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01:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: BronyCon PMV Contest Seeking Video Makers [ http://tinyurl.com/y6d4xofb ]
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01:25 <Schism|Nocturne> A group of folks in West Virginia turned on their taps earlier today to find that the water was running purple.
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01:38 <Cepheid> Wasn't it just a week ago some folks woke up to their water being pink?
01:41 <Schism> Oh, huh. So it was. I was looking at a recent relay of an earlier story.
01:41 <Schism> Oh wait, Ohio, not WV.
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02:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1825 [ http://tinyurl.com/y5n8jud7 ]
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02:12 * Ali snuggles up to Schism
02:20 * Schism pats the Ali, and offers some cheese and crackers, with zucchini relish.
02:20 <Cepheid> !link https://youtu.be/g9vOoArdbs4
02:20 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
02:20 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Baby Skunks Trying To Spray - Funniest Compilation
02:21 * Ali noms Schism instead
02:22 * DashedRainbows licks Ali
02:22 * Ali squeaks at DashedRainbows
02:23 <DashedRainbows> that's a cute squeak there
02:23 * Ali ish not cute though
02:24 * DashedRainbows sits on Ali again. go horsey go!
02:24 * Ali puffycheeks, she's not a race horse.
02:24 * Filly_Nightmares clambers onto DashedRainbows and eees at Ali!
02:24 <DashedRainbows> :'(
02:25 <Cepheid> Baby skunks are adorable. Try their best to look so menacing, but the size difference between us and them just... I dunno.
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02:28 <PinkieShy> rewatched a silent voice movie again today..
02:28 <PinkieShy> Didn't sleep last night really... just 3 hours of sleep..
02:28 <DashedRainbows> ain't that fun
02:29 <PinkieShy> also
02:29 <PinkieShy> roof is leaking in my room again....
02:29 <PinkieShy> after a year of not leaking.. Its back.
02:29 <Reiko> Figure
02:29 <Ali> You have horrible luck with leaks
02:29 <PinkieShy> I know it is as i heard rain drops hitting the ceiling, and put my hand on the spot where i heard it.. and felt the wood vibrate from the water hitting it.
02:30 <PinkieShy> and the brown spot is once again.. expanding on the ceiling.
02:30 <Reiko> Nice
02:30 <PinkieShy> Ali I had nightmare where I saw the whole house dripping water on every spot possible..
02:30 <PinkieShy> As if there was no roof in the nightmare..
02:31 <Reiko> And that was a point of?
02:32 <PinkieShy> the leaks worry me..
02:32 <PinkieShy> Worry me to the point what if.. water gets on my computer, my xbox..
02:32 <Cepheid> Tomorrow worries me in that my sisters dog is gonna be here.
02:32 <PinkieShy> or something that would cause a short circuit and cause a fire.. o_o
02:33 <Cepheid> Cats do not like puppy.
02:33 <Reiko> Oh...in that was a a case then i don't know...
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02:44 <PinkieShy> DashedRainbows I finished my church's new members class today :D
02:44 <DashedRainbows> what's that?
02:44 <PinkieShy> Pastor told me that to make it official when i am ready after the service go to the front of the church and announce i wanna join :3
02:45 <PinkieShy> Like become a member of the church and such.
02:45 <DashedRainbows> ooh
02:48 <PinkieShy> Last time i was baptised in 2006.. and the church says they don't know their last baptistism..
02:48 <PinkieShy> Might ask them to redo mine :3
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03:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Community Classic Remix: Glaze & H8_Seed - Awoken (StrachAttack Bootleg) [Drumstep/Drum & Bass] [ http://tinyurl.com/y3bfejud ]
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05:43 * Ali squeaks at luckyspirit
05:44 * luckyspirit touches Ali’s squeaker in greeting
05:44 * Ali squeaks even louder
05:45 * luckyspirit giggles and snugs Ali tight
05:46 * Ali leans into the luckyspirit and yawns
05:47 * luckyspirit snuggles back into Ali
05:47 * Ali boops luckyspirit to see if they've been keeping up with the pony episodes
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05:50 * Ali tucks the DashedRainbows into bed
05:50 <DashedRainbows> Gn pones
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06:14 * Filly_Nightmares purrs and rolls onto her back for cookie!
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06:16 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
06:20 * Ali flops over ConfusionRift
06:20 * ConfusionRift patpats Ali. :P
06:23 * Filly_Nightmares flops onto Ali on ConfusionRift!
