00:00 <Cepheid> Given my usual health, yeah. My breathing is getting better by the way. I think it might be an allergic reaction. I found myself very itchy this morning before sleep.
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00:01 * Schism nods.
00:01 <Schism> Something environmental. I am glad your breathing's doing better now tho.
00:03 <Cepheid> Okay... what the hell? I just turned on my PC. The only other machine in my room that I have running is the server machine of mine. I *STILL* can't hear my PC.
00:03 <Schism> The benefits of some really good fans.
00:04 <Cepheid> I'm hearing a sound, but I'm not sure which machine it is. *Checks*
00:04 * Cepheid cups ear, listens carefully.
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00:04 <Cepheid> ... It's the server.
00:04 <Ali> And Factorio updated Cepheid
00:04 <Cepheid> Ah.
00:05 <Ali> Also I'm gonna be scared shitless for awhile...
00:05 <Cepheid> Oh?
00:05 <Ali> Storms are coming and I don't do well with them
00:05 <Cepheid> Fun.
00:05 <Ali> Tornado watch is out and one of the cells had the tornatic signature on it
00:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: What The MLP Fandom Does When We Are Bored [ http://tinyurl.com/tqgkctq ]
00:06 <Cepheid> I really should look into making that automatic update script. Or utilizing a pre-existing one.
00:07 <Schism> Lumin: So, the relic weapons. Without giving it away, that chain starts in Kugane, correct?
00:07 <Cepheid> Updated.
00:07 <Cepheid> I remember when one of the two biggest deals about liquid cooling was that it was quiet, in comparison to fans. Guess it no longer holds that distinction.
00:08 <Cepheid> Even liquid cooling systems make use of fans these days anyways.
00:08 <Ali> Oy...black on the radar...never good.
00:08 <Cepheid> And with respect to cooling power... mmm.. Given at idle, I'm around 35C now, that's... yeah.
00:09 <Cepheid> That said, I find it hilarious how running a 4k display actually seems to cause enough load that all the cores run at 4GHz by default.
00:10 <Cepheid> I know what's causing it though, and unfortunately, there isn't anything I can do about it.
00:10 <Lumindia_> D: !
00:10 * Lumindia_ hugs Ali tightly
00:10 <Lumindia_> Noooo Ali
00:10 * Cepheid hugs Ali. "Keep safe."
00:11 <Ali> God so much black
00:11 <Ali> I mean I've seen magenta on the radar before
00:11 <Ali> But this is dark black and not a single local station seems to care? Let me check.
00:12 <Ali> Nope, not a single local weather station is reporting on the storms
00:14 <Cepheid> Not surprised. The same happens here in Ottawa when major storms approach.
00:14 <Ali> Well this is stupid
00:14 <Ali> Cause by law if you're under a Tornado watch and they issue a Severe Thunderstorm Warning, it sets the Tornado sirens off.
00:14 <Finwe> o3o
00:15 * Finwe hats on Ali.
00:15 <Finwe> Mr Lumindia_.
00:15 * Finwe doffs himself.
00:15 * Cepheid frees up some space on PC.
00:15 <Ali> And after numerous false alarms, I'd say about 85% of people ignore the sirens when it goes off now.
00:15 <Cepheid> Ali, aren't the sirens meant to be for when a tornado is actually seen and headed in the city direction?
00:15 <Ali> That's the thing
00:16 <Finwe> Bedtiem?
00:16 <Ali> A severe thunderstorm can spawn a tornado
00:16 <Finwe> !lullaby
00:16 * DerpyBot carries Finwe off to bed
00:16 * DerpyBot tucks Finwe in and hums a lullaby
00:16 <Finwe> !sunshine
00:16 <DerpyBot> I'm walking on sunshine!
00:16 <DerpyBot> I'm walking on sunshine!
00:16 <DerpyBot> and don't it feel good!
00:16 <Ali> So they blow the siren just in case
00:16 <Ali> I guess also as a warning to gtfo inside
00:17 <Schism> Oh dear. Crafting/Gathering Relic Tools.
00:18 * Cepheid sighs. He might not be able to play tonight.
00:19 <Ali> Game being stupid or something else
00:19 <Cepheid> Deeefinitely not tonight.
00:19 <Cepheid> My 2FA is borked.
00:19 <Ali> 2FA?
00:19 * Ali headtilts
00:19 <Cepheid> 2-Factor Authentication.
00:20 <Cepheid> I could have sworn I put all the details in my wallet, but it looks like that's gone now.
00:21 <Cepheid> But it appears when I moved to the new phone, despite the transfer progress *INSISTING* everything, and I mean *EVERYTHING* was transfered, it didn't transfer some stuff.
00:21 <Cepheid> And the 2FA app was reset.
00:21 <Cepheid> So I can't log into my account.
00:21 <Ali> Fun times
00:22 <Schism> Cepheid: Oh, crudcakes. ._. You should be able to reset that somehow...
00:22 <Cepheid> On top of it all, my Internet seems all borked.
00:22 <Cepheid> Yeah, it's not the first time I've reset it.
00:22 <Ali> The internet has been borked a lot more due to higher traffic
00:23 <Schism> Hmm. https://support.na.square-enix.com/faqarticle.php?kid=12832&id=496&la=1 ?
00:23 <Cepheid> Yep.
00:23 <Cepheid> The problem Schism is that I need to log into the account in the first place.
00:23 <Schism> Ah, yeah. ._.
