00:00 <Cepheid> Possibly yeah.
00:00 <Cepheid> I've been out most of the day.
00:01 <Cepheid> Food prepared and consumed. Antibiotic consumed. Back to game. o3o
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00:09 <Cepheid> In Etrian Odyssey Nexus, no matter how frustratingly difficult it may be to unlock the game's true ending, I'm gonna do my best to avoid spoilering myself or cheating. I'll even figure out the conditional drops on my own.
00:11 * Cepheid is a *MIGHT* bit upset that he had to use a walkthrough.
00:11 <Cepheid> Er, mite*
00:14 * Cepheid looks blankly at the game, thinking that three freed savages are somehow a threat. Promptly explodes their faces with Ali's overwhelming magical power.
00:16 <Cepheid> Well, not entirely overwhelming. But pretty far up there. Talking thousands of damage.
00:22 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, Dreamer just occasionally... I dunno, pierces enemies through the heart or something, and they just die, no damage.
00:23 <Cepheid> "Stabbed through the heart, and you're to blame!"
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00:25 <Cepheid> Huh. Just noticed this little region of the Shrine is textured differently.
00:25 <Cepheid> Some sort of weird green goo and mold growing over everything. It's dirty, compared to the rest of the shrine.
00:29 <Cepheid> Mmm, and here we are. Progenitor. True ending final boss.
00:30 <Cepheid> Versus a squad that is, by all rights, so incredibly overpowered now due to a staggering five NG+ runs, and is geared to the gills, prosboscis, or whatever term you want to use.
00:32 <Cepheid> .... Ahahahaaha! It's most powerful attack is an ice attack with a debuff, it does about 200 to the party. Protect Order + Full Health Cepheid = 240 HP regenerated at END OF TURN.
00:32 <Cepheid> As such, any damage the enemy does is negated immediately.
00:33 <Cepheid> Okay, that's a bit deadlier.
00:33 <Cepheid> Volt attack, 200 damage. Random status ailments, including Stone.
00:39 <Cepheid> Dreamer did his job dutifully. He took 5 hits to the face. Alas, it was too much and he was knocked out. Whelp. *Resurrects to max health*
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00:41 <Cepheid> Alas, it was not enough. I wiped the floor with that thing's horrible body.
00:45 <Cepheid> Hum. That's an interesting explanation.
00:49 <Cepheid> All that remains at this point are the post-game superbosses.
00:52 <Cepheid> ... That weapon's name is probably enough to give FFV veterans nightmares.
01:01 <ADragonDreaming> It is hot.
01:01 <ADragonDreaming> what name?
01:01 <Cepheid> Almagest
01:01 <ADragonDreaming> Seems vaguely familiar..
01:01 <Cepheid> In FFV, it's an attack Neo Ex-death uses.
01:01 <Cepheid> It causes all sorts of weird effects.
01:01 <ADragonDreaming> ah.
01:01 <ADragonDreaming> I feel sleepy but it's only 9 pm.
01:01 <ADragonDreaming> this is not good
01:01 <Cepheid> Let's see..
01:02 <Cepheid> Powerful holy attack that inflicts Sap
01:03 <Cepheid> Right then, let's unlock the first of the Legendary Dragons. Again.
01:04 <Cepheid> Though, I think I'll have to go poke the Elder Dragon again, since while the stuff to unlock the Ice Dragon worked just fine, I wasn't able to poke the Fire Dragon stuff.
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01:05 <Cepheid> Yep. Gotta go poke.
01:06 <Cepheid> Poke poke poke, with a spear. o3o
01:07 <Cepheid> Oh, no. I forgot one of the steps is all.
01:10 <Cepheid> ... Wait, those two characters are classes not seen in EO3. One's a Hexer, the other's a Ronin.
01:16 <Cepheid> Hey Red. *Throws ADragonDreaming at it*
01:19 <Cepheid> In any case, before I go fighting insanely powerful dragons of burnination, freezination and electroshock therapy, I need to get the absolute best gear I can find. That means formaldehydes, lots of them, and killing all the bosses around the dungeon.
01:19 <Cepheid> And distressingly, exploring the Cyclopean Haunt.
01:24 * DashedRainbows sniffs Finwe and licks
01:26 <Cepheid> ... Great. This game uses those types of FOEs.
01:28 <Cepheid> ... Man, Dragonflies must be weak to instant death. Every single one that Dreamer's hit has died to instant death.
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01:36 <Cepheid> That egg hatched into a monster I have not yet seen. Looked threatening. Up until Dreamer poked it and it died of instant death.
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01:37 <Cepheid> Didn't even get a chance to catch it's name
01:37 <Cepheid> Longicorn.
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01:44 <Cepheid> ... There is a camp site in this place. Who in their right mind would camp down in a place filled with tentacles, horrors from beyond the veil and such?
01:56 * Filly_Nightmares meow
01:56 * Ali flops over Cepheid
01:58 * DashedRainbows barks
02:15 <Cepheid> That's... 3 superbosses, 1 dragon, and a stratum that wants to murder me unlocked.
02:20 <Cepheid> Floor 21's title: "The unreal and grotesque" Floor 22, "Blind plummet into the void"
02:21 <Cepheid> Floor 22's title bothers me. The titles usually revolve around some theme for that particular floor.
02:21 <Cepheid> "Blind plummet into the void" suggests lots of pits. Lots of them.
02:22 <Ali> You've fallen 5 floors
02:24 <Cepheid> In the first game, there was an entire floor just covered in pits. And you had to find the right one to fall into.
02:24 <Cepheid> https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ds/934287-etrian-odyssey/faqs/49447 Also, it was a maze.
02:26 <Cepheid> ...
02:26 <Cepheid> Yeah, pitfalls everywhere, here. Certain of it now.
02:27 <Cepheid> As directly in front of the stairs between 21 and 22, is a stairway between 22 and 23.
02:27 <Cepheid> "The tearful, thorny trail." Damage floors everywhere on this floor, gotcha.
02:29 <Cepheid> That is one angry looking ram. Dreamsmasher. FOE.
02:34 <Cepheid> And of course, they don't highlight the pitfalls. Just the a- ...
02:34 <Cepheid> Are you KIDDING me?
02:36 <Cepheid> So, pitfalls everywhere, as expected. No, the real problem is that there is no automapping, and I also cannot see my location on the map.
02:39 <Cepheid> My kingdom for a levitate spell.
02:39 * PinkieShy hugs DashedRainbows and Ali
02:39 * Ali squeaks at PinkieShy
02:40 <Cepheid> ... So, someone who doesn't mind the game's maps being spoiled. Etrian Odyssey 3, floor B22F, I'm sure there's a map of it somewhere. Just... how screwed am I?
02:47 * Ali checks
02:48 <Ali> So what am I looking for Cepheid?
02:48 * DashedRainbows boops pin
02:48 <Cepheid> On the map, there should be filled in, blue tiles. It's currently a winding path, from what I can tell.
02:48 <Cepheid> ANyways..
02:48 <DashedRainbows> Ehh
02:49 <Cepheid> How many tiles along those winding paths have small circles on them?
02:49 <Ali> On the right hand side of the map, 5
02:50 <Cepheid> Heh.
02:50 <Cepheid> And in the rest, I assume it's insane?
02:50 <Ali> Upper left side of the map has 5
02:50 <Cepheid> Ah, so overall, not that screwed.
02:50 <Ali> The two big middle rooms though
02:50 <Ali> have six each
02:50 <Cepheid> Heh.
02:50 <Ali> There's four FOE on the floor as well
02:50 <Cepheid> That doesn't shock me.
02:51 <Cepheid> Anyhow, that's enough info. :P
02:52 <Cepheid> Hum, let's see how much damage I can do to the dragon.
02:53 <Cepheid> Or as Schism likes to call them, drgns.
02:55 <Cepheid> ... Aaaalllrighty then!
02:56 <Cepheid> Basically flame-breathed me for 700+ damage.
