00:11 * Starlight_Glimmer is freezing :-/
00:12 * Ali tosses blankies at Starlight_Glimmer
00:12 * Lumindia_ snuggles upto GlimGlam under the blankies
00:12 * Lumindia_ provides lots of warms
00:12 * Lumindia_ offers Ali a spot as well
00:13 * Starlight_Glimmer pulls Lumindia_ and Ali und their blankets.
00:13 * Ali eeps and gets cozy with Starlight_Glimmer and Lumindia_
00:15 * Lumindia_ dotes on the two mares! ♥♥♥
00:15 <Lumindia_> sleep time
00:17 <Starlight_Glimmer> Yes
00:18 <Ali> Sleep? WHAT'S THAT
00:18 * RichardMist *goes to the balcony to observe for that moon and beautiful moonlight*
00:19 * RichardMist *sits and closes eyes*
00:27 * RichardMist *opens eyes*
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00:56 <Schism|Nocturne> You know the feeling when you've been waiting for half an hour for the dungeon to pop and suddenly crash?
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01:00 <Ali> Oh you're at the front of the queue now? NAH
01:02 <Schism|Nocturne> Well, it is better than dropping 50 minutes through an hour-long dungeon.
01:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #3343 [ http://tinyurl.com/y8o7pqu8 ]
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01:15 <Ali> I dunno, at least you got some loots
01:16 <Ali> Dropping out on the final boss isn't all that bad
01:16 <Ali> Especially if he has nothing that can drop for your class.
01:16 <Schism> It is when 75% of the experience provided is for dungeon completion.
01:17 <Ali> Ouch
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01:20 <Schism|Adagio> Okay, world, FFS.
01:22 * PrincessRainbows offers Ali some hay and hugs
01:22 <Schism> I might have to pick up some canned air shortly. Shame that everything's closed and I won't be able to do a damned thing until Sunday at the earlier.
01:22 <Schism> earliest.*
01:22 <Schism> And Monday is EVERYTHING'S CLOSED DAY because screw everything.
01:29 <Schism|Adagio> Yeah. .-. I might have enough canned air to dust out something.
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01:30 <Schism|Adagio> Black on top, white on bottom...
01:31 <ADragonDreaming> ...oh. that kind of canned air.
01:31 <ADragonDreaming> My first thought was Spaceballs or The Lorax
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01:36 <ADragonDreaming> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI478dO_VsQ
01:36 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
01:36 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Seongah And Jimmy
01:36 <Schism|Adagio> Okay, let's give this a go.
01:36 <Schism|Adagio> Cleaned out as best I can for now, dusted, the fans are no longer clogged.
01:38 <Schism|Adagio> I will of course let Nocturne sit and do nothing for a long while before tempting fate.
01:46 <Schism|Adagio> Even that failed. Lovely.
01:47 <Schism|Adagio> Actually, I have the best 'do nothing' option avaiable.
01:48 <Schism|Adagio> Oh. That explains a few things. Resting CPU temp of 64. What the buck?
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01:49 <Ali> What do you have running in the background Schism|Adagio?
01:51 <Schism|Adagio> What the--
01:53 <Schism|Adagio> Thermal grease and heatsink are working, if the fact that I just nearly killed my hand is any indication.
01:55 <Schism|Adagio> Which of course implies that the CPU fan is not.
01:56 <Ali> Why would you bare hands touch a 64C core?
01:56 <Schism|Adagio> I did not touch the core. I barely tapped the heatsink.
01:57 * Ali still gives Schism|Adagio the dumb dumb award for that.
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02:05 <Schism|Adagio> Heh. I bet I know what happened.
02:05 <Schism|Adagio> The cable for the CPU fan probably came loose from the mobo.
02:06 <ADragonDreaming> Money talks... but it don't sing and dance and it don't walk.
02:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #2162 [ http://tinyurl.com/ycrwf6pb ]
02:09 <Schism|Adagio> Yup, 27º on the BIOS, that'll work.
02:09 <Schism|Adagio> Let's make sure it works after a reboot.
02:12 <Cepheid> I'm starting to thing my meds are rewiring my brain slowly. Just finished reading 087. Creeped me out a lot despite not having done so as much before.
02:14 <Schism|Adagio> Mebbe. o3o; Which is 087 again?
02:15 <Schism|Adagio> Also, this is already better. It's quite possible that the vibrations might have knocked the CPU fan loose.
02:16 <ADragonDreaming> Isn't that the endless staircase?
02:16 <RichardMist> Schism|Adagio heh you can cook steak on it
02:16 <RichardMist> just remove heatsink and wait...
