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00:08 * Finwe hats on Filly_Nightmares.
00:11 <Finwe> Messrs Thelema5 and PinkieShy.
00:11 * Finwe doffs himself.
00:13 <Cepheid> Bedtime methinks.
00:14 <Finwe> o3o
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00:35 <DashedRainbows> Hai Finwe
00:51 <Finwe> Miss DashedRainbows.
00:51 * Finwe doffs his hat.
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02:20 * Thelema5 yawns
02:26 * DashedRainbows pokes Thelema5
02:29 <Thelema5> Hi DashedRainbows
02:30 <DashedRainbows> yo
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02:53 <DashedRainbows> how's the Thelema5 today?
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02:55 <Thelema5> Lonely, DashedRainbows
02:55 <Thelema5> I've not spoken to anyone face to face in weeks
02:55 * DashedRainbows hugs Thelema5
02:55 * Thelema5 counterhugs
02:55 <Thelema5> How are you?
02:56 <DashedRainbows> I haven't really talked to anyone outside my house for years
02:56 <DashedRainbows> the most I've had to is at cons
02:57 <Thelema5> My house is empty
02:57 <DashedRainbows> pretty strung out
02:58 <DashedRainbows> Everything hurts
02:59 <DashedRainbows> But I feel better than yesterday
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03:01 <DashedRainbows> I'd say something but I'm not qualified to give relationship advice
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03:13 * PinkieShy tears up in joy
03:13 <PinkieShy> Just checked my weight :')
03:13 <PinkieShy> I'm at a weight I haven't been at since 2015.
03:13 <PinkieShy> 205.
03:14 <DashedRainbows> now we party
03:14 * Surreal_Nightmares eees
03:14 <Thelema5> Yay
03:14 <Thelema5> That's great, PinkieShy
03:15 <DashedRainbows> I'm actually 206ish myself
03:15 <PinkieShy> I'm happy.
03:15 <PinkieShy> Jan 2017.. I was 240.. 205 is a huge difference compared to that.
03:15 <DashedRainbows> I lost like a kilo in three days off lyrica
03:15 <DashedRainbows> but it was hell
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03:17 <DashedRainbows> problem for me is mostly that, I won't lose weight till I'm off it, but I'm scared to
03:19 <Thelema5> Are you still taking it?
03:19 <DashedRainbows> unfortunately yes
03:20 <DashedRainbows> I see why you don't stop drinking now
03:20 * Thelema5 nods
03:20 <DashedRainbows> withdrawal is hell
03:20 <DashedRainbows> it was like my brain stopped working right
03:21 <DashedRainbows> mood swings, anxiety, pain, nausea
03:21 <Thelema5> Yuck
03:21 <Thelema5> Aren't you supposed to taper off it?
03:22 <DashedRainbows> yes, but I iz stupidz
03:22 <DashedRainbows> and this is the second time too
03:23 <DashedRainbows> apparently it can be pretty bad for pretty long
03:23 <DashedRainbows> much longer than benzos it seems
03:24 <Thelema5> That's awful
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03:25 <Thelema5> I've heard horror stories about benzos, which is why I've not been taking mine
03:25 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: MLP Season 8 In a Nutshell: Ep. 25 "School Raze" [ http://tinyurl.com/ycocbggx ]
03:25 <DashedRainbows> I could do opiates and stop and it'd be smoother
03:26 <DashedRainbows> good thing I don't have those
03:26 <DashedRainbows> I'd probably be high all tlhe time
03:27 <Thelema5> That's not a good thing
03:27 <DashedRainbows> actually I have done opiates and stopped
03:28 <DashedRainbows> it landed me in the ER but it was just one day
03:30 <DashedRainbows> have you ever tried to stop drinking, Thelema5?
03:30 <Thelema5> I stopped for two months
03:30 <DashedRainbows> that's amazing
03:30 <Thelema5> Cold turkey, it wasn't hard... but my body crashed and I wound up getting gout in both knees and both ankles over the time
03:31 <Thelema5> I couldn't walk, so screw that
03:31 <DashedRainbows> that's great sometimes it is bad cold turkey
03:32 <Thelema5> Yup, supposed to taper off alcohol too
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03:33 <DashedRainbows> I didn't think gabapentinoid withdrawal could be life threatning
03:33 <DashedRainbows> now I know
03:33 <Thelema5> O.o
03:34 <DashedRainbows> my mind was like 'it will be hell, but I'll survive'
03:34 <Thelema5> Be safe
03:34 <DashedRainbows> then three days later 'dear God let it end'
03:35 <DashedRainbows> then last night 'nope' *takes pill*
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03:36 * Thelema5 nods
03:36 <DashedRainbows> I haven't been on it too long so it should be safe but my zofran expired
03:37 <DashedRainbows> and I ain't going to urgent care for more
03:39 <DashedRainbows> it's pretty questionable to give an alcoholic a benzo imo
03:45 <Thelema5> Yeah, never the two should mix
03:51 <DashedRainbows> And very addictive
03:51 <Thelema5> I'm just glad that New York finally seems fast-tracked to legalize recreational marijuana
03:51 <Thelema5> If it passes this year (likely) then sales could begin as soon as 2020
03:53 * DashedRainbows cries looking at the Texas government
03:55 <Thelema5> Have hope. Our governor was staunchly against it for years, and a vocal opponnent. But just this year he did a 180, ordered a public health study- which found legalization to be in the public interest... and then he followed suite by ordering a legalization board to convene
03:56 <Thelema5> It was actually a shocking turn of events
03:58 <DashedRainbows> If I had weed the withdrawal would be so much smoother
03:59 <Thelema5> Yus
03:59 <Thelema5> So true
04:01 * DashedRainbows falls asleep on Thelema5
04:01 <DashedRainbows> Good night
04:03 <Thelema5> G'night!
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06:40 <Cepheid> https://www.reddit.com/r/cats/comments/9s57j9/every_time/?st=jntxohwm&sh=5dfa0fa6
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06:44 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
06:45 <Cepheid> Morning.
06:45 <ConfusionRift> As for the post... sounds about right. :P
06:45 <Cepheid> I should be asleep, but I'm not anymore, 'cause I woke up way too late yesterday and even my insanely powerful meds aren't enough to keep me out.
06:46 <ConfusionRift> That is non good.
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06:48 <Cepheid> Eh, I'll live.
06:48 <Cepheid> In fact, it might be a good idea to just stay awake, today.
06:53 <Cepheid> This should be an interesting week. My mother will be by herself for large parts of it.
06:54 <ConfusionRift> Ohboy.
06:55 <ConfusionRift> Hope nothing goes wrong.
06:55 <Cepheid> Fortunately, she's regained some independence.
06:55 <Cepheid> She's able to make her way to the bathroom on her own now, and able to get up and down from the bed.
06:56 <ConfusionRift> That's good. There's some recovery.
06:57 <Cepheid> Ironically, much of my mother's pain is not from the broken leg, now.
07:05 <ConfusionRift> Blarg?
07:06 <Cepheid> It's her knee. I won't go into detail, but it involved a long metal rod and moving her kneecap aside.
07:06 <Cepheid> Of course, it also hurts to put pressure on the foot/leg, but yeah. The knee is what hurts the most.
07:06 <ConfusionRift> Oooh, I think what's up.
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07:09 <Cepheid> Yep.
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07:09 <ConfusionRift> *I think I know what's up
07:10 <ConfusionRift> Urgh, muscles hurt.
07:10 <ConfusionRift> Today was a rush day. People doing the last of the Halloween shopping.
07:11 <ConfusionRift> Also a Sunday, so... pfffffffftttttttttttt!
07:12 <Cepheid> Ah yes.
07:12 <Cepheid> Skeleton War Day is coming.
07:13 <ConfusionRift> Man, that went out of control fast.
07:13 <ConfusionRift> I kinda like it. :P
07:16 <Cepheid> I'm surprised there hasn't been like, some sort of Internet-based campaign to rename Halloween to "Skeleton War Day"
07:16 <ConfusionRift> i think they have.
07:16 <Cepheid> I mean both on and off the Internet.
07:16 <Cepheid> On the Internet, yeah, it's not Halloween anymore, it's the Skeleton War
07:17 <Cepheid> But in the real world? Still seen as Halloween.
07:18 <ConfusionRift> "All skeleton brethren, welcome! Here's some milk for the war ahead."
07:19 <ConfusionRift> It would be funny if someone who's dressed as a skeleton get a carton of milk instead of candy. :P
07:27 <Cepheid> Heh.
07:29 <ConfusionRift> Oh wow, that some eye trickery. For a second that is. https://img.ifcdn.com/videos/7d8eef1cd0ed4e3ed8ed2b6173d10ead86479f507d43483f9aaec3e961136c9f_1.mp4
07:29 <Cepheid> Indeed.
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07:37 <ConfusionRift> Huh. So apparently, in Ars Magica I think, there's a spell to go through walls in MC.
