00:01 <Cepheid> Dragons be dreaming yo.
00:03 <Cepheid> Thank you tablet for shutting down every application on me.
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00:26 * ADragonDreaming ponders nergigante.
00:28 <Cepheid> I've busted him up a number of times already. Alas I don't have the energy Tom's it and game tonight. So call in the SOS squad.
00:30 <Schism> Poor innocent nergigante kitten. ;-;
00:30 <ADragonDreaming> ...kitten?
00:30 <ADragonDreaming> wat
00:30 <Schism> Oh, wrong monster.
00:31 <Schism> Nergigante is the one who tapdances over every trap, heh.
00:31 <ADragonDreaming> are you thinking of Nargacuga?
00:31 <Schism> I am.
00:31 <ADragonDreaming> Nargacuga is not innocent.
00:32 <Schism> You've seen this one, I take it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ06dNYem1U
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00:32 <Vulpor> Hey everyone
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00:39 <ADragonDreaming> I knew exaaaaaaactly where this one was going from frame 1
00:39 <Schism> Yeah, but even so... ;-;
00:39 <Cepheid> Schism I did not bloody need that.
00:39 <Cepheid> Why? Whyyyyy?
00:40 <Schism> I thought you'd already seen it. ._.
00:40 <ADragonDreaming> Let's just put it this way
00:40 <ADragonDreaming> monsters get hunted 'cause they tend to endanger villages.
00:41 <ADragonDreaming> the grinding is gameplay and story segregation. In reality, there's only the one xeno'jiiva, and that beast is a problem similar to Lavos
00:41 <ADragonDreaming> etc.
00:41 <Vulpor> So I am about two or three hours into Dragon Quest 11
00:42 <Vulpor> Its like a hug from an old friend I truly missed JRPG's
00:43 <Cepheid> Except the way it's expressed, each Xeno'jiiva is a separate entity. Improbable as it is, perhaps that was not the only such egg that existed?
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00:53 <ADragonDreaming> okay, but why are there so many zorah magadaros's?
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00:57 <Schism> "She's gone Flandre Scarlet." "Oh (#$*." "What, exactly, does that mean?" "It means we should have started running five minutes ago." "Ten." "START RUNNING."
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01:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Open My Little Pony Art Compilation (All Skill Levels Welcome) #15 [ http://tinyurl.com/y63kcerv ]
01:11 <Schism> Cepheid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwWMpspzcg8
01:11 <Schism> I promise, much better than the aforementioned link. ._.
01:12 <Schism> Even if it is disco. o3o;
01:22 <Cepheid> Adra I have no clue. Maybe these damned monsters just pop into existence spontaneously. All eggs are actually sterile.
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01:22 <Cepheid> One moment, empty space. The next, a gold Rathian is there.
01:23 <Cepheid> Confused for several seconds before it mauls a hunter.
01:33 <Cepheid> https://i.redd.it/qo5ke3oz9rk21.jpg
01:37 * ADragonDreaming beats the Dojo
01:41 * Schism should finish off the tower in CrossCode...
01:44 <Cepheid> I convinced someone to start playing CrossCode.
01:44 <Cepheid> They like it so far.
01:45 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/DoggoDating/status/1103555406780137472?s=19
01:45 <Schism> It's a remarkably good game.
01:46 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/sktfd0310/status/1103419399153676288?s=19 I wonder what cats are thinking when we do stupid stuff like this.
01:48 <Schism> So, Cepheid. Think you could get your mom to listen to Touhou music with things like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwWMpspzcg8
01:49 <Cepheid> Doubt it.
01:49 <Schism> Ah, not a fan of disco?
01:49 <Cepheid> Not her style yeah. Country music.
01:51 <Schism> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxZVW5d_1JQ
01:51 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
01:51 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Heartwarming 東方 Touhou Unplugged\/Country 215
01:53 <Cepheid> No comment.
01:54 <Schism> Heh.
02:02 * Filly_Nightmares bounces on Schism
02:02 * Schism patpats the eeee! And provides some root beer, and some chikkin.
02:03 * Filly_Nightmares noms chicken!
02:06 <Schism> Chikkin and fried mushrooms and onions...
02:06 * Filly_Nightmares noms Schism leg!
02:06 * Schism tastes like nothing of the sort!
02:07 * Schism might taste like a grilled cheez sammich.
02:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1732 [ http://tinyurl.com/y3jf3kyk ]
02:12 <Schism> "You cannot possibly be this stupid." "DIE!" "Okay, you might possibly be this stupid."
02:24 <Cepheid> I would peg Schism as either the plucky heir/small-time thief Luke, or the commanding-but-calm and smartass Dr. Montague of this book.
02:24 <Cepheid> Meanwhile I'd be the opposite character that Schism is not.
02:25 <Schism> Mmm, I want to say the doctor. I'd be smarmy and all know-it-all.
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02:26 <Schism> I should play more Skyrim, clear up some quests for the Markarth lord and get Thaned.
02:27 <ADragonDreaming> What's your plan for The War?
02:27 <Schism|Adagio> I honestly don't know.
02:28 <Schism|Adagio> I know there's a potential peace agreement, but I don't know how to pull it off.
02:28 <ADragonDreaming> Well, you have the choice between Ostensibly Thalmor-ruled Imperials who did try to kill you ... and a bunch of racists.