02:57 * DashedRainbows neighs
03:04 <Cepheid> Hum, okay. So it *IS* possible to use multiple flame amulets. But it's better to use one flame amulet and a fire mist. After that, it's mostly about surviving physical hits.
03:11 * Cepheid saves, puts DS away, will do this tomorrow.
03:18 * DashedRainbows sits on Ali. Giddy up?
03:18 * Ali trots around for DashedRainbows
03:20 <Cepheid> https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/cso94b/an_old_woman_took_her_husband_to_the_doctor_the/?st=jzj9dl3j&sh=23db7e3e
03:20 <DashedRainbows> Nice relaxing pony ride.
03:20 <Ali> TL;DR
03:27 <Cepheid> Well then you don't get any of my mac and cheese.
03:27 * Ali noms on Cepheid instead!
03:28 * ADragonDreaming nibbles on Cepheid
03:30 <Cepheid> Noooo tis miiiine! Stay back!
03:31 <ADragonDreaming> I'm mostly testing waters on the bomb game.
03:31 <ADragonDreaming> like as do you want to play a couple rounds tonight or no.
03:32 <Cepheid> Heh. Should try it over discord sometime this week. I should probanly take a break from Etrian Odyssey at some point anyways, before I start mapping the world out on graph paper.
03:33 <ADragonDreaming> so not tonight then
03:33 <Cepheid> I'm about to head to bed.
03:33 <ADragonDreaming> kay-o
03:33 <Cepheid> Sorry.
03:33 <ADragonDreaming> no worries, I figured was long shot
03:34 <ADragonDreaming> I will put together a Wall-E inspire Stellaris civ tonight and then probably hit the hay myself soonish
03:34 <Cepheid> Rest of the week though, I'm game.
03:35 <Ali> Stellaris I fell too far behind on
03:35 <Ali> Too much DLC and I can't keep up with it
03:35 <Ali> Heck I've fallen behind on Cities Skylines as well, can't afford the last two DLCs
03:35 <ADragonDreaming> That one I never got into
03:36 <Ali> Well I was a big Sim City player
03:36 <ADragonDreaming> Same here, though only up to 3.
03:36 <Ali> And when Sim City '13 bombed hard
03:36 <Ali> I played classic, 2000, 3000, 4 and '13
03:37 <Ali> '13 is by far the worst in gameplay design. They had a few things that were neat but the small build area sucked
03:39 <ADragonDreaming> hmhmhm.
03:39 <Cepheid> One thing we need to do in the future is get me drunk, and have me stream Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes.
03:39 <ADragonDreaming> only once we've played a few rounds.
03:40 <Cepheid> I said in the future. Like, during reading week or Christmas holidays after exams.
03:42 <Cepheid> Assuming I'm not sick during those periods anyway.
03:43 <Cepheid> Anyway, I'm all drugged up, pajamaed. Time for sleep!
03:50 <DashedRainbows> I'm going to bed. Nini horseys
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04:50 * Filly_Nightmares eeeeee
04:52 * PinkieShy hands Filly_Nightmares a real life buzz light year from toy story that can walk and talk
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05:04 <Finwe> Good morning, everypony!
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05:17 * Filly_Nightmares eees at PinkieShy and nomfs the head
05:40 <Finwe> Mlles Ali, DashedRainbows and Filly_Nightmares; Messrs ADragonDreaming, Cepheid, PinkieShy and Schism.
05:40 * Finwe doffs his hat.
05:40 * Ali squeaks
05:40 <Finwe> Squeak to you, too.
05:41 * Finwe counter-squeaks at Ali.
05:53 * Filly_Nightmares nom noms Finwe tummy
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05:56 * Finwe hugs a Filly_Nightmares.
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07:20 * Finwe tastes of bread and cheese.
07:22 * Filly_Nightmares nomfs Finwe for food!
07:26 * Finwe offers some yoghurt with raspberries to Filly_Nightmares.
07:29 * Schism wakes up and offers some granola to put in the yoghurt!
07:31 * Filly_Nightmares lickies up the yoghurt happily and gets some on her nosie!
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07:31 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
07:32 <Schism> Good morning.
07:35 * Filly_Nightmares nomfs ConfusionRift!
07:35 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift.
07:35 <Finwe> o7
07:35 * ConfusionRift pets Filly_Nightmares.
07:35 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
07:36 * Filly_Nightmares licks ConfusionRift
07:37 <ConfusionRift> :P
07:37 <ConfusionRift> Inventory is almost over! Yes!!!
07:38 * Filly_Nightmares eeeee!
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08:57 * Filly_Nightmares purrs at Jackie and mewls for food
09:01 * Schism pours some of this chikkin noodle soop into Filly_Nightmares.
09:02 <Jackie> Wet bat
09:06 * Filly_Nightmares purrs and floofs up at Schism! SHe eees at Jackie! Dry bat floof!
09:11 * Jackie picks up Filly_Nightmares
09:13 <Jackie> Cute little bat
09:32 * Finwe ruffles Filly_Nightmares.
09:48 * Filly_Nightmares mewls and uses Jackie as a bed and Finwe as a blankie
09:48 * Jackie rubs back
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09:58 * Filly_Nightmares kneads Jackie and meows for warms
09:59 * Jackie kisses hooves
09:59 * Filly_Nightmares eees and kneads Jackie face!
09:59 * Jackie nuzzles hooves!
10:10 * Filly_Nightmares giggles and licks Jackie face
10:10 * Jackie nuzzles snout
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10:22 <Lumindia> mrglmrg
10:29 * Filly_Nightmares yawnskrees and curls up on Jackie and clutches Lumindia as a plushie
10:29 * Schism rlls over to Lumindia, and boops with a plush gigantender.
10:29 * Lumindia squeaks, engages soft mode
10:30 <Schism> https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/cpxrwa/static_friend_asked_if_i_could_make_him_a_micro/
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11:07 * DashedRainbows sniffs ConfusionRift
11:21 <ConfusionRift> AAAAAHHHHH!
11:21 <ConfusionRift> Yeeeessssss!
11:21 * ConfusionRift took out Supreme Calamitas.
11:21 * ConfusionRift pets DashedRainbows happily. :P
11:25 <ConfusionRift> "Third time's the charm. Here's a special reward." | ...the heck do you mean?!
11:28 * ConfusionRift does some research.
11:28 * ConfusionRift shakes Schism!
11:29 * Schism blink!
11:29 * Schism also yawns. Tries to be awake.
11:30 <ConfusionRift> Oh, didn't know you were asleep.
11:30 * ConfusionRift lightly shakes DashedRainbows.
11:31 * DashedRainbows licks ConfusionRift eagerly
11:32 * Lumindia tips Schism over
11:32 <Lumindia> o 3o
11:33 * Schism falls over.
11:33 <Lumindia> Would you like something to drink? we have water, milk, juice, spiders, Dr. pepper.
11:34 <Schism> Oh, a tall glass of spiders sounds delightful.
11:34 * Lumindia pours a brimming glass of spiders
11:34 <Lumindia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diOhwvRYlsU
11:34 <Lumindia> related
11:48 <Lumindia> The baker tenderly placed twelve beautiful loaves inside the brick oven, then paused to nod in approval. "Alright, now to make it a baker's dozen," he said, and proceeded to crawl into the oven beside his creations. He would be the best loaf, the most beautiful loaf of them all.
11:48 <Cyan_Spark> what
11:48 <Lumindia> https://relative-pronoun.tumblr.com/
11:50 <Finwe> A baker's dozen is 13, is it?
11:51 <Finwe> https://www.britannica.com/story/why-is-a-bakers-dozen-13
12:08 <Schism> Hm. Canceling a state visit is considered to be a rather fundamental breach of decorum.
12:08 <Schism> Cancelling*
12:13 * ConfusionRift nods.
12:26 * Schism teasip.
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13:57 <Schism> Lessee. Weekly tomes...
