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00:03 * ADragonDreaming is sat
00:04 <Finwe> Good evening, my perissodactyls of minute stature.
00:05 <Finwe> Messrs Cepheid, LibrarianofHope, Schism|Adagio, ADragonDreaming.
00:05 * Finwe doffs his hat.
00:05 * Finwe sunbursts the vampires asunder.
00:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Discussion: What is Your Honest Opinion on Friendship is Magic Episode Leaks? [ http://tinyurl.com/y9luzaho ]
00:06 <LibrarianofHope> owo
00:07 * LibrarianofHope gives finwe tofu
00:08 * Schism|Adagio returns to home, to deposit various items. Lots of items. owo; "Haven't even gotten far in the game at all, yet, and yet I'm level 26... this is what Smithing does. And Enchanting."
00:08 <LibrarianofHope> it seems the oldest beer ever was 13,000 years ago
00:08 <LibrarianofHope> in israel
00:08 <ADragonDreaming> yep
00:09 <LibrarianofHope> wonder if it was tasty
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00:09 <Schism|Adagio> Probably not by modern standards.
00:10 * Schism|Adagio seeks out more and more landmarks, before going off to get that next Wuuthrad fragment. "I should also perhaps join the Thieves' Guild, shouldn't I."
00:11 <LibrarianofHope> i heard the initiation fee was a steal
00:13 <Finwe> Schism|Adagio: You can also bust the Thieves' Guild. o3o
00:13 <Schism|Adagio> I know, I know, but I'd much rather do the Nocturnal questline. It's quite fun.
00:13 <LibrarianofHope> burn the city
00:13 <LibrarianofHope> sell it as real state
00:13 <LibrarianofHope> blame it on a demon, rinse and repeat
00:14 <LibrarianofHope> that sounds like a chessy novel owo
00:14 <Finwe> A daedric plot.
00:14 <Finwe> !plot
00:14 <DerpyBot> *wigglewiggle*
00:14 <Finwe> *wigglewiggle*
00:14 <LibrarianofHope> im exhausted
00:15 <LibrarianofHope> friggin day im having
00:16 <LibrarianofHope> i want a more relaxed life.
00:16 <LibrarianofHope> like eldritch abomination hunter or tnt juggler
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00:22 * Finwe sends Schism|Adagio to Morthall to assassinate a merchant there.
00:22 <Finwe> Or was it Markarth?
00:23 <Finwe> Definitely Markarth, not Morthal.
00:25 <Schism|Adagio> Morthal had that vampire quest. o3o
00:25 <Finwe> Yup.
00:26 <Schism|Adagio> Markarth is admittedly pretty cool too. What with the way that Nobody Escapes Cidna Mine.
00:26 <Cepheid> So somehow I went from the Wikipedia article on RAM to (7,4) hamming codes.
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00:29 * Schism|Adagio wanders about Riften, looking for people to assist. Beyond the Thieves' Guild, of course.
00:30 <Schism|Adagio> Honeyside might not be a particularly great home, but it's not terrible.
00:30 * Finwe Fus Ro Dahs Schism|Adagio off balance.
00:41 <Schism|Adagio> Egh. Get ice wraith teeth, get fire salts, get 20 nirnroot, get eeeeeeverything.
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00:43 <Schism|Adagio> At least the one to take a request over to Markarth is reasonable.
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00:57 <PinkieShy> Checked my weight finally... had a robot check it :P
00:57 * PinkieShy is 207 with a BMI of 31.5
00:58 <PinkieShy> This time a year ago i was like 220
01:15 <Cepheid> https://www.reddit.com/r/CarletonU/comments/ao83zg/leob_building_by_oc_transpo/?st=jrvcxwl4&sh=aced32cc Apparently, the folks at OC Transpo can't afford to pay someone a decent enough wage that they care to look up a map of the university properly to label it all.
01:15 <Cepheid> Or you know, spell-check.
01:16 <Cepheid> To further describe what's wrong: That's not Loeb building. There's also two Azrieli Buildings on the map, despite there only being one. Also, "Sport Med*e*cine Centre"
01:21 <Cepheid> The building labeled Loeb is actually Mackenzie Building. There are two Azrieli entries because there's Azrieli Pavilion and Azrieli Theatre. That said, they're supposed to be on the same side, the left-hand side. University Center isn't even labeled. Nor is the Architecture Building or Steacie Hall. Otherwise the rest of it looks *RELATIVELY* accurate. Then again, it's hard to muck up a pre-existing map that has no
01:21 <Cepheid> labels.
01:23 <Cepheid> https://www.reddit.com/r/cats/comments/aoa31e/facts/?st=jrvd8s5m&sh=d85e902f Schism, this is me. I'm sure you agree.
01:33 * Thelema5 waves hello to everypony
01:34 * ADragonDreaming completes Roll20 campaign building for the nonce
01:35 * PinkieShy runs up to Thelema5 with a OwO face
01:36 <Cepheid> Hello Thelema5.
