestructible variants of the weapons.
08:38 <Schism> Oh?
08:38 * Schism ahhs, and hmms.
08:38 <Cepheid> Breath of the Wild should have done that. Put indestructible weapons behind powerful bosses and/or difficult challenges.
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08:41 <Cepheid> Tizzy heard movement from my parents room. Let the meowing begin.
08:46 <Schism> Interesting game, Shatter. Well, dead simple, but interesting anyway. Basically, it's Arkanoid with a twist.
08:48 <Schism> Only thing different really is that you can hold the mouse button to draw things towards your paddle, which is pretty important for gathering shards (for points) and getting your ball to hit the blocks at a better angle.
08:49 <Cepheid> Heh.
08:53 <Cepheid> Touhou Genso Wanderer: > Patchouli-san coughs. > Patchouli-san takes 5 damage. > Patchouli-san explodes!
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08:57 <Cepheid> I think today I shall play some Mystery Dungeon. For some reason I seem drawn to them at the moment.
08:58 <Schism> Pokemon Mystery Dungeon?
08:58 * Schism also hmms, and decides to make some food. Namely, mushroom rice with cheddar cheese and sriracha.
09:01 <Schism> Or maybe just some KD with mushroom soup.
09:02 <Schism> And garlic. o4o
09:02 <ConfusionRift> Garlic everything!!!
09:02 <Schism> OF course!
09:03 <Finwe> Ooh, garlic.
09:03 * Finwe drools on ConfusionRift.
09:03 * ConfusionRift eats garlic raw.
09:03 <ConfusionRift> ...
09:03 <ConfusionRift> That was a big mistake.
09:03 * Schism doesn't eat it raw. But does have it in many a concoction. Onions, on the other hand, are good raw. In salads, especially. o3o
09:04 <Finwe> Indeed.
09:04 <Finwe> Red onions especially.
09:04 <Finwe> With olives, cucumber, tomato, lettuce and feta cheese. o3o
09:04 <Finwe> With some lemon juice, olive oil and salt.
09:05 <Schism> Don't forget the spinach. o5o
09:05 * Schism rolls over and boops Surry with some carrot cake!
09:06 <Cepheid> Okay Spitfire, no idea what that was about, but alrighty then! o3o
09:06 <Cepheid> And yeah, ConfusionRift? Don't eat garlic raw.
09:06 <Cepheid> It has none of the taste you expect.
09:07 <ConfusionRift> Yep! Am aware. :P
09:07 <Cepheid> It's like chewing into a peppercorn, only less crunchy.
09:07 <Cepheid> Schism: And no, Etrian Mystery Dungeon.
09:07 <Schism> Ah, of course.
09:08 <ConfusionRift> I actually did that once, thinking it would have that nice salty and saucy taste. Nope! It was bitter as heck! And super chewy.
09:08 <Cepheid> As for what Spitfire was doing, I come out of the washroom after taking asthma meds, and there he is standing there waiting for me. He runs off making a weird meowing noise, and I follow him into my room, where I grabbed my laptop and stuffs. I go downstairs, and he races after me. I turn to look at him?
09:08 <Cepheid> He immediately goes into black-cat posture.
09:08 <Cepheid> And starts hopping sideways.
09:09 <Finwe> o3o
09:10 <Schism> Okay then. o.o
09:10 <Cepheid> So I assumed he was playing. I put the laptop and stuff down on the ottoman, then start doing a little hopping dance as I approach him.
09:10 <Cepheid> He spazzes out, hops around a bit more, then runs down the stairs to the first landing.
09:10 <Cepheid> I chase after him, he rushes all the way downstairs. Unfortunately I had to stop there.
09:11 <Cepheid> I turn on the light to see, and look to my left. My dad's asleep in the spare room.
09:13 <Schism> Ooookay. Well, maybe he just thought that was weird?
09:15 <Cepheid> My dad didn't wake up.
09:15 <Cepheid> But yeah, I dunno what was up with my cat.
09:15 <Schism> Either way, Tizzy meowing up a storm yet?
09:15 <Cepheid> He... does that very, very rarely.
09:15 <Cepheid> And no, she's downstairs, laying down in her usual spot down there.
09:15 <Cepheid> After I chased Spitfire downstairs, I presume he wandered off to the shoes.
09:16 <Cepheid> I'm not sure if it's the smell, or the colour of the mat underneath(It's black, so he blends in,) or the proximity to the front door that he can see out of, but he likes laying down among the shoes.
09:20 <Schism> Almost certainly the camouflage.
09:20 * Schism noms on his mushroom garlic KD.
09:26 <Cepheid> Hmm..
09:41 <Cepheid> Mathematics, always fun.
09:57 <Finwe> Yup.
09:58 <Cepheid> In this case, some special matrix mathematics to transform the range 0 to N to the range -1 to 1.
09:58 <Cepheid> Well, 0 to N and 0 to M, where N is the width of a 2D plane and M is the height of a 2D plane.
09:58 <Schism> Hmm. Davey Wreden wants to write a game which doesn't rely on a player's expectations of the future to motivate them.
09:59 * Cepheid has the matrix already, fortunately.
09:59 * Schism hmms, too, and nods to Cepheid.
10:05 <Cepheid> Annoyingly there's some weirdness about it all.
10:05 <Cepheid> See, if I want to apply a new projection matrix, say, to set the ranges of 0 to N and 0 to M to -500 to 500 each respectively, it's not as simple as using a standard projection matrix.