02:28 <ADragonDreaming> It's a cease-fire.
02:28 <Schism|Adagio> The Thalmor want to kill every human, too.
02:28 <ADragonDreaming> The key is to not resolve the civil war while progressing the main quest line.
02:28 <Schism|Adagio> They're basically a bunch of jerkfaces who want to wipe humans off the Earth, so.
02:29 <ADragonDreaming> Lore of the game indicates that regardless of how you resolve the civil war, the Thalmor are in a less optimal position afterward.
02:29 <ADragonDreaming> However, after Stormcloaking it on my first playthrough, I've Imperial'd every other time.
02:31 <Schism|Adagio> Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Blood Dragon, I'm going to eat you with a few shots of my warforged glass bow of death.
02:31 <Schism|Adagio> Also, yeah. Ideally, the Thalmor should be.
02:32 <ADragonDreaming> The secret is to slay them frequently.
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02:47 <Cepheid> This book is starting to creep me out.
02:50 <Schism|Adagio> Isn't that what you wanted?
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02:52 <Schism|Adagio> "Must be my imagination." Oh, dear. Been a while since I heard that one, with this set of classes...
02:54 <Cepheid> Yes Schism, it is.
02:57 <Schism|Adagio> This set of mods makes sneaking about much, MUCH more difficult.
03:02 <Schism|Adagio> This is perhaps a good thing.
03:04 <Schism|Adagio> Especially as you can just throw a bucket on someone's head in the base game.
03:04 <Cepheid> One of the things I should do for story writing is perhaps go through the tropes of TV. Understand how to write, combine, and subvert tropes in various ways.
03:05 <Schism|Adagio> Don't forget, tropes aren't /bad/. You can make use of them for fun and profit.
03:06 <Cepheid> Indeed.
03:06 * Schism|Adagio returns a bounty on some forsworn. Grmbl.
03:06 <Cepheid> That's why I mentioned writing them. In fact this game will have defined tropes because of its nature outside of a story.
03:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nicole Oliver Helps Lead the Final BronyCon Cast [ http://tinyurl.com/yxgz5b2t ]
03:10 <Schism|Adagio> Does make sense, yeah.
03:10 * Schism|Adagio sighs, "Criminy, this quest."
03:11 <ADragonDreaming> marbles?
03:12 <Schism|Adagio> No, just a fetch quest I've already completed the clear requirement for.
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03:14 <Schism|Adagio> That silly 'collect 20 marbles' quest... that's its own thing.
03:14 <Schism|Adagio> Or however many.
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03:34 <Schism|Adagio> "I'll see you in pieces!" "*bisects head*" Welp, that was... accurate.
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03:43 <Schism|Adagio> Yay. Thane of Markarth.
03:45 <RazorSharpFang> But at what cost?
03:46 <Schism|Adagio> Well. Killed that Forsworn leader, who... seemed a decent sort, but way too murdery for my tastes.
03:46 <RazorSharpFang> You mean the guy who was ordering their followers to murder and get killed? Very decent. :3
03:48 <Schism|Adagio> Yupper. :> Though the banker who threw me into jail... I kiiiinda want to kill him even now.
03:49 <Schism|Adagio> And half the Silver-Blood family proper.
03:53 <RazorSharpFang> That's fair enough, but be sure you don't become a monster to defeat one.
03:54 <ADragonDreaming> Dovahkiin is already a monster.
03:56 <RazorSharpFang> Maybe your dovahkiin. My Dovahkiin is an lovely angel who's head of the thieves guild and the dark brotherhood. :3
03:56 <RazorSharpFang> An angel of death!
03:56 <ADragonDreaming> ...in other words, a monster!
03:57 <RazorSharpFang> No, not a monster. A perfect deity of justice, purifying the world! /Purification in progress/
04:00 <Schism|Adagio> My Dovahkiin is... hm. Pure so far. >.> And also extremely, terribly lazy.
04:01 <Schism|Adagio> Sorry, why should I bother with helping out against dragons when I can simply collect all the houses and retire in luxury?
04:02 <ADragonDreaming> because they'll eventually eat all your houses?
04:02 <Schism|Adagio> Nonsense. All my housecarls are tricked out in the best gear - dragonbone gear - and capable of murdering elder dragons with their pinky fingers.
04:03 <ADragonDreaming> Yes, but the dragons eventually eat the world itself.
04:03 <RazorSharpFang> Meanwhile I'm level 11 and are sneaking around every enemy that isn't a regular wolf or similar easy creature.
04:05 <Schism|Adagio> What's your race/speciality?
04:08 * Schism|Adagio convinces a horny bard to stop talking to Carlotta. "Grmp. Need more points in Speech."
04:09 <ADragonDreaming> just punch him out.
04:11 * ADragonDreaming goes off to slay the dance floor
04:12 <Schism|Adagio> Oh, I convinced him to shut his mouth with persuasion. Oddly, this modset splits up persuasion bonuses, intimidation bonuses, and bribery.
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04:23 <RazorSharpFang> Schism|Adagio, Bretan for the magic resistance.
04:23 <Schism|Adagio> Good choice.
04:23 <Schism|Adagio> I went Redguard for those bonuses to sword and shield.
04:24 * Schism|Adagio decides to pick up a speech skill - the one which lets him sell everything to everybody. o3o
04:31 <RazorSharpFang> Sell potions to the blacksmith ;3
04:36 <Schism|Adagio> Yupyup. :3
04:36 <Schism|Adagio> Ah, Nettlebane acquired.