01:36 * Cepheid rolls a d20 for ADragonDreaming.
01:36 <ADragonDreaming> RFYD
01:36 * ADragonDreaming loads up MH World
01:38 <Cepheid> I got enough time for maybe one or two hunts if that is why you are mentioning it. After that I'll probably be too out of it.
01:38 <ADragonDreaming> I'll be playing it anyway, but I was mentioning it in case you wished to join, yes.
01:38 <Cepheid> I can tag along for a couple of hunts.
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02:20 <Cepheid> Right. Bed for me. I leave you with this Grimalky- I mean caracal. https://i.redd.it/psfochaon7f21.jpg
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02:22 <Schism|Adagio> Hmm. I wander into the Black-Briar Lodge, and am immediately attacked. Clearly, this is an invitation.
02:22 <Schism|Adagio> Er, towards the lodge.
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02:42 <Schism|Adagio> "I warn you, Forelhost is quite haunted." Quite, you say.
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03:32 <Schism|Adagio> Oh good, the Draugr are starting to summon Atronachs. o.o
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04:24 <Schism|Adagio> I'd forgotten how hard Draugr Priests are. Especially when they cast firewalls which burn you for 50 a second.
04:25 <Schism|Adagio> Dragon Priests, rather.
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04:46 <PinkieShy> welp
04:46 <PinkieShy> My washing machine warranty is officially dead.
04:46 <PinkieShy> Anything that happens now is out of pocket to repair >.>
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06:11 <Quill-Swirl> EEP!
06:14 * DerbyFloat also jams one of Quill-Swirl's hooves in her mouth
06:15 <RazorSharpFang> Good afternoon
06:15 <DerbyFloat> Evening
06:16 * Quill-Swirl blinks as he lays there with all his hooves in derpys mouth
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06:24 <Filly_Nightmares> It is my burthmis!
06:25 <Filly_Nightmares> of o
06:25 <Filly_Nightmares> o3o
06:25 * Filly_Nightmares purr
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06:32 * Schism|Adagio wraps Filly_Nightmares in tea leaves! o5o
06:33 * Filly_Nightmares eees and licks at Schism|Adagio tummy!
06:39 * Ali flops into RazorSharpFang
06:42 * PinkieShy wraps Filly_Nightmare in cotton candy
06:42 <PinkieShy> Filly_Nightmares *
06:44 * Schism|Adagio levels some Alteration at a moderate clip, via the alteration of iron ore into gold.
06:49 <RazorSharpFang> Hey Ali
06:49 <PinkieShy> O.o
06:49 <PinkieShy> Just realized..
06:49 <PinkieShy> I do have a Zinus branded product..
06:50 <PinkieShy> The bed frame i got..
06:51 <PinkieShy> this is it https://www.zinus.com/collections/bed-frames-and-foundations/products/michelle-steel-compack-bed-frame?variant=46822099016
06:53 * Schism|Adagio sighs, missing a particular bandit who led him into a 'trap'. "By which I mean he fell off a mountain."
07:03 <Schism|Adagio> And then into a waterfall. Oh well, he didn't look like he had anything of value in the first place.
07:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Equestria Girls Season 2 Episode 5 -??? - Stream / Discussion [ http://tinyurl.com/y8zezuub ]
07:09 <Schism|Adagio> Thaaane... come back, Thane...
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09:00 <Finwe> Good forenoon, my small pastel-coloured equines.
09:00 <Finwe> Mlles Ali and Filly_Nightmares, Mr Schism|Adagio.
09:00 * Finwe doffs his hat.
09:01 * Ali doffs over Finwe and snoozes
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09:20 * Finwe hats on Filly_Nightmares.
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09:30 <Schism|Adagio> Hmmmm, and now to obtain the best Dragon armor available with this modset. o3o
09:31 * Schism|Adagio produces exceedingly high-level items all in all. The result of Smithing.
09:32 <Finwe> Light armour is best armour.
09:32 <Finwe> Made of dragon scales.
09:33 * Finwe dragonscale helmets on Schism|Adagio.
09:33 <RazorSharpFang> Given how much the dragon-scale items wear I fail to see how dragon-scale armor could be considered to be light armor.
09:33 <Finwe> Wear?
09:34 <Finwe> They don't wear, they are worn.
09:34 <RazorSharpFang> Ah, I meant weigh.
09:34 <Schism|Adagio> RSF: Well, this mod uses dragonscale/dragonbone for the light armour set, and daedra/ebony for the heavy armour.
09:35 <Schism|Adagio> Dragons do fly, after all. o5o
09:35 <RazorSharpFang> Right, but that's like calling full-plate-aluminium armor "light" armor. It'll weight enough to be considered heavy armor.
09:35 <Schism|Adagio> What about scale leather with bone segments used to cover the essentials?