14:12 <LunaNightwind> OMG i got my tickets for wrestling in NYC they look so cool
14:14 <MoonMirror> Mint
14:16 <LunaNightwind> spent the extra 20 dollars a ticket to get the collectors edition tickets so we have something for our memory wall and im so used to having mobile tickets any kind of ticket is awesome
14:25 <ADragonHoarding> Nice!
14:25 <ADragonHoarding> I've had my phases with wrestling.
14:26 <ADragonHoarding> Started with "why does anyone watch this?" then "This is fake, who cares" then "Oh wait, I get it, it's theater, like shounen anime tournaments."
14:26 <MoonMirror> I just watch all the undertaker's classic matches
14:27 <MoonMirror> Way not up to date with current trends
14:36 <Schism> Adra: Yeah, and soap opera.
14:42 <LibrarianofHope> it still gotta hurt
14:43 <LibrarianofHope> no matter how much practice and choreography, getting smack by an undetaker sized man has to hurt
14:43 <LibrarianofHope> i saw him live once, he is huuuuuuge
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16:28 <LunaNightwind> sorry went AFK for a couple hours, but yeah im excited ive honestly been watching it since i was like 3
16:28 <LunaNightwind> and going to 2 events during my honeymoon and we got special collectors tickets
16:28 <Schism> Nice. <3
16:29 <LunaNightwind> https://imgur.com/a/8kvDRzZ
16:29 <LunaNightwind> special
16:29 <LunaNightwind> i saw moon mirror mentioned undertaker, found out an hour ago he is gonna be there so thats exciting lol
16:35 * DashedRainbows chews on LibrarianofHope
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16:44 <LibrarianofHope> undertaker is huge
16:45 <LibrarianofHope> im tall, like 1.80 meters
16:45 <LibrarianofHope> and he doubles me easily
16:45 <LibrarianofHope> also whtas the collectibility of the tickets luna? i cant quite appreciate it in pictures
17:03 <LunaNightwind> oh do you wanna see what a standard ticket looks like by compairison?
17:05 <LunaNightwind> they sent me dead tickets first just to stand by their 2 day shipping that i paid for
17:06 <LunaNightwind> https://imgur.com/a/qCuYX2q this is a standard ticket, also those collectors tickets have that effect where you move it and the image changes
17:07 <LunaNightwind> i dont mind sending that image cuz the barcode is dead anyway
17:07 <LunaNightwind> also undertaker is 2.08m
17:08 <LunaNightwind> 0.
17:08 <LunaNightwind> -.-+*zsswq1 2
17:08 <LunaNightwind> 0.
17:08 <LunaNightwind> 0\+36*9/` n
17:08 <LunaNightwind> sorry dropped keyboard
17:08 <LibrarianofHope> ohh
17:09 <LibrarianofHope> nice tikcets then
17:09 <LibrarianofHope> i think i was smaller when i saw undertaker, was a while ago.
17:09 <LunaNightwind> yeah they are something i can frame up and put on the wall after the honeymoon
17:09 <LibrarianofHope> mayve its the awe factor, be he is biiiig
17:09 <LunaNightwind> i mean we have a wall just behjind the TVs that we put all kinds of memory things on
17:10 <LibrarianofHope> i do that in a custom made case locker
17:10 <LibrarianofHope> i told my dad , can i have the one you dont use
17:10 <LibrarianofHope> he said no and ordered me a custom one wiith a carpenter friend
17:11 <LibrarianofHope> not complaining,, but its a weird reaction
17:11 <LibrarianofHope> i currently have my warha,mmer stuff and travel souvenirs in it
17:11 <LibrarianofHope> i also like to collect the hotel keycards, i have a loot
17:11 <LunaNightwind> yeah we have some things on the wall like the Roman Reigns vest he got at his first wrestling event earlier this year, a peice of the pinata from my last birthday, the happy birthday banner from his last birthday, the first necklace he gave me, stuff like that
17:12 <LunaNightwind> also some things i cant talk about nothing obscene but personal
17:13 <LunaNightwind> there is a keychain that he got me before i took (and failed) my drivers test although that failure was a good thing cuz i shouldnt be driving on my meds
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17:18 <LibrarianofHope> we dont have tests here
17:18 <LibrarianofHope> you just queu up, pay , picture and done
17:19 <LibrarianofHope> couple of hours, 3 on a bad day
17:19 <LunaNightwind> yeah they make you pay here take the picture then make you take a written and a practical test
17:19 <LunaNightwind> passed the written in under 4 minutes (they give you an hour) with no answers wrong
17:19 <LibrarianofHope> why written? practical makes sense
17:20 <LunaNightwind> test you on the rules of the road before actually getting you out there
17:20 <LunaNightwind> its stupid stuff like what shape is the rail road sign or all signs with 8 sides mean what
17:20 <LibrarianofHope> we just wing it really, most stuff is intuitive
17:21 <LunaNightwind> practical i just couldnt do anxiety was too high and i just messed up too much and then i decided that i had been going under medicated for 6 weeks and i was horrible
17:21 <LunaNightwind> cuz i never knew when i was gonna be driving i would never take my daytime meds
17:21 <LunaNightwind> it was just horrible
17:21 <LibrarianofHope> in the event we do get pulled over the inmense majority of the time we can give the cop about 40 bucks and nothign happens
17:22 <LunaNightwind> lol
17:22 <LibrarianofHope> the house of cards idea, not the series, really applies to mexican functionion on many things
17:22 <LibrarianofHope> its a barely functioning disaster, but it does work
17:23 <LunaNightwind> lol
17:23 <LunaNightwind> barely functioning disaster basically applies to anything governmental here in the US
17:24 <LibrarianofHope> in different ways
17:24 <LunaNightwind> yeah
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17:25 <LibrarianofHope> to me it feels more ordered everytime i visit the states, but it lacks a lot of the fluidity im used too
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17:26 <Ali> Wee the US government!
17:26 * LibrarianofHope jayglomps ali
17:26 * Ali glares at '17
17:26 * Ali squeaksplats
17:26 <LunaNightwind> Eh i just know how horrible the government can be to people like me even ignoring the disability the fact that im trans leaves me open to alot of problems
17:26 <Cepheid> Morning.
17:26 * Schism waves to the Cepheid.
17:27 <LunaNightwind> hey Cephid and Ali
17:27 <LibrarianofHope> sup
17:27 * Schism also blehs.
17:28 <LunaNightwind> Im sitting here slowly leaving chats i was in before i got engaged i have like 2 chats left, one discord server and canternet are the only places i havent left yet
17:29 <LibrarianofHope> dont go
17:29 <LibrarianofHope> we have cookies
17:29 <LunaNightwind> lol
17:29 <LibrarianofHope> and smol sheep
17:29 * DashedRainbows sniffs Ali and flops upon
17:29 <LunaNightwind> ive left alot of the NSFW rooms on here still in 1 or 2 but i used to be in alot more
17:30 <Ali> NSFW kinda died hard
17:30 <LunaNightwind> Ali is honestly the reason i stick around these chats shes been my friend since before i came out
17:30 <LunaNightwind> it sucks to lose a good friend especially one who has put up with all my crazy
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17:31 * Ali boops LunaNightwind
17:32 <Ali> Bleh, to continue Tales of Symphonia or Factorio
17:32 <LunaNightwind> why you doing a boop its true like i was gonna leave the server completely after you left EAD cuz i thought you had left completely Ali
17:32 <Ali> I left EAD cause it was dead
17:32 <Ali> That and the few people that did talk also randomly poofed out of existance.
17:32 <LunaNightwind> yeah well at that point i was only in EAD and Dragonsden
17:33 <LunaNightwind> i didnt know you were still in RD
17:33 <LunaNightwind> ED
17:33 <Ali> EQD is technically the only channel left running as far as I know
17:34 <Ali> I just didn't see the point of having 5 tabs open full of emptyness and join/quit messages
17:34 <LunaNightwind> im assuming most of the activity moved over to that place you hate
17:34 <LunaNightwind> if there was much left to begin with
17:34 <Ali> Discord..bleh
17:34 <Ali> I use the thing, I'm not a fan of it
17:34 <LunaNightwind> you actually use discord now?