04:38 * Cepheid moves arm. "Ow."
04:39 <Schism|Adagio> You alright?
04:41 <Cepheid> Sore.
04:41 <Cepheid> My joints all ache and feel like they are burning.
04:41 <Schism|Adagio> Mmf.
04:42 <Schism|Adagio> Iiit's also midnight.
04:42 <Schism|Adagio> Take a shower?
04:43 <Cepheid> I think he'd may be in order instead.
04:44 <Schism|Adagio> Sleep?
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04:44 <Cepheid> Bed. Yes. Autocorrect....!
04:44 <Schism|Adagio> Ah, yes. X3
04:46 * Schism|Adagio travels to the Eldergleam Sanctuary -- with a fellow pilgrim, who may have an idea.
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04:58 <Schism|Adagio> Welp, that was straightforward. Pity that there was no way out besides maiming the tree's roots and demanding her child. Oh well.
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05:16 <TeenyPadallia> Wow, I missed a comment about giant world eating dragons.
05:17 <TeenyPadallia> thatsmyfetish.gif
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05:23 <ConfusionRift> Hello... everypony.
05:24 <TeenyPadallia> Hello... ConfusionRift.
05:24 <TeenyPadallia> /seinfeld
05:26 * Schism|Adagio frowns. Obtains the key to House Battle-Born somehow. "Well..."
05:27 <ConfusionRift> It's always interesting to jump in, get a small log from the more recent posts, and it's just weeeeird.
05:27 <Schism|Adagio> I guess I get to shortcut this quest, then.
05:27 <ConfusionRift> ...Skyrim?
05:27 * Schism|Adagio boops ConfusionRift with a Skyrim. o3o "Yes."
05:28 <ConfusionRift> I... I tried to get to it. I really tried.
05:28 <Schism|Adagio> Yeah... it's... kinda tricky sometimes.
05:29 <DashedRainbows> Yo
05:30 <Schism|Adagio> I most assuredly did not install several fanservice packs to make it more enjoyable.
05:30 <ConfusionRift> Even with that, the clunkiness hits you hard, and it's hard to get invested into it.
05:30 <Schism|Adagio> Like with every Bethesda game, yeah.
05:31 <ConfusionRift> And too many packs can destroy your save... and each new pack basically requires you to start over... and no achievements for anything while they're on... annddd... you get it. :P
05:32 <ConfusionRift> Oddly enough, I have been itching to get back to Fallout.
05:32 <Schism|Adagio> Well, I've basically modded the game so heavily that I'm invested.
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05:36 <Schism|Adagio> Hmm. Finally bouncing up to Solitude...
05:37 <Schism|Adagio> For to murder a bunch of elves. o3o
05:45 <Schism|Adagio> If I don't get distracted by Meridia.
05:46 * DashedRainbows covers ConfusionRift in licks and wags her tail
05:46 * ConfusionRift pets DashedRainbows. :P
05:48 <Schism|Adagio> Temple full of undead. Well... I did train up Restoration, and I have some undead-killing abilities. o3o
05:50 * DashedRainbows barks
06:00 * PinkieShy hugs DashedRainbows
06:02 * DashedRainbows sniffs PinkieShy and licks the horsey
06:08 * PinkieShy taste like Trident original chewing gum
06:28 <Finwe> Good morning, everypony!
06:28 <Finwe> Lt cdr ConfusionRift.
06:28 <Finwe> o7
06:28 <Finwe> Messrs Cepheid, PinkieShy and Schism|Adagio, Miss DashedRainbows.
06:28 * Finwe doffs his hat.
06:29 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
06:30 * Finwe boops Schism|Adagio with a grand soul gem.
06:32 * Schism|Adagio counterboops Finwe with a ring of waterbreathing.
06:34 * Filly_Nightmares meows
06:34 <Finwe> Miss Filly_Nightmares.
06:34 * Finwe doffs his hat.
06:34 * Filly_Nightmares eees at Finwe and clambers onto his head! She uses his hat as a blankie!
06:35 <Finwe> o3o
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06:45 <Schism|Adagio> Hmmmmm. Lots of elves to kill. With lots of elvish and glass armor. o3o
06:45 * Schism|Adagio carves a bloody swath through the Thalmor.
06:45 * Schism|Adagio also takes from them several thousand septims worth of gear. "Quest reward? What quest reward. This is enough."
06:48 * Filly_Nightmares eees
06:52 <PinkieShy> It seems like almost everything here is closing.. >_>
06:53 <PinkieShy> So far this year alone..
06:53 <PinkieShy> The movie theater is gone, Harvey's supermarket is closing, rite-aid is closed, payless shoesource is closed, Fatz is closed..
06:58 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Equestria Girls Season 2 Episode 9 - ??? - Stream / Discussion [ http://tinyurl.com/yymdhv5o ]
06:58 <ConfusionRift> Yep, it's happening kinda around here as well.
07:08 * Ali flops over ConfusionRift and PinkieShy
07:08 * Ali also spots RazorSharpFang and boops nosie
07:09 <RazorSharpFang> Hey heys.
07:09 * Ali whines to RazorSharpFang as she still can't touch Factorio.
