00:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Pony Plushie Compilation #323 [ http://tinyurl.com/yyte4t4w ]
00:11 <DashedRainbows> It does but it depends on where you put it
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00:13 * Schism haaaahs. And also boops ADragonDreaming with a Paragon City.
00:24 <Ali> I thought that got shut down
00:24 <Schism> Well. Yes...
00:24 * Schism coughs.
00:24 * DashedRainbows places hay in the center of the channel to catch a small horse
00:25 <Schism> It turns out that there have been... well, a group of Interested Persons with the ability to revive it.
00:26 * Schism flies around with a Lightning/Fire hero, a reporter for the famous Gazette, who goes by Current A'fires.
00:29 <Schism> Or possibly a tank, an Stone/Ice tank with a yellow colour scheme, named Lemon Morraine.
00:35 <PinkieShy> DahsedRainbows it'll be under my desk
00:35 <PinkieShy> I can't wait for the PC to come tbh.
00:40 <DashedRainbows> Then it's fine. It will be fun, yeah
00:44 <PinkieShy> I got the bard role >_>
00:44 <PinkieShy> If i sing to a werewolf i die.
00:44 <Schism> Well, they've got sensitive ears.
00:45 <PinkieShy> Turning this role into like a seer like role by telling everyone who i am choosing tonight, if i die we know who the werewolf is :P
00:45 <PinkieShy> If i sing to a bodyguard, they get to protect twice.
00:46 <Schism> Well, not quite.
00:46 <Schism> A good werewolf will know to attack you right then and there!
00:46 <PinkieShy> true.
00:47 <PinkieShy> But the announcements by the game master tells if i got killed by the wolfwolves attack or if i choose to sing to a werewolf and they malled me to death or not
00:47 <Schism> Hmm, seems like a bit of a broken role then.
00:48 <PinkieShy> Bloody mary is a role everyone is scared of honestly.
00:48 <PinkieShy> If she dies in the day, villagers suffer by her killing off a villager every night
00:48 <PinkieShy> if its werewolves.. you get the picture :P
00:51 <Schism> I'm reminded of the first time I played Werewolf. T'was at a furry con. The crowd cheered whenever a villager got eaten - and gave a desultory 'awww' whenever a werewolf got hanged.
01:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Discussion: What Episode Would You Use To Introduce Someone to The Show? [ http://tinyurl.com/y6zelsce ]
01:04 <PinkieShy> This version though has alot of custom roles, hardcore and submitted roles that can do anything.. if you get voted on
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01:18 * DashedRainbows makes bored small horse noises
01:26 <PinkieShy> and.. i lost connection to VRChat.
01:30 <Schism> Blrrrrgh...
01:31 <Schism> Faster way for the future, PinkieShy. Hit Windows-R, and then type in 'ping 8.8.8.8'.
01:31 <PinkieShy> ok
01:31 <Schism> Or 'ping 4.2.2.1', but yeah.
01:32 <Schism> I assume you're on a Windows box.
01:36 <PinkieShy> I am :)
01:36 <PinkieShy> Windows 10 home
01:38 <Schism> A ping to the outside like that is better than just pinging someone.
01:42 <PinkieShy> okay :)
01:45 <Schism> hee. Also, have a good song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae940xjLBIk
02:01 <PinkieShy> I feel bad now.. :/
02:01 <PinkieShy> My dog kept me outside for a very long time
02:01 * Schism pours a cup of warm tea into PinkieShy.
02:01 <PinkieShy> and i was in a game.. :( and didn't get back in time
02:01 <Schism> It happens. Let 'em know!
02:01 <PinkieShy> the game ended.. i was in a empty world.
02:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1783 [ http://tinyurl.com/yy5qw2fx ]
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02:27 <Schism> Oh, darn and blast.
02:27 <Schism> An early patch resulted in the floor of each map disappearing. Nobody, as far as I know, used the phrase, "The bottom fell out of the world."
03:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: "Thank You" Music: Brownie - The Beginning of a New [Metal] [ http://tinyurl.com/y46gsov4 ]
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03:30 * Schism acquires the Esper "Seraphim". It teaches Life, and a whole host of other cure skills, VERY FAST.
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03:47 * RazorSharpFang yawns
03:51 <Schism> Takes a while for Drain to be trained up, at least in the early game.
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04:34 * DashedRainbows sniffs RazorSharpFang
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05:01 * Cepheid yawns at Ali and RazorSharpFang, because why not?
05:01 * Ali squeaks!