02:17 <Schism|Adagio> Funny, I'm cooking steak, just not now. Also, heh. Potatoes in oven with oil, salt, pepper, paprika. That's all they need.
02:17 <Cepheid> Endless staircase yeah. Uncanny valley got me with the face.
02:17 <Schism|Adagio> I'm getting some nice airflow on Nocturne now so I think that should be the solution.
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02:18 <RichardMist> yey
02:23 <Schism> Phew. Okay. This looks okay.
02:24 <Schism> We'll see how it handles. But for now, better. I think the CPU fan wound up unplugged due to vibrations.
02:24 <Schism> Which explains a few oddities I've noticed. Sheesh.
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02:42 <Schism> Yerp. That seems to have been it.
02:43 <RichardMist> soo, you baked your steak?
02:43 <Schism> No, I'm baking the potatoes. I'll pan-fry the steak in a few minutes.
02:44 <RichardMist> ok
02:45 <Schism> Back down to a much more reasonable 45ish.
02:46 <RichardMist> https://youtu.be/zAEXuONMJCQ yeah
02:47 <Schism> Processed food, indeed.
02:49 <RichardMist> but tasty
02:50 <Schism> Well, right now I'm just waiting until these potatoes finish roasting.
03:01 <Schism> ADragonDreaming, what a wonderful thing it is that Schlock is not the sociopath he thinks he is.
03:07 <RichardMist> Okay everyponies, bye *waves*
03:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Animation: Circus [ http://tinyurl.com/y8s2han8 ]
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04:04 <Stormspark> the highest my CPU gets up to even under 100% load is 55
04:04 <Stormspark> idle is like 28
04:05 <Stormspark> I left air cooling behind years ago lol
04:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Zephyr Breeze Music: Vivix - Sanctuary [Alt. Rock] [ http://tinyurl.com/y7t6j94m ]
04:08 <Schism> Stormspark: Without a CPU fan in place, these things do tend to run hot, which is why when my CPU fan plug came loose from my motherboard, Bad Things happened.
04:10 <Stormspark> yeah
04:10 <Stormspark> I'm using this
04:10 <Stormspark> https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Liquid-Cooling/Single-Radiator-Liquid-Coolers/Hydro-Series%E2%84%A2-H60-High-Performance-Liquid-CPU-Cooler/p/CW-9060007-WW
04:10 <Stormspark> got it back in 2015
04:11 <Schism> I'll hold off on a liquid cooling solution until I have enough money to pay for it. For now... I shall watch another episode or so of Disenchantment.
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04:13 <Stormspark> I got it because all the good air coolers I could find, I had to remove to access RAM slots, which I found unacceptable
04:13 <Schism> That is a perfectly sensible reason.
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04:33 <ADragonDreaming> "They told me today I was going to be leading Fredrick, Carlen, and Xander into a sack of potatoes."
04:37 <Schism> "We ran out of food rations today. Xander freaked out and started saying we were going to starve, until I told him he was a [yay] idiot."
04:38 <ADragonDreaming> Indeed.
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06:20 * PrincessRainbows finds a pony to boop
06:28 * Ali scoops up PrincessRainbows and tucks her into beds.
06:30 * PrincessRainbows makes upset little filly noises cause not sleepy
06:30 * Ali brushies PrincessRainbows softly.
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06:37 * PrincessRainbows does grab her pacifier and clutches Ali like a plushie
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08:56 * Cepheid awakens for the day.
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09:11 <Cepheid> https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/15/malicious-tweets-targeting-epilepsy-charity-trigger-seizures I... What...? Why?
09:18 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/Wc7NvYd.gifv
09:26 <Lumindia_> ................... Okay, who the hell
09:28 <Cepheid> I know, right?
09:31 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/FxAnQOU.gifv
09:40 <Cepheid> https://v.redd.it/6dpa5thsqlu41
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09:56 * Cepheid sits atop Lumindia_'s head.
09:58 * Lumindia_ gently pets
09:58 <Lumindia_> o wo
10:02 <Cepheid> What're ye up to?
10:08 <Lumindia_> stuff
10:08 <Lumindia_> and things
10:09 <Cepheid> Same.
10:09 <Lumindia_> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12cn0VSna24
10:09 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
10:09 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Into The Cosmos (Japanese Synth\/Ambient Mix)
10:09 <Lumindia_> Youtube has been recommending me stuff like this recently
10:09 <Lumindia_> and I don't know why
10:09 <Lumindia_> not that I'm complaining, it's a jam
10:12 <Lumindia_> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypdnSS0La7s
10:12 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
10:12 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about [1991] Katsumi Horii Project – Sky Cruisin' [Full Album]
10:15 * Cepheid designs and considers feasibility of algorithms.