06:23 * Filly_Nightmares purrs
06:23 * ConfusionRift also pats Filly_Nightmares. :P
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06:32 <Jackie> Konnichiwa
06:34 <ConfusionRift> Excuse me?! ...just kidding. :P
06:35 <Jackie> It's kinda boring to only use Romanji
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07:22 <Finwe> Good morning, everypony!
07:22 * Finwe hats on Ali.
07:23 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift, Mlles Ali, Surreal_Nightmares, Jackie and DashedRainbows, Mr Schism.
07:23 * Finwe doffs himself.
07:23 * Ali squeaks at Filly_Nightmares and noms his hat
07:23 <Ali> grr tabfails
07:23 * Ali pulls Finwe over and flops on them correctly now.
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07:35 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
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07:46 * ConfusionRift floofs Filly_Nightmares. :P
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07:47 * Filly_Nightmares wigglewaggles and kneads ConfusionRift happily!
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08:56 <Jackie> What is Finwe in English?
09:02 * Filly_Nightmares lickies Jackie nosie
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09:02 * Filly_Nightmares eeeeees
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09:16 <Finwe> Jackie: Umm, I'm not sure, but I think that it had something to do with hair.
09:17 <Finwe> "The name Finwë is said to be one of the oldest recorded names of the Eldar. It is not certain if Finwë had any clear meaning, but it can be analyzed as fin- (derived from Common Eldarin PHIN "hair") + -wë (suffix generally used for male names)."
09:18 * Finwe boops a Filly_Nightmares.
09:36 * Filly_Nightmares purrs and curls up on Finwe and uses Jackie as a blankie!
09:36 <Filly_Nightmares> Nini!
09:36 <Filly_Nightmares> I wuv you!
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09:37 * Jackie nuzzles bat
09:42 <Finwe> o3o
09:42 * Finwe bazzles nut.
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10:50 <Finwe> Mr RazorSharpFang.
10:50 * Finwe doffs his hat.
11:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1596 [ http://tinyurl.com/y4g9h3f9 ]
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12:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Comics: The Question / Rock My World / Hold Tight / Antagonizing / FS #281 / Reform a Queen #8 [ http://tinyurl.com/y3bxg7dn ]
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12:34 <Finwe> !starlight time
12:34 <Finwe> Starlight time! Starlight time!
12:34 * Finwe bounces around in front of Starlight_Glimmer.
12:43 <Lumindia> o 3o
12:43 * Lumindia hugs Starlight_Glimmer
12:44 <Lumindia> Indeed!
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12:57 <Finwe> Messrs Lumindia and Starlight_Glimmer.
12:57 * Finwe doffs his hat.
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13:01 <Vulpor> Hey everyone
13:02 <Finwe> Mr Vulpor.
13:02 * Finwe doffs his hat.
13:02 <Vulpor> The biggest news from E3 is probably Cyberpunk 2077
13:02 <Vulpor> The game IS coming out in 2020
13:02 <Vulpor> for PS4 Xbox One
13:08 <Vulpor> Also Keanu is in it
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13:51 <Solarstorm> i might or might not have pre ordered cp2077 -_-
13:51 <Starlight_Glimmer> And PC. Console peasants.
13:52 <Starlight_Glimmer> Apart from that: If you're not going to get the collectros editions there is little point in preodering
13:52 <Starlight_Glimmer> ordering*
13:53 <Solarstorm> well, technically consoles are inferior pcs
13:53 <Solarstorm> and ofc i preordered the pc version
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14:08 <Starlight_Glimmer> Somewhat unrelated: Why do people care about celebrity cameos that much?
14:08 <Starlight_Glimmer> They take up a significant part of the budget while not really adding all that much to the experience
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14:31 * Starlight_Glimmer carefully arragnes Lumindia and Finwe and lays down on both
15:33 <Schism> Finwe: I'm sad to say a friend of mine has recently landed in hot water for selling cantaloupe, pickled with entirely too much clove and nutmeg. Nutmeg, of course, has hallucinogenic properties, but even then it might have been due to the label he gave the contraband substance.
15:33 <Schism> He sourced it from his friends in the area, and decided to call it an old Sindarin term. Sadly, the police take a dim view of unauthorized distribution of spiced mellon.
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15:44 <Cepheid> ... what?
15:44 <Schism> Random pun attack, sorry.
