00:04 <Schism> Burned my toast, clipped my head on the side of a cabinet, steak is burned too.
00:04 <Schism> This is not a very good weekend.
00:07 <Schism> Second set of eggs is fine, though. Mushy yolks, decent saltiness.
00:10 <SunsetShimmer> You must be yolking
00:11 <Schism> Nah, this is how I like my eggs.
00:11 <SunsetShimmer> :p
00:12 <Schism> Considering how you folks like them sunny-side up, I think you have nothing to sneer at. :P
00:13 <Schism> You probably also like your toast butter-side down!
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00:25 * Cepheid modifies his code so it can output strings as well as individual characters. So he can do stuff like "[COLOR CHANGE CODE=<COLOR>]".
00:28 <Schism> Hm. Now that I think about it, I was rightly chastized for not putting my e-mail to the right people instead of sending it to everyone. Crud.
00:29 <Schism> I thought everyone needed to read it, but it should have been sanitized first.
00:30 <Schism> It was fine, the idea included SHOULD be read by all, but I shouldn't have assumed.
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00:41 <Schism> Hey Cephy: did you watch "Helluva Boss" yet?
00:43 <Cepheid> Not yet. I should.
00:43 * Cepheid goes on to the next largest MBM file.
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00:44 * Cepheid goes through equippable item descriptions.
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00:45 <Cepheid> Hum. There's no name table for equippable items?
00:46 <Cepheid> Oh, there it is. Just not an MBM file.
00:47 <Schism> Cepheid: Loona, from that animation, is the kinda character we should both appreciate.
00:47 <Cepheid> ...
00:47 <Cepheid> Loooootta dummy item entries.
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00:48 <Cepheid> That said, knowing Atlus, those dummied items actually have no useful data associated with them.
00:49 <Cepheid> ...
00:49 <Cepheid> There's an item that provides...
00:49 <Cepheid> +100 HP, +100 TP, and +10 to all stats.
00:53 <Cepheid> Exactly 1024 description entries. Let's see..
00:54 <Cepheid> There's a file called equipitemcompound.tbl, it is interestedly 10240 bytes.
00:55 <Schism> Hehehe. Just finished watching Helluva Boss again. Oh, it's horrible, but at the same time, it's -such- black comedy that you can't get upset at it.
00:59 <Cepheid> Name table's easy to parse.
01:00 <Cepheid> 2 bytes, number of entries. Then it's just a sequence of 2-byte values, each representing the distance from the offset (2 + (2 * num_entries)) to a string.
01:01 <Cepheid> Names are densely packed. There's nothing to connect them to their relevant weapons. That's probably what the equipitemcompound.tbl file is for, as it has exactly 1024 entries of 10 bytes.
01:02 <Cepheid> Unfortunately, this also means that ".tbl" items are unrelated, in terms of data layout.
01:03 <Cepheid> I'll leave this for another day. Getting hot in the head, and I'm gonna have to do some refactoring.
01:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Comics: Online Doctor / Pone Wars 9.6 / Lost Sun #12 / Hidden Dragon #9 / Nightmare Pulsar #3 [ http://tinyurl.com/up8ddvu ]
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01:17 <SunsetShimmer> *Coffeesippuu!*
01:18 <Schism> Oh, of course, the voice of Zim is a part of this new production.
01:19 <Schism> I'm surprised I didn't recognize him on the first view.
01:20 <Cepheid> I should investigate ICU for converting between Shift-JIS and UTF-8.
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01:21 <Schism> They probably didn't expect anyone to actually check.
01:23 <Schism> You're probably the first person who has.
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01:24 <Cepheid> Hmm?
01:25 <Schism> Cepheid, when it comes to a project like the disassembly of EO3, not many people will grip it with their teeth and shake it apart the way you have.
01:26 <Schism> It's honestly a little bit frightening.
01:26 <Cepheid> Heh.
01:26 <Schism> Not a mark on you, to be sure, but you are /driven/. And that's part of why I swear that any employer would be glad to have you.
01:27 <Cepheid> Wonder if there's any fun text in here. Let's take a look at the mbm file listing.
01:42 <Cepheid> ...
01:42 <Cepheid> I don't know of anywhere in the game where this text is used.
01:42 <Schism> Find something fun?
01:42 <Cepheid> Oh, these are the sea quest NPC descriptions.
01:43 <Schism> Oh, okay. Not something you'd normally see.
01:44 <Cepheid> There's a dummy entry plus a few entries that are described as just "<Class> [Letter]<Number> Description"
01:44 <Schism> Yup, standard NPC stuff.
01:44 * Cepheid goes through the Skill Explain Battle file. Descriptions for skills, basically.
01:46 <Cepheid> Few blank entries, but nothing out of the ordinary.
01:49 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, the only other oddity I see..
01:49 <Cepheid> Is that there is 28 "DUN_##F.mbm" files.
01:51 <Cepheid> Hum, some test strings in the DUN_00 file.
01:51 <Cepheid> ...
01:51 <Cepheid> There's a BGM test.
01:52 <Cepheid> "Kills FOEs." "Creates FOEs."
01:52 <Cepheid> "Moves FOEs."
01:53 <Cepheid> Literal debug strings and stuffs.
01:53 <Cepheid> ... Some of which explains the various codes. o3o;
01:54 <Cepheid> "Waits until A button is pressed. [8006]Putting a [8006] in between lines will cause waits as well. Last line is normally [WAIT FOR INPUT]."
01:54 <Cepheid> "Draws map and makes it so that you've traversed through completely."
01:55 <Cepheid> There is a chunk of text completely untranslated here.
01:56 <Schism> Interesting...
01:56 <Schism> !log
01:56 <Unixkitty> https://unixkitty.com/logs/EquestriaDaily/latest.log.html
02:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #2001 [ http://tinyurl.com/rf3ub9n ]
02:05 <Cepheid> Yep, untranslated. Uses some kanji, though, so I need to add the missing codes.
02:08 * Cepheid gets a list of codes not covered. Implements them.
02:09 <Schism> Make sure that the codes are included in a list of exclusions to the latest promotional discount.
02:09 <Cepheid> I will, of course, not do this in the future.
02:09 <Schism> Of course not.
02:09 <Cepheid> I'll use libicu or something similar to solve this problem.
02:10 <Schism> I'm not BITTER, of course.
02:10 <Schism> Why, that'd be silly.
02:21 <Cepheid> Oof, file 12 has a lot of kanji.
02:22 <Cepheid> ...
02:22 <Cepheid> There's something here.
02:23 <Cepheid> Several chunks of untranslated text.
02:24 <Cepheid> There's something on floor 12 that is either inaccessible, or was missed during a translation pass.
02:24 <Cepheid> Or, removed.
02:28 * Schism attempts to see a critique of Hazbin Hotel. Because the video gets parts out of order, however...
02:28 <Cepheid> I, however, am not going to set up decoding of this.
02:29 <Cepheid> Over 300 kanji I would have to add.
02:29 <Cepheid> ... No, 166.
02:29 <Schism> Common enough...
02:29 <Cepheid> Still a lot, though.
02:29 <Cepheid> With that known, though..
02:29 <Cepheid> There should be some thing related to it in other files.
