00:00 * Schism is a foodling, is not made of food!
00:01 <Schism> Hm. Everything off, everything on.
00:01 * Filly_Nightmares eeeeees and gnaws on Schism cheekies
00:02 * Divide|Adagio boops the Filly_Nightmares wif a mango-vanilla ice cream sammich.
00:03 * Lumindia_ does a boop on the Surry
00:03 <Lumindia_> o vo
00:05 * RichardMist *provides Schism with auto-boop device*
00:05 * Filly_Nightmares nom nom nom nom nom ice cream and then gnaws on Lumindia_ hoof!
00:05 * Cepheid dazes about, under the influence of ativan and seroquel.
00:06 * RichardMist *boops Filly_Nightmares with a cotton candy*
00:06 * Filly_Nightmares rolls aorund
00:08 * RichardMist *creates infinite portal*
00:08 <RichardMist> weeeee!
00:08 <Schism> Hm. Vsync might need to be disabled again.
00:08 <Schism> Oh well. On reflection, I really, really need a blasted nap.
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00:16 <Schism> Freakin' software mice.
00:16 * Cepheid feels his arms and legs as his eyes go derpy, quite literally. They keep drifting in different directions.
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00:19 <Schism> Cepheid, have you run into this issue? The mouse simply... not responding anything but sluggishly?
00:20 <RichardMist> Yep
00:21 <RichardMist> Oh, not me, sorry Schism
00:22 <RichardMist> Cepheid are you alright?
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00:24 <Schism> Hm. If it's doing this in windowed mode, then I wonder if...
00:24 * Filly_Nightmares curls up on Schism head
00:25 * Divide|Adagio provides Filly_Nightmares wif a chocolate orange!
00:25 *** Divide|Adagio is now known as Divide
00:25 * RichardMist *is now listening http://str.pcradio.ru:8000/nirvana_meditate-hi*
00:26 * Filly_Nightmares gnwaso n chcocolate oragne!
00:27 * RichardMist *provides Filly_Nightmares with a cotton candy gun*
00:29 <Cepheid> I'm fine. Just... High? Sedated?
00:29 <Cepheid> Schism, what's wrong?
00:30 <RichardMist> Sedated. wow
00:30 <Divide> Eh, software mouse is laggy.
00:31 <Divide> I have a few fixes available, so I'm running down the list. Vsync, for example, can be happily disabled.
00:31 <RichardMist> Maybe graphics driver issue, try to restart it
00:31 * Divide bites RichardMist. "I just did. Repeatedly."
00:31 * RichardMist *ouch* okie
00:32 <Divide> Running in fullscreen in native resolution is of course an obvious fix.
00:32 <RichardMist> then try to optimize graphics settings from graphics control panel
00:33 <Divide> Richard. This isn't my first rodeo. I appreciate it, but I'm not a novice.
00:34 <RichardMist> Heh, on driver level maybe
00:34 <RichardMist> buut, okie
00:36 <Divide> The question of a software mouse behaving slowly may be more endemic to the game and its behavioral settings than anything else. I've turned video settings down to medium anyway, I just wanted to see if there was another cause.
00:36 <Cepheid> What game is it?
00:36 <Divide> MHW.
00:36 <RichardMist> I usually get this because of a large number of pre-prepared frames
00:37 <Cepheid> Oh. Yeah, software mouser. It's performance in the UI is dependent on the framerate.
00:37 <Schism> Possibly a new video card later on then.
00:38 <RichardMist> I get this problem when the graphics device does not have enough time to process the frames
00:38 <Schism> I turned off vsync, so.
00:38 <Cepheid> What are you using?
00:38 <Schism> It didn't appear beforehand, but GTX760.
00:38 <Cepheid> Oof.
00:38 <Cepheid> Yeah, that'll have issues.
00:38 <Schism> Yes, I know, piece by piece I'm stitching this together.
00:39 <RichardMist> yeah, same graphics card as me
00:39 <Schism> Well, whatever. I'll leave it be for now.
00:39 <Cepheid> Other things that could improve it is running at a lower resolution. 720p.
00:40 <RichardMist> That thing is fixable
00:40 <Schism> It's fine, there are a lot of fixes.
00:40 <RichardMist> Wow, you fixed it?
00:43 <Schism> For the moment 1600x900 is fine.
00:43 <RichardMist> ow
00:43 <RichardMist> As I said, that's pretty easy to fix laggy mouse
00:43 <Schism> Meh. It takes up most of the screen and lets me see other things thereupon. Bear in mind, I have a small monitor.
00:44 <RichardMist> But if it's simplier for you, then okie
00:44 <Schism> Anyway, I should nap.
00:44 <RichardMist> Schism goodnight!
00:44 <RichardMist> have a nice dreams!
00:44 <RichardMist> *wavies*
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00:46 <RichardMist> Bye everyonies! *wavies*
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01:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: My Little Pony Speedpaint Compilation #138 [ http://tinyurl.com/ya8bp9xy ]
01:12 <Ali> Schism, should I be scared that skelletron is in my sky background..
01:22 <Divide> Possibly.
01:23 <Divide> You might get visited by the mecha variant? Or maybe just a lot of skellies.
01:24 <Ali> I can't, I haven't broken a demon alter and I defeated Skellyprime
01:25 <Divide> I meant getting invaded by a lot of skellingtons.
01:25 <Divide> Like, at night, instead of zombi.