07:38 <Cepheid> Heh.
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07:54 <ConfusionRift> MC or Diablo. Hmmm.
07:55 * Cepheid is busy trying to solve a problem in his head.
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08:00 <Cepheid> Hmm. I suppose that's one solution. Bit of a hack, but..
08:03 <Cepheid> Problem: Take a 2D flat-shaded polygon, apply visible edges to it, but ensure that when zooming in, the edges remain the same width in appearance.
08:04 <Cepheid> Solution: Take polygon, take number of zoom levels available. Generate vertices and triangles for all zoom levels that maintain the requirements, pack into array, and just render the appropriate sub-model for the specific zoom level.
08:04 <Cepheid> There's no other easy way. A brute-force approach using shaders is too complicated, error prone, and slow.
08:05 <Cepheid> And doing the generation in real-time, each frame, while easy and feasible, is slow. It'd be best served as a fallback.
08:09 <Koopz> http://www.berdsandnerds.com/comic/2018/10/1/blundertale
08:10 <ConfusionRift> ...whoops.
08:13 <ConfusionRift> I have to admit as much. There have been a number of games that I have decided not to bother buying because I basically watched the whole playthrough done by someone else.
08:13 <ConfusionRift> I'm with the artist. :P
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08:16 <RazorSharpFang> It's unfortunate.
08:18 <Cepheid> It is a problem, yes.
08:18 <Cepheid> And I think the worst part of it is that the playthroughs are monetized.
08:19 <Cepheid> So the creator of the playthrough gets money, at the cost of the developer getting nothing because people will watch the playthrough for free, and then not buy the game.
08:20 <ConfusionRift> HOWEVER! There have been games that I see others play that I decide to cut the playthrough short, play it myself, and then watch their reactions.
08:21 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
08:21 <Cepheid> But that's less common.
08:22 <ConfusionRift> It's been a 50/50 for me.
08:22 <Cepheid> That's just you, though. What about other people?
08:23 <Cepheid> Regardless, monetizing playthroughs shouldn't be legal. It's basically someone making money off of someone else' IP or work.
08:23 <Cepheid> Which last I checked, was illegal in many other areas.
08:24 <RazorSharpFang> The "litmus test" is this: Can the playthrough be substituted for playing it?
08:25 <Cepheid> Depends on what you're looking for in the game.
08:25 <ConfusionRift> Funny, how others get monetized using other people's work. Yet I get not just demonetized, but get videos muted/locked because I used a piece of music that wasn't mine.
08:26 <ConfusionRift> Actually, my last video test that used BoTW got demonetized as soon as it got uploaded.
08:26 <ConfusionRift> Whatever.
08:26 <Cepheid> Nintendo has lawyers scrounging Youtube on a regular basis. If it's not a review of a game, it's likely going to be taken down.
08:27 <Cepheid> And yes, there are those who aren't affected.
08:27 <ConfusionRift> There's a reason why I stopped uploading like I used to.
08:27 * Golden flops.
08:27 <RazorSharpFang> Cepheid, they're not gonna be lawyers. There are firms you can outsource that to.
08:27 <Cepheid> True.
08:27 <RazorSharpFang> Just requires one lawyer to put their stamp on it
08:28 <Cepheid> The problem with playthroughs versus everything else..
08:28 <Cepheid> Is that because of all the back-and-forth fighting, people, companies and the like are hesitant to take them down.
08:29 <Cepheid> Gets you a lot of backlash if you don't allow playthroughs, etc.
08:30 <Cepheid> In any case, it's not really a topic I like discussing much, because my views on it will grate with the views of the average person.
08:30 <Cepheid> When it comes to playthroughs, publication of music that's not yours, using artwork that's not yours and the like, I support DMCA takedowns.
08:30 <ConfusionRift> Actually, funny enough, I see more Let's Plays than I do playthroughs. And yes, there's a difference.
08:31 <Cepheid> It's not yours, you have no right to publish it without the consent of the creator, you deserve the punishment you get for it.
08:31 <Cepheid> Especially if it's monetized.
08:31 <Cepheid> "But it's my livelihood!" Well tough luck, go get a job.
08:32 <RazorSharpFang> As far as the court's concerned, monetization is not considered, from what I've seen
08:32 <RazorSharpFang> Unless damages are being sought after.
08:32 <Cepheid> People put time and effort that could have been spent doing other stuff into these things, drawing, making music, writing stories and the like.
08:33 <Cepheid> For someone to come along, go "Oh hey, I want to show the entirety of this thing to the world for free" is bullshit.
08:33 <Cepheid> That they get away with it pisses me off to no end.
08:33 <Cepheid> And what's worse, they make money off of it.
08:33 <Cepheid> Unfortunately, because of pricks like PewDiePie and various other playthrough creators, we have to allow this kind of crap.
08:34 <Cepheid> We don't have a choice in the matter.
08:34 <Cepheid> All because some stupid generation of little spoiled brats want to see their favourite Youtube personality scream and shout and giggle while playing video games.
08:35 <RazorSharpFang> Well, gaming content is short-form, easily-digestable, easily-produced. The Youtube algorithm loves all of those.
08:35 <Cepheid> And the moment anyone steps on their toes, all hell breaks loose, and all lawsuits, all legal issues just have to up and vanish, or you start getting death threats, letter bombs and the like.
08:36 <Cepheid> I want to create games, but I just don't think it's worth the time and effort, plus I don't want people to make money off of something I created and I am trying to make money off of.
08:36 <Cepheid> Which will grate with the Internet as a whole.
08:36 <Cepheid> So I'll lose sales, get review bombed and the like.
08:36 <Cepheid> So, straight up, what's the point?
08:37 <RazorSharpFang> Well, you could make your game with many branches, so that everyone who plays it gets a different experience - this way a playthrough wouldn't be the same as playing it.
08:37 <Cepheid> That won't solve the problem.
08:38 <Cepheid> Look on Youtube for any game that has multiple playthroughs, you will find videos for each and every possible scenario.
08:38 <Cepheid> The reality is that it's not worth the time and effort to create a game.
08:38 <Cepheid> It's just a pointless endeavour.
08:38 <Cepheid> Everything you do will simply be taken by someone else, monetized, and you'll get absolutely nothing.
08:38 <RazorSharpFang> I'm not convinced of that. Many indie titles have had huge amounts of success.
08:39 <Cepheid> The only way that works is if you involve DRM.
08:39 <Cepheid> And hahaha, yeah good luck with that.
08:39 <RazorSharpFang> Alternatively, as the creator, you COULD use ContentID. But, you will face a backlash.
08:39 <Cepheid> That's what pisses me off.
08:39 <Cepheid> I would have no rights as the developer.
08:39 <Cepheid> Because everyone else on the Internet is a self-entitled prick of a jackass.
08:40 <Unixkitty> I'm not sure I follow, how would it be that if you create a video game "you'll get absolutely nothing"?
08:40 <Cepheid> It's a known thing that the returns on many games is barely enough, if at all, to cover the costs of making it.
08:41 <RazorSharpFang> It's the Pareto distribution. A small minority of titles make basically all the returns.
08:41 <Unixkitty> If they're not that good perhaps, why would it be otherwise?
08:42 <ConfusionRift> Okay okay. Maybe we should move off a bit? Maybe something else? I'm sensing that redlining health-degrading rage. Just concerned.
08:42 <Cepheid> There are quite a few "good games" that have not made anywhere near the amount of money they should have, while playthrough makers have made more money.
08:42 <RazorSharpFang> That's a potential issue - they might be great or excellent games. But, they might be negatively affected by circumstance.
08:42 <Unixkitty> Not really, ConfusionRift
08:42 <Cepheid> Actually Rifty's right.
08:42 <Cepheid> I'm sitting on the line.
08:43 <Cepheid> It's just not visible.
08:43 <Cepheid> Or well, immediately visible.
08:43 <Unixkitty> Aw, and here I started getting actually interested in the topic.
08:43 <RazorSharpFang> Sad
08:43 <ConfusionRift> I'm sorry. I saw the red flagging early and... I got a bit concerned.
08:44 <Unixkitty> Well, you could continue in #techponies :P
08:44 <Cepheid> Taking into consideration the current situation, I consider DRM and DMCA takedowns to be useful tools.
08:44 <Cepheid> Much as people may dislike them.
08:44 <RazorSharpFang> As I said, ContentID is another useful tool.
08:44 <Cepheid> Unfortunately, as stated, backlash is involved.
08:44 <Cepheid> So I have no choice but to stay quiet.
08:45 <Unixkitty> DRM has always been a little of a grey area
08:45 <Cepheid> And yet a necessity.
08:45 <Cepheid> I don't agree with the argument of "I'm just pirating it to see if I'll like it."
08:45 <Cepheid> I wish we'd go back to the era of shareware/demos with all games.
08:46 <Cepheid> It'd solve that particular argument.