07:10 <RazorSharpFang> I am quite liking 0.17.x but multiplayer is really nice.
07:11 * Ali want's to multiplayer .17 but she can't T.T
07:13 * ConfusionRift huggles Ali.
07:14 <PinkieShy> >_>
07:14 <PinkieShy> Just had to really.. watch a video how to cook bacon..
07:14 <Schism|Adagio> Meridia annoys me. Stupid Daedra of light. Absolutely... annoying.
07:14 <PinkieShy> Planning on eating some tomorrow for breakfast but haven't really cooked it on a griddle before..
07:14 <Schism|Adagio> Also, well. >.> There are ways to cook bacon...
07:14 <Schism|Adagio> Aha.
07:14 <PinkieShy> I usually use the microwave..
07:15 <PinkieShy> But.. The new microwave isn't here yet and the old one we got has rust every where possible.
07:15 <PinkieShy> Even some holes in it forming.
07:16 <RazorSharpFang> You could always fry it on a stove.
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07:19 <Schism|Adagio> Aha. You can only start the Whiterun Daedric quest from the Bannered Mare. Makes sense; I haven't gone there... like, ever.
07:19 <ConfusionRift> I should just boot the game and start a killing spree.
07:19 <Schism|Adagio> Not a bad way to blow off steam.
07:19 <ConfusionRift> I'm at that state of being both bored, and nor willing to do much.
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07:28 <Schism|Adagio> Hum. Leveling some of these skills is terribly obnoxious. I'm glad for master trainers...
07:28 <ConfusionRift> Yep!!!
07:31 <Schism|Adagio> Even basic trainers, to get Restoration/Destruction/etc. up to 50. Eugh.
07:31 <Ali> I hated magic training in Elder Scrolls
07:32 * Schism|Adagio obtains an item which allows them to use the Fence perk without buying it. "Welp, this should be useful."
07:33 <Schism|Adagio> Or would, if I were given to actually stealing things.
07:36 * Schism|Adagio gets an actual decapitation killcam. "Hum. First time I've seen that... I'll take that as a positive, then."
07:39 <ConfusionRift> You know, never actually tried to record using this particular setup... hmmmmm.
07:39 * DashedRainbows licks Finwe and chews on ConfusionRift's hooves
07:39 <ConfusionRift> :P
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07:41 * Golden sings All Star, but in the style of Country Roads.
07:43 <DashedRainbows> https://twitter.com/rhg135/status/1103922111830085637?s=19
07:43 <DashedRainbows> I'm back!
07:44 <ConfusionRift> Hehehe, nice. :P
07:44 <Golden> :3
07:51 <Schism|Adagio> You seen those warriors from Hammerfell?
07:51 <ConfusionRift> Think so?
07:51 <Schism|Adagio> They've got curved swords.
07:53 <Schism|Adagio> Curved... swords.
07:54 <Schism> Hm, game CTD'd. Good indication that I should perhaps take a pause.
07:55 * DashedRainbows sniffs around the channel and curls up to sleep
07:55 * ConfusionRift patpats DashedRainbows.
07:55 <Schism> <Mephala> Nobody will notice if Farengar went missing... I promise you.
07:55 <Schism> Well, that's not dire at all.
07:56 <ConfusionRift> "Stop right there!." | I literally JUST took my first starting step!
07:56 <Schism> Well, there's your problem then. You're starting the game as a convict!
07:57 <Schism> Not that this is at all a regular occurrence in the Elder Scrolls series.
07:57 <ConfusionRift> It's like starting GTA VC, and then getting shot right at the airport.
07:57 <Schism> Or starting with ** right from the word 'go'.
07:59 <ConfusionRift> "3. 2. 1. GO-" (explodes)
07:59 <Schism> I swear that's how some of my Just Cause 2 attempts have wound up.
07:59 <Schism> Three steps, followed by a rocket to the face.
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08:04 <Schism> The game got fed up with me shortcutting the story, too. It's started sending elder dragons my way, even without me waking them up in the first place.
08:05 <ConfusionRift> "MODS DETECTED" (burns everything) | Come oooon, maaaaan!
08:06 <Schism> Not so much /that/ as the fact that I'm now level 45 without even retrieving the staff of Jurgen Windcaller.
08:08 <Schism> It's like it's telling me to either start the main story, or get my tail over to Solsteim and start punching spiders.
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11:31 <Koopz> one thing i like about Bethesda's way of storytelling is that the setting makes it look like nobody expects anything from you unlike Nintendo which puts fates of entire kingdoms onto your shoulders right from the beginning because you're the *chosen* one.
11:33 <Koopz> That way it's totally fine for a random Wastelander who *could* get famous to do random stuff completely unrelated to the main story
11:33 <Koopz> "Link, are you done fishing? There's like... a princess to be saved"
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15:48 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Gameleon: Season 9 Premiere To Air April 6th on Discovery Family [ http://tinyurl.com/yyb5rr73 ]
15:54 <Cepheid> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1B7UHkUcAAIekB.png:large
15:55 <Cepheid> Schism, I suspect you might like that picture.
15:58 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Gameleon: New Trailer And Returning Guest Characters Revealed My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic For Season 9! [ http://tinyurl.com/y4gxtjpk ]
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16:16 <LibrarianofHope> morning
16:16 <LibrarianofHope> living nigiti frinking of the soy lakes, quite a way to begin the day
16:20 <LibrarianofHope> i cant seem to get fully rid of this friggin cold
16:23 <Cepheid> I got a cold now, too. Same with my mother.