01:26 <Ali> Who knows
01:30 <Ali> Though Divide that doesn't make sense, since skellys are all underground mobs or dungeon mobs
01:38 <Divide> I guess not. Blergh, why am I still awake.
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01:39 <Ali> Cause its only 930PM?
01:41 <Schism> yeah, but I've been short on brai^Wsleep all week.
01:44 <Ali> When's your day off?
01:45 <Schism> Starts tonight, ends Tuesday morning.
01:46 <Schism> I'm just... bleh. *flop*
01:47 * Ali pat pats Schism. "Just try to relax a bit."
01:50 <Schism> I honestly don't know why I'm still at all awake.
01:52 <Schism> What I will do before I sleep is poke my retainers, but yeesh.
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02:00 * Schism sets all his retainers on the task to get stupid cats, or other such things.
02:02 <Schism> Mystic Weapons, Bacon Bits, and Wind-Up Hobs.
02:07 <Ali> Well just got roflscrewed by the twins
02:07 <Ali> Like I don't know how I'm gonna do this. I had the best weapon for the class
02:08 <Ali> But just can't move fast enough to say out of the cursed inferno breath.
02:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #2177 [ http://tinyurl.com/yazbrsyy ]
02:09 * Schism quietly watches things burn. "I'm somehow more tired than a few minutes ago."
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03:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Discord Music: Studio Quinn - Discord's Remorse [Indie Pop] [ http://tinyurl.com/y6vvhpb7 ]
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07:15 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
07:30 <Golden> Hi dr. ConfusionRift
07:34 * ConfusionRift wavies at Golden.
07:35 <Golden> My place was over 83 degrees, and humid as hell
07:35 * Ali flops over ConfusionRift
07:40 * ConfusionRift patpats Ali.
07:42 * Ali leans into the ConfusionRift pats so much
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08:04 * PrincessRainbows boops Ali with her snoot
08:05 * Ali squeaks at PrincessRainbows
08:06 * PrincessRainbows yawns and boops Ali's horn
08:08 * Ali teleboops PrincessRainbows in return
08:09 * PrincessRainbows giggles and rolls around the Ali pone
08:09 * Ali brushies the PrincessRainbows and hopes she had a decent nap.
08:10 <PrincessRainbows> Yup I was worried earlier because more pain but so far so good
08:14 * PrincessRainbows also boops ConfusionRift with her snoot
08:16 * ConfusionRift reboops PrincessRainbows. :P
08:17 * PrincessRainbows makes silly filly noises
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08:31 * PrincessRainbows flops on Ali for sleepies like good little fillies
08:31 <PrincessRainbows> Nini
08:50 * PrincessRainbows also grabs her favorite pacifier and pinkie plushie
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08:58 * Ali flops over the ConfusionRift again.
09:01 * ConfusionRift huggles Ali.
09:02 <Ali> I died horridly to the twins, and that was with a megashark. T.T
09:03 <ConfusionRift> Blarg.
09:08 <ConfusionRift> Yeah, those two can be tricky, even with the 'shark.
09:09 <ConfusionRift> I don't remember what I used to go for with them.
09:11 <Ali> I dunno, maybe luck, or 500HP
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09:14 <ConfusionRift> ...ooookay.
09:21 <Ali> I never understand their quit messages or why they're chat quotes
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10:27 <RichardMist> Hoiii everyponies! *wavies*
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10:37 <RichardMist> Hey AppleDash, how are ya?
10:38 <AppleDash> Alive
10:38 <RichardMist> Nice to hear that
10:39 <RichardMist> Why "Alive", Is something bad happened?
10:43 <RichardMist> AppleDash, looks like Colgate doesn't like greetings, hehe
10:44 <RichardMist> But if he prefers to shut me up like that, ok then
10:44 <Colgate> I don't like my chanmon being flooded with the same text from 5 different channels at the same time from the same person
10:48 <RichardMist> Yeah, I got you, no greetings anymore
10:48 <RichardMist> If you don't like it, I respect your words and won't do it
10:50 <RichardMist> Colgate Then can you tell me what's your channels?
10:53 * RichardMist *meh meh meh*
10:57 <RichardMist> wow, if you think that 1 same massage in a day is flooding, then I don't know, how to describe it
10:58 <Colgate> I'm not going to argue
11:00 <RichardMist> I'm not trying to argue, just my thought about that
11:02 <RichardMist> Soo, you are owner of #techponies channel?
11:03 <Colgate> I said, I'm not going toa rgue about it
11:03 <Colgate> understand?
11:04 <RichardMist> I don't wanna to talk about that thing that you calling argue
11:04 <Lumindia_> Pizza time!
11:05 <RichardMist> I'll go talk to people who understand what politeness is
11:05 <RichardMist> Bon appetite Lumindia_!
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11:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1948 [ http://tinyurl.com/y8dq29rb ]
12:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Radio Plays: Ministry of Awesome (Fallout Equestria Lore Episode 4) / MLP: Love In Kindness Episode 5 [ http://tinyurl.com/y9dlxf42 ]
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13:45 <Finwe> Good afternoon, my little ponies!
13:45 <Finwe> Messrs Cepheid, Lumindia_, Schism and Starlight_Glimmer; Mlles alissq, Surreal_Nightmares and PrincessRainbows.
13:45 * Finwe doffs his hat.
13:46 <alissq> Hi Finwe !