00:24 <Cepheid> It's not the first time. Won't be the last.
00:24 <Schism> Well, can't you log into the website like this?
00:26 <Ali> Bleh, 2am Tornado Watch..
00:27 <Cepheid> I can't log into anything, Schism.
00:27 <Ali> You'd still have to be able to get support
00:28 <Schism> Foo. Just... foo.
00:29 <Ali> And since you have more free times we could do SV if you ever get boreds :3c
00:30 <Ali> And there they go
00:30 <Ali> Hmmm that is very stupid and odd
00:31 <Ali> Storms are two counties away, why are they blowing the sirens now
00:33 <Cepheid> Submitted a ticket.
00:34 <Cepheid> I really want to know why HWInfo says those two sensors are reporting temperatures in the millions, and a CPU OPT fan speed in the millions.
00:35 <Cepheid> I'm assuming it's a bug in the software.
00:35 <Ali> Could be
00:35 <Cepheid> Gotta say though, seeing a CPU that usually rested at 60C in idle, now resting at 32C idle is nice.
00:35 <Ali> But lordy I wish they would change the siren effects
00:35 <Ali> Cause they just went off and there's not a storm for another 20-40 minutes
00:35 <Ali> I get early warning, but this is a bit rediculous
00:36 <Cepheid> So, now that the thermal paste has had time to bake in, let's see..
00:37 <Cepheid> At 4GHz overclock, full load with Prime95(A situation that'll never actually happen in gaming, for the record..)
00:37 <Cepheid> 72C.
00:37 <Cepheid> The thermal throttling limit is 95C.
00:38 <Ali> Mine is idling at 60C Cepheid
00:39 <Cepheid> For a stock cooler that's about normal.
00:40 <Cepheid> Final temp, 73C after a few minutes of running Prime95. Thermal limit is 95. Recommended limit is 85. And since this is UNDER FULL 100% LOAD, this indicates I can go a bit further with overclocking if I want.
00:40 <Ali> Not sure if stock, since it was semi custom
00:40 <Cepheid> No game will load the CPU as much as this right now.
00:41 * Ali has never heard of Prime95
00:42 <Cepheid> It's a program designed for calculating large prime numbers. It's primarily used for stress testing memory and CPU overclocks, though.
00:42 <Cepheid> Because it can be set up to put the system under extreme load, generating max heat, or max power, etc.
00:43 <Cepheid> Usually when a major overclock is performed, it's best to run Prime95 afterwards for a full 24 hours to test stability.
00:43 <Cepheid> If it survives 24 hours, you're usually considered good.
00:48 <Cepheid> So yeah, at full load, I can hear the fans, definitely. Still quieter than the stock cooler BY ITSELF.
00:51 <Cepheid> Oh, they finally updated the FF14 launcher, did they?
00:51 <Schism> Yup, that they did.
00:51 <Cepheid> Still not DPI aware, though.
00:51 <PinkieShy> This free game is harder and harder level by level dang.
00:51 <PinkieShy> Even harder than the OG mario
00:52 <Schism> Gonna be sending off an e-mail to Squeenix support, Cephy?
00:52 <Cepheid> I use a 200% scaling at 4k to make the 4k Windows UI layout look closer to 1920x1080.
00:52 <Cepheid> Already did.
00:52 * Schism noddles.
00:52 * Ali licks Schism nosie
00:53 <PinkieShy> Do you think twitch would allow me to stream a game that is political
00:53 <Schism> Probably.
00:54 <Cepheid> Yes.
00:54 <Cepheid> The problem you'll have is the people watching the stream.
00:55 <Cepheid> So, after a few hours of X4 Foundations... Yes, the game runs slowly around stations, but I'm willing to forgive it, because there's apparently a good reason for this now.
00:55 <Cepheid> Outside of the initial load, which apparently induces a memory strain load of NINE GIGABYTES, there are no load screens.
00:56 <Cepheid> And the transitions between sectors are silky-smooth. Like, no pauses, no hitching, nothing.
00:57 <Cepheid> Which means that the game actually has pretty much the entirety of the game world loaded into memory. It's likely running a full "universe" simulation constantly.
00:57 <Schism> ... Huh.
00:58 <Cepheid> And it's pretty impressive for one other reason.
00:59 <Cepheid> It's being run almost entirely in one thread. The game uses up to three threads, but one thread is used for the simulation, while the others appear to be for something else. Possibly managing memory or resources.
00:59 <Cepheid> The slowdown isn't due to graphics bogging things down. It's being caused by the CPU that's running the simulation being loaded so hard that it slows down graphics rendering.
01:00 <Cepheid> This is an example of why single-thread performance is generally still considered the best factor in making a CPU purchase for gaming.
01:00 <Cepheid> Games mostly still run on a single thread. Even Factorio suffers from this.
01:01 <Cepheid> The game uses a wide array of rendering threads, but that's just rendering.
01:01 <Cepheid> The logic of the game, that is, updating positions of items, processing construction of items, etc, etc, etc..
01:01 <Cepheid> That's all on a single thread.
01:03 <Cepheid> The reason for this is determinism.
01:03 <Cepheid> If you start processing worlds on multiple CPU cores, then determinism goes out the door unless you do a lot of synchronization, at which point the performance gains tend to go out the door.