08:46 <ConfusionRift> Well, here's how I see the whole thing. I see both sides as a double edge sword with each edge being sharp enough to cut through tungsten.
08:46 <RazorSharpFang> If everyone who pirated instead wrote a letter that said "I didn't buy your game because you didn't put out a demo" it would be demos galore.
08:46 <RazorSharpFang> And that would be amazing.
08:46 <Cepheid> Yeah, good luck getting that to happen.
08:46 <RazorSharpFang> Luck is insufficient.
08:47 <ConfusionRift> ...why am I reminded of the old demo discs? I miss those.
08:47 <Unixkitty> I used to do that until steam introduced the refund system
08:47 <Cepheid> It's a nice approach, that system, but it has it's flaws.
08:47 <Unixkitty> But by then I developed enough sense to say outright if I'll like the game at a glance
08:47 <Cepheid> A demo can be replayed multiple times. A refund period of what, 2 hours? Limits the amount of times you can replay the demo to get a better idea of things.
08:47 <ConfusionRift> I have seen some users get refunds way past the refund date limit.
08:48 <Cepheid> Er, replay the game*
08:48 <Unixkitty> True, it's still usually enough though
08:48 <Unixkitty> It is decided by support people, ConfusionRift
08:48 * ConfusionRift nods. "Still."
08:49 <Cepheid> From a financial standpoint, developing for PC is almost a waste of time.
08:49 <Cepheid> Because of how easy piracy is.
08:49 <ConfusionRift> [Maybe they should do like GameStop and cut their refund value and get that as Steam credit.] :P
08:49 <Cepheid> DRM's a necessity, but in it's current setup, I don't trust it.
08:50 <Unixkitty> That is one reason why it should be simpler not to
08:50 <Cepheid> Because it's been proven to be broken countless times, even the ones that were supposed to be unbreakable.
08:50 <Unixkitty> Indeed
08:50 <Cepheid> And given the current nature of computing..
08:50 <Cepheid> There is practically no point in trying.
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08:51 <ConfusionRift> Well... maybe my point of view defers a bit... but...
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08:51 <Cepheid> The internals of DRM code are often visible within the executable or associated DLLs/library files.
08:51 <Cepheid> As a result, reverse-engineering the DRM is possible in every case.
08:51 <Cepheid> How long it takes is the question.
08:52 <Cepheid> About the only approach known to work is "game must be played online"
08:52 <Cepheid> Which has it's ups and downs.
08:53 <Unixkitty> Which people consider to be such a boo, don't they
08:53 <Cepheid> It causes problems, yeah.
08:53 <Cepheid> Namely, at launch, the servers will be hammered so hard that it's impossible to predict just how bad it'll be.
08:53 <Cepheid> So the game won't work out of the gate, until the flood slows.
08:54 <Cepheid> And if the servers ever go down, or become unreachable because of Internet disruptions..
08:54 <ConfusionRift> I would try anyways. If I start a gaming project, I would like to see it pan through. Despite the piracy, media issues, and IP protection, I would like to go forth with it and try to make something from scratch that actually works and is fun to play. (shrugs) Though, turning that time into a form of income is not a bad thing.
08:54 <Cepheid> Then there's the risk of denial-of-service attacks and such disrupting the game.
08:54 <RazorSharpFang> I'm totally gonna try anyway.
08:54 <RazorSharpFang> Maybe give whatever the current crowdfunding site is.
08:54 <Unixkitty> And imagine the experience you'll get in creating such a project
08:55 <ConfusionRift> There's that too.
08:55 <Cepheid> Truth is, deep down I want to try anyways. I'm just frustrated that people are such assholes about any attempt by creators other than Youtube folks to make money.
08:55 <ConfusionRift> And I agree.
08:56 <ConfusionRift> It's just beyond frustrating.
08:56 <Unixkitty> Well, people are generally just that when it comes to content. So to be honest there's not much to be done about it
08:56 <Unixkitty> In the end it's still do or do not
08:56 <Cepheid> An artist draws or paints something? People want it for free. A musician creates music? The public wants it for free. An indie or triple-A studio makes a game? Public wants it for free. A youtube artist makes money off of stuff that isn't theirs? No one bats an eye or cares.
08:57 <Cepheid> I find it increasingly distressing how much Youtube is somehow responsible for a lot of the problems regarding content ownership.
08:58 <Unixkitty> And they are actually the ones youtubers make money thanks to
08:58 <ConfusionRift> It's a weird thing, ain't it.
08:58 <Cepheid> Or the erosion of morality in the viewers. I mean, Paul Logan is still around on Youtube, making money. Nevermind all the controversies.
08:59 <ConfusionRift> Funny enough, for the most parts, controversies actually translate into more money.
08:59 <Cepheid> Pretty much.
08:59 <Cepheid> Turns out, the more immoral you are, the better.
08:59 <Cepheid> Try to make an honest living, and you may as well be killing babies by drowning them in sulfuric acid.
08:59 <RazorSharpFang> This might actually just be a big indictment of humanity as a whole.
09:00 <ConfusionRift> It's like that kid that sudden;y turns into a bully, just because they find it more popular.
09:00 <ConfusionRift> Wait... no... not going there... I'm gonna halt myself.
09:01 <Cepheid> One of the reasons I want to make games is to make someone happy, but then when you look at everything going on, it makes you want to ask: Why bother?
09:01 <Cepheid> Why make people who are assholes feel better?
09:01 <ConfusionRift> I gotta admit, it's been a wall for me.
09:02 <Unixkitty> For some the answer ends up being to make themselves happy instead.
09:02 <Cepheid> Don't mean to get dark here, but that is one of the many reasons I question why I continue to exist.
09:02 <Unixkitty> They create something they love, with some thought that other people may want to enjoy it as well.
09:03 <Cepheid> I seem so different from the norm among society. Everything I want is so contradictory to everything else, that what is the purpose of living anymore?
09:03 <Cepheid> I am more of an annoyance to society than anything else, because I'm an outlier.
09:03 <Unixkitty> That's kind of the point of my last sentiment I suppose
09:03 <Unixkitty> The problem usually lies in thinking that there's reason to please others
09:04 <Cepheid> Creating something I love in the hopes that others might love it isn't going to get me anywhere in life.
09:04 <Unixkitty> When the answer usually comes with a question of why bother if they're not that worth it?
09:04 <Unixkitty> Some may be, but those will find you if they want to
09:05 <Unixkitty> Whether you'd like to admit or not Cepheid, that's how it all started :P
09:05 <Unixkitty> And how it works when something is genuine, usually.
09:06 <Cepheid> The only thing I have to hold onto that keeps my life worth living is my cat.
09:07 <Cepheid> Were it not for that, I likely wouldn't be here. My friends, my family, etc. It's not enough for me to keep living. Especially with my temper and mood swings.
09:07 <Unixkitty> Cats are life though. In so many ways.
09:07 <Cepheid> As I re-iterate every time I get like this, I am a burden upon society.
09:08 <Unixkitty> Only if you keep thinking that you're here for their sake, my friend.
09:08 <Cepheid> I don't produce anything of value or use. And I just keep taking and taking from everything else.
09:08 <Unixkitty> I think this is exactly where I've been a few years ago.
09:09 <Unixkitty> So do most others
09:09 <Unixkitty> Who cares in the end? We are of entropy, of chaos
09:09 <Unixkitty> Our purpose in this existence is to cause instability in the universe
09:09 <Unixkitty> That's what life is
09:09 <Cepheid> Let's see, I accept money in the form of loans and grants, and that money comes from somewhere. Presumably the taxes people pay. I am a sickly person, so I regularly need medical visits and psychiatric visits, which are paid for by the country-wide health care system, which itself is paid for by taxes.
09:10 <Cepheid> I live with my parents because I can't afford to live on my own, 'cause I can't get a job in a field I'm good at. Either because I'm just too lazy, or my personality just doesn't fit. Not sure which.
09:10 <Cepheid> And on a regular basis I bother you all with this stuff, taking your time, exhausting your energy in attempting to calm me down, etc, etc, etc.
09:10 <Finwe> It's snowing! o3o
09:11 <Cepheid> And what do I give in return for it all? Pretty much nothing.
09:11 * Finwe throws a snowball at Unixkitty.
09:11 <Cepheid> I'm a drain, a black hole.
09:11 <Unixkitty> Hmm :P Yep, so the first one is "those" people are paying for you
09:11 <Unixkitty> Sounds like a good deal to me
09:11 <Unixkitty> They are bad, so their money is worth it
09:12 * Unixkitty yelps and falls over, flailing
09:13 <Cepheid> I wonder how many more times these little episodes are gonna keep happening, to be honest.
09:13 <Unixkitty> Saturday night a friend and I were walking from their place to metro and it was SNOWING too, Finwe
09:13 <Unixkitty> But boy what kind of ridiculous snow it was
09:14 <Cepheid> On the upside, the episodes aren't as bad as they used to be.