05:02 * DashedRainbows barks and chews on Ali's hooves
05:08 <Cepheid> How is everyone this morning?
05:08 <RazorSharpFang> I'm sore from my slip yesterday
05:10 <Cepheid> Oof.
05:10 <Cepheid> Was the slippery surface due to poor workplace safety? Or your shoes?
05:19 <RazorSharpFang> My foot got snagged in the trampoline.
05:21 <Cepheid> ... Where do you work?
05:21 <Cepheid> I'm assuming trampoline park, based on the mention of a trampoline
05:22 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, it's a small bungie/trampoline combo that sets up in shopping centres.
05:24 <Cepheid> Ah, okay. Then there's not much that can be done.
05:24 <Cepheid> If it was something else, your local OSHA or WSIB might want to know.
05:25 <RazorSharpFang> I can't believe that it happened twice on the same trampoline with me falling and hurting my same hand in the same place.
05:25 <Cepheid> Heh.
05:25 <Cepheid> How is your hand?
05:25 <RazorSharpFang> I don't think I've got any fractures, but it absolutely destroyed my grip strength.
05:26 <Cepheid> Black-and-blue, but not swollen?
05:26 <RazorSharpFang> My hand is neither black nor blue.
05:27 <Cepheid> And if it's not swollen, then yeah, it's likely not broken.
05:37 <Cepheid> Uh.... Thank you, Spitfire, for bringing me this dryer sheet.
05:57 <Cepheid> ...
05:57 <Cepheid> Really Spitfire?
05:57 <Cepheid> Yer gonna do this here, now?
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05:58 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
05:58 * Cepheid waves with a cat attached to arm. "Yo."
05:58 * ConfusionRift wavies.
05:59 * DashedRainbows barks at ConfusionRift and sits beside
06:00 * ConfusionRift pets DashedRainbows. :P
06:02 * DashedRainbows retrieves a bale of hay for the ConfusionRift
06:04 * ConfusionRift gets DashedRainbows another chew toy. :P
06:04 * DashedRainbows wags her tail and chews
06:06 <Cepheid> I shall be riiiiight back. Need to reboot laptop.
06:06 <ConfusionRift> Okaday.
06:06 <Cepheid> Or not. Just a logout-login.
06:07 * ConfusionRift wonders how A Hat in Time is doing. "...oooooh!"
06:08 * Cepheid sets up a Win10 VM on laptop.
06:09 <DashedRainbows> I love how resilient this phone is. Barring physical damage it won't die
06:09 <Cepheid> Heh.
06:09 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, mine has less physical resistance than my previous phone, despite being made of better materials, according to the manufacturer.
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06:10 <DashedRainbows> 'em phones heh
06:11 * ConfusionRift has dropped his S6 many times, and a few times screen first.
06:11 <ConfusionRift> Nada, still okay.
06:12 <Cepheid> Prior to the time I destroyed my S4, it never received a single scratch on it's screen. I had that thing in my pockets 24/7, with stuff like pencils, keys and change next to it.
06:12 <Cepheid> Not a single scratch.
06:12 <ConfusionRift> I think the most damage is what looks like kind of a crack on the side of the screen protector.
06:12 <Cepheid> Within 3 months of the A5 I got, a gouge in the screen.
06:12 * DashedRainbows has dropped this OnePlus 5 a few times
06:13 <Shed-34046> Does it make me look emo.. that most of my stuff is black? XD
06:13 <DashedRainbows> Nah :p
06:13 <ConfusionRift> ^
06:13 <Shed-34046> My desk is black, my computer is going to be black, speakers are black, my clothes are black..
06:13 <Shed-34046> Like almost all my shirts are black..
06:14 <Shed-34046> But with batman logos on them.. XD
06:14 <ConfusionRift> Many like black, and not in the "I feel dead inside" way.
06:14 <DashedRainbows> How... Dark
06:14 <Shed-34046> My fav colour is blue :3
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06:16 <Cepheid> PinkieShy, I am a night owl. My body has a biological preference to be awake during the night. As such, my eyes are subjected to darkness. As such, I hate bright colours. I like dark shades, etc.
06:16 <Cepheid> But I'm not emo. Or at least, as much as I used to be before being treated for major depression.
06:17 <Cepheid> So no, it doesn't make you look emo.
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06:21 <ConfusionRift> Ni No Kuni... or RPG Maker... hmmmmm...
06:21 <ConfusionRift> Unless... the server is up. o_0
06:21 <Cepheid> The factorio server?
06:21 <Cepheid> Still up last I checked.
06:22 <ConfusionRift> Oh, I thought you were gonna shut it off for studies.