10:06 <Schism> Hmm. Whysat?
10:10 <Cepheid> It's hard to explain, so bear with me. Drawing operations with GDI and such all work in device coordinates. So (0,0) is in the upper-left or lower-left, depending on the API, while (Width, Height) represents the opposite corner. An identity projection matrix will simply keep this setup. In 3D graphics like D3D, OpenGL, Vulkan and Metal, Normalized Device Coordinates are used.
10:12 <Schism> Which is all requisite for adjusting based on resolution amongst other factors.
10:12 <Cepheid> Something like that. There are ups and downs to working in either approach.
10:14 <Schism> Out of curiosity, why are you using -1 to 1, and not 0 to 1?
10:15 <Cepheid> I want the origin to be defined as the center of the "screen"
10:22 <Cepheid> It appears I got it working this time.
10:22 <Schism> Huh. What kept it from working?
10:23 <Cepheid> Okay, I was wrong, it ISN'T working. Almost there, though.
10:25 <Cepheid> When everything is set to the identity matrix, a fourth matrix is what translates it from Normalized Device Coordinates to Device/Window Coordinates. That fourth matrix however, is dependent on what the projection matrix is set to.
10:25 <Cepheid> I think said matrix is set by glViewport in OpenGL, so if I looked up that function..
10:27 <Cepheid> https://www.khronos.org/registry/OpenGL-Refpages/gl4/html/glViewport.xhtml Yup.
10:29 <Cepheid> The way OpenGL operates is: Vertices are transformed by the Modelview Matrix(A combination of a Model matrix and View matrix), then transformed to Normalized Device Coordinates by the Projection Matrix, then transformed to device coordinates by, presumably an internal, hardware Viewport matrix.
10:49 <Cepheid> Success!
10:52 <ConfusionRift> Sleep time. Laters!
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11:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1274 [ http://tinyurl.com/yb82puzl ]
11:07 * Cepheid hands Schism a plush of Mononobe no Futo, Touhou character who is a self-proclaimed shikaisen, and has the power of Feng Shui. Also a pyromaniac.
11:07 * Schism listens to her theme.
11:28 <Cepheid> I've seen a bit of the story in Genso Wanderer, apparently, Futo likes to set fire to stuff she doesn't like. She tried to set the game's "Yokai Village" on fire, as well as a shop.
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11:31 <Schism> A bit different from pyromania, which is when you set things on fire to watch the pretty flames. o3o
11:32 <Schism> (Joking, I know there are various reasons behind pyromania.)
11:32 * Finwe changed to shorts and T-shirt.
11:33 <Finwe> It's a bit more tolerable this way.
11:33 <Cepheid> To be honest, the more I see the characters talk in the various Touhou games.. The more the characters of the world seem a tad unhinged to me.
11:39 <Schism> Well, most aren't human, but are instead forces of nature or something -- and those who are haven't exactly been raised to be normal.
11:40 <Cepheid> True.
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12:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Comics: Fun Couples Game / Sweet Socks / AoS 2.24 / Off Field #23 / Bunny Pupper / Empty Halls #29 [ http://tinyurl.com/y75uh8e2 ]
12:04 <Cepheid> All that complex matrix math has made the rest of the math I need much easier.
12:05 <Cepheid> Apparently some more mice have been crushed.
12:05 <Cepheid> Or at least had their bodies cleaved in half by traps.
12:10 <Cepheid> I think I may go work outside for a bit today. That is, provided I wait for the sun to pass over the house a bit. I want to avoid glare from the sun on my screen.
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12:19 <Cepheid> I wonder which has a higher cost: Sprite sheets, or 3D models. They each have their limitations, and thus the cost associated with them is dependent on various factors. In the case of sprite sheets, the cost would be associated with size of the sprites, number of sprites, and number of colours used, mostly. 3D models would be cost of the model, cost of the texture, cost of the animation(Is it mo-capped? Facial
12:19 <Cepheid> animation?), any special effects that require shaders or custom code..
12:20 <Schism> Cepheid: Hopefully, the tide of mice will soon be stemmed.
12:21 <Cepheid> Well, like I said, my dad hasn't closed up the hole they're getting in from, and there are mice in the neighbourhood.
12:21 <Cepheid> Territorial or not, it's basically a haven for mice wanting to get away from cats.
12:26 * Cepheid listens to various remixes of Vampire Killer. Is slightly upset he'll never hear versions of it from Konami ever again because Konami is run by morons.
12:29 * Schism listens to Luxurious Overture. Is pretty shiny.
12:34 <Schism> Evidently Curse of the Moon is pretty decent.
12:34 <Cepheid> Let's see..
12:34 <Cepheid> Mmm. Not bad.
12:35 <Cepheid> Certainly has the style of "Castle Entrance" from other games.
12:35 * Schism nodnods.
12:35 <Cepheid> Especially ruined corridor from the Sorrow games.
12:36 <Cepheid> It'll be interesting to see the final product. See what kind of story Iga came up with.
12:36 <Schism> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY7hj-pONI4 > Also very good.
12:36 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
12:36 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Octopath Traveler OST - Boss Battle Theme
12:36 <Cepheid> Ah, yeah.
12:36 <Cepheid> It fits the battles I find.
12:37 <Cepheid> Still waiting on that to arrive, too.
12:37 <Cepheid> Haven't decided who's story I'll start with.