02:31 <Cepheid> There's only 5 events of note on the 12th floor.
02:32 <Cepheid> "d12_event01" "d12_event02" "RED_DRAGON_NPC" "mis_006_shogun_12f" "d12_item_box"
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02:38 <Cepheid> Hmmm...
02:40 <RazorSharpFang> I presume that the devs would know what each event was.
02:50 <Cepheid> Yep.
02:51 <Cepheid> Reveal unto me your secrets, file. You cannot hide from me forever.
03:04 <Cepheid> "You explain that you lied to the two capitals." "Is that so...?"
03:04 <Cepheid> ...
03:04 <Cepheid> This is supposed to trigger if you go down the true path.
03:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Fanfiction Updates - December 6 [ http://tinyurl.com/tnzj2cf ]
03:09 <Schism> I just realized that I failed to make a very big distinction, viz. continuity vs. finality.
03:10 <Schism> I want antivaxxers to go away. Forever. Let the notion die, honestly. HOWEVER... I would prefer it be via education and understanding as opposed to... well, death.
03:10 <Schism> More death, that is.
03:11 <Schism> It's important to make that clear when dealing with a life-or-death situation.
03:12 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
03:13 <Cepheid> "As you traverse through the scorching hot caverns, you arrive where the shogun is waiting." I dun get it, why is this still in here, untranslated?
03:14 <Schism> HOW HAVE YOU NOT FOUND A JOB YET. Seriously, your translations are toptier. That's superb!
03:16 <Cepheid> Rough estimate based on the context I am aware of, and the words used. Using the two, I was able to create a sentence that sounded reasonable.
03:16 <Schism> That's what I mean!
03:16 <Schism> You're able to localize based on barest scraps!
03:18 <Cepheid> And a dictionary. Once you understand the structure of the language, it's mostly about vocabulary.
03:18 <Cepheid> Literally, a majority of what I need to learn at this point is vocabulary
03:20 <Schism> Okay, you don't quite understand. You're able to figure out a sentence based on contextual cues and what little kanji you know -- and piece it together into English. That is REALLY rare.
03:21 <Cepheid> Fair enough.
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03:27 <Schism> When I use the term 'polymath', I tend to use it as a pejorative, but you fit the bill. Cepheid, you scare me. Honestly.
03:27 <Schism> I mean, 'Frightfully intelligent'.
03:27 <Cepheid> Apparently, remove ADHD, and my mind becomes focused like a scalpel.
03:28 <Schism> And it has a lot of weight behind that blade.
03:32 * Schism hears the beat of a car going by.
03:32 <Schism> See, I'd like that car to get into an accident, but only one which would disable the vehicle, not the drivers.
03:33 <Schism> Let the damned idiots get into a collision with a stop sign.
03:34 <Schism> Take out their transmission, instead of anyone within.
03:35 <Schism> And why? Eh, penalty for noise pollution.
03:41 <Schism> "You're all girls, right? I mean, you're wearing a dress, and so are you, and you, and you..."
03:47 * Cepheid pokes libicu. Seems to get the job done, but needs a callback to handle Atlus codes.
03:55 <Cepheid> Gonna need some finagling to work.
04:07 <Cepheid> Oh, good. I can do by-character.
04:09 <Schism> Oh no! Trump has called Justin Trudeau 'two-faced', something Canadians seem to have figured out a year ago.
04:11 <Schism> While I'm not going to argue with him for finally getting the right time on that stopped clock, you have to wonder...
04:11 <SunsetShimmer> Thats a hot mess not worth diving into x3
04:12 <Schism> Let's leave that as it is, then.
04:13 <SunsetShimmer> Anyway, its 4:15 And I'mma sleep...have funz, pones! ♡
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04:19 * Ali flops about.
04:21 <Ali> Someone should've kept Shimmerbutt up for reasons
04:21 * Ali flops and puffycheeks
04:22 <Schism> Abby... normal, I think it was. https://twitter.com/MrDanZak/status/1203055010118094851
04:22 <Cepheid> Aaaand voila.
04:22 * Ali sits on Schism
04:23 <Schism> I'm sorry, but this is the sort of thing that raises eyebrows.
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04:29 * Jackie loves the fact that Sleeping_Nightmares and PrincessRainbows are more respected
04:29 * Ali headtilts at Jackie
04:30 * Sleeping_Nightmares mewls
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04:32 <Jackie> Gets more affection
04:33 <Cepheid> Got libicu to function with my tool, sorta.
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04:43 <Schism> "Hi!" "You just smooched my sister without her permission. Here's how I say hello. HI!" *BANG* "Spicy!"
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04:43 * Ali sits on Schism again to nom ear
04:44 <Schism> "I must say, I like the use of your tongue there. What do you think of this, too many spikes?" "Just enough!" "Superb! *SMASH*
04:44 *** Jackie2 is now known as Jackie
04:44 * Jackie pets Surreal_Nightmares
04:46 <Schism> "Excuse you, but this freezer doesn't seem to have any ice cubes in it." "Look a little deeper." "Well, I--*CRUNCH*
04:48 * PrincessRainbows hugs Jackie for the ping
04:48 * Jackie purrs
04:48 <PrincessRainbows> Good horsey
04:51 * Jackie nuzzles
04:56 * PrincessRainbows brushies Jackie
04:57 * Jackie wags tail
04:59 <PrincessRainbows> Woof woof
05:00 <Jackie> eee
05:02 * PinkieShy sniffs PrincessRainbows
05:03 * PrincessRainbows smells like horse
05:12 * PinkieShy licks the poni
05:23 <Schism> Pattycake?! PATTYCAKE?!
05:35 * PrincessRainbows also begs for treats from the horsey
05:37 * Cepheid uses DUN_00F.mbm to fill in the various codes, as the translated text apparently tells me WHAT EACH CODE MEANS.
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05:49 <PinkieShy> Anyways.. How about that fail that was YouTube Rewind 2019? Its not like before.. Its more like WatchMojo
05:49 <PinkieShy> Hopefully Pewdiepie will do another one like he did that rocked lol
05:50 * Ali doesn't care about the yubtubs that much
05:50 <Ali> Its got my reccomended lists all sorts of mucked up.
05:52 <Divide|Adagio> A laugh can be very powerful!
05:52 * Ali colds on PrincessRainbows
05:53 <Cepheid> Right, time to stop this madness for tonight.
05:53 <Cepheid> Need to read, get some sleep.
05:53 <Divide|Adagio> Why, sometimes in life, it's the only weapon we have.
05:54 * PrincessRainbows wraps Ali in her wings
05:54 * Ali yays and leans into the PrincessRainbows wings for warmth
05:55 <PrincessRainbows> Yay!
05:55 * Jackie wimpers
06:03 <ADragonDreaming> While I don't begrudge anyone their preferences ...
06:03 <ADragonDreaming> I just don't like Pewdiepie's voice.
06:05 <Cepheid> Looking at this, you know what's going to be a real pain, Divide|Adagio?
06:06 <Cepheid> Doing the inverse. Parsing a user-input string, and translating it back to the format expected by the game.
06:08 <Jackie> Is Cepheid making a game
06:09 <Cepheid> Nah. Decoding and modding an existing game.