09:36 <RazorSharpFang> Dragon bones weigh enough for that to be heavy armor too.
09:39 <Schism|Adagio> Is there any reason that necessarily has to be the case?
09:42 <RazorSharpFang> Doesn't full dragonscale weigh as much as iron armor?
09:43 <Schism|Adagio> Hm. ...Well, yes, admittedly.
09:44 * Schism|Adagio frowns at this game, too. "Okay, I need to upgrade my scaled boots..." He gets out the corundum.
09:45 <Schism|Adagio> Hrm, should also use some petty soul gems and see what I get for some rings of light.
09:47 * Schism|Adagio also grumblyfaces, and should go to Winterhold...
09:51 <Schism|Adagio> Or just head to Ivarstead and actually get the plot moving, now that I'm level 33. :S
10:21 <RazorSharpFang> I like to start the main quest after level 100.
10:33 <Schism|Adagio> Heh, that's half a joke. :P
10:33 <Koopz> typical Bethesda game
10:34 <Koopz> "okay next i'll have to go t-oh what's that?"
10:36 <Schism|Adagio> Yeah.
10:36 <Schism|Adagio> Hrm. Welp, I'm in the Halted Stream mine now, so I'll get out of here after I fill up my inventory with entirely too much iron ore.
10:37 <Koopz> loot all the things
10:37 <Schism|Adagio> Effectively, and it's not helped in the slightest by the fact that this area has the spellbook for Transmute Mineral Ore.
10:39 <Schism|Adagio> It's quite likely that I'm going to Legendary smithing, followed by bringing it right back up to 100.
10:44 <RazorSharpFang> Smithing takes a lot to raise though, a better candidate for legendary-farming is sneak.
10:46 <Schism|Adagio> Normally, yes, but sneak is a bit more difficult to raise in this case.
10:47 <Schism|Adagio> One advantage to Smithing in this variant is that you can disassemble weapons and armor into base components, which results in a significant skill boon.
10:47 <RazorSharpFang> Ah, so you've modded it that way.
10:48 <Schism|Adagio> Yeah, though Perkus Maximus also results in a lot more, and a lot more -interesting-, perks.
10:50 <Schism|Adagio> Mais oui, it's particularly fun disassembling everything the Silver Hand drops.
10:50 <RazorSharpFang> Are there any other mods you'd recommend?
10:51 <Schism|Adagio> I've got Apocalypse on here, as well as the associated Shout mod.
10:51 <Schism|Adagio> And Convenient Horses... and of course SkyUI, but that's a must.
10:52 <RazorSharpFang> What does Apocalypse, the associated shout mod, and Convenient horses add?
10:53 <Schism|Adagio> Convenient Horses adds, amongst other things, a whistle to call your horse without having to fast travel, as well as options for harvesting from horseback, some additional combat options, the ability to keep your horse from getting into combat, and the option to make it Essential.
10:53 <Schism|Adagio> Apocalypse is a spell rebalancing and addition mod.
10:54 * Filly_Nightmares kneads Finwe
10:54 <Schism|Adagio> The Ultimate Follower Overhaul is useful for if you like to actually have your followers not be idiotic, and the Complete Crafting Overhaul and Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul are very nice for what they add.
10:55 <Schism|Adagio> Lessee... Dr. Bandolier for extra carry capacity, and I've got random vampire attacks disabled because I hate them ever so much. And lastly, I have Enhanced Lighting and FX, which makes the game... much more reasonable in terms of lighting, but also very, very dark, so.
10:57 <Koopz> ah... followers... i remember my first playthrough... got myself my first companion... we entered a bear cave. He was a melee, i was shooting arrows from a distance. The bears got him onto his knees and a stray arrow accidently landed in his head...
10:57 <RazorSharpFang> That one might result in a FPS decrease for me, I'm on ULG right now for FPS reasons.
10:57 <Schism|Adagio> Mmm, very possible.
10:58 <Schism|Adagio> Oh, and Wintermyst Enchantments. Which includes things like pendants of light.
10:58 <Schism|Adagio> (Because constantly refreshing Candlelight is annoying, that's why.)
11:00 <Schism|Adagio> Oh, one other which is just for convenience: "Unread Books Glow".
11:01 <RazorSharpFang> Perkus Maximus looks like it's a difficult one to install...
11:02 <Schism|Adagio> It... does require a particular bashed patch to make work with many of the others, admittedly.
11:03 <Schism|Adagio> It's such an extensive overhaul of many game mechanics, after all.
11:04 <RazorSharpFang> Hmm, NMM isn't working...
11:05 <Schism|Adagio> Egh. Dunno why it wouldn't. ._.
11:06 <RazorSharpFang> I last updated it two years ago, and it can't auto-update now. :(
11:06 <Schism|Adagio> Ah. That would explain it, then.