13:46 <Finwe> Greetings.
13:46 * Finwe noms on spinach soup and spelt bread.
13:49 <Finwe> A fine afternoon. I think I'll go cycling after lunch.
13:49 <Finwe> I just got my bike serviced by a local workshop on Friday.
13:55 * Lumindia_ yawns, floops
14:16 <Schism> Whew. Twelve hours of sleep. That'll do it.
14:20 * Finwe offers some spinach soup and spelt bread with port salut cheese to Schism.
14:21 * Schism happily accepts, and offers Finwe a few slices of lemon poppyseed coffee cake -- with tea.
14:21 <Finwe> o3o!
14:21 * Finwe noms on the cake and sips some tea.
14:22 <Finwe> I slept for 9 hours, which is quite much for me, because of a rather long geocaching session yesterday.
14:22 <Finwe> 16 kilometres and 40 caches.
14:23 <Finwe> I also swam in a pond in the wilderness.
14:33 <Lumindia_> and the capsule has docked
14:33 <Lumindia_> \o/
14:33 <Schism> It's a day, I see, Cepheid.
14:34 <Cepheid> Yes.
14:35 <Cepheid> Analysis and thinking of one such way to resolve a problem.
14:35 <Cepheid> As well as analysis of problems that could arise.
14:36 <Schism> Your particular chain of replies to A.R. Moxon dovetails nicely with the problem of Microsoft's decision to aggregate news articles on their platforms with AI, rather than human, editors.
14:37 <Cepheid> The problem is that I look at it this way...
14:37 <Schism> Ultimately, this doesn't remove the problem of editor bias, because systems are created with bias, no matter what.
14:37 <Cepheid> If I can think of a way to circumvent a system, the system is broken. Because someone else can think of that way to circumvent it.
14:38 <Schism> If you can't think of a way to circumvent a system, the system is still probably broken, just in a more subtle way.
14:39 <Cepheid> So, the solution then, is to circumvent the way the system can be broken.
14:39 <Cepheid> Or minimize the risk that it is broken
14:40 <Schism> The typical way to do this on a social level is to make it more inconvenient for anyone to break the system than to keep the system in place. This forms the basis of the social contract.
14:41 <Cepheid> The root of the problem is that the probability of a person not being biased is 0. Or, inversely, the probability that a person has a bias of some sort is non-zero.
14:41 <Schism> You might as well say 1.
14:41 <Cepheid> We have to minimize the probability then, that the bias will affect the final decision.
14:42 <Cepheid> From a reviewing perspective, the simplest way to do this is to introduce more people to the review process.
14:42 <Cepheid> But that itself by default, carries risk.
14:42 <Cepheid> Because as those reviewers interact, biases will form.
14:42 <Schism> Of course, biases are not particularly bad. I think most of us are biased towards the idea that punching someone in the face without cause is not a good thing to do.
14:42 <Cepheid> That's true.
14:42 <Cepheid> But it's still a bias.
14:42 <Cepheid> We're, ideally, a society that works under the pretense of fairness.
14:43 <Schism> Mostly because we're still monkeys.
14:43 <Cepheid> Here's where my "turn morality" thing comes into play.
14:43 <Cepheid> For example..
14:44 <Cepheid> Suppose we were reviewing a video of a person who was practically modern-day Hitler getting punched by another citizen. What would you do?
14:45 <Schism> That remains a difficult question to answer.
14:47 <Cepheid> Herein lies my issue. Suppose our job was to review the evidence, and say whether or not the evidence supports a given charge that the victim wants to lay upon the perpetrator.
14:48 <Cepheid> In this case, the victim, someone we do not like, was assaulted.
14:48 <Schism> There is the concept, in law, of 'fighting words', and further the question of whether rhetoric is intended specifically to cause harm.
14:49 <Schism> However, this is a difficult question. And I would say that at the very least a civil fine should be levied against the attacker.
14:49 <Cepheid> Unfortunately, that is not up to us to decide in such a case. We are simply reviewing if whether the charge is valid or not, based on evidence. We see the victim being struck, therefore, we have to say that the charge is valid, and that it should continue up along the line.
14:49 * Finwe noms on Lumindia_'s tail.
14:50 <Cepheid> The problem is, even a valid bias would affect this.
14:50 <Schism> Yes. One person punching another requires that the circumstances be reviewed if the aggrieved party wishes to take action.
14:50 <Cepheid> This is the "necessary evil." If we want to fix the system to be fair, then it has to be fair.
14:51 <Cepheid> It's a gods damned mess.
14:51 * Cepheid could continue to analyze into this further, but his brain already hurts, partly due to putting aside morals to examine something.
14:53 <Schism> Here. Instead, have a snep. https://twitter.com/Rockleohana/status/1266809792724471808
14:53 <Schism> A snep blep, if you would.
14:54 <Cepheid> Heh.
15:00 * Cepheid goes to code.
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15:13 <Cepheid> La-Mulana exhibits unusual mechanics regarding to entity physics.
15:14 <Cepheid> On any surface not near an edge, the player's central position is what's accounted for with respect to gravity, collision with the floor, and so on.
15:14 <Cepheid> However, this does not apply at edges.
15:15 <Cepheid> So long as one pixel of the character's collision bounds is standing over a solid region, the player will not fall.
15:16 <Cepheid> The games apparently utilize a lot of special cases.
