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00:33 <Cepheid> Righty-o, bedtime for me.
00:33 <Cepheid> See you all tomorrow.
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00:55 <Cepheid> Man I dunno why but my body aches a lot. Probably from lugging that hefty bag around.
01:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: 20 of the Best Rarity Comics for Rarity Day! [ http://tinyurl.com/yatnygfd ]
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01:32 <Emmis> owo
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02:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1556 [ http://tinyurl.com/y9v7ubtm ]
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02:28 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
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02:43 <filly`Coco> Hay
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02:46 <Thelema5> " "
02:46 <Airquotes> uwu
02:48 <Thelema5> welcome to a chat, Airquotes
02:48 <Thelema5> how are you?
02:53 <Airquotes> I am alive, I think.
02:54 <Thelema5> The evidence on my end seems to confirm that
02:55 <Airquotes> Neat. We have consensus.
02:55 * DashedRainbows licks Thelema5
02:55 * Thelema5 tastes of corn chowder
02:57 <Thelema5> I'm worried about Pinkieshy- there's a hurricane headed for them
02:58 <Thelema5> "Florence was upgraded twice Monday, from Category 3 to 4, prompting evacuation orders in coastal areas of North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia"
02:58 <Thelema5> I wonder if they've gone inland to stay with their grandmother
03:04 * DashedRainbows licks Thelema5 again. hmm, and how are you?
03:04 <Thelema5> I'm okay. You?
03:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Shadow Spade Investigates - (Happy Rarity Day 2018) [ http://tinyurl.com/y9fg6h75 ]
03:10 <DashedRainbows> meh
03:10 <DashedRainbows> I'm having a hard time getting discord support for my bot
03:11 <DashedRainbows> the irc support is imminent though
03:11 <Thelema5> Coo
03:12 <DashedRainbows> not really
03:13 <Thelema5> I imagine Discord has a long backlog
03:14 <DashedRainbows> my "server", nah
03:14 <DashedRainbows> or maybe
03:14 <Thelema5> Meh, I don't really know how that works
03:16 <DashedRainbows> the only code I can find is rather gross
03:20 <DashedRainbows> so gross I gave up on integration and instead am going the 'build it, drop it in and try not to vomit'
03:20 <Thelema5> Good luck.
03:21 <Thelema5> May wind favor your path
03:22 <DashedRainbows> omg
03:22 <DashedRainbows> this code is BAD
03:23 <DashedRainbows> rather the docs are
03:25 <Thelema5> Gaah
03:26 * Golden beat the new spider-man game
03:27 <DashedRainbows> I feel superhuman lol
03:27 <DashedRainbows> I bent it to my will
03:33 <Thelema5> Yus
03:38 <Thelema5> Yay
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04:02 <DashedRainbows> eh I was wrong
04:06 <DashedRainbows> I give
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04:13 <DashedRainbows> Just wondering, Thelema5, what's your favorite flavor of cheezits
04:20 <Tirek> Predictable Movie Trope flavor
04:20 <Tirek> Its the cheesiest
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06:04 <Emmis> bleh
06:05 <Emmis> gotta stay up late to finish my cheat sheet for an interview
06:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: 16 Great Rarity Classics to Listen To [ http://tinyurl.com/y8p52vme ]
06:23 <Finwe> Good morning, everypony!
06:24 <Finwe> Miss Emmis.
06:24 * Finwe doffs his hat.
06:24 <Finwe> Or is it Mr Emmis?
06:25 <Emmis> Howdy!
06:25 <Finwe> We'll go with "Miss". That at least matches with Ran Yakumo.
06:25 <Emmis> We can go with Mr!
06:25 <Finwe> Oh, alright then.
06:25 <Finwe> o3o
06:25 <Finwe> Mr Emmis.
06:25 * Finwe doffs his hat.
06:26 <Emmis> You can call me whatever you want as long as it's not an insult ;A;
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06:41 * Ali squeaks
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07:15 <Finwe> o3o
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07:15 * Filly_Nightmares eeeeeeee
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07:25 <Schism> Bwehe. http://egscomics.com/egsnp
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08:09 <Schism> "I guess the abyss is staring back at me. Hi!"
08:10 <Koopz> RAdm Finwe o7
08:12 <Koopz> so i recently picked up Minecraft again
08:13 <Koopz> checked out good ol' play.poniarcade.com... after a year of inactivity
08:14 <Koopz> server's still alive, but there are barely any players online
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08:15 <Koopz> my stuff and my claim is also still there... lost my home teleports though.
08:19 <Koopz> felt good to be back... and certainly calmed down my soul after i got heavily tilted by programming issues on friday and saturday morning
08:22 <Koopz> i don't know if i should stay on the server or maybe find a new one which is actually active
08:28 <Finwe> Mr Koopz.
08:28 <Finwe> o7
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08:39 <Koopz> those golden days where the 100 slots of the server were full and you could only get in by donating and get a reserved slots...
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09:11 * Filly_Nightmares squishes at Finwe and wigglewaggles
09:12 <Finwe> !plot
09:12 <DerpyBot> *wigglewiggle*
09:12 <Finwe> *wigglewiggle*
09:17 * Filly_Nightmares gnaws on Finwe
09:23 * Finwe is hard and sinewy.