01:06 <PinkieShy> Finally got through this world 2-4
01:06 <PinkieShy> err 4-2***
01:06 <Cepheid> Nowadays, and currently, most games use multithreading to handle resource loading(Commonly seen in the form of texture streaming, where textures start off low resolution and increase in quality over time as higher resolutions are loaded), and to improve rendering performance through APIs like Vulkan, DX12 and Metal by using multiple command streams among other things(I think, anyways. I haven't worked with those APIs
01:06 <Cepheid> personally.)
01:09 <PinkieShy> heh beat the game..
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01:11 <Schism> For some reason I kind of want to get a big glass container and make up a huge pot of cold brew coffee.
01:13 <Cepheid> I actually feel like I want another coffee, myself.
01:13 <Cepheid> Hum. Egosoft will have to fix that issue I think. Tutorials can cause you to unlock achievements you're not supposed to get ASAP. :P
01:13 <Cepheid> Hum, another update for NMS too.
01:14 <Cepheid> Only thing that catches me off guard with X4.
01:14 <Cepheid> Guess how large the save files are.
01:15 <Schism> I would bet... a gig?
01:16 <Cepheid> A brand-new save starts off at around 250MiB.
01:16 <Schism> Not too shabby.
01:16 <Cepheid> My last one after about 8 hours of gameplay was 290MiB. That said..
01:17 <Cepheid> The game can be set to compress the save files.
01:17 <Cepheid> Since the files are plaintext(They're massive XML files, apparently), they compress pretty densely, to boot.
01:17 <Cepheid> 290MiB will become about 22MiB.
01:22 <Schism> Oh, nice. Though that increases the first-time load, that's very impressive.
01:22 <Schism> Er, not 'first-time'.
01:23 <Cepheid> Yeah, it does.
01:23 <Cepheid> Well, first-time load of the save and the game data, yes.
01:23 <Schism> Yeah.
01:23 <Cepheid> That said, saving is... a slow process because it's all text.
01:23 * Schism nods.
01:23 <Schism> ... oh good gods, who designed these gathering relics. .-.
01:23 <Cepheid> About 15 seconds at last check.
01:24 <Schism> Not too bad even then, though.
01:24 <PinkieShy> ... Just caught myself picking at my nails again.. >_>
01:24 <PinkieShy> If i don't stop this i'll probably end up with another ingrown nail on my other foot... and I don't need that.
01:25 <PinkieShy> I just had to trim it rather shorter than recommended as I got it ripped a little and had to correct it some way..
01:25 <Cepheid> Better than what I do, man.
01:26 <Cepheid> I have this really bad habit of digging my big toenails into the skin of my big toes.
01:29 <PinkieShy> I am taking multivitamins again which has Biotin in it.. So hopefully that will help me :)
01:36 <Schism> Guh. I should probably keep a better log book of my meds, because sometimes my mind is like a thingy that lets fluids through while holding back solids of an appreciative size.
01:36 <Schism> Appreciable*
01:37 <Cepheid> Heh.
01:38 <Cepheid> Hum, definitely need to improve this ship's thrusters. When it's loaded down with ore, it turns like a beached whale.
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01:52 * Cepheid starts feeling the distant pangs of a headache. "Tylenol time."
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01:55 <Schism> Now to collect 510 HQ dark matter.
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02:05 <Schism> 165 down. .-.
02:08 * Cepheid sits in space, reads manual.
02:09 * Schism waits for GP to regenerate so that he can make the most of these nodes.
02:11 <Cepheid> Hum, still got that vibrational tone from the case fans. Need to investigate what's causin' the noise. I suspect it's insufficient stability on the case fans. Will investigate another time though.
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02:25 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #2125 [ http://tinyurl.com/ssfp23p ]
02:40 <Cepheid> ... That's why I can't buy that. Wrong cargohold type. Dang.
02:42 <Cepheid> Hum, how much for a trading ship...? 200,000 credits for the base.
02:42 <Cepheid> Total cost after equipment... 360,000.
02:43 <Cepheid> I have... 30,000.
02:45 <PinkieShy> I think i need to turn this PC off for a few minutes to an hour
02:46 <PinkieShy> Street light went off after a giant buzz sound and a very powerful blue light..
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02:46 <PinkieShy> Hopefully not a power surge or transformer blew..
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02:46 <Ali> Cepheid, sounds about right
02:49 <Cepheid> Ironically I can get a medium-sized ship designed for transporting goods for less. Interesting how that works out.
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02:52 <Cepheid> I'm afraid to look at the cost for a station. Or heavens forbid an XL ship.
02:52 <Schism> Hehe.
02:54 <Cepheid> Let's see... Size XL. Builder. Required for station building, for obvious reasons. Wonder what the interior layout's like on 'em.
02:54 <Cepheid> 11.5 million credits.
02:54 <Cepheid> That's just for the BASE. No equipment.
02:55 <Cepheid> Meanwhile carrier class ships are 16 million.
02:57 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/Z9VUbGN.png This is the builder. See that rectangular thing with the orange circle/lines on it? That's a medium ship dock. That red circle? That's a small ship dock. That's how large these things are.
02:57 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, stations are even *LARGER* and yes, you can build them.
02:58 <Ali> And just what is this game?
02:59 <Schism> Giant space sim like Elite: Dangerous but more, looks like.
02:59 <Cepheid> X4: Foundations. It's part of a series of space exploration/story/market simulator.
02:59 <Ali> That is way out of my price range
03:01 <Cepheid> ... Oh, oh dear. I've been mining the wrong stuff. Nividium has the same density, but is worth nearly ten times as much as regular Ore. And there's a station relatively close by that is buying it.