15:19 <Cepheid> Analysis indicates when dealing with axis-aligned walls and floors, and general "interactive" objects, the entire bounding box of the entity is considered. When dealing with slopes, only the entity's midpoint is considered.
15:20 <Cepheid> Schism, I need your assistance.
15:20 <Cepheid> First, let me draw what I am looking for.
15:21 <Schism> Sure. o3o; I'll see what I can do...
15:28 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/WnXEKu2.jpg Looking for a slope set up like this. That is, any slope such that there is no "block" underneath the very tip of it, and empty space beneath/next to it. Any idea if you've seen such a slope in LM1 or LM2?
15:28 <Cepheid> Otherwise, I'm gonna be spending an hour going through Crab's videos.
15:30 <Schism> No, I don't think I have. Slopes of that nature typically have another tile underneath them.
15:32 * Cepheid looks through videos then to find a spot that'll satiate his curiousity.
15:32 <Cepheid> Interestingly, very few places in the game use slopes. Especially in the original MSX-styled version.
15:34 <Cepheid> And the areas that do use them, they move the player.
15:36 <Cepheid> Hum, the remake meanwhile..
15:36 <Cepheid> Slopes are used everywhere outside. And they're handled similarly to non-sloped tiles when the player walks off them.
15:36 <Cepheid> That is, so long as the bounding box is touching the slope, the player doesn't fall.
15:37 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqNnlkvPZa0
15:37 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
15:37 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about MHWorld Shots: The PC Mod Experience. (ft. Nyangtofu Guest animator)
15:46 <Cepheid> Interestingly, I've yet to encounter cheaters or OHKO types.
15:57 <Cepheid> Gods, why are slopes so annoyingly difficult to implement?
15:57 <Cepheid> Even entity-entity collisions aren't this difficult.
16:04 * Schism makes some chicken kiev. With swiss cheese, and a bit of zucchini relish.
16:11 <Cepheid> This is impossible.
16:12 <Cepheid> If I use the "midpoint" approach, then by the time the entity climbs to the top of the slope, it'll intersect with the floor next to the slope, and get stuck.
16:14 <Cepheid> There's just too many damned configurations.
16:17 <Cepheid> I honestly just want to move on. But I can't until I resolve this ****** problem.
16:18 <Cepheid> I've been working on it for two months now, with little to no progress.
16:18 <Cepheid> And yet, somehow idiot programmers are able to do it, while I can't.
16:18 <Cepheid> **** if I know how.
16:20 <Cepheid> 's no wonder I don't got a job. I don't know ****.
16:20 * Schism hugs the Cepheid. "There is always one problem upon which we all get stuck."
16:22 <Cepheid> And it's only with intersection of the entity and the world.
16:22 <Schism> I think that once that point clicks, the rest will be downhill from there.
16:23 <Cepheid> The only solution I can see is impossible to implement.
16:24 <Cepheid> Here, I'll draw out the problem I'm facing.
16:33 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/8iFDY9y.jpg In the top case, the issue is that by placing the entity such that it's midpoint is not intersecting the slope, then there's a chance it'll intersect with the collision bounds of any tile or object next to the slop, preventing further movement, when logically the entity should be able to keep moving.
16:34 <Cepheid> In the bottom case, I'd like for the entity to overhang when it's standing on the tip of the slope, but there's no other solid objects beneath them.
16:34 <Cepheid> It's not possible to resolve either of these though.
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16:34 <Cepheid> For the top case, I'd have to ignore the existence of any other blocking tiles, which would break other situations.
16:35 <Cepheid> Like, when the slope actually approaches up to a wall.
16:35 <Schism> In the first case, how about modifying the entity's bounding block so that it deforms based on the slope?
16:35 <Cepheid> Because if I ignore the presence of other tiles, then, well, the player will just walk partway into the wall, and then when they're off the slope, they're stuck.
16:36 <Cepheid> How do I know when to deform the bounding block?
16:37 <Schism> Maybe make it based on the slope tiles themselves?
16:38 <Cepheid> Mmm. Visualization of the problem reveals edge cases that'd break it.
16:39 <Schism> In the second case, it's a bit trickier...
16:39 <Schism> Yeah. Might have to work around that in level design.
16:44 <Cepheid> This is bloody impossible. And it's a problem that's been resolved since the NES era, and here I am, unable to solve it.
16:44 <Schism> For case 2, the entity's boundary box can still be deformed to allow it to stay there, balancing on a subpixel as it were.
16:44 <Cepheid> Gods I'm useless.
16:46 <Cepheid> Deformation won't work due to the extreme complexity involved.
16:48 <Cepheid> This is impossible, there's no reasonable solution.
16:49 <Cepheid> I have been working on this for two months. I've tried countless solutions. Even looked at other solutions for ideas.
16:49 <Cepheid> It doesn't work.
16:49 <Schism> I definitely wouldn't call you worthless. I certainly can't come up with anything like that.
16:49 <Cepheid> An idiot could do a better job than me, Schism.
16:50 <Cepheid> I've seen it.
16:50 <Cepheid> People with no programming experience making games with more complex situations by far.
16:50 <Cepheid> For some reason, simplicity eludes me.
16:51 <Cepheid> I am either literally too smart to see the simple solution, or too stupid to see it. I'm inclined to think too stupid, because claiming to be smart is egotism.
16:51 <Schism> I'm the same way. Even in Zachtronics' Games, I find myself coming up with overly complex solutions when something simple is all I need.
