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00:06 * Cepheid opens up EO5. "To defeat the Dryad, I need to use as many binds as possible."
00:07 <Cepheid> I mean, I could also just cheese it and use wraiths, but where's the fun in that? I did it once, I'm not doing it again.
00:12 <Cepheid> Unfortunately, it's not exactly that simple for me.
00:19 <Cepheid> To solve the problem, I have to raise a character who can debuff the boss, make it easier to inflict binds and status effects. Therefore, I have recruited a Harbinger by the name of... Tim.
00:26 <Cepheid> ... Sweet geezus that skill increases EXP considerably.
00:29 <Cepheid> Aaaand this setup is working better than expected. I got Tirek on binding duty, with boosted Luck to help his bind chance. Tim's debuffing the FOEs, and Tirek is binding them like mad despite having RESISTANCES TO BINDS.
00:30 <Cepheid> ...
00:30 <Cepheid> So the exact increase in EXP of a maxed Soul Gather is +100%.
00:32 <Schism> Impressive. Does it stack if you get two party members with it?
00:32 <Cepheid> I am not sure.
00:32 <Cepheid> That said, I am reminded of something.
00:33 <Cepheid> Ah, there it is.
00:34 <Cepheid> The Memory Conch.
00:34 <Cepheid> Shares EXP with inactive party members.
00:34 <Cepheid> That is, anyone sitting back at base.
00:36 <Cepheid> Put that on, then use Soul Gather to boost EXP(and enemy encounter rate, thus increasing overall EXP gain), then go to the fifth stratum, just murder standard stuff.
00:36 <Cepheid> Can probably get 30,000-40,000 EXP from up there from regular groups, at far less pain involved than fighting FOEs.
00:37 <Schism> Ah, the Exp. All. I mean, uh, yeah. Not a bad way to reduce the late-game grind, that's to be sure.
00:38 <PinkieShy> What.. the..
00:38 <Schism> I forget, retirement bonuses only apply once, right? So you can't keep grinding up a party member to 30 and retiring them to stock up on extra points that way?
00:38 <PinkieShy> What were people thinking in the early Y2Ks.. Flexplay the self destructing discs...
00:39 <Schism> Hah, look up the SONY rootkit DRM fiasco sometime.
00:39 <PinkieShy> (It wasn't really self destructing its just the name ppl gave it, the disc had a chemical in it that made it go black after 48hrs of opening meeting oxygen)
00:39 <Cepheid> Schism: How many points you get, as I understand, is dependent on the level at which you retire.
00:39 <Schism> Mmm, I'm just wondering if that can stack over and over, like transmigration in Disgaea.
00:39 <Cepheid> It does not.
00:40 <Schism> Ah, probably for the best.
00:40 <Cepheid> The fastest way to level Tim, ironically, would be to send him out solo, with overpowered gear.
00:40 <PinkieShy> Just looked it up Schism.
00:40 <PinkieShy> Again.. What ever people.. thinking back then.. >_>
00:40 <Schism> "They weren't".
00:40 <Cepheid> They still aren't.
00:41 <PinkieShy> The world would be a better place if everybody would use something we all got.. Common sense
00:42 <Cepheid> Right. Tim, you're in the front. Schism, get in the back. John, stand next to Schism, we got some testing to do.
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00:44 <Cepheid> Okay.
00:44 <Cepheid> Soul Gather does NOT stack.
00:45 <Cepheid> Figures, though. It's a usable skill that adds a timed effect.
00:45 <Cepheid> Using it again just restocks the effect.
00:46 <Cepheid> Anyways, Tim, back in front, Schism, back in the back. John, go play poker with the others or something.
00:46 <Cepheid> Common sense tells me I should get my hands on that before I run Tim and Schism through the gauntlet. Cradle Edge, highest-tier Scythe.
00:49 <Cepheid> Simple solution. Just harvest all the things up in the sixth stratum. o3o
00:50 * Cepheid returns to dead with Schism dead, Tim turned to stone, Cepheid at 24% health, Tirek dying of several concussions. "That was a bad idea."
00:50 <Cepheid> Er, to town*
00:52 <Cepheid> ... Why do I not have this obvious shortcut unlocked?
00:54 <Cepheid> Tim now knows all the skills he needs, which leaves me wondering what direction I should send him in now
00:55 <Cepheid> ... The hell you doing alive, man? I thought I killed you. *Walks around the Eternal Tyrant*
00:55 <Schism> Huh, it's been over 5 years since Heartbleed.
00:58 <Cepheid> While I'd love to harvest my way to 325,000en, a better idea might be to abuse Soul Gather. Shoot the encounter rate up high, get more EXP, more monster drops.
01:00 * Schism hums, considering a few random cases of Chesterton's Fence.
01:00 * Cepheid returns to town with everyone by Cepheid dead. "That may have been a poor idea."
01:00 <Cepheid> but*
01:01 <Cepheid> Apparently I never finished mapping floor 24.
01:02 <Cepheid> Knowing me back then, I was probably impatient with the final stratum, so I rushed through it to get to the boss.
01:04 <Cepheid> ...
01:04 <Cepheid> The last 3 battles went exactly the same in every single respect.
01:04 <Cepheid> Same group of enemies. Same attacks. Same status effects hitting the same enemies.
01:05 <Cepheid> Schism would go first, try to poison the enemy. Right-most enemy would get poisoned. Tirek would use Low Blow on the left-most enemy, and bind the legs. Then Dreamer would use Hailstorm and kill everything in one shot anyways.
01:07 <Cepheid> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mpPKbiVsa8 *Every 3 steps*
01:11 <Cepheid> Right, the EXP gained by the guild is approximately 1/N of the total EXP the party gets, where N is the number of members in the party, it looks like.
01:11 <Cepheid> Steve went from level 13 to level 22 in the period I checked on the guild.
01:15 <Cepheid> I should "retire" Dreamer, get the bonus points for him being at level 70, respec his skills towards the all-monsters elemental spells, then deck him out in as much TP-growth gear as possible.
01:23 <Cepheid> Well, let's see. Where would it leave Dreamer, level-wise?
01:25 <Cepheid> Ah, level 30.
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01:28 <Cepheid> Stat-wise, for gear, I have the Divine Orb, +150 TP. Soul Crown at +30 TP. That's it for gear that can boost TP. So I can currently get a caster +180 TP
01:28 * DashedRainbows sniffs PinkieShy and wags her tail
01:28 * Cepheid checks conditionals list.
01:34 <Cepheid> Hum, how does that effect work..?
01:36 <Cepheid> ... I see absolutely no effect.
01:37 <Cepheid> Oh. You need to upgrade the weapon.
01:37 <Cepheid> Tier 2 TP Up can get +30, for a grand total of +210 on a warlock, if I'm willing to sacrifice some MATK and INT.
01:38 <Cepheid> Hilarious. The best tier isn't even on a weapon a warlock can use.
01:43 <Cepheid> Well, Tim's decked out for helping with status ailments. Guess I'll send him down that road.
01:49 * Cepheid remakes Dreamer. As a joke, gives him the appearance that closely approximates Kirito.
02:01 <Cepheid> Right, all 3 elemental skills maxed out. Currently sitting at 338 TP with gear. Not bad, could be better. It'll get better with the TP growth of species.
02:01 <Cepheid> Level 30 means that I get 39 more points to spend, too. Let's see..