16:24 <Cepheid> Minor coughing, sinuses feel packed, headache if we don't take painkillers, itchiness of the eyes, sore joints..
16:25 <LibrarianofHope> i take cold medicine
16:25 <LibrarianofHope> but im still tired and sore
16:25 <LibrarianofHope> i am trying to work, but its kinda hard to focus
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16:49 <Cepheid> Hum. Not very cold today.
16:50 <Cepheid> -7/-13.
16:50 <Cepheid> Huh. Prime numbers. Can't reduce that fraction.
16:55 <Cepheid> If it wasn't for the fact that it would annoy people, I would start singing along to Blue by Eiffle 65 on this bus.
17:00 <Cepheid> I have the song mostly memorized by this point. I could easily do karaoke of it.
17:02 <Cepheid> That or take over the sound system in Minto 2000 and karaoke it in front of the lecture hall.
17:14 <Cepheid> There are instrumenral and karaoke videos on Youtube. Hmm.
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17:44 * Schism passes Cepheid an aluminium crossbow.
17:45 <Schism> Hah, Tim Cook changed his Twitter profile name.
17:47 <Cepheid> Yeah. Tim Apple.
17:47 <Schism> Thanks to President Orange for the new moniker.
17:49 <LibrarianofHope> bleh is me
17:51 <LibrarianofHope> i feel awfull owo
17:52 <LibrarianofHope> cold and the stomach ulcers dont mix
17:52 <Schism> Ah good. A truce in the war between Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, and Stor-Elvdal, Norway, has been announced.
17:52 <LibrarianofHope> im not even surpirsed anymore
17:55 <Cepheid> Over the island? What's the truce?
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17:56 <Cepheid> We should just like, put an equal amount of money together and put a bar on the island open to citizens of either country.
18:01 <Schism> Cepheid: Heh, no, it's about the moose statues in each town.
18:02 <Schism> The 'war' was a playful little poke at one another, when in response to Moose Jaw's 9.8m moose, Stor-Elvdal erected a 10m moose.
18:02 <Schism> Hostilities flared, each side reading their mooseclear bombs.
18:02 <Schism> readying*
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19:02 <PinkieShy> hihi
19:05 <SunsetShimmer> Aloha
19:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #2914 [ http://tinyurl.com/y43brzms ]
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19:16 <Vulpor> By all that is pony DragonQuest XI is so freaking fun
19:20 <PinkieShy> .. >_>
19:20 <PinkieShy> Right when i complain about FedEx Being slow.. They show up..
19:20 <PinkieShy> a box that was like 30lbs
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19:39 <Cepheid> Hum. Among other things I need to consider and implement, I need to figure out how to correctly implement timing.
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19:47 <Cepheid> See, the problem is that updating the world one tick takes time. The time between each tick is thus variable. If we update at 60 ticks per second, the delta between updates is 1/60 seconds, or 16.666 repeating milleseconds. If a tick takes 2 milleseconds, the next update has to be scheduled around 14.666 milleseconds in the future.
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19:57 <LibrarianofHope> i took paracetamol and i feel wayyy better
19:57 <Cepheid> Complicating this is the nature of 3D engines. They queue commands, rather than directly execute. So there is no easy way to add the amount of time rendering took to the calculations.
19:58 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: 13 Band New Screenshots From My Little Pony Season 9! [ http://tinyurl.com/y5u8xmuz ]
20:06 <LibrarianofHope> i really need to get out of here, im going to get sick
20:07 <LibrarianofHope> i blame capitalism
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20:20 <LibrarianofHope> i found a motherlode of Warhammer novels and codex in my usual sources and some russian sections owo
20:21 <LibrarianofHope> im happy
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20:30 <Schism> LibrarianofHope, https://thetrove.net/Books/Warhammer/40000/Tabletop/
20:31 * LibrarianofHope hugs da schism
20:31 <LibrarianofHope> thannnnnk you owo
20:31 <Schism> Thought you might like that. o3o
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20:38 <LibrarianofHope> downloaded what peaked my interest for now
20:38 <LibrarianofHope> ill get everything eventually
20:39 <Schism> Alas, there's no Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!!! novels there, but I'm sure you can find those readily enough.
20:39 <LibrarianofHope> got them all
20:39 <LibrarianofHope> i got like 500 novels all worlds considered
20:39 <LibrarianofHope> even blood bowl
20:40 <LibrarianofHope> Cain seems to be the only one having fun in the galaxy
20:42 <Schism> He's not having a particularly big amount of fun, either, but at least he /is/ fun.
20:44 * Cepheid arrives at honme.
20:44 <Cepheid> And oof, my chest and windpipe hurt.
20:44 <LibrarianofHope> hello
20:44 <Schism> Oog. At least it's up to 0 degrees?
20:46 <LibrarianofHope> i like cold and all, but thats plain ridiculous
20:54 <LibrarianofHope> i have a bit of an opinion question
20:54 <LibrarianofHope> why would someone like nurgle guys?
20:58 <LibrarianofHope> more so the panting process, all the nasty stuff
20:58 <Schism> Hum, there's the whole aspect that what doesn't kill one makes one stronger, and so all that pestilence can be good in the end. Heh, like Boethiah, sometimes. Buuuut yeah. Couldn't say, but some folks like collecting gross demons.