15:49 <Stormspark> there are only two potential E3 announcements I'm interested in. 1) Metroid Prime Trilogy. 2) Switch Pro
15:49 <Schism> Every so often I read a Spider Robinson book, and the end result is that I start seeing puns, a kind of linguistic idiosyncracy. Also, didn't Nintendo pull out of E3 and just do their own thing?
15:50 <Schism> I am also slightly annoyed that Bethesda have decided to take their newfound license for the Commander Keen series and use it to produce a mobile app filled with as many microtransactions as they could cram into it.
15:51 <Cepheid> They did, but they are still doing an announcement during E3.
15:51 <Schism> Ah, alrighty.
15:51 <Cepheid> Nintendo Direct and all that.
15:52 <Cepheid> As for Bethesda, I'm not shocked.
15:56 <Cepheid> So, my sister won't be home today.
15:56 <Cepheid> The plane she was gonna take home is unable to leave. High winds, 70km/hr gusts.
15:59 <Schism> Yeek. Well, I'm glad that she's not going to be flying through that nonsense. Do you mean her home there, or her home up in Igloolik?
15:59 <Cepheid> Home here.
15:59 <Cepheid> She's coming back here for a couple of months.
15:59 <Schism> A brief reprieve for your cats, then, before the ferocious invader descends.
16:01 <Cepheid> Until either Tomorrow, or next Monday.
16:04 <Cepheid> Mmm, good. All of my direct deposit stuff with WIS is still correct.
16:04 <Cepheid> So I'll get paid on Thursday. o3o
16:04 <Cepheid> And immediately lose $200 to the parents.
16:05 <Schism> Food money. *sagenod*
16:06 <Cepheid> Oh, no.
16:06 <Cepheid> $150 for the RAM I purchased the other day, I asked for an advance. Then $50 as part of the cost of the air purifier I use in my room.
16:06 <Schism> Ahh.
16:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Wonderbolts Music: MelodyBrony - The Wonderbolts [Punk Rock] [ http://tinyurl.com/yx9xldka ]
16:07 <LibrarianofHope> your sister lives in a very remote place no cepheid?
16:07 <LibrarianofHope> your mon got injured there, if memory serves
16:08 <Cepheid> Yeah.
16:08 <Cepheid> Igloolik.
16:09 * Schism notes to LibrarianofHope, "It has a giant mushroom!"
16:09 <LibrarianofHope> smurfy
16:10 <Cepheid> ... Oh my gods, are you kidding me? "Mac Hard Drives" is a category?
16:11 <Schism> I'd not put it past Apple to put some kind of proprietary nonsense in their drives.
16:11 <Schism> Certainly they make a point of ensuring that their customers don't alter their machines in any way.
16:12 <Cepheid> They're all USB drives, and my guess is..
16:12 <Cepheid> They're formatted for Mac OS X by default.
16:13 <Schism> Almost certainly.
16:14 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, I'm shocked at the cost of controller cards.
16:14 <Schism> So, preformatted filesystem, at an uptick of... what, $100?
16:14 <Cepheid> An 8-port controller card is upwards of $330 or more.
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16:15 <Cepheid> Actually, the drives I'm seeing as "Mac Hard Drives" are about average price.
16:15 <Schism> Huh. Well, that's a nice change of pace.
16:18 <Schism> Hm. Foolish question, perhaps, but would it be at all feasible to create a controller which uses SATA or SAS as a bus, with an internal interface to mount a selection of USB3 drives as partitions at will?
16:19 <Schism> Possibly not very viable...
16:19 <Cepheid> Nah, that kinda setup is possible, but whether or not it actually exists is another question.
16:19 <Cepheid> But honestly, if yer gonna do something like that...
16:20 <Schism> May as well just get a multiple USB3 controller, I know.
16:20 <Cepheid> Just get a multi-drive bay, hook it up to an SAS controller with fanout cables.
16:20 <Schism> Oh yeah. I was thinking more along the lines of specialized stuff.
16:21 <Cepheid> And what I suggested isn't specialized?
16:22 <Cepheid> For your situation though, just a simple USB3 controller would probably work better. Get a bunch of ports, plug external drives in from the outside.
16:23 <Schism> Mm... Yeah, it is. Bleh. I dunno why I was thinking of it, save for the idea that an SAS bus might have bandwidth which might otherwise go unused.
16:23 <Schism> I'm also tired, but I'm trying to reset my schedule again.
16:24 <Cepheid> SAS controllers are limited in performance, similarly to USB3.
