00:03 <Alice> I don't get that. I occasionally have bad breathing problems. Like, coughing fits, bubbling in my chest and throat, the sensation of my throat closing up. I put a mask on, I'm fine. The biggest problem I have is that it warms up the interior of my nose, which seems to induce mucus production among other issues. Otherwise, I can breathe just fine.
00:04 <Alice> I'm starting to wonder if it's the brand and production of the mask causing problems for others. Think allergies or fibers getting loose and being breathed in.
00:05 <Alice> But if that were happening, then it's not a mask that would be used in medical circles.
00:05 <Alice> Also, what did Gilead do, Schism?
00:06 <Schism> Decided that the price of their COVID-19 medication, Remdesivir, should be between $2,300 and $3,100 per patient.
00:17 <Ali> ...
00:17 <Ali> Can we burn them to the ground the greedy jerks
00:17 <Schism> And salt and lime the ashes.
00:18 <Schism> I suppose there's sufficient cause, now, that no jury in the godsdamned world would convict us.
00:19 <Ali> I mean putting a price on the cure of covid that high...
00:20 <Ali> That is worst than the $500 a vial I heard months ago
00:22 <Schism> I apologize for the mix-up, by the way. Turing Pharmaceuticals, around the time of Martin Shkreli's resignation (and subsequent arrest), was known for increasing Daraprim by 5,500%. They've since changed their name, but Daraprim took until this February to get a generic.
00:26 <Schism> Daraprim is known as being both an anti-malarial and an AIDS treatment.
00:29 <Alice> And here's where my ability to put aside morality and ethics aside makes me a monster. From a business perspective, I see nothing wrong with what Gilead is doing. They are not obligated, from a business standpoint, to make their products accessible to the entire population. Ethically, and morally? Yes, they would be required because abusing a pandemic to profit is morally and ethically objectionable. But from a legal standpoint,
00:30 <Schism> Alice, I understand the difference between a moral obligation and a fiduciary obligation. And a legal one. Knowing the difference between lawful and good doesn't make you a monster.
00:31 <Alice> The core purpose of a business is to make money. Secondary to that are to appease the shareholders.
00:31 <Alice> As such, from a standpoint where I put aside ethics and morality, I see a company simply doing business. Even if I don't agree with it.
00:31 <Schism> All I'll say is that if your corporate charter puts 'making money' above 'being a reasonable human being', your corporation should be dissolved and the charter dropped in aqua regia.
00:32 <Schism> And if there aren't any laws on the books about that, there damn well should be.
00:33 <Alice> Oh, I agree. But there is no way around that mentality. It isn't an aspect of capitalism per se, but rather, of human behavior.
00:33 <Alice> There are a number of problems that have to be dealt with before we can change the system.
00:34 <Schism> One could state that the purpose of laws is to curtail the more recondite aspects of human behaviour.
00:35 <Alice> Good luck.
00:37 <Alice> The core problem that needs to be curtailed, would be the expectation of A in return for providing B.
00:38 <Alice> And don't counter with the concept of "for the greater good"
00:39 <Alice> The reality of that is that an individual is providing B with the expectation that the global effect will directly or indirectly affect them at a later date or time. Even if it is not expressly stated or seen that way by the individual.
00:39 <Schism> I know what you mean.
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00:40 <Schism> And yes -- the capitalistic assumption that one must always receive some return on investment -- usually an immediate one, instead of a deferred one, or one which is already being paid, is a stick in my craw.
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00:42 <Alice> And yet, it is a necessity. Commissioned works come to mind. You are taking time away from a person's life, which is the basic currency, even in the absence of an actual currency or need for monetary compensation. That time is lost to the individual. What are you going to give in return for the time they spend?
00:43 <Alice> Even if we are reduced to a society where money is no longer a thing, bills and such are no longer a thing...
00:44 <Schism> There must, I understand, always be some payment for a service provided. However, where it gets complicated is that there are many different ways to define 'payment', as well as 'compensation'.
00:44 <Alice> To ask someone to do something for you, something that takes considerable time away from that person, they still deserve something in return for the work done. Even if doing it for free would not impact their life.
00:44 <Schism> In the case of some drugs, for example -- I have it on good authority that Gilead have been subsidized by the governments.
00:45 <Schism> To the tune of billions of dollars.
00:46 <Schism> So, we're not looking at a case of a poor drug company spending tons of money on R&D and looking to recoup. We're looking at a contractor who's already been paid.
00:46 <Alice> I understand that. But clearly, there must be benefits to the government, even if the companies are evading taxation.
00:48 <Alice> Contrary to public belief, governments are smarter than they appear. The problem lies in that we do not have access to everything going on in them. Either because of red tape, legal reasons, or because there simply isn't any documentation involved.
00:48 <Schism> The purpose of a government has never been to collect money. It has always been to secure the well-being of its citizens. If collecting money for distribution is a part of that, then fine, but I have severe doubts that's what's going on here.
00:49 <Alice> Businesses aren't being taxed, but to get away with it, and get massive bailouts, there must be backroom and under-the-covers deals and agreements being made that benefit the government or people in the government.
00:49 <Schism> Oh, I know this.
00:50 <Schism> This is why when such deals come out, they're so widely publicized. Not because they're rare, but because they're usually better-hidden.
00:50 <Schism> This girl wasn't born yesterday, Alice. :P
00:51 <Alice> All it takes is, from the government's perspective, the wrong person to hear one small clue.