09:25 * Schism *wigglewiggle*
09:25 * Schism also synthesizes a buncha ink.
10:13 <Koopz> *wigglewiggle*
10:14 * Koopz juggles around elements using Javascript
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11:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1332 [ http://tinyurl.com/y7msevar ]
11:32 <Cepheid> Morning.
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11:36 <Cepheid> Aaand i just burned my tongue. I need to reduce the temperature of the coffee i put in this container.
11:49 <Cepheid> So the Ottawa LRT is delayed to next year. Not unexpected. What is unexpected is that one of the reasons is because they lost the computer systems designed to run the trains.
11:50 <Cepheid> Meanwhile OC transpo cut a bunch of routes and drivers because of the impending start date of November 22nd. They have no plans to reinstate them.
11:50 <Cepheid> And apparently a fare hike is in the works too.
11:54 <Schism> Wait, they lost the computer systems? How do you manage to lose a system?
11:55 <Cepheid> I have no idea. I am guessing stolen.
11:56 <Cepheid> But yeah. The folks of Ottawa are not impressed. Especially with the lost routes and fare hike.
11:56 * Schism ... "Manconi said the city subsequently learned from RTG that parts had gone missing, including “hard” components of the train. While those parts were ultimately remanufactured or rerouted by suppliers, Manconi said, what’s still missing are two “critical” computer modules that need to be installed in the last two of the 34 LRT trains."
11:56 <Schism> That...
11:57 <Cepheid> Yep.
11:57 <Cepheid> Copper scavengers most likely.
11:58 <Schism> Yeah, I know there are a lot of copper scavengers in Ottawa, and the line system is a pretty big target.
11:58 <Schism> But FFS...
11:58 <Cepheid> They are getting brazen. Month or two back they stole copper wiring from various O-Train installations. The existing LRT.
11:58 <Schism> Yeah, I read about that too.
11:59 <Cepheid> But yeah. Amazing, huh?
11:59 <Schism> Meanwhile, down here, the LRT was delayed for quite some time because they'd produced the wrong type of train.
12:00 <Cepheid> Like where are they storing this stuff? Out in the open next to a minimum security prison?
12:00 <Cepheid> ... I... What?
12:00 <Cepheid> How do you produce the WRONG train?
12:01 <Schism> I honestly have no clue.
12:01 <Schism> I'm seriously starting to think that someone's getting some major kickbacks from LRT budgets.
12:02 <Cepheid> Who is handling the LRT construction down there? Sounds like the same company as up here.
12:03 <Cepheid> This is turning into some Simpsons monorail class stuff.
12:04 <Schism> Bombardier.
12:04 <Schism> Who were previously responsible for Ottawa's lines, but are no longer...
12:11 <Cepheid> Should have kept them.
12:17 <Cepheid> First class of the day, robotics.
12:31 <Cepheid> Oh my gods this coffee won't cool off!
12:32 <Cepheid> What did they use as an insulator on this damned thing?
12:35 <Schism> They're lining their cups with sheets of fullerine now.
12:36 <RazorSharpFang> What is LRT?
12:39 <Schism> Light rail transit.
12:45 <Cepheid> Basically, monorails, subways, etc.
12:46 <Cepheid> In our case, above-surface trains that serve certain areas.
13:03 <Schism> "Like a train, but smaller."
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13:21 <Cepheid> Let's see what kind of oddly simple robot we build today. OUT OF LEGO!
13:22 <Cepheid> I'd like to build it ahead of time, but the prof insists that we build everything DURING the lab.
13:23 <Schism> Gotta make sure you're not cheating.
13:23 <Cepheid> It's a lab, not an assignment.
13:23 <Cepheid> Labs are basically open-book things.
13:23 <Cepheid> You can literally cheat all you want on them. No one can stop you from doing so.
13:24 <Cepheid> They're not submitted for code review, they're not submitted for marks. You just show up, do a step-by-step instruction set on how to do X, Y or Z, then show it off and you're done.
13:24 <Cepheid> Which is why I get into a lot of arguments with the TAs over this practice of doing the labs/tutorials during the labs/tutorial periods.
13:31 <RazorSharpFang> Aren't you a TA too now?
13:31 <Cepheid> Yes.
13:31 <Finwe> o3o
13:32 * Finwe brohoofs Cepheid.
13:32 <Cepheid> I'm gonna be a bit more lenient about that. Prof may not like me for it, but..
13:32 <RazorSharpFang> Have an argument with yourself. :3
13:32 * Cepheid brohoofs back.
13:32 <Finwe> /)*(\
13:32 <Cepheid> I don't know who put my name forward, but I didn't really have a choice in the matter.
13:32 <Cepheid> Besides having respect for the professor, there appears to be not enough TAs for the program now.
13:32 <Finwe> The offers are usually chosen among those with highest grades.
13:34 <Cepheid> My grade wasn't *THAT* high, though. Let's see..
13:35 <Cepheid> I got an A.
13:35 <Cepheid> So somewhere between 85% and 90%.
13:40 <Finwe> What's 90%–100% then? A+?
13:41 <Finwe> Our university grades go from 0 to 5. 0 is fail, 1 is satisfactory, 2 is very satisfactory, 3 is good, 4 is very good and 5 is excellent.