06:10 <Jackie> Oh
06:10 <Cepheid> "Randomly selected [NAME OF [FRONT CHARACTER]] unluckily tripped on a tree."
06:11 <ADragonDreaming> Character is dead.
06:11 <ADragonDreaming> Game over.
06:11 <Cepheid> For some reason, item number 0x0402 was apparently important enough to have an event and conversation tree associated with it such that you could obtain +1, +3, or -1 instances of it, or have a count printed out.
06:12 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, Item #2 apparently had some association to an individual named "fire"
06:13 <Jackie> I guess everyone likes PrincessRainbows
06:13 <Schism> Smiiiiile, darn ya smile, ya know this whole world is a great world after all!
06:14 <PrincessRainbows> Eek, zzz
06:14 *** Surreal_Nightmares is now known as Filly_Nightmares
06:14 * Cepheid looks at item #2.
06:14 <Cepheid> Item #2 is a Red Scale.
06:14 <Cepheid> Also, Item #1 is a NONE.
06:14 <Jackie> Maybe Filly_Nightmares as well
06:15 * Filly_Nightmares mewls
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06:20 <Cepheid> Atlus botched one area, though.
06:20 <Cepheid> In dungeon.mbm, there's like, tends of duplicate strings.
06:24 <Cepheid> Anyhoo, bedtime now.
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06:42 <Schism> Haven't watched "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" in ages, and it holds up really, really well.
06:45 *** Jackie2 is now known as Jackie
06:45 * Jackie curls up
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06:47 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ConfusionRift
06:47 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
06:52 <Cepheid> Next seven days of my life are gonna be the longest seven days.
06:53 * Cepheid hands ConfusionRift a NONE.
06:55 <ConfusionRift> o_0
06:56 * ConfusionRift looks at the NONE. "Hmmm."
06:56 <Cepheid> It's like an IS, but not. It's the Dummy item name in EO3.
06:56 <ConfusionRift> Oh, hehehe. It's a null item. :P
06:57 <Cepheid> Yes.
06:57 <ConfusionRift> If I remember correctly, older monster hunter games had dummy items, and they were just called "dummy".
06:59 <ConfusionRift> Messed around a bit with MHFU. Don't remember much though.
06:59 <Cepheid> Yeah the game seems to go back and forth between "NONE", 「ダミ」 and 「ー」 for the names of dummied out stuff.
07:04 <Cepheid> Meanwhile the game saves four copies of everyone's stats.
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07:11 <Cepheid> As for the whole longest days ever thing. Cymbalta dose drops to zero tomorrow.
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07:15 <ConfusionRift> Oooooh.
07:16 <Schism> That's...
07:16 <asdasdasdasd> someone help me
07:17 <Schism> Sure thing. Ali, may you be so kind?
07:17 <Ali> Oh a troll attempt?
07:17 <Schism> Looks like.
07:17 * Ali gets hammer ready and sips coffee, this should be goooooood
07:18 <Schism> We are -quite- ready to help.
07:18 <asdasdasdasd> someone help me
07:18 *** asdasdasdasd is now known as Razoor
07:18 <Ali> That's an interesting name
07:18 <Razoor> someone help me
07:18 <Schism> Interesting modus, too.
07:19 <Ali> Yeah the IP is wierd and the bot only wants to say one thing
07:19 <Schism> You don't see a lot of people doing the creepypasta route.
07:19 <Ali> I give this troll a 1/10 IGN, too much water
07:19 <Schism> Now, now. They might get more interesting if you give them time.
07:20 <ConfusionRift> ...
07:20 <PinkieShy> Let's give them a math problem to prove their human?
07:20 <PinkieShy> What's 200+200?
07:21 <Ali> I would love to do a trick into using a command to auto kick themselves but that would be mean
07:21 <Schism> Yeah, but if you kick them now, they might just rejoin.
07:21 <Ali> I didn't say 'I' was doing the kicking Schism
07:21 <Schism> Oh, fair enough.
07:21 <ConfusionRift> ...that address is oddly familiar...
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07:22 <ConfusionRift> Aaaand it died.
07:22 <Ali> Like I said
07:22 <Ali> 1/10
07:22 <Ali> He bore me
07:23 <Schism> Problem solves itself. We had a troll at my workplace too. Kept trying to find agents who hadn't cottoned onto his nonsense, problem is, we all treated him professionally and didn't deal with his [yay].
07:24 <Schism> When I got him three times in a row, he ghosted each time because I was able to handle his nonsense. :3
07:25 <PinkieShy> I'm going to bed after watching some gotham :) Night everyone.
07:25 <PinkieShy> Have a bless rest of your day <3
07:25 <Schism> "Hi there, [name]! I see you've gotten me again; is there anything I can do to assist you in regards to [client] this evening?"
07:25 <ConfusionRift> "Okay, this is the Chat vs Sonic Mania mod... (sighs)" Ooooh boy.
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07:25 <ConfusionRift> Have a good one Pink-
07:26 <Schism> Yup.
07:27 <Schism> So, ConfusionRift, just out of curiosity, HAVE you managed to beat Celeste?
07:27 <ConfusionRift> Haven't played it yet. I fear for what it might do... in term of my sanity.
07:28 <Ali> See I like knowing if someone questionable is around, I just wait for them to muck up into something I'm allowed to do without screams of abuse of power
07:28 <Schism> I don't think Cepheid has either, though both of you have beaten Hollow Knight when I haven't, so.
07:29 <ConfusionRift> THEN AGAIN, I played that other game that didn't seem to difficult, and ended up being several hours of figuring things out and feeling super stupid.
07:29 <Schism> Ali: If you just enjoy driving the nail into someone who -deserves- it, I don't think you have anything to worry about.
07:29 <Ali> They honestly weren't doing anything YET
07:29 <Schism> Rifty. La-Mulana is... special.
07:30 <ConfusionRift> Schism: I'm at the final final boss in Hollow Knight. Let's say that this particular boss is not fun.
07:30 <Schism> I AM SURPRISED. ...that you haven't yet finished it. You're better at this sort of nonsense than I am.
07:31 <ConfusionRift> If only you knew... of the mess that guy is. :P
07:31 <ConfusionRift> Then again, I wasn't on a calmer state as I kinda am now.
07:33 <Schism> Mr. Oshiro?!
07:33 * Schism sets all the books in order.
07:35 <Schism> ConfusionRift, did you ever... PLAY... URU? Just out of curiosity.
07:35 <ConfusionRift> Last I remember was me flailing for my life, not being able to even bump the boss, and getting skewered hard.
07:36 <ConfusionRift> No, haven't yet. As I mentioned before, was trying to reduce my queue list. Hmmm. Might jump to it.
07:36 <Schism> This is... a much more laid-back experience than you're used to.
07:36 <Schism> Very zen, in a lot of places.
07:36 <ConfusionRift> URU Online, right?
07:37 <Schism> MYST Online, URU Live.
07:37 <Schism> https://mystonline.com/en/
07:38 * ConfusionRift sighs. He feels that some might think he's smart, when he's mostly either lucky or dumb as a plank of wood.
07:38 <Schism> Admittedly, you're going to see a lot of horrors.
07:38 <ConfusionRift> Pffft, horrors. :P
07:39 <Schism> Human horrors. Produced by humans, occupying human forms.