09:14 <Cepheid> So the medication is helping.
09:15 <Unixkitty> I have come to believe that they only happen for as long as you're here for _them_.
09:15 <ConfusionRift> I don't know how, but for some reason, I felt it would lead to this point. But yeah, it's... better. I really hate to label it that, but it's more under control.
09:16 <Unixkitty> I can't tell you in how much of a stress I used to be finding myself in when I hadn't been able to think any other way
09:16 <Unixkitty> I didn't even realize how terrible it was until I was able to think about it from a different viewpoint.
09:16 <Cepheid> I just find it annoying that it's self-fueling.
09:17 <Unixkitty> Hah, that's exactly how it is I would say
09:17 <Cepheid> I get into a depressive/annoyed mood, I bother other people with it, which itself them further fuels it.
09:17 <Cepheid> All because I don't want to bother other people with it.
09:18 <ConfusionRift> That is the basis of a depression loop.
09:18 <Unixkitty> I say, bother them!
09:18 <Unixkitty> In the end, only you care
09:18 <Cepheid> In any case, I've something else that annoys me now anyways.
09:18 <Unixkitty> Be careful about it, because a rational person can be
09:18 <Cepheid> The lab coordinator seems to be expressing stupid views.
09:18 <Unixkitty> But feel free to!
09:18 <Cepheid> He doesn't want students bothering the TAs with questions about the assignments.
09:18 <ConfusionRift> Hmm? Please, feel us in.
09:18 <Cepheid> ... That's what we're bloody here for!
09:19 <Cepheid> This university is run by morons.
09:19 <Cepheid> Every layer of it.
09:19 * ConfusionRift facepalms. Yes, he replaced his hooves for this.
09:19 <Cepheid> His argument for the request that students stop bugging us outside of office hours is that it's unfair to the other students.
09:20 <Cepheid> So, pray tell, how is it not unfair to other students when a student shows up at my office hours, and asks me a question, a question that no one else in the class will hear an answer to?
09:20 <Cepheid> Of course, as the lab coordinator is my boss, I can't say anything.
09:20 <Cepheid> Otherwise, I'd tell him that his request is stupid, and that his logic is stupid.
09:21 <ConfusionRift> And that all he does is stupid. And the regulations, norms, and algorithms used for it are stupid.
09:21 <ConfusionRift> ...I'm sorry.
09:22 <Cepheid> Also, none of the students are likely to get this weeks "tutorial" running.
09:22 <ConfusionRift> ...heh?
09:22 <Cepheid> I followed the instructions detailed by it.
09:22 <Cepheid> It doesn't work as expected because some steps are missed.
09:22 <ConfusionRift> Oh, I had this situation with a few facilitators.
09:23 <Cepheid> I'm starting to understand why the students don't like this course.
09:23 <Cepheid> The instructor doesn't bother to do a decent job in keeping things up to date, or making sure they work.
09:26 <Cepheid> I didn't have a problem with it because I can work around problems like that.
09:26 <ConfusionRift> "We used all the parameters, variables, arrays, processes, and steps you asked for. It doesn't work at all." | "Well... the assignment was to figure out the problem, and find a solution for the problem. It seems you didn't pass." | I did. | "Oh good, mind showing-" | No. I wanna see YOUR solution first. | "...erm..."
09:26 * Koopz catches up... well look at that avalanche i let loose...
09:26 <Cepheid> Tutorials aren't problem-solving things.
09:26 <Cepheid> They're "Here, follow the instructions, they'll teach you how to do X."
09:26 <Cepheid> As in, the end-result is supposed to be a working program.
09:27 <Cepheid> It's literally a case of copy-and-paste the code.
09:27 <ConfusionRift> The problem I pointed out was when a facilitator tries to use the whole "the fun was for you to find the solution" excuse to walk away from the mess.
09:27 <Cepheid> And yet, despite this, it doesn't work.
09:27 <Cepheid> Heh.
09:28 <Cepheid> Koopz: Don't worry about it.
09:28 <Cepheid> My mind's a strange an annoying place.
09:28 <ConfusionRift> Of course not. If the code is outdated, it will likely not work at all.
09:28 <Unixkitty> "Copy-and-paste the code" are exactly the kind of tutorials that I could never learn much from
09:28 <Cepheid> Same.
09:29 <Unixkitty> After following them and even creating the end result, I'd be left with naught but a vague idea of what I'd done
09:29 <Cepheid> But at the same time, I do manage to learn from them by doing something called "reading the manual on what I just used."
09:29 <Cepheid> I see these functions. I see these classes being instantiated.
09:29 <Cepheid> All I have to do is use Google or some other search engine to look them up.
09:30 <Cepheid> The problem is that nooooot many people do this, because there's no indication that they should be doing this.
09:30 <Cepheid> Not once thus far have I seen any professor in a programming course teach that students should search for information on what it is they just did in a lab/tutorial.
09:31 <ConfusionRift> At one class, there was this issue that the tutorial was just not working whatsoever. The reason why was because it was jumping between processes, so you would be basically doing step 5 on step 3, and step 11 on step 4.
09:31 <Cepheid> Can't count the number of times I've directed people to specific documentation by giving them keywords to look up with Google.
09:31 <Cepheid> And oftentimes, those students usually solve the problem a while later.
09:31 <ConfusionRift> And one of the frigging Java books! Urgh, I remember!
09:31 <Cepheid> There's another source of trouble, ConfusionRift, that involves expectations of education.
09:32 <Cepheid> Can't count the number of times I've heard students complain that the professor isn't explaining or teaching everything to them.
09:32 <Cepheid> And when I say "everything" I mean "everything" as in, the students are expecting the professor to teach them every little detail about JavaScript from it's inception to today.
09:32 <Cepheid> Or in C, C++, C#, Java, etc.
09:33 <ConfusionRift> One of the editions of one of the Java books was missing a whole page. A tutorial was there, so... pffft.
09:33 <Cepheid> If there's one thing I've learned in the last 22 years of writing code that isn't "I can't complete projects", it's that "Don't expect everything to be taught to me, I'll have to learn some of it through self-teaching."
09:34 <Cepheid> Even learning things from other programmers is flaky at best.
09:34 <Cepheid> You might learn a technique or two at best, if you show them your code. But more often than not you'll be told to RTFM or directed to a reference instead.
09:34 <Koopz> hmmm... i'd actually blame the schools the students went to before studying for not being able to teach them how to research things on their own and just practicted hardcore spoonfeeding
09:35 <Cepheid> I don't know where it starts Koopz, mostly because in comparison to many students, I had a slightly different educational setup.
09:35 <ConfusionRift> Heh, not where I studied. Then again, I moved to the Internet way late. So I was kinda forced to do research on libraries for assignments.
09:35 <Cepheid> Among being told to not listen to some teachers and just sleep in class or something, I also didn't attend high school.
09:36 <Cepheid> Plus I moved around a lot during grade school.
09:36 <Cepheid> I must have gone through about six or seven different schools over my childhood.
09:36 <ConfusionRift> That didn't help.
09:36 <Cepheid> So I got different teaching styles from different teachers every year
09:37 <Cepheid> My expectations of teachers may have been flawed because of that. But I think it was mostly the lack of going to high school.
09:37 <Cepheid> Because at that point, everything I learned was self-taught. I didn't ask questions of anyone at the distance education facility.
09:37 <Cepheid> I literally figured everything out on my own.
09:38 <Cepheid> If I didn't understand something, or got a wrong answer, it was on me, not on someone else not being able to express it in terms and concepts that I could understand.
09:38 <Cepheid> Now that I think about it, that may have a lot to do with the whole problem of expecting to figure everything out on my own in college and university.
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09:40 <ConfusionRift> The heck kind of address is that?
09:40 <Cepheid> "North American Coax" as in, Coaxial
09:40 <Cepheid> Likely just an alternative way of saying "Cable Internet"
09:40 <Cepheid> As such internet uses coaxial cable at the household level.
09:41 <ConfusionRift> I know, it's just.... hold on.
09:41 * ConfusionRift steps out for a second, laughing.
09:42 <Cepheid> Would you rather it read "Comcast" or "Verizon"?
09:43 <ConfusionRift> I know, they're basically just the same. I don't know why, I just found it kinda funny.
09:45 <ConfusionRift> It's like, I dunno, @pony-z3p0rm.us.cableinternetthatgoesonthebackofthehouse.
09:45 <Cepheid> Heh.
09:45 <Cepheid> Anyhow, I just noticed the time. I need to go take a shower.
09:45 <Cepheid> I shall be back in 15 or so minutes.
09:45 <ConfusionRift> Alrighty.
09:45 <Koopz> we talking about these? https://us.123rf.com/450wm/ludinko/ludinko1505/ludinko150500008/40309297-older-coaxial-ethernet-cable-with-bnc-terminals-and-new-with-rj45-connectors.jpg?ver=6
09:46 <ConfusionRift> Yes.