06:22 <Cepheid> Oh, studies are done.
06:22 <Cepheid> I finished my last exam back on Thursday.
06:22 <ConfusionRift> Ah, okaday. Might check what's up.
06:24 * DashedRainbows offers her chew toy to ConfusionRift before trotting off
06:25 * ConfusionRift plays with it for a bit, and then leaves it for DashedRainbows when they wake up later on.
06:27 <ConfusionRift> Cepheid: Still on 0.17.32?
06:28 <ConfusionRift> Or did it move to 0.17.34?
06:28 <ConfusionRift> Never mind, got the notification.
06:29 <Cepheid> Yeah, it tells you these days.
06:31 * ConfusionRift is just a bit overwhelmed.
06:33 <ConfusionRift> I would hate to touch anything. Everything looks so well calculated and maintained.
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06:36 <ConfusionRift> Seems someone was trying to build something, or are remains of old distributions.
06:38 <Cepheid> Overall it's a mess, yeah.
06:39 <ConfusionRift> i see someone copied the same layout for panels and accumulators. :P
06:40 <Cepheid> That wasn't me. You'd know it was me by a different pattern.
06:40 <Cepheid> I don't combine panels and storage, for starters.
06:41 <ConfusionRift> Woah, what's with this train spaghetti junction.
06:47 <ConfusionRift> Dunno what to do here. Everything seems to be set.
06:50 <ConfusionRift> Huh, didn't recognize the substation.
06:51 <Cepheid> The junction just out sitting by itself was Razor playing with a design.
06:51 <RazorSharpFang> Oh version mismatch?
06:53 <ConfusionRift> Got that solved. :P
06:54 <ConfusionRift> Hmmm?
06:54 <Cepheid> Really should finish that script.
07:02 <Cepheid> Factorio devs really need to make it so that a mod can be defined as server-side or client-side, so that server-side mods don't require a client-side download.
07:04 <Cepheid> ...
07:05 * Cepheid grabs his screwdriver set, flips over laptop.
07:05 <ConfusionRift> Hmm?
07:06 <Cepheid> Oh.
07:07 <Cepheid> It's not a broken/disconnected USB port.
07:07 <Cepheid> Just didn't want to function for some reason. Probably driver failure.
07:13 <Cepheid> Went to try and use my wired ethernet dongle, laptop wasn't picking it up on the two left ports. Worked fine on the right port. Thought maybe there was an internal problem.
07:14 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang, out of curiousity, have you ever seen a post on Stack Exchange that wasn't marked as a duplicate?
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07:23 <Cepheid> Huh.
07:23 <Cepheid> Apparently Breath of the Wild is loading much faster after the recent VR update.
07:23 <RazorSharpFang> Cepheid, I have not.
07:24 <Cepheid> Up to 5-6 seconds going from a shrine to the overworld, and ~4 seconds from overworld to shrine.
07:24 <Cepheid> So now it takes ~10-11 seconds for both ways
07:25 <Cepheid> Apparently there's rumors of a boost mode having been implemented in the Switch firmware.
07:26 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/RJTT_OKAPI/status/1122090578622083072 ...
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07:52 <Cepheid> ...?
07:52 <Cepheid> Okay, that's weird.
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08:00 <Cepheid> I suspect that there is a standby issue with USB.
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08:05 <Cepheid> If I ever get stupid enough to create my own distribution of linux, advise me to create a standard, and get it adopted and/or signed.
08:06 <Cepheid> The biggest problem I have with Linux currently, which actually also exists to some degree with Windows and Mac OS X as well, and probably every other OS out there as well..
08:06 <Cepheid> Is that it's not possible to have multiple versions of a library installed.
08:06 <Cepheid> All distributions, currently, overwrite the previous version.
08:08 <ConfusionRift> They expect you to move from the oldest to newest, but yeah. You can't just have multiple versions.
08:15 <Cepheid> Arguably, that's fine.
08:15 <Cepheid> But it creates problems.
08:15 <Cepheid> Even a patch change, a change that is NOT supposed to affect compatibility, can break an application.
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08:16 <Cepheid> ... How cute. Snap image of dotnet SDK version 3 doesn't appear to work right.
08:17 <Cepheid> While the downloadable package does.
08:18 <Cepheid> ... Oh.
08:18 <Cepheid> ...
08:19 <Cepheid> Okay, the snap version ran once, then stopped.
08:19 <Cepheid> Oh, that's why it worked. Ran the non-snap version on the project, which it just used.