20:59 * Cepheid sighs.
21:00 <Schism> Perserverence and survival are also Nurgle's domains.
21:00 <LibrarianofHope> also hope, but im not working with him
21:00 <LibrarianofHope> he cheats at regicide
21:01 <Schism> Cepheid: Hope that pain stops soon. :<
21:02 <LibrarianofHope> i found paracetamol worked wonders on my cold
21:02 <LibrarianofHope> maybe that
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21:11 <LibrarianofHope> sup
21:12 <LibrarianofHope> why was i not informed of the existance of this trove site
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21:13 <LibrarianofHope> this is a must joyous occasion
21:14 * LibrarianofHope passes ale and mysterios looking meat
21:17 <Cepheid> Schism, the sigh wasn't because of any pain, but rather annoyance at my parents.
21:17 <Schism> Ah.
21:18 <Cepheid> Any time they get on the phone, they usually eventually devolve to an annoyed/*****y tone, and it aggitates me.
21:18 <LibrarianofHope> mental conditioning
21:19 <LibrarianofHope> my dad for example is acting strangely kind to me, i dont really trust this change
21:19 <LibrarianofHope> if i let my guard down and he reverts to being abusive im back to square one
21:20 <LibrarianofHope> we need a beer
21:22 <LibrarianofHope> that was the most idiotic sentence i had to build
21:29 * Cepheid hums and thinks.
21:32 <LibrarianofHope> this trove thing is amazing owo
21:32 <LibrarianofHope> im so happy
21:32 * LibrarianofHope gives schism the schism of the millenia award
21:32 <LibrarianofHope> 50% on pizza included
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22:22 * Cepheid is currently trying to devise a way to ensure that exactly N updates occur each second, and no more, preferably with no multi-updates within a small time interval.
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22:23 <Schism> Mm, going to set ticks per second and then have the frames reflect that, possibly locked to a set rate?
22:23 <Schism> Like 60 update ticks, and then 30 frames.
22:24 <Cepheid> It's more difficult a problem than you think.
22:25 * Schism nods, "I've no doubt whatsoever."
22:26 <Cepheid> Timing is tricky. With 60 updates a second, you might have rare cases where one second, you see 59 updates, and the next second, 61 updates.
22:26 <Cepheid> The easiest solution to the problem is vsync.
22:26 <Cepheid> However, speedrunners like to disable vsync, and some people may not even know what it is, and not enable it.
22:27 <Cepheid> Thus, the game might run at upwards of hundreds of frames a second, and amazingly, that can affect things.
22:27 <Cepheid> Especially if you're just using a one-update-per-frame setup.
22:27 <Schism> I believe it, especially when complex matters like physics get involved.
22:27 <Cepheid> Best example of this happening would have been old games running on modern computers. And yes, physics are a problem too.
22:28 <Schism> Ah yes, when the game's speed is literally tied to framerate.
22:28 <Cepheid> The next approach up most people utilize is simply calculating the amount of time between one frame and the next, then advancing the world by that much time.
22:28 <Cepheid> Except that setup doesn't work well with physics.
22:28 <Schism> I'm also reminded of games like the 7th Guest, where there's one puzzle where the computer becomes unbeatable because its rate of calculation is tied to the processor.
22:28 <Cepheid> Heh.
22:29 <Cepheid> The next setup is discrete increments.
22:29 <Cepheid> But because of stupidity like 60hz(1000/60 = 16.66666666 milliseconds), you have cases where one second, there might be 61 updates, or the next, 59 updates. That is, the number of updates per second is inconsistent.
22:30 <Cepheid> Which results in, tada, stuttering.
22:30 <Cepheid> On the upside, if the world is advanced a set amount of time per tick, physics then becomes easier, because no matter what, the result of physics can be replicated exactly.
22:30 <Cepheid> Each and every time.
22:31 <Schism> And people complain about PAL and its 50hz framerate.
22:31 <LibrarianofHope> owo
22:31 <LibrarianofHope> that site is so wonderfull, i am downloading so much stuff
22:31 <LibrarianofHope> there is an MIB game, fancy site
22:31 <Cepheid> Of course, the downside is that if the system becomes bogged down, and the time between updates exceeds a set number, the performance hit becomes apparent.
22:31 <Cepheid> The game, logic and all, slows down.
22:31 <Schism> Mmm.
22:32 <Schism> And if you have a low enough framerate with a high enough rate of updates per second, movement becomes a little wonky.
22:32 <LibrarianofHope> you talking your personal project or games in general?
22:32 <Cepheid> Mixture.
22:33 <Cepheid> Schism: Yeah, you see stuff jumping around, basically.
22:33 <Schism> Fits both, yeah. And indeed, Librarian, the Trove is awesome.
22:33 <Cepheid> Ideally, world update rate should be lower than, or equal to the intended framerate.
22:33 <LibrarianofHope> im still happy to assit in story design
22:33 <LibrarianofHope> have you considered a gimmick?
22:33 <Cepheid> Still working on it.
22:34 <LibrarianofHope> once you get one to your satisfaction i can help you grow the history around it
22:34 <Schism> And again, all not helped in the slightest by the fact that monitors operate at multiples of odd numbers.
22:34 <Schism> 60, 120, 240.