11:06 <RazorSharpFang> I'm gonna have to just update the manager manually
11:07 <RazorSharpFang> Which manager are you using?
11:09 <Schism|Adagio> NMM, 0.65.2 -- which admittedly also isn't autoupdating, but I installed the mods into it via manual download.
11:18 <RazorSharpFang> Hmm, this is gonna take a while.
11:23 <Schism|Adagio> Hrm, I'm quite certain I killed two mammoths, did one clip through--ah, one did clip through.
11:24 <RazorSharpFang> It's great when enemies fall into the ground and then you can't get their items.
11:27 <Schism|Adagio> This one didn't fall /quite/ that far, but it was certainly buried in a snowdrift all of a sudden.
11:39 * Schism|Adagio stares. "What the HECK was --"
11:48 <RazorSharpFang> Something happen?
11:48 <Schism|Adagio> The Khajiit Caravan just blew past me into the Silver Hand base I was about to assault, taking no prisoners and giving no craps.
11:49 <RazorSharpFang> Skyrim's not loading - keeps crashing on the menu screen, probably something wrong with the mods I've installed.
11:50 <Schism|Adagio> Most likely in that case. Make sure you have the most recent version of SKSE?
11:50 <RazorSharpFang> It's complaining about missing Masters, Dawnguard, Dragonborn and HeartFires, but they're installed by steam.
11:51 <Schism|Adagio> Are they at the top of your load order?
11:51 <RazorSharpFang> I don't know what the load order is.
11:51 <Schism|Adagio> Okay, load order is the order in which the mods are listed in NMM.
11:52 <RazorSharpFang> I'm using Vortex now, I can't see a load order.
11:53 <Schism|Adagio> Hrmm. There should still be one... ah, you've gotta run LOOT most likely.
11:53 <Schism|Adagio> Mod Organizer 2 is suggested by some.
11:54 <RazorSharpFang> Turns out you can change it in the vanilla skyrim launcher.
11:55 <Schism|Adagio> Ah, gotcha. So, a good bash order is something like this. First you go with Skyrim, then the patch, then DG, DB, and HF. Then, the unofficial combined patch.
11:55 <RazorSharpFang> I still find it weird how physics gets more and more erratic as the FPS drops.
11:55 <RazorSharpFang> Yep yep, it's working now.
11:55 <Schism|Adagio> Ah good.
12:00 <Schism|Adagio> Hrmm. I asked for a mine, and for my sins, they gave me one. Nothing more than a mine, nothing less.
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12:02 * Schism|Adagio also seems to have somehow carved a path straight through to Dawnstar without noticing.
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12:07 <Schism|Adagio> (Who needs stables when you can just explore the wilderness for hours?)
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12:23 <Divide|Adagio> Hmmm, yup, 7:20ish, that's when this box drops for a sec. Heh.
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12:28 <RazorSharpFang> Wait, gold has weight now?
12:28 <Divide|Adagio> You doin' SkyRE?
12:28 <Divide|Adagio> Er, Perkus Maximus, that is.
12:28 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah
12:29 <Divide|Adagio> Yup, it's got a bit of weight now.
12:29 <Divide|Adagio> It can also be smelted into gold ingots. Heh.
12:33 <RazorSharpFang> A lot of things have changed; I don't know what does what now.
12:33 <Divide|Adagio> Well, what sort of playstyle were you going for?
12:33 <RazorSharpFang> Jack-of-all-trades.
12:34 <Divide|Adagio> That's a bit trickier to do. Still possible, but trickier.
12:34 <RazorSharpFang> Probably a stealth-archer if I had to pick specifically one.
12:34 <Divide|Adagio> Pretty standard there, makes sense. Though you'll also want to use a melee weapon.
12:34 <RazorSharpFang> Whatever for?
12:35 <Divide|Adagio> For when enemies get close. While a shortbow or crossbow is a nice backup in close quarters, blocking WILL become a necessity.
12:36 <Divide|Adagio> I've not put a single perk point into blocking, though, so take that as you will.
12:36 <RazorSharpFang> I was hoping to conjure up to distract the foe(s).
12:36 <Divide|Adagio> That works too, then.
13:00 <Schism> Hum. Definitely time for a bit of a break.
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16:26 <LibrarianofHope> sup
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17:07 <Mr`Ed> good morning
17:13 <Cepheid> Morning.
17:14 <Cepheid> ... I swear they made that piano louder somehow.
17:15 <SunsetShimmer> Piano?
17:15 <Cepheid> There is a piano in the main atrium of MC building. Some students put it there a few semesters back.
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17:16 <Cepheid> People go up and play it. Sometimes annoyingly. Sometimes reliably. Sometimes poorly.
17:16 <SunsetShimmer> Aaaah
17:17 <Cepheid> The problem is that the atrium is a large study area on all 5 floors of the building.
17:18 <Cepheid> So the piano is, for purposes of music, in a good place. Great acoustics. But it is in a bad ppace for the convenience of students trying to study.