00:51 <Schism> And in one of those dark ironies, said publicizations result in the government being more circumspect the next time.
00:52 <Alice> To me, the disturbing aspect is the knowledge that, despite the fact that these few incidents are outed, they continue to do it anyways. Which means the risk is outweighed by the benefits by a considerable amount.
00:52 <Schism> The question, then, is how punitive we need to make the punishment.
00:53 <Schism> Conviction for treason sounds like a good start.
00:54 * Schism sighs, then goes for her daily walk. "I'll catch you folks in an hourish."
00:54 <Alice> More to the question, how do you punish the entity responsible for the laws involved? And who is to be held responsible?
00:54 <Schism> True...
00:54 <Alice> There are people who work for the entity that have no idea what is going on, because they do not benefit from knowing. Are they complicit?
00:55 <Alice> Anyways, sorry for the dark discussion. :P
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01:10 <Alice> I wonder if I can run the Android simulator reasonably well on this laptop.
01:12 <Alice> Well, let's find out!
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01:17 <Ali> Why are there fireworks going off...
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01:22 <Alice> I have no idea.
02:03 <Schism> Wh....yyy are there fireworks going off here, too?
02:04 <Schism> International Beer Day?
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02:09 <Alice> Hum. Android emulator certainly works, but doing it all by the command line seems problematic.
02:09 <Alice> I can't use the simulated inputs.
02:09 <Alice> When I try, it freezes.
02:09 <Alice> So I'll just bite the bullet and install the Archlinux version of Android Studio
02:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #2244 [ http://tinyurl.com/y5z8683w ]
02:11 <Alice> https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/i5m5wt/hand_sanitizer_found_at_my_chiropractors_office/
02:11 <Schism> Heee.
02:12 <Schism> Ali, do you have F1 2018 yet?
02:13 <Ali> No, nor do I have any of the F1 games
02:13 <Schism> https://www.humblebundle.com/store/f1-2018-free-game
02:13 <Ali> The problem with current racing sims is they're built for steering wheels
02:13 <Schism> Mmm...
02:13 <Ali> I got Project Cars 2 when it was in the Steam Sale
02:14 <Ali> Only to have to refund it cause the controls were pure crap incarnate
02:14 <Schism> Well, surely this will just be something to have for when and if you do get a steering wheel.
02:14 <Ali> I have Nascar 15 already
02:14 <Ali> And its unplayble due to the controller wagglings in the corners
02:15 <Ali> And the straights are bad too cause you have no straightaway speed due to said wagglings
02:15 <Schism> Ewww...
02:15 <Ali> So you're seconds slower than the AI due to this
02:15 <Ali> Even on tracks where you're always full throttle like Daytona or Talladega
02:15 * Alice checks the date.
02:16 <Ali> You just wiggle so hard in the corners that you're scrubbing off about 5-9MPH
02:16 <Alice> Ah, wait, appointment is August 18th, not August 8th.
02:16 <Alice> I'll be surprised if that appointment is even kept
02:16 <Ali> And steering wheels are not cheap at all
02:16 <Alice> Given all the trouble I had to go through just to get a proper prescription out of Booth Neurology.
02:16 <Ali> Seems like they're $400 or so
02:16 <Alice> Yeah, high-quality controllers for certain kinds of games..
02:16 <Alice> They're expensive.
02:17 <Alice> I wouldn't mind getting a HOTAS setup, though.
02:17 <Ali> So as much as I would like a racing game
02:17 <Alice> I'd be more inclined to play Elite Dangerous, then.
02:17 <Ali> controllers such as the Xbox are not ment to be used
02:17 <Alice> And X4.
02:17 <Ali> Unless they go back to the assists of Nascar 05
02:18 <Ali> But I don't think I have a GC controller than can put up with that much of abuse
02:18 <Ali> Cause I was doing 100% race lengths
02:18 <Ali> And yes this did include the longest race in NASCAR, the Coke 600
02:19 <Ali> Its...quite the challenge to sit there for 600 miles
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02:20 <Alice> What's the main problem with using a controller in the games, out of curiousity?
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02:23 <Ali> When you turn into the corner, the car wiggles, scrubbing speed off.
02:23 <Ali> This isn't the loose/tight condition
02:23 <Schism> Controller jitter, and such.
02:24 <Ali> Is just that the car won't hug the inner lane
02:24 <Alice> Sounds like the dead zone is too small.
02:24 <Ali> Same thing down the backstreatch
02:24 <Ali> The car likes to lursh slightly left or right
02:24 <Ali> lurch*
02:24 <Alice> I had a similar problem with Ys 3 Memories of Celcetta.
02:24 <Ali> so when you pull it back, you lose a bit of speed
02:24 <Alice> The deadzone was too small, resulting in letting go of the stick, and Adol would face the opposite direction suddenly.
02:25 <Ali> I don't know if its a deadzone
02:25 <Alice> Because it picked up motion in the opposite direction just from the release of the stick.
02:25 <Ali> Or just the degree of slight left vs slightly more left isn't as distinguished
02:25 <Ali> Like how in Zelda
02:25 <Alice> Admittedly some games just use a binary state for left/right, etc.
02:26 <Ali> You can very slow walk, normal walk, and run
02:26 <Alice> I know what you're referring to.
02:26 <Schism> Games need to let you adjust the deadzone more often.
02:26 <Ali> So yeah, without that middleground, crossing that extreme makes racing games a lot harder than they should be
02:27 <Ali> And a lot of the popular small sized racing games, like Mario Kart and Sonic All Stars
02:27 <Schism> Ali: Twilight Princess makes it *really* hard to just walk instead of running full tilt, which also makes catching those damn bugs trickier.