02:03 <Cepheid> Hmm. Cutting Costs can reduce the cost of a spell to 0, randomly. Not sure how high the chance is.
02:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1790 [ http://tinyurl.com/y5f8beo4 ]
02:04 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, there's a second skill, Abating Chant, which, at max level, reduces the cost of the next spell by 25, while reducing the damage a bit.
02:04 <Schism> I'd bet Cutting Costs is a straight 1% per level.
02:04 <Cepheid> Chants require a turn to go by though, unless Quick Chant is picked up, which lets a user utilize a chant and a spell in the same turn.
02:05 <Cepheid> So I could cut off a grand total of 20(25 - 5 for the cost of the chant), which is half that of the hi-tier spells.
02:05 <Schism> At the expense of other chants, which might be more situationally valuable.
02:06 <Cepheid> Eeehhh..
02:06 <PinkieShy> ew.. :/
02:06 <Cepheid> Focus Chant increases damage, but makes the spell single-target.
02:06 <Schism> Heh, not really too many useful other ones, I take it.
02:06 <PinkieShy> Just saw a YT video labeled "Cheapest mom"
02:06 <Schism> "Yeah, we can't really figure out what 'The Three' might stand for. That's not asking us to look for a needle in a haystack. You're asking us to look for a needle in a needle stack, and unlike the original Gordian solution, we don't know what this needle's made of." "Wait, the Gordian solution?" "Determine if it's ferrous or not, then use a magnet."
02:07 <PinkieShy> and it talks how a woman.. buys a cup of coffee every monday and only takes a few sips of it, refridges it, next day another sip and so fourth..
02:07 <PinkieShy> that's.. nasty.. and can't be healthy at all lol
02:07 <Schism> Worse yet, a $2 cup of coffee is the quarter of a price of a big tin of grounds, which can be used for coffee all throughout the month.
02:08 <Schism> ... Well, maybe that's not worse by most metrics, but I mean, c'mon.
02:09 <Cepheid> Only one way to determine which effect might be better.
02:09 <Cepheid> Apply Cutting Costs, see how often it proc.
02:09 <Cepheid> Er, procs*
02:09 <Schism> Mm. I'm pretty sure it'll be 1% per level, but maybe it'll be 2% instead. How far down the tree is it?
02:10 <Cepheid> At the end, literally the next accessible skill.
02:10 <Schism> Okay, and its max level is 5 or 10?
02:10 <Cepheid> 10.
02:10 <Schism> Mmn. It's ATLUS, of course. They might just make it 1.5% per level.
02:10 <Cepheid> Wost case, I delevel by 2 levels.
02:11 <Cepheid> In all it doesn't hurt to check.
02:13 <Schism> Ah, the joyous balancing act of the skill tree.
02:13 <Schism> Then again, maybe I'm giving them too little credit, and as it's the ultimate skill on the tree, it's actually significantly better than most.
02:14 <Cepheid> This is the same Atlus that gave the EON guild access to the Imperial class.
02:14 <Cepheid> Not as bad as the Necromancer and their Wraiths, but those characters dish out thousands of damage.
02:15 <Schism> Don't have the context there. Rival team?
02:15 <Cepheid> Nah
02:16 <Cepheid> The Imperial is a class that utilizes swords that are provided further power via freakin' jet engines on the blade.
02:16 <Cepheid> With the right set of skills, you can hit 5000+ damage in a single strike with one.
02:16 <Cepheid> Against a superboss.
02:16 <Schism> Ah, I seem to recall that being the solution to said superboss, too.
02:17 <Cepheid> For me, yeah.
02:20 <Cepheid> Currently, Tim and Schism synergize well. Tim weakenes bind/ailment resistances, Schism follows with poison.
02:21 <Schism> Pretty classic mix there, from a tabletop gaming standpoint.
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02:52 <Cepheid> It's not 325,000. It's 375,000.
02:52 <Cepheid> And I return with an average of ~10k a run.
03:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Open My Little Pony Art Compilation (All Skill Levels Welcome) #20 [ http://tinyurl.com/yyk2fmj2 ]
03:10 <Cepheid> Peelz be kickin in. Should probably bread to sweep.
03:12 * Ali sweeps Cepheid off to bread
03:12 <Ali> Rye, Wheat, or White?
03:12 <Cyan_Spark> A li pon
03:12 * Ali boops Cyan_Spark
03:12 * Cyan_Spark scrunch. Boops Ali back!
03:12 * Ali flails
03:14 * Cyan_Spark holds Ali steady with both forehooves
03:15 * Ali squeaks at Cyan_Spark
03:15 * Cyan_Spark smiles
04:00 <DashedRainbows> poni? poneh
04:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Fanfic OST Album: Noc Lupus - Empty Horizons Original Audiobook Soundtrack [ http://tinyurl.com/y5q7lcaw ]
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04:34 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
04:34 * DashedRainbows sniffs ConfusionRift and chews on his hooves
04:35 * ConfusionRift lightly pets DashedRainbows. :P
04:36 * DashedRainbows playfully gnaws on her toy instead
04:36 * ConfusionRift lays down, is very tired.
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04:55 <ConfusionRift> It's fine, I'm just tired from work. It's been... urgh. (pets DashedRainbows, she can continue gnawing her toy) :P
05:09 * DashedRainbows offers her toy and curls up to sleep
05:09 <ConfusionRift> Have a good one.
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06:09 <ConfusionRift> Why would an eel drop wing bones?!
06:33 <RazorSharpFang> Who says eels don't have wings?
06:33 <ConfusionRift> 0_0
06:33 * ConfusionRift sits down and thinks about this.
06:34 <RazorSharpFang> "wing" can just mean "side of" remember?
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06:37 <ConfusionRift> But why would they? There are flying enemies. Those should be dropping wing bones, not these eel things. Then again, they might just have wings instead of fins, because... RPG!
06:38 <Golden> I beat NitW for my first play through
06:40 <ConfusionRift> I still haven't. -_- Blarg.
06:41 <Golden> The only thing the band practice minigames change are drawings so you can just play badly.
06:42 * Ali headtilts
06:42 <Golden> Talking about the game Night in the Woods.
06:43 <ConfusionRift> "I played for them..." | Heh, cute. | (after practice) "...and I sucked at it." | ...whoops.
06:44 <Golden> Then were are you stuck at?
06:44 <ConfusionRift> I'm not stuck. It's just on hiatus.
06:44 <ConfusionRift> I have a bunch other games on queue, that one being part of it.
06:45 <Golden> If you are before the harfest thing then you'll love the practice minigame called "pumpkin head guy"
06:52 <ConfusionRift> I think I'm not there yet.
06:54 <Golden> Hehehe look up the song
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07:00 <ConfusionRift> Hehehe, not bad.
07:01 <ConfusionRift> Why does it sound so- | (someone points at the laptop) | I completely forgot about that. :P
07:02 <Golden> And it is a mandatory band practice song
07:03 <ConfusionRift> Yaaaayyyyy...
07:05 <Golden> Yeah I just powered through it, and sucked
07:06 <ConfusionRift> Still, gonna have to deal with the band stuff at some point. I just hope with the new rig there are no delays.
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07:06 <Golden> Test it out. Remember you can ppay the songs in Mae's room a couple times a day
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07:17 <ConfusionRift> Guh, this song is a bit of a whiplash. It starts kind of depressing or sinister, and then it get all peppy and industrial.