07:39 <Schism> Slave pits and monstrosities.
07:39 <ConfusionRift> Question. Is this... like an MMO? I feel I have asked this before, don't remember.
07:40 <Schism> It is ... KINDA an MMO. Much of what you do will be on your lonesome.
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07:40 <Schism> There are some Ages which need to be done as a group.
07:40 <Golden> Got a tooth extracted..so tired.
07:40 <Schism> Ahnonay will need to be done with at least one other person. But that's the biggest one.
07:41 <ConfusionRift> Wait, account phone verified as well?
07:41 <Schism> Huh, that's new...
07:42 <Schism> I... guess so.
07:42 <Golden> ???
07:42 <ConfusionRift> "All new accounts need to be verified with a cell/mobile phone text message. You will be asked to enter your cell/mobile phone number."
07:42 <Schism> Foo.
07:43 <Golden> What's happening??
07:43 <Schism> Oh, this is something different.
07:43 <Schism> Don't worry, Golden, we're just talking about MYST Online.
07:43 <Golden> Okay.
07:44 <Schism> ConfusionRift: You one of the folks, like me, who doesn't have a cell phone?
07:45 <ConfusionRift> I have one, it just bothers me. More major mainstream accounts don't ask for it, at least by obligation.
07:45 <Schism> It's free, so they want to have some means of verification.
07:47 <Schism> Most other MMOs have a couple other means to check that you are who you are.
07:47 * ConfusionRift kinda doesn't play them.
07:48 <Schism> Ah well. This one's MOSTLY single player.
07:49 <ConfusionRift> Okay, if they're gonna ask for my email, they should label that textbox as "E-Mail Address" and not "Account Name".
07:49 <Schism> It's CYAN, they wouldn't be them if they didn't make the setup process a puzzle as well. :P
07:49 * Cyan_Spark blinks
07:50 <Schism> Wrong Cyan. Though if you want to join us in a puzzle MMO, we're willing to have you.
07:50 <ConfusionRift> "Hohoho! and you thought that was for you to put your own password! Think again." | ...
07:50 * Cyan_Spark shrugs and goes back to doing Cyan things
07:50 <Schism> What.
07:51 <ConfusionRift> Just kidding. :P
07:51 * Schism throws a small fish at ConfusionRift's head. It's red, and gummy.
07:52 <ConfusionRift> There it is. A popup asking for the number
07:52 <Schism> I trust these folks implicitly.
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07:52 <Schism> Probably shouldn't, but.
07:53 * Golden flops. The tooth he had extracted was one thay broke, and he had a root canal on. Along with an additional $1224.30 worth of extra work needed to fix his teeth. He thought he took great care of his teeth.
07:53 <Schism> Account not... oh for fuck's sake.
07:53 <Schism> Pardon my language.
07:55 <ConfusionRift> I hate going through Microsoft Live, and it's memory leaking garbage.
07:56 <ConfusionRift> Gebus, that is a large client.
07:57 <Schism> That it is.
07:57 <Schism> Well, not THAT big. It's a gig.
07:58 * ConfusionRift goes and check something out of curiosity.
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07:58 <ConfusionRift> I remember having an old Maple Story account. I wonder if it's still up.
07:59 <ConfusionRift> ...it is. Kinda.
07:59 <Schism> Good question. X3
08:00 <Schism> You can tell the age of this game just by the chargen. X3
08:01 <Golden> So did you guys hear about the new stuff coming to Battlefront II?
08:03 <ConfusionRift> And it crashed.
08:03 <Schism> It does that.
08:03 <Schism> During chargen?
08:03 <ConfusionRift> Nope, have no idea. Haven't played Battlefront.
08:03 <ConfusionRift> Suppose so?
08:03 <Schism> Ergh. Relaunch, I guess?
08:04 <ConfusionRift> Access Violation... heh? But those are my credentials!
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08:05 <Schism> Va? On the LAUNCHER? That's... that shouldn't.
08:05 <Golden> ConfusionRift: well they fixed it fully from when it first releases. For ROTS they are adding Sequel trilogy maps this month, and next month are adding BB-8 and BB-9E as heroes.
08:05 <ConfusionRift> It's not an account type issue either.
08:06 <Schism> Maybe set the launcher to run in Windows 8 mode.
08:06 <Golden> That or complete restart of the system may help. That should be only of it's that bad.
08:07 <Schism> Golden, I get it, but we're talking about a client written within the Windows XP era.
08:07 <Schism> 'Ew' is just the starting point.
08:08 <Golden> Oh....yeah...good luck
08:08 <ConfusionRift> Nope. Not that.
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08:09 <Schism> Access violation...
08:10 <ConfusionRift> I got the account authenticated, got the verification text, and... wait...
08:10 <ConfusionRift> I wonder...
08:10 <Schism> Windowed mode? Some folks say that fixes it.
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08:11 <Jackie> I might talk a little political here
08:11 <Jackie> But
08:11 <Jackie> Each country has a different kind of administrative level
08:11 <ConfusionRift2> And it's not the VPN either.
08:12 <Schism> No, that's a computer issue. Run it in windowed mode, see what that does.
08:12 <ConfusionRift2> Oh, hold on. Might happen again, sooo...
08:12 <Schism> With Windows 7 SP3 as a mode.
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08:13 <ConfusionRift> For flip sake...
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08:14 <ConfusionRift> Windowed mode... I can't even get the game running!
08:14 <ConfusionRift> It crashes after the login.
08:14 * Cepheid feeds the Rifty clones to the Abyssal God.
08:14 <ConfusionRift> Sure thing. That mirror pool thing was weeeeird.
08:15 <Schism> UruExplorer.exe is what you're looking for... hrmfgh.
08:15 * Golden looks to the mirror pool wondering if he can clone his gundam, and star wars models
08:15 <Schism> UruLauncher crashes?
08:16 * Cepheid notices the God unmaking reality. Removes it from existence via hacking.
08:16 <Jackie> Wht does the US have too many counties
08:17 <Jackie> *Why
08:18 <ConfusionRift> Too many... countries... what.
08:18 <Cepheid> Counties
08:19 <ConfusionRift> Oh... misread, sorry.
08:19 <ConfusionRift> I can only answer with this... (shrugs)
08:19 <Jackie> There is one state that it has 97 counties
08:19 <Jackie> lol
08:20 <Jackie> Is a state big?
08:20 <Schism> Depends on the state.
08:20 <Schism> A county is effectively just a small region within a state.
08:20 <Jackie> So they're like provinces
08:21 <Schism> Correct.
08:21 <Golden> Basically
08:21 <ConfusionRift> We got the US as a whole, then it's divided into states, with each state having their own counties. So yeah, kinda like provinces.
08:21 <Jackie> I mean if counties have their own government
08:22 <ConfusionRift> Schism... can you log into your account and play? Just curious.
08:22 <Jackie> Like exec., legis., and judi.
08:22 <Schism> Yeah, I've just started a new character.
08:22 <ConfusionRift> Hmmmm.
08:23 <Schism> Said character is being very annoyed at ladders.
08:23 <Schism> Which is also my state, so. Anyway, were you able to get a code on your phone?