02:27 <Ali> Have a drift feature to kind of make up for the crappy corning speeds
02:28 <Ali> So yeah, I tend to avoid racing games now cause without a steering wheel, they're a waste.
02:29 <Ali> That and I hate trigger acceleration
02:29 <Alice> As far as I know, when games don't support deadzone stuff, or expect a certain type of controller, you can usually "simulate" said controller with an external app, binding controls and adjusting the deadzone and how it reports stuff.
02:29 <Ali> My finger gives out in about 10 minutes
02:29 <Alice> This is what I did for the Ys games.
02:30 <Alice> Basically I used an application to control the deadzone and the ramping.
02:30 <Alice> It's one of those things I am considerate of for my own gamedev stuff, for the record.
02:30 <Ali> Also I'm annoyed a tiny bit that Retroarch won't let me configure the Z button for Zelda
02:30 <Ali> My mini map keeps going on and off when I target and that annoys me.
02:31 <Alice> I have an input system designed such that you can specify if the input should be treated as analog or digital(That is, ranging from 0.0 to 1.0, or simple on-off), and if it's an analog input desired to be treated as a digital input, what the deadzone switch is.
02:31 <Alice> So, for example, I can configure an analog input to trigger a digital binary input when the stick is tilted say, 25%.
02:32 * Lumindia_ yawns, drinks a cup of sleepytime tea before bed
02:32 * Lumindia_ pulls Alice, Ali, and Schism into a hug
02:33 <Alice> Or, if a digital input is configured to be used as an analog input, you can also specify the analog value to use, ranging from 0.0 to 1.0. So a digital button could result in say, the act of tilting a joystick 50% of the way to the left.
02:33 <Alice> Truth told, this seems like a system I should extract from my engine, and turn into a stand-alone application.
02:33 <Alice> That is, it intercepts all controller inputs, and emits them through a virtual device.
02:34 * Lumindia_ dozes off
02:34 <Alice> And by virtual device, I mean a 100% configurable virtual device. Not a standard device that's known. You can configure it to have any number of buttons, analog and digital inputs, etc.
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02:35 <Alice> With support for triggers, passthrough, and macros possibly.
02:35 <Lumindia_> would it be limited to controller inputs, or could you theoretically map keyboard and mouse inputs as macro outputs?
02:36 <Alice> You can do that, yes.
02:36 <Lumindia_> ooo
02:36 <Lumindia_> and with that I depart
02:36 <Alice> Injecting inputs from the mouse and keyboard is viable.
02:36 <Lumindia_> tea has been consumed
02:37 <Alice> Hell, to be honest, it's probably kind of moot if you're using Steam.
02:37 <Lumindia_> sleep time
02:37 * Lumindia_ boops the snoots, then crawls into bed
02:37 <Alice> You can configure Steam these days to do exactly what I'm thinking of above.
02:37 <Alice> It's part of the Big Picture Mode stuff.
02:37 <Alice> People have created entire controller setups for games that are purely mouse and keyboard exclusive, like ARPG games.
02:37 <Lumindia_> I don't really use big picture, and with the exception of a select few 'chill' games,, I use KB+M for everything
02:38 <Lumindia_> like sidescrolling platformers
02:38 <Lumindia_> Playing those with a controller just feels more natural because that's how I grew up playing them
02:38 <Alice> Mmhmm.
02:38 <Alice> I have some use cases for the concept, myself.
02:39 <Alice> And, as stated, it requires Steam to work.
02:39 <Lumindia_> jergiogiore no bad yuujin, go to sleep
02:39 <Alice> A stand-alone tool is probably much-desired if one does not yet already exist.
02:39 <Lumindia_> *smacks self*
02:39 <Alice> Of which I am sure one does.
02:39 <Lumindia_> stop getting distracted
02:39 <Lumindia_> X__X
02:39 <Alice> Sorry.
02:40 <Alice> Hum. One issue has arisen with the Android emulation approach.
02:41 <Alice> I need to simulate the presence of a LIFX Bulb access point, without the emulator using my wifi to try and connect to it.
02:46 <Alice> That would probably entail creating multiple virtual WLAN devices, with one being the hostapd/dhcp server and application, one being a virtual WLAN adapter, which is linked to the emulator, and allowing the two to see one another.
02:52 <Alice> Aaand that's possible because Linux devs are smart.
02:52 <Alice> They implemented mac80211_hwsim, a wireless radio simulator
02:58 <Alice> Hum.
02:58 <Ali> Gotta love people charging money for free flash games on steam
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03:03 <Alice> The purpose of the charge, when said game is free, is mostly as a donation thing. You can just go and download the game for free at it's other source.
03:04 <Ali> They're on Newgrounds for free
03:04 <Ali> This collection is $15
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03:04 <Alice> Yes, I know.
03:05 <Alice> Again, the point is more about donation than anything else, since going through say, Patreon or some other donation bin might have legal or financial issues that going through Steam does not.
03:05 * Ali nods
03:10 <RazorSharpFang> Hey Ali. It's tax-time for me.
03:11 <Ali> Weee taxes
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03:59 <Alice> I should restart my exercises soon.
04:02 <Alice> Social media website Facebook found overriding it's own rules for Conservative posts, due to fears of PR risk. Honestly, I'm not surprised.