03:03 <Schism> Whurp. I've done that sort of thing way too many times.
03:04 <Cepheid> I'm looking at 107,100 or so credits for delivering this load. Which is better than the ~10,000 I was getting for regular ore. Few of these shipments, I can easily purchase a medium transporter, and set my current AI pilot to pilot *THAT* ship instead.
03:06 <Schism> Wheeeeew. Dragonsung Pickaxe get.
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03:19 <Dranae> Cepheid, are you playing EVE?
03:22 <Cepheid> No.
03:22 * Dranae waits to hear.
03:24 <Schism> 475 pickaxe... well, it's a nice bonus it is. And having purple items in my inventory again is always good to see...
03:25 <Schism> But yeesh, I've got two more of those tools to upgrade.
03:25 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Roseluck Music: Acouste Wholenote - Stuck [Punk Rock] [ http://tinyurl.com/s7qr5kd ]
03:25 <Schism> And then, AND THEN, the joy of the crafting tools... which isn't so bad, really.
03:26 <Dranae> What are you playing, then?
03:29 <Cepheid> X4: Foundations.
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04:11 * Sleeping_Nightmares lickies Dranae
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04:33 <Cepheid> Riiight, I need to eat something and soon.
04:45 * Cepheid reads a headline on /r/NotTheOnion
04:45 * Cepheid nopes the hell outta dodge.
04:47 <Cepheid> Well, if I ever contract COVID-19, aside from being confined to a hospital, my cat is really not gonna like how I treat him. Apparently cats can contract it.
04:48 <Golden> Oh dear
04:49 <Cepheid> Cats and Ferrets appear to be susceptible to it. Dogs, pigs, chickens and one other animal, not so much.
04:54 * Cepheid starts giving orders to captains in game, so they do everything for him, more or less.
05:02 * Ali flops over Cepheid and nuzzles
05:07 <Ali> God sometimes I wish I could just converse like a normal person >.<
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05:09 * Cepheid goes and learns Python.
05:18 <Cepheid> Aaaand I learned why I shouldn't leave the game alone.
05:19 <Cepheid> Well, either way, I'm gonna be laying down in a bit. Feeling off.
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05:23 <PinkieShy> Power didn't go out so that's a plus :)
05:23 <PinkieShy> Just street light went out but it came back home.. So power surge I guess is possibly (Power went out and came back on instantly)
05:25 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Roundup #1508 [ http://tinyurl.com/tymeffu ]
05:28 * Ali grabbies PinkieShy and huggles tightly.
05:28 * PinkieShy licks Ali a bunch
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05:29 * Ali squeaks, she didn't want to be lickified
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05:31 <PinkieShy> Okay okay
05:31 * PinkieShy hugs Ali
05:32 * Ali nuzzles, just unicorn has been a bit spooked by storms.
05:33 <PinkieShy> There isn't any storms here at all
05:33 <PinkieShy> So I'm just surprised the street light did go out though like that.
05:33 <PinkieShy> Probably the electrical grid getting overloaded with everybody staying home I guess.
05:40 <Ali> THere was here.. I just hate storms but glad I had my noise cancelers on.
05:44 <PinkieShy> Speaking of noise cancelers..
05:44 <PinkieShy> I need to get the stronger ones from Lowes soon..
05:44 <PinkieShy> Cutting grass or even using a pressure washer with 25db rated ones..
05:44 <Cepheid> .. So... I'm allergic to something that's on my bed. Not sure what it is, it wasn't there before last night, that much I know. And all I did last night was wash the sheets and put on an anti-allergen sheet.
05:44 <PinkieShy> It doesn't help enough.. >_>
05:45 <PinkieShy> I probably need the ones that are recommended for like gun users those type of noise cancellers..
05:47 <Cepheid> https://tapas.io/episode/360444
05:48 <Ali> PinkieShy, I'm using Bose for everyday stuff
05:49 <Ali> I don't know if I need something even stronger but I don't know if there is something stronger than these noise canceling headphones.
05:56 <Ali> And my game crashed, weeee
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06:00 <PinkieShy> Pff werewolf broke for me..
06:00 <PinkieShy> I was able to see everybody's house in the game and everything else beyond that.
06:00 <Ali> Whoops
06:14 <Cepheid> Hum. I think it might be this pillow that's causing trouble for me. Removed it from my bed, my breathing's getting better.
06:14 <Cepheid> I'm starting to think that it might be a worthwhile effort to wash my sheets, comfortor and pillow case on a fairly regular basis.
06:27 <Cepheid> Hilariously? This is one of the areas where the lockdown does affect me.
06:27 <Ali> Eh?
06:27 <PinkieShy> I'm going to go watch Halloween town high..
06:28 <PinkieShy> Bye everyone. Have a good night and a good tomorrow :D
06:28 * PinkieShy hugs everyone
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06:28 <Cepheid> A couple of days before the lockdown hit and all the hospitals closed themselves to emergencies only, I was asked to get bloodwork done, a special kind of bloodwork. Also, samples of what was in my lungs for the doctors to examine.
06:28 <Cepheid> The bloodwork is key, though.
06:28 <Cepheid> Problem is, I can only get that bloodwork done at a hospital.
06:29 <Cepheid> The bloodwork was going to check me for a particular, uncommon blood issue that exhibits symptoms of an allergy episode.
06:31 <Ali> Ok?
06:31 <Cepheid> I can't get the bloodwork done, so we can't check for the condition, and if I did have it, there are treatment options for it.