08:19 <Cepheid> But that said, why is the snap version broken..? *Checks*
08:21 <Cepheid> Looks like it's a runtime issue. Hmm.
08:29 <Cepheid> Right, that's just plain weird. Both packages are the same, in terms of runtimes, etc.
08:34 <Cepheid> Which just tells me that something's either wrong with snap, or... yeah.
08:40 <Cepheid> Next approach, system update. Could be that it's expecting something on my system that's not installed because it's out-of-date. o3o
08:42 * Cepheid installs QEMU on ConfusionRift.
08:44 * ConfusionRift flops. 0_0
08:45 <Cepheid> Now you can run code from any architecture!
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08:48 * ConfusionRift turns a house upside down. "Oh... nononono! Undo!"
08:53 <Cepheid> ... Bah.
08:53 <Cepheid> It's looking like the potential issue is with a library.
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09:02 <Cepheid> ... That is..
09:02 <Cepheid> I just did a diff of on the two installs, the package-based one, and the snap install.
09:02 <Cepheid> A number of files are different. o3o
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09:15 <Cepheid> Let's see if the stable version has any problems. Can't use it, though.
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09:28 <Cepheid> Yeah, that's not working either, and it's probably because the stable version is out of date.
09:28 <Cepheid> I suspect the snap repository isn't well-maintained. Just gonna use the stand-alone package, set my path accordingly.
09:28 <Cepheid> Aaaand voila.
09:39 <Cepheid> I'm gonna have to change my class in the Etrian Odyssey series, now, I think.
09:39 <Cepheid> Not sure if it's due to my meds, but when it comes to getting combative and such, I feel more "stand and fight!" than "back off and recover!"
09:44 * ConfusionRift shrugs.
09:59 <Cepheid> Long story short, I'm feeling more in line with a warrior type now. Given my inclination to take up Kendo, probably a samurai.
10:00 <Cepheid> Hum. .NET Core 3.0.0 still needs work under Linux.
10:00 <Cepheid> It's assuming non-case-sensitive filesystems.
10:14 <Cepheid> Heh, yeah, a lot of it is designed under the impression that it was meant to be run on Windows, or a non-case-sensitive FS.
10:14 <Cepheid> Well, this simplifies things for me.
10:14 <Cepheid> I wanted to use try using WPF and .NET Core 3.0 to write a cross-platform GUI application, but it seems that's still a ways off.
10:16 <RazorSharpFang> I didn't think WPF was cross-platform yet
10:17 <Cepheid> Truth told, I'm not sure. I'm just testing stuff.
10:17 <Cepheid> Far as I know, WPF and WinForms were added in 3.0.0-preview3.
10:18 <Cepheid> But even if they do work under Linux, it's moot.
10:18 <Cepheid> The build environment seems to have issues relating to paths.
10:20 <RazorSharpFang> Relating to paths? How so?
10:21 <Cepheid> It can't find files that exist, either because it's using the wrong path separator, or because a file is not named correctly.
10:21 <Cepheid> There's a file deep in the SDK tree that is called Microsoft.WinFx.targets.
10:21 <Cepheid> However, another file in the SDK references it as Microsoft.WinFX.targets
10:22 <Cepheid> That change in capitalization of "WinFX" breaks it.
10:22 <RazorSharpFang> Oh dang.
10:23 <RazorSharpFang> Could you not just do a find-replace for that?
10:25 <Cepheid> That's what I did. In any case, it appears WPF and WinForms aren't working on Linux or Mac OS X yet. Assuming they ever plan to do that.
10:25 <Cepheid> Right now they're trying to get all the stuff from the .NET Framework ported to .NET Core
10:26 <RazorSharpFang> A big job probably.
10:26 <Cepheid> Looks it. It's functional, but they're looking to get it up to parity before the final release.
10:28 <Cepheid> The problem on the Linux side of things really, is what do we work with?
10:28 <Cepheid> We have multiple APIs for handling window-based stuff.
10:37 <Cepheid> In regards to using C#, WinForms, WPF, etc..
10:37 <Cepheid> I am not a fan of Microsoft and their practices. But at the same time, I'm not a fan of Apple either, nor am I a fan of Stallman and the FSF.
10:37 <Cepheid> I have problems with all organizations, because each one has their own goals towards locking down what a developer can and can't do.
10:38 <Cepheid> And yes, the FSF and Stallman are a pain in the butt in that area, despite being proponents of open-source software.
10:38 <Cepheid> If Stallman had his way, there'd be no closed-source software at all. It wouldn't be a choice developers could make.
10:39 <RazorSharpFang> That's not very ... free ...