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07:23 <Golden> That is why I just play Weird Autumn when ever I play Mae's bass
07:26 <ConfusionRift> Oh wait, sorry. Was referring to a song in Ni Nu Kuni 2. One of the games I'm trying to removed from queue.
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07:27 <Golden> Oh
07:33 <ConfusionRift> Heh, can't find the song on YouTube. Oh well.
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08:02 <Golden> Imma call it a night. Cya guys
08:03 * DashedRainbows stretches and chews on a random horsey's hooves
08:03 <ConfusionRift> Have a good one!
08:11 <Moongoodgirl> Ooh NitW :D
08:11 <Moongoodgirl> Mandopony did lyrics covers of some of the band songs x3
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08:19 <Schism> ConfusionRift: "Wait, where are my glasses?" [2 minutes later] "What was I talking about last night? Oh right, strange loops. Wait, where are my glasses again?" [2 MORE minutes later] "I'm seriously wondering where my spectacles are." [5 minutes later] "Oh, here, right where I left them."
08:20 <Schism> This is how I've woken up for the past three days.
08:20 <Schism> I think this is how getting old feels.
08:21 <ConfusionRift> I have been doing that for some time as well, especially at work.
08:21 <Schism> At least we're getting old together.
08:23 <ConfusionRift> Let's say that RPGs have been a mess when it comes to micromanagement because of it.
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08:30 <ConfusionRift> Then again, I constantly keep my thoughts above head level. It helps me go through the day.
08:37 <Schism> I need to practice exactly that. It seems necessary for stability, something I'm lacking.
08:40 <ConfusionRift> It's not exactly a good idea, but helps me. It kinda develops this tunnel vision or single focus, so if micromanagement if the major thing, then it might not be a good idea.
08:41 <Schism> There's the counterpoint, though: without looking at the forest, you get caught up in the trees /way/ too often.
08:42 <Schism> But taken to excess, you look at the big picture to the exclusion of the details...
08:50 * Schism frowns. "At some point, Wilson's Rule is going to make itself known again. Probably at the worst possible time and in the most unpleasant way."
08:51 <Schism> Any large-scale project tends towards an orderly bias when it's at its most chaotic, and a chaotic bias when it's at its most orderly.
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08:57 <Schism> "... oh dear sweet Faust, Discord's halfway sane. What did you do?" "Served him a glass of distilled water." "...pass me the same, that almost makes sense."
09:10 <ADragonDreaming> hate being sick
09:17 * Schism hugs the Adra. "Yeah. Know what you've got?"
09:18 <Schism> I've... been reading 'Splendid Solution', a book about Salk and the polio vaccine, and I am so very, very glad that we live in THIS time.
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09:42 <ADragonDreaming> a cold
09:43 <ADragonDreaming> or something like that
09:43 <ADragonDreaming> oddly not congested, but have sore throat from coughing
09:43 <Schism> Hmm. Got any honey and lemon and hot water?
09:43 <ADragonDreaming> body keeps kicking me to bed at 9 pm and then I wake up with dry dry dry throat
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09:44 <Schism> This sounds kind of ridiculous, but have you changed your pillowcase?
09:46 <ConfusionRift> Dry throat... might be from coughing, or probably have been sleeping with your mouth open. Then again, that's more akin to a heavy congestion.
09:47 <ConfusionRift> Really cold/hot environments can cause this.
09:48 <ADragonDreaming> Schism: pillowcase was recently washed
09:48 <ADragonDreaming> also, drier-than-normal throat.
09:48 <ADragonDreaming> probably from coughing, which might then leave the mouth open
09:49 <Schism> Alrighty. Also, that could do it, yeah... ._O
10:04 * Schism splorfs. "Someone on the CoH servers made a character named 'Toxoplasmosis Gondii', a catgirl."
10:11 <ConfusionRift> Heh.
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10:26 <ConfusionRift> Heh, that's funny. Someone playing Super Mario Galaxy as Luigi, and they made it seem like Luigi is there to fix what Mario messed with.
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10:35 <ADragonDreaming> hmmmm
10:36 <ADragonDreaming> this modded version of skyrim, with this particular character, I can load autosaves and quicksaves, it seems, but if I try to load a manual save it crashes. weird.
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10:53 <ConfusionRift> Sleep time!
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11:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1562 [ http://tinyurl.com/y6p7wyuc ]
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11:38 <Schism> Fooo... this character design WORKS, but is also very dark.
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11:41 <ADragonDreaming> what character design?
11:44 <Schism> Oh, a CoH character.
11:44 <Schism> ... Adra, you know that CoH is back, I trust.
11:45 <ADragonDreaming> City of Heroes?
11:45 <Schism> Yes.
11:45 <ADragonDreaming> I read about the private server and the fears of C&D and such on TechDirt.
11:45 <Schism> No such fears currently exist, thankfully.
11:46 <ADragonDreaming> yeah, apparently since the official version is dead the "owners" of it are being cool
11:48 <Schism> Basically, yeah.
11:58 <ADragonDreaming> There's a Skyrim mod called Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim. It dramatically reworks all the perks of all the skill trees. Leading to new playstyles.
11:59 <ADragonDreaming> For example, under the Light Armor tree, there's a lines of perks that dramatically boosts the power of unarmed attacks, making being a brawler viable.
12:02 <ADragonDreaming> And there's a perk under the Heavy Armor line: If wearing all Heavy Armor, walking (but not running) towards living enemies may break their confidence, causing them to flee for 8 seconds.
12:02 <ADragonDreaming> So you can do the terrifying power walk.
12:35 * Moongoodgirl blinks at the topic.
12:35 <Moongoodgirl> Wait, are we still under spoiler ban?
12:51 <Schism> Okay, I'm the worst. I present to you: Lemon Morraine, the Earth/Lightning Brute. https://i.imgur.com/zdWuN8F.png
12:53 <ADragonDreaming> Lemon Meringue?
12:53 <Schism> No, /morraine./ Look it up.
12:54 <Schism> (It's terrible, it's a pun, and I make very few apologies...)
12:54 <ADragonDreaming> I'm finding moraine, the sediment at the leading edge of a glacier
12:54 <Schism> Precisely.
12:54 <ADragonDreaming> So he's the yellow snow?
12:55 <Schism> Just don't call 'im yellow.
12:55 <Schism> Even if he patently is.
12:55 <Schism> Very acidulous, he is.
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12:59 <ADragonDreaming_> Malkoran did not enjoy getting hit with chain lightning and fireballs.
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13:51 <ADragonDreaming> water breaks pathing of NPCs, it seems.
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15:32 <Cepheid> So, an old habit of mine has resurfaced after 22 years.
15:33 <Cepheid> Goes something like "See, I just completely disassembled my old macbook pro from 2011 or so. Like. Into it's individual components."
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15:36 <Cepheid> So yeah, among other things now, I have an LCD screen I can just use for whatever, a slim-line CD drive with an interface I don't recognize, and a system board I can't use.
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15:38 <RazorSharpFang> I've always wondered how best to recycle computer boards and the like.
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15:41 <Cepheid> Depends on the type.
15:41 <Cepheid> Laptops are pretty much unrecyclable. You can sell components, and *MAYBE* get lucky.
15:41 <Cepheid> PC stuff?
15:41 <Cepheid> Well, that reminds me that I *STILL* have to package it all up and send it off.