04:03 <Alice> The moment a politician *****es about a social media platform blocking their posts, they'll take a hit to their shares, suffer a deluge of hate mail and hate speech, etc, etc, etc. Even if evidence is provided to show that the post was misleading or an outright lie or risk to public health.
04:05 <Ali> Well here I was about to think I could just prace into the Temple of Time and go adult
04:05 <Ali> NOPE Door of Time is down
04:09 <Alice> Have to admit, this toaster's nice. My biggest concern though is that since the whole action of lowering the bread or object being toasted is handled by a motor, and there's no manual lever..
04:09 <Alice> Well, basically it becomes useless if that motor goes.
04:11 <Alice> On the other hand, not a smart toaster or IoT device. So the manufacturer can't push an update that forces people to pay for a $40 subscription fee to use the complete functionality of the device.
04:11 <Alice> Not that anyone would do that. No, that would be immoral.
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04:23 <Alice> US government issues travel advisory to New Zealand due to 23 cases of COVID-19.
04:24 <RazorSharpFang> That's interesting.
04:24 <Ali> Says the country that has 50k plus a day
04:24 * Ali flops about
04:25 <Alice> That's why the article was submitted to r/nottheonion
04:27 <Alice> I like how searching for Coronavirus on Reddit brings up... r/Coronavirus, r/CoronavirusMemes, and.... r/conspiracy as it's top suggestions.
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04:51 * Filly_Nightmares chews on Alice!
04:52 * Alice chews back!
04:53 <Schism> AhahahahahHAHAHA
04:53 * Schism dies laughing after the first episode of Chaos;Child.
04:57 * Alice checks out Surgeon Simulator 2. Gets the feeling she should stream this.
04:58 <Schism> No restrictions thereof?
04:58 <Alice> Nope. No NDA.
04:58 <Alice> And oh my gods.
04:59 <Alice> It's an FPS-style game now, so you can walk around the room and grab anything.
04:59 <Alice> I just used a lap to break Bob's ribcage open.
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05:00 <Alice> I just stuck a syringe of blood into his crotch.
05:02 * Filly_Nightmares rolls onto her back and sprawls out
05:03 <Alice> Right, I'm gonna get a bit cleaned up, and set up the stream.
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05:25 * Ali blehs at Schism. "Rainbow Bridge is not on, and i'm on a wild goose chase for the last 3 pieces of the triumph forks
05:25 <Alice> https://www.twitch.tv/cepheidvar Should be starting in a minute or two.
05:28 <Alice> Is the stream working?
05:30 <Schism> Looks to be...!
05:30 <Schism> Though I'm afraid I'm watching Chaos;Child right now with a friend.
05:46 <Ali> Well that was a lame seed
05:46 <Ali> I honestly hate Triforce hunts cause they end well before you really get to see how bad the seed is.
05:46 <Alice> ...
05:46 <Alice> I just ripped off bob's head.
06:01 <Ali> Certified!
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06:08 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
06:11 <Alice> Hey Rifty.
06:11 <Alice> https://www.twitch.tv/cepheidvar Got something for ya to watch.
06:13 <ConfusionRift> Oh boy, hand floppage, the game, v2.0. :P
06:20 <Schism> Chaos;Child is fun so far.
06:35 * ConfusionRift boops Schism. :P
06:45 * PrincessRainbows spots ConfusionRift and glomps. woof neigh
06:46 * ConfusionRift pets PrincessRainbows. :P
06:47 <RazorSharpFang> Just finished filing my taxes. Turns out I owe the tax-office money.
06:49 * PrincessRainbows wags her tail so much and covers ConfusionRift in filly lickies
07:04 * ConfusionRift boops PrincessRainbows. :P
07:04 * Alice rips off Bob's head.
07:04 <ConfusionRift> I was gonna mention there was a second blood stopper. You kinda grabbed it from the skeleton on the vent. :P
07:04 * Alice melts.
07:04 <Alice> Oooh, right.
07:05 <Alice> Still, getting up to that vent was a challenge in and of itself.
07:05 <Schism> There is something to be said here about Alice and Bob, but instead, I'm going to nap now. G'night, folks!
07:05 <ConfusionRift> The stage was confusing.
07:05 <Alice> It was a custom stage.
07:05 <ConfusionRift> Have a good one!
07:05 * ConfusionRift nods.
07:05 <Alice> Interesting to see all the different features that editor has.
07:06 <ConfusionRift> It was pretty extensive.
07:07 <ConfusionRift> You can make some really nasty stuff with them logistics,
07:08 <Alice> Wonder if they'll add more parts to move around. Remove them eyes, the brain. But, given the precision here, I doubt it.
07:09 * PrincessRainbows boops ConfusionRift with her tennis ball and barks
07:10 <ConfusionRift> plays around with PrincessRainbows, using the tennis ball. :P
07:10 * Alice carefully picks up the tennis ball, drops it. Carefully picks up the tennis ball again, drops it.
07:11 * PrincessRainbows rolls around and wags her tail
07:11 <Alice> Anyhow, yeah. I won their little competition. Got a key.
07:11 <Alice> Lasts until Monday.
07:13 <Alice> You don't get as much control over the hand as you had in the first game, alas. So no giving Bob the finger.
07:15 <ConfusionRift> Yeah, I found it to be an odd design change. Actually, it doesn't feel much of a surgeon simulator, and more of a puzzler with floppy hands.
07:15 <ConfusionRift> Sorry, hand.
07:15 <ConfusionRift> You only work with one.