10:40 <Cepheid> I'm sure I'm overstating his stance, but given the GPLv3..
10:40 <Cepheid> There's a lot of weirdness about it.
10:40 <Cepheid> Regarding what rights a developer has.
10:40 <Cepheid> Overall, his general stance strikes me as "Yeah, closed-source isn't a thing. It should be illegal."
10:41 <Cepheid> I mean, I understand the reason why open-source is better.
10:41 <AppleDash> I honestly really don't get people who, when I tell them my favorite programming language is C#, their first reaction is "ewww Microsoft!!!1111oneone@!@!@!#@!$eleven"
10:41 <RazorSharpFang> That's basically making closed-source illegal though right?
10:41 <Cepheid> I like C++ and C#, myself.
10:41 <AppleDash> Like, the people/companies behind a technology does not dictate that technology's quality or usability
10:41 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
10:41 <Cepheid> And with .NET Core being a thing now..
10:41 <RazorSharpFang> C# is just Microsoft java that's a lot more sane to use.
10:41 <Cepheid> Heh, well-put.
10:41 <Cepheid> I don't mind Java, but I much prefer C#.
10:42 <Cepheid> AppleDash, the main concern people have with C# and Microsoft is that they're afraid that Microsoft will just turn tail, remove all the various open-source licenses, and then file trillions of lawsuits, etc.
10:42 <Cepheid> That is, suddenly demand licensing fees and the like.
10:43 <Cepheid> Microsoft is stupid and evil, but I would like to think there's a limit to the stupidity and evil.
10:43 <AppleDash> That's not really a thing that can be done if I recall - at the very least, you can't change the license of an open source project without consent from all of its contributors - even those that just changed one line - and even if it is changed, I believe you can still use old versions under the terms of the old license.
10:44 <Cepheid> There are likely folks within the company who are putting forth stuff like thesises and arguments to upper management that's resulting in many of these open-source initiatives. Not all the programmers, designers and developers, mind.
10:44 <Cepheid> I'd like to think that there are software developers who work for Microsoft that also support open-source initiatives and so on.
10:44 <Cepheid> I mean, I almost worked for them.
10:44 <AppleDash> I hate every programming language and related things. I just have ones I hate the least.
10:45 <Cepheid> Pretty much.
10:45 <Cepheid> That's why new languages keep appearing in the first place.
10:45 <ConfusionRift> Sleep for work. Laters!
10:45 <Cepheid> Someone hates all the languages around them, then goes "I'll make my own language, with blackjack and hookers!"
10:45 <AppleDash> And they somehow manage to be worse than all their predecessors :P
10:45 <AppleDash> see: Go, Rust
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10:45 <Cepheid> Debatable.
10:46 <Cepheid> The thing about people making new languages, is that they can design the language around the features *THEY* like.
10:46 <Cepheid> As a result, though the language becomes open and popular, and gains support among folks..
10:46 <Cepheid> The language, at it's core, is designed centrally for one person.
10:46 <AppleDash> Indeed
10:47 <Cepheid> Thus, it is perfect for THAT person.
10:47 <Cepheid> But there'll always be flaws for anyone else.
10:47 <Cepheid> Thus resulting in the problem replicating itself over time.
10:47 <AppleDash> I'd design my own programming language if I had the drive to do so, but I'm pretty sure it'd just basically be C with a couple of additions.
10:47 <Cepheid> I would not design my own language. I wrote a compiler, once.
10:47 <Cepheid> I don't want that kind of burden.
10:48 <Cepheid> DSLs, yes, complete, fully-featured languages, no.
10:48 <Cepheid> (DSL = Domain-Specific Language. A language designed for a very specific purpose.)
10:49 <AppleDash> It's always fun when debugging your code turns into debugging your code and your compiler's code.
10:49 <Cepheid> I'll actually have to write a DSL for my game.
10:49 <Cepheid> Need them scripts to tell the actors what to do.
10:49 <Cepheid> ...
10:50 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang, question. When you finish a semester, do you always feel like there's something you have to do for the days following the end of the last exam?
10:54 <RazorSharpFang> Actually, I usually take a week off after final exams.
10:55 <Cepheid> Yeah, that's what I'm doing.
10:55 <Cepheid> I'm just saying that I'm feeling this sensation that "I should be doing something."
10:55 <Cepheid> It's gone now, but yeah.
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11:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1556 [ http://tinyurl.com/yyldba2n ]
11:07 <Cepheid> Yeah, WinForms would need a lot of work to get working on any non-MS platform. Lot of integration with Windows DLLs and other fun stuff.