12:38 <Cepheid> Tressa seems fun.
12:38 <Schism> I've gotta admit, the way that's set up reminds me partly of 7th Saga and partly of Seiken Densetsu 3.
12:39 <Cepheid> While the game's artistic style is apparently reminiscent of the SaGa games.
12:39 <Cepheid> Particularly Romancing SaGa.
12:39 <Cepheid> Which solves the "Where did I see this style?" question.
12:40 <Schism> Ah, thaaaat looks about right.
12:48 <Cepheid> That cat of mine is dextrous, I'll give him that.
12:48 <Cepheid> Went to clip his claws. I had to get him in a seated position so I could reach his paws and claws. Every time I picked him up, he somehow managed to turn himself 180 degrees IN MY HAND.
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12:55 <Cepheid> Hum. Random off-topic question. Of all the various monsters, yokai, spirits and the like out there Schism, which would you say best represents you? Or rather, which would you prefer to be?
12:55 <Schism> Still gotta go with kitsune.
12:56 <Schism> Oh, cool. Tara Strong'll be the voice of Saves-A-Fox in the Goblins animated series.
12:57 <Cepheid> Heh.
12:59 <Cepheid> Myself, pretty much anything that is defined as immortal. Most probably a vampire, given my nature for being up all night. That said, I wouldn't do any real fighting as an immortal entity. I'll leave that to all my machines. If I had the time, I'd pick up welding, electronics, machining alongside programming.
13:01 <Schism> S'long as it doesn't give you a penalty against fire damage.
13:04 <Cepheid> Though OC-wise is pretty much the same, except one particular detail: Immortality was gained through brain scan installed into an android. 'Course, it raises questions of the soul, and emotions among other things, but I'm going to intentionally be vague about the soul part, while emotions are handled via software modules that can be enabled/disabled at any time.
13:04 <Schism> Neural networks are a bit odd in that regard.
13:05 <Cepheid> The whole concept of existence is complicated in that manner.
13:05 <Schism> Oh, no question there.
13:05 <Cepheid> Assuming two identical individuals, what makes one individual's experiences distinct from the clone's experiences?
13:06 <Schism> I'm the good one, shoot us both!
13:06 <Cepheid> Hence the vagueness of that aspect.
13:06 <Schism> I mean, well, that's true.
13:06 <Cepheid> I really, really don't want to get into that stuff.
13:06 <Cepheid> Not that it's a dangerous rabbit hole or anything, it's just...
13:06 <Cepheid> I can analyze it forever and never come to a definitive answer or explanation that'd suit me.
13:08 <Cepheid> Though if I did have to make a decision, I'd take the "living creatures with consciousness exist in multiple dimensions." approach.
13:12 * Schism nodnods.
13:13 <Schism> The difficulty of solipsism is that the box has a hard time containing itself.
13:13 <Schism> ... Hm. I'm sure glad that we know who orchestrated these events which, I would like to remind everyone, never happened. The people responsible for these fictitious events should be locked up.
13:13 <Cepheid> Can the set of sets contain itself?
13:14 <Schism> Can the set of sets also contain a description of itself?
13:14 * Schism quines around the channel.
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13:16 <Cepheid> Personally, I'm of the opinion that the truth about how existence came about should be kept secret. It is not something anyone or anything should ever know. I just get this incredibly bad feeling when I consider the idea of someone figuring out or learning the truth.
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13:19 <Schism> It is said that, should someone learn both the Question and the Answer, the entire universe will be shut down and instantaneously (to our view) be replaced by an even stranger one. Some posit that this has already happened.
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13:21 <Schism> (Well, the quote is this one instead. https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/2397-there-is-a-theory-which-states-that-if-ever-anyone )
13:21 <Cepheid> Mmhmm, assuming a simulation, one could also assume that the simulation has been paused countless times, but we'd never notice it
13:22 <Schism> There is also Last Thursdayism, but that's a pile of worms.
13:22 <Cepheid> The problem is pretty accurately depicted with tick-based AI in games.
13:22 <Cepheid> No matter how much time has passed between "ticks" of the AI processing for games, as far as they are aware, the world is progressing at some steady pace.
13:23 <Schism> Indeed. The fact that, for the sake of our perceptions, one vibration of a hydrogen atom is the smallest unit of time we can process (a cosmic tick, as it were) doesn't change that.
13:24 <Schism> Or an electron, I should say, not a hydrogen atom.
13:26 <Schism> One question I want to know. If the universe runs off an external computer, then what's the processing time to an outside observer, relative to Planck time in here?
13:26 <Cepheid> Indeed. Relative to how we perceive the world, each distinct "tick" in the universe could actually take minutes, hours, days, months, years, decades, centuries or millennia outside of the simulation. And we cannot tell. The only way you'd be able to tell is if there was a timestamp associated with each tick of the universe, and it was somehow readable by the inhabitants.
13:28 <Cepheid> Hell, to be honest, it's entirely probable as well that the simulation has outright been stopped and restarted on newer hardware.
13:28 <Cepheid> We can store data on devices. There's no reason why if existence is a simulation, the same cannot be done with the simulation data.
13:29 <Cepheid> Stop the simulation, transfer the data to a storage device, shove storage device in a new machine, transfer simulation to new machine, restart simulation. And everything within would never notice.
13:29 <Schism> Indeed.