17:34 <Ali> The pinging system is absolute garbage, I've missed pings by hours
17:35 <Ali> Use is a loose term
17:35 <LunaNightwind> i have discord to advertise my streams thats about it
17:35 <LunaNightwind> spoiler alert....it makes no difference
17:35 <LunaNightwind> i average about 1 viewer per stream
17:36 <LibrarianofHope> if you stay you get an
17:36 <LunaNightwind> if i had viewers i would talk over stream lol
17:36 <LibrarianofHope> ali is cute pass
17:36 <Ali> Hey Cepheid, how long does it take to get to NG+ for EO3?
17:36 <LibrarianofHope> original edition, mint condition
17:36 <LunaNightwind> I dont need a pass to tell ali she is cute
17:36 * Ali ish not cute though
17:36 <LunaNightwind> all she does is give me puffy cheaks
17:37 <LunaNightwind> *cheeks
17:37 <LunaNightwind> isnt that right cute unicorn
17:37 * Ali puffycheeks as expected
17:37 <LunaNightwind> Ali did you see my wedding dress the other day ?
17:38 <Ali> Nope, also yay thunderstorms will be here in an hour
17:39 <DashedRainbows> TBH I've been thinking of leaving here but meh
17:39 <Cepheid> Ali: From a fresh, new game? Hard to say. If the player is new to the series, probably about two to three weeks. If the player is a veteran of the series, about a week or two.
17:40 <Ali> More in hours Cepheid
17:40 <Ali> I know to get to NG+ in Tales, its about 40-80
17:40 <Cepheid> I cannot give a definitive answer. The game does not track time for me.
17:40 <Cepheid> In my case though? From a fresh start, about 50-60 hours probably.
17:41 <Ali> And of course, there's bosses after the mian story, but are so grindy if you don't NG+ cause XP is too small to get to the strength needed.
17:41 <Cepheid> With knowledge of the game, series, and a powerful team(Level 60+), I'd say...
17:41 <Cepheid> An hour and a half?
17:41 <Ali> Geebus
17:41 <LunaNightwind> i would show you ali but i cant find the link to the dress anymore LOL
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17:42 <Cepheid> And that's only if you go so far as reaching the end of a given base storyline.
17:42 <Cepheid> You can start a NG+ at any time after killing one of the final bosses for the first time.
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17:42 <LunaNightwind> here it is
17:42 <LunaNightwind> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DCQR5M2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ali thats my wedding dress
17:42 <Cepheid> So if you go halfway through a NG+, do something wrong, you can just do another NG+ right there and then.
17:43 <Cepheid> But yeah, there are bosses beyond the final boss. They're grindy as hell, but at least they have story surrounding them.
17:43 <Cepheid> Arguably this could be a bad thing, depending on the person playing the game.
17:44 <Ali> Does NG+ cost you things Cepheid?
17:44 <Cepheid> At worse, 3 key items. If you have the Sky Bowl, the Starry Shard and/or the Moon Key, you lose all 3 items in a NG+.
17:44 <LibrarianofHope> nice dress
17:44 <Ali> Wow, must be nice
17:45 <LibrarianofHope> traditional white or other color?
17:45 <Ali> In Symphonia, you lose a everything
17:45 <LunaNightwind> Purple
17:45 <Ali> But you can use what's called Grade to keep stuff and change the game in some ways
17:45 <Cepheid> Ali: Yeah, but isn't there that Grade system that lets you use- Yeah.
17:45 <Ali> I used to love the game on my Gamecube
17:46 <Ali> Earning grade can be a pain though
17:46 <Ali> As each fight gets ranked in positive OR negative based on how the fight went
17:46 <LibrarianofHope> lovely color, tradiotnal empress color too
17:46 <LibrarianofHope> very regal
17:46 <Ali> And Luna aggro
17:47 <Cepheid> I'm familiar with the Grade system in the Tales series.
17:47 <Ali> Well I think I've only played two tales games
17:47 <Cepheid> In later games, they made it sort of easier, in a sense.
17:47 <Ali> One on GBA and Gamecube
17:47 <Ali> Never played the most recent one
17:47 <Cepheid> If you raise the difficulty of the game, you receive a boost to Grade. Of course, this also means that keeping it high is also slightly trickier.
17:48 <Cepheid> Hell, in Graces f, increasing the difficulty had the potential to make the game slightly easier in other ways.
17:48 <LibrarianofHope> i just ever seen my bro play, most recently ive seen velvet demon claw overkill thingies
17:49 <LibrarianofHope> looks fun
17:49 <Ali> Is it still a freestyle battle system?
17:49 <Cepheid> Yeah.
17:49 <LibrarianofHope> lots of jumps
17:49 <Cepheid> Most of the games past Symphonia have maintained the Symphonia style of combat, or improved on it.
17:49 <LibrarianofHope> and kicks
17:49 <Cepheid> With one exception.
17:50 <Cepheid> There was a game released on the PS2, I forget the name, but it reverted back to the 2D style.
17:50 <Cepheid> Not a bad game in it's own right, but yeah, that turned some people off.
17:51 <Cepheid> Man, now I want to play Berseria, and finish it for a change. Graces, as well. Just for nostalgia.
17:51 <Ali> I do like how Symphonia allows you to play as a different character
17:51 <Cepheid> And seeing if I can pull off a max-difficulty run.
17:51 <Ali> So you're not always Lloyd
17:51 <Cepheid> Yeah, you've been able to do that from the start of the series, I believe.
17:52 <Cepheid> And later games even allowed dynamic switching.
17:52 <LunaNightwind> +
17:52 <LunaNightwind> OH i love that this is a thing...
17:52 <Ali> The annoying thing for me right now is unlocking new tech moves
17:53 <Ali> I love Beast, but I'd love to have its upgrade but I don't remember the conditions to unlock the moves.
17:53 <Ali> Tempest is also a wierd tech, cause it misses about half of its potential damage
17:53 <Cepheid> Yeah, the skills system has always been a bit finicky. Also..
17:54 <Cepheid> Later games actually change the game drastically in that regard.
17:54 * Ali waits around for more rockets so she can go rocket bug bases
17:54 <Cepheid> They become closer to fighting games.
17:54 <Ali> Noo not fighting games
17:54 <Cepheid> Well, kind of like them.
17:54 <Cepheid> Not in the sense that you have to do Quarter-Circle Forward + Punch
17:54 <Ali> I don't want rotate half three b's and a back b to pull a move off
17:54 <Cepheid> You don't have to do that
17:55 * Schism uses Sabin's skill, and flubs it half the time he wants to do Fire Dance.
17:55 <LibrarianofHope> they look so nice
17:55 <LunaNightwind> So PS3 emulation is a thing and it works and im super happy about it
17:55 <Cepheid> No, what I mean they're more like fighters is that your basic attacks, and skills, are driven by a combo system of sorts.
17:55 <Schism> Oh, cool, LunaNightwind.
17:56 <ADragonHoarding> I keep forgetting to try Zestiria with a controller hooked up.
17:56 <ADragonHoarding> as opposed to mouse and keyboard
17:56 <LibrarianofHope> that reminds me the guy i sold an emulator carttdrige has not complined yet, so it most work
17:56 <LunaNightwind> i can play lollipop chainsaw again
17:56 <LibrarianofHope> yay
17:56 <ADragonHoarding> potentially ignore the various challenge side things
17:56 <Cepheid> Basically, you have this small graph/grid of inputs, and you can assign various basic attacks and artes to it. It represents a graph of inputs.
17:57 <Cepheid> It's... hard to explain in words. I'd have to show a video of it.