16:51 <Schism> It's not a matter of smart or stupid. It's a matter of what type of solutions we're given to engineer.
16:52 <Cepheid> Yeah, well, clearly this is too complex for me, but not complex for people with less skill than me, so I must be stupid.
16:53 <Cepheid> I'm deluding myself into thinking I'm a decent programmer with what progress I've made.
16:53 <Cepheid> People can do a better job than me in less time by far
16:53 <Cepheid> 'S no wonder I can't complete shit.
16:54 <Cepheid> I'm gonna be living with the parents the rest of my life because I can't hold a job, nor can I get a decent one in my area of expertise, whatever the hell that is. Gah.
16:54 * Cepheid is having a breakdown, yay!
16:55 <Cepheid> Why can't I punch a wall and injure myself?
16:55 <Schism> I know it feels that way, but this is one case where the solution isn't clear, by any stretch of the imagination. I can't imagine how long it took people to get those working in the first case.
16:55 <Schism> Cepheid, maybe have a shower?
16:55 <Cepheid> I mean, it's less harmful than say, taking a knife to my hand.
16:55 <Cepheid> Or this pen.
16:56 <Cepheid> I want to suffer for everything I've done these last two weeks.
16:56 <Cepheid> I need to suffer.
16:56 <Cepheid> But something inside me tells me no, that's not the right. But it never gives me an explanation as to why.
16:56 <Schism> No, you don't need to suffer. If nothing else, get yourself something to eat, please. And, again, a shower.
16:56 <Cepheid> I look at this from a logical perspective. Any time someone screws up, they suffer consequences of their actions.
16:57 <Cepheid> There is no one to punish me for the consequences of my actions. For being unable to solve a problem. For getting fed up with someone else and being mean to them. For taking too long on something.
16:57 <Finwe> Hmm, Borderlands: The Handsome Collection is available for free in Epic Games Store.
16:58 <Cepheid> Everyone around me just lets everything slide. As if I did nothing wrong.
16:58 <Finwe> As I already sold my soul to them during the Civilization VI giveaway, I guess it won't hurt to obtain Borderlands as well.
16:58 <Cepheid> They accept my apologies too easily.
16:58 <Schism> Cepheid: Maybe we just look at the fact that we're all massive screw-ups too.
16:58 <Cepheid> I have to suffer. I have to hurt.
16:59 <Cepheid> But no. For the sake of those around me, I don't punish myself. I don't hurt myself. I don't make myself suffer.
16:59 <Cepheid> Because to everyone else around me, my actions are unjustified.
16:59 <Cepheid> That's not how life works, based on my observations.
17:00 <Cepheid> You screw up, you make a mistake, you fail to achieve something, you get punished for it.
17:00 <Schism> Cepheid, if it helps, punishing yourself is not ideal. Figure out how to make yourself better, but... suffering for no purpose? No.
17:00 <Cepheid> That is the bloody way of things. That's how it's been MY ENTIRE. LIFE.
17:03 <Cepheid> It's what I deserve.
17:03 <Schism> Seriously, no. Just because other people suffer through that does not mean that they, nor you, deserve it.
17:04 <Cepheid> I don't honestly understand how you believe that. Every time I make a mistake. Every time I do something wrong. Every time I fail to achieve something. Every time I take too long. Every time I don't meet expectations.
17:04 <Cepheid> I feel this overwhelming need to suffer.
17:05 <Cepheid> Surely you feel something akin to this.
17:05 <Cepheid> It is an overwhelming, crushing guilt.
17:06 <Schism> I do, yes. I just... focus on the fact that the only thing to do is to get better.
17:06 <Cepheid> How do you deal with the guilt?
17:07 <Cepheid> It isn't enough for me to simply "make sure it doesn't happen again"
17:07 <Cepheid> It is persistent, it sticks with me whether I want it to or not.
17:07 <Cepheid> The consequences of my actions are simply not enough to deal with it, either.
17:08 <Schism> By apologizing, by making amends, and by doing things other than beating myself up -- and realizing that self-flagellation is counterproductive.
17:08 <Cepheid> The only thing that has ever helped me cope with the guilt, the frustration, all the negative emotions of screwing up in some way, is to injure myself.
17:08 <Cepheid> Apologizing doesn't work.
17:08 <Cepheid> Making amends does **** all.
17:08 <Cepheid> The only thing that gets rid of the guilt is suffering.
17:10 <Cepheid> If it wasn't for this gods damned temper of mine I probably wouldn't be like this.
17:10 <Cepheid> No, any time something small pokes at me, gotta go full solar flare-level rage on everyone around me.
17:10 <Cepheid> No control over how quickly it progresses, either.
17:11 <Cepheid> One moment, 0, next moment, 100.
17:11 <Cepheid> Always makes me the bad person in the end, even if it was entirely justified.
17:11 <Cepheid> I can't argue. I can't debate. I just have to accept what everyone else says or does.
17:11 <Schism> I really wish I knew what to say... I mean, I'm obviously not in your position, so while I can emphasize...
17:12 <Cepheid> Like, I'm sorry that I was born white. I'm sorry that I was born male. I'm sorry that I'm single. God damnit now everything that's been getting to me is contributing to my breakdown.
17:12 <Cepheid> I'm sorry I can't fight for what's right, because if I tried, I would probably beat someone to a bloody pulp in attempting to do so, and that's wrong.