13:29 <Stormspark> but if this reality is a simulation, then there MUST be a real reality somewhere
13:29 <Cepheid> Unless, of course, there was a mistake in in the processing elements.
13:29 <Cepheid> I mean, we've got evidence of bugs in CPUs throughout the history of computing.
13:29 <Schism> Stormspark, how do you define 'real' under these circumstances? There might be another turtle.
13:30 <Cepheid> You'd also notice things like accuracy of mathematics improving or worsening depending on the hardware.
13:30 <Schism> And another turtle...
13:30 <Schism> Heh. Remember that 'missing number' SCP? X3
13:30 <Cepheid> For example, we say that the smallest measurable unit of time is the vibration of an electron, that's fine.
13:30 <Cepheid> But what if that measurement were to suddenly get more precise?
13:30 <Cepheid> What would that mean?
13:31 <Cepheid> Did our equipment get better? Or did something fundamental about the nature of existence change?
13:31 <Schism> Well, tis not, actually - tis the time it takes light to travel across the smallest meaningful distance, which I think equates to 1x10^-44m.
13:31 <Stormspark> it's a neat thought experiment
13:31 <Cepheid> Regardless, the scenario stands.
13:31 <Stormspark> I don't *necessarily* think it's the case, but I've toyed with the idea of this "reality" being a simulation most of my life
13:31 <Schism> But indeed. If things change. What if the speed of light became different?
13:31 <Stormspark> I don't feel like I belong in it
13:31 <Cepheid> If the measurement changes, what does it mean for us?
13:32 <Stormspark> if it is a simulation, I'm from outside it
13:32 <Schism> Time dilation based on light would be particularly trippy.
13:32 <Cepheid> Come to #EquestriaDaily, discuss metaphysics(Is that what this topic is?), physics and the nature of everything! ... Except ponies.
13:33 <Cepheid> Isn't that actually a thing?
13:33 <Schism> Not sure if it qualifies as metaphysics? Might as well.
13:33 <Schism> http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-033 - Also, here's that missing number.
13:34 <Stormspark> brb
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13:35 <Cepheid> The more distressing thing to consider about the whole simulation concept as well..
13:35 <Cepheid> Bugs that halt the simulation unexpectedly and result in a rollback of data.
13:35 <Cepheid> Again, you would never notice.
13:36 <Stormspark> unless you are not actually "in" the simulation, but plugged into it on the outside like the matrix
13:36 <Cepheid> And yet, so far, none of us has noticed anything of the sort.
13:37 <Stormspark> deja vu, memories you can't explain, past lives, etc
13:38 <Stormspark> waking up one day and having something that had happened in the world be different, and you're the only one that remembers the "old" way and yet it's always been that way
13:38 <Stormspark> I'm up to like...12 occurrences of that in my life now
13:38 <Cepheid> The problem is that there are major events that have occurred that have not undergone that sort of thing.
13:38 <Cepheid> And by major, I'm talking the world-changing kind of events.
13:38 <Cepheid> Not something that you expressly have experienced.
13:39 <Schism> You sure? Quite a lot of people believe that Nelson Mandela died in prison.
13:39 <Stormspark> well, if memories are being altered as you say
13:39 <Cepheid> As for past lives, that could in theory be explained in a computational sense.
13:39 <Stormspark> and most people's memories are altered
13:39 <Stormspark> and only a small number of them have the process not work
13:39 <Cepheid> I mean..
13:39 <Schism> Oh, and in regards to deja vu. Cepheid, Stormspark, you've both had these tiny dreams which eventually happen, /small/ events which you eventually get to and realize, "Wait, I had a dream about that..."
13:40 <Stormspark> I'm just giving examples
13:40 <Cepheid> It's a complicated issue, because the question becomes how the memory is distorted depends on implementation details.
13:40 <Schism> I mean, I gather you have. I have, certainly, or have felt like I have.
13:40 <Cepheid> For example, when the simulation borks, does it dump memory, and when restarted, does it use the memory dump to try and recover as much data as possible?
13:40 <Cepheid> In such a case, the loss of "memory" would probably be a very short timeframe.
13:41 <Schism> How about this? A speculative execution bug. :>
13:41 <Cepheid> Heh.
13:41 <Stormspark> I've had deja vu of things that haven't happened yet. As in, got hte feeling that "x was going to happen, but I don't know when" only to have it happen exactly as I saw
13:41 <Stormspark> those are rare but it has happened
13:41 <Cepheid> And yes, I have had dreams and weird visions of things happening that I swear haven't happened before.
13:41 <Schism> I swear speculative execution would explain those. XD;
13:41 <Stormspark> my roommate had a bunny as a child, he remembers 2 distinct set of events as to how it died, both contradictory
13:42 <Stormspark> I've also definitely had a past life. And I was not anything even close to human
13:42 <Cepheid> Memory is tricky though, for one reason
13:42 <Stormspark> I'm just saying that even if reality is a simulation, WE may not be
13:42 <Stormspark> not everyone anyway
13:42 <Schism> We don't operate off single-storage media.
13:42 <Stormspark> some people I swaer are simulations
13:42 <Cepheid> Memory as I understand it has been "figured out" so to speak.
13:43 <Stormspark> we could be in the "real" reality and connected to the simulation like the matrix
13:43 <Cepheid> The problem is that when we recall the memory, we're reconstructing the scene, and that itself gets re-stored in place of the old memory.
13:43 <Cepheid> Problem is, that recovery is imperfect. Put more simply..