16:25 <Cepheid> The issue lies in the connection to the motherboard.
16:25 <Cepheid> Most controllers limit themselves to PCIe3 x8
16:27 <Schism> Ah, bottleneck there, then.
16:28 <Cepheid> Not too bad, actually.
16:29 <Schism> I see some notions that integrated PCIe SSDs are a big thing, but how well do they handle heat if they're used continually?
16:29 <Cepheid> You mean NVMe M.2?
16:29 <Cepheid> Not bad, actually.
16:29 <Cepheid> Heatsinks are usually included.
16:30 <Cepheid> There are heat concerns when they're in external enclosures, but for the most part, the drives work just fine.
16:30 <Schism> That's good to know, so long as the producer doesn't skimp on the paste. (I've had at least one set of RAM die on me because the heatsink ... came loose.)
16:31 <Cepheid> Also, it's hard for me to figure out the performance limits of SAS controller hardware. Specs are a little hard for me to understand.
16:31 <Schism> Eh, you're not the only one here.
16:31 <Cepheid> Okay, specs on the official website help.
16:32 <Cepheid> An LSI MegaRAID SAS 8-internal port would be limited by the PCIe lanes.
16:32 <Schism> Impressive.
16:32 <Cepheid> PCIe3 x8 = ~8000MiB/sec.
16:32 <Cepheid> Which is about 64Gbits/sec.
16:33 <Cepheid> The controller above has 8 ports, each running at 12Gbits/sec.
16:33 <Cepheid> See the problem.
16:33 <Cepheid> 8 * 12 = 96.
16:34 <Schism> On the one hand, a 1GiB/sec push to eight drives simultaneously is impressive, and part of me wants to think that this is as much as anyone could want. And then I remember the corollary to Moore's Law.
16:34 <Cepheid> Oh, it's not 8 drives maximum.
16:35 <Cepheid> SAS is Serial-Attached SCSI, which is slightly different from SATA in that it supports up to multiple devices per port.
16:35 <Cepheid> This is implemented through fanout cables.
16:35 <Cepheid> You can attach up to 64 drives to an 8-port device.
16:35 <Schism> I'm sorry, I need a moment here. I haven't heard SCSI used in a legitimate sense for 20 years.
16:36 <Cepheid> Ironically enough?
16:36 <Schism> I know the irony. XD
16:36 <Cepheid> You can use SATA drives on SAS controllers.
16:36 <Cepheid> But yeah, each port runs at 12Gbits/sec, and can support up to a maximum of 8 drives.
16:37 <Schism> I know it's wrong of me, but I'm kind of sad that it can't support /8/ drives, just so that they'd get up to 108.
16:37 <Schism> Er, 9 drives*
16:38 <Cepheid> Heh.
16:38 <Cepheid> The downside though is that the bandwidth is split between all the drives.
16:38 <Cepheid> Of course, this isn't necessarily a *BAD* thing.
16:38 <Cepheid> Because more often than not, not all drives are being utilized at once.
16:39 <Schism> Careful usage and programming could-- yeah.
16:40 <Cepheid> Careful usage is the key point.
16:41 <Cepheid> As for why I'm even considering any of this, redundancy mostly. I know it's not the safest solution and that it's not a backup solution, but bit rot and so on are things.
16:41 <Schism> Ah. Seems a pretty reasonable solution for a RAID.
16:42 <Cepheid> I'm actually just wanting a cheap controller for JBOD mode.
16:43 <Cepheid> The onboard controllers of motherboards apparently aren't the greatest.
16:43 <Cepheid> What *IS* the controller my motherboard uses, anyways..?
16:44 <Cepheid> Doesn't say. I'd have to poke the system itself under Linux and do an lspci.
16:44 * Cepheid goes and does that.
16:47 <Cepheid> But yeah, software RAID is a thing, and it's a viable solution now.
16:47 <Cepheid> Go look up ZFS.
16:48 <Cepheid> Let's see, what devices are the drives on..?
16:49 <Cepheid> Device 01.3..
16:49 <Cepheid> Then 02:00
16:50 <Cepheid> Ah, here we are.
16:50 <Cepheid> ASMedia Tech Inc. 400 series chipset sata controller.
16:52 * Schism hmm. "I usually went for the vendor ID in most cases."
16:52 * DashedRainbows rreads LibrarianofHope
16:54 <Cepheid> Right, right, ID stuff.