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10:17 <Cepheid> I have a solution for my problem from the last few days, but it's just annoyingly large. But that seems to be a common factor to other algorithms for different types of games.
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10:44 * Cepheid writes about two pages worth of information on how to implement this new algorithm, along with the different cases and problems to consider. He still isn't done.
10:45 * Lumindia_ gives scrambled eggs to Ceph
10:45 <Lumindia_> o wo
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10:50 * Cepheid noms.
10:50 <Cepheid> I estimate this document will reach about 3 or 4 pages, maybe more if I opt to do pseudocode implementations before writing the actual code.
10:53 <Cepheid> Schism: I see what you mean about that one author and the number 5. SCP-092. The number of instances stored is equal to the number 5 multiplied by itself the number of instances of the word "Absolute" in the name "The Absolute Absolute Absolute Absolute BEST of The 5th Dimension!!!!!"
10:55 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, 31 is the number 11111 in binary.
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11:03 <Cepheid> Ah, the entirety of 092 revolves around the number 5. Period.
11:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1933 [ http://tinyurl.com/y8e7v8j9 ]
11:32 * Lumindia_ pets Ceph o vo
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12:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Episode Rewatch - MLP Season 3 Episodes 3-4 - Too Many Pinkie Pies / One Bad Apple [ http://tinyurl.com/y95gp88p ]
12:09 <Schism> Cepheid: Quikngruvn isn't qntm, but I suspect this focus on 5s inspired qntm.
12:13 <Cepheid> Possibly.
12:13 * Cepheid flops back in, having shaved and showered. He is bald again.
12:17 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/PinkoiJP/status/1260763451107840001
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12:46 <Schism> 094 is rather understated.
12:47 <RichardMist> hoiii everyponies!! *waves*
12:47 <Schism> Ahaha. I like 095.
12:49 * Cepheid doesn't really feel like working again today. Wants to just lay down, or get comfy and read SCPs
12:50 <Schism> I feel the same. But alas, it's my Friday, so work it is.
12:51 <Schism> Cepheid: One should expose SCP-097 to Dr. King, but somehow I doubt a giant apple would be an improvement.
12:51 <Cepheid> Heh.
12:51 <Cepheid> ...
12:52 <Cepheid> Lonestar Law, a show that follows Game Wardens in Texas. One of them just referred to goslings as "gooselings."
12:57 * Cepheid combines Worcestershire sauce, Tabasco sauce, something called Mexican Pepper Sauce, some brine from pickled hot peppers, sriracha sauce, some white ground pepper, and spicy clamato into a jar.
12:57 * Cepheid watches the jar melt.
13:00 * PrincessRainbows wavies
13:04 <Cepheid> On the other hand, my nose has never felt emptier.
13:06 <ADragonDreaming> so apparently doom eternal added a kernel-level anti-cheat program.
13:07 <Cepheid> o.O
13:09 <Cepheid> That... Seems excessive. And unlikely. Only drivers have access to kernel-level stuff. General applications can call kernel stuff, but that's common among all applications.
13:10 <Cepheid> Applications do system calls all the time which go into the kernel. They are used for stuff like file I/O, input handling and the like. Outside of that the only way to get lower is through drivers.
13:11 <ADragonDreaming> Denuvo Anti-Cheat includes a kernel level driver.
13:11 <ADragonDreaming> https://www.pcgamesn.com/doom-eternal/denuvo-anti-cheat
13:12 <Cepheid> Yeah I was about to say. It's Denuvo. Not that surprising.
13:13 <Cepheid> I don't know what these people want at this point. They don't want cheaters, but they also don't want the stuff that prevents cheating in the first place.
13:14 <Cepheid> The alternative is to assume every report of cheating is legitimate and ban anyone reported up front and resolve whether the players were cheating or not after the fact.
13:15 <Cepheid> But that would result in a lot of false reports caused by players who happen to think they're better than the ones who beat them. Or just for kicks.
13:16 <Cepheid> Otherwise, anticheat is effectively impossible because any program can be decompiled, examined, and have tools made to avoid anticheat built into the game.
13:17 <Cepheid> It's the nature of the beast. In order to avoid cheating you have to lock down the machine. This is why consoles generally tend to fare better than PCs, up until an exploit allows the installation of CFW.
13:21 <Lumindia_> I caught Steam before it updated Doom Eternal, and have suspended updates on it
13:22 <ADragonDreaming> What I'm seeing is people not wanting a third-party application to have Kernel access, due to the inherent security risk
13:22 <Lumindia_> why IS it called "Kernel"?