13:43 <Cepheid> The more times you recall a memory, the more corrupted it becomes.
13:44 <Schism> It reads and writes at the same time. We read a memory, parse it in the context of the current situation, and then write back.
13:44 <Cepheid> Indeed.
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13:44 <Cepheid> Which itself causes corruption because small details from the current situation work their way into the reconstruction.
13:46 <Cepheid> Plus, deja vu could in theory be expressed as the parts of our brain that handle different tasks, such audio or visual processing, to create new special neurons to "capture" inputs, but these inputs are simply generic.
13:47 <Cepheid> For example, my brain could currently be wired to spot a generic "cat" outline in different poses because I spotted a pose similar to it in the past.
13:47 <Cepheid> And when I think I've seen a cat in that position before, when I swear I haven't, the reality is disturbing: I have seen a cat in a pose that is SIMILAR to what I am observing, but not identical. But it is not, for reasons unknown, linked to my previous memory.
13:48 * Cepheid is going insane, he thinks.
13:48 <Schism> Well, that is in part why pareidolia exists.
13:49 <Cepheid> Right.
13:49 <Cepheid> I'm actually kind of perturbed at how some of this stuff, especially the visual stuff, was discovered.
13:50 <roflin> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr_gROZmTtA
13:50 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
13:50 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about HAKEN - Pareidolia (OFFICIAL VIDEO)
13:50 <Cepheid> Apparently it utilized cats with electrodes implanted into their brains to monitor certain neuron bundles among other things.
13:50 <Schism> That is how this sort of progress tends to happen, sadly.
13:59 <Cepheid> I should wander off and take a shower soon.
13:59 <Cepheid> Also, today instead of aleve I took some tylenol. My head and face are strangely doing better today.
14:06 <Razor> I'd say it's instantiations of abstractions, which are always going to be weird, because the abstract is specifically non-specific.
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14:09 <Cepheid> In all it's a fun, complex topic.
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14:17 <Cepheid> Apparently, a weapon in Touhou: Genso Wanderer is Koumo's PHANTOM.
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14:25 <Schism> "Without using the Architect, beat Rogue Legacy dying 15 times or less." ...
14:25 <Schism> I don't think so.
14:25 <Cepheid> Heh.
14:26 <Finwe> o3o
14:26 <Finwe> The FIFA hoofball world cup final starts in half an hour.
14:26 * Schism blows a vuvuzela.
14:26 * Finwe Croatia caps on Schism.
14:27 * Cepheid hooks up ten vuvuzelas to a contraption and puts compressed air through it.
14:28 * Schism hooks up several flamethrowers in a row, and tries to cook a flying shrimp with them. He fails.
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14:44 <Schism> Cepheid: You should totally play a bit more Clustertruck, try to beat my no-abilities times. o5o
14:45 <Finwe> I accidentally read f instead of tr.
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14:46 <Finwe> Mr Pi.
14:46 * Finwe doffs his hat.
14:46 <Schism> Finwe: That's certainly not what the title is meant to evoke, of course not, that would be silly.
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14:57 <Cepheid> Huh, there appears to be research evidence in Neuron suggesting the possibility of viruses causing Alzheimer's, indirectly.
14:58 <Schism> Certainly not unbelievable.
14:58 <RazorSharpFang> Darn computer viruses.
15:00 <Schism> "Beat the game without using abilities." You bet your butt I'm gonna...
15:00 * Finwe noms on RazorSharpFang's virus protection.
15:00 <RazorSharpFang> Anyway I'm off to sleep, cyas.
15:00 <Cepheid> According to the report, viruses that reach the brain cause it to produce and deposit a protein. Said protein was initially thought to be a waste product, but the report suggests that it's more a reaction to the presence of the viruses.
15:01 <Cepheid> Presumably like an immune response. 'Course, what happens if this protein is produced out of control because it doesn't deal with the virus properly?
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15:01 <Schism> Hmmm. Now the question is, can that protein be broken down without affecting other parts of the brain?
15:02 <Cepheid> Or would antiviral treatments be effective when they are spotted moving towards the brain?
15:03 <Cepheid> ...
15:03 <Cepheid> I'm watching House Hunters. One of the people is a yoga instructor, the other is a part-time helper around the yoga facility and a stunt man. Their budget is $600,000
15:03 <Cepheid> I... what?
15:03 <Cepheid> Where the hell do you get that kind of money from *THOSE* kinds of professions?
15:05 <Cepheid> I'm going to assume bank loans with incredible amounts of interest.
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15:18 <Cepheid> Huh.
15:18 <Cepheid> Schism, Spitfire isn't as much of a mouser as we thought.
15:18 <Cepheid> Apparently there's been a dead mouse on the floor in the furnace for a while. It was untouched by the cats.
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15:48 <Cepheid> One thing I dislike about the new LED lightbulbs in my bathroom, is that they make the dark spots under my eyes worse.
15:57 <Schism> The solution, then, is to put in more LED lightbulbs. Just in the floor. Or something.
15:57 <Finwe> o3o
15:58 * Schism puts a Finwe-hat onto Filly_Nightmares' head.
15:58 * Finwe noms on Filly_Nightmares from off his lofty position.
15:58 <Cepheid> By worse, I mean that they're more visible.
15:58 <Cepheid> Black/blue/purple "triangles" underneath my eyes. I look like I haven't slept in days.
15:58 <Schism> I know how ya mean. Bleh.