17:19 <Cepheid> In other news, I spent the entire busride in thinking about solutions to programming problems. I solved one. o3o
17:21 <Cepheid> ... the guy is doing a piano rendition of Bohemian Rhapsody.
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17:54 * Cepheid has acquired knowledge of abusing OpenGL and Direct3D.
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17:55 <Cepheid> One critical issue I had was passing lots of data to a shader. This can't be done using uniform variables, because those are limited. Buffers are limited as well in that they tend to be per-vertex. So what can I do?
17:56 <Cepheid> For a fragment shader, the answer is simple.
17:56 <Cepheid> Shove all the data I need to pass to the fragment shader into a rectangular texture, accessed via texel coordinates instead of normalized coordinates.
17:57 <Cepheid> Then each instantiation can access the texture for the relevant data it needs.
17:58 <Cepheid> Some data conversion would be needed of course, since such data is usually stored in a set format and accessible only by r, g, b, a components of a vector returned from the texture sampling function. But that is easy to do.
17:58 * LibrarianofHope plays classic saloon song
18:00 <Cepheid> So basically I am using GPU resources in ways they wete never meant to be used.
18:01 <Cepheid> Although if I wer using say, GPU assembly code, it would be somewhat more natural.
18:02 <Cepheid> But no one does that anymore due to the complexity of it. And the fact that the GPU assembly code is GPU-specific. Even among the same brands.
18:03 <LibrarianofHope> thinking of piano
18:04 <LibrarianofHope> one new years eve in vegas my bro and me began singing piano man while an adjoining pianist was trying in the restaurant
18:04 <LibrarianofHope> we overshadowed him and people passing by thought we were veryyyy drunk
18:04 <LibrarianofHope> also the piano guy was angry
18:04 <LibrarianofHope> fun times
18:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: PMV Collab: Let This Go [ http://tinyurl.com/yco88lh7 ]
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18:31 <LibrarianofHope> hoi fall
18:34 <Fall> Hellew
18:35 <RazorSharpFang> I'm selected for Jury Duty soonish.
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19:06 <DerbyFloat> Being sick is ugh
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19:10 <LibrarianofHope> yep
19:10 <LibrarianofHope> quite a pain
19:10 <LibrarianofHope> least i did not had a panic attack today
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19:38 * Schism wakes up, groans. "Stomachaches all day."
19:38 <Schism> Well, all sleep.
19:39 <Schism> Cepheid: https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1093884434112278528
19:40 <Cepheid> What.
19:41 <Cepheid> Also, average students are ignorant.
19:41 <Schism> The Onion is fun.
19:42 <Cepheid> Oh. The onion. Heh.
19:42 <Schism> And yeeeup. Average people are, why not average students? (I too have a great deal of ignorance.)
19:43 <LibrarianofHope> i know much but i still have to learn much
19:43 <LibrarianofHope> mostly due to my mental archives being a mess
19:43 <Cepheid> Discourse with students who hate pen-and-paper code writing.
19:44 <Cepheid> My counter-argument is that it forces the student to learn syntax, core language features, and non-library features.
19:44 <Cepheid> Their counter-argument is to use stack exchange to solve all their problems.
19:46 <Cepheid> Which is stupid because then students could solve the exam questions in relation by copy and pasting code other folks wrote. There is no skill or learning at all in doing such a thing. Plus it induces concerns of plagiarism
19:47 <Cepheid> There is no learning how to do things on your own. It becomes a case of a student becoming a gnat that shows no skill, no knowledge, no initiative. Such people are inferior little bugs.
19:47 <Cepheid> This is the only thing I will allow myself to feel superior or confident about.
19:47 <Cepheid> The distance between me and such folks is a chasm of incomprehensible proportions.
19:49 <LibrarianofHope> that sounded like a villian speech
19:49 * LibrarianofHope add mountain ,thunder and dark mist
19:49 <Cepheid> I start by figuring out what to do on my own. I utilize a number of resources, many of which are freely accessible, to learn what to do. I experiment. I repeat the process. If I get truly stuck, I ask for assistance. I do so by demonstrating what I have tried. What has failed, or what has a partial effect I desire.
19:50 <Cepheid> I refuse to jump from the start directly to the end without understanding the intermediate.
19:51 <Cepheid> Because when time comes that the whooe suddenly stops working as advertised or expected, the problem then becomes "why did it not work?" And oftentimes the answer is in how the intermediate works.
19:53 <Cepheid> The difference of someone simply using an algorithm for a situation, and the difference of someone who can modify the algorithm for the situation.
19:53 <Cepheid> Because in the real world, you don't have tike to analyse something you copy and pasted when it breaks.
19:54 <LibrarianofHope> that might be the reason a lot of tech fails
19:54 <Cepheid> Sorry for that rant.
19:54 <Cepheid> But one little gnat got on my case.