15:42 <Cepheid> ADragonDreaming's the lucky winner of "getting all my old **** because I don't need it anymore." contest.
15:43 <RazorSharpFang> Cepheid, I mean... at some point, you could grind it up into powder, and centrifuge-sort by density, everything metallic can be melted in an induction furnace and sorted from there, but what remains?
15:44 <Cepheid> That kinda recycling is possible, yeah.
15:44 <Cepheid> Usually though, they don't grind it.
15:44 <Stormspark> Non-indie games coming out that are decent are rare as hell these days...my laptop will probably last me several more years at least
15:44 <Cepheid> From what I understand of the recycling plants in third-world countries, they disassemble the boards piece by piece, and separate them based on what they're made of.
15:45 <Stormspark> the entire "AAA" industry is in the toilet now, pretty much all new games are trash
15:45 <RazorSharpFang> Diodes, LEDs, capacitors, etc
15:45 <Cepheid> Stormspark, the issue here is the keyboard's FUBARed, the battery exploded a while back, and I lost the power adapter for it.
15:45 <Stormspark> ah
15:45 <Stormspark> yeah I dunno if that would be worth anything either
15:46 <RazorSharpFang> Stormspark, you're not a fan of Epic Game's stuff neither?
15:46 <Stormspark> I have Epic and Acitvision/Blizzard on total boycott
15:46 <Stormspark> and any series that goes Epic exclusive I will completely abandon and never touch again
15:46 <Cepheid> The screen panel might be usable, depending on the interface and if I can find a driver for it.
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15:47 <RazorSharpFang> Stormspark, does that also count companies who have their games on the Epic store, but are also available on steam?
15:47 <Cepheid> Of course there's the issue of proprietary connectors.
15:47 <RazorSharpFang> If you're good with a soldering iron, you could change the connector.
15:48 <Stormspark> if they don't go epic exclusive and I can get them on steam (or GOG or whatever) then that doesn't count no
15:48 <Cepheid> There's that yeah.
15:48 <Cepheid> There's the touchpad.
15:48 <RazorSharpFang> Stormspark, incidentally, I can understand Epic for their exclusivity deals, but why the hate for Act/Bliz ?
15:49 <Cepheid> This touchpad's weird. I can't tell if this screw broke at the thread, or not.
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15:49 <Stormspark> they are pretty much the worst company, they make EA and Konami look like saints
15:49 <Stormspark> although actually I won't buy anything from either of those two either, but they haven't made anything worth buyign
15:49 <Cepheid> Surface looks too clean for it to have been a thread break, but at the same time, on the touchpad, I see remnants of a screw.
15:49 <RazorSharpFang> Last activision game I bought was Guitar Hero, incidentally.
15:50 <Stormspark> Blizzard doesn't make good games anymore anyway
15:50 <Stormspark> they are all about lazy cash grabs with zero QA and quality
15:50 <RazorSharpFang> Not a fan of Hearthstone nor Overwatch?
15:50 <Stormspark> they are all about lazy cash grabs with zero QA, made as cheaply as possible
15:50 <Stormspark> Hearthstone is actually ok as far as card games are concerned, not my thing really
15:50 <Stormspark> Overwatch is a generic clone of a concept that's not fun anyway
15:50 <Cepheid> Oh the Steam, EGS, Origin and the other stores, I have nothing to say about the whole fiasco that hasn't already been said, or isn't worth saying because I don't have sources to back up anything I say.
15:51 <Cepheid> Anyways, in regards to the slimline drive..
15:51 <Cepheid> It uses what looks like a SATA connector, but..
15:51 <Cepheid> The power connector's different by far.
15:51 <Cepheid> Assuming I don't have the connectors mixed up. Let's see..
15:51 <Stormspark> oh and did you know. To attend Blizzcon, you HAVE to have a phone, and you have to install an extreme spyware app that collects all your personal, SSN, billing, bank, etc information (if you don't they won't let you in)
15:51 <Stormspark> it's really really messed up
15:51 <Stormspark> Not that I'd even consider Blizzcon anyway, after last year's they would be lucky to get any attendees at all
15:52 <RazorSharpFang> Hrmm, how the great have fallen.
15:52 <Cepheid> Ah, yeah. It's SATA. Or SAS. Not sure. Apple's been weird on the hard drive front.
15:52 <Cepheid> They like to use different controllers.
15:52 <Cepheid> SCSI instead of IDE, SAS instead of SATA.
15:52 <Stormspark> yeah, Blizzard is dead. They've lost something like 15% of their customer base in Q1 2019, hehe. All their games are plummeting
15:52 <Stormspark> It's time for them to be taken behind the barn and put out of their misery
15:53 <Stormspark> I hope Activision just shuts them down
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15:53 <RazorSharpFang> Last I heard is that they stopped putting player numbers in their quarterly report because it dipped too low.
15:53 <Cepheid> No offense, but hopes like that are mean-spirited, depending on how you want to look at it.
15:53 <Stormspark> yep
15:54 <RazorSharpFang> It'd be better to have a de-merger, lest Activision kills like EA likes to.
15:54 <Cepheid> There are a bunch of people who work for these companies. They may not agree with the practices of those higher up, but to them, a job is a job, and in the US market, it's even more important to maintain your job.
15:54 <Cepheid> Wishing to see a company close would mean putting those people out of work.
15:54 <Cepheid> 's Not right./
15:54 <Cepheid> I think I can use this drive. Not that I'd ever want to.
15:54 <Stormspark> unfortunately, most of the company is PERSONALLY owned by Activision's CEO
15:55 <Cepheid> It's a slim-line drive. No functional use given I already have a BD-R drive.
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15:55 <RazorSharpFang> What? Is Activision not a public corporation delineated by shares traded on the exchange?
15:55 <Stormspark> yep
15:55 <Stormspark> guess who owns most of the shares
15:55 <RazorSharpFang> Oh
15:55 <Stormspark> not all, but controlling interest
15:55 <Stormspark> ever since they bought themselves out from under Vivendi...that's how it was done
15:57 <Cepheid> Just because all the interests are owned by one person doesn't mean that those interests are devoted to that one person.
15:57 <Cepheid> That's usually why **** keeps getting out.
15:57 <RazorSharpFang> If their ordinary shares, if they own more than 50% of the share, they can swing the vote however they wish.
15:58 <Cepheid> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#/media/File:SATA_connector_Slimline_CD-ROM.jpg Yeah, this is what I've got, a slim power connector.
15:58 <Cepheid> I wonder if the drive even works.
15:58 <Stormspark> I uninstalled EVERYTHING Blizzard from every device I own back in early November. All games, launcher, everything
15:58 <Cepheid> Unfortunately, I don't have any cables to test.
15:59 <RazorSharpFang> Stormspark, incidentally, are there any indie companies you're paying attention to? Any worth looking into?
15:59 <Stormspark> even the launcher will show you to an extent as an active user, even if you don't have any games installed, and I don't want to cause them any benefit
15:59 <Stormspark> hm, with indies I usually look at the games themselves rather than the companies. But the Ori and the Blind Forest sequel looks like it will be quite good if it comes to Steam or any platform other than the windows store
15:59 <Stormspark> I will not buy anything from the windows store either
16:00 <Stormspark> it may come to the switch too along with the original, I would get it there too
16:00 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, my game, will be available through my website for free. I'll distribute it on Steam and such, but I won't be asking money.