13:26 <Cepheid> Because it is the core of the OS.
13:28 <Lumindia_> yeah, but why the name "Kernel"?
13:30 <Cepheid> No idea off hand. But I assume it has to do with "kernel" being a term for something that is in the middle of something else.
13:30 * Lumindia_ becomes small, hats on Ceph
13:30 <Lumindia_> o vo
13:30 <Cepheid> Like a core of popcorn, etc.
13:32 <Cepheid> In any case, given what I've seen of applications on the Internet, and what people can and will install, none of this really surprises me, and I feel like it is just another case of complaining for the sake of complaining.
13:33 <Cepheid> The most common thing people install these days, mods for games, are about as safe as Denuvo.
13:33 <Cepheid> Mind the difference here I admit is that it is being forced.
13:34 <Cepheid> Again though there are too many issues and too many ways to look at this overall. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
13:36 <Cepheid> Deal with cheating through anti-tamper software, you're accused of spying, causing performance impacts and other problems. Don't do anything about cheating, you're accused of not caring, giving cheaters free reign to do as they please.
13:37 <Cepheid> Actively work to ban cheaters, you're accused of banning innocents who didn't cheat. Unban those innocents, you're accused of letting cheaters go. Take the time to carefully investigate, you're accused of doing nothing because people don't get their immediate desired result.
13:37 <Cepheid> You can't win.
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13:43 <Cepheid> In any case, because of the backlash I don't expect the Denuvo to stay long.
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13:47 <Cepheid> https://i.redd.it/wz41hof3y0z41.jpg
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13:52 <Cepheid> If I am what I eat, does that mean I'm a cannibal eating Canadian humans who are bald and slightly overweight, with an education in computer science?
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13:57 <ADragonDreaming> probably a better method would be to disable the multiplayer option unless the user expressly authorizes the anticheat software to be installed
13:57 <ADragonDreaming> rather than the forced installation on game launch regardless of intention.
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14:03 <Cepheid> That would be a better approach. Wouldn't result in any less backlash though.
14:04 <Cepheid> If anything, it might result in even more backlash.
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14:12 <Stormspark> that's something even freaking Blizzard did right, with Warden
14:12 <Stormspark> it doesn't mess with your system, it doesn't run when the game isn't on
14:13 <Cepheid> And yet it can be broken then. No software solution that isn't built into the OS will work.
14:14 <Cepheid> Any software the can be analyzed, which for the record, is pretty much any user-level program, can be hacked to do things it wasn't meant to do. And circumvention of anticheat is one such thing.
14:15 <Lumindia_> <Cepheid> Deal with cheating through anti-tamper software, you're accused of spying, causing performance impacts and other problems. Don't do anything about cheating, you're accused of not caring, giving cheaters free reign to do as they please.
14:15 <Lumindia_> <Cepheid> Actively work to ban cheaters, you're accused of banning innocents who didn't cheat. Unban those innocents, you're accused of letting cheaters go. Take the time to carefully investigate, you're accused of doing nothing because people don't get their immediate desired result.
14:15 <Lumindia_> the solution is to delete multiplayer
14:15 <Lumindia_> :>
14:16 <Cepheid> If anything, I would not trust even Warden or other anticheat systems like VAC.
14:16 <RazorSharpFang> Some people like it.
14:16 <Lumindia_> "You hecks can't behave with multiplayer, you don't get it"
14:16 <Lumindia_> (This is a joke, by the way)
14:18 <Stormspark> building it into the OS won't stop hackers from defeating it
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14:19 <Stormspark> WOW is pretty good in the way it works...I don't like the game anymore, and Blizzard is boycotted, but I played it for long enough. Server side checks for most actions to make sure you're not doing anything you're not supposed to. Character stats and stuff are stored server side. It's not possible to cheat, aside of abusing bugs, and "creative" uses of game mechanics that Blizzard didn't catch
14:20 <Stormspark> the only types of dedicated multiplayer only games that are any good are MMO's though, there is actually a game there rather than just running around shooting people in an arena or whatever the hell those dumb games do
14:20 <Cepheid> Even MMOs are prone to cheating.
14:20 <Stormspark> WOW isn't
14:20 <RazorSharpFang> I'm fairly sure WOW has had a few rollbacks
14:20 <Cepheid> No offense, but I'm calling bullshit. Major bullshit.
14:21 <Stormspark> I've heard of things like creative uses of game mechanics, where someone found that two abilities work together in an unintended way to make something super OP
14:21 <Cepheid> No game is secure from cheating.