17:57 <Ali> YAY laser turrets
17:57 <Cepheid> I need to play Zestiria as well. But my mood about it is ruined somewhat because of all the people whining about it. Something about the translation not being the best, among other issues.
17:58 <ADragonHoarding> I don't know about that
17:58 <ADragonHoarding> the translation is fine?
17:58 <Cepheid> Yeah, it seemed fine to me as well.
17:59 <Cepheid> I should just ignore them and play through it.
17:59 <ADragonHoarding> The script is ... I'll admit to wondering where it is going.
17:59 <ADragonHoarding> I'm not certain exactly where I am in the game
18:00 <ADragonHoarding> One thing that confuses me gameplay-wise... you get these systems that let you power up an area of the map, right?
18:00 <ADragonHoarding> But by the time you unlock the ability to do that, you're moving on from that area in the story
18:00 <ADragonHoarding> Am I supposed to just hang out and grind?
18:00 <ADragonHoarding> Am I gonna be coming back through?
18:00 <ADragonHoarding> I don't get it.
18:02 <Cepheid> Heh.
18:08 <Cepheid> Hum.
18:08 <Cepheid> My dad's watching a show on horror stuffs and so on. Which reminds me.
18:08 <Cepheid> There's a 150-year-old jail nearby that's been turned into a hostel.
18:09 <Cepheid> It's reputed to be haunted.
18:10 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/davekellett/status/1162812351004831744 Ahahaha
18:11 <Ali> So I'm starting to think the NWS is getting dumber
18:11 <Cepheid> NWS?
18:11 <Ali> National Weather Service
18:12 <Ali> There's a line of severe storms moving thru my state
18:12 <Ali> And just NOW did they throw up a Severe Thunderstorm Watch box
18:13 <Ali> Storms are ONLY 45 minutes away
18:13 <Ali> Would've liked a little more warning
18:13 <Ali> At least for the watch box
18:13 <Ali> I mean heck
18:14 <Ali> A few days ago they had a watchbox out for 8PM, and the storm still wasn't here yet
18:14 <Ali> It wasn't until the first one dropped, that they extended it to 10PM
18:17 <Ali> Also Cepheid, what should I do about only having a very limited amount of oil?
18:18 <Cepheid> Store it in tanks, conserve it as much as possible. Use it only for the most important resources you need.
18:19 <Cepheid> As for the whole weather service thing, it's better than what happened a few months ago here.
18:19 <Cepheid> Tornados blow by the north and south of the city, and thunderstorms aplenty.
18:19 <Cepheid> They pass by our place without issue, but then, 45 minutes later?
18:19 <Cepheid> We get an emergency broadcast alert about tornados and powerful storms in the area.
18:20 <Ali> They mucked up a Tornado here too
18:20 <Ali> They had their focus on this one storm to the south
18:21 <Ali> While just south of the metro area, a tornado touched down without warning
18:21 <Ali> I think it was only an EF0, but still
18:23 <Ali> I've got oil being used right now to help push blue tech
18:23 <Ali> I might try to get to personal laser defense, but I /think/ I need yellow bottles for the portable fusion reactor
18:23 <Ali> And I might not be able to preserve my oil enough for that.
18:24 <Ali> Eeyup it does, and needs 200 of them
18:26 <Cepheid> I'd hold off on the PFR until you get better armor than the bare bones modular armor.
18:26 <Ali> I know
18:26 <Ali> It takes up pretty much the entire armor
18:27 <Ali> Also Thanks weather channel and local news station for not pushing a severe thunderstorm warning yet.
18:27 <Ali> This is why I watch the *yay* radar when bad stuff is moving in.
18:28 <Cepheid> Same.
18:28 <Cepheid> We watch radars ourselves.
18:28 <Cepheid> We also keep an eye on the skies themselves.
18:28 <Cepheid> Usually when dangerous storms approach, it's pretty obvious.
18:28 <Schism> Lessee. Some weather coming in tomorrow, but it's sunny and hot today. ._.
18:29 <Ali> Also the dreaded blue/purple circuit
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18:29 * Ali flails, that thing is gonna drain her oil so badly
18:29 * Schism flops. Mumblegrumble. NIN50 to 53 in the last hour or two."
18:29 <Ali> And then the Factorio radar reveals 1400% oil
18:30 <Ali> I've got a lot of rework to do to make this base work now
18:30 <Schism> 1400, or 14000?
18:30 <Ali> 1400% Schism
18:30 <Schism> Hmm.
18:30 <Ali> The largest oil patch I think I've seen is 5000%
18:31 <Ali> Or....
18:31 <Ali> Was it 2000%
18:31 <Cepheid> ~3000 here.
18:32 <Ali> Though I'm a bit concerned about running my base on steam power
18:32 <Ali> I only have about 8 burners running and its nomming up coal pretty badly
18:32 <Ali> And they're not even running at 100% usage
18:33 <Ali> Gonna need lots of rails and cliff explosives
18:34 <Schism> That many cliffs?
18:34 * Cepheid looks at classes of EO3 for a class that has a skill that increases combat chance.
18:34 <Cepheid> 'Til I can find a better way to grind EXP, this is all I can really do. o3o
18:34 <Cepheid> I almost had EO Nexus spoiled on me last night. =.=;
18:36 <Ali> Schism, yes...yes there is
18:38 <Cepheid> Buccaneers have the skill I want.
18:38 <Ali> And of course the oil is guarded by tons of bugs
18:40 <Ali> And storms over the radar site, storms look much weaker but that's just cause the radar can't read thru so much rain/cloud
18:44 <Cepheid> Heh.
18:44 <Cepheid> We killed a house fly using the fridge.
18:44 <Cepheid> Not in the sense of smacking it with anything, or crushing it, though.
18:45 <Cepheid> I open the fridge to put some more cans of soda into it. I find on the middle shelf, a house fly, upside down, legs flailing slowly. I put the poor thing out of it's misery rather than let it suffer.
18:45 <Cepheid> Also, in regards to classes... Buccaneer provides the skill I desire. Shogun seems built for doing lots of damage. Can even equip two weapons.
18:46 <Cepheid> One of my many side characters should be relatively high-level. Can probably subclass 'em to get the requisite skill, or even retire 'em.
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18:49 <Cepheid> Yeah, I got one character, actually.
18:49 <Cepheid> Hey Lumindia. Want to be a pirate?
18:50 <Cepheid> Yes? No? Well too bad, even though I politely asked I'm making you one anyways. :P
18:51 <Ali> Yep, NWS is stupid
18:51 <Ali> Cepheid, a Severe Thunderstorm Warning has been issued for your area till 3PM
18:52 <Ali> Well its almost 3PM and no storm has arrived yet.
18:52 <Ali> Time to extend the warning!
18:52 <Cepheid> It's a warning.
18:52 <Cepheid> That means there's a possibility, not a guarantee.
18:52 <Ali> Oh its coming
18:52 <Ali> But its not moving as fast as the time given
18:52 <Ali> I don't mind being warned about a storm early
18:53 <Ali> but missing the mark by about 10-20 minutes is annoying
18:53 <Ali> And get me riled up for no reason when the storm obivously won't be there in time.
18:55 <Cepheid> Weather reporting is, unfortunately, not an exact science. As it is, we still can't predict more than a few days in advance.
18:56 <Cepheid> And even then, the accuracy is still poor.
18:57 <Cepheid> ... Oh gods, really game? A 10% chance for a rare(yellow) drop?
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18:59 <Ali> Yes really Cepheid~
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19:00 <Cepheid> I wish I remembered my stats work.
19:02 <Cepheid> I know there's a formula to calculate, given a probability of success, the number of runs it would take to get one success with a probability of N%, say, 95% or 99%.
19:02 <Cepheid> Finwe would probably know, but I suspect he's AFK.
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19:02 <Schism> I usually eyeball it. For a 10% item drop, if you want a 50% chance, that's 6 attempts.
19:03 <Cepheid> There's a more accurate way to calculate it.
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19:03 <Cepheid> Ah, here we are.
19:04 <Ali> Oh baby, sweet sweet oil
19:04 <Ali> Combined two areas of about 4000
19:04 <Ali> Problem is, its guarded by bugs
19:05 <Schism> Oh, nice!
19:05 <Schism> Well, sorta nice.
19:08 <Cepheid> Hum.
19:08 <Ali> Eep, its here
19:09 * Ali dives under Cepheid and Schism
19:09 <Cepheid> According to the math, I'd need 30 runs to ensure a 95% chance of success of getting at least one item.
19:09 <Cepheid> Fortunately, sea quests are repeatable.
19:10 * Schism provides the Ali with some earmuffs to block the thunder.
19:10 <Cepheid> So it's a simple case of just choosing the quest with the boss, and repeatedly killing it over and over until I get the drop.
19:11 <Cepheid> And though it's a boss...
19:11 * Cepheid deals ~1700 damage to it with Ice, cutting it's HP in half.
19:13 <Cepheid> If anything, I think this might actually be the method to grind EXP.
19:13 <Cepheid> Since the northern sea has bosses that give several 10s of thousands of EXP.
19:20 <Schism> That does make sense.
19:21 <Cepheid> You know, I wonder about the safety of those "frozen meat pet foods" that you find in stores.
19:21 <Ali> Well gotta go claim my oil reserves and lay down ghost tracks
19:21 <Ali> You mean Freshpet Cepheid?
19:21 <Cepheid> Yeah, that kinda stuff for example.
19:21 <Ali> They technically aren't frozen
19:22 <Ali> Just refrigerated
19:22 <Cepheid> The ones I see for sale are.
19:22 * Ali had to deal with a freshpet display
19:22 <Cepheid> They're frozen solid.
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19:22 <Ali> That's...worrying
19:22 <Ali> That sounds like the case is too cold
19:22 <Cepheid> It wasn't specifically freshpet entirely.
19:22 <Ali> I know but still
19:22 <Ali> I've never heard of frozen pet food before
19:22 <Cepheid> In any case...
19:23 <Cepheid> The only reason I ask, is because I know cats are obligate carnivores, so I figure as a treat once and a while, giving them some fresh meat or something would be good.
19:23 <Cepheid> Currently the worst we do is sandwich meat, but those are usually brined and/or seasoned, and I'm not sure what those seasonings may be. Some of them might not be healthy for cats.
19:24 <Ali> Probably not
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19:25 <Cepheid> As it is, it'd probably be safest to provide small chunks of rare-cooked meat.
19:25 <Ali> So I'm gonna take 6 lasers and 160 missles and try to clear out these oil areas
19:25 <Cepheid> Since at least at that point, it's been cooked to kill various biological concerns.
19:25 <Ali> Eeyup
19:25 <Ali> You never know what's still crawling on store bought meat
19:25 <Cepheid> And presumably, cooking doesn't ruin the nutritional content of the meat.
19:28 <Cepheid> Well, next time I have steak, I'll request one rare, and cut up a small part of it.
19:29 <Ali> God I feel stupid
19:29 <Ali> Why don't I have a Mystic Forge in my Colorless Commander
19:29 * Ali will remidy this
19:34 <Cepheid> So far, the probability I calculated has been spot on.
19:34 <Cepheid> 16 or so runs, still no drop.
19:36 <Ali> Oh that was a beautyful massicre
19:36 <Ali> Those 6 lasers just tore those bugs up
19:40 <Cepheid> I'm glad this battle only takes 2 turns.
19:46 <Cepheid> Got it!
19:47 <Cepheid> Now to get 245,000en for the armor..
20:00 <Ali> Cleared the oil
20:00 <Ali> Set up the ghost rail plans
20:00 <Ali> Just need to finish the drop off areas and trains should be a go
20:01 <Ali> THough I would like to know why steel barrels only stack to 10
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20:36 <Cepheid> No idea.
20:37 <Cepheid> Especially since getting access to the oil tanker is easier than making a cargo wagon + 400 barrels, which also holds less fluid.
20:42 <Cepheid> Hum, the toughest of the sea quests is annoying. Leviathan. Has excessively high evasion.
20:52 * Cepheid equips team with flame amulets, grabs a bunch of fire mists.
21:04 <Cepheid> Got the dragon down to 60%.
21:04 <Cepheid> But then it wrecked me.
21:06 <Cepheid> Gonna continue exploring stratum 6 instead. See if I can get some more gear.
21:13 <Cepheid> I still question the campsites down here in the sixth stratum. The entire place is pulsating and full of giant octopus tentacles.
21:15 <Cepheid> Okay, floor 23 also has these giant eyeballs that... actually tell any nearby FOEs where I am. They open if I get close.
21:15 <Cepheid> Looks like they have a 2-tile range..
21:32 <Cepheid> I never thought I'd use the skill Keen Eye. Reveals all FOEs on the map.
21:34 <Cepheid> Oh gods, the final harvest point of interest. Take spot, probably gonna get some amazing stuff out of it.
21:36 <LibrarianofHope> owo, sales are gooood
21:36 <LibrarianofHope> i can buy some tau now , yay
21:38 <Cepheid> Hmm, not bad. Madora II, restores moderate HP to a row. Amrita III(!!!), restores lots of TP(150 per) to a single character. Hamao II, restores moderate HP and TP to a single character.
21:38 <Cepheid> So good items overall.
21:50 <Cepheid> ... How I pulled that off...
21:50 <Cepheid> I managed to get lost by not keeping track of where I was in a no-location-on-map zone.
21:50 <Cepheid> Full of pitfalls.
21:50 <Cepheid> I managed to make it to the end of the section without hitting any pitfalls.
21:50 <Cepheid> I never figured out where I was on the map. o3o
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21:51 <Cepheid> So I found a new enemy. Apparently, it can lay Pandora Eggs. When it does so, apparently the monster dies, since it just disappears.
21:57 <Cepheid> Because of persistence, awareness, and use of Keen Eye, I've actually mapped more of floor 23 than floor 22, because I intentionally fall into the pit traps on floor 22 to figure out where they are.
21:57 <Cepheid> And for mapping purposes. o3o
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22:00 <Cepheid> Hmm. Seeker FOEs that move only when I am lined up with them.
22:01 <Cepheid> ... The hell?
22:02 <Cepheid> Someone stole a family's dog, and then later sent them a letter stating that they stole the dog because the family had been mistreating the dog.
22:02 <LibrarianofHope> dont try to understand insanity
22:02 <LibrarianofHope> what happened to the dog?
22:03 <Cepheid> Don't know.
22:03 <Cepheid> The person claimed they're gonna give it a better life.
22:03 <Cepheid> So presumably hand it off to someone else, or keep it, or kill it.
22:03 <LibrarianofHope> umm
22:03 <LibrarianofHope> i heard of this before
22:04 <Cepheid> PETA is known for putting animals they "rescue" from human hands down.
22:04 <LibrarianofHope> in my particular case i would track them and quite easily kill them
22:04 <LibrarianofHope> and burn their house to ashes
22:04 <LibrarianofHope> no one touches my babies
22:04 <LibrarianofHope> change the topic, im getting pissed
22:05 <LibrarianofHope> please
22:05 <Cepheid> Will do.
22:05 <Cepheid> So I'm getting lost in this danged place now.
22:05 <Cepheid> Constantly.
22:05 <LibrarianofHope> what does FOE mean again
22:06 <LibrarianofHope> i saw it once, i forgot
22:06 <Cepheid> Formido Oppugnatura Exsequens in the translation. Official name is "Field On Enemy" Or, in plain english, enemies that appear on the field.
22:09 <LibrarianofHope> they are bad no? they bit i played of mystery dungeon implied they are a very bad thing
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22:09 <Cepheid> Yes, they are very, very, very bad. Useful in that they provide some great items to sell for new equipment, but they're far more powerful than conventional enemies.
22:11 <Cepheid> Case in point, the one that just poked me turned three characters to stone in one attack.
22:17 <LibrarianofHope> more fnaf stuff came out
22:18 <LibrarianofHope> if nothing else, i enjoy the shcadenfraude of matpat never gettin the lore right
22:35 <Cepheid> Majority of floor 22 now uncovered. Pain in the rear, though.
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22:58 * DashedRainbows sniffs PinkieShy and flops upon
22:58 * PinkieShy licks DashedRainbows
22:58 <Cepheid> Ye know, I'd love to buy a CRT monitor, so my cat can experience sleeping on an oversized display that generates tons of heat.
22:59 * DashedRainbows licks PinkieShy till he's soaked
23:00 <LunaNightwind> oh hey Minecraft officially supports ray tracing now
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23:00 <Cepheid> Some think it's a gimmick, and it likely is, but there is actual, factual benefit to it.
23:00 <DashedRainbows> Bleh, have to get a kidney biopsy Friday
23:01 <LunaNightwind> like i wont lie i have loved ray tracing in the games that support it on my computer
23:01 <Cepheid> In conventional minecraft, lighting works by a per-block basis. It's range isn't realistic, and it looks weird. It'll change deep diving mechanics a bit, because now the lighting is realistic.
23:01 <LunaNightwind> Metro Exodus looked much better with RTX on
23:02 <LunaNightwind> Im guessing its just in the version you get from the windows store not the version of minecraft that is traditionally modded
23:02 <Cepheid> Probably yeah. Though I wouldn't rule out the Java version having it either.
23:02 <Cepheid> Although, now that I think about it...
23:02 <Cepheid> Right now, only D3D games support raytracing, so..
23:03 <Cepheid> Oh, wait.
23:03 <Cepheid> No, Vulkan and OpenGL support it through nVidia extensions.
23:04 <Cepheid> More general-purpose/generic interface stuff is meant to be coming in the future, though.
23:06 <LunaNightwind> yeah just looked it up its only the windows 10 edition that supports it not java
23:07 <LunaNightwind> but heck this looks like 2 different games
23:07 <LunaNightwind> https://images.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/comparisons/minecraft-ray-tracing-with-hd-textures/minecraft-with-rtx-and-hd-textures-interactive-comparison-001-on-vs-off.html
23:07 <LunaNightwind> quake 2 is another one where the differences really add up
23:08 <ADragonDreaming> mowr
23:08 <Cepheid> How's the impact of it, though?
23:09 <Cepheid> Well, for me to find out I'd have to get an RTX-compatible game. I'm using an RTX 2060 as is.
23:09 <LunaNightwind> Quake 2 RTX is free on steam
23:09 <LunaNightwind> its only like 2 levels but if you know quake 2 its a major change of scenery
23:09 <LunaNightwind> im rocking a 2080
23:10 <LunaNightwind> and impact on processor and stuff usually isnt that bad
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23:10 <Cepheid> I can't afford stuff that expensive, usually.
23:11 <Cepheid> When I do, it's either because of tax returns, or I'm using my OSAP money, and I shouldn't be using that for computer parts.
23:11 <lunanightwindphone> I couldnt either fiance built my entire unit as a birthday gift to me i wanted to kill him
23:11 <LibrarianofHope> then wub and kisses?
23:12 <lunanightwindphone> He said pick the parts i want so i built this stupid build that wasnt best parts but they were solid parts and he just said ok and bought it all while i slept
23:12 * Cepheid goes to get printer info, so he can print up a manual.
23:12 <lunanightwindphone> 16 gb ram, 2080, i7 8700
23:12 <lunanightwindphone> Combined 5 tb of hard drive space
23:13 <lunanightwindphone> +a ssd for windows
23:13 <LibrarianofHope> thtas a keeper of a man, albeit dpending on the actual source of the money you can be justified to smack him a bit
23:13 <Cepheid> 32GiB RAM, 2060, AMD Ryzen 2700X, 4TB Platter Drive, 512GiB NVMe SSD.
23:13 <lunanightwindphone> Its all money he made on the job
23:13 <LibrarianofHope> good man
23:13 <lunanightwindphone> Joke here is that he works at taco bell making 14 bucks an hour
23:14 <lunanightwindphone> But hes getting ot every week
23:14 <lunanightwindphone> Like hes paying the entire honeymoon too with the exception of what my inlaws gave us as a wedding gift
23:15 <LibrarianofHope> were you going?
23:15 <lunanightwindphone> NYC for 7 days and albany for 3 days
23:15 <LibrarianofHope> hence the wwe tickets?
23:15 <lunanightwindphone> Bingo
23:15 <LibrarianofHope> whtas in albany?
23:15 <lunanightwindphone> My in laws
23:16 <LibrarianofHope> ohh
23:16 <lunanightwindphone> Ive never met them
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23:16 <LibrarianofHope> owo
23:17 <lunanightwindphone> Heck the fact that they accept that both of us are trans while they are in their late 70s is magical to me
23:17 <LibrarianofHope> depends on their personal upbringing really
23:17 <LibrarianofHope> albany in australia
23:17 <LibrarianofHope> ?
23:17 <LunaNightwind> no albany in new york
23:18 <LunaNightwind> i dont have a passport and likely will never need one
23:18 <LibrarianofHope> heck two lunasç
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23:18 <LunaNightwind> yeah i was on my phone
23:18 <LibrarianofHope> the fun has been doubled
23:18 <LunaNightwind> YAY!
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23:19 <LibrarianofHope> seems like a nice picturesque place
23:19 <LibrarianofHope> also, new york is a state too , but the capital is albany and not new york?
23:20 <LunaNightwind> I know the reason why my fiance is so loose with money and it worries me for reasons that i cant really go into but if things work like they are supposed to then everything will be perfect starting on his birthday next year
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23:21 <LibrarianofHope> got no joke for that, no context
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23:21 <LibrarianofHope> and i keep thinking of cow tipping by weird mental gymnastics
23:21 <LunaNightwind> LOL
23:22 <LunaNightwind> hes a trust fund baby...he gets access to his trust on his next birthday
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23:23 <Cepheid> Yeah I got nothing like that set up at all.
23:23 <LunaNightwind> cant give many more detaii
23:23 <Cepheid> Basically I have to rely on my own hands and brain.
23:24 <LunaNightwind> neither do I thats part of why im so worriedxc
23:24 <Cepheid> One of which is completely and utterly broken.
23:24 <LunaNightwind> i dont even know why he is with me sometimes since im basically living on disability cuz of mental issues
23:25 <LunaNightwind> i just try to enjoy every day i do have with him and treat them all like its the last
23:25 <LibrarianofHope> becuase you nice, and pretty
23:25 <LunaNightwind> i will accept that i can be nice...i will never accept that i am pretty
23:25 <LibrarianofHope> as a part of my plans im going to have to accept the anppyance of the sexy librarian trope
23:26 <LibrarianofHope> eberyone thinks im a girl at first owo
23:26 <Cepheid> Last I checked, I can't get disability, and even if I could, I have a negative view on relying upon disability. As is?
23:26 <Cepheid> It's a miracle my parents even convinced me to label myself as disabled for OSAP purposes.
23:26 <LunaNightwind> honestly i dont like being on disability but i accept that i have to wear that tag because of all my issues
23:27 <LunaNightwind> I wish people mistook me for a girl i am still very masculine looking
23:27 <Finwe> Good evening, everypony!
23:28 * Finwe shakes his hoof at Steam.
23:28 <LibrarianofHope> i am masculine, but this name will get that effectt for a while
23:28 <Finwe> 60.9 MB/s, when my connection would allow over 100 MB/s.
23:28 <LibrarianofHope> also my protagonists are a gay piromancer girl and a gay phantasmal demi goddess
23:29 <LibrarianofHope> which is a sort of undead ghost thing
23:29 <LibrarianofHope> no wonder i feel overhwlmed all the time, all that stuff shuffling in my head
23:29 * LibrarianofHope grabs finwe for a cow tipping adventure
23:30 <Finwe> o3o
23:30 <LunaNightwind> honestly before i came out i used to use girls as my avatars in any game i played and until my fiance came along i considered myself gay
23:31 <LibrarianofHope> im straight, but i will never judge anyone, my complaint is i made so much lore and charcters i get overwhelmed trying to get it straight
23:31 <LibrarianofHope> might sound dumb, but it is a lot of information, i been doing this all my life
23:32 * DashedRainbows licks Finwe
23:32 <LunaNightwind> ive told myself im a gay girl for 18+ years....i came out as a girl 3 years ago and until last year i considered myself gay then fiance came along and i was like ok...
23:33 <LunaNightwind> heck even now i tell myself im gay with an exception
23:33 <LunaNightwind> lol
23:33 <LibrarianofHope> gender labels are an invention of humanity, its just we take them so much for granted the new gender paradigms are very confusing
23:34 <LibrarianofHope> the point is you love him, classification should be irrelevant
23:35 <Cepheid> Regarding RTX performance on my system...
23:35 <LunaNightwind> whats up cepheid?
23:35 <Cepheid> Playable at 1080p.
23:35 <Cepheid> Quake 2 RTX works at 1080p, 50-60 FPS. Anything higher and it just plummets.
23:35 <LunaNightwind> yeah if you are pulling RTX you arent gonna be pulling 4K aat a solid framerate
23:35 <Cepheid> But then, this card wasn't really picked up for it's 4k performance.
23:36 <LunaNightwind> ive got the 2080 and im not pulling much above 1440p
23:36 <Cepheid> I just wanted a considerable upgrade at 1080p and maybe 1440p for some games.
23:36 <LibrarianofHope> while you are in new york luna
23:36 <Cepheid> I was using a GTX 970 before. Still mean to send that off to my friend, but I keep procrastinating.
23:36 <LunaNightwind> yeah RTX 1080p is pretty much where you are locked with the 2060 to my knowledge, if you arent shooting for RTX on then 1440 should be golden
23:37 <LibrarianofHope> there is a famous tech store in new york, my bro got a super pro computer there
23:37 <LunaNightwind> I was running an old Radeon HD 5770 before i got this 2080
23:37 <Cepheid> Honestly, past 1440p, it seems kinda pointless.
23:37 <LunaNightwind> 4k can be nice if you can run it
23:37 <Cepheid> The UI for many games doesn't scale, so they become unreadable.
23:37 <LunaNightwind> ill have to check it out LibrarianofHope if you can find the name
23:37 <Cepheid> Otherwise, 4k is useful for not needing to use AA anymore.
23:38 <LunaNightwind> Cepheid, more modern games have ok UI for 4k
23:38 <Cepheid> Even on a 40" display about 3-4 feet away from my face, you generally can't see individual pixels anymore.
23:38 <LunaNightwind> i sit like 2 feet from my monitor lol
23:38 <LibrarianofHope> B&H Photo Video - Electronics and Camera Store
23:38 <LibrarianofHope> this one
23:38 <LunaNightwind> on a 45 inch display
23:38 <Cepheid> Yeah, but they're a pain to still work with. UI scaling isn't exactly robust yet.
23:38 <Cepheid> Most of it at the moment is literally just scaling the UI up, with no change in resources.
23:38 <LunaNightwind> like straight up if this 2080 can push me through the next generation of games ill be happy
23:38 <LibrarianofHope> they have an amazing system on the roof, factorio worthy
23:39 <LunaNightwind> like getting 2 or 3 years into the PS5 and XBOX SCARLETT's life spans will make me happy
23:39 <LunaNightwind> even if i have to drop to mid graphics at some point
23:40 <LunaNightwind> i got this card in april...i had my previous card for 12 years before i had to ditch it
23:40 <LunaNightwind> 11 or 12 years
23:41 <LunaNightwind> im most worried about my CPU being a bottleneck right now cuz i went cheaper on that cuz i was trying to be realistic when i built my rig thinking it was theoretical
23:42 <Cepheid> Your CPU likely isn't a bottleneck, given the model you're using.
23:42 <LunaNightwind> i went weak on it its only an i7 8700 i didnt even get the K model
23:42 <LunaNightwind> although i have talked to the fiance about getting an i9 9900K for christmas
23:43 <Cepheid> Heh.
23:43 <LunaNightwind> knowing him....im gonna get it
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23:43 <LunaNightwind> but ive also told him i want one of those arcade one up units
23:43 <Cepheid> I wouldn't mind getting a good color-oriented, smaller 4K display. At 40", 1920x1080 doesn't look too great. Same for 1440p.
23:44 <Cepheid> Problem is, the cost of such displays is excessive.
23:44 <LunaNightwind> ive got a 3 monitor setup right now, one 50 inch 4K one 45 inch 4k and one 32 inch 1440p 144htz
23:45 <Cepheid> Heh.
23:45 <Cepheid> Arguably, I'd prefer 144Hz 1ms response time, but unfortunately there's a tradeoff.
23:45 <LunaNightwind> ive had the 2nd two screens for over a year
23:45 <LunaNightwind> then the 50 inch fiance bought just to have a slightly bigger TV in our room
23:46 <Cepheid> At the moment, largest I'd like to stick to is maybe 30", as up close that'd be sufficiently large.
23:46 <LunaNightwind> the 45 inch i bought for black friday 2 years ago for like 250 bucks and the 50 inch we use for other things its just a stream monitor when hes not home
23:47 <LunaNightwind> if im playing emulators or games where frame rate wont matter its on the 4k if im playing a shooter its on the 1440
23:47 <Cepheid> Again though, biggest issue with 61+Hz/1ms displays though is color.
23:47 <LunaNightwind> yeah it took me a long time to get the colors where i want them on all 3 screens
23:48 <Cepheid> The high-refresh-rate displays use TN panels because the other panel types are, simply put, too slow.
23:48 <LunaNightwind> then again im very specific about my colors
23:48 <Cepheid> TN panels however, use 6bpc
23:48 <Cepheid> So you lose out on color reproduction.
23:48 <LunaNightwind> like i think i play like 2 games on the 1440p screen
23:48 <LunaNightwind> one of which being call of duty
23:49 <LunaNightwind> 3 games
23:49 <LunaNightwind> COD Streetfighter and Mortal Kombat 11
23:50 <LunaNightwind> reading those frames when i play fighters
23:50 <Cepheid> When it comes to refresh rates though, the supposed claims of people being "better" at games due to higher refresh rates is kinda bull.
23:51 <Cepheid> All you'll get is interpolation between one game tick and the next.
23:51 <LunaNightwind> naw i dont claim to be better i do claim that it moves smoother than i ever saw on a playstation
23:51 <Cepheid> I know, I know.
23:51 <Cepheid> I'm just saying.
23:51 <LunaNightwind> yeah i hear ya
23:52 <Cepheid> Games can interpolate the scenery for higher refresh rates, but internally, the game may only be ticking along at a frequency far lower than the display.
23:52 <LunaNightwind> i have this PC with like 200 games on it and most times my go to for gaming is pickign up my switch and playing mario maker
23:52 <Cepheid> So, for example, running Minecraft at 240hz isn't gonna do you a whole lot. Game ticks at 20 ticks per second. It'll interpolate everything between those ticks.
23:53 <Cepheid> I will admit though that games that handle these high refresh rates, do have some advantages.
23:53 <Cepheid> That is, where input and game logic aren't tied together. So for example, a game that ticks away at X rate, but handles input logic at Y rate, thus allowing for things like smoother camera motion and such.
23:54 <LunaNightwind> BBL
23:54 <Cepheid> But in terms of game logic? Game's only going to check your input every tick, which might occur once every 1/60th of a second.
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23:56 <Cepheid> Won't lie though, tech's been improving and coming down in price. Looks like they're managing to solve the ghosting issue with IPS displays, while allowing high refresh rates.
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