16:00 <Cepheid> If you want to give me money for it, there'll be a donation bin.
16:00 <RazorSharpFang> Well, say, you might have enjoyed multiple games by the same developer, and then say "These guys are good game devs"
16:01 <Stormspark> Moon Studios is one to watch (the ones behind Ori and the Blind Forest)
16:01 <Stormspark> I don't have many indie games with multiple by the same developer (at least, not yet)
16:03 <RazorSharpFang> Do you consider From Software to be indie?
16:03 <Stormspark> they are more AA
16:03 <Stormspark> there are some good AA games
16:03 <Stormspark> Hellblade is a great example too
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16:04 <RazorSharpFang> Ah, so the AA market is a lot more promising than the AAA market then?
16:04 <Stormspark> indie and mid-tier games are the best ones to watch. Anything coming out of a major publisher for the forseeable future is either going to be garbage or a mobile cashgrab
16:04 <Stormspark> yeah definitely
16:04 <Stormspark> the AAA market isn't even worth looking at anymore
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16:05 <Cepheid> Huh, both drives I have here, my BD-R and this Super Multi drive, are made by the same company.
16:05 <Cepheid> BD-R drive is superior though by far, even if it's discontinued.
16:05 <RazorSharpFang> Stormspark, do you think nothing Nintendo's done is any good either?
16:07 <Stormspark> It's better to consider Nintendo mid-tier now
16:07 <Stormspark> but yes they've put out a lot of good stuff
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16:07 <RazorSharpFang> mid-tier? Are Nintendo not AAA?
16:07 <Stormspark> they abandoned the whole 'AAA" thing
16:07 <Stormspark> not really, not in their development philosophy
16:07 <RazorSharpFang> How is Nintendo not AAA?
16:07 <ADragonDreaming> first: define AAA
16:07 <Stormspark> because they don't pump obscene amounts of money into cash grab games
16:07 <Stormspark> they can make much better games with much lower budgets
16:08 <RazorSharpFang> Is the AAA rating really only about budget?
16:08 <ADragonDreaming> see? gotta define AAA.
16:10 <Stormspark> Nintendo is basically doing its own thing now
16:10 <Stormspark> they always have to an extent
16:10 <ADragonDreaming> They always have.
16:10 <Stormspark> but yes Nintendo is still worth watching alos
16:10 <Stormspark> but yes Nintendo is still worth watching also
16:10 <ADragonDreaming> This also includes exerting ridiculous levels of control.
16:10 <Stormspark> but less over time
16:10 <RazorSharpFang> Nintendo exerts ridiculous levels of control over the games published on their platform?
16:11 <ADragonDreaming> you've heard about the recent crackdown on rom sites?
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16:12 <ADragonDreaming> there's also the history of what they would allow third parties to do with cartridges - like gold color was only allowed for Nintendo-made games.
16:12 <Stormspark> yeah, they are a lot better about that now
16:12 <Stormspark> keep in mind some of that was necessary after the 1983 crash in the US
16:12 <ADragonDreaming> and then there is this: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190423/09433642068/nintendo-slays-threat-modded-nintendo-games-commodore-64.shtml
16:13 <ADragonDreaming> the TL;DR is - someone managed to port the original super mario bros to the commodore 64
16:13 <ADragonDreaming> so of course Nintendo tries to kill all news of this.
16:14 <ADragonDreaming> because the commodore 64 is such a threat to the switch.
16:16 <RazorSharpFang> Legal might have thought that it could be problematic for trademark reasons. (Don't defend a trademark? You lose it)
16:16 <ADragonDreaming> That's not true.
16:16 <ADragonDreaming> or at least, not applicable in this case.
16:17 <ADragonDreaming> trademark law is not such that something of this nature would invalidate Nintendo's trademarks as regards the mario franchise.
16:17 <RazorSharpFang> No? Isn't Mario, his appearance, his (trademark) suit, the name of the game (Super mario) all trademarks?
16:18 <RazorSharpFang> That'd be up to the judge on a potential case.
16:19 <ADragonDreaming> to put it simply
16:19 <ADragonDreaming> it would first have to be taken to court, which will not occur in this case
16:19 <ADragonDreaming> second, the wealth of evidence of current usage by Nintendo with current systems etc. would indicate they are still actively using
16:20 <RazorSharpFang> To invalidate the trademark you have to only demonstrate failure to enforce infringements.
16:20 <ADragonDreaming> third, this isn't a case of someone creating a new product under the mario name, but porting an old product to a different system
16:20 <ADragonDreaming> Pretty sure you need more than that.
16:21 <RazorSharpFang> I'm sure you'd need more than that, but judge rulings have baffled me before.
16:21 <Cepheid> I actually wonder how many people at Nintendo actually agree with the legal response.
16:21 <Cepheid> Legal is it's own department, it's pretty much autonomous.
16:21 <RazorSharpFang> Japan's corporate culture is really different too.
16:22 <ADragonDreaming> this particular instance is not enough to invalidate the trademark
16:22 <RazorSharpFang> Probably not, but it could contribute.
16:22 <ADragonDreaming> also, it's simple enough to avoid problems with that without shutting things down.
16:22 <RazorSharpFang> Legal is not known for being nuanced.
16:22 <Cepheid> Geezus, this keyboard is screwed in with small screws.
16:22 <ADragonDreaming> This is not a good thing.
16:22 <ADragonDreaming> nor a valid excuse.
16:23 <Cepheid> Like, hundreds of 'em.
16:23 <ADragonDreaming> a simple, exceedingly cheap, if not free special-purpose license is not hard.
16:23 <RazorSharpFang> I don't think the corporate culture would permit such a thing.
16:24 <ADragonDreaming> which is bad.
16:24 <ADragonDreaming> that statement is exactly the problem
16:24 <Cepheid> My kingdom for a phillips screwdriver that is flat, rather than pointed.
16:24 <RazorSharpFang> Cepheid, if you're careful with a grinder, you could get that wish.
16:24 <ADragonDreaming> ownership culture needs t odie
16:25 <RazorSharpFang> Nintendo is very very touchy with their intellectual property,
16:25 <ADragonDreaming> yes. It's a problem.
16:25 <ADragonDreaming> (not that intellectual property is a concept that should exist)
16:25 <RazorSharpFang> They are granted the right to be touchy under national and international law regarding intellectual property.
16:25 <ADragonDreaming> they are granted the privilege.
16:26 <Cepheid> It's fine. Found a screwdriver that works.
16:26 <RazorSharpFang> How is it a privilege and not a right?
16:26 <ADragonDreaming> and those laws need to be changed.
16:27 <Cepheid> I apologize for intermixing unrelated stuff into your conversation.
16:27 <ADragonDreaming> people have a right to culture, yes? Does a corporation have the right to lock down culture, or is this a privilege that they are accorded under certain circumstances?
16:27 <RazorSharpFang> I don't think specific corporate characters and caricatures constitute culture.
16:27 <RazorSharpFang> Wow that is an awful sentence to try and say
16:27 <ADragonDreaming> video games are totally a part of culture.
16:28 <ADragonDreaming> same as music, movies, art, books
16:28 <RazorSharpFang> Video games yes, but I don't think specific characters are.
16:28 <RazorSharpFang> The whole is more than the part.
16:28 <ADragonDreaming> perhaps, but that's aside the point
16:29 <ADragonDreaming> parody is protected, yes?