14:21 <Stormspark> but outright cheating as in hacking the game client to change stats or something like that? Never happened
14:21 <RazorSharpFang> No, I mean like item duplicating.
14:21 <Stormspark> that never happened in WOW, aside from a bug in one of the PTR's one time
14:22 <Stormspark> (but PTR isn't the live game)
14:22 <Stormspark> and that wasn't so much cheating as, someone found a weird bug
14:22 <RazorSharpFang> Cheats are often exploits of bugs.
14:22 <Cepheid> Don't make me spend time trying to prove you wrong. It's a waste of my time.
14:22 <Stormspark> then in Cataclysm, someone found two mage abilities that would work together to stack infinitely on each other until you could one-shot bosses and have a shield that nothing could get through
14:23 <Cepheid> And not because I won't find anything.
14:23 <Stormspark> shield would absorb something, increasing attack power, and then said attack power would increase the shield, and it would stack infinitely
14:23 <ADragonDreaming> WoW gets cheaters, but it isn't massively widespread. There are apparently reports of instant cooldown things.
14:23 <RazorSharpFang> At some point, you'd incur a floating point problem, wouldn't you?
14:23 <Cepheid> But because I really, really don't want to spend time proving you wrong over something that is irrelevant.
14:23 <ADragonDreaming> but then that's why the in-game report function exists.
14:24 <Stormspark> then there was teh saronite bomb issue where using them would bug out the Lich King fight, and the world first guild was accused of using that to beat him and got banned
14:24 <ADragonDreaming> for MMO's, server side storage makes things more difficult, but not impossible.
14:24 <ADragonDreaming> anyway. Work work.
14:24 <Stormspark> and of course, things like creative use of terrain to bug out AI pathing and break fights, etc etc
14:24 * Cepheid sighs. He goes off to read because this is a pointless arguement.
14:24 <RazorSharpFang> ADragonDreaming, Yeah, the numeric data-type in SQL etc.
14:25 <RazorSharpFang> I'm so used to floating point that fixed-point precision is weird to me.
14:26 <RazorSharpFang> But I suppose if you were used to fixed-point precision only then floating-point might seem like weird magic.
14:27 <Cepheid> Both are weird to be honest.
14:27 <RazorSharpFang> If both of those are weird, then what is arbitrary precision to you?
14:27 <Cepheid> Especially when you understand the concepts of limited precision and the like.
14:28 <RazorSharpFang> Oh, perhaps you're coming from a pure maths point.
14:28 <Cepheid> Arbitrary is weird as well. The weirdness for me is the knowledge that no irrational number can be represented in it's entirety on a computer.
14:29 <Cepheid> And that no matter what you do, you'll always have problems and bugs caused by this.
14:29 <RazorSharpFang> Unless you're willing to have an abstract maths engine, where it just says "sqrt(2)" AS its value.
14:30 * Cepheid divides 1 by 2. Should be 0.5. Gets 0.499999999 repeating.
14:30 <RazorSharpFang> Encapsulated as a stack of operations, that only actually get called when you do .ToDouble() on it or something.
14:32 <Cepheid> The problem remains though.
14:32 <RazorSharpFang> Well, if I ask you "What is the value of the square root of 2?" What is the most-apt answer?
14:33 <Cepheid> Once you do that ToDouble() method, all of the underlying math is done using limited precision because it has to.
14:33 <RazorSharpFang> Only in circumstances where simplification is impossible, if you do your maths-engine right.
14:33 <RazorSharpFang> That is, you should be able to square the square-root of 2 and get exactly 2 back, because of its internal simplification.
14:34 <Cepheid> And yet, in the end your result is still going to be off by some margin of error. And that margin of error can cause subtle bugs.
14:35 <RazorSharpFang> Have you played with the Casio Class-pad? You get 2 back if you square the square-root of 2.
14:35 <RazorSharpFang> You can ask it what the ith root of 2 and then raise that to the power of i to get back 2.
14:36 <Cepheid> I have not. But at the same time, there could be any number of reasons for that. I'd have to look at the code.
14:36 <RazorSharpFang> That is closed-source and not available.
14:36 <RazorSharpFang> Lots of money was spent on their engine.
14:36 <Cepheid> Oh well.
14:37 <Cepheid> Knowing them, there is probably some rounding involved after some level of precision is achieved.
14:38 <RazorSharpFang> It's seriously got an in-built maths-engine. I am seriously impressed by it.
14:38 <RazorSharpFang> (It's slow)
14:38 <RazorSharpFang> It'll take a while to give you 2 after you ask it what the ith root of 2 is, and raise that to the power of i, but it'll do it.