09:46 <ConfusionRift> Well, that's a type.
09:47 <Koopz> one of the older rooms at my professional school had really old computers that actually used those
09:47 <Koopz> 10 Mbit/s! whew
09:48 <ConfusionRift> You know, the cable that one hooks up the modem to the web, or the TV to the cable or antenna.
09:48 <ConfusionRift> We still use that cable.
09:50 <Koopz> yeah we use it to connect our satellite to the TV, but the usage in networking is rather rare
09:50 <Koopz> oh wait
09:50 <ConfusionRift> Or how about connecting to the Interwebs through one of these? https://www.cablesondemand.com/images/products/MP-5TRJ12EXTE.jpg
09:51 <Koopz> i simply managed to avoid cable internet and cable tv all these years
09:52 <ConfusionRift> We found it was faster to just get the information from a book. :P
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10:18 <Cepheid> Back.
10:21 <ConfusionRift> Welcome baaack.
10:21 <Cepheid> Thanks.
10:25 * Cepheid keels over, holding stomach.
10:26 <ConfusionRift> o_0
10:27 <Cepheid> Blood-glucose thing, happens now and then.
10:27 <ConfusionRift> Hmm? What's wrong?
10:27 <ConfusionRift> Aaah.
10:28 <Cepheid> Basically my stomach looks inward into it's own abyss, goes insane, shudders then returns to normal.
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10:35 <Cepheid> Spitfire's bolting around like a bat outta hell.
10:39 <Cepheid> https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2014/04/23
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10:45 <ConfusionRift> All hail the holy fondue!
10:47 <Cepheid> That's some gouda cheese. Watch out with that cheddar knife, it's sharp.
10:48 <ConfusionRift> Haaah! :P
11:10 <ConfusionRift> Yeah, slow with them puns.
11:13 <Koopz> i'd join the church of cheese
11:13 <Koopz> i could bath in it
11:17 * Surreal_Nightmares curls up on ConfusionRift and uses Cepheid as a blanket and Koopz as a plushie! She goes sleepies!
11:17 <Surreal_Nightmares> Nini!
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11:17 <ConfusionRift> Have a good one!
11:17 <Cepheid> How long shall it be before a bus shows up today I wonder.
11:19 <ConfusionRift> Depends on how drunk the driver is?
11:19 <ConfusionRift> Wait...
11:22 <Cepheid> Amazingly that has happened.
11:23 <Cepheid> As well as bus drivers on smartphones. Or doing paperwork while driving.
11:30 <ConfusionRift> Yep. Heard of those.
11:31 <ConfusionRift> Because, you know, carrying that many passengers is not that important.
11:33 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift.
11:33 <Finwe> o7
11:33 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
11:36 <Cepheid> Once, lack of attention resulted in the lower front section of a double decker bus getting slammed into by a train.
11:38 <Cepheid> OCTranspo got out of a fine for it despite all evidence and witnesses suggesting the driver wasn't paying attention and failed to use the brakes to slow down before entering the train crossing. The reason? The bus driver was dead so they couldn't ask him what happened.
11:39 <ConfusionRift> Wasn't there a case of a driver not paying attention and careening a buss over a hill- wait, huh?!
11:39 <ConfusionRift> The heck is- okay, that wins.
11:39 <Cepheid> A year later practically almost to the say the same type of incident occurred again at the train crossing. But no train hit that bus that time.
11:40 <Cepheid> Bus drivers in this city are... They aren't very good at their jobs and they are getting worse.
11:41 <Cepheid> Few weeks ago I hurt my arm because a bus was speeding and slammed on the brakes hard.
11:41 <Cepheid> Continued speeding afterwards too. Was a terrifying ride. Ran over a speed bump at high speed.
11:42 <Cepheid> Anyhow. At school. Back in a bit. I need to be careful moving around as my parents are slightly paranoid right now. Afraid I'll trip and break a bone or something.
11:43 <Finwe> Well, I'm going to brave the snowy conditions and ride my bike to the university.
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11:51 <ConfusionRift> Have fun in the ice, Finwe. :P
11:51 <ConfusionRift> Actually, gonna go rest, or try to. See ya laters!
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11:56 * Cepheid pets Unixkitty.
11:58 * Unixkitty leans in, brushing against Cepheid
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12:10 <Cepheid> Gotta remember to call the clinic to cancel my appointment tomorrow, since I won't be able to attend it. =.=
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12:21 <Cepheid> Dealt with that already.
12:21 <Cepheid> No longer have to worry about it.
12:24 <Cepheid> ..
12:24 <Cepheid> There's all of three students here for the tutorial period.
12:26 <Unixkitty> The "learners"
12:28 <Finwe> À propos clinic, I have to make an appointment for some blood tests this week.
12:30 <Cepheid> Oh, we got a few moreshowing up.
12:48 <Cepheid> So far a quiet morning.
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12:54 <Vulpor> Hey everyone
13:00 <Unixkitty> Bah
13:00 <Vulpor> Hey there
13:00 <Unixkitty> Heya
13:00 <Unixkitty> How can a package simply not install because there are no headers to build it with
13:01 <Unixkitty> Can't it get them somewhere on it's own?
13:01 <Unixkitty> There are none in any relevant package manager
13:01 <RazorSharpFang> Well, how do you know that they're even trustworthy if they're from elsewhere?
13:02 <Vulpor> So I gotta ask this is anyone here playing RDR2
13:02 <Unixkitty> Elsewhere is supposed to only include the official site, repo or one of designated destibutors
13:02 <Vulpor> If so, I highly suggest we form a gang and name it.................
13:03 <Vulpor> The Apple Dumpling gang
13:03 <Unixkitty> It's a game that does not exist
13:03 <Vulpor> name all our horses after Apples
13:03 <Unixkitty> Along with any other that's not on PC
13:04 <Vulpor> lol I know
13:05 <Unixkitty> And with such a relatively common package, one would think at least someone somewhere would have tried installing it the same way I am...
13:05 <Vulpor> I gots a PS3
13:05 <Vulpor> 4 rather
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14:00 <Koopz> we just found out that our company's chat client supports Katex
14:00 <Koopz> https://katex.org/
14:01 <Cepheid> What package Unixkitty?
14:01 <Unixkitty> libxml2 for python3, macOS
14:01 <Unixkitty> I ended up giving up
14:02 <Koopz> common package indeed
14:02 <Unixkitty> Yep, but none of the headers or whatever I link or export are good enough for it to build
14:03 <Unixkitty> And there is no formula either
14:05 <Cepheid> Fun fun. Can't help. Don't run MacOS. Nor do I deal in pythons.
14:07 <Koopz> well python doesn't exactly matter at this point if he can't build libxml2 :D
14:09 <Koopz> where did you get the sources?
14:09 <Koopz> ftp://xmlsoft.org/libxml2/libxml2-sources-2.9.7.tar.gz ?
14:10 <Koopz> there's a libxml.h in there
14:10 <Unixkitty> Yep, and for some reason linking it does nothing
14:11 <Unixkitty> There is even a shipped libxml2 with macOS, still not enough
14:19 <RazorSharpFang> MacOS eh? Hrrrrmmm
14:20 <Koopz> thought "it just works"
14:20 <RazorSharpFang> Macs working? You don't work on a mac.
14:21 <RazorSharpFang> You admire the aesthetic.
14:21 <Cepheid> ... libxml2 is not a python library.
14:21 <Koopz> so all these Javascript devs are actually just playing youtube videos and make it look like they're programming? :o
14:22 <Cepheid> Pretty much, Koopz.
14:22 <Cepheid> I can confirm. I am TAing a course in JavaScript.
14:22 <RazorSharpFang> Koopz, if they're actually working on a mac, then that's using the mac for what it wasn't designed for.
14:22 <Cepheid> I see a bunch of students just wasting time.
14:23 <Koopz> i think you misunderstood :D
14:23 <Koopz> i may have worded that badly
14:25 <Koopz> >play youtube video of someone programming in fullscreen, hammer on keyboard and pretend you're the one making the code appear on the screen
14:26 <Cepheid> Truth told, at this point I'm not even sure the professor for this course knows what he's doing.
14:26 <RazorSharpFang> *accidentally hit the sound on* "And now we will show you how to obtain the passwords from these password hashes that we stole"
14:26 <Koopz> obviously you have to make sure that youtuber uses "Zen mode" so noone can see which OS he's using
14:27 <Koopz> abort mission! abort mission! i repeat! abort mission!
14:27 <Cepheid> Pretty sure that breakfast I ate is going straight to my heart, but... eh.
14:27 <Cepheid> Protein-heavy, and filling.
14:28 <Koopz> https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/aggretsuko/images/3/33/PRO-TEYYYYN.gif/revision/latest?cb=20180514181255
14:29 <Cepheid> I'm being told to eat protein, so..