16:54 <Cepheid> 1022:43c8
16:55 <Cepheid> Getting the same result.
16:55 <Cepheid> 400 series SATA controller.
16:58 * Schism nodnods.
16:59 <Schism> Oh, that's Intel.
17:00 <Cepheid> AMD.
17:00 <Schism> Well. Not quite Intel. Evidently it carries the same ID for parts, and a very different one for others... okay, that's odd.
17:00 <Cepheid> The 43C8 is a SATA controller from ASMedia.
17:00 <Cepheid> That said..
17:00 <Cepheid> AMD and Intel working together is not unheard of.
17:00 <Cepheid> They worked together to create an IGP solution for Intel processors.
17:00 <Cepheid> I'm not kidding.
17:01 <Schism> I believe it.
17:01 <Cepheid> Also, Intel's opening up just a tad.
17:01 <Cepheid> They made their Thunderbolt bus royalty-free and handed it over to the USB consortium.
17:01 <Cepheid> So USB4 is gonna be Thunderbolt 3, more or less.
17:01 <Cepheid> Which isn't a bad thing since USB3 and Thunderbolt3 both use USB-C connectors.
17:02 <Cepheid> Okay, I'm gonna delete that danged tweet. People continue to reveal they don't read the thread, and assume that I know nothing about reference displays, now.
17:03 <Cepheid> The XDR display may actually be the one thing Apple has made that's technically underpriced, if it's comparable to reference displays.
17:03 <Cepheid> Because said reference displays are upwards of $20,000. While Apple's display is $5000.
17:03 <Cepheid> The stand though and the VESA adapter are still a mystery though.
17:04 <Cepheid> Anyhow..
17:04 <Cepheid> Yeah, it turns out onboard SATA controllers aren't exactly the best.
17:04 <Cepheid> Cheap components.
17:04 <LibrarianofHope> owo, 4th draft done
17:04 <LibrarianofHope> some description research then the final draft
17:04 <Cepheid> Hence if you want to do RAID, be it hardware or software, you want a dedicated controller for it.
17:05 <Cepheid> LibrarianofHope: You know anything about git?
17:05 <Cepheid> I'm only bringing it up because it seems like something you might want to consider using.
17:05 <LibrarianofHope> doesnt ring a bell
17:05 <LibrarianofHope> what is it?
17:06 <Cepheid> Version control system. Any time you make changes to files, you can issue a command called "git commit" which will save any and all changes made to files. Later on, you can revert to earlier revisions of those files, if desired.
17:07 <LibrarianofHope> im currently just saving drafts to google drivw
17:07 <Cepheid> It's an automated system for doing "I'll save this as xxx-rev1.doc", "I'll save this as xxx-rev2.doc", "Oh, hey, I don't like the changes to rev2, so I'll just scrap it and move back to rev1."
17:08 <LibrarianofHope> ill look into it, see if i can make it work for me
17:08 <Cepheid> It's not really that hard
17:08 <LibrarianofHope> sounds promising
17:08 <LibrarianofHope> works on phone?
17:08 <Cepheid> Just install it, go to a folder in the command prompt(Or get a GUI for Windows)
17:08 <Cepheid> It might on phones? I'm not sure how you'd use it, though.
17:08 <Cepheid> And it's not distributed like Google Drive.
17:08 <LibrarianofHope> i use word for android to write
17:08 <Cepheid> Well, sorta.
17:08 <Cepheid> ...
17:08 <Cepheid> ...
17:08 <Cepheid> Did my PC just go into standby again?
17:10 <Cepheid> It did.
17:10 <LibrarianofHope> i need a beta reader again, fiveer offers great ones but the dollar conversion kills mw
17:10 <Cepheid> Okay, I need to prevent that from happening.
17:10 <Cepheid> ...
17:10 <Cepheid> Hey, wait a second, the hell is this?
17:11 <Cepheid> I have two sata controllers on my PC? o3o
17:12 <LibrarianofHope> i just recieved about 270 bucks
17:12 <LibrarianofHope> i dont know why
17:12 <Cepheid> Whatever it is, it's in AHCI mode, and connected to the same bus as... an audio controller? o.O?
17:12 <Cepheid> I have nothing hooked up to it though. Hmm.
17:13 <Cepheid> ... Oh, I bet I know what it is.
17:13 <Cepheid> There's a second M.2 slot on the board, it only runs in SATA mode.
17:14 <Cepheid> Because all the SATA ports are taken up, and are all... on... .... .... The same bus.