13:42 <Cepheid> Yeah, 90%-100% is A+.
13:42 <Cepheid> The university's scale is weird.
13:42 <Cepheid> https://carleton.ca/npsia/calculate-your-gpa/
13:43 <Finwe> To get a 1 you'd need 50% of course points, 60% for 2, 70% for 3, 80% for 4 and 90% for 5.
13:43 <Finwe> Or more, if everyone does well and an adaptive grading method is applied.
13:44 <Cepheid> Yours is... roughly similar, then. Just different scale, and the B/A ranges are a little different.
13:45 <Cepheid> Anyways, lecture's starting, gonna listen.
13:45 <Finwe> Have fun!
13:45 <Finwe> o3o
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14:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Story Updates - September 11th [ http://tinyurl.com/yaqfkyjg ]
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15:11 <Schism> Gah. Cepheid, what's the term that's escaping my mind right now? A prerequisite for the use of a package or piece of code, which is in itself a package or piece of code.
15:11 <Schism> Tip of my brain, it's on.
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15:12 <Cyan_Spark> API?
15:12 <Schism> No, no... preliminaries.
15:13 <Schism> Or requirements for something else to run. Gah, I know the name.
15:14 <Cyan_Spark> prerequisites :3
15:15 <Schism> Gah. :P I know that prereqs are one term, I just swear there's another.
15:16 <filly`Coco> Hi
15:21 <Cepheid> Prerequisites is the only word that comes to mind.
15:23 <Googie> Dependencies ?
15:23 <Cyan_Spark> Smart bug :3
15:23 * Cyan_Spark pets Googie
15:26 <Cepheid> Ah, right, Googie.
15:26 <Cepheid> I forgot about that.
15:26 <Cepheid> Dependencies.
15:27 <Cepheid> Schism, you want the word "Dependencies"
15:27 <Schism> Thank you.
15:27 * Schism beats his head against the desk. "It doesn't help that I'm trying to shift my sleep schedule back to diurnal."
15:27 <Cepheid> Heh.
15:27 <Cepheid> Anyways, back in a bit. Gonna move to another room.
15:34 <Schism> One of those most fun things in the world is when you're half-asleep and there's construction going on outside.
15:36 <Googie> I used to get woken up by bagpipes every weekend.
15:36 <Cyan_Spark> Googie Irish
15:37 * Cyan_Spark thinks of leprechauns and gold pots and rainbows and green
15:37 <Googie> No idea why they were played every weekend, but they were.
15:44 <Cepheid> The hardest part of that class is the builds. The code takes less time.
15:46 * Cepheid should make a simple library of common functionality desired.
15:46 <Cepheid> The current setup is weird.
15:47 <Cepheid> For example, button sensors don't give a boolean value. You fetch sensor data and shove it into a float array, then check the value in the first element in the array to see if it's greater than 0.
15:47 <Cepheid> Gonna write a wrapper around the code, get me some boolean stuff.
15:53 <Cepheid> And there we go.
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16:17 <Cepheid> Geezus, does this thing *HAVE* to emit a loud beep when a Java exception is caught?
16:17 * Cyan_Spark bleep
16:19 <Schism> /ctcp Cepheid BEEP
16:19 <Cepheid> Laptop's muted.
16:19 <Cepheid> It was the brick I was testing with that beeped.
16:19 <Cepheid> Caught an exception when I tried to close the port, something I'm supposed to do, so I'm either doing something wrong, or..
16:26 <Cepheid> I bring a can of tuna with me to school for lunch..
16:26 <Cepheid> And I forget the spoon.
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16:31 <Cepheid> https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-45473636 Hey Schism. Here's hoping this is real.
16:31 <Schism> Oh, nice. Fingers crossed!
16:32 <Cepheid> Don't know if it'll work for me, given I have what, type 2? I think?
16:35 <Schism> Insulin resistance, rather than a dead pancreas, yeah.
16:35 <Schism> Though it might not hurt, either way.
16:40 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
16:42 <SunsetShimmer> https://twitter.com/GoNintendoTweet/status/1039454911367397377 - they were warned. o.o
16:43 <Cepheid> Heh.
16:43 <Cepheid> Anyways, I'ma wander off and get something to eat.
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16:47 <ADragonDreaming> I am on lunch.
16:47 <ADragonDreaming> problematically, I am not hungry.
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17:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Fanfiction: Feathers [ http://tinyurl.com/y8jg96ls ]
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17:15 * Cepheid has nommed.
17:16 <Cepheid> Now I get to sit around and do nothing of value for the next 3 hours.
17:16 <Cepheid> I'm thinking I might want to pick up a case for my Switch to bring it with me to school.
17:17 <ADragonDreaming> sounds like a good idea
17:17 <Ali> MEGAMAN 11!!!!!
17:18 * Ali jumps and tosses lemons at ponies!
17:18 <ADragonDreaming> Megan man?
17:18 * Ali puffycheeks and boops ADragonDreaming
17:21 <Cepheid> Got a recommendation for a case, ADragonDreaming?
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17:53 * Jon_the_Bronynerd blinks. Why is he being pelted with lemons?