14:29 <Cepheid> By my psych doctor.
14:29 <RazorSharpFang> What sources are you employing?
14:30 <Cepheid> Sausages, eggs, tofu.
14:30 <Cepheid> But the sausages here were extremely oily and salty.
14:32 <Koopz> If you want to hang out, you've gotta take her out, protein~
14:32 <Koopz> If you want to get down, get down on the ground, protein~
14:32 <Cepheid> I don't even want to know what that's from.
14:32 <Koopz> Eric Clapton o3o
14:32 <Cepheid> Ah.
14:32 <Cepheid> I am not a huge old-person music fan.
14:33 <Koopz> that song kinda stuck in my head the moment i heard the kangaroo spelling proteyyyn
14:34 <Cepheid> I'm stuck here for 3 hours.
14:34 <Cepheid> I have 3 hours to do whatever.
14:34 <Koopz> that's 2 movies
14:34 <Koopz> or roughly 9 anime episodes
14:35 <Cepheid> No headphones.
14:35 <Koopz> manga it is
14:35 <Cepheid> That or programming.
14:36 <Cepheid> Or cat pictures. o3o
15:00 <Cepheid> I'm thinking I'd just go home early. The lecture today is in linguistics and.. well... it doesn't cover anything fantastic.
15:08 * Cepheid wanders off to catch bus. Is too tired and exhausted. x.x;
15:10 <Finwe> Capt Koopz.
15:10 <Finwe> o7
15:10 <Koopz> Radm. Finwe o7
15:11 <Koopz> is it really Capt? not Cpt?
15:11 <Finwe> It should be "Capt".
15:12 <Finwe> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Army_officer_rank_insignia
15:12 <Koopz> is isn't "Leut" or "ReAdm" either o3o
15:12 <Finwe> Yes, it is most definitely "Capt".
15:12 <Koopz> huh
15:12 <Finwe> RAdm has the A capitalised, by the way.
15:13 <Koopz> yeah i usually capitalize it too
15:13 <Koopz> typo'd there
15:15 <Koopz> US army actually uses Cpt
15:15 <Koopz> air force, navy and coast guard "Capt"
15:15 <Koopz> o3o
15:18 <Cepheid> The bus arrives just as I got to the station. Almost as if life is telling me to go home and recover from lack of sleep.
15:25 <Unixkitty> I'm probably going to go to sleep earlier tonight as well, don't believe I've had enough sleep this night
15:26 <Unixkitty> Even though I'd slept straight for 11 hours.
15:29 <Koopz> that's the problem
15:29 <Koopz> you slept too long
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15:31 <Unixkitty> Not really, I haven't been to bed the night before
15:31 <Unixkitty> As in awake for around 48 hours
15:32 <Unixkitty> 36*
15:34 <RazorSharpFang> That's not healthy. [Citation Needed]
15:34 <Unixkitty> Obviously :P
15:35 <Unixkitty> First time in many months though, and it's kind of hard to sleep after being at a crazy music event 'till 8 am :P
15:41 <Koopz> you mean when your tinnitus is all you can hear in your bed?
15:41 <Koopz> alcohol usually helps :P
15:42 <Koopz> in addition to that i usually put on my headphones and turn on some music
15:42 <Unixkitty> More like I've had so much energy leftover in me I couldn't stop hearing music and trying to dance to it
15:42 * Koopz blinks
15:42 <Koopz> o...kay
15:42 <Unixkitty> And alcohol only makes me wake up constantly after about an hour
15:43 <Unixkitty> It was a trance music event
15:43 <Unixkitty> Trust me, there is a special kind of energy there
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15:51 <LibrarianofHope> sounds fun
15:51 <LibrarianofHope> funky kitty does trances
15:52 <LibrarianofHope> i restarted watching castlevania on netflix to do something spoopy
15:52 <LibrarianofHope> im truly ready for nanowrimo, its going to be a glorious month
15:55 <Cepheid> Trance music party sounds fun. Too bad such things don't happen here in Ottawa. This city is a bunch of prudes. Politicians. Gotta ruin everything.
15:56 <Unixkitty> Too bad...
15:57 <LibrarianofHope> we have all kinds of stuuf here, really diverse city
16:00 <Cepheid> Ottawa is boring as hell. The only fun place is downtown, in one small area, and the bus system shuts down when the places open. Oh and it also seems to be the center of all the violence here.
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16:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Electronic Music: UndreamedPanic & Doodled - Style [Hip Hop/Trap] / PVNK - Exterminatus (Metapony Remix) [Dubstep] [ http://tinyurl.com/yc4vlsha ]
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16:08 <Cepheid> I want to pick up some RGB LED light strips and set em up around my bedroom for some funky programmable lighting.
16:08 <Cepheid> Am I weird for this?
16:09 <Unixkitty> Will you believe that I've been having this exact idea recently?
16:09 <Cepheid> Yes.
16:09 <Unixkitty> Mainly revolves around looking at all these RGB builds people make and the fact that I have a Pi for that.
16:10 <Cepheid> I lack hardware myself, but picking it up wouldn't be a problem.
16:10 <Cepheid> But it strikes me as something fun to code.
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16:13 <LibrarianofHope> tech talk is hard owo
16:15 <Unixkitty> Any "talk" is hard if it's not something you delve into
16:16 <LibrarianofHope> yep
16:16 <LibrarianofHope> i need a writer buddy to talk shop
16:18 <Cepheid> I need more programmer lines to talk with. Problem is all the controversial topics that are bound to pop up.
16:19 <LibrarianofHope> owo
16:19 <Unixkitty> Freenode is a great network for that, Cepheid
16:19 <Cepheid> Like curly braces on the same line as the function, or the next line. Or clang over GCC. Or using Standard C or GNU extensions.
16:20 <Cepheid> Or more seriously, stuff like Microsoft contributing to the OSI and so on.
16:21 <Cepheid> Or Linus somehow becoming polite after a 3-week retreat.
16:21 <Cepheid> Or a BSD talking of removing 10/100 ethernet drivers.
16:22 <Unixkitty> People do talk about these kinds of things there as well :P
16:22 <Cepheid> I'd prefer not to get involved in such conversations. You know why.
16:22 <Unixkitty> There are channels for related talk and for specific topic talk
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16:23 <Cepheid> True.
16:23 <Unixkitty> I don't know, I've seen countless times people debating for hours upon hours
16:23 <Unixkitty> About any significance thing they thought had been important at the time
16:30 <Cepheid> Yeah. The tech world is somewhat... Divisive. Not a lot of agreement going on.
16:31 <RazorSharpFang> CamelCase > c_style
16:31 <Unixkitty> camelCase* :P
16:32 <RazorSharpFang> Maybe if camelCase is a method of attribute of a class, but not if it's the class.
16:32 <Unixkitty> MyBestestClassOfAwesomeSignificance
16:33 <Cepheid> Short class names > meaningful and descriptive names.
16:33 <Cepheid> Java class names are too loooong </annoying developer>
16:34 <Unixkitty> Yep, if you're thinking about a descriptive class name, it likely deserves it's own package.
16:35 <RazorSharpFang> SomeRidiculousFactoryAssemblingClass<SomeStupidFactory> aRidiculousNamingConvention;
16:35 <Cepheid> People complain about even that, Unixkitty. They treat packages as if they are some horribly diseased thing.
16:35 <Unixkitty> :P
16:36 <Cepheid> Such people I presume have never touched namespaces outside of "using namespace std"
16:37 <Cepheid> I once had a friend who objected to me using "std" because it had a negative connotation in their language.
16:38 <RazorSharpFang> s** transmitted d**
16:39 <RazorSharpFang> No one wants to use it.
16:39 * RazorSharpFang writes his own vector class that slowly leaks memory
16:40 <LibrarianofHope> i have a good use for std in spanish
16:40 <LibrarianofHope> super taquitos dorados
16:40 <LibrarianofHope> suoer crunchy tacos
16:42 * Cepheid designs a vector implementation that doubles in size every time it becomes full.
16:44 * Cepheid deprecates java.util.Date
16:45 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, it's been that way for a while.
16:46 <Cepheid> How did that assignment go anyway?
16:46 <RazorSharpFang> I present it in class on Wednesday.
16:46 <Cepheid> Wish I could watch.
16:50 <Cepheid> Spitfire, why do you like this bed all of a sudden?
16:51 <RazorSharpFang> Weirdest part is that we had a teammate who dropped out without telling us.
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16:51 <Schism[Ohio]> Hello for hi.
16:53 <Cepheid> Hey Schism. Also, that sounds normal Razor.
16:53 <Schism[Ohio]> Cepheid: My cat here is very, very loud. I'd forgotten how loud.
16:53 <Cepheid> Even moreso if there was an exam recently.
16:53 <Schism[Ohio]> Every two minutes he'll come up asking for more brushies. Heh.
16:53 <Cepheid> I am familiar with loud cats yes.