11:07 <Cepheid> In order to even get it to work right, all of that would have to be abstracted out.
11:09 <AppleDash> Last I checked, Forms worked fine under Mono.
11:09 <AppleDash> It was WSL that didn't.
11:10 <Cepheid> I'm looking at .NET Core 3.0.0 and so on, not Mono.
11:11 <RazorSharpFang> Could always use Java. :3
11:11 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
11:11 <RazorSharpFang> There's always GTK+ ?
11:11 <Cepheid> Alternatively, it's possible .NET Core + GtkSharp will work.
11:12 <AppleDash> Just saying, it already does work on a "non-MS platform" :P
11:13 <Cepheid> Heh. :P
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11:16 <Cepheid> Hum, looks like GtkSharp works with .NET Core 2.0-2.2
11:16 <Cepheid> Probably a (hopefully) trivial issue to build a 3.0.0-compatible version.
11:17 <RazorSharpFang> I'm now researching artillery on the server.
11:28 <Cepheid> Right, so building gtksharp is not easy.
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12:13 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Fluttershy Day Discussion: Character Development, Future Episode Ideas, and More! [ http://tinyurl.com/y64cex94 ]
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12:52 <Cepheid> Word of advice, avoid xdm on arch. Until someone gets around to replacing it's default behaviour for handling the PATH variable, it's broken on newer distros.
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13:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: 50 Adorable Fluttershy Plushies for Fluttershy Day! [ http://tinyurl.com/y53tkey9 ]
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13:06 <Cepheid> That feeling when you're so full of energy because your stomach is empty that you, with no reasonable reason, do a bunch of chores as rapidly as possible.
13:07 <Cepheid> Hum.
13:08 <Cepheid> The composer for Etrian Odyssey really, *REALLY* Like 3, it seems.
13:08 <Cepheid> There's even a remix of The First Campaign, the battle theme of Etrian Odyssey 3 for the first three stratums.
13:10 <Cepheid> And of the FOE theme.
13:10 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbPCzQ9l05c
13:10 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
13:11 <Cepheid> And Waterfall Woodlands. Of course, *THAT* much is expected.
13:11 <Cepheid> Etrian Odyssey X is... interesting.
13:11 <Cepheid> The first "labyrinth" has a fake moment.
13:11 <Cepheid> The first floor of the first Labyrinth is *IDENTICAL* to the first floor of the first labyrinth of Etrian Odyssey 4.
13:12 <Cepheid> Down to all the chest locations, FOE locations, and even some QUEST locations.
13:12 <Cepheid> ... Huh, also the second stratum theme from EO3 was remixed.
13:12 <Cepheid> Geezus, they really thought 3 was some sort of Opus Magnum.
13:14 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Etrian Odyssey Nexus [世界樹の迷宮X] - That Fresh Blood is Thine or the Enemy's (X ver.)
13:14 <Cepheid> I feel like I should play through all of the games, 100% to the true final boss of each, before playing X proper.
13:21 <RazorSharpFang> We have artillery wagons now
13:22 <Cepheid> Cool. Sorry I'm not on.
13:23 <Cepheid> I think the next thing I need to learn to control is my work ethic.
13:24 <RazorSharpFang> Work ethic? How so?
13:24 <Cepheid> I prioritize work on my project above all else.
13:24 <Cepheid> Or anything related to it.
13:24 <Cepheid> Including learning languages and techniques I may need for it.
13:35 <RazorSharpFang> Is this necessarily a problem?
13:44 <Cepheid> Some people might consider it antisocial.
13:47 * Schism gets onto the game, and immediately there's a 'we're restarting in 15 minutes' server message. Sigh.
13:47 <Schism> Ah well. Mornin'.
13:48 <RazorSharpFang> Wait, which game?
13:49 <Cepheid> He's been playing on that CoH private server.
13:53 * Schism nods, "Hoorb."
14:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Evil Genius Luna in Plushie Form! [ http://tinyurl.com/y3w2tfam ]
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14:19 <Cepheid> ...
14:20 <Cepheid> I don't know who's responsible, I'm blaming UX engineers, but I really, really wish people would stop dumbing down frontend for things. Like Javadoc.
14:20 <RazorSharpFang> What about javadoc?
14:20 <Cepheid> I prefer the old tri-panel approach. Not this dumbed-down, designed-for-smartphones approach.
14:23 <Cepheid> The old layout was easy to navigate and find information with.
14:23 <Cepheid> Now this new setup they have is just..