07:15 <Alice> Bleh, I shouldn't have done the voice chat. Throat's feeling bad now. Blaaaah.
07:25 <Alice> Is it Winter yet?
07:27 <ConfusionRift> Not in here, and unsure if the temp is gonna go down by then.
07:29 <Ali> Winter...yes winter...
07:31 <Alice> My bedroom basically becomes unlivable when I do gaming in it, and I want it to drop to Fall or Winter temperatures so I can get back to games.
07:38 <Ali> This is kinda why my PC room has a AC unit in it
07:39 <Ali> Though this house's ventalation is what I'd call piss poor
07:40 <Alice> Not that lucky.
07:40 * PrincessRainbows barks at Ali and chews on her hooves
07:40 <Ali> Like two rooms of the house can be hot, while another one cool
07:40 <Alice> Won't lie though, I would not mind buying a small A/C. But I don't know my room's di- ... *Notices the measuring tape nearby*
07:40 <Ali> All on the second floor
07:43 <Alice> 13 feet by 9.5 feet.
07:43 <Alice> 123.5 square feet.
07:46 <ConfusionRift> I think a 5K BTU should do just fine. Besides, they're the cheapest.
07:48 <Alice> Yeah, some calculators suggest 5K.
07:48 <Alice> The catch,
07:49 <Alice> It can't be a window unit.
07:49 <ConfusionRift> Don't have an available window?
07:50 <Alice> Not one that will allow a unit to fit in it, no.
07:50 <Alice> The window in my bedroom is one of those door-like ones that opens on a hinge.
07:51 <ConfusionRift> That's an issue.
07:51 <ConfusionRift> There are portable units, but still require venting to the outside.
07:52 <Alice> That can be done, at least.
07:52 <Ali> Mine is a freestanding AC unit
07:52 <Ali> cause the HOA frowns hard on in window ACs
07:53 <Alice> Just need to replace the screen with a plastic sheet of appropriate size, and with a gap for the vents.
07:53 <ConfusionRift> Does it have a hose leading to a window?
07:53 <Ali> yeah, but that's it, nothing hangs out the window.
07:54 <ConfusionRift> That's the thing. It's one of those hinged windows, not a sliding one. So holding the vent in place might be problematic.
07:54 <ConfusionRift> Then again, one can do some... modifications to the venting.
07:55 <ConfusionRift> Oh, another thing. Portable ones, AKA standing units, are more expensive, even the 5k units.
07:57 <Alice> Actually, in this case, there's a simple solution.
07:57 <Ali> I don't know if I can call this thing 'portable'
07:57 <Ali> Its pretty large
07:57 <Alice> The window is... interestingly designed.
07:58 <Alice> The way it's designed, I could technically just take a properly sized piece of plexiglass or plastic sheeting, and replace the screen with that plastic.
07:58 <Alice> The screen's just a panel held in by four small clips that are rotated over on top of the panel.
07:59 <Alice> It's not held into a sliding mechanism or anything special.
07:59 <ConfusionRift> Ali: They are called portable because you can move it around from place to place, A window unit is meant to be more or less permanent.
07:59 <ConfusionRift> They're still big and heavy, of course.
08:00 <Alice> They're also cheaper, from the looks of things, the window units.
08:00 <Alice> The portable ones are freakishly expensive.
08:00 * ConfusionRift nods.
08:01 <ConfusionRift> The cheapest we've sold a 5K windows unit is $100. A portable one of the same is $200-$250.
08:02 <ConfusionRift> I should also point out some have dehumidifiers and integrated heaters.
08:02 <Alice> If you can even find a 5k unit.
08:02 <Alice> A majority of them seem designed for 400-500 or more square feet. Far more than my bedroom.
08:02 <ConfusionRift> Yeah, heat has been a problem. 5k units are out, or have a price hike.
08:05 <Ali> I don't remember what unit thing is, or the cost. Its several years old
08:05 <Alice> Annoyingly?
08:05 <Alice> My original window *WOULD* have accomodated a window unit.
08:05 <Alice> They replaced it with this stupid thing I have now.
08:06 <ConfusionRift> Aesthetics! :P
08:07 <Alice> Honestly?
08:07 <Alice> I'm inclined to say they did it to prevent window A/Cs.
08:11 * ConfusionRift shrugs.
08:13 <Alice> Basic logic being that A/C units in the windows most visible will hurt housing value.
08:13 <Alice> Therefore, replace all the windows under the auspices of efficiency with windows that don't allow them.
08:15 <Alice> Honestly, I wouldn't even be considering an A/C, if my bedroom weren't inexplicably designed to prevent airflow somehow.
08:15 <Alice> I stand out my bedroom, I can feel air flowing out from it. But if I stand in front of my window, there's no airflow coming in. Even when it's windy as all hell.
08:18 <ConfusionRift> Hmmm.
08:22 <Alice> So, there's a black and decker unit. Amazon US has it at $350.
08:22 <Alice> Guess the Amazon Canada price.
08:22 <Ali> $425?
08:23 <Alice> $1,208.
08:23 <ConfusionRift> Hahahaaaa... nope!
08:24 <Ali> Yeah that's a nope
08:26 <ConfusionRift> Guh, units are expensive over there.
08:27 <Alice> Everything is.
08:28 <Alice> Usually due to import fees or arbitrary upcharging.