15:58 <Cepheid> Probably my sinus infection physically showing it's presence.
16:02 <Cepheid> Okay, so you have a simple polygon model editor. You can place vertices, and connect two vertices to create an edge between them. At least one complete polygon with three sides minimum is required.
16:02 <Cepheid> Obviously, this means three basic tools: Vertex tool for placing vertices. Line/Edge tool for creating edges. Polygon tool for creating complete polygon loops.
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16:04 <Cepheid> Bleh, this is always a problem for me, how to design a working UI.
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16:07 <Cepheid> In vertex mode, I'm thinking primary-click selects a vertex. Secondary-click places a vertex. Delete key deletes the selected vertex. Line/Edge mode, primary-click selects an edge, secondary-click on two vertices in succession creates an edge between them if one doesn't exist. Delete key deletes the selected edge. Polygon mode, same principle, only loop creation continues until the original vertex is clicked again.
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16:09 <Cepheid> Alternatively, I can get rid of the polygon tool and use a graph to detect loops. There's a form of graph I recall reading about that can be used to do so.
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16:11 <Cepheid> I need at least one cycle because it's meant to represent the "body" of the polygonal model for collision detection.
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16:25 <LibrarianofHope> Hi
16:25 <LibrarianofHope> I dont get it
16:26 <Cepheid> Don't get what?
16:26 <LibrarianofHope> My bro would, he is an animator
16:26 <Schism> It! *waves hooves*
16:26 <LibrarianofHope> Model collisuon
16:26 <Cepheid> Ah.
16:26 <LibrarianofHope> Random question, do you like pawn stars?
16:27 <LibrarianofHope> I find it relaxing
16:27 <Cepheid> Basically the graph I recall utilizing was a standard bidirectional graph. Between each vertex there was an interior edge and an exterior edge. The interior edges were used to find faces, while the exterior edges represented the "outside."
16:28 <LibrarianofHope> I sorta understood that
16:29 * Schism offers LibrarianofHope an 8x8x8 cube of squares, and 64 queens. "Here, place each queen on the board such that none of them occupy the same place on the X, Y, or Z axis, nor diagonally."
16:30 <LibrarianofHope> Me blows up the cube
16:30 <Schism> (Well, not quite phrased right. So that no queen can take another queen.)
16:30 <LibrarianofHope> Missed the coomand code
16:30 <Cepheid> Eight queens problem, there's two basic computational solutions.
16:30 <LibrarianofHope> That reminds me
16:30 <Cepheid> Brute-force is the easiest one to do. Slow though.
16:30 <Cepheid> The other one, I forget what it is.
16:31 <LibrarianofHope> What is the most common or widespread coding ñanguage in the world?
16:31 <Cepheid> Currently? C.
16:32 <LibrarianofHope> I use an idea in my histories sorta like the matrix reality style
16:33 <LibrarianofHope> And i use codes instead of spells
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16:33 <Schism> Brute force... hm. There are a few algorithms for sorting which would work.
16:33 <Cepheid> Though I think that is slowly changing, the above.
16:33 <Cepheid> Java and C# are becoming quite popular, as are scripting languages like JavaScript
16:34 <Cepheid> That said, none will ever reach the capability of C. Most other languages were implemented using C.
16:34 <LibrarianofHope> They taught me to make simple ptograms on junior high
16:34 <LibrarianofHope> I made a calculator
16:35 <Cepheid> Probably in VisualBasic.
16:35 <LibrarianofHope> I took a fruit shake for breakfast owo
16:35 <LibrarianofHope> Im nauseos
16:36 <Schism> Cepheid: Now prove logically that the 8 queens problem cannot be solved on a square grid of size a when a>1 & a<4.
16:36 <LibrarianofHope> Cepheid, do you actually practice the rubber duckie programming style?
16:37 <Cepheid> Yes.
16:37 <Cepheid> Though less with a duck and more my cat.
16:37 <LibrarianofHope> Does the cat provide good insight?
16:37 <Cepheid> My cat just meows, so no, not really.
16:38 <LibrarianofHope> More interactive than the duck
16:38 <Cepheid> Basically, the concept works by slowing your thought processes down because you express the concept in words by speaking it.
16:38 <Cepheid> Among other reasons for it working.
16:38 <LibrarianofHope> My akita are having a long range conversation with the sorrounding dogs
16:38 <LibrarianofHope> Least the girl is
16:39 <LibrarianofHope> The boy is just looking at stufg
16:39 <Cepheid> I can't write code anymore. Brain stopped functioning.
16:39 <LibrarianofHope> In general or for the moment?
16:40 <Cepheid> For the moment.
16:41 <LibrarianofHope> How are cats in the color seeing department?
16:42 <Cepheid> Worse than humans.
16:42 <Cepheid> But they aren't color-blind.
16:43 <LibrarianofHope> The other day my akita girl made a cat angry
16:43 <Cepheid> As I understand it, they're far-sighted, their colour perception is lower than humans, and their eyesight at night is about six times better than that of a human's.
16:43 <LibrarianofHope> I picked her up from the bath and there was a cat in a rack by the entrance
16:43 <Cepheid> They have much better control over the light that the eye lets in, too.
16:44 <LibrarianofHope> She woke him up and he swipped at her in annoyance
16:44 <LibrarianofHope> No one got hurt
16:44 <LibrarianofHope> It was weird
16:45 <Cepheid> They have a wider field of view, 200 degrees, compared to humans at 180 degrees. Their peripheral vision appears to be better as well.