16:54 <Cepheid> Spitfire has gotten loud as of late due to my mother. And prior to Spitfire and Tizzy, we would get serenaded by Pepper on a regular basis.
16:54 <RazorSharpFang> Well, maybe it should be normal to drop out without telling teammates.
16:55 <RazorSharpFang> I spent a week pinging him on literally every platform.
16:55 <Cepheid> He was a loud cat. Miss him. Especially since he didnt really get a lot of proper treatment near the end. His loud meowing resulted in a lot of aggravation for the parents.
16:55 * Schism[Ohio] hugs Cepheid.
16:56 <Cepheid> Again razor, pretty typical of students.
16:56 <LibrarianofHope> meowpera
16:56 <Cepheid> Group projects are not things students want to do.
16:57 <Cepheid> Thry dont mind working in groups. Just not at school.
16:57 <LibrarianofHope> i did not want to be a student
16:57 <LibrarianofHope> im not taking more grades, i hate school
16:57 <Cepheid> And thanks Schism, but it is fine. Pepper led a long life. 21 years.
16:58 <Cepheid> Kay, show of hands. Who here doesn't hate school?
16:59 * LibrarianofHope sees a hand in the back, but launches preemtive salmonç
17:02 <Cepheid> Hey monster.
17:03 <RazorSharpFang> School got a lot better for me once year 10 hit.
17:03 <ADragonDreaming> monster?
17:03 <RazorSharpFang> Once year 10 occurs, students have the option of dropping out of school if they want to pick up a trade.
17:03 <Cepheid> Nickname for my cat.
17:03 <RazorSharpFang> So, naturally, all the "problematic" students leave as soon as year 10 hits.
17:03 <ADragonDreaming> ah
17:04 <Cepheid> I'll never understand this cat. He is the only cat I know of who likes getting his ears played with.
17:05 <Cepheid> Every other cat i have ever touched hates having their ears rubbed or played with.
17:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: The Mysterious Case of Princess Erroria [ http://tinyurl.com/y8mrz5ml ]
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17:10 <Cepheid> And then there is this. His attempt to mount my arm for some reason.
17:26 <LibrarianofHope> weird cato is muc weird
17:29 <Cepheid> Garo cat-o
17:30 <Schism[Ohio]> My cat rather likes his ears being played with. And for some reason also plays fetch.
17:31 <LibrarianofHope> schism is in ohio?
17:31 <LibrarianofHope> watcha doing in ohio?
17:31 <Schism[Ohio]> Visiting my father in hospital.
17:32 <LibrarianofHope> ahhh
17:32 <LibrarianofHope> nuuuu
17:32 <Schism[Ohio]> It is a thing. He's getting better.
17:32 <LibrarianofHope> yay
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17:39 <Cepheid> Schism, I want pictures of your cats.
17:39 <Cepheid> And spiderman!
17:40 <Schism[Ohio]> I shall find you a picture of my cat. Or take you a picture of my cat. One of the two.
17:40 <Cepheid> Much thanks.
17:40 <Cepheid> Also it is good to hear your father is doing better.
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17:41 * Schism[Ohio] nodnods.
17:42 <Schism[Ohio]> Thank you.
17:43 <RazorSharpFang> I can't believe that terfs still exist myself.
17:46 <Schism[Ohio]> They do indeed. Never underestimate the willingness of people, no matter what cause they champion, to also support a cause which wants to eliminate other human beings.
17:46 <RazorSharpFang> There was a bunch of "propoganda" I saw sticky-taped to trees.
17:47 <Schism[Ohio]> No convenient lamp posts?
17:47 <Cepheid> Terfs?
17:47 <RazorSharpFang> Not within the university grounds.
17:47 <RazorSharpFang> TransExclusionaryRadicalFeminists.
17:47 <Cepheid> Ah.
17:48 <RazorSharpFang> Interesting folk, but I haven't managed to get a conversation with any of them. They're not willing to talk to me.
17:48 <RazorSharpFang> Well, not in real life anyhow.
17:49 <Schism[Ohio]> Ah, well, you see, you were born with a Y chromosome.
17:49 <RazorSharpFang> How dare I.
17:49 <Schism[Ohio]> Alas, RazorSharpFang! Now you can't be a part of their club.
17:50 <RazorSharpFang> Speaking of, I'm still intruiged by this webcomic artist. They suddenly turned into a terf a few years back and their content did a 270.
17:50 <Schism[Ohio]> That's... interesting. Which comic?
17:51 <RazorSharpFang> It's... not PG, but it's not adult. Not sure if okay to mention by name.
17:51 <RazorSharpFang> It's absolutely not PC though.
17:51 <Schism[Ohio]> Mm, PM I guess.
17:51 <Schism[Ohio]> I may have heard of it, hard to say.
17:52 <RazorSharpFang> Apparently, the artist turned into a Terf just after breaking up with their significant other, which... is odd.
17:52 <Schism[Ohio]> Huh, well, comic is PG-13ish, I'd say it's safe enough to mention here, but yeah. I knew that they went very pro-feminist, but I hadn't heard about the anti-trans angle.
17:53 <Schism[Ohio]> (Those familiar with webcomics have probably been given all the clues they need to follow along. Heh.)
17:54 <RazorSharpFang> I kinda preferred their content prior to their 270, but their recent work is like... it's a spectacle. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.
17:54 <RazorSharpFang> Except you get to hear a slow monologue from the driver about how none of this is their fault.
17:55 <ADragonDreaming> Characters including Slick and Monique?
17:55 <RazorSharpFang> You've got it.
17:56 <ADragonDreaming> That one lost its funny a while back.
17:56 <RazorSharpFang> I think they've kinda written themselves into a corner too, because the enemy is now literally the devil.
17:58 <RazorSharpFang> I mean, if you're compromising with the devil, that can't be what you're supposed to be, BY DEFINITION.
18:00 <RazorSharpFang> I don't know what Tatsuya Ishida's doing, but it's amazing in a weird way. A different way, but still.
18:02 <RazorSharpFang> I also can't believe that they still reliably output comics every day.
18:03 <Schism[Ohio]> Cepheid: Can you receive a file?
18:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Fanfiction: Celestia of Equestria's tonic experiment [ http://tinyurl.com/y7jsbpkd ]
18:05 <Schism[Ohio]> Oh well, here is cat. https://streamable.com/k55u2
18:09 <RazorSharpFang> What a cutesie.
18:11 <Schism[Ohio]> He is, yes.
18:19 <LibrarianofHope> cato says wassa!
18:26 <Schism[Ohio]> Cat says many things.
18:34 <LibrarianofHope> what does the fox say?
18:35 <ADragonDreaming> fox says stop asking, he's tired
18:46 <RazorSharpFang> Kajit has wares, if you have coin.
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18:57 <Schism[Ohio]> Hokay, taking off for a few. Back soonish.
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19:03 <LibrarianofHope> librarian has books, if you have card
19:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Background Music from "Best Gift Ever" Compiled Up [ http://tinyurl.com/ybawo8kz ]
19:10 <Cepheid> Bleh nodded off there. Cute cat Schism.
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19:47 * Schism[Ohio] returns, and boops pones with cups of tea.
19:48 * Schism[Ohio] ahems, tries that again. "Hiyas."
19:58 * Lumindia boops Schism's snootle
19:58 <Lumindia> :D
20:00 * Schism[Ohio] counterboops Lumindia with a pie pumpkin!
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20:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Discussion: What Should We Do During This Hiatus? [ http://tinyurl.com/ybz8wh32 ]
20:06 <Schism[Ohio]> Lumindia: 1x ogre pumpkin, 1x sweet cream, 1x pie dough, 1x nutmeg, 1x cinnamon, 3 fire shards, 3 water shards.
20:07 <Cepheid> Itchy itchy. Ears are burnin too.
20:07 <LibrarianofHope> the souls of the innocent and a silly librarian
20:07 <LibrarianofHope> oh no
20:07 * LibrarianofHope runs away
20:07 <Schism[Ohio]> Cepheid: You see cat?
20:11 <Cepheid> Yes.
20:11 <Cepheid> Kitty is vocal. Wants attention.
20:12 <Schism[Ohio]> Kitty is constantly vocal.
20:13 <Cepheid> Gib attention. Gib pets.
20:13 <Schism[Ohio]> But I do!
20:14 <Schism[Ohio]> But whenever I try to pet him on my lap, he runs off.
20:14 <Schism[Ohio]> Unless I'm trying to sleep, in which case he kneads my stomach constantly.
20:16 <Cepheid> I am gonna have to train you on how to raise a cat, arent i?
20:17 <Schism[Ohio]> Tis not my fault. He's 12 years old, and been down in Ohio with my father alone for much of that timeframe.
20:17 <Schism[Ohio]> Besides, I'll give him pettings and brushings and lots of attention and he'll be satisfied for... a minute.
20:19 <Schism[Ohio]> There, furry motor has been pet for several minutes and jumped off.