18:04 <SunsetShimmer> xD
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18:07 <Ali> Cause JUMPNSHOOTMAN
18:09 <Cepheid> I don't know which idiot who decided the ArchLinix WINE install should be the default application for opening a number of different file types, but I want to punch them.
18:13 <Cepheid> Ali: You mean Metroid?
18:13 * Cepheid gets shot.
18:13 * Ali blows smoke off her mega buster
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18:17 <Cepheid> It's partly an annoying git joke, and reference to the meme "Y Can't Metroid Crawl" meme.
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18:28 <PinkieShy> going to evac at 5am tomorrow.
18:34 <SunsetShimmer> Wut?
18:34 <Ali> They're in a hurricane warning area SunsetShimmer
18:34 <SunsetShimmer> Aaah
18:35 <Ali> Cat 4 storm right now
18:36 <Ali> Winds of 130mph or 209kph for you brits aka SunsetShimmer
18:36 <PinkieShy> Ali I'm scared :(
18:36 <PinkieShy> I'm scared that when i get back home after the hurricane.. We might not have a home to come home to..
18:36 * Ali brushies PinkieShy, they're doing the right thing by evacing
18:37 <Ali> Typically they weaken before landfall but its best not to be in their way
18:37 <Ali> The thing I don't understand is people flee from tornado's but not hurricanes
18:37 <Ali> which are basically LONG LIVED TORNADOS
18:37 <Ali> Sure they don't get to the 200mph winds that tornados do
18:38 <Ali> But hurricane winds last for HOURS
18:38 <Ali> A cat 1 hurricane is basically a huge EF0 Tornado
18:40 <Ali> So right now PinkieShy Florance is a large EF2 Tornado
18:52 <Cepheid> Hooray powerful deadly stoooorms!
18:57 * Ali flops over Cepheid for snugs
18:57 <Ali> Would you say Steel Furnaces or upgraded power lines are more important Cepheid?
18:58 <RazorSharpFang> If you have lots of trees, go with steel furnaces (Twice as fast!)
18:58 <RazorSharpFang> The upgraded power lines are nice, (uses less copper, higher coverage) but regulars work fine. Just a case of needing wood v steel
18:59 * Ali nod nods, she has lots of wood so she'll mess with the furnaces
18:59 <Cepheid> What RazorSharpFang said. Though, power lines are more important if you have to go long distances. Long distance power lines and all.
18:59 <Cepheid> But you can get away with the short-distance ones too.
18:59 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, but you need a billion of them
18:59 <Cepheid> Or, if you have rails before power lines somehow, just transmit some steam between destinations.
19:00 <Cepheid> Create steam at a central location, distribute it to batteries at off-site bases.
19:00 <Cepheid> Better than accumulators. Pollutes more, though.
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19:01 <Schism> I suspect Mother Nature is the slightest bit upset. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmxYzy_W4AUjMOE.jpg:large
19:02 <RazorSharpFang> That's a lot of storms
19:02 <Cepheid> You think?
19:03 * Ali finds this normal
19:03 <Schism> Everything is fine.
19:03 <Cepheid> It's becoming the new normal, yes.
19:03 * Schism noms on Ali's coal train.
19:04 * Ali squeaks, she doesn't have one of those yet.
19:04 <Ali> And talking about coal, none of my radars are finding any
19:04 * Cepheid debates making a keyboard-only mod for Stardew Valley using SMAPI.
19:05 <Cepheid> Got any oil?
19:05 <Ali> Nope
19:05 <Cepheid> Darn.
19:05 <Cepheid> Solid fuel can work in a pinch for coal. All burners accept it, and it stores much more energy, so they need less of it.
19:05 * Ali has plenty of coal, stone, and copper, but not iron
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19:06 <Cepheid> Decided to register for a coding competition on the 29th.
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19:07 <Schism> Cephy: Oh, you've started playing Stardew Valley?
19:07 <Cepheid> Rather, I want to, but I can't play it very well on my laptop.
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19:07 <Cepheid> Touchpad is garbage for it.
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19:08 <Cepheid> So, if I can, I would modify or replace the UI with one that can be manipulated by keyboard. Also fix the glaring issue of menus and textboxes not closable by keyboard keys.
19:08 <RazorSharpFang> If you've got no oil, you'll need some solar panels to reduce your coal consumption
19:08 <Schism> And accumulators. o3o
19:08 <RazorSharpFang> No oil, Schism.
19:08 <RazorSharpFang> No acid
19:08 <RazorSharpFang> No batteries.
19:08 <Schism> Oh right. No oil = no batteries.
19:09 <Schism> Anyhoo. Should run down to government offices before 4:30 rolls around, so be back in a few.
19:11 <Ali> I might need to set up remote radar stations to find iron once I get solar
19:11 <Ali> They might shut down during the night but the day scans could be helpful
19:12 <Cepheid> Using sensors and logic gates, you can automate all that, yes.
19:12 <Cepheid> Oh, wait. Light sensors are a MC thing.
19:13 <Cepheid> Still, you can use a power switch to make turning stuff on and off easy.
19:13 <RazorSharpFang> You can just have an isolated power network, no switch required
19:14 <Cepheid> That too.
19:14 <Cepheid> Kind of wish the game had light sensors though.
19:14 <Cepheid> Or other kinds of sensors.