16:45 <Cepheid> Oh, and I got it backwards. Cats are nearsighted.
16:46 <Cepheid> What we can see clearly at 100-200 feet, cats have to be 20 feet away to see clearly.
16:46 <LibrarianofHope> I need a bath
16:47 <LibrarianofHope> I shall return later
16:47 <LibrarianofHope> Bye nii
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16:54 * Schism frowns, noting, "Obvious mathematical start is that every solution to the Eight Queens problem ensures that no queen is closer than sqrt(5) to any other."
16:56 <Stormspark> there are videos out there that show what cat vision looks like
16:56 <Stormspark> in a normal "dark" environment by human standards they can basically see as well as we do in lit areas
16:56 <Stormspark> this does not count fully enclosed pitch-black areas though, they do still need some light to see, they can just pick up much lower levels
16:59 <Cepheid> Yeah, it's basically akin to a low-level light being applied to a room.
17:00 <Cepheid> Enough to make out shapes and stuff in the environment, compared to us only being able to see edges at most.
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18:24 <Vulpor> Oh my gosh Summer Camp Island is the best!
18:24 * Ali headtilts
18:25 <Vulpor> Only 2 episodes in
18:26 <Vulpor> holy crap this is so good
18:31 <Vulpor> Ali have you seen it?
18:31 <Ali> Nope
18:32 <Vulpor> Its kinda like Adventure Time
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18:50 <Finwe> The 'Murrican president just landed here.
18:50 <Ali> Run while you still can!
18:51 <Finwe> He's causing a lot of congestion and flight noise.
18:52 <Finwe> Many major roads are closed while he's getting from the airport to his hotel.
18:55 <SunsetShimmer> Lol
18:59 <Cepheid> For a man full of so much hot air I am surprised he doesn't just use a blimp.
19:00 <SunsetShimmer> I think he's had enough of those this week
19:01 * Stormspark hugs Ali
19:01 * Ali squeaks, why all the attention!?
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19:05 * Stormspark dunno!
19:10 <SunsetShimmer> She deserves some!
19:12 <Stormspark> there isn't a blimp big enough to lift him
19:12 <Stormspark> I don't think Luna, Celestia, Twilight, and Cadence working together could even lift him
19:13 <Schism> Oh, I'm sure he's not as heavy as he looks. After all, those tiny hands must take off a lot of weight.
19:15 <Stormspark> yeah
19:15 <Stormspark> maybe he'll have a heart attack or something
19:15 <Stormspark> we can only hoep
19:15 <Stormspark> *hope
19:16 <Schism> Anyway.
19:16 * Schism hopes the Finwe can get around tomorrow when necessary.
19:17 * Ali boops Stormspark and SunsetShimmer
19:18 <SunsetShimmer> X3
19:18 * Stormspark falls over and thuds
19:24 <Schism> Cepheid: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/
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19:50 <Vulpor> ok after binging 10 episodes of Summercamp Island I highly reccomend it
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19:56 <RiffMusicPony> sup
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20:05 <Schism> Cepheid: Keep an eye out, fires are spreading all across northern Ontario.
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20:16 * PinkieShy wishes he was a evangelist.
20:16 <PinkieShy> Maybe i can make this dream come true. :D
20:16 <Schism> Trust me, that's not a good wish.
20:16 <PinkieShy> I believe I can do it.
20:16 <PinkieShy> Schism doesn't an Evangelist help those that don't believe to Believe in the lord?
20:16 <PinkieShy> And even preach the word of god?
20:18 <Schism> Ehhhh kinda, and I'm fine with many, but the concern is that the evangelical movement in the United States is extraordinarily tainted.
20:18 <Cepheid> Also a lot of people don't like being preached to about something they don't believe or want to believe in.
20:19 <PinkieShy> I think the problem when most unbelievers is that they just don't simply.. Understand.
20:19 <Stormspark> speaking for myself, if someone approached me with that, I would TRY to be nice and just say no thanks, I'm not interested, please don't bring it up to me again
20:19 <Stormspark> if they did it after I told them not to, I would NOT hold back
20:19 <PinkieShy> I find it almost impossible to cuss now..
20:19 <PinkieShy> Its like it would take everything in me to cuss O_O
20:19 <Schism> I understand your desire to spread the good word, and I appreciate that you have the best of intentions, but actions have always spoken louder than words.
20:20 <Stormspark> eh, language has never bothered me. They are just words
20:20 <PinkieShy> Schism I would share a story with you.. But I won't unless you guys want to hear about it.
20:20 <Stormspark> I know when it is appropriate and not appropriate to use words like that though
20:20 <Cepheid> I'll be honest PinkieShy, I am holding a considerable amount of restraint right now.
20:20 <PinkieShy> Its about the time i had a seizure and what i found out a few months after that had happened.
20:21 * Schism holds up a hoof. "Let's give it a miss for now."
20:21 <Stormspark> in guild chat during a raid (I don't play WOW anymore but as an example)? Totally fine. At work, or in general SFW chats? Not appropriate
20:21 <Cepheid> Agreed, Schism.
20:29 <Schism> Couple of fires in Ottawa today. Nothing about the house down the street from you, though.
20:30 <Cepheid> Heh.
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20:31 <Cepheid> That house is gone completely. All that remains is an overgrown hole filled with cement rubble.