16:29 <RazorSharpFang> Me, I too think copyright, trademark, AND patent law all need reforms myself.
16:29 <RazorSharpFang> We might instead disagree on what we think is good reforms.
16:29 <Cepheid> Razor, many in Japan would disagree with your "I don't think specific corporate characters and caricatures constitute culture." comment.
16:29 <ADragonDreaming> maybe
16:29 <Cepheid> Hatsune Miku, Hello Kitty, and a number of other examples spring to mind.
16:29 <ADragonDreaming> my point is more that Nintendo's attitude and actions are problematic.
16:29 <Cepheid> These are distinctly Japanese, and I *KNOW* they are proud of them.
16:29 <RazorSharpFang> Hmm.
16:30 <Cepheid> Doraemon.
16:30 <ADragonDreaming> Sony is too. Most corporations, really.
16:30 <Cepheid> My professor for Japanese was particular in sharing all these characters especially.
16:30 <Cepheid> She used a lot of them in her slides.
16:30 <RazorSharpFang> ADragonDreaming, is there anything specific in the legislation (thinking about US copyright law including DMCA) that you would change that you think would address this?
16:30 <ADragonDreaming> Copyright terms revert to 28 years from date of publication. period.
16:30 <RazorSharpFang> Heh, I was thinking of 20 years myself. :3
16:30 <ADragonDreaming> 28 was a figure it used to be at
16:31 <ADragonDreaming> I'd prefer 14, but 28 would probably be easier to get over since it has precedent.
16:31 <ADragonDreaming> remakes don't renew copyright.
16:32 <ADragonDreaming> second, no action can be taken based on a mere accusation.
16:32 <RazorSharpFang> That'd fly in the face of DMCA.
16:32 <ADragonDreaming> Exactly.
16:32 <RazorSharpFang> Okay, but the DMCA is also what gives youtube protection from content uploaded TO it.
16:32 <RazorSharpFang> You'd have to include similar protections of safe harbour.
16:33 <ADragonDreaming> I said no action.
16:33 <ADragonDreaming> I meant no action.
16:33 <ADragonDreaming> And there's already precedent for platform protection in CDA 230
16:34 <ADragonDreaming> (which basically says you can't sue Twitter for something somebody used it to say)
16:34 <RazorSharpFang> Okay, suppose someone uploads the entirety of an episode of a currently-streaming episode of a tv show to youtube. The copyright owner rightfully wants to take it down. What's the process?
16:34 <ADragonDreaming> Court order.
16:35 <RazorSharpFang> A court order? That's going to be overly restrictive for smaller channels who're getting taken advantage of.
16:35 <ADragonDreaming> That's the same argument that lead to the DMCA.
16:36 <ADragonDreaming> Court order is the safest method to avoid the problems we have now.
16:36 <RazorSharpFang> You can have something similar to the DMCA that doesn't demand immediate action.
16:36 <Cepheid> Hum, what's holding you in place there, plastic little piece..?
16:36 <ADragonDreaming> does it require action based only on an accusation?
16:36 <ADragonDreaming> or does it require proof that it's legitimate infringement?
16:36 <ADragonDreaming> on whom is the burden of proof?
16:37 <Cepheid> Ah. Just excessive stickiness.
16:37 <ADragonDreaming> what's the method for determining that it's proof?
16:37 <RazorSharpFang> You can't prove that you made a piece of work, but you also can't prove that someone didn't make a piece of work either, no?
16:38 <ADragonDreaming> I reiterate my previous questiosn.
16:39 <RazorSharpFang> Well, that depends. Would you consider payments withholding to be "action"? i.e.: "That video is mine, the earnings should be mine" "Oh? I'll hold onto these while you get a court order."
16:39 <ADragonDreaming> Yes.
16:39 <ADragonDreaming> It's far too easy to abuse even that.
16:40 <ADragonDreaming> The same small channels you are concerned about can easily be destroyed by a few weeks of payments withholding.
16:40 <RazorSharpFang> I don't think you can make a legislative framework that lets people quickly take down other's works without being a tool benefiting abusers.
16:41 <ADragonDreaming> exactly.
16:41 <ADragonDreaming> so don't.
16:41 <RazorSharpFang> Well, you and I know that the hollywood lobbyists would never permit such radical reforms.
16:42 <ADragonDreaming> If they don't want to be eaten...
16:43 <RazorSharpFang> The fundamental issue is entangled with a lot of other issues that you'd have to do major reworks in the underlying political structure.
16:43 <ADragonDreaming> Yes.
16:44 <RazorSharpFang> It'd be nice if you could do it without literally destroying the US and/or killing a lot of people.
16:44 <ADragonDreaming> It's possible to argue that both of those things are happening now.
16:45 <RazorSharpFang> Maybe, if it's true than eventually it'll be obvious and undeniable.
16:45 <ADragonDreaming> but doing so would be beyond the scope of this channel's acceptable topics.
16:46 <Cepheid> Salvaged next part. Non-functional keyboard.
16:46 <ADragonDreaming> taking a keyboard apart, Cepheid?
16:46 <Cepheid> Let's take a closer look at it and see why it doesn't function. If I recall, there was some burn damage.
16:46 <Cepheid> Nah.
16:46 <Cepheid> Old Macbook Pro.
16:46 <Cepheid> From 2011.
16:46 <ADragonDreaming> ah.
16:46 <Cepheid> Battery's gone, power adapter's missing, and the keyboard's FUBARed, so I salvaged it.
16:46 <ADragonDreaming> apparently the keyboards for macbooks are prone to failure
16:47 <Cepheid> Most useful components I got out of it thus far are the system board, the optical disc drive, a fan, and the screen.
16:47 <Cepheid> If I can find a driver for the screen, or if it's using something like LVDS, I can just hook it up and use it as an external display.
16:47 <Cepheid> Optical disc drive is usable, but then... why?
16:47 <Cepheid> It's slower than what I got.
16:47 <Cepheid> Might as well just hook it up as an external USB-driven optical disc drive.
16:47 <RazorSharpFang> You could pull it apart for its neodynnium magnets
16:48 <Stormspark> mmm...neodymium
16:53 <Cepheid> Oh, and I also got 4GB of DDR3-8500 ram.
16:55 <Stormspark> wait what?
16:55 <Stormspark> DDR3 is in the 1600 range
16:55 <Stormspark> even DDR4 only goes up to 3200-3600
16:55 <Cepheid> There's two naming conventions for RAM.
16:56 <Cepheid> You'll see it written as PC[X]-[YYYY] where [X] is usually the generation, so nothing(DDR), 2, 3 or 4. Then a speed that's much higher than the numbers we are more familiar with.
16:58 <Stormspark> ah
17:00 <Cepheid> From what I recall, and what research tells me..
17:00 <Cepheid> One's the bus rate, the other's the peak transfer rate.
17:00 <Cepheid> No, one's the DATA rate, the other's the peak transfer rate.
17:00 <Cepheid> So, DDR3-2133 has a data rate of 2133 MT/s.
17:01 <Cepheid> While it's module name and peak transfer rate is PC3-17000, or 17066 MB/s.
17:01 <Cepheid> So this stuff's kinda on the slow side. DDR3-1066.
17:02 <Cepheid> Case in point, my current laptop is using DDR3-1600.