22:35 <Schism> Because hey, there are 60 minutes in an hour, and 60 seconds in a minute, why shouldn't there be 60 frames in a second? *desk*
22:44 <Cepheid> I seem to have found a chunk of code that gives me no more, no less than the intended update rate, and avoids multi-ticking within a minimum amount of time. I have no idea how effective it is in reality.
22:46 <Cepheid> I actually went a bit crazy in figuring this out, because I am using threading to read the ticks-per-second counter in such a way that the reported value is unaffected by certain other situations.
22:48 <LibrarianofHope> i kinda sorta can deduce by context, its realated to the stuff in the screen each time?
22:48 <Cepheid> More related to how time works in the game.
22:48 <LibrarianofHope> makes sense
22:49 <LibrarianofHope> like in braid? the manipulation of time?
22:49 <Schism> LibrarianofHope, in effect, you want the computer to make things change X number of times per second, and you want that to be consistent so the game's not jumping around from frame to frame.
22:50 <Schism> Nono, this is how the game is programmed, not in-universe.
22:50 <Cepheid> Aye.
22:50 <Cepheid> It's about how many number of "world updates" occur each second.
22:50 <Cepheid> You don't want the number to exceed a certain value, and ideally, not to fall below that value either.
22:50 <Cepheid> Unfortunately, the latter case is impossible to deal with.
22:50 <Cepheid> Except through excessive optimization.
22:51 <Schism> There'll always be a circumstance where the computer gets clogged up due to other processes, at least in practice. Therefore, you have to figure out how to handle that when it occurs. For many games, both the game /and/ the framerate slow down to keep in time with one another, leading to slowdown in-game. For others, the game proceeds at its normal rate, but the framerate can drop -- GPU bottlenecking there.
22:53 <LibrarianofHope> the unwanted result in this case would be a slow game or a crashing game?
22:53 <Cepheid> Slow game.
22:53 <Schism> Slow game, and physics engines can behave in a wonky manner under certain circumstances.
22:53 <Cepheid> Crashing would not happen from something like this, unless something within the game's code is dependent heavily on the clock.
22:54 <Cepheid> Like physics.
22:54 <Cepheid> The longer it takes between each frame, the larger the discontinuity of physics motion.
22:54 <Schism> You can have some fun with certain game engines by messing about with clock speeds.
22:54 <Cepheid> Because physics involves integration, differentiation and the like.
22:54 <Schism> Speedy thing goes in, speedy thing doesn't necessarily come out.
22:55 <Cepheid> Or speedy thing takes a much larger step.
22:55 <LibrarianofHope> i have never been good grasping this type of stuff
22:55 <LibrarianofHope> one sec, let me think it
22:55 <Schism> Eh. In practical terms, imagine the universe 'hiccuping' if the speed of light changes arbitrarily.
22:56 <Schism> That's not a perfect metaphor, but it's close enough for our purposes.
22:56 <LibrarianofHope> i can work with that
22:56 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
22:56 <LibrarianofHope> this is the engine no?
22:57 <Schism> Yup.
22:57 <LibrarianofHope> could you in theory use it as a featture?
22:57 <Cepheid> The skippy nature? No.
22:57 <LibrarianofHope> like the main charcter can break relaity or stuff?
22:57 <Schism> I... think there would be better ways to handle that.
22:57 <Cepheid> I don't want that, however..
22:57 <LibrarianofHope> just in general i was curios
22:57 <Cepheid> It is possible to separate the player from the world in such a way that they use differing clocks, and the one or the other can be sped up or slowed down.
22:57 <Cepheid> Or outright stopped.
22:58 <LibrarianofHope> umm
22:58 <Schism> It's an interesting thought, having singularities of some kind or another appearing in certain rooms, and having physics affected by them.
22:58 <Cepheid> Go look up Touhou Luna Nights.
22:58 <Cepheid> That game uses exactly what I expressed.
22:58 <LibrarianofHope> or inversion
22:58 <Schism> Quite a lot of games have that sort of time-slow or time-stop mechanic going on at some point.
22:58 <LibrarianofHope> yeah
22:59 <LibrarianofHope> it could be worked in the plot, but its not very original
22:59 <Schism> Eh, some of the best ideas take an old gag and give it a new twist.
23:00 <LibrarianofHope> that is true
23:00 <LibrarianofHope> is the general idea a la mulana thing or an etrian thing?
23:00 <Cepheid> La-Mulana in that there are puzzles, traps, and exploration involved. Not simple puzzles or traps, either.
23:03 <LibrarianofHope> on the story teller perspective much can be done with that.
23:03 <LibrarianofHope> like deep lore, lots of gamers like the sense of discovery
23:03 <LibrarianofHope> and if you make it big you can sell books
23:03 <DashedRainbows> Good afternoon pony folk
23:04 <LibrarianofHope> sup
23:04 <Schism> Exploration is the meat and bones of the La-Mulana series, and many other Metroidvanias. Quite a lot of sandbox games, in general, too.
23:05 <LibrarianofHope> never liked metroivanias much
23:05 <LibrarianofHope> no clue why, never clicked with me
23:06 <Schism> Many of the primary aspects of Metroidvanias - find key A so you can open section B, wherein will be key C to open door B1...
23:06 <Schism> Well, those are roughly equivalent to other games anyway.
23:07 <Cepheid> Most metroidvanias, anyways.