19:15 <Cepheid> https://mods.factorio.com/mod/FactorIO Closest thing I can find.
19:15 <Cepheid> https://mods.factorio.com/mod/light-detector And this, for light.
19:16 <Ali> Eep solor is an expensive tech
19:16 <RazorSharpFang> if only you could connect a solar panel to the circuit network to get the power output.
19:16 <RazorSharpFang> 250 Red and green science.
19:16 <RazorSharpFang> Expensive for its tier.
19:17 * Filly_Nightmares skrees
19:17 <RazorSharpFang> Nothing near Nuclear power though
19:17 <Ali> RazorSharpFang, yeah I'm still in the light set up mode and not got proper plants set up to mass produce stuff.
19:17 <Ali> I'm running on very limited iron supply, only about 400k
19:18 * PinkieShy hugs everyone in the room
19:18 <RazorSharpFang> Oof, not that much
19:18 <Cepheid> Solar panels giving off signals would make sense, or some sort of power transmission detection.
19:19 <Cepheid> Though, there... *IS* a way to create a timer.
19:19 <Cepheid> And it's a hackjob.
19:19 <Cepheid> Create a belt loop. Hook a decider combinator up to one of the belt sections. Set the belt section to emit a pulse on an item passing into it.
19:19 <Cepheid> The combinator sends a signal when it detects the pulse.
19:19 <Cepheid> Then place an item on the belt loop.
19:20 <Cepheid> Primitive clock.
19:20 <Cepheid> Actually now I want to go test this.
19:24 * Ali flops over RazorSharpFang. "So I'm storing 3.2k of gears and working on storing some copper wire."
19:24 <RazorSharpFang> That's a lot of gears.
19:24 <Ali> Well you KNOW Factorio is a gear hog
19:25 <RazorSharpFang> Eh, copper wire and circuits is used a lot more.
19:25 * Ali boops RazorSharpFang with red belts
19:26 <RazorSharpFang> I'm not a belt person, I usually rush for bots
19:27 * Ali thinks she slow plays too much cause she tends to idle
19:28 <RazorSharpFang> 8-hour rocket tho
19:28 <Cepheid> Yep, belts can be used as a clock. Not sure how long the belt would have to be to achieve a given frequency, but yeah.
19:29 <Cepheid> Once a base clock has been set, you can set up counters to handle other frequencies.
19:30 <Cepheid> I gotta run, be back in a few minutes.
19:46 <Cepheid> Back.
19:47 <Cepheid> Will say I did discover one new piece of tech from this C++ course of nightmares.
19:47 <Cepheid> https://www.draw.io/
19:47 <Cepheid> It's a tool for creating diagrams of varying kinds, including various UML diagrams.
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19:48 <RazorSharpFang> I've been using that one for a while.
19:48 <RazorSharpFang> It's pretty sweet
19:48 <RazorSharpFang> I like the google drive integration
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19:51 <Cepheid> Yeah.
19:51 <Cepheid> I just found it recently thanks to the course outline.
19:52 <Cepheid> Don't see much else of use from the course materials though.
19:52 <RazorSharpFang> Eh, it's one of those niche things I guess.
19:52 <Cepheid> She links to the cplusplus website, has a refresher on UML diagrams..
19:53 <Cepheid> But that's it.
19:53 <Cepheid> Oh, and a VM image for running a specific version of gcc and make.
19:53 <Cepheid> Should probably grab that.
19:54 <Cepheid> Hum, looks like the school's updated it's network infrastructure.
19:54 <Cepheid> Getting 9MBytes/sec on it. Unusual.
19:57 * Filly_Nightmares eees at Cepheid!
19:58 <Filly_Nightmares> I'm installing Arch Linux on my compuper!
19:58 <Filly_Nightmares> On my laptop!
19:59 <Cepheid> Not that difficult, to be honest. The hardest part is the laptop hardware support.
19:59 <Cepheid> And even that's gotten better.
20:04 <Cepheid> Oh dear sweet gods the conversations going on before the lecture.
20:04 * Ali pat pats Cepheid
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20:14 <Cepheid> The only bit of information I have acquired from this class is "Use .cc over .cpp because .cpp is used in Windows. We're in Linux, so we use .cc"
20:15 * Schism returns... and drips.
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20:15 <Cepheid> Rain?
20:15 <Schism> No, but for some reason even with 75 degrees F I was sweating like mad.
20:15 <Cepheid> Ah.
20:16 * PinkieShy hugs Cepheid and Schism
20:16 * Cepheid will use the .cc extension but will be ruinous about it.
20:17 * Schism boops the Cepheid, also, with a single shot of vanilla Wiser's.
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20:17 * Schism makes sure to remove the alcohol, tho.
20:19 <Cepheid> ...
20:19 <Ali> Bleh 5 solars are needed to power ONE radar...
20:19 <Cepheid> I already want to leave this lecture.
20:19 <Cepheid> >> "We're not using headers in this simple example." >> Uses iostream header. >> Uses iostream HEADER.
20:20 <Schism> A header is... yeah, what the heck? I suppose the thing is that they're not teaching headers in that example.
20:20 <Cepheid> Headers as in header files.
20:20 <Cepheid> Not headers as in "comment headers" expected in files.
20:20 <Schism> Yeah. Hum, makes sense.