19:54 <LibrarianofHope> i read something about very critical systems using very ancient code and few understand it
19:55 <Cepheid> COBOL applications still managing financial stuff, yes.
19:55 <Cepheid> It is a big issue.
19:56 <Cepheid> Proficient COBOL developers are far and between, so they are an extremely expensive resource for institutions to hire to maintain their ancient codebase.
19:57 <LibrarianofHope> could you get into that?
19:57 <Cepheid> It happened because COBOL fell out of common usage, and no engineer is capable of, or wants to, explain that analyzing the program and re-writing the program in a more modern language that has an deluge of developers would reduce costs in the long run.
19:57 <LibrarianofHope> seems very hard
19:58 <Cepheid> No. I do not like Functional languages.
19:58 <Cepheid> Finwe would be better suited for it.
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19:58 <Cepheid> Functional languages are designed to express mathematics in programmatic concepts.
19:58 <LibrarianofHope> so in easy terms, what do you want to end up doing?
19:59 <geniusinmath> Roleplaying.
19:59 <LibrarianofHope> wrong channel
19:59 <geniusinmath> What can I do?
19:59 <Cepheid> Basically, in Functional languages, everything is treated like you are doing mathematics, literally.
19:59 <geniusinmath> I can't wait to chat.
19:59 <LibrarianofHope> as roleplaying goes, not much
20:00 <geniusinmath> Nice to meet you
20:00 <LibrarianofHope> basically be nice and relax
20:00 <geniusinmath> I will.
20:00 <Cepheid> No roleplaying here. It is a rule.
20:00 <LibrarianofHope> nice to meet you to
20:00 <geniusinmath> Sorry I didn't know about that rule.
20:01 <SunsetShimmer> he's just letting you know
20:01 <LibrarianofHope> its fine, just ask if you have doubts about rules
20:01 * SunsetShimmer is here to help, for the most part.
20:01 <geniusinmath> Nice to meet you @SunsetShimmer.
20:02 <LibrarianofHope> how did you found us?
20:02 <LibrarianofHope> were are not that famous anymore
20:02 <geniusinmath> I was looking for a place to chat
20:02 <Cepheid> I am more familiar with procedural and object-oriented languages. Given time I could analyze a functional language and figure out what the program is doing in terms that I understand, but I'd rather not.
20:02 <LibrarianofHope> this is a great place
20:02 <geniusinmath> :).
20:03 <Cepheid> I do not like functional languages. I understand their use and purpose, but I just can't stand them. With maybe exception to template metaprogramming.
20:03 * LibrarianofHope is utterly confused
20:03 <geniusinmath> My favorite character on My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is Rarity.
20:03 <LibrarianofHope> havent watched in a while
20:03 <geniusinmath> Aw.
20:03 <LibrarianofHope> mine is discord
20:03 <geniusinmath> I don't like Trixie.
20:04 <LibrarianofHope> she got better in later seasons
20:04 <LibrarianofHope> i think
20:04 <geniusinmath> True.
20:04 <geniusinmath> Did I bother any of you.
20:04 <LibrarianofHope> not at all
20:04 <geniusinmath> *smiles*
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20:05 <Cepheid> Librarian, in simple terms, template metaprogramming is an accidental language discovered in my primary language, C++. It is a Functional language that complements C++ a lot.
20:05 <LibrarianofHope> what is the must used language?
20:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: New "Oh My Giggles" Interactive Pinkie Pie Toy Annouced [ http://tinyurl.com/y7uqfw3g ]
20:06 <Cepheid> Most frequently used language when I started was C. I think it still is, but I would have to check.
20:08 <Cepheid> Currently it appears to be Java, followed closely by C.
20:08 <LibrarianofHope> im hungry
20:08 <LibrarianofHope> its about lunch time
20:08 * Cepheid chews on some Java. Munch munch munch.
20:10 * Schism sips a cup of T++.
20:10 <Cepheid> Overall, my experience would make me somewhat valuable to have.
20:11 <Cepheid> The primary languages I know are all within the top 5.
20:11 <Cepheid> Should probably pick up Python.
20:13 <Cepheid> I think the other reason I vented earlier might also because prior to the discourse, I got agitated a bit.
20:14 <Cepheid> I politely interrupted the professor to turn around and explain to some disrespectful students that their talking was interfering with my ability to hear the peofessor, that I was hearing impaired, and politely asked them to shut up.
20:14 <Cepheid> Literally the most controlled and polite time I have ever done that.
20:14 <LibrarianofHope> it worked?
20:15 <Cepheid> So those meds are certainly helping me to... Control myself. Think about what I wish to say, and express it without rage. Still makes me feel sick to my stomach.
20:15 <Cepheid> Yeah. The entire class went silent actually.
20:16 <Cepheid> Not just those close to me. I can handle speakers in the back now. They don't interfere. But even they quieted down.