17:13 <Cepheid> So I stand back and watch shit unfold, and I'm being told and treated like I'm no better than the perpetrators of various crimes.
17:13 <Cepheid> Humanity sucks and deserves to be fucking genocided.
17:13 <Cepheid> There. I said it.
17:13 <Cepheid> THe most hateful statement that I've held inside my mind for gods only knows how long.
17:13 <Schism> Obviously, you are better. I know it's sick. And I know, there are ... well. We might be getting to that soon.
17:13 <Cepheid> It isn't right though.
17:13 <Finwe> Well, at least most of mankind.
17:14 <Cepheid> To hold everyone responsible for the actions of a single few.
17:14 <Cepheid> Humanity doesn't deserve death.
17:14 <Cepheid> Who and what deserves it are the vocal people who don't know enough to stop being pricks, jerks of the highest order.
17:14 <Cepheid> And because of them, entire groups are lumped together.
17:14 <Cepheid> And I have to deal with the consequences of their actions.
17:15 <Cepheid> I have to be the one that suffers for them, while they continue going on being pricks, jerks, and laughing their asses off.
17:15 <Cepheid> Because I am somehow responsible for every single person of the same "archetype" as me.
17:15 <Cepheid> I have to be the one that fixes everything.
17:15 <Cepheid> I have to do everything my god damned self.
17:16 <Cepheid> But you don't want me to.
17:16 <Cepheid> Because if I did try to fix it?
17:16 <Cepheid> It'd involve murder.
17:16 <Schism> Yes. I seriously want those of our 'social class' who refuse to make things better, or at least not make things worse, to just... go away. Not even hurt them, just ship them off to a place where they can all deal with each other.
17:16 <Cepheid> The only way to "reform" the people causing all the trouble is to murder them.
17:16 <Cepheid> There is no way we can reform them to change their views when they are so far gone.
17:16 <Cepheid> So the only plausible solution is to murder them.
17:17 <Cepheid> Genocide the lot of them.
17:17 <Cepheid> You want to play the peaceful route? Fine, good fucking luck. People that depraved know how to use words, and how to behave to convince you that they've changed.
17:18 <Cepheid> Then when you turn your back they'll stab a god damned knife in you and return to their old ways.
17:18 <Cepheid> This, is my rage.
17:18 <Cepheid> My absolute, uncontrollable rage.
17:18 <Schism> Humanity, it is said, evolved from a similar species to the modern bonobo. However, there are always those who refuse to behave like anything but chimpanzees.
17:18 <Cepheid> I don't want to negotiate with these people. I just want to take a gun, aim it at their head, and execute them.
17:18 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Dazzlings Album: FilledSilhoutte - DAZZLED '92 [French House/Future Funk] [ http://tinyurl.com/y7ws7xsq ]
17:18 <Cepheid> No chance for redemption.
17:19 <Cepheid> But ye know.
17:19 <Cepheid> This is all wrong.
17:19 <Cepheid> I know it's wrong.
17:19 <Cepheid> And it is these thoughts, that I think I am a horrible person.
17:19 <Schism> That's what we have to do. We can fantasize, we can imagine, we can act out aggressions in ways which don't cause more harm.
17:19 <Cepheid> Hilarious bit, though?
17:20 <Cepheid> Knowing that I have these thoughts, expressing them?
17:20 <Schism> The fact that you don't makes you a better person than all of those who do.
17:20 <Cepheid> Only contributes to my desire to further hurt myself.
17:22 <Cepheid> If you ever move to Ottawa, and need to see a doctor?
17:22 <Cepheid> Don't see Dr. R. Michel Fahim.
17:22 <Schism> Yegh... yeah.
17:22 <Cepheid> Fucker's useless. Doesn't want to do his damned fucking job. Had an appointment at Noon, he hasn't called.
17:23 <Schism> I wondered. What the hell?
17:23 <Schism> Isn't this the second time?
17:23 <Cepheid> I don't know.
17:23 <Cepheid> Fourth time in one week.
17:23 <Schism> ... the hay? Okay, that's just purest negligence.
17:24 <Cepheid> Gonna see if I can set up an appointment with the other doctor my mother mentioned.
17:24 <Cepheid> I'm sick and tired of this.
17:24 <Schism> After so long, definitely.
17:24 <Cepheid> I am losing my patience for dealing with so much shit right now.
17:26 <Schism> Indeed.
17:27 <Schism> I may be playing MHW later; right now, I need to do laundry. And shower.
17:28 * Cepheid seems to be calming down now.
17:29 * Schism nods, "Sometimes you just need to get it out."
17:31 <Cepheid> I honestly think trying to negotiate with the people causing the problems in the first place is a waste of time.
17:31 <Cepheid> I know people. I know how they can hide even the strongest of biases and lie through their teeth just to get people to stop harassing them.
17:32 <Cepheid> People who are racists, known racists, and have evidence supporting this fact, should, at the least, either be locked up at minimum, or outright executed.
17:32 <Cepheid> There's no reason for their continued existence.
17:32 <Cepheid> They serve only to make things worse.
17:32 <Cepheid> I'm tired of this peaceful attempt at resolving the problem.
17:33 <Cepheid> It hasn't worked over the last 60-70 years.
17:33 <Cepheid> Why the hell would anyone ever expect it to work over the next hundred?