20:21 <Schism> In a cross-eyed way.
20:21 <Cepheid> ...
20:21 <Cepheid> She doesn't know what bytecode is, and says that .class files in Java are source code files.
20:21 * Cepheid table flips.
20:21 <Schism> You're in for a time.
20:22 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang: C++14 fun: auto test() { return string("Hi"); } // Assume that headers are included, and using namespace std; is used.
20:23 <RazorSharpFang> auto? New keyword?
20:23 <Cepheid> In C++ and beyond, yeah.
20:23 <Cepheid> Automatic typename deduction.
20:23 <Schism> I guess the interpreter just decides which one best applies.
20:23 <Schism> Sounds dangerous to use.
20:23 <Cepheid> If you do: auto anInteger = 5; anInteger will be defined as an int.
20:24 <Cepheid> It's apparently safe.
20:24 <Cepheid> Anyhow, in functions it's even more fun.
20:24 <RazorSharpFang> Interpreter? It's C++, so it's compiled.
20:24 <Schism> Interpreted, then compiled. >.>
20:24 <Cepheid> If you use it(C++14) on a function, it deducts the return type based on the first return statement spotted.
20:24 * Schism blehs. "Though I'm tired, so my apologies."
20:25 <RazorSharpFang> "return null"
20:25 <RazorSharpFang> Hmmm
20:25 <Cepheid> That'll be a void pointer.
20:25 <Cepheid> Presumably.
20:25 <RazorSharpFang> I love void pointers.
20:26 <Cepheid> Actually null was replaced with a new name in C++.
20:26 <Cepheid> In C++, the keyword nullptr is used.
20:26 <Cepheid> Which evaluates to nullptr_t
20:27 <RazorSharpFang> three more characters
20:27 <Cepheid> Er, type*
20:27 <Cepheid> Yes, but it's distinct from the C "NULL" constant.
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20:27 <Cepheid> NULL in C++ is usually declared as (void*)0
20:27 <Cepheid> Same with C.
20:28 <Cepheid> It's primary benefit is for purposes of overloading.
20:29 <Cepheid> You can specify a new function overload that accepts std::nullptr_t parameter, and then when you call the function with "nullptr" it'll call that overloaded function.
20:29 <Cepheid> That's one use, anyways.
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20:30 <Cepheid> ...
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20:31 <Cepheid> She's insisting that we organize our functions such that the main function is at the top of the source code file.
20:31 * Cepheid likes to organize alphabetically.
20:31 <RazorSharpFang> I don't organise them
20:32 <Cepheid> I generally like to organize by alphabetical because I remember the function names, or tend to look at an overview function in the IDE and look for the function.
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20:34 <RazorSharpFang> Mind you, back when I was learning C/C++ we were using the Borland C Compiler, so you had to have main last, or it wouldn't compile because it didn't look forward for declared functions.
20:35 <Cepheid> auto lambda = [](auto a, auto b) { return a + b; };
20:35 <Cepheid> What is the result of this: cout << lambda(25.3, 25.3) << endl;
20:36 <RazorSharpFang> Segmentation Fault?
20:36 <Cepheid> Amazingly no.
20:36 <Cepheid> Lambdas were implemented in C++11.
20:37 <Cepheid> The above creates a lambda that takes two type-deducted inputs and returns a type-deducted result and then assigns it the name "lambda"
20:37 <Cepheid> I can then use lambda like a function, such as lambda(10, 10) and get 20. Or lambda(10.3, 10.3) and get 20.6
20:37 <RazorSharpFang> I don't even know what a lambda is
20:38 <Cepheid> Anonymous functions. Functions with no name.
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20:39 <Cepheid> Normally they're declared as such, with return types: [captures](parameters) -> return_type { block of code }
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20:40 <Cepheid> [](int x, int y) -> int { return x + y; }(25, 25) for example, returns 50.
20:40 <RazorSharpFang> Is 0.5 defaulted to double or float?
20:41 <Cepheid> That I'm not sure of. I'm still toying around with it all.
20:41 <RazorSharpFang> You can use typeof right?
20:42 <Cepheid> If RTTI is enabled and provides useful info, yeah. A better idea would be to look at a reference.
20:45 <RazorSharpFang> So, looks like it's default double.
20:45 <Cepheid> It uses template argument deduction from functions.
20:47 <Cepheid> But yeah, usually it would be double.
20:47 <Cepheid> In fact, it should be.
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20:48 <Cepheid> At least on x86/x86_64, anyways.
20:48 <Cepheid> Such processors work best with data that's aligned on an 8-byte boundary.
20:49 <Cepheid> Least, I *THINK* anyways. It's all different for each processor type.
20:49 <Cepheid> I just know that when you define struct or class data types, you generally want to go from the largest data type to the smallest.
20:51 <Cepheid> In x86/x86_64, depending on certain traits, it's commonly along the lines of...
20:51 <Cepheid> Pointers, long long or double, long or int or float, short, char
20:51 <Cepheid> In others, it's pointers, long long or long or double, int or float, short, char.
20:52 <Cepheid> This ensures that for each specific data type, the alignment is correct.
20:52 <Cepheid> Otherwise, the compiler will add padding, and your data structures will be larger.