20:20 * Schism[Ohio] looks at his black jeans.
20:22 <Cepheid> Yeah don't wear blqck clothing around a white cat
20:22 <Schism[Ohio]> He is not a white cat. But he does have white fur, so same applies.
20:24 <RazorSharpFang> My cats have BOTH white and black fur.
20:24 <RazorSharpFang> You cannot win.
20:31 <LibrarianofHope> my dog looks like a cow
20:31 <LibrarianofHope> black and whiote and big and derpy looking
20:37 <Schism[Ohio]> ... TV...
20:37 <Schism[Ohio]> It's not November yet... why are you PLAYING CHRISTMAS SONGS ALREADY?! Auuuugh!
20:37 <Cepheid> Close enough!
20:37 <RazorSharpFang> "It's basically new years"
20:38 <RazorSharpFang> "It's basically easter"
20:38 <RazorSharpFang> "Only 364 days until Halloween!"
20:40 * Sleeping_Nightmares squishies
20:41 *** Sleeping_Nightmares is now known as Surreal_Nightmares
20:41 <Cepheid> Only X days until Christmas 2019!
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20:46 * Surreal_Nightmares kneads Schism[Ohio] tummy
20:47 * Schism[Ohio] offers celery wif peanut butter!
20:47 * Surreal_Nightmares gnaws on! _
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20:54 <Schism[Ohio]> Man pays 84-year-old overdue library book fine.
20:55 <Schism[Ohio]> $3 fine for the late book. He donated $1,500 instead, because.
20:55 <Schism[Ohio]> Er, $1,542. XD;
20:55 <Schism[Ohio]> I think Twilight would have approved, after she recovered from apoplectics.
20:57 <Cepheid> https://www.reddit.com/r/thisismylifenow/comments/9sdkim/these_kids_are_pricks/
21:00 <LibrarianofHope> i aprovee
21:00 <LibrarianofHope> due dates are sacred
21:02 <LibrarianofHope> albeit the whole librarian thing is taking care of books and prevent bugs/suckas/etc from destroying them
21:02 <LibrarianofHope> being a public one must be exhasperating
21:03 * Cepheid installs a humidifier in Librarian's library.
21:04 * Schism[Ohio] installs a dehumidifier next to it.
21:04 * LibrarianofHope gets some children to party hard on cepheids house
21:04 <LibrarianofHope> barney themed all day party
21:04 <LibrarianofHope> how you like em apples
21:05 * LibrarianofHope gives schism an apple
21:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: Nicolas Dominique - Autumn Ways In Happiness [Chill House] [ http://tinyurl.com/yankmfyw ]
21:05 <Schism[Ohio]> Pffff. The Bearers all attend a Nightmare Night party - an early one - as themselves. This... doesn't quite work out.
21:07 <LibrarianofHope> who are the bearers?
21:07 <LibrarianofHope> sounds like the wwe undertaker manager
21:08 * Cepheid applies a hurricane to the library.
21:08 <Schism[Ohio]> "I'm glad we have exactly the kind of reputation which, when we don't turn up somewhere on time, leads ponies to automatically head for the nearest holding cell."
21:09 * LibrarianofHope throws a schism bomb
21:09 <LibrarianofHope> in 3 minutes this schism will go boom, unless you recite 3210 numbers of pi
21:11 * Cepheid divides as the bomb explodes.
21:12 <LibrarianofHope> 2 cepheids owo
21:12 <LibrarianofHope> now you can c++ faster
21:12 <LibrarianofHope> or one can pet the catos
21:13 <Cepheid> Twice the Cepheid, twice the rage and depression.
21:18 <LibrarianofHope> rage can be molded for good. depression doubles the pills
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21:19 <Cepheid> True, but molding rage is a tricky and dangerous thing.
21:21 * Schism[Ohio] attempts to divide with zero with Cepheid's exa.
21:21 * Schism[Ohio] then attempts to swizzle a keyword.
21:22 <LibrarianofHope> makes for good reading
21:22 <LibrarianofHope> its a key basis for my nanowrimo project
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21:36 <ADragonDreaming> Schism[Ohio]: that just halts the exas
21:37 <Schism[Ohio]> I know, I know.
21:37 * Schism[Ohio] boops at this manual. https://imgur.com/a/TZEZx7N
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21:39 * Schism[Ohio] subtracts 5,000 from an item and sets the T register to T, then subtracts 5,000 from the second and sets it to F again.
21:39 *** Surreal_Nightmares is now known as Filly_Nightmares
21:41 <Schism[Ohio]> Those wondering about what the programming language for Exapunks looks like: https://imgur.com/a/TZEZx7N - warning, some spoilers I believe.
21:44 <Schism[Ohio]> "Which stands for 'point of sale' -- any similarities to another acronym that could indicate this product's quality is perfectly coincidental."
21:44 <Ali> HAHA I GET IT
21:45 <LibrarianofHope> ali gets it
21:45 <LibrarianofHope> becuase she cute
21:45 * Ali locks up LibrarianofHope in the restricted section.
21:46 * LibrarianofHope plays poker with the forbidden grimoires
21:46 <LibrarianofHope> they have the wildests tales these guys
21:47 * SunsetShimmer casually drags Ali off to the restricted section! Oh my! xD
21:47 <Ali> Especially that Canterlot Canibel's Vol. 31
21:47 * LibrarianofHope shows the ali to the guys
21:47 <LibrarianofHope> she is the cute one i was telling you about
21:48 <LibrarianofHope> dont get near the
21:48 <LibrarianofHope> tales of poverty
21:48 <LibrarianofHope> he always swindles money off me, but i take it as work thing on my taxes
21:49 <LibrarianofHope> funny enough, in the library we dont pay taxes, so im doing something wrong
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22:03 <DashedRainbows> Good afternoon horses
22:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #2784 [ http://tinyurl.com/yacnrs3k ]
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23:04 * Schism[Ohio] strokes the spine of the Monster Book of Monsters.
23:05 <LibrarianofHope> im starting to think even flipping burguers would be better
23:06 <LibrarianofHope> i hate this job and my family, this is hellish
23:06 <LibrarianofHope> im always stressed, i need to take xanax everyday
23:06 <LibrarianofHope> and my aun is going to rat me out to my father and yet even more stress
23:08 * LibrarianofHope is breaking up, as usual
23:08 <LibrarianofHope> bleh
23:10 <SunsetShimmer> I would say that if your coping mechanism daily is medication, then its not worth it
23:10 <SunsetShimmer> not even remotely
23:11 <LibrarianofHope> and stress eating and soda and buying junk
23:11 <SunsetShimmer> I think the medication part is the bigger issue
23:11 <LibrarianofHope> im under treatment
23:11 <SunsetShimmer> xanax as a regular thing? Probably not the best situation
23:11 <LibrarianofHope> its given by my medic
23:12 <SunsetShimmer> doesn't make it the best idea
23:12 <LibrarianofHope> it might not be xanax, i dont know the american equivalent
23:12 <SunsetShimmer> the fact is, librarian, you've got to do something about this sooner or later.
23:12 <LibrarianofHope> i know it as tafil
23:12 <SunsetShimmer> you cannot just struggle with it forever
23:12 <SunsetShimmer> do or do not, bud...there is no try when it comes to bettering your personal situation.
23:13 <LibrarianofHope> im trying, writing is my salvation, i cant find a job not for lack of trying
23:14 <LibrarianofHope> you have no idea how frustating it is having a product of the quality i got and be unable to do much
23:14 <LibrarianofHope> thtas why im nanowrimoing
23:15 <LibrarianofHope> i dont believe in fate, symply becuase i refuse to suffer forever
23:27 <LibrarianofHope> yep, i take xanax
23:29 * Schism[Ohio] hugs the Librarian, and offers some white moose plushes.
23:34 <LibrarianofHope> plushie1
23:35 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Fanfic Updates - October 29 [ http://tinyurl.com/ycc4sus9 ]
23:36 <LibrarianofHope> im fine, i have you and my hope, greater creators have succeded in worse, i will reach my goal
23:36 <LibrarianofHope> thanks for being there for me
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23:42 * Schism[Ohio] nodnods, "You'll do absolutely fine. I mean, Nanowrimo is a surprisingly small number of words a day, once you get going!"
23:48 <Schism[Ohio]> And even if it weren't. ^^;
23:49 * Filly_Nightmares eees at Schism[Ohio] butt
23:53 <Schism[Ohio]> Oh good. The giant inflatable colon which had earlier been stolen has since been recovered.
23:53 <Schism[Ohio]> Anyway, I'm gonna switch boxen; see you folks around!
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23:56 <PinkieShy> I think i'll go plug my xbox and tv back up.. and play some gta :D
23:56 <PinkieShy> Its been unplugged since September.. Haven't found a reason to plug it back up until now.
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23:59 <PinkieShy> dang its very dusty xD
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