17:33 <Cepheid> Just off the fuckers and be done with it.
17:34 <Schism> It's starting to get to the point where they're treated properly -- ostracization. Unfortunately, there are enough of them still...
17:35 <Cepheid> I'm sorry, but even that won't work.
17:35 <Cepheid> So long as they continue to exist, there will be someone who is affected by what they say.
17:35 <Cepheid> And so long as that situation continues to exist, it's not going to improve.
17:35 <Cepheid> Slaps on the wrist aren't enough. Ostracization isn't enough. Teaching them isn't enough.
17:35 <Cepheid> They just don't get the message, nor do they care.
17:35 <Cepheid> Genocide is the only answer.
17:36 <Cepheid> They will never change unless the consequences are extreme.
17:36 <Cepheid> If they haven't learned over the decades since blacks were given the same rights as anyone else, they aren't going to learn anytime soon in the future.
17:37 <Cepheid> It is delusional to believe otherwise.
17:37 <Cepheid> And they will continue to teach future generations their racist ways and thoughts, and we will never be free of them as a result.
17:38 <Cepheid> Welcome to the darkest pits of my mind. The part of me I keep suppressed.
17:38 <Cepheid> For obvious reasons.
17:39 <Cepheid> Also the only evidence I have that I am Not A Good Person.
17:40 <Schism> I really do wish I could say you were utterly wrong -- on the statements above, anyway.
17:40 <Cepheid> I legitimately don't want innocents to get caught up in all this, but..
17:40 <Cepheid> I'm sorry.
17:41 <Cepheid> Decades of work, and it's all for nothing.
17:41 <Cepheid> Believing in any ideal that involves reforming or changing these people is lunacy
17:42 <Cepheid> Once outed, and with sufficient evidence, these racist people should just be rounded up and shot or worse. We're not doing anyone any favours by letting them live.
17:43 <Schism> I still say the ideal mechanism would be to round them up and let them live with one another until they all kill each other off. In the absence of an enemy, a group such as theirs will invent their own.
17:43 <Schism> These people being the worst, the ones who cannot be reformed under any circumstances.
17:43 <Cepheid> Problem is, by letting them live, we introduce the risk that their voice gets to the people who they intend to harm.
17:44 <Cepheid> Which serves only to perpetuate the overall problem in the long run.
17:44 <Cepheid> And if they continue to exist, there is the potential for their views to spread.
17:44 <Cepheid> Of course, I see the problem in murdering the lot of them as well, basically making them martyrs.
17:44 <Schism> Mmm.
17:45 <Cepheid> But if anyone is stupid enough to consider their views after seeing them executed for their beliefs, then those people were likely to fall under their views sooner or later anyways.
17:45 <Cepheid> I'm sorry. But racists don't deserve the right to live or even speak.
17:45 <Cepheid> That's how I view them.
17:46 <Cepheid> They're less than human to me.
17:46 <Cepheid> Which is an irony.
17:47 <Cepheid> I am just trying to live my life as best I can, without constantly losing my mind because of self-deprecation or putting more weight and anger upon myself than is needed.
17:47 <Cepheid> But because of those racist pricks, I can't do that.
17:47 <Cepheid> I put more guilt and self-hatred upon myself than even the opposition probably feels I should.
17:48 <Cepheid> As is, thanks to those pricks, I constantly have the idea of offing myself for being a white male hanging over my head.
17:48 <Cepheid> Since it seems like that'd be the best solution.
17:49 <Cepheid> I feel as if my very existence is a sin or crime to be punished for.
17:49 <Cepheid> I would rather not feel like that, but I can't.
17:49 <Cepheid> For some reason, my brain is wired up in such a way as to interpret things in as negative manner as possible.
17:50 <Cepheid> I don't know what's wrong with my brain.
17:50 <Cepheid> But because of it, I can't even do simple things like play certain games, or watch certain TV shows, because they evoke emotional or ideological backlash so strong that it crushes me.
17:52 <Cepheid> And given that these kinds of problems are never gonna go away, I am going to constantly have outbursts, whether I want to or not. And I am going to take them out on myself, on my friends, on the people around me.
17:52 <Cepheid> Ultimately, all of this knowledge culminates to one fact for me.
17:52 <Cepheid> For the sake of everyone else, I should not be allowed to live.
17:52 <Cepheid> I don't act on it though. No idea why.
17:59 * Cepheid goes to take anti-anxiety, anti-depression, anti-everything meds.
17:59 <Cepheid> Only way I'll return to some semblance of normalcy.
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18:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Animation: Frostpony (Frostpunk Crossover) [ http://tinyurl.com/y9dlfkc6 ]
18:36 <Schism> "A gang of monkeys attacked a laboratory assistant and escaped with a batch of coronavirus blood test samples, it has been reported."
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18:38 <Schism> Twelve Monkeys!
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19:02 <Lumindia_> and that's the eater of worlds down
19:02 <Lumindia_> finally
19:02 <Schism> Didja use a piercing weapon, like Jester's Arrows or a spear? o3o
19:05 <Lumindia_> of course
19:05 <Lumindia_> The reaver shark has served me well thus far, but the fishing nerf has not been kind to it
19:06 <Schism> Aye. Best bet is to find yourself a meteor pick once it falls tomorrow, then mine some obsidian.