06:33 <Cepheid> Put more simply, I can't do anything to identify the problem, and thus, can't do anything to treat it.
06:33 <Ali> Annoying
06:33 <Ali> Just like how I can't get help right now cause of this stuff
06:34 <Ali> I'm low risk austism. Getting new staff for me is like the LAST thing on anyone's mind
06:35 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: <unspecified> [ http://tinyurl.com/v6t435g ]
06:38 * Cepheid revives an old project of his to do alongside Game Project #1.
06:38 * PrincessRainbows licks the Ali a lot and hugs
06:41 * Cepheid handles a python.
06:42 * Ali hugs PrincessRainbows tightly
06:43 * PrincessRainbows whimpers and yawns too
06:43 <PrincessRainbows> I have to be up in 6 hours :(
06:44 * PrincessRainbows grabs her pacifier and curls up under Ali for a while
06:45 * Ali brushies PrincessRainbows so much.
06:47 * PrincessRainbows makes upset horse noises and decides to actually try to sleep
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06:49 * PrincessRainbows also borrows an Ali plushie and goes sleepy. Nini
06:49 <Ali> night PrincessRainbows
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07:13 * Cepheid screams at the math he is trying to figure out.
07:13 <Ali> Math is funs
07:16 <Cepheid> Especially when you are trying to work within constraints such as limitations on how low or how high a number can go.
07:16 <Ali> I remember Algebra 2 and I never used a calculator
07:18 <Cepheid> I won't go into great detail, but the short long of it is that I had a problem wherein a particular trigonometry operation would break the application under certain circumstances I plan to let happen in this other project of mine.
07:19 <Ali> Was it the sine of the cosine of the tangent?
07:19 <Cepheid> Not quite.
07:19 <Ali> Never did well with pre cal
07:19 <Cepheid> You're familiar with the hypotenuse of a right triangle?
07:19 <Ali> Cause High School thought it was a bright idea to have such a class exist first period
07:19 <Cepheid> Honestly, math first thing in the morning is better than math at the end of the day.
07:20 <Cepheid> The more tired you are by the time you get to the math class, the harder it is to grasp and understand.
07:20 <Ali> Term escapes me but I know that a right triangle is 90 on one and 45 on the others?
07:20 <Ali> Or 135 depending I guess
07:21 <Cepheid> Not quite. 90 degree angle, the other two angles are acute and range from 0 to 45 degrees.
07:21 <Cepheid> Hypotenuse is the long line, opposite the 90 degree angle.
07:22 <Ali> I barely remember obtuse and acute angles, let alone that
07:22 <Cepheid> Anyways, the usual calculation of it is the square root of (width * width) + (height * height)
07:22 <Ali> bleh square roots
07:23 <Cepheid> Problem I'm having is that width * width and height * height could potentially exceed the range of the data types I'm using. Which means bugs.
07:23 <Ali> Yay bugs
07:24 <Cepheid> So, I have to define it in other terms.
07:24 <Ali> Seems like Rifty isn't gonna be around.
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07:25 <Cepheid> Hmm...
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07:27 <Ali> I'm guessing everyone stopped after I logged off
07:27 <Cepheid> Yerp.
07:28 <Cepheid> I started getting tired around the same time.
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07:32 <ConfusionRift> ...
07:32 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony?
07:32 <Ali> Speaking of Rifty
07:33 * Ali hugs ConfusionRift
07:33 * ConfusionRift huggles Ali back.
07:33 <ConfusionRift> Was trying to finish Timespinner... there's more to do.
07:34 <ConfusionRift> So, stopping that for now.
07:36 * Ali nods and huggles ConfusionRift
07:40 <ConfusionRift> Guessing you guys are on the server?
07:41 <Cepheid> I'm not. Busy with trig.
07:42 <Ali> Yeah I'm not either
07:45 <Cepheid> Honestly I dunno what to do at the moment, 'cause I really shouldn't be doing *ANYTHING*. I have a headache, it feels like someone's drilling into my head. And the pain is extreme enough I'm getting chills and cold sweats.
07:46 <Ali> Sometimes you gotta work thru the pain
07:47 <Cepheid> Anyhow, I figured out how to calculate incomprehensibly large distances without causing overflows in mathematics.
07:47 <Cepheid> It's not 100% accurate, but, it's sufficiently accurate for my needs.
07:50 <Cepheid> I can now express that an object is, in fact, 1,000,000,000,000 or more meters away from you without the computer freaking out.
07:51 <Ali> Yes cause you need to know if something is one trillion meters away from you
07:51 <Ali> Or is that quadrillion?
07:52 <Ali> No it's trillion
07:52 * Ali bleps
07:52 * ConfusionRift flops.
07:53 <Cepheid> Trillion. Yeah.
07:53 <ConfusionRift> Okaday. Might get back to the other game, but after making some foooooods.
07:53 <Cepheid> This project is a game set in space, so..
07:53 <Cepheid> Yes, astronomical distances like that are actually needed.
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07:55 <Cepheid> Fun note, the maximum distance this approach can conceivably support is 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 meters. To give you an idea as to how astronomically large that distance is, the speed of light is approximately 299,792,458 meters per second. It would take 61531714962.988000235 seconds for light to traverse that distance. That's 1025528582.716466671 minutes. 17092143.045274445 hours. 712172.626886435 days. 1951.157881881
07:55 <Cepheid> Earth years.