14:39 <Cepheid> Because you cannot create a decimal value of the square root of 2 on a computer or any similar device, such that when you square it, results in exactly 2.
14:39 <RazorSharpFang> Which is why it doesn't bother.
14:39 <RazorSharpFang> It instead has an implicit understanding of operation cancelling.
14:39 <Cepheid> Which makes it a special case.
14:39 <RazorSharpFang> You can give it an expression like (x+1)(x-1) and it'll give you x^2 -1
14:40 <RazorSharpFang> You don't get that by rounding.
14:41 <Cepheid> My point is that, once you reduce it to a numerical, decimal value, there is still going to be a margin of error for any further uses, that causes subtle bugs.
14:41 <Cepheid> You can only ever reduce the margin of error. Never remove it.
14:42 <RazorSharpFang> Yes, if you're using numerical data-types. The alternative is a pure-maths engine, which kills performance, so you just... don't.
14:42 <Cepheid> Yerp.
14:42 <RazorSharpFang> Don't get me wrong, the engine is fantastic. But using it makes even strictly numeric operations slower, because it checks for pure-maths.
14:43 <Cepheid> Of course. And reduction to a numerical value is in itself a slow operation.
14:43 <Cepheid> Otherwise a common operation we make use of, trig tables, would not exist.
14:43 <RazorSharpFang> So it can be done, but at a cost high enough that you don't want to anymore.
14:44 <Cepheid> Aye. The cost approaches infinite. My overa
14:44 <Cepheid> Er, my overall point is that any precision math is weird because it approaches impossibility as you increase the precision.
14:45 <Cepheid> Math is weird.
14:45 <RazorSharpFang> 64-bit precision is pretty fast on a 64-bit machine, what a coincidence.
14:45 <Cepheid> Kinda gives me some insight to Finwe's madness.
14:45 <Cepheid> Mm. The operations are fast. Won't lie.
14:46 <Cepheid> But what about the algorithms to calculate sine, cosine and tangent?
14:47 <Cepheid> Individual instructions are fast. Things slow down though when you start combining them with algorithms to create a given result.
14:47 <RazorSharpFang> I like to draw a circle rendered onto a D3D accelerated surface and then measure.
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14:48 <Cepheid> And, just because the system is 64-bit doesn't mean that working with double-precision floats will be fast. Larger data types, more bandwidth needed. Computers are weird.
14:49 <RazorSharpFang> Depending on the CPU itself at that point.
14:49 <Cepheid> The reason floating point math is so fast on a GPU compared to the CPU is because the architecture was designed for it. Try to do integer math on a GPU, and things would likely crawl.
14:50 <RazorSharpFang> Whereas back in the day it was the opposite.
14:51 <Cepheid> It depends less on the CPU alone and more on the architectural layout of things. Type of memory, speed of memory, bus width, bus clock speed, CPU and its internal design, CPU clock speed, etc, etc, etc.
14:51 <Cepheid> Anyways BRB. Groceries are home. Gotta help bring em upstairs.
14:52 <RazorSharpFang> Stairs are weird things too.
14:52 <Cepheid> Ah to hell with it, let's just agree everything is weird if you look at it too closely.
14:53 <RazorSharpFang> It's for that reason that I always smudge my glasses, especially before driving.
14:54 <Cepheid> My cat does that for me.
14:59 <Cepheid> Likes to nose my glasses, headbutt my face, and so on.
15:00 <ADragonDreaming> Seongah and Jimmy, Seongah and Jimmy~
15:03 <Cepheid> Speaking of my cat, where is that monster?
15:04 <Cepheid> https://v.redd.it/hwqu8112a2z41
15:09 <Schism> "Listen to their irresistable song!" "If it's smooth jazz, I will destroy this place."
15:11 <Cepheid> Tizzy is taking Spitfire's place.
15:11 <Cepheid> Though admittedly she is creeping towards my face, so not his exact place.
15:12 <Cepheid> Schism, you see this yet? https://i.imgur.com/25VIMsU.gifv
15:13 <Schism> Yes. Drugged kitty.
15:14 <Cepheid> I like how when she picks him up to kiss him, the cat's expression is "I have no idea what is going on"
15:15 <Cepheid> Unfortunately I can no longer find the original post. It detailed what the cat was on. I saw mention of ketamine.
15:15 <Schism> Sounds about right.
15:16 <RazorSharpFang> I'm starting to wonder if having land-taxes applied if the land is vacant is unfair if there's large amounts of national vacancy.
15:18 <RazorSharpFang> This is on the presumption that land-taxes exist to penalise unwarranted land vacancy and unuse.