08:23 <Jackie> Politics is kinda interesting to me lol
08:24 <Jackie> The system itself
08:24 <ConfusionRift> "I got the account authenticated, got the verification text, and... wait..."
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08:24 <Schism> Right...
08:24 <ConfusionRift> I even got the email saying the account is active.
08:25 <Schism> UruExplorer.exe is the one you really want to switch over to Windows 7 SP3.
08:25 <ConfusionRift> Already did. And nada.
08:26 <Schism> O...kay. One moment.
08:26 <Jackie> My country has 13 regions, and 88 provinces
08:27 <Schism> Very strange that doesn't work with that. Try with 8.1 in compatibility, CR?
08:27 <ConfusionRift> Tried switching BOTH the explorer and launcher to Win7 as well, and nope.
08:28 <ConfusionRift> Same issue.
08:28 <Golden> Seems like the launcher itself is fully fried.
08:28 <Schism> OHHHHH. Okay. https://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=28177
08:29 * ConfusionRift thuds.
08:29 <ConfusionRift> I am not liking how they're managing this.
08:29 <Schism> Seems like this is just one of those 'damnit, missing .dlls after the fact' issues.
08:30 <Golden> Ah.
08:30 <Schism> It's a 10+ year old game provided for free, it's not going to be up on... anything.
08:30 * Cepheid feels his brain warp, spasm and go splat. Discontinuation ho-!
08:30 <Golden> My only experience with touchy launchers is getting KOTR to run full screen on windows 10
08:31 * Filly_Nightmares berps at Golden
08:31 * ConfusionRift tries it. "Access Violation!" Slowly turns to Schism.
08:32 <ConfusionRift> Those DLLs were there to begin with. I just basically replaced them.
08:32 <ConfusionRift> Got a stupid idea, gimme a sec.
08:32 * Schism facedesks.
08:33 <Schism> Microsoft. Why do you do this to us?
08:33 <Cepheid> Linux and Apple aren't much better.
08:33 * Golden bleps at Filly_Nightmares
08:33 <Schism> I know, but it's Microsoft that's causing the issue, and so it is Microsoft I entreat.
08:34 <ConfusionRift> Nope, that did not work either.
08:35 <Schism> Fnerdsdcgsblcbh.
08:36 * Jackie lays on Golden
08:36 * Golden bleps again.
08:37 <Schism> Let's... hmmm.
08:38 <ConfusionRift> Gonna re-download the installer.
08:39 <Schism> That won't help. The hell? What mode of... okay, here we go. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=5555
08:39 * ConfusionRift falls in a fetal position. "Not this... NOT THIS AGAAAAIN!"
08:39 <Schism> That's x86, but I'm pretty sure there's no x64 version of the 2010 redistro.
08:40 <Schism> WELCOME TO A DECADE AGO! Here's some popcorn, laced with sugar and sriracha.
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08:41 <Schism> Here we go, this is the 64-bit one. https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/download/details.aspx?id=13523
08:41 <Jackie> en-ca...
08:41 <ConfusionRift> I already got it installed... but okaaaay.
08:41 <Schism> I'm in the frozen north, deal with it.
08:41 <Jackie> You mean Canada
08:42 <Schism> If you've ... um... if you've got it installed, try one more time...?
08:42 * Jackie still finds en-us, en-uk, en-ca, en-au weird
08:42 <ConfusionRift> "It already exists." | I KNOW, just... just cooperate with me, bud.
08:43 <Jackie> Isn't English already compatible with the 4
08:43 <Schism> Jackie, you probably find the colour of our paycheques to be a little bit off, too.
08:43 <ConfusionRift> The colo-hehs of the paywhats? :P
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08:44 <Jackie> Obvious that colour is color
08:44 <ConfusionRift> I see that joke just flew by a mile. :P
08:44 <Schism> "I'd still rather not."
08:45 <Schism> Anyway, we spell things differently.
08:45 <Jackie> But still understand internationally
08:45 <Golden> I spell "gray" as grey
08:45 <Schism> And I spell 'grey' and 'gray' randomly.
08:46 <Jackie> I don't think different spelling is a requirement
08:46 <Jackie> Maybe something used to
08:46 * ConfusionRift is getting a bit tired.
08:46 <ConfusionRift> Same result... a big fat nope.
08:46 <Schism> I have, seriously, when SPEAKING TO A CUSTOMER, used 'cobalt grey' and 'charcoal gray' in unison, without realizing it.
08:47 * ConfusionRift points at the Colorplace swatches.
08:47 <ConfusionRift> Some say grey, and others say gray.
08:47 <Jackie> Are they the same if done hexcode
08:47 <Schism> Colourplace* WHAT THE HELL AM I SAYING gah ffffffff damnit all to hell.
08:48 <Schism> ConfusionRift, you'll like this one. Charcoal is a deep blue.
08:48 <Schism> I'm like, "Exactly what charcoal are you using?"
08:48 <Jackie> Imagine having an OC named "Color Palette"
08:49 <ConfusionRift> I think someone did make an OC by that name.
08:49 <Schism> They're a changeling, and they subsist off the love of painters.
08:49 <ConfusionRift> And there we go. :P
08:49 <Schism> I didn't write them yet. :P
08:49 <Jackie> ConfusionRift, doppelgangers exist for a reason
08:50 * ConfusionRift boops Schism.
08:50 * Schism turns into a changeling.
08:51 * Jackie puts Changeling_Nightmares on Schism
08:52 <ConfusionRift> Okay... gonna try one last thing. If THIS is the problem, then I have to do some major reconfiguring.
08:52 * Schism crosses fingers.
08:53 <Schism> The End of Year Feast in Hogwarts is an important one. The foods are laced with Thief's Downfall: anyone who eats is revealed for their true self. This has, to date, managed to reveal anyone who is disguised -- except for Professor Quirinus Quirrell, who is a spirit inhabiting human flesh, Mr. Harry Potter, who holds a spirit inhabiting human flesh, and Ms. Hermione Granger, who is in fact a library in the form of a human being.
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08:58 <Cepheid> What am I?
08:59 <Schism> Yourself. And what a monstrous statement is that.
08:59 <Cepheid> Heh.
09:01 <Schism> Well, I wouldn't want to live with it.
09:01 <Schism> But you're probably Slytherin/Ravenclaw, same as I.
09:01 <ConfusionRift> The heck is that?
09:02 <ConfusionRift> Weird. My client broke that "I".
09:02 <Schism> Ambitious, and with the idea that the best way to achieve said ambition is through study and intelligence.
09:02 <Schism> .. Be?!
09:03 <Schism> Okay, that's really, really, really weird.
09:03 <Schism> You on the home edition, or the pro edition, of Win10?
09:04 * Ali yawns loudly at ponies and looks for snugs
09:04 * Schism snugs the Ali - with a set of gloves manipulated by a waldo.
09:05 <ConfusionRift> Okay, that was a fluke as well. Gonna to a quick restart, since I installed that framework. Maybe the computer is being dumb about it, again.
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09:05 * Ali boops Schism nosie
09:06 * Schism flops.
09:06 <Schism> I really hope the restart fixes things, and that CR gets to play this game.
09:07 <Schism> It'd really suck if Windows 10 just completely scuppered the damned thing.
09:10 <Schism> You could probably play it at least, Ali. o3o If you were given towards puzzle games.