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07:59 <Cepheid> The solar system is approximately 287 billion kilometers in diameter.(It actually depends on what you use for the definition, but I'm just picking the first result from Google, so it might not even be right.) That amounts to 0.002% the above distance. So yeah, if I wanted to, I could support arbitrarily large distances. Do I want to? Heavens no, I'm limiting it to approximagely 250 billion kilometers radius. Go outside
07:59 <Cepheid> that radius somehow, you die. Average game area will be far within that range for the sake of making travel reasonable, but the limit will still be there.
08:00 <Ali> So Tia is sitting at the foot of my computer chair and cries. I talk back to her to come up here, she sits there and cries.
08:00 <Ali> I'm confused
08:02 * Finwe confuzzles Ali a bit more.
08:02 <Ali> She's just sitting there, looking up at me
08:03 <Ali> I'm trying to get her to come up here, but she doesn't move
08:03 <Finwe> *meow* *meow* *meow*
08:03 <Ali> Pretty much
08:03 <Ali> I meow at her, she'll meow back.
08:03 <Cepheid> She wants you to pet her and pay attention to her while she's in the floor, more or less. Scratch behind the ears.
08:04 <Cepheid> She's not looking to get on your lap, but she is looking for attention, so petting her or scratching her ears might be what she wants. It's what Spitfire and Tizzy sometimes do with me.
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08:08 * ConfusionRift meows at Ali. ._.
08:08 <Cepheid> Hmm. This is going to require some planning ahead of time before I start the code, unlike my other game. Some mechanics and concepts that need some thinking.
08:09 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionCat.
08:09 <Finwe> o7
08:10 <Cepheid> See, let's say I make this a space game, fine and dandy. You can go mine asteroids, fine and dandy again. But the problem here? I'm designing it to have "accurate" scales. So asteroid belts will be absolutely massive, and pretty much contain an infinite number of asteroids and other debris. I cannot simply generate every single asteroid, and then try to track it and save it. That's not possible on current hardware.
08:10 <Finwe> https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ovimx
08:10 <Ali> Yeah Tia is being a little attention butt, she wanted to be pet
08:12 <Finwe> Ali: Tell me, Ma'am, have you confused your cat recently?
08:12 <Ali> All the times
08:13 <Ali> I talk to them and they're like HUH you talkin to me?
08:17 <Finwe> So nothing near what Confuse-a-Cat LTD does.
08:25 * ConfusionRift is seems bouncing on a pogo stick, and then disappears.
08:30 <Finwe> :3
08:38 <Ali> But 1.4 Terraria doesn't exist yet
08:43 <Finwe> It should exist to some extent. The release is way past the originally announced date.
08:43 <Finwe> According to the original plans, it was to be released last year.
08:44 <Cepheid> Turns out game updates take time to make. Who knew?
08:45 <Ali> No way
08:46 <Finwe> It also turns out that the error in estimating the release date is strongly biased to negative values.
08:46 <Finwe> And the cost estimates usually behave similarly.
08:49 <Cepheid> The basic process taught to students in CS and programming in general is "take your estimate, add half of that to your estimate."
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09:10 * Cepheid defines a bunch of basic details for this project. Stores them in a folder for later review and revision. Will spend some time working on a design document first this time.
09:10 <Cepheid> Mostly 'cause I want to make this an open-source thing, with other people helping.
09:58 * Cepheid plays some Heretic.
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10:08 * ConfusionRift isn't sure why he's looking at sorting again.
10:10 <Cepheid> Heh.
10:11 <ConfusionRift> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmT3XUBoxiQ
10:11 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Sorts 2018 - Horizontal Pyramid
10:11 <Cepheid> Yep, I've seen that one.
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10:38 * ConfusionRift goes back to Timespinner.
10:38 * Cepheid is on edge. Isn't sure what to do.
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10:39 <Cepheid> Not helping that my chest is itching and scratching as if I'm having an allergic reaction.
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10:55 <RazorSharpFang> Apparently I'll be doing remote-support for the Epirock PV-271 and Cat MD6250 Platform Mining drills come Thursday.
11:05 <Finwe> Mr Fang.
11:05 * Finwe doffs his hat.
11:05 <RazorSharpFang> Hey Finwe
11:05 <RazorSharpFang> My workplace has gone back to paper timesheets for some reason.
11:10 <Finwe> The development leads towards computerless office.
11:10 <Finwe> Or was it "paperless"?
11:15 <RazorSharpFang> It is pretty ridiculous. Demonstrates how terrible our accounting software is that we had to do this.
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11:25 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1897 [ http://tinyurl.com/sb5fjsk ]
11:29 <Cepheid> Ye know what I haven't done in ages? I always take showers, that's fine and dandy. But I haven't had a good, long, warm bath in ages. I think I'll change that today.
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12:02 <ConfusionRift> And Timespinner is dooone. Just have a couple of achievements missing and one entry, which requires NG+.
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12:04 * PrincessRainbows raises her front hooves towards ConfusionRift with teary eyes. Uppy?
12:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Reflections of Harmony Event Live on Gameloft MLP Game [ http://tinyurl.com/tjj9rnw ]
12:06 * ConfusionRift grabbies and pets PrincessRainbows. :P
12:20 <Cepheid> Mmmm. That was a good idea, the bath.
12:21 <Cepheid> Between the bath and following shower, I actually feel clean now.
12:21 <Cepheid> Which is good, because I've felt itchy for the last several days, like I was having an allergic reaction to something.