08:28 <Alice> I'm just gonna have to deal with the heat, I think.,
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08:31 * PrincessRainbows grabby hooves at Ali and makes incoherent filly noises
08:31 * Ali pat pats PrincessRainbows and gives her treats
08:32 <Alice> Alternatively, I design a case for my PC such that I can attach ductwork to it, directed to my front window, and vent the hot air using high-airflow case fans.
08:33 <Alice> But given that, while I know how to measure, I do not know how to cut various materials, nor weld, meld, or construct a case.
08:33 <Alice> I don't think I can do that.
08:33 * PrincessRainbows noms and climbs up on Ali
08:51 * PrincessRainbows hugs ConfusionRift and makes more incoherent filly noises
08:52 * ConfusionRift also make some incoherent noises, and boops PrincessRainbows. :P
08:59 <Tirek> Greeting.
08:59 <Alice> Banana.
09:00 <ConfusionRift> Hallooo.
09:00 <Tirek> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzB4nNEiroQ
09:00 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
09:00 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about No Bananas For Deborah - wizaman (Sample Pack Contest VI)
09:01 <Tirek> Had a pokemon tabletop game yesterday. I grappled a beedril and survived.
09:04 <ConfusionRift> And suplex it, right? :P
09:05 <Alice> That only works on phantom trains.
09:06 * Ali sits on Tirek
09:12 <Tirek> Nah, I used the beedril as a body shield, and its cohorts - three sewaddle - tried to stringshot our party. I used the beedril to take that hit, then another party member dragon-raged the beedril dead.
09:12 <ConfusionRift> Hehehe.
09:13 <Tirek> After the beedril was taken care of, one of the sewaddle was knocked out, and then I captured the rest in my big, beefy smeargle arms.
09:13 <Tirek> Carried them out of the dungeon and threw them at our guildmaster.
09:13 <Tirek> It isn't a successful session unless you take prisoners.
09:16 <Tirek> This is the most fun I've had playing a tabletop game, I like the way the dm runs the game.
09:17 * Alice noms iron.
09:19 <Tirek> Do not eat the iron
09:23 *** Angeline is now known as Dranae
09:23 *** Dranae is now known as Angie
09:23 *** Angie is now known as dranae
09:23 *** dranae is now known as Dranae
09:26 * Alice noms hot saltwater, then.
09:27 <Alice> Mouth is starting to look better. Starting to wonder if those white patches in the back though are scarring from my tonsilectomy years ago.
09:30 <Alice> And a quick perusal through pictures I now need to scrub from my head suggests that yes, yes those spots are scarring.
09:33 <Alice> That said, throat's looking mighty fine, now.
09:37 <Alice> Heh.
09:37 <Alice> The Satisfactory devs tried to do a joke on Twitter.
09:37 <Alice> It didn't end well.
09:38 <Alice> A player swam out as far as possible, and revealed that a bit of scenery in the distance was actually incomplete behind the scenery that you normally see.
09:38 <Alice> The devs jokingly went "Let's make #CancelMichaelCarmody trending" as a joke, and people threw a FIT.
09:40 <Alice> People are way too high strung on social media.
09:42 <ConfusionRift> It's been like this for a while. Nothing is funny, all is criticism, and "my stance is better than yours". Getting kinda scary. Some people take it waaaay too seriously.
09:45 <ConfusionRift> But whatever. I'm invisible there, and ain't gonna let that bother me much.
09:46 <Alice> Heh.
09:46 * Alice makes a joke on Twitter about turning the folks who are high strung into ice cubes. To chill out.
09:46 * Alice expects hate mail within the next 24 hours.
09:49 * PrincessRainbows curls up under ConfusionRift and makes scared little filly noises before sleepies
09:50 * Alice emits rainbows from her mouth.
09:52 <Alice> Man, my arm is covered in small red spots. o3o
09:54 * PrincessRainbows grabs her pacifier and clutches her favorite plushie. Nighty night
09:58 * ConfusionRift lightly pats PrincessRainbows.
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10:09 <Alice> How many more days of this amoxicillin do I have left? x3x;
10:10 <Alice> Three days, looks like.
10:14 * Schism grumbles.
10:15 <Alice> Hmm?
10:17 <Schism> 3 hours of sleep appears to be all my brain's going to let me have.
10:17 <Alice> Strange. My mother had the same problem.
10:18 <Alice> Granted hers was caused by her right shoulder going bad. Same thing as my dad, tendons are getting torn from arthritis.
10:20 <Schism> Less of a problem as much as "I took a nap earlier yesterday and this is how my body is getting revenge."
10:20 <Alice> Ah.
10:20 <Schism> Also, dealing with dysphoria = "Okay, turns out I like shorts after all."
10:20 <Alice> Yeah, I don't really take naps. More like I can't, unless forced.
10:21 <Alice> In which case, yeah, my body gets revenge later.
10:22 *** Quits: Ali (Ali@Pony-b42e8t.4nua.5fca.1702.2600.IP) (Quit: Leaving)
10:27 <Alice> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoIA-tkdQ1g
10:27 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
10:27 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about [TAS] Super Mario 64 \\\"0 Stars\\\" by Mickey, Snark \\u0026 ToT in 05:04.47
10:28 * ConfusionRift checks his schedule, then sighs.
10:29 <ConfusionRift> I'm just gonna watch this video, then force crash.
10:29 <Alice> It's 10 minutes tota, so...
10:30 <ConfusionRift> Also, can tell it's been emulated. Then again, TAS is a pain to console verify and run.
10:31 <Alice> Mmhmm.
10:31 * ConfusionRift sees the first alternate universe jump. "This is gonna be short, huh."