17:15 <Cepheid> Huh.
17:15 <Cepheid> It shares the bus with a USB controller, and a PCIe bridge.
17:16 <Cepheid> That means if I connected up USB devices to whatever ports are on that line, it'd impact hard drive performance.
17:16 <LibrarianofHope> i need to check the origin
17:27 <Cepheid> ... Oh *CUTE*
17:27 <Cepheid> The front panel stuff is all connected to the same danged bus as the hard drives.
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17:28 <Cepheid> ... That... wait. That doesn't make sense.
17:29 <Cepheid> I'll figure this out after. Right now I got chores to do.
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17:37 <Cepheid> All done.
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17:39 <Cepheid> Anyways, my problem with the USB front ports is that the front panel hub is being reported as a 480Mbps hub. Not sure if that's because all the devices are USB2 devices, or if the hub is being weird.
17:40 <LibrarianofHope> now i can pay the beta reader
17:40 <LibrarianofHope> yay
17:41 <Cepheid> Okay, there we are.
17:42 <Cepheid> The hub is being reported as two hubs in one. USB3 and USB2. Which hub the device connects to depends on the device.
17:44 <Cepheid> But it's as I thought.
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17:45 <Cepheid> The front-panel USB and the internal SATA controller are on the same bus-device
17:45 <Cepheid> 00:01
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17:59 <Cepheid> Let's see... PCIe3, 4x link. 8GiB/sec max. I have... a USB controller and the mainboard SATA controller on it.
18:02 <Cepheid> Oh dear.
18:05 * Cepheid face palms.
18:06 <Schism> Found a bottleneck?
18:06 <Schism> Several...
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18:07 * Schism sighs, and decides to desk for now.
18:10 <Cepheid> Well, let's see..
18:10 <Cepheid> On the same bus are...
18:10 <Cepheid> USB 2/3, Gigabit Ethernet, and SATA controller.
18:12 <Cepheid> Maximum throughput is PCIe3 x4, so 8GiB/sec.
18:12 <Cepheid> Okay, that's not bottlenecked, though.
18:13 <Cepheid> Apparently, at full capacity, all the devices would come in at around 56Gbits or 7GiB.
18:13 <Cepheid> Not surprisingly, video cards are also on the same bus.
18:16 <Cepheid> That FCH Sata controller on bus 8 is definitely for the M.2 port.
18:17 <Cepheid> The rest all appear to be internal or motherboard stuff required for functioning.
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18:19 <Cepheid> There appears to be a 4th bus, not being used by anything.
18:20 <Cepheid> Probably for the 1x and 4x slots.
18:20 <Cepheid> Though, I want to check something.
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18:25 <Cepheid> Okay, I have confirmed that detail.
18:26 <Cepheid> That third PCIe3 x16 slot is on bus 4.
18:26 <Cepheid> I can't use it though for anything good.
18:26 <Cepheid> Because...
18:26 <Cepheid> The power supply's in the way.
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18:32 <Cepheid> Actually, I think I'm wrong again.
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18:33 <Cepheid> Yep.
18:39 <Cepheid> Soundcard I put in there is on the same bridge as USB, Ethernet and SATA.
18:39 <Cepheid> Which means 06 and 08 under that bridge are the two empty 1x slots.
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18:50 <Cepheid> Okay, this is the confusion. It's the danged tree representation.
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19:12 <LibrarianofHope> whats the appeal of corrupting stuff?
19:12 <LibrarianofHope> first garflied, then applejack
19:12 <LibrarianofHope> heck
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19:29 <PinkieShy> new PSU installed :3
19:29 <PinkieShy> its not making the high frequency screaming noise at me at all.. the PC is.. silent :D
19:33 <Cepheid> Hmm. So, from bus 0, a bridge expands to two 4x links. First 4x link is the NVMe, on it's own port. Second 4x link is apparently... some sort of unusual multi-function device that has a USB3.1 controller, SATA controller, and a PCIe bridge all on one PCIe3 4x port. Wonder how it arbitrates that. Anyhoo..
19:34 <PinkieShy> I got confused though..
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19:34 <Cepheid> On bus 3, there's another bridge. It splits into two ports, for video card purposes. Can run one card at 16x, or two cards at 8x. Or 1 card at 8x, and another device at 1 through 8x.
19:34 <PinkieShy> apparently the new PSU has something near molex cables..