09:10 * Ali headtilts
09:10 <Schism> URU Live. It's free.
09:11 <Schism> MYST, so it involves a lot of headscratching, writing things down, and beating your head against a wall.
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09:12 <Schism> Welcome back.
09:12 <ConfusionRift> I am back... but the game isn't.
09:13 <Jackie2> Schism, ever get drunk before while typing here,
09:13 *** Jackie2 is now known as Jackie
09:14 <Schism> I am sorry, Rifty, but... you'd have to ask the folks at CYAN at this point. Damnitall.
09:15 <Schism> Reminds me of trying to get some older stuff to work with DOSBOX.
09:16 <Schism> Call stack half full of 0x00000000 ?
09:17 <ConfusionRift> Got two lines with that address.
09:18 <ConfusionRift> wait, what was that website for sharing text files and such?
09:18 <Schism> Which is strange in and of itself.
09:18 <Schism> Pastebin.
09:19 <Schism> I'm going to get some sleep momentarily, I fear -- but this is so -weird- that I'm driven to see it through.
09:20 <ConfusionRift> https://pastebin.com/BQZyKT44
09:20 <ConfusionRift> That error.
09:21 * Ali rolls around, unicorn can't drink, doesn't feel like that's a drawback at all.
09:21 <Schism> I'm not usually given to say this, but at this point, I'd edit the -directory-.
09:22 <ConfusionRift> The... directory?
09:22 <Schism> Give all the files therein full permissions. Sure, you can do that.
09:22 <Ali> Why are all the songs from the 50's-80's so much better than anything we can come up with now?
09:22 * Jackie pats Ali
09:23 * Ali leans into pats
09:23 * Jackie nestles
09:24 <ConfusionRift> Ali: A bit of a theory. That would be because most songs back then were given a feeling and a drive behind them, and they had their meaning. Nowadays, is either electronic, systematic, or different lyrics saying the same thing.
09:24 <Ali> Or cry in your beer country
09:24 <Ali> God country is crap now to me
09:25 <Schism> ConfusionRift, if you right-click the directory for URU Live in the file manager, you'll see Properties -- from there you should be able to give all the files therein full access. It's not usually done because it's a security breach.
09:26 *** Changeling_Nightmares is now known as Filly_Nightmares
09:26 * Filly_Nightmares kneads Ali for warms
09:26 * Ali brushies Filly_Nightmares and blankets her just in case floof is still sickies.
09:26 <Jackie> don't think she's sick anymore hehe
09:27 <ConfusionRift> Same error.
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09:27 <Ali> Did you do a full reinstall?
09:27 <Schism> Then it's the OS being... a pain.
09:27 <Ali> I mean I don't know what's even busted
09:28 <ConfusionRift> Yes, 4 times.
09:28 * Jackie gives Filly_Nightmares a mango slice
09:28 <Schism> I am sorry, CR. Wish I could fix it for you. :<
09:28 <ConfusionRift> And once on a different drive.
09:28 <Ali> Did you check with the techpony channel ConfusionRift?
09:28 <Jackie> Is your HDD dying
09:28 <Ali> Though at 430 am I doubt there's anyone awake
09:28 <Schism> No, this is a client issue, Ali.
09:29 <Schism> Program just doesn't like Win10.
09:29 <Ali> What program?
09:29 <Jackie> Maybe it's old
09:29 <Schism> URU Live.
09:29 <Schism> It is! Really old.
09:29 * Ali doesn't know what that is
09:29 <Schism> CR, is that Windows 10 Pro?
09:30 <Schism> I ask becauuuse, there's a Windows 7 VPN you can run.
09:30 <Jackie> If it's from the Win98 era, high chances of failing
09:30 <ConfusionRift> Already installed the frameworks, the DLLs are there, gave it FULL ACCESS via all accounts, it's on administrator + compatibility mode (tried Win 8, 7, and XP SP3).
09:30 <ConfusionRift> Got the pro version.
09:30 <Jackie> Schism, just how old
09:31 <Jackie> You can't run Win95 programs
09:31 <Schism> Client is... patched from 2007.
09:31 <Schism> CR: Can you set up a win7 virtualization there?
09:31 <ConfusionRift> Maaaan, I forget how to do all that.
09:32 <Jackie> Maybe the program is designed to not run on anything newer
09:32 <Jackie> Microsoft has changed a lot of API
09:33 <Schism> This... MIGHT not work, -but-... https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/download/details.aspx?id=3702
09:34 <Schism> Swear to Eris, there used to be ways to do a VM running XP within 7, so.
09:35 <ConfusionRift> There was, using this software that was included in 7, which no longer is.
09:35 <Schism> FFS, then.
09:36 <ConfusionRift> And that is erroring as well. GREAT!
09:37 <Schism> I'm going to say that's enough for now. I am sorry, and wish you could play it... but best to leave it be for now.
09:37 <ConfusionRift> Gimme a sec... one last shot.
09:38 <Schism> Sure.
09:38 <ConfusionRift> Negative. Never mind. Gonna lay this to rest for now.
09:39 <Schism> There are better options for the time being. Though, le sigh.
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09:39 <ConfusionRift> How old is MYST?
09:40 <ConfusionRift> ...1993.
09:40 <Jackie2> Yeah
09:40 *** Jackie2 is now known as Jackie
09:40 <Jackie> Probably why it's difficult
09:40 <Schism> Nah. URU Live is a bit more recent.
09:41 <Schism> But it's still from the Windows XP era, so...
09:41 <Schism> Anyway, I'm getting some sleep now, so catch you folks around.
09:41 <ConfusionRift> Alrighty, see ya laters.
09:42 <Ali> Sleep? What's THAT
09:43 <Ali> I haven't slept well at all thse last two days.
09:48 * Jackie gives Ali ice cream
09:48 * Ali nopes, too cold for ice cream
09:51 <Jackie> I have a question
09:51 <Jackie> can deaf people type online?
09:52 <ConfusionRift> Eeerm, specifics?
09:53 <Jackie> Like for example, chatting here
09:54 <Ali> Deaf doesn't stop them from using online chats
09:54 <Ali> Blind would be far worse
09:55 <ConfusionRift> ^
09:55 <Jackie> Ali, well..I'm legally blind
09:56 <Ali> Well glasses and other things can help with eye issues but deaf people have little issues with chat rooms, other than no sound for highlights
09:57 <Jackie> Imagine playing video games
09:59 <Ali> I understand dear
09:59 <Ali> I've been restricted to glasses ever since I was like 5
10:00 * ConfusionRift gives up troubleshooting this thing.
10:00 <ConfusionRift> Maybe my system is too modern for this.
10:02 * Jackie rubs Ali's fluff
10:02 * Ali eeps
10:03 <Jackie> uwu
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10:09 <ConfusionRift> Will be right back.
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16:17 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/Pg45FAVaoi6lRid/status/1203013210476965890?s=19
16:31 <Cepheid> Oh gods the zaps be getting worse. I wonder if these are some kind of seizure. I don't lose consciousness or awareness, but it's like I had a momentary lapse of control my muscular system.