12:31 * PrincessRainbows boops ConfusionRift and whimpers
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12:54 * Schism wakes up. Takes Lantus. Considers what to food, but first makes up a big pot of strong, strong tea.
12:57 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5WJVMCn2cQ
12:57 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
12:57 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about 50+ Sorts, Visualized - Horizontal Pyramid
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13:06 <Cepheid> The most interesting property of sorts, really, is stability.
13:06 <Cepheid> Stability is "how to handle identical instances" to put it simply.
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13:07 <Cepheid> You have a list, [8, 3, 2, 2, 2, 4, 5]. It's pretty obvious how to sort it. We get [2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8].
13:08 <Cepheid> But the problem is, is [2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8] distinct from [2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8] or [2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8]? Does it matter? *Looks crazy now*
13:09 <Cepheid> The problem is in the fact that in the original list, [8, 3, 2, 2, 2, 4, 5], we have three instances of the number 2, stored at index 2, 3, 4, in that order. Each 2 is distinct. Some algorithms will sort them by placing the 2 at index 4, before the 2 at index 2, and so on.
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13:10 <Finwe> Distinguishabilitiy or indistinguishability of those elements is a matter of definition.
13:10 <Cepheid> A stable sort is where the order of duplicate instances in memory is retained. That is, the 2 at index 2 comes first, the 2 at index 3 comes second, and the 2 at index 4 comes third, even after the list has been sorted.
13:11 <Cepheid> An unstable sort meanwhile, the ordering of duplicate entries is irrelevant.
13:16 <Cepheid> The heap sorting algorithms, meanwhile... They are more a side effect of the nature of the heaps themselves.
13:18 <Cepheid> A heap is a data structure that, when implemented, and then filled with data, will ensure that the largest or smallest value is always at the root node. As a result, if you have a max heap of integers, and insert a set of numbers, then each time you remove the maximum value in the heap, the next highest value will be placed at the top of the heap.
13:19 <Cepheid> Basically, sorting with them simply involves taking the jumbled set of numbers, shoving them into the heap, then repeatedly extracting the maximum value until the heap is empty.
13:20 <Cepheid> Works the same way with a min heap, only in that case, you have to apply a reverse operation on the output to get the correct ordering.
13:21 <Cepheid> As for why there are so many danged algorithms in the first place. Many of them are designed for specific scenarios. Limited RAM. Certain types of instructions supported/not supported by a CPU architecture. Size of the sets to be sorted. Stability.
13:22 <Cepheid> A fast, complicated algorithm could actually be slower on a set of 200 integers than a slow, simple algorithm on the same 200 integers, for example.
13:27 * PrincessRainbows chews on Finwe's hooves
13:28 * Finwe hoof-wiggles.
13:28 <Finwe> !plot
13:28 <DerpyBot> *wigglewiggle*
13:28 <Cepheid> As for why sorting is so important, among many other reasons, it makes searching quick.
13:28 <Finwe> *wigglewiggle*
13:29 <Finwe> Cepheid: Or slow.
13:29 <PrincessRainbows> wigglewiggle
13:29 * PrincessRainbows licks Finwe till he's dripping then trots off
13:30 <Finwe> Depending on efficiency of the sorting algorithm applied.
13:30 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
13:30 <Schism> This remains the most realistic superheroine I've ever seen. http://skin-horse.com/comic/to-her-desk/
13:31 <Cepheid> The biggest issue there is the frequency in which you sort and/or search. If you're constantly resorting and searching, you might want to implement a list that sorts as you add in new elements.
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13:32 <Finwe> Depending on efficiency of the sorting algorithm applied.
13:32 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
13:32 <Schism> This remains the most realistic superheroine I've ever seen. http://skin-horse.com/comic/to-her-desk/
13:32 <Cepheid> The biggest issue there is the frequency in which you sort and/or search. If you're constantly resorting and searching, you might want to implement a list that sorts as you add in new elements.
13:32 <Cepheid> Otherwise, the constant sorting and searching WILL be slow. Especially as the list starts to grow.
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13:35 <Cepheid> My favourite sorting algorithms will always be bogosort and random sort. Former is a variation of the latter that only considers the unsorted items. Random sort, meanwhile, is where you take your whooooollle set of numbers, and shuffle them. Then check to see if they're in order. If they aren't, you shuffle them again, and check to see if they're in order.
13:35 <Cepheid> You keep doing this until eventually, you hit that one-in-gods-only-knows chance of getting the sorted set.
13:36 <Finwe> Random sort has universally best best case.
13:37 <Finwe> It also has universally worst worst case.
13:37 <Cepheid> Pretty much. It's entirely possible, though unlikely, that after one shuffle, your entire set is sorted, thus making it a constant time operation.
13:37 <ConfusionRift> Schism: You seem to find some good ones out there. :P
13:38 <ConfusionRift> "Hey, better than Grisly Man. I don't see how punching people in the face helps."
13:39 <Schism> Okay, okay, so the best-written superheroes/supervillains I've ever read are still from wildbow's Worm.
13:39 <Finwe> Cepheid: But getting it correct on the first try is infinitely more probable than never getting it correct.
13:40 <Cepheid> I think random sort is actually better than some sorting algorithms out there. There are some algorithms that are designed such that while they do achieve the end-result *EVENTUALLY*, they're designed to be utterly impractical.
13:41 <Cepheid> From a computational perspective, shuffling the same set over and over and over constantly would execute faster than say, performing a sequence of instructions intentionally designed to cause page faults, memory thrashing, cache misses and the like to intentionally trip up the CPU.