20:19 <Cepheid> I'm not trying to be an ahole with my temperament, but there are people who just don't... Fully understand the reasons for being quiet. I think exprrssing that I was hearing impaired had a greater impact when I asked for quiet.
20:26 <Cepheid> I am a weird person. I just posted a formal thank you message to the students who quieted down on the university Reddit.
20:27 <Cepheid> I felt compelled to do it. When someone does what you ask of them, you should thank them. But I think I overdid it with the formality.
20:27 <Cepheid> I think that may be my Japanese classes leaking through, since I even felt compelled to bow in appreciation.
20:32 <Cepheid> If I had any real sensation or explanation as to why I apologize or thank so formally? I'd say it had to do with atonement. I feel li
20:33 <Cepheid> I feel like I have commited crimes or actions in the past that are detestable, and should be atoned for somehow.
20:33 <Cepheid> And the only means I know how to do so is to be formal and strict about things, or to help people with no recompense.
20:47 <Cepheid> I would like to say this is something I could change over time, but I get this strange impression that it is not a psychologic trait. It feels like something that is etched into my existence. It only never really revealed itself due to mental health.
20:48 <Cepheid> I have to do it becausr something beyond my comprehension compels me. It is required of me.
20:50 <LibrarianofHope> i could do a canadian apology joke, but it would be mean
20:51 <Cepheid> Nah. It's fine. We do apologize a lot.
20:51 <Cepheid> I've been given flak for it by foreign folks.
20:52 <Cepheid> I'm kind of surprised the one person who is crazy about MLP and could confirm what I just stated doesn't reside here.
20:54 <Cepheid> Two folks, actually. A Dutch programmer who goes by the nickname Esther. The other a American-Dutch artist and streamer by the name of MoonSango or just Moon.
20:54 <Cepheid> I won't lie. That statement was meant to call them out in the event they wete using different nicknames on IRC.
20:56 <Cepheid> But it appears they either didn't take the bait, or really aren't here.
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21:17 <Cepheid> Hmm. The last time I ever felt like I do now was around when I was 15. Odd.
21:41 <Cepheid> I am home, finally.
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21:46 <Cepheid> You know, I'm going to start over with EO4.
21:46 <Cepheid> Er, EO Nexus.
21:46 <Cepheid> Right now, the basic team is a standard common team.
21:47 <Cepheid> The guild is named Misfits, and in EO4, I pulled off a madness party that had none of the usual fare.
21:47 <Cepheid> I want to do that one last time.
21:47 <Cepheid> I'll construct a basic document detailing the basic roles of all the classes, and let folks pick 'em out. I'll style their appearance to my whims, though. :P
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21:48 <LibrarianofHope> Im blue
21:48 <LibrarianofHope> and have horns
21:48 <Cepheid> Unless you like, want to look at all the portraits of every class from every single game in the series and pick one out, then hair and eye colour.
21:48 <Cepheid> Because that's actually what's available.
21:48 <Cepheid> Even if the classes themselves aren't.
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21:49 <Cepheid> Every single portrait choice possible for each class, from every single game. Even the games where hair and eye customization wasn't viable. Even the DLC portraits from the respective games. And there's even a special one done as a collaboration with some outside company. Then the bikini outfits.
21:49 <Cepheid> I think that results in something like, a few hundred thousand possible combinations.
21:51 <Cepheid> However, when I say I'll restart, I mean in such a way as to not lose what progress I have now, map and story-wise. Just a new party.
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21:54 <Cepheid> Actually, I can keep Cepheid around. She's exactly what I want. She'll be ahead of the curve as a result, but..
21:56 <LibrarianofHope> I never tought of a genderbent me
21:57 <LibrarianofHope> i need it as male for plot needs
21:59 <Schism> Hmmm. Divide could be a dancer. o3o;
21:59 <Schism> Though what kind of uncommon team were you thinking?
22:01 <Cepheid> Preferably, I pick 4 other people, they pick a class that appeals to them the most, along with a generalized direction they want(Attack, defense, buff, healing, debuff, etc) and I'll try to match it.
22:03 <Cepheid> I'm writing a lengthy document detailing the classes, their weapons, the commentary given by the game, and my own personal commentary based on analysing the skills. I am not doing a full table of skills and all that. I tried that once, I regretted it.
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22:19 <Cepheid> So far...
22:19 <Cepheid> War Magus appears to be the strongest-looking class.
22:20 <Cepheid> Has healing abilities that heal at the start of a turn and end of a turn, implying that it might beat out even the fastest monsters to their attacks. These heals seem to be spread out amongst the various "ranks", but single and line heals are first rank, while party is last rank.
22:20 <Cepheid> There's also buff-type heal-over-time abilities in rank 2.
22:20 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, they have tons of debuff attacks, bind attacks, and so on.
22:20 <Cepheid> It's madness.
22:22 <Cepheid> Put simply, if we replaced a medic with a war magus, we'd likely be fine.