20:53 <Cepheid> For example, struct { char a; long long b; } will be 16 bytes, while struct { long long b; char a; } will be 9 bytes.
20:54 <Cepheid> In other cases, this isn't true.
20:54 <Cepheid> For example, both are shown as 16 bytes on my laptop. Different from what I Remember.
20:59 <Cepheid> I'm rambling.
20:59 <Cepheid> And refreshing old knowledge, it seems.
21:00 <RazorSharpFang> Well, you gotta be sure to clean it so it recompiles everything, lest you end up using stale resources.
21:00 <Cepheid> Heh.
21:03 <Cepheid> But yeah, the detail I missed is that it sizes the structure such that it is aligned to whatever the most efficient data size is on the given architecture. That's why long long + char is 16. The reason for organizing from largest to smallest is to avoid padding wastage.
21:04 <Cepheid> You do a long long + char + short in that order, to align the short to a 2-byte boundary there will be an extra, padded byte between the char and the short.
21:04 <Cepheid> Otherwise, switch it around, such that you have a long long + short + char in that order, there will be no padding, aside from what follows the char to pad to 16 bytes.
21:05 <Cepheid> Reason for doing this? Performance, mostly. Intel and Intel-like CPUs work best when the relevant data types are aligned to appropriate boundaries.
21:06 <Cepheid> Otherwise, the compiler has to generate a bunch of horrible code to extract bytes from different alignments and then shift everything around.
21:06 <Cepheid> And it's hell.
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21:07 <RazorSharpFang> I'm off to sleep, good night Cepheid
21:07 <Cepheid> G'night. I'll stop talking programming for the rest of the channel.
21:07 <RazorSharpFang> Neat stuff about byte alignment lol
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21:26 <Cepheid> Right I'm leaving early. This has reached stupid levels of ridiculousness.
21:26 <Schism> Best to get out before you start going insane?
21:26 <Schism> Well. Such as it were.
21:27 <Cepheid> Basically.
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21:32 <PinkieShy> Wanna know what grinds my gears?
21:32 <PinkieShy> The place where my dad used to work.. Bilo/harvey's/Winn-dixie
21:32 <Schism> Sand!
21:33 <PinkieShy> my dad told me something about them..
21:33 <Schism> Oh, Harvey's is great. But oh?
21:33 <PinkieShy> They are open, he told me back when we first moved here about the hurricane we got back then..
21:33 <PinkieShy> That he tried to get off to be with us at home.. but they told him he can't.. He has to work during the hurricane or he'll get fired.
21:34 <PinkieShy> Walmart seems to care more at least :3 All walmarts here is closed down until further noticed.
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21:35 <Schism> Wal*Mart, at least, has some regulations in place because they know what level of flak they'll get if they don't do the bare minimum. And I'll bet you that there are still employees who would voluntarily show up for their 21-hour weeks if they could.
21:35 <Schism> That having been said, it's a pity that Harvey's/Winn-Dixie/etc. is being such a tool.
21:36 <ADragonDreaming> wait wait, where is is this occurring?
21:36 <Schism> South Carolina.
21:37 <ADragonDreaming> I'm assuming this isn't a mandatory evacuation zone?
21:37 <Schism> PinkieShy: You guys ready to bug out if it's necessary?
21:38 <ADragonDreaming> https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/10/us/florence-hurricane-season-wxc/index.html
21:38 <Cepheid> Given what i have seen that is a problem the world over. Still recall that clip of the pizza delivery guy in Japan who had to deliver in the midst of the hurricane in full force.
21:39 <Cepheid> People don't grasp the idea of mandatory evac, ADra. It is like talking to a wall.
21:39 * Schism peers at Adra, then peers at a map. "Oh, you're right by Sarnia. Hello!"
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21:40 <Cepheid> ADra has stated where he is a number of times.
21:40 <ADragonDreaming> I'm in Detroit, Schism
21:40 <Cepheid> Mostly because someone insults the city of Detroit.
21:40 <ADragonDreaming> the hurricane is unlikely to reach me
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21:41 <ADragonDreaming> Any road, I'm not familiar with South Carolina law
21:41 <Schism> Ah right.
21:41 <ADragonDreaming> but the employer may be in for some trouble if they are attempting to force employees to work in an evacuation zone.
21:41 <Cepheid> Far as I know, mandatory evac means "If you stay, we aren't coming to rescue you."
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21:42 <Cepheid> So yeah any employer forcing work is being stupid.
21:42 <Schism> But of course, that's what 'right to work' laws mean.
21:42 <Schism> The employee has no recourse in such cases.
21:43 <Cepheid> I am pretty sure working during a hurricane in an evac area violates OSHA 8n so many ways you could earn millions.
21:43 <ADragonDreaming> "right to work" still has certain restrictions.
21:43 <Schism> Rather, I should say, South Carolina has 'at will' employment.
21:43 <ADragonDreaming> for example, you still are not allowed to fire someone because they are female or a certain race
21:44 <ADragonDreaming> which mostly comes down to someone being dumb enough to have provided evidence that that was the reason
21:44 <Schism> True. But for not showing up for work, regardless of circumstances, that is suitable cause for dismissal. Even if you're on your death bed.