10:34 <ConfusionRift> Yep, that's done. :P
10:34 <Schism> Alice: ... Zack appears to be channeling me.
10:34 <Alice> Oh?
10:35 <Alice> I channeled Charon a few days ago, myself. Internally.
10:35 <Schism> AzulCrescent updated.
10:35 <Alice> "So you're not fine, right?"
10:35 <ConfusionRift> I wonder... is there a TAS of Wiz N Liz?
10:36 <Schism> Alice: "You should eat something."
10:36 <Alice> You just started eating food?
10:36 <Schism> How many times have I told people in the midst of a crisis that they should get something to eat?
10:37 <ConfusionRift> Food is for the weak! (flops) ...eeeeeehhhh...
10:37 <Alice> There is that, yes.
10:37 <Alice> I stop eating when I get stressed, which is the opposite of what most people do when they get stressed.
10:38 <ConfusionRift> There's an SGDQ run from 2 years ago. Hmmm.
10:39 <Alice> Seriously though, the other day my brain just looked inward and started going "AAAAHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh!" and "*Mutter* *Mutter* *Mutter* *Mutter*" for most of the day. For some reason, the shock hit me belatedly.
10:39 <Schism> Yup. Well, you were coming up at the end of that cycle, too.
10:40 <Alice> Mmhmm.
10:40 <Schism> I can't help but suspect that was the point at which your mind decided to process everything at once.
10:40 <Alice> Still, a better end of the cycle than usual.
10:40 <Alice> It was, yes.
10:41 <Alice> I'm actually starting to think that what's happening with my cyclical stuff is that it's... just when my brain decides enough is enough, and needs to process all the stuff it's been trying to ignore for several weeks.
10:42 <Alice> That said, it didn't end as bad as it usually does.
10:42 <Alice> So either my brain just has less on it to worry about now, or I'm getting better at managing it.
10:44 <Schism> I'd say the latter...!
10:45 <Tirek> Scrambled eggs and bacon on toasted italian bread. I'm going to regret all those calories, but damn was it good.
10:46 <Schism> Sounds like a fine fry-up to me.
10:46 <Tirek> Thank ya.
10:47 <Schism> Bit of leftover shepherd's pie for me.
10:48 <ConfusionRift> Mmmmm, bacon...
10:48 <Alice> Got a container of cooked bacon in the fridge. Tempted to eat it. But I think I'll just eat a bagel with cream cheese instead.
10:50 <Alice> Man, the hinge on this laptop is crazy.
10:50 <ConfusionRift> Oh, didn't notice that. The snake boss gets cut in half by the end.
10:51 <Schism> Alice: I fail to see why you couldn't crumble some bacon onto said bagel.
10:51 <Alice> Because then it'd ruin the flavor of the cream cheese.
10:52 * Schism tilts her head, uncomprehending.
10:52 <Schism> You've never had bacon cream cheese?
10:52 <ConfusionRift> All I know all bosses look creepy. Freakin' Psygnosis.
10:52 <Alice> No. But at the same time, I like the taste of regular cream cheese a lot.
10:53 <Alice> So I don't like modifying the taste of plain cream cheese when I want plain cream cheese. :P
10:53 <Schism> Fair enough!
10:54 <Schism> Psyg-- oh, Wiz n Liz. For a moment there I was wondering, because when I think Psygnosis, I think Lemmings.
10:54 <ConfusionRift> Boo, it was just Wizard difficulty. :P
10:55 <Schism> I seem to remember something about how that moon gave you a complex.
10:55 <Alice> Ah, the game with the friggen creepy moon.
10:55 * Lumindia_ yawns
10:55 * Lumindia_ hugs Schism and Alice
10:55 * Schism snugs the Lumindia back.
10:56 * Alice hugs back.
10:56 <ConfusionRift> I just found the moon creepy, is all. Nothing to the point of me never finishing the game. :P
10:56 <Lumindia_> 'botth of ya are lovely~! <3
10:59 * Alice noms on Lumindia_'s head.
10:59 * Lumindia_ is nom'd
10:59 * Lumindia_ tastes like... something
10:59 <Lumindia_> I'll get back to you on my flavor in a moment
11:00 <Alice> You taste like Bob.
11:00 <Alice> From Surgeon Simulator.
11:00 <Lumindia_> what does Bob taste like?
11:02 <Alice> Like unknown chemicals and blood.
11:02 <Alice> Because you inject him with all sorts of stuff haphazardly.
11:02 <ConfusionRift> Yep, now I remember why this game gave me such anxiety, especially on the hardest difficulty.
11:02 <Lumindia_> what game?
11:02 <ConfusionRift> Wiz 'n' Liz.
11:03 <Schism> Lumindia_, Alice has also been playing Surgeon Simulator 2.
11:03 <Alice> I got one of the closed beta keys a few days ago. o3o
11:04 <Schism> The first patient is a poor guy who had a heart attack and got into a car crash after being menaced by a loaf of bread.
11:05 <Lumindia_> ... well that's a callback
11:05 <Alice> Nah. Lung transplant.
11:05 <Schism> Oh, okay.
11:05 <Lumindia_> I remember THAT game
11:05 <Alice> No, wait.
11:05 <Alice> Leg replacement. Lung was second patient.
11:05 <Alice> Alas, the game's changed a bit.
11:06 <Alice> But it does have potential for interesting situations.
11:06 <Alice> You can move around the operating room and everything now.