15:18 <Cepheid> I also learned that cats eat spider plants for the drug effects it has on them from said post.
15:18 <Schism> H'okay, back to the salt mines.
15:20 <Cepheid> Remember to sacrifice the salt to the gods for stat increases. </Salt and Sanctuary>
15:20 <RazorSharpFang> "Down here, salt is a way of life"
15:25 <Cepheid> https://v.redd.it/08el6g7c5yx41
15:27 <Lumindia_> ♪I'm a god... how can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence♪
15:27 <Lumindia_> ♪I'm a god... how can you kill a god? Shame on you, sweet Nerevar♪
15:41 <Cepheid> You kill a god by being more powerful than one. And trust me, there are gods more powerful than other gods. No matter how badass you are, there is always someone more badass than you.
15:41 <Lumindia_> r/whoooosh
15:42 <Lumindia_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-K2rUP86M
15:44 <Cepheid> Trust me. I know you were referencing something.
15:45 <ADragonDreaming> I'm a little teapot
15:46 <Cepheid> This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends.
15:47 <Cepheid> !link https://youtu.be/CXHXUgXG1tM
15:47 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
15:47 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about This is the song that doesn't end
15:48 <ADragonDreaming> Oh the horse put his foot, put his foot on the ground
15:49 <Cepheid> I gotta say though, Lumindia_, that's new.
15:50 <Lumindia_> what, the thing I linked?
15:52 <Cepheid> Yeah.
15:52 <Cepheid> Never seen it before.
15:59 <Cepheid> Bananas, in pajamas~
16:17 <ADragonDreaming> One of the things I like about Notepad
16:17 <ADragonDreaming> auto-stripping formatting.
16:17 <Cepheid> Heh.
16:18 <ADragonDreaming> for my work I do lot of copy pasting information from the website I support
16:18 <ADragonDreaming> notepad nicely removes all the tables, etc. Very useful.
16:19 <Cepheid> Still don't fully understand why someone would want to take large doses of amphetamines. Sure, you're focused and energetic. But once you take them, you can't get off Mr. Bone's Wild Ride until they wear off.
16:20 <ADragonDreaming> I don't think they usually start with large doses.
16:21 <Cepheid> Still. It's like the engine in your mind has all cylinders firing at the same time and yet somehow still managing to output work.
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16:40 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/Eem6sBZ.gifv
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17:05 <Cepheid> How do you people ignore the overwhelming compulsion to work when it comes to relaxing and being unproductive?
17:05 <Lumindia_> I just don't have any work ethic to begin with
17:05 <Lumindia_> ' v'
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17:10 <Cepheid> How do you live with no work ethic? Does it not bother you?
17:13 * Lumindia_ shrug
17:13 <Lumindia_> honestly I don't know
17:20 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, I feel like I *HAVE* to work. Like I'm doing something wrong if I'm not working. Committing some crime.
17:23 <ADragonDreaming> I have successfully tied it to "Am I on the clock"
17:24 <ADragonDreaming> and also to "is the task complete"
17:30 <Cepheid> The problem there is that I have no clock. And no enforcement of time limits or constraints. And using "is the task complete?" as guidance is a bad idea for me, because the task I am working on could take much longer than the ideal working period length, etc.
17:38 <Cepheid> https://i.redd.it/3jer04bq34z41.jpg
18:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: ASPECT - Cyberpunk Animation [ http://tinyurl.com/ybrcfdzx ]
18:12 <Cepheid> https://i.redd.it/2o3f0ma985z41.jpg I'll be honest, I'm confused too.
18:26 <Schism> Too many Jeffs?
18:33 <Cepheid> I'm thinking forgotten practical joke. Developer of the interface to the database put in code to reject anyone named Jeffrey, as a joke against a coworker named Jeffrey. And they simply forgot to remove it. And now, no one knows how to fix it.
18:36 <AppleDash> I'm thinking fake :P
18:37 <Schism> I wonder if Hatbot thinks Mann is an O4.
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18:40 * Cepheid is an O3.1415927
18:42 * Schism is a toaster.
18:42 * Cepheid perceives Schism as a toaster.
18:43 <Schism> I will, unfortunately, never be able to look at any of Sorts' SCPs without thinking of Elf Only Inn.
18:45 <Cepheid> Why do you say that?
18:45 <Schism> Because he's the one behind it.
18:46 <Cepheid> Ah.
18:48 <Schism> Ahh. Shower, bowl of tomato soup with grilled cheese sandwiches.
18:48 <Schism> A worthwhile lunch break.
18:51 * Cepheid loads up ONI.