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22:28 <Cepheid> https://docs.google.com/document/d/16hVbAoh2jn-9vQpihY5zLgc--I3nIW4YorAF4Lm-lWU/edit?usp=sharing Has up to Gunner done.
22:29 <Cepheid> I'll be updating it as you read. Enjoy my commentary while you can. :P
22:30 <Schism> Sorry, am kinda all over the place right now, so it'll be a bit.
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22:32 <Cepheid> Take yer time. I still got a number of classes to do.
22:33 <Cepheid> That said, if you want a peek at the classes, LibrarianofHope, I've got half of them up.
22:33 <Cepheid> Choose what you think would be useful. Don't consider other classes others choose in your decision. The purpose of the misfits guild is to work with what I am given. Even if it makes the game impossibly hard.
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22:46 <Schism> A road salt truck in Nova Scotia tipped over, spilling its salt all over the road.
22:46 <Cepheid> Okay. What's the punch line?
22:47 <Schism> Well, it did succeed in salting the road.
22:47 <Schism> This has been happening a lot there.
22:47 <Schism> ( https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/freezing-rain-salt-trucks-sliding-off-roads-1.5011181
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23:12 <Schism> Also, I want one of these. https://twitter.com/histoftech/status/1093404144080171009
23:14 <Cepheid> There.
23:14 <Cepheid> All the classes have been analyzed and given a quick rundown in the document.
23:15 <Cepheid> I need 4 people. First four folks to pick a class will be part of the core team.
23:15 <Cepheid> The rest will be swap characters to handle various situations.
23:16 <Cepheid> Schism might like how I described the Zodiac.
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23:21 <PinkieShy> Just had my spine feel like it is on fire..
23:22 <PinkieShy> Got one of them back pain patches and had to remove it.
23:22 <PinkieShy> It made me feel like i was getting hot coal applied to my back
23:23 <Cepheid> That's usually how they work, yes.
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23:26 <PinkieShy> It felt good :3
23:26 <PinkieShy> but till it got to hot XD
23:27 <PinkieShy> My back is still feeling it..
23:28 <Cepheid> So, I've devised some fake names for OSes for use in games, plus really basic explanation. From Microsoft + Linus working together to take down new competition that has shown up: Winux(Portmanteau of Windows and Linux. From Apple: RingOS(Portmanteau of the Japanese word for apple("ringo") and the acronym OS.). For UNIX, who for whatever reason decided to dominate the single-user OS space all of a sudden, "Younix"
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23:29 <LibrarianofHope> my cocentration went bust
23:29 <Cepheid> Same. I was gonna do some coding. Don't feel like it now, having written that large document earlier.
23:29 <Cepheid> Probably expended all my energy on that thing.
23:38 * DerbyFloat drools on PinkieShy
23:41 <Cepheid> https://bit.ly/2Sq0zaE Right then, I need 4 folks. Pick a class that sounds appealing.
23:41 * PinkieShy hands DerbyFloat some A&W root beer
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23:45 <Cepheid> For the record, with the team I want to make, I don't care much for synergy. So feel free to pick whatever class you want, without regards to what the rest of the party is.
23:45 <Cepheid> If you absolutely need to know the rest of the party though, at least one character is going to be an Imperial. (Cue "You imperial [REDACTED]!" commentary from Schism.)
23:48 <LibrarianofHope> got something like chaos mage?
23:48 <Cepheid> Define what they do.
23:48 <LibrarianofHope> anomalous magic
23:49 <Cepheid> Not quite what I meant. What does their magic do to the targets?
23:50 <LibrarianofHope> in my own universe it does funky stuff
23:50 <LibrarianofHope> probably debuff
23:50 <Cepheid> So poisoning, paralysis and the like, possibly death?
23:50 <LibrarianofHope> thats about right
23:51 <Cepheid> Let's see..
23:51 <Cepheid> Would it cause insanity, akin to looking at an Elder God?
23:51 <LibrarianofHope> that works
23:52 <Cepheid> Harbinger is probably a good pick, then.
23:53 <LibrarianofHope> on that note, what would a nice eldritch abomination be called?
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23:53 <Cepheid> They focus primarily on status ailments. Paralysis, Poison, Blindness, Panic, and instant-death.
23:53 <Cepheid> Hard to say. Usually the eldritch nature implies that all attributes of it tend to be unknowable.
23:53 <BrolightSparkle> Hello every pony
23:53 <LibrarianofHope> hoi
23:54 <Cepheid> And thus, for example, their names can only be approximated in the myriad of languages out there.
23:55 <Cepheid> Let's see... Librarian, Harbinger. You're female, because I wait the maid outfit for the females.
23:55 * LibrarianofHope is fine with that
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23:56 <Cepheid> So that's 3 slots left.
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23:59 <Cepheid> If I worked off of personalities and observations of folks..
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