11:06 <Alice> So you can move around, pick stuff up, use it to break open Bob's chest, etc.
11:06 <Alice> You can remove the legs, arms and head.
11:06 <Lumindia_> wait what purpose does that last one serve?
11:06 <Alice> You also need to use a device to scan Bob to figure out what needs replacing.
11:07 <Alice> Well, sometimes you need your head to be replaced, don't you?
11:08 <ConfusionRift> As I mentioned earlier, it feels more like they're turning it more into a puzzle style kind of game. It's no longer you in one room. You can have multiple rooms, in which they could serve no purpose, or you actually need to use them.
11:08 <Alice> Part of that is presumably for the multiplayer aspect.
11:08 <ConfusionRift> Oh, and your right arm doesn't work anymore. :P
11:08 <Alice> You don't have a right arm.
11:08 <Alice> Even in the original.
11:08 <Alice> It's only one arm that you use.
11:09 <Lumindia_> so it's less 'jank-ass controls and funny game' and more 'actual surgeon puzzle'?
11:09 <ConfusionRift> Oh... hmm, right.
11:09 <Alice> You're thinking of the multiplayer for the first game.
11:09 <Alice> Which allowed a player to play as another arm.
11:09 <Schism> Pff. In Germany, a wild boar steals a nudist bather's laptop, he runs after it and catches it in the buff while others look on and capture pictures (to which he says 'publish away!').
11:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #2017 [ http://tinyurl.com/y4yjpqkh ]
11:09 <Alice> Lumindia_: Sorta. Still got jank-ass controls, but they added some Portal mixed into it, and multiplayer.
11:09 <ConfusionRift> Lumindia_: It's still janky, just in another way.
11:10 <Alice> But, again, it's a beta. Early release game. Like, really early.
11:10 <Alice> On the upside?
11:10 <Alice> Editor. So, you can create your own operating situations.
11:10 <Lumindia_> ooo
11:10 <Lumindia_> that sounds like it has potential
11:10 <Alice> Mmmhmm.
11:11 <Alice> And the beta's content was reasonably complete and interesting. Included power connections, logic gates, various sensors, timers, displays, etc.
11:11 <ConfusionRift> You still have a salami for an arm, and you still have to operate. Thing is... it doesn't feel as complex in terms of the operation. They added more complexity to everything else. As Alice said and I pointed previously, it feels like they're trying to merge Surgeon Simulator with Portal aspects.
11:12 <Alice> There's likely still content missing, as well. It wouldn't surprise me if they added more complex surgery stuff later on.
11:12 <ConfusionRift> Oh goodness...
11:13 <Alice> Still, nothing like busting open a ribcage with a chair.
11:13 <Lumindia_> this beta sounds like it's a 'here's the new stuff that our engine can do' kind of thing
11:13 <Alice> More or less.
11:13 <Alice> I'm waiting to see if they extend the surgery stuff to complex machinery.
11:14 <Alice> Instead of just cutting body parts and breaking bones, you start cutting electrical wires, and throwing in PCBs or microchips into a computer and calling the job "done"
11:14 <Lumindia_> computer surgeon simulator when?
11:15 <ConfusionRift> But yeah, sometimes you got everything in one room, other times everything is scattered in multiple rooms, other times you need to use your wits get what you need and still have to keep the patient alive somehow.
11:15 <Lumindia_> where you discover 'uh oh, the PSU is fried, use surgeon simulator physics to replace it!'
11:15 <ConfusionRift> Now that's Trauma Center levels of hazard. :P
11:15 <Alice> Heh.
11:16 <ConfusionRift> On one of them, you had to defuse a bomb.
11:16 <Alice> Also, somehow you're strong enough to rip limbs and organs right out of Bob. Don't advise it though.
11:16 <Schism> First one, mission 12 or something.
11:16 <Alice> If you do, it basically causes him to start bleeding out like mad.
11:16 <Alice> Apparently, using a saw or a scalpel makes it less damaging.
11:16 <ConfusionRift> I should point out you just ripped this guys arm with just one hand? :P
11:16 <Alice> Or an axe.
11:16 <Schism> ConfusionRift: Not as bad as THAT ONE FREAKING MISSION WITH 5 KYRIAKI PATIENTS ahem excuse me I'm slightly salty about that one still.
11:17 <ConfusionRift> Never played that one, but am aware of it.
11:17 <Alice> Or the time I removed and replaced the wrong body part, ConfusionRift?
11:17 <ConfusionRift> Leg Man? :P
11:18 <Alice> I spent all that time carefully removing the body part and injecting unknown chemicals into him, only to later find out I replaced the wrong limb.
11:18 <Schism> ConfusionRift: Beating the 5-Kyriaki mission in under 10 minutes gets you an automatic S-rank.
11:18 <Alice> Cue cursing and swearing, and laughter as I realize my mistake.
11:19 <ConfusionRift> Oh yeah, and the game trying to take you on a trip to Level 0. :P
11:21 <Alice> https://www.twitch.tv/videos/703900458?t=00h46m04s
11:21 * Filly_Nightmares yawnskrees and curls up on Alice
11:22 <Alice> Ah yes, the glitch.
11:23 <Alice> The worst part is, I even see the screen at one point and don't realize I cut off the WRONG PART.
11:28 <ConfusionRift> That whole thing was a trip. :P
11:30 <Alice> Long story short, don't ask me to do surgery for you.
11:31 <Alice> And for those wondering, yes, the game does allow arbitrary reconnecting of limbs.
11