19:34 <PinkieShy> It looks like a 4 pin connector
19:35 <PinkieShy> like what you would see on case fans..
19:35 <Cepheid> Then at bus 07, there's another bridge running on a x16 link. It hooks up...
19:36 <Cepheid> A dummy function, a PSP processor, and USB 3.0. Presumably back USB ports.
19:36 <Cepheid> At bus 8..
19:37 <Cepheid> Nother bridge, 16x.
19:37 * Ali 's head exploded
19:38 <Cepheid> Which has, dummy, a SATA controller for the second m.2 port(?) and HD Audio. All on the same port.
19:41 <Cepheid> Long story short, If I ever want to set up a large number of hard drives, don't use the onboard SATA.
19:42 <Cepheid> Man, the difference in speed of new drives versus old.
19:42 <Cepheid> 4TB drive has a buffered read speed of 231MiB/sec according to hdparm. Meanwhile..
19:43 <Cepheid> I have a 500GiB, reading at 81MiB/sec
19:43 <Cepheid> And a 250GiB reading at 61MiB/sec
19:43 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, an older 1TiB is reading at 121MiB/sec.
19:44 <AppleDash> PinkieShy: Probably a floppy drive connector.
19:45 <Cepheid> PinkieShy: Is it four pins in a row?
19:49 * LibrarianofHope polishes ali in 4k hd graphics
19:49 * Ali incompatable
19:50 <PinkieShy> I believe appledash is right..
19:50 <PinkieShy> It does say it has a floppy connector
19:50 <Cepheid> I think thw 250GiB is broken.
19:50 <Cepheid> PinkieShy: I'm more inclined to say it's a connector for LED lighting.
19:50 <Cepheid> As that comes in 4-pin.
19:51 <PinkieShy> Website lists it as FDD(4P)
19:51 <Cepheid> Ah
19:51 <Cepheid> Then yeah, floppy drive.
19:52 <Cepheid> Yep. Drive is definitely gone.
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20:15 <PinkieShy> just asked a shop what to do with the old psu.
20:16 <PinkieShy> They told me your not suppose to just throw them in away.. Told me ot bring it by them and they have a special recycle just for power supplies.
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20:21 <Cepheid> Yeah, you have to bring electronics to a dedicated recycling place.
20:21 <Cepheid> Because too many electronics are ending up in landfills, when the components could be disassembled, melted down, etc.
20:22 <PinkieShy> Also learned today about PSUs aren't always what they say they are..
20:22 <PinkieShy> for example the new one says 500w.. But under 12v it says its a 480w.
20:22 <PinkieShy> The old PSU said it was a 430w but under 12v it said 408w.
20:24 * DashedRainbows boops PinkieShy's horn a lot
20:24 <PinkieShy> :O
20:24 * PinkieShy licks DashedRainbows alot
20:25 * DashedRainbows doesn't taste good
20:25 * PinkieShy tastes dusty :P
20:25 <PinkieShy> Got like 7 dust bunnies out of my PC..
20:26 <DashedRainbows> :O
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20:40 <LibrarianofHope> i live in dust
20:40 <LibrarianofHope> comes with having a lot of books
20:44 <LibrarianofHope> im working on symbol creation, important for later
20:47 <Cepheid> https://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/focus-series/focus-g-petrol-blue This.. is a case designed for me.
20:57 <LibrarianofHope> as in fit like a glove or i made it?
21:07 * Lumindia VERY belatedly goes squish from being layed upon by a GlimGlam
21:08 <Cepheid> Fit like a glove.
21:09 <Cepheid> It's filtered on all the intakes.
21:09 <PinkieShy> Wanna know what is scary..
21:10 <PinkieShy> That old PSU the TR2 by thermaltake.. I saw on newegg the model i had some reviews said it died within 6 months for them and some i believe said it took out their whole system when it did go out.
21:10 <PinkieShy> I got lucky.
21:14 <Cepheid> It's hard to determine the reliability of components, to be honest.
21:14 <Cepheid> Some components can fail in days. Others months. Others might never fail for even a decade or two.
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21:57 * Cepheid fries his brain in researching SAS, SAS Expanders, and SAS HBAs.
21:58 <Cyan_Spark> Scandinavian Airlines?
21:59 <Cyan_Spark> Scandinavian Airlines High Boeing Aircraft
22:02 <Cepheid> Nah.
22:02 <Cepheid> Serial-Attached SCSI.