21:44 <Cepheid> "Uh sir? The flooding has reached my knees." "Keep stocking them lower shelves peon." "Sir, I will drown." "Better work fast then."
21:44 <ADragonDreaming> based on a quick search, SC still does not allow retaliatory action for things under safety and health etc.
21:44 <Schism> Cepheid: We have it really, really good up here.
21:45 <ADragonDreaming> so like "you are fired because you did not come to work in conditions that would have led to your death" could be a problem for the employer
21:45 * Finwe noms on some radishes.
21:45 <Cepheid> Pretty sure even the states isn't that bad. And even if a company did that... There are labour organizations that you can talk to.
21:45 <ADragonDreaming> also, if the area is in a danger zone, and concerned customers were to make a stink on social media...
21:46 <Schism> It's unlikely to be, though. And in circumstances where such a thing is staggeringly unlikely, it is de facto not a thing.
21:46 <ADragonDreaming> but a lot depends on where the place of employment is.
21:46 <Schism> Yeah...
21:46 <ADragonDreaming> if it's not in an evac zone, then...
21:46 <Cepheid> Here in Canada, wrongful dismissal or unsafe working conditions would mean a visit from the Board of Labour.
21:48 <ADragonDreaming> (in hurricane conditions I'd like to see bands of roving people who don't work at places go in there and asking when they're evacuating)
21:48 <Cepheid> Doesn't stop some employers though. Seen some pretty egregious violations of OSHA.
21:49 <ADragonDreaming> (then if the answer is "We aren't" ask to see a manager and read them the riot act)
21:49 <Cepheid> Heh.
21:52 <Cepheid> Interesting, the riot act. First I have heard of it.
21:52 * Cepheid levels up. Gains 1 knowledge.
21:52 <Schism> You've never heard the phrase 'read him the riot act'?
21:53 <Cepheid> Nope.
21:53 <Cepheid> Never been in a situation that warrants the use of the act or various phrases involving it.
21:55 <Schism> The common terminology now refers to someone being given a lot of shouting.
21:56 <ADragonDreaming> "Stern warning or reprimand"
21:56 <Cepheid> Nope. Nothing like that. The closest thing i can think of...
21:57 <Cepheid> When i had a panic attack in college over a certain incident. One of the officers warned me that if I didn't calm down right that instant they would handcuff me.
21:57 <ADragonDreaming> Ah, yes, an excellent tactic to calm someone down.
21:57 <ADragonDreaming> Threaten them.
21:57 <Cepheid> Thinking back on it, that officer should have been reprimanded for that.
21:58 <Schism> Yeah, there are clear signs which differentiate someone having a panic attack or some kind of seizure, and someone so enraged that they're striking out against everyone around.
21:58 <Cepheid> Yeah i wasn't too happy about it. Forced myself to breathe carefully to comply.
21:58 <Schism> No sarcasm there. There really are, and officers who are trained in threat mitigation should understand the differences.
21:59 <Cepheid> This was back in 2011 though. Before all the mental health awareness campaigns started.
21:59 <Schism> There is one thing on which I'll applaud Bell: their decision to take part in those awareness campaigns.
21:59 <Cepheid> So that sort of training was probably not a requirement at the time.
22:00 <Schism> Mm... no, doesn't hold water. The purpose of a police officer is to put down disputes with a minimum amount of force.
22:00 <Schism> Step one is always, always to determine what's going on.
22:00 <Cepheid> Makes me wonder if Bell employs a double standard though Schism. Do they treat their employees properly so as to avoid the development of mental health crises?
22:01 <Schism> I honestly couldn't say; I was an independent contractor instead of a situated employee.
22:02 <Schism> From what I'm given to understand, with the prevalence of social media, a lot of corporations /are/, but whether Bell is one of them, I don't know for sure.
22:02 <Cepheid> But yes. Police officers or people in similar positions shoukd be trained by default to defuse a situation peacefully and without threats or threats of force.
22:02 <Cepheid> Despite that being 7 years ago i am still miffed by it a tad.
22:03 <Schism> Now, to be fair, this does sometimes require snap judgements, which can be tricky at the best of times. And mm; in a frightening situation, certain aspects get seared into your brain.
22:03 <Schism> That's kind of an evolutionary trait. "Okay, I did THIS and a tiger attacked me, let's not do it again."
22:03 <Cepheid> We were both in the wrong and the school expected me to apologize with expectation of not receiving one in return. Technically, because i refused, i am supposed to still be banned from the premises.
22:04 <Schism> For once, bureaucratic sloth works in one's favour.
22:06 <Schism> By which I mean, 'you're supposed to be banned, but...'
22:07 <Cepheid> They don't enforce it as far as I know. How can they?
22:07 <Schism> TBH, they can only do so if you draw attention to yourself in such a means that they have to act upon it, at which point things get a bit more severe.
22:08 <Schism> Come to think, functionally speaking, that's how a lot of bans work on the internet, too.
22:09 <Schism> Ship of Theseus time, I guess. If a person comes back having learned their lesson, are they still the jerkface who deserved a ban the first time?
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22:29 <Finwe> !lullaby
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22:29 <Finwe> !shoo
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22:29 <Finwe> Good night, everypony!
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22:32 <PinkieShy> Police are pretty much all over the roads..
22:32 <PinkieShy> Every corner you look..
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