20:31 <Schism> I still halfway expect it to catch fire.
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20:31 <Stormspark> I saw a building burn down a couple years ago. But it was intentional (controlled burning by the fire dept) and there was a new apartment complex put up there
20:32 <Stormspark> considering it was right across the street from the fire dept, it should've been obvious in retrospect
20:33 <Cepheid> Truth told Schism, so is the rest of the community. It has plant material for fuel after all.
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20:37 <Cepheid> Storm, this house has a mysterious and suspicious history of going up in flames. Initially it started off in redevelopment hell. No progress for years. Burns down. Next few years it is rebuilt. Goes on market for 1.2 million. Outrageous price for location. Then drops to 1 million.
20:38 <Cepheid> Then back in January, just as it is finished being built, it goes up in flames again.
20:38 <Cepheid> Queue investigation as a suspicious fire. Then in March, the remains go up in flames.
20:40 <Cepheid> Finally it is demolished and all that remains is a hole filled with the rocky remains of the foundation, and a bunch of plants encroaching into it.
20:40 <Schism> "The third time usually indicates insurance fraud."
20:42 <Cepheid> Truth told the first fire was treated as suspicious as well due to how bloody fast it went up, and the intensity.
20:43 <Cepheid> By the time the fire department got there, they were better off hosing the houses next door, since they were close to catching fire. One house suffered extensive damage to the exterior wall. Melted siding and blackened wood.
20:44 <Cepheid> It was a total loss. All that remained were pieces of charcoal and a single wooden pillar that somehow survived and was still standing. Just barely.
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20:48 <Schism> Hm. Cepheid, do you or your folks use frozen berries?
20:51 <Cepheid> Yes, why?
20:51 <Schism> There's a recall on the Europe's Best berry mix. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/frozen-berry-mixes-recalled-due-to-possible-salmonella-contamination-1.4013378
20:52 <Cepheid> They are aware.
20:52 * Schism nodnods, "Alrighty then."
20:52 <Stormspark> yeah I'd say "put on market at ridiculous price, burn down to scam insurance"
20:56 <Cepheid> The primary reason the price is ridiculous is that we are along the outer edges of the city. Oh, and not 100 meters down the road is the busiest street in the city. No one wants to live next to that.
20:58 <Cepheid> With exception to one stubborn person, every single house along that noisy and busy street has been boarded up, waiting for demolition.
20:59 <Schism> It sounds like an excellent opportunity to build a strip mall.
21:01 <Cepheid> You mean like the numerous open malls we have along it?
21:01 <Schism> Exactly! What's one more?
21:02 <Cepheid> The road is busy. Very busy. Four lanes,and the crosswalk wait times are ridiculous. Nearly five minutes, with less than 30 seconds to cross.
21:02 <Cepheid> Nearly got hit a few times trying to cross it.
21:03 <Cepheid> Its so busy that they ended up building a bypass around Blackburn Hamlet, because the road going through there is two lanes, and has numerous intersections.
21:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: EnergyTone - Пони-почтальон [Rock] [ http://tinyurl.com/y726cayd ]
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21:04 <Schism> Nothing with the word 'bypass' in it is ever good.
21:04 <Cepheid> Actually the bypass worked.
21:05 <Schism> Oh! Well then. o.o I am surprised.
21:05 <Cepheid> Relieved traffic in Blackburn Hamlet considerably.
21:05 <Cepheid> I know this because that's where I used to live from 2000 to 2006.
21:06 <Cepheid> But yeah, for some reason this end of the city is popular and busy.
21:07 <Cepheid> One of the highest traffic streets, highest transit ridership...
21:07 <Cepheid> The traffic here is partly why they are putting the LRT in.
21:09 <Cepheid> Even the highway is being expanded in this end. Two lanes to four. For some reason, there are a lot of people who travel to, from, or through Orleans and East End in general.
21:10 <Cepheid> Not like there is much out past the East end of Ottawa. Just leads to Quebec. And who wants to go there?
21:14 <Schism> People who want cheaper maple syrup. o3o
21:14 <Cepheid> Or maple syrup smugglers.
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21:18 <Cepheid> To be honest, that maple syrup smuggling is a thing makes me face palm.
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21:21 <Schism> So, the PC government is cancelling renewable energy contracts. They say it'll save ratepayers money! (I have my doubts.) And in order to make sure that ratepayers save money, they're going to push legislation so that the burden of the contract cancellations somehow doesn't fall on them.
21:22 <Schism> Somehow, this does not strike me as particularly responsible.
21:23 <Cepheid> It isn't. I get the impression this is all gonna blow up in their faces really quickly.
21:26 <Schism> It goes hand-on-throat with their cancellation of the incentive program for those who purchased electric and hydrogen vehicles.
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21:29 <Cepheid> Calling it now though: within half a year, news breaks that the PC party pocketed all the money personally. Also the party is being bribed to cancel all this stuff
21:31 <Schism> Is this before or after Doug Ford is found doing lines of cocaine off Jordan Peterson's desk?
21:33 <Schism> Sorry, sorry, I'll stop.
21:38 * Schism takes a nap for an hour or so.
21:40 <Cepheid> I need to sleep, myself.
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22:15 <Finwe> !plot
22:15 <DerpyBot> *wigglewiggle*
22:15 <Finwe> *wigglewiggle*
22:15 <Finwe> !lullaby
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22:15 <Finwe> Good night, everypony!
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