14:23 <Cepheid> Why?
14:23 <Schism> Because phones, I assume.
14:23 <RazorSharpFang> Hrmm
14:24 * Schism talks to a wolf in a kilt.
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14:25 <Schism> Twitter's new look is equally annoying. Why? Can't you just keep a mobile version?
14:25 <RazorSharpFang> Can you send me a screenshot? twitter looks the same to me.
14:25 <Schism> No, I already reverted to the old look, heh.
14:26 <Schism> Sorry. I think it drew some substantial ire.
14:27 <Schism> Pff. Alright, crew. We've gotta canvas the obvious spots. Dillo, check the hospital. Proton, check city hall. Flambeaux--" "I'LL CHECK THE SHOPPING MALL!" "... okay."
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15:36 <RazorSharpFang> My grip strength on my left hand is returning to me, which is a good sign. I don't think I broke any of the bones, nor are there any small fractures.
15:47 <Schism> Phew. I'm glad to hear that. o.o
15:48 <Schism> What did you do to yourself?
15:50 <Cepheid> I applaud the developers of SWT, the toolkit used in the Eclipse IDE.
15:50 <Cepheid> THey've managed to create something even more confusing and more difficult to use than the Win32 API.
15:50 <RazorSharpFang> I tripped (twice) and used my hand to "catch" my fall (twice) and smashed my hand onto unforgiving floor (twice).
15:54 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfSIZexGCxI Schism.
15:54 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
15:54 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about [東方自作アレンジ] 514 [原曲:ハルトマンの妖怪少女]
15:57 <Cepheid> Hum, the song name makes no sense.
16:01 <Cepheid> If I translated it correctly, it's approximately "Hartman's Ghostly Maiden"
16:01 <Cepheid> Which appears to be close, according to the wiki.
16:02 <Cepheid> Wiki translation is "Hartmann's Youkai Girl"
16:02 <Cepheid> I just chose words that seemed more... I dunno, appropriate.
16:03 <Cepheid> Got my mark back for Japanese.
16:03 <Cepheid> Final mark, A-
16:03 <Schism> Oh, nice. Also, owwww, RSF.
16:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Show Song Remix: Daniel Ingram - Flawless (Eurobeat Brony Remix) [Eurobeat] [ http://tinyurl.com/y6jg6ah7 ]
16:05 <Cepheid> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjJMWj6BYhY Have you seen this yet, Schism?
16:07 <Schism> Nope, haven't seen that one yet.
16:07 <Cepheid> It was released just the other day.
16:07 <Cepheid> minusT is impressive.
16:07 <Cepheid> Far as I know, they use programming to deal with the bullet patterns.
16:10 <Cepheid> I'm waiting for the day that brain-directed-input is more feasible.
16:12 <Cepheid> Pretty sure it's obvious what I have in mind for such tech, given that video.
16:16 <RazorSharpFang> I'm forced to do coal liquefaction to cope with our oil shortage.
16:16 <Cepheid> Meh.
16:16 <Cepheid> It works.
16:16 <Cepheid> And coal loses it's "value" in other areas anyways.
16:17 <RazorSharpFang> Only really used for plastic and grenades end-game.
16:17 <Cepheid> And given I have an entire site dedicated to grenades..
16:17 <Cepheid> Gods, I hope you didn't mess that up, or I'll have to kill you.
16:18 <Cepheid> ... You screwed with it, didn't you?
16:18 <RazorSharpFang> I think 9 assemblers doesn't qualify it for "entire site"
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16:19 <RazorSharpFang> It's better connected now, mind you.
16:19 <Cepheid> I kept it simple to practice with math.
16:19 <Cepheid> But is the site still producing grenades, and only grenades?
16:19 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah.
16:19 <Cepheid> Good
16:20 <Cepheid> I was planning to spawn a group of 10 behemoth biters on you had you changed what it was used for.
16:20 <RazorSharpFang> It's been idle for the longest time mind you, out of no-one really using its products.
16:23 <RazorSharpFang> I've placed a lot more safe-crossing zones, so hopefully it'll make travelling across rail lines less hazardous...
16:23 <Cepheid> *Five seconds later, someone dies*
16:23 <RazorSharpFang> I was ran over whilst implementing them, yes.
16:24 <Cepheid> That explains the chat log.
16:24 <Cepheid> I was gonna spawn a biter, by the by, but the game complained.
16:24 <Cepheid> If I used the command, it would have disabled achievements.
16:24 <RazorSharpFang> I can read lua. :3
16:24 <Cepheid> :P
16:24 <Cepheid> I wasn't sure if that was visible on the client side.