13:42 <ADragonDreaming> Sorting for Kronk: https://imgur.com/gallery/uPmmz0e
13:43 <Cepheid> Heh.
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13:53 <Finwe> o3o
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13:53 <Finwe> Looks like they all finish in equal time.
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13:55 <Cepheid> That's because they do. It's a trivial matter to add some delay between each iteration for each algorithm.
13:55 <Cepheid> Or, in this case..
13:56 <Cepheid> Between each image update for each algorithm.
13:56 <Finwe> Yup.
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13:58 <Finwe> Worstsort is obviously the worst sorting algorithm in existence.
13:58 <Finwe> The worst one that runs in finite time, that is.
13:59 <Cepheid> With the worst one being, of course, the one that does nothing at all and just sits there twiddling it's thumbs until the heat death of the universe.
14:01 <Finwe> It can hardly count as a sorting algorithm if it does absolutely nothing.
14:06 <Cepheid> Time for you to lay on my lap now, Spitfire?
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14:14 * Finwe Canada gooses at Schism.
14:15 * Schism carefully goes elsewhere. Canadian geese are the most vile, despicable creatures in the country.
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14:17 <Finwe> Schism: I know, they visit us every summer along with their barnacled cousins.
14:21 <Finwe> One of my favourite summer pastimes is removing goose droppings from the soles of my football boots.
14:29 <Schism> In a rather interesting fanfic, a group of geese invade Ponyville. Lacking a word to describe their ... drippings ... Pinkie comes up with the term 'styrofoam'.
14:55 <Schism> Cepheid: "Mad geniuses love knitting. It combines math, allergens, and stabby things."
15:07 <Finwe> o3o
15:19 <ADragonDreaming> isn't there a bogosort?
15:20 <ADragonDreaming> There is.
15:20 <ADragonDreaming> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogosort
15:23 <ADragonDreaming> Bogobogosort is an algorithm that was designed not to succeed before the heat death of the universe on any sizable list.
15:26 <Schism> Huh. Minecraft aRPG? That's different.
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16:15 <ADragonDreaming> Schism: eh wot now?
16:19 <Schism> Adra: Yeah, https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/04/09/hands-on-preview-minecraft-dungeons-is-an-unexpected-treasure/
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16:39 <ADragonDreaming> interesting
16:42 <Schism> Aye. hmm. I have been suggested to go on a CGM system, which I think might be a good idea after all.
16:43 <Schism> Hum. So many calls from doctors.
17:12 <Lumindia_> ooo
17:12 <Lumindia_> @Cepheid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK7AuOjX0WE
17:15 <Finwe> Mr Lumindia_.
17:15 * Finwe doffs his hat.
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18:15 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by The Illustrious Q: IDW Launches Online Store for WonderCon Exclusives! [ http://tinyurl.com/uy9n8ym ]
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18:29 <Finwe> o3o
18:29 <Finwe> !hug
18:29 <DerpyBot> Hugtiem? :3
18:29 * DerpyBot wraps her front hooves around Finwe in a tight embrace
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20:25 <Schism> Wait, no. Dragonsung Cross-Pein Hammer.
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20:44 <Starlight_Glimmer> I was looking forward to playing some DOOM Eternal. Of course we can't have nice things especially if Bethesda was involved in any way. The game suffers from weird mouse input lag even in the menu that makes me feel dizzy when playing. I guess that's the 2nd Bethesda/id Software game series I'm not going to continue due to technical issues.
20:44 * Ali nibbles on Starlight_Glimmer ear
20:45 <Starlight_Glimmer> Sure I can now spent time figuring out what's wrong, but that's my bucking day job. I just wanted to play for once.
20:46 <Starlight_Glimmer> Glad I wasted half an hour cleaning up my desk of all the home office stuff I have to setup again next week.
20:53 * Ali huggles Starlight_Glimmer
20:59 <Starlight_Glimmer> I think I might have fixed it? Not even sure I want to continue at this point
21:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #3305 [ http://tinyurl.com/wfxwajz ]
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21:25 <Schism> Software mice are the devil, sometimes.
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22:11 <PinkieShy> My animal crossing village meuseum the fossil part is almost complete :D
22:11 <PinkieShy> Just need 3 more fossils and it's done.
22:11 <PinkieShy> Those 3 fossils will probably take months though with my luck
22:14 * Ali flops over PinkieShy and yawns loudly
22:15 <PinkieShy> I just woke from a nap myself :D
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22:42 <Schism> Pea soup with ham, orange juice, crackers... I think that punches roughly the full meal ticket.
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22:43 <Schism> Maybe some milk alongside.
22:45 * Schism takes another very large pill.
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23:19 <Cepheid> Software cursors are indeed a pain in the arse.
23:23 <Cepheid> I'm not actually sure why they have input lag when the games themselves during gameplay don't seem to exhibit the same input lag.
23:25 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Tug of War / Magic / WmW 132 / TWD 3:59 / ANL 4:64 / New Beginning 16 [ http://tinyurl.com/whjboxn ]
23:28 <Schism> Oh, any word back from SQNX?
23:29 <Cepheid> Just an automated response that my support ticket has been received.
23:29 <Schism> Grand. .-.
23:31 <Schism> 3/11 tools unlocked.
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23:55 <Cepheid> https://i.redd.it/oilygflpkur41.jpg
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23:59 <PinkieShy> ... I just turned my phone screen off
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