23:07 <Cepheid> La-Mulana takes it a step further.
23:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Adorable / BoE 7:6 / AHNM 1:4 / Our Town 1:9 [ http://tinyurl.com/y2khpwuj ]
23:08 <Cepheid> In order to find key A, you need to solve puzzle Z in area J, which has a number of clues written out in area F.
23:08 <LibrarianofHope> i remeber reading the key to a succesfull gaming experience is the loop
23:08 <LibrarianofHope> sounds like that
23:09 <Schism> You can also consider, oddly, the Marathon series, where if you're not paying attention to and finding all the plot, you'll be lost without a map when it finally comes to explaining what the crap's going on.
23:09 <LibrarianofHope> the bungie game?
23:09 <Schism> Bungie series, yes.
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23:10 <LibrarianofHope> it would be wise to try to define intended target audience in very general terms at this point cepheid
23:10 * DashedRainbows licks LibrarianofHope
23:10 <LibrarianofHope> becuase it will probably change the design
23:11 <Schism> Heh, these days? 13-and-up.
23:11 <LibrarianofHope> or at least it jumped to my mind, might be a dumb thing to say for design
23:11 <LibrarianofHope> i mean more of a " hardcore explorer type, a anction type, "
23:12 <Cepheid> Let me put it this way.
23:12 <Cepheid> Cursing and swearing's allowed, as is artistic nudity. So in terms of Canadian movie ratings, 14A.
23:12 <Schism> Games like La-Mulana appeal greatly to the adventure game crowd. Where you solve puzzles based on odd clues and figure things out through careful exploration and documentation.
23:13 <LibrarianofHope> you also need to try and define diffuclty
23:13 <LibrarianofHope> considering the design work diffuclty writing seems a cinch
23:14 <LibrarianofHope> albeit with a strong enough lore the game might not need much complexity
23:15 <LibrarianofHope> like fnanf
23:15 <LibrarianofHope> fnaf
23:15 <Cepheid> Honestly?\
23:15 <LibrarianofHope> just an example
23:15 <Cepheid> The bosses and combat are preferable at "medium" difficulty, that is, not too hard, not too easy. After a certain point of upgrades, you can get around the game by ignoring them and getting hit, without severe risk of death.
23:16 <Cepheid> The difficulty is going to be in the puzzles and exploration
23:16 <LibrarianofHope> la mulana is metroidvania view?
23:16 <LibrarianofHope> havent ever played one
23:16 <Schism> La-Mulana is the gold standard of metroidvania for folks like myself and Cepheid.
23:17 <Stormspark> the gold standard will always be Super Metroid IMO rofl
23:17 <Cepheid> Yeah, it's definitely a metroidvania. It's... different, though.
23:17 <LibrarianofHope> i get the picture
23:17 <Stormspark> not saying there aren't other good Metroidvanias though
23:17 <Stormspark> the best recent Metroidvania I played was Ori and the Blind Forest
23:17 <Cepheid> To be honest, I'm not sure it qualifies exactly as a metroidvania, in the sense of Super Metroid and Castlevania: SOTN standards.
23:17 <LibrarianofHope> its a sidescroller
23:17 <Cepheid> It has the traits of a metroidvania, but something about it is different.
23:18 <LibrarianofHope> there plenty i can assit in the lore side, just tell me when you need me
23:18 <LibrarianofHope> making lore is its own reward, its very fun
23:18 <Stormspark> tvtropes lists it as a Metroidvania
23:19 <Stormspark> of course that doesn't necessarily mean anything
23:19 <Stormspark> the weirdest one I played that still counted as a Metroidvania was called Outland
23:19 <Stormspark> the only way to describe it is "it's like Super Metroid and Ikaruga made sweet love while Castlevania watched"
23:20 <Schism> Yeah, Cepheid and I have played that one. It's fun.
23:21 <Schism> Much better as a two-person game.
23:21 <Cepheid> Yeah.
23:21 <LibrarianofHope> i prefer way more turn strategy
23:21 <LibrarianofHope> but its taste
23:22 <LibrarianofHope> it still comes down to the loop
23:23 <LibrarianofHope> by the way
23:24 <LibrarianofHope> do you want the gameplay to use tools for specific stuff or a swiss knife thing the main guy has?
23:24 <LibrarianofHope> like blue card for blue door and such
23:24 <Schism> Hah. No... no, things are never that simple.
23:25 <LibrarianofHope> i should brush on la mulana if i do get to help this
23:26 <LibrarianofHope> how does it work then?
23:27 <Schism> The puzzle you solve in one room will usually solve /something/, but you often have to backtrack to find out exactly /what./
23:31 <LibrarianofHope> seems like a pain
23:31 <LibrarianofHope> but theres a market to everything
23:34 <Cepheid> There is.
23:34 <Cepheid> La-Mulana has a niche following, but it's gotten bigger.
23:34 <Cepheid> You're seeing more and more games like it, because these days..
23:34 <Cepheid> It's common for games to leave hints to the solution right in front of the relevant puzzle.
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23:52 <LibrarianofHope> im very dense to the obvious stuff
23:52 <LibrarianofHope> hence the annoyance
23:52 <LibrarianofHope> you never meant to sell the game no
23:52 <LibrarianofHope> ?
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23:59 <Cepheid> No.
23:59 <Cepheid> At most, allow donations.
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