16:25 <Cepheid> I was gonna give us a pet biter.
16:25 <Cepheid> Since placing it on the Player force would have made it friendly to us.
16:25 <RazorSharpFang> I did make a small adjustment TO your site, but I think it's an improvement.
16:25 <Cepheid> ... We'd need a proper cage for it, though.
16:25 <Cepheid> Otherwise it'd wander off and get killed.
16:26 <RazorSharpFang> The iron loader now unloads both sides of the cargo wagon.
16:26 <Cepheid> That's fine.
16:26 <Cepheid> I assume you also changed the train schedule.
16:26 <RazorSharpFang> Yep yep.
16:26 <Cepheid> Like I said, it was an experiment with mathematics stuff for me.
16:26 <RazorSharpFang> The comparators are neat, you did well to make the light work like that.
16:26 <Cepheid> I calculated approximately how long it'd take those 9 assemblers to go through a full wagon of plates.
16:27 <Cepheid> Oh, that was just me playing with comparators and such.
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16:34 <RazorSharpFang> I've also fixed an issue with the previous safe-crossings, where it wouldn't keep signals disabled while you were inside it.
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16:50 <RazorSharpFang> Imagine a flamethrower turret, but it sprays acid instead.
16:51 <Cepheid> Heh.
16:57 <Schism> But... but sulfuric acid is better used in uranium, right?
16:57 * Schism separates sulfur from seawater.
16:58 <RazorSharpFang> Are you playing seablock too? :3
16:58 <Schism> Off and on. X3;
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17:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #2962 [ http://tinyurl.com/y2gnug7j ]
17:04 <Cepheid> https://kotaku.com/minecraft-villagers-are-out-of-control-after-latest-upd-1834312117
17:12 <RazorSharpFang> I'm testing out the artillery.
17:13 <RazorSharpFang> It's very effective.
17:17 <RazorSharpFang> The artillery wagons are very heavy and slow though.
17:19 <RazorSharpFang> Kinda wish artillery destroyed cliffs too. :3
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17:25 <Cepheid> Honestly, given the difficulty of destroying real-world cliffs, that they gave us the ability to do that at all is nice.
18:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: 30 Funny, Cute, and Saucy Fluttershy Comics for Fluttershy Day! [ http://tinyurl.com/y69cq35k ]
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18:45 <Cepheid> I need to read up on all the changes to Java from 8 to 11 inclusive.
18:46 <Cepheid> "The shovel knight games are actually 2D games in 3D." ... Yeah.
18:46 <Cepheid> That's because of the whole "layering" thing.
18:47 <Cepheid> It's a mechanism to simplify rendering of multiple layers, though it does result in overdraw.
18:47 <Cepheid> Trade-off, basically. Ease of coding versus performance.
18:49 <Cepheid> Gotta admit though, rotating the camera around is kinda trippy.
18:49 <Cepheid> https://kotaku.com/youtuber-shows-that-shovel-knight-is-actually-3d-1834338841
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19:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Cobalt Comet: "The Point of No Return" Episode Followup - [Twilynanas Intensifies] [ http://tinyurl.com/yxb64hte ]
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19:14 <Cepheid> Ow. I hurt.
19:16 <Starlight_Glimmer> Ali: You're late. No perfect record for you.
19:17 * Ali isn't Twilight so she doesn't Twilight over it
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19:27 <Starlight_Glimmer> You're almost as big of a nerd :3
19:28 <Ali> But not cute like Twilight
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19:35 <Starlight_Glimmer> Well not like purple smart levels of cute, but a close call.
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21:00 <Cepheid> Hmm. Zen mode for an editor. Fullscreens the editor, hiding even taskbars and system trays.
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21:34 <Princess-Luna> Stuuupid phone xD
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21:37 <Starlight_Glimmer> Princess-Luna: In the vast majority of cases the fault is in front of the screen ;)
21:37 * Starlight_Glimmer hides
21:37 <Princess-Luna> Its more the connection itself
21:38 <Starlight_Glimmer> Also there is something about that silly pegasus that can't even fly properly that makes her an incredible subject of drawings.
21:44 <Starlight_Glimmer> Meh it's probably that Sunset person you keep hanging around with that sabotages everything.
21:44 <Princess-Luna> You are a fine one to speak of such treachory! X3
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21:46 <Schism> Four server shards now, criminy.
21:48 <Schism> "A modern processor with at least 64 cores, 96GB of RAM, and a very stable connection."
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23:44 <DashedRainbows> Indeed
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