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18:59 <Schism> Just four more hours until my weekend. Phreeow.
19:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Burning Mare Music Festival Is Underway! [ http://tinyurl.com/yba59n24 ]
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19:21 <Cepheid> Nopenopenopenope NOPE I can't do it. Mind won't let me play games for some reason.
19:21 <Cepheid> I can sit around and read all day, but can't play games.
19:34 <Cepheid> Feel like I'm having a panic or anxiety attack when I try.
19:35 <Cepheid> Heart starts to feel like something is crushing it. Even when I play games I *WANT* to play.
19:42 <Lumindia_> Not to downplay the mentality at all, but your... condition?.... it's something I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around
19:43 <Lumindia_> Not sure if there's a term for a chronic compulsion to constantly work
19:43 <Lumindia_> "Work Addiction" or "Workaholic"
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19:47 <Cepheid> Maybe I need a few days off of my ADHD medication. Stuff is what allows me to focus enough to work hard in the first place.
19:57 <RichardMist> I hope you will get better soon Cepheid
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20:07 <Cepheid> Thanks. I'd like to relax a bit. Murder some giant man-eating monsters.
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20:16 <RichardMist> hey Stormspark *waves*
20:23 <Cepheid> That, or I need a game right now that feels like work. Factorio?
20:37 <RichardMist> maybe
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20:37 <RichardMist> hoiiii Ali! *waves*
20:37 * Ali wavies with a groan
20:38 <RichardMist> ow, something is not right
20:38 <Ali> Trying to fight against a developing migraine
20:38 <RichardMist> that's terrible
20:39 * Stormspark wingwaves belatedly
20:39 <Stormspark> I fell asleep lol
20:40 <RichardMist> okie
20:40 <RichardMist> Stormspark , Ali needs some help, he have migraine
20:41 <Stormspark> nothing I can do to help though
20:42 * Ali baps Lumindia_ with slimes on balloons
20:42 <RichardMist> Ali I wish you will get well as soon as possible
20:43 <Ali> Its just a migraine, I took some ibuprofin to deal with it.
20:43 <RichardMist> okie
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20:47 <RainbowDash> Stupid computer
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21:06 * Ali baps Lumindia_ with a fench staff
21:07 <Schism> aaaaaaaaa
21:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Japanese WEGO Company Creating Fashion Line for MLP [ http://tinyurl.com/yd95yjqn ]
21:08 * Schism twitch, twitch.
21:10 * Ali headtilts at Schism
21:10 <Schism> Just work.
21:22 <ADragonDreaming> I am also workfish.
21:22 <ADragonDreaming> except I am doing cleanup. We had one of the big outages yesterday.
21:27 <RichardMist> Yeah, when I am working, I am doing it until I'm out
21:42 <Lumindia_> Ali!
21:42 * Lumindia_ petpetpetpetpet
21:42 * Ali baps Lumindia_ some more with a fench staff
21:44 <Lumindia_> a what?
21:44 * RichardMist *slowly boops Lumindia_*
21:44 <Ali> You're playing Terraria you should know this
21:45 * RichardMist *boop boop*
21:45 <RichardMist> that bosses...
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21:47 <RichardMist> hoii _jimm *waves*
21:47 <Lumindia_> is the fench staff a new thing?
21:47 <_jimm> hey
21:47 <RichardMist> nope
21:47 <RichardMist> (Lumindia_)
21:47 <RichardMist> whatcha doin'? _jimm
21:48 <_jimm> modern warfare mostly
21:48 <_jimm> how about you
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21:51 <RichardMist> yeh, coding
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21:55 <Ali> Lumindia_, yes, new summon weapon
22:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #3344 [ http://tinyurl.com/y893o5no ]
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22:20 * Lumindia_ hecks at Richard
22:20 <Lumindia_> so it IS a new item
22:20 <Lumindia_> that's why I haven't seen it
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22:27 <RichardMist> Lumindia_ heh, don't played that game about 2 years
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22:52 <Schism> Weekeeeeend.
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23:25 <Ali> Well they just launched 1.4 of Terraria
23:25 <Ali> Adding over 1000 items and some more bosses
23:27 <Schism> Quite the remarkable patchlog they've got there. "
23:27 <Schism> We are experiencing technical difficulties amongst extremely high traffic. Please check back at a much later time.
23:27 <Schism> "
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23:56 <Schism> Gaaaame. Where's the Iron :<
23:57 * Schism completely refuses to go out with a copper shortsword which does a whopping total of ONE DAMAGE TO EVERYTHING.
23:59 <PinkieShy> Sleep was non-existant last night
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