17:03 <Cepheid> According to this, I should have two more slots in this laptop. If I really wanted to, I could add an extra 4GB, probably. Depends on the type of module. Laptop RAM is funky with designs.
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17:04 <Cepheid> Looks like it's SODIMM, and these modules are SODIMM.
17:04 <RazorSharpFang> Sodium.
17:05 <Cepheid> RIght then, keyboard.
17:05 <Cepheid> Let's see how far I can disassemble it.
17:06 <Cepheid> ...
17:06 <Cepheid> This thing is held together somehow, but I can't figure it out.
17:07 <Cepheid> Well, the keyboard's fubared, so let's just manhandle it.
17:08 * Cepheid watches plastic bits fly everywhere.
17:09 <RazorSharpFang> Sledgehammer it.
17:11 <Cepheid> *Key goes flying, hears it land and click once on something, but then silence after.* ...
17:11 <Cepheid> I'll leave my cat to find that.
17:12 <Cepheid> I'll want to find it though, I'd like to keep the keycaps.
17:12 <RazorSharpFang> You could attach fridge magnets to it for the fridge.
17:12 <RazorSharpFang> Then you can spell out phrases that don't use the same letter twice.
17:12 <Cepheid> Heh. :P
17:12 <RazorSharpFang> "Eggs buy thnx"
17:13 <Cepheid> I was thinking more attach 'em somehow to a custom keyboard. For the nostalgia.
17:13 <Cepheid> One of them days I'm glad I have womanly fingernails.
17:14 <RazorSharpFang> Do you mean long?
17:15 <Cepheid> Yes.
17:15 <Cepheid> Ah, okay, so that's how that sheet's held in place.
17:15 <Cepheid> No wonder it wouldn't come loose. It's held in by the latches.
17:16 <Cepheid> Damned things are held on weird.
17:19 <Cepheid> Geezus.
17:19 <Cepheid> My hands are bleeding!
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17:21 <Cepheid> Anyhow, let's see..
17:21 <Cepheid> Got the circuit sheet here.
17:21 <Cepheid> ... And yep.
17:21 <Cepheid> That's a short circuit.
17:25 <Cepheid> Apparently the metal backing has sharp bits on it.
17:27 <Cepheid> Actually kind of wondering how this keyboard got damaged, now.
17:28 <Cepheid> Initially I thought it was water seepage, 'cause I do wipe down my keyboards with a damp cloth.
17:28 <Cepheid> But this...
17:28 <Cepheid> This sheet is basically a sheet of circuits in the middle, sandwiched by two plastic sheets, all melded together.
17:28 <Cepheid> It's airtight and watertight.
17:30 <Cepheid> Ah well. Free keycaps and an LED sheet. No use for the sheet though. o3o
17:30 <Cepheid> Assuming it even works.
17:34 * Cepheid takes a sample of the cat fur underneath all the keys and performs mad science with 'em.
17:34 * Cepheid clones Simba.
17:35 <Cepheid> So, fun design note about the laptop.
17:35 <Cepheid> The power adapter is not attached directly to the system board.
17:39 <Cepheid> The adapter itself is soldered into a very small PCB, which has a chip on it. From the edge of the board are five wires that go to a standardized connector, which connects to the system board.
17:42 <Cepheid> I don't actually expect it to power up, though.
17:43 <Cepheid> And I have no way to test, anyways.
17:49 <ADragonDreaming> is there an advantage to that design?
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18:07 <Cepheid> ADragonDreaming: Only benefit is that I don't need a proprietary adapter. Can use something else. Probably easier to use an official or off-brand adapter, though.
18:07 <Cepheid> Truth told I'm not sure it's worth it. I don't even think I'd be able to get it to power up, on the grounds that the power button is integrated into the keyboard, which means that I need to send an appropriate power signal via keyboard to the systemboard.
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18:09 <Cepheid> That said, if I can trace the line the power button takes back to the board, I can probably use something to poke it.
18:10 <Cepheid> Found it.
18:11 <Cepheid> Line 13 from the left is one of the two pins.
18:11 <Cepheid> ...
18:12 <Cepheid> Course, I could just like, re-attach the keyboard circuit sheet and hit the power button.
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18:28 <Cepheid> Salvaged one more part.
18:28 <Cepheid> Wifi card and antenna.
18:31 <Cepheid> Oh, also the hinges.
18:31 <Cepheid> Doubt I can use 'em for much, but if I ever want to hook 'em up to something, I got a pair of laptop hinges for it.
18:33 <Cepheid> Got a rough weight range for 'em too.
18:33 <Cepheid> Laptop screen weighs 650 grams.
18:44 <Cepheid> Right, time to start cleaning all this up.
18:44 <Cepheid> Might as well get my bedroom while I'm at it.
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19:08 <Cepheid> As for the RAM, I was thinking of trying to put it into my current laptop, but I just realized, that'd slow things down. Also..
19:08 <Cepheid> Apparently DDR3 SODIMMs are cheap?
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19:10 <Ali> Aren't we on DDR4's or 5's by now?
19:11 <Ali> Derp forgot the topic again
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19:11 <ADragonDreaming> I believe it's ddr4
19:12 <ADragonDreaming> but ddr3 is still widely used because cheap.
19:14 <Stormspark> ddr4
19:14 <Stormspark> nothing made in the last 5 years supports ddr3 pretty much
19:14 <Stormspark> doesn't matter how cheap it is if modern motherboards don't support it
19:14 <Stormspark> (and modern CPU's don't support it)
19:18 <Cepheid> DDR4 currently.
19:19 <Cepheid> The usual targets of DDR3 right now are primarily mobile devices, and laptops, though even laptops are upgrading to DDR4 now.
19:19 <Cepheid> This laptop meanwhile is old enough that it uses DDR3.
19:19 <Cepheid> But the capacity is a bit low, so..
19:20 <Stormspark> my laptop is several years old and is DDR4
19:20 <Stormspark> I wonder what my phone uses
19:20 <Cepheid> DDR3 most likely.
19:20 <Cepheid> Mobile devices are the reason DDR4 was delayed so much.
19:21 <Cepheid> THere was more profit in DDR3.
19:21 <Cepheid> Hmm, if your laptop's a few years old and uses DDR4, then let's see..
19:21 <Cepheid> Yep, DDR3 here, according to demidecode.
19:22 <Cepheid> Dual-channel.
19:23 <Stormspark> my phone uses LPDDR4-2133
19:23 <Cepheid> Ah.
19:23 <Cepheid> I guess they finally updated to DDR4 memory.
19:23 <Stormspark> https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/qualcomm/snapdragon_800/855
19:23 <Stormspark> wait, 7nm?
19:23 <Cepheid> But yeah, my current laptop uses DDR3, two modules, 4GB.
19:23 <Stormspark> when did that happen? O_o
19:24 <Cepheid> Not sure, but 7nm for mobile CPUs/GPUs sounds more reasonable compared to 7nm for desktop CPUs/GPUs.
19:24 <Cepheid> Apparently 7nm was hit in 2018.
19:24 <Stormspark> yeah
19:24 <Cepheid> 5nm is expected for 2020.
19:25 <Stormspark> once you get under 10nm quantum tunneling starts happening and has to be accounted for
19:26 <Cepheid> Yeah, that kinda stuff is beyond me. I gather you're a hardware expert/electronics expert?
19:27 <Cepheid> Looks like 5nm has already begun.