22:03 <Cyan_Spark> c:
22:04 <Cepheid> I've never played with it, so I'm researching how everything about it works. It's confusing.
22:04 <Cepheid> But understandable.
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22:08 <Cepheid> The biggest issue I couldn't figure out was the whole "This HBA supports up to 1024 drives." when it only had one port on it for a single fanout cable.
22:08 <Cepheid> And the fanout cable maxed out at 4 drives.
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23:04 <Cepheid> It is very, very warm.
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23:07 <Finwe> Good evening, everypony!
23:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: My Little Pony Speedpaint Compilation #101 [ http://tinyurl.com/y4to49zh ]
23:07 <Schism> Cepheid: It's rather chilly here. o3o And rainy.
23:07 <Cepheid> Yeah, I'm melting here.
23:07 <Cepheid> Also, my sister is most definitely coming home tomorrow.
23:08 <Finwe> Messrs Cepheid and Schism, Mlles Ali, DashedRainbows and Surreal_Nightmares.
23:08 * Finwe doffs his hat.
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23:31 <Cepheid> Went upstairs to sit in front of a fan and air purifier.
23:34 <Schism> Huh. I'm rather saddened that I'm not the first person to come up with the phrase "Post-reality market".
23:36 <PinkieShy> My replacement headphoens from logitech is coming tomorrow or Wednesday :D
23:36 <PinkieShy> They work fast with their warranty system.. Like dang lol
23:37 <PinkieShy> Called last week to get the claim started, a day or two later got a message that it was approved, and today e-mail it was set out via UPS :D
23:37 <LibrarianofHope> post reality implies reality
23:37 <LibrarianofHope> what is real anyway?
23:38 <Schism> Oh, I refer to the old joke, "Who ya gonna believe? Me or yer lyin' eyes?"
23:40 <Schism> Which is to insinuate that, at some point, you can't put off the real world anymore, when the real world is an anvil hovering 10 inches above your head.
23:42 <Schism> The post-reality market, then, is a group who believes that just because they got hit once, they can't get hit again, and so ignore the plethora of anvils waiting for the right time to hit.
23:42 <LibrarianofHope> i stand on my point, i find anyone forcing the vision of reality extremely annoying
23:42 <LibrarianofHope> whtas an example of such a group?
23:42 <Schism> Well, I'm a Discordian, so while I agree with you on principle, Capital-T Truth has a way of hitting you upside the head with a sledgehammer when you take your eyes off it.
23:43 <Schism> LibrarianofHope: The bankers.
23:43 <LibrarianofHope> the way of the library is to let others live and help them when you can
23:43 <LibrarianofHope> i desire to slow the sledgehammer so to speak
23:43 <Schism> In the case of the bankers, I'd rather speed it up.
23:44 <LibrarianofHope> we kinda need the system
23:44 <Schism> The system. The people abusing it?
23:44 <LibrarianofHope> comes with it
23:44 <LibrarianofHope> it would be wiser to manipulate them out of hurting other
23:44 <LibrarianofHope> let them think they matter
23:45 <Schism> Meh. If the system automatically comes with people willing to damage themselves and others willing to hurt oneselves, it's an inherently broken system.
23:45 <LibrarianofHope> saves effort, that we can focus on better things
23:45 <LibrarianofHope> no better alternative
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23:46 <Schism> That's what are fixes are meant to do. Patch up the holes and clear out the rats. But surprise! Nobody in the system seems intent on clearing up the rats. That's possibly a sign that the whole system is comprised of rats.
23:47 <LibrarianofHope> not really
23:47 <LibrarianofHope> just the ones you see
23:47 <LibrarianofHope> it works despite of the rags
23:47 <LibrarianofHope> rats
23:47 <Schism> I know. But a working system would get rid of them. So why don't they?
23:48 <LibrarianofHope> it half works
23:48 <Schism> OH yeah, ADragonDreaming, have you read unOrdinary yet?
23:48 <LibrarianofHope> at least they are entertained and predcitable, i rather see them so we can react
23:49 <Schism> LibrarianofHope, ... the other half (4%, really) contain 99% of the wealth. That's certainly not workable.
23:51 <Schism> This is the kind of situation where the guillotines come out in time. I'd much rather have a situation where the wealthy have fewer Olympic-sized swimming pools, and the rest of us get to enjoy our bread and circuses.
23:52 <Schism> And I mean actually enjoy, instead of living in squalor, and have a chance for actual personal growth.
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