19:06 <Schism> Gotta get that obsidian skull. :3
19:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: My Russian Pony - Девочка моя синеглазая [ http://tinyurl.com/ycao52vc ]
19:11 * Schism steeps a blend of Ceylon and Assam teas.
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19:11 *** ChanServ sets mode: +qo Ali Ali
19:11 * Schism boops Ali with a cup of the aforementioned tea.
19:11 * Ali noms tea and licks Schism cheek
19:15 <Lumindia_> and space gun get
19:15 <Ali> Now the meteor set and cruise to the WoF
19:17 <Lumindia_> I still need to down skeletron
19:18 <Lumindia_> and queen bee
19:19 <Ali> Bee is optional
19:20 <Ali> And Lumindia_ bring a hook to the dungeon
19:20 <Ali> Cause crumbly death traps
19:23 <Lumindia_> I got a hook a while ago
19:23 <Lumindia_> also I want the witch doctor eventually
19:26 * Schism waves a diamond hook.
19:26 * Ali wavies an illumant hook with bad spelling
20:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: MLP Tribute Compilation Album: The Rest of Our Lives [ http://tinyurl.com/y7s67ud5 ]
20:33 <Finwe> Miss Ali.
20:34 * Finwe doffs his hat.
20:34 * Ali doffs over Finwe
20:34 * Finwe hugs the Ali.
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20:39 <Ali> Bleh, need more life fruits
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20:41 * Finwe noms on Ali's existing life fruits.
20:41 * Ali baps Finwe, she needs those
20:41 * Finwe nimbly evades the ba.
20:42 <Finwe> *bap
20:51 <Ali> Finally the high test fishing line
20:54 * Lumindia_ does a snug on the Ali Pony
20:55 * Ali snugs the Lumindia_ as now she no longer has a 1/7 chance of the line breaking
21:00 * Lumindia_ brushy brushy brushy
21:10 * Ali leans into the Lumindia_ brushies
21:34 <Finwe> !twilight time
21:34 <DerpyBot> It's not Twilight time right now, silly!
21:34 <Finwe> :(
21:34 <Finwe> !starlight time
21:34 <Finwe> Starlight time! Starlight time!
21:34 * Finwe bounces around in front of Starlight_Glimmer.
21:34 * Starlight_Glimmer licks Finwe
21:35 * Finwe tastes of Raspberry Pepsi.
21:35 <Finwe> I think I'm not going to buy this again.
21:35 <Starlight_Glimmer> What exactly?
21:35 <Finwe> Pepsi Max Raspberry.
21:35 <Finwe> There might be some raspberry in the aroma, but the taste is outright weird.
21:36 <Starlight_Glimmer> I had the cherry one once. Ewh!
21:36 <Finwe> I'm having difficulties discerning whether it's worse or better than Pepsi Max Cherry.
21:38 * Ali licks Starlight_Glimmer and Finwe
21:38 <Starlight_Glimmer> Good job! Now we're all infected!
21:38 <Finwe> !facehoof
21:38 * DerpyBot puts her hoof in Finwe's face
21:38 <DerpyBot> Now lick it.
21:38 * Finwe licks it.
21:39 * Ali licks Starlight_Glimmer more then
21:40 * Starlight_Glimmer snuggles their Ali
21:48 * Finwe hugs a Starlight_Glimmer and an Ali.
21:48 <Finwe> It's summer!
21:49 <Finwe> At least if we define summer as the season beginning in June.
21:49 <Ali> Yeah still need twenty more days Finwe :P
21:50 <Finwe> In Swedish we have försommar (foresummer, roughly May), sommar (summer, roughly June), högsommar (high summer, July) and sensommar (late summer, August).
21:59 <Starlight_Glimmer> That's not how you spell Frühsommer :3
21:59 <Finwe> It is too!
22:00 <Cepheid> Schism, with respect to four of the five cases involving triangles, I got solutions to the problems.
22:01 <Cepheid> Wait, make that 5 out of 6 cases.
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22:05 <Finwe> Mr Golden.
22:05 * Finwe doffs his hat.
22:06 <Golden> Hey
22:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #3359 [ http://tinyurl.com/yag5xxdk ]
22:11 * Starlight_Glimmer steals Golden
22:11 <Starlight_Glimmer> So precious! :3
22:11 <Finwe> (gollum)
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22:21 <Finwe> Mr PinkieShy.
22:21 * Finwe doffs his hat.
22:21 <PinkieShy> Hii
22:21 * Finwe snuggles a PinkieShy.
22:23 <Finwe> A fine day, but it's time to go to bed now.
22:23 <Finwe> !lullaby
22:23 * DerpyBot carries Finwe off to bed
22:23 * DerpyBot tucks Finwe in and hums a lullaby
22:23 <Finwe> !shoo
22:23 * DerpyBot sways from side to side, quietly humming "shoo be doo shoo shoo be doo"
22:24 <Finwe> Good night, everypony!
22:26 * Starlight_Glimmer tucks Finwe in
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23:31 * Cepheid nrrrrghs. Has something in mind which might work.
23:43 * Lumindia_ yawns, snugs on the GlimGlam Pone
23:48 <Cepheid> The approach I have in mind is a modified version of the approach used in the 16-bit era games. Particularly Sonic the Hedgehog and Megaman X.
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23:54 <Cepheid> That said, it turns out even those older games had their own problems.
23:58 <Lumindia_> I've obtained sherbert
23:58 * Lumindia_ gives Ceph some Sherbert
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