19:28 <Cepheid> Interesting tidbit, the two SODIMMs in my laptop aren't even the same brand.
19:29 <Cepheid> One's a Micron SODIMM, no model number, so I can't tell what it's specs are. The other's a Samsung SODIMM.
19:29 <Cepheid> https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/module/M471B5173DB0-YK0/ One of these.
19:30 <Cepheid> I think the Micron SODIMM might be soldered, onboard RAM.
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19:47 <Cepheid> My favourite kind of programming is the kind where you literally have to hack together a kludge just to use something that exists.
19:47 <Cepheid> Because it's fun using stuff in ways it's not meant to be used.
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20:10 <PinkieShy> Finally got to see wreck it ralph 2: Ralph breaks the internet
20:11 <SunsetShimmer> Endgame > WIR2
20:13 <Stormspark> the best troll "spoiler" I saw was "Batman dies in Endgame"
20:15 <PinkieShy> Wendy's might just bring back the spicy nuggets!! :D
20:15 <PinkieShy> Their tweet they said if it reaches 2million they'll bring them back.. is at 1.6 million now.
20:17 <SunsetShimmer> lucky wendys havers. :P
20:24 <Stormspark> I didn't know they got rid of them
20:24 <Stormspark> then again I haven't been to a wendy's since 2013
20:24 <Stormspark> used to get those all the time. They were good, I wouldn't call them spicy by my standards but they were good
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20:38 <DashedRainbows> Yay
20:42 <Schism> This amuses me too much. https://twitter.com/UrsulaV/status/1125129692317659137
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21:01 <Cepheid> Hum.
21:02 <Cepheid> Schism, there's a DLC quest that provides a repeatable quest for EXP, as well as apparently an item that increases EXP gain in EO5. Think that'd be cheating? At least, more cheaty than using wraiths to kill bosses with 9999 damage strikes?
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21:07 <Schism> I... hm. Good question. It'd save you time, but if that's cheating, then we get into a whole host of issues. Its existence as DLC kinda puts it into weird territory.
21:08 <Cepheid> Yeah.
21:08 <Cepheid> I think I'll stick with what I got.
21:08 <Schism> You might like this particular issue from the CoH group, which is comparable. They reduced Architect Entertainment experience to 50% recently.
21:08 <Cepheid> Though, I should look into the classes that I can create in a bit more detail.
21:09 <Cepheid> I don't have a complete skill graph available to me, since I can only see the base classes. The extended classes, not so much.
21:09 <Schism> Considering your recent acquisition of that 200% EXP skill, the DLC seems rather meaningless in comparison.
21:09 <Cepheid> Aye.
21:09 <Schism> DLC quest*
21:10 <Schism> In that sense, it's probably more of a cheat for players who don't know EO the way you do.
21:11 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
21:11 <Schism> Oh, as context for that statement - AE is a means by which players can make quests for themselves, to share with others. Players took it as a means to farm and get to 50 rapidly. Devs cut down the XP by 50%, and now some folks are whining about it. That's all.
21:13 <Cepheid> Fencers seem to be all about stab attacks. Obvious, given their name. Phantom Duelist..
21:14 <Cepheid> Looks like they are meant to be bait.
21:14 <Cepheid> All of their skills are designed around excessive dodging.
21:15 <Cepheid> And a single skill that involves them drawing considerable aggro while further increasing their dodge rate
21:15 <Cepheid> The craziest skill of the bunch is the passive skill that increases their dodge rate further for each open slot in their equipment screen. That is, the less equipment they have, the better they are.
21:16 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, Chain Duelist further expands the Fencer's chain skills, which are... I'm not entirely sure how useful they are.
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21:17 <Cepheid> Basically, for each attack a character in the party makes(Multi-hit attacks being treated as one attack), the fencer follows up with an attack. Hence chain skills.
21:18 <Cepheid> I wonder just how powerful a Phantom Duelist is. There are some great synergy skills.
21:19 <Cepheid> Sylphid, in the Fencer base class, for example, gives the character a chance to the character to counter-attack every time they dodge.
21:19 <Cepheid> ...
21:19 <Cepheid> I messed up that sentence.
21:19 <Cepheid> But the point gets across.
21:20 <Cepheid> Combine that with the Phantom Duelists evasion/dodge-boosting skills, passive and active..
21:20 <Cepheid> Especially if it pulls aggro.
21:20 <PinkieShy> I got very scared today lol
21:21 <PinkieShy> Saw a bee that was huge..
21:21 <PinkieShy> Like bigger than your thumb fingernail big..
21:21 <PinkieShy> It was black and just was hanging out on the porch
21:22 <PinkieShy> So big you could see the bug in fine details.. The eyes looked creepy..
21:22 <PinkieShy> I bet if you would get stung by that thing.. It would hurt even worse than a wasp sting.
21:23 <PinkieShy> Google says Carpenter bees.. https://cdn.securesyte.com/bR1M4Qm8d3-938/images/blog/carpenter-bee-in-nashville.png It looks just like em too..
21:24 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Two New Equestria Girls Shorts Songs - I'm on a Yacht and Run to Break Free [ http://tinyurl.com/y4abmdc9 ]
21:27 <Cepheid> Oh game, you shouldn't have.
21:27 <Cepheid> First strike on a glowing enemy.
21:29 * DashedRainbows sniffs PinkieShy and barks
21:44 <Cepheid> Here's how much the encounter rate increases with Soul Gather, Schism: I killed one group of monsters. I take one step. Another group of monsters. o3o
21:46 * PinkieShy hugs DashedRainbows
21:52 * DashedRainbows runs by chewing on her chew toy
21:59 <Cepheid> One more level and I run a bit of statistics on Dreamer.
22:08 <Cepheid> Well that sucks. Died to a single attack.
22:08 <Cepheid> Time for stats! 1, the spell used no TP. 0, the spell used TP.
22:13 <Cepheid> So far, not looking good.
22:16 <Cepheid> Out of 12 castings, only 2 did not use any TP.
22:19 <Cepheid> Yeah, I'm not impressed by the savings. I think I'll swap out this skill for something else. I'll pick it up later, when I can get past level 70.
22:24 <Cepheid> If I had to choose between randomly saving a bit of TP, or just outright blasting everything in one shot, I'll take the damage.
22:24 <Cepheid> And so, Dreamer shall go down the pure damage route.
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22:49 <Cepheid> Hum, so close. Cradle Edge, 375,000 En. Strongest scythe in the game.
22:56 <Cepheid> Estimate at least another 4-5 runs should get it to me.
22:59 <Cepheid> I feel like I should have made Dreamer into a female Warlock instead, and named her Megumin. As he keeps exploding everything.
23:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Discussion: How Big is Your Pony Folder? [ http://tinyurl.com/y524kgao ]
23:04 <Cepheid> -1GiB.
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23:15 <Cepheid> Geezus, what's with this ethernet cable? My dad found this thick-gauge cable.
23:15 <Cepheid> Let's see..
23:16 <Cepheid> ProPlex PCCAT5EP 24AWG shielded 100MHz Data Cable Cat5e verified.
23:18 <Cepheid> Right, so this stuff is of higher quality than the usual cable we use.
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23:51 <Stormspark> my pony folder is um
23:52 <Stormspark> 202gb for episodes, movies, and comics
23:52 <Stormspark> 1.7gb for images (over 1300 and counting - no R34, no humanized, no anthro, no EQG)
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