16:48 <Cepheid> !link https://youtu.be/lSStFGnN2CA
16:48 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
16:48 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Cat enjoying the blow dryer - 939448
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17:48 <PrincessRainbows> good morning everyhorse
17:52 <Hajnal> Morning.
17:55 * PrincessRainbows waves
18:00 <Hajnal> Sup?
18:01 <PrincessRainbows> nm
18:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: 3D Pony Art Gallery #76 [ http://tinyurl.com/svry3za ]
18:12 <Cepheid> Random tidbit from further EO3 decoding: Game may support up to 30 floors. There's floor name table entries for floors 27 through 30.
18:23 <Cepheid> Anyhow, I got last-minute schoolwork to do, so... *Goes to do that*
18:28 <Cepheid> Whoever claimed that SSRIs don't induce withdrawals needs to be slapped upside the face for protecting companies from claims that the medications are addictive.
18:36 <Stormspark> I'd like to see consequences for people who act as unpaid shills to companies
18:37 <Stormspark> (well paid shills too, but yeah)
18:37 <Stormspark> Stadia is another great example here...Google needs to be slapped down with a false advertising lawsuit, and they need to face MASSIVE fines
18:38 <Stormspark> I was never going to buy into trash like that, but at least some people did (even though it wasn't many) and their marketing campaign for it was outright lies. I didn't even see it until it showed up on youtube because I don't own a TV nor do I ever watch ads
18:38 <Stormspark> but oh my god it's false advertising from hell
18:40 <Stormspark> and yet I still see people defending that trash
18:43 <Cepheid> It was... a nice attempt, but it was doomed to fail from the start by it's very nature, regardless of how well Google pulled it off.
18:43 <Cepheid> The biggest flaw being that you don't own the actual games at all.
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19:02 *** ChanServ sets mode: +qo Ali Ali
19:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by TheSlorg: A Guide to Pony Tears - Season Nine [ http://tinyurl.com/wn5mkoo ]
19:10 <Cepheid> Morning Ali.
19:11 <Ali> Hiya Cepheid
19:11 <PrincessRainbows> ali ali! bounces around
19:11 * Ali brushies PrincessRainbows
19:12 * PrincessRainbows chews on the pony hooves
19:12 <Ali> So Cepheid, what is an API error
19:14 <Cepheid> API - Application Programming Interface. It's the interface by which a programmer does stuff with a library or OS. An API error means that the API was used incorrectly by the programmer. Usually. There's one other way the message can crop up.
19:16 <Cepheid> Basically, the underlying library(files, etc) that the API was a part of have changed drastically, breaking any programs reliant on said library.
19:16 <Cepheid> Long story short, either someone ****ed up, or someone ****ed up.
19:18 <Cepheid> More simply put, "someone, somewhere, effed up."
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19:18 <ADragonDreaming> like the courts, somehow allowing themselves to be convinced that an API is copyrightable.
19:18 <Cepheid> There's a long list of problems.
19:19 <Ali> Well cause Discord is all *yay* right now
19:19 <Cepheid> No, in this case, it's purely programming.
19:19 <Cepheid> Oh.
19:19 <ADragonDreaming> yeah, my comment is a tangent.
19:19 <Ali> Well that's better than cosine
19:19 <Cepheid> If it's Discord, it's likely the API being referenced is the backend. Which means the client needs updating.
19:19 * Ali puns about.
19:20 * PrincessRainbows triangles on Ali
19:20 <Ali> Its says something about most of their datastores are currently degraded
19:20 * Ali thinks PrincessRainbows knows all the right angles *shot*
19:21 <PrincessRainbows> indeed, ali is well-sided
19:22 <Ali> Well I'm more obtuse than acute cause well
19:22 <Ali> I"M NOT CUTE
19:24 <Ali> So Cepheid, ADragonDreaming, they're animating trees and making bugs have footstomps
19:25 <Cepheid> Yep.
19:25 <Cepheid> You asked me to go over the FFF, remember?
19:26 <Ali> Yeah but I didn't know if you read all of it
19:26 <ADragonDreaming> orly?
19:26 <Ali> I mean I read most of the FFF but dang when they get technical it makes my head hurt a bit.
19:27 <Ali> The biggest thing I'm waiting for is the memory saving things
19:27 <Ali> Cause that makes it hard for me to do late game stuff due to the lag
19:28 <Lumindia_> https://i.imgur.com/y72SX7l.jpg
19:28 <Ali> Though if all of this comes as .18, it'll probably break all the mods
19:28 * Lumindia_ sigh
19:29 <Ali> Let me guess, that dork is complaining about you?
19:30 <Lumindia_> we lost before even getting our ults
19:30 <Lumindia_> we got no kills, the healer decided to heck off, declaring it a lost cause
19:30 <Ali> Sounds like a quiter to me
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19:33 <Ali> So anyway ADragonDreaming, .18 should have better memory usage, animated water and trees, and the biters will have sound to their movements
19:33 <ADragonDreaming> nice
19:37 <Ali> So they can't just sneak up on you
19:38 <Ali> I was hoping for an update to the game by now but I think they're just saving it all for the 18 build
19:38 * PrincessRainbows boops Ali with her chewed ball
19:39 * Ali ruffles PrincessRainbows mane and tosses the ball for her.
19:39 <Cepheid> !link https://youtu.be/8Cu0J6gRpPg Such a glorious song for a multi-floor hell dungeon in what is the last 3DS game of the series.
19:39 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Etrian Odyssey Nexus - Music: Yggdrasil Labyrinth
19:39 * PrincessRainbows yays and gallops off
19:39 <Cepheid> I am sad that it is the last 3DS game, and possibly last game period, in the series. Atlus has made no indication further games are coming. And if there are, they'll likely be on the Switch.
19:40 <Cepheid> Worst case scenario, I pick up the torch in their stead, and create a new series that follows the style of the series(Graphically, UI, etc), with my own story.
19:41 <Ali> Yeah Switch is where it would go now
19:41 <Ali> If they deside its worth working on
19:44 <Cepheid> The biggest issue will be map drawing.
19:44 <Cepheid> The Switch has touch screen controls, I'll admit.
19:44 <Cepheid> But they're not as precise as the DS or 3DS, because it's a capacitive touch screen.
19:45 <Ali> Does it? I never really paid attention to that.
19:46 <Cepheid> It does, yes.
19:46 <Cepheid> You can use a capacitive stylus with it. Problem is, again, those aren't the most precise.
19:46 <Ali> Also what's strange is that the system doesn't come with a stylus as far as I know.
19:46 <Cepheid> Attempting to implement the map drawing component of the Etrian Odyssey/Sekaijyu no Meikyuu would be tricky on it.
19:48 <Ali> Have they all been on the DS systems?
19:49 <Cepheid> DS or 3DS, yeah.
19:49 <Cepheid> Most other games which aren't on the DS or 3DS, or on a system even with touch capability(PS Vita, Switch) often implement an automapper instead.
19:49 <Cepheid> That is, it fills in the map for you, walls and all.
19:50 <Cepheid> Not the best approach if you ask me. Removes some of the fun.
19:50 <Cepheid> Even though the recent 3DS games implemented it.
19:50 <Cepheid> You can disable it, though.
19:50 <Ali> Yeah I was just wondering if they did a game prior to the DS
19:51 <Ali> Cause automapper does seem like the only way it can work now due to the singular screen of the Switch
19:51 <Ali> I mean EO /could've/ worked on the Wii U
19:51 <Ali> But that thing was awful
19:58 <Cepheid> Etrian Odyssey started with the DS.
19:58 <Cepheid> Also, it's defining attribute was the map drawing, so continuing the series, they will *HAVE* to implement that somehow. There's only one way they can continue it on the switch, as far as I am concerned.
19:59 <Cepheid> There are games that either require rotating the Switch 90 degrees, or have the option of rotating the game view 90 degrees. A special adapter actually came out because of this, for holding the joycons.
19:59 <Cepheid> Etrian Odyssey could get away with using this approach, and setting half the screen to the game world view, and half the view to the map.
20:00 <Cepheid> Reproducing the DS/3DS feel.
20:00 <Cepheid> Alternatively, the map could just take up one side of the screen.
20:00 * Ali shrugs, not sure how that would be helpful given the non docked screen is pretty small
20:01 * PrincessRainbows returns with the ball and gives it to Ali
20:01 <Cepheid> Larger than the DS and 3DS at least.
20:01 * Ali ruffles PrincessRainbows mane, she want it tossed again?
20:02 <Cepheid> That said, a touch screen isn't necessarily required for map drawing.
20:02 <Cepheid> You can either just have a cursor and manipulate it with the control stick, which is a bit slow if you ask me.. Ooooor..
20:03 <Cepheid> You can use the control stick to move around the grid cell-by-cell.
20:03 * PrincessRainbows is tired horse thus lays down
20:04 <Cepheid> Hit A to place a floor in the selected cell. To draw walls, hold R or L, press X, A, B or Y to draw a wall along the North, East, South or West edges of the selected cell.
20:05 <Cepheid> To select placeable icons, hold the opposite button of the R and L buttons that's used for placing walls, then press Y or A to select an icon, and then press X or B to place the icon.
20:05 <Cepheid> It's not impossible.
20:06 <Cepheid> I have no idea how usable that would be, though. Thoughts, ADragonDreaming? Ali?
20:06 <Cepheid> ... Schism?
20:06 <Ali> Well what about how Mario Maker does it?
20:06 <Ali> 2 that is, cause on Switch
20:06 <Cepheid> Right, right.
20:09 * PrincessRainbows boops Ali's horn instead
20:09 * Ali squeaks
20:11 * PrincessRainbows boops it repeatedly until it sparks
20:21 <Schism> Blurg. No clue. I'm le tired.
20:29 <PrincessRainbows> Ali is an aesthetically pleasing magical equine
20:30 * Ali boops, no trying to call her cute in ways that make it sound like they're not.
20:32 <PrincessRainbows> But ponies are always cute
20:35 <PrincessRainbows> Especially gray ones with (grabs her flank like pinkie) that cutie mark
20:37 <Schism> Cutiecorn. o3o
20:41 <Cepheid> Way I see it, the above input setup would be sufficient for pure joycon control, making the series viable for big-screen stuff.
20:41 <Cepheid> It's, at this point, a question of how best to handle modifications to the map WHILE travelling.
20:43 <Cepheid> Simplest approach would be to implement it as a minimap in the corner of the screen. It has the usual 2x2 region view, and full-map view. Press a button on the controller to switch to map editing mode, which brings the map to full screen.
20:43 <Cepheid> With it auto-centering the cursor on the player.
20:44 * Ali isn't cute
20:46 <Cepheid> Would you say you're something?
20:48 * PrincessRainbows patpats the small magical horse known as Ali. Of course not
20:48 <Ali> Yes, not cute
20:49 <PrincessRainbows> You are totally not adorable
21:03 * Lumindia_ boops the Ali snoot
21:03 <Lumindia_> o wo
21:03 <Lumindia_> oh noes, you've been BOOPED
21:03 * Ali boops Lumindia_ back
21:04 <Lumindia_> well said
21:04 * Lumindia_ scrunchymuzzles in response
21:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Keyboard Ponies - (Bongo Cat Parody) Part 3 [ http://tinyurl.com/s94ymmw ]
21:06 <Schism> Okay. So. There's distracted driving, and then there's this. https://www.ksl.com/article/46686547/video-of-a-man-playing-a-trumpet-while-driving-on-i-15-goes-viral
21:07 <Ali> Also this is why I like IRC over Discord
21:07 <Ali> Cause Discord is shat out right now but IRC is just fine~
21:07 <ADragonDreaming> hm. Discord's working for me
21:09 * PrincessRainbows covers her poor pony ears. Such language! Lol
21:10 * PrincessRainbows also boops Ali with matrix
21:11 <Ali> Not on my end, refuses to sign in
21:15 <Ali> Just sits there telling me about the API issues Discord is having
21:17 * PrincessRainbows isn't missing much anyway, I can text my only friend on there
21:19 <Stormspark> It's actually not Discord's issue, it's Google's issue
21:19 <Stormspark> it is starting to come back up, you should be able to log on soon if you haven't yet
21:33 <Ali> yeah its back up now
21:33 * Ali flops into Stormspark
21:35 <ADragonDreaming> Hm. maybe it was only affecting attempts to sign on.
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21:36 <Lumindia_> It was affecting my ability to send messages
21:36 <ADragonDreaming> Then I dunno!
21:38 <Cepheid> Down for me now.
21:38 * Stormspark oofs belatedly
21:38 <Schism> While it's puerile, childish, and almost certainly not the best thing to be putting onto the verified Twitter account of an entire state, it is nonetheless the most New Jersey thing I have ever seen in my life. https://twitter.com/NJGov/status/1202987038217265152
21:39 <Lumindia_> we have a twitter?
21:39 * Lumindia_ peeks
21:39 <Lumindia_> Pffft
21:39 <Lumindia_> As a lifetime resident of New Jersey... 100% accurate
21:41 * Ali nuzzles into the Stormspark
21:52 * PrincessRainbows chews on her tennis ball
21:53 <Schism> I like how these people are having fun. https://twitter.com/USCPSC/status/1203359223867936768 I mean, seeing a legislature just messing around is a thing of wonder.
21:53 <Schism> So, Lumin, is it a pork roll, or Taylor Ham?
22:02 * Stormspark hugs
22:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #3183 [ http://tinyurl.com/umdgf6g ]
22:10 <Lumindia_> it's taylor ham
22:16 <Schism> Y'suuuuure?
22:18 * Starlight_Glimmer nibbles on Lumindia's ears. "Haaam!"
22:20 * PrincessRainbows sniffs the glimglam and licks
22:24 * Schism noms some spicy kimchi, especially the garlic.
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22:52 * Lumindia_ nibbles GlimGlam's ears in return
22:52 <Lumindia_> o wo
22:52 * Cepheid writes a complete ******* UI subsystem for project, because classmates can't comprehend menus.
22:53 <Ali> Or apperently anything that isn't a copy pasta of the prof's work eh Cepheid
22:54 <Cepheid> These students are lucky I have deity-tier programming and problem solving skills when not being harassed by ADHD. </Ego>
22:55 <Ali> And they're also 3rd years right? Like how did they even get past the first two?
22:56 <Cepheid> I honestly do not know.
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23:35 <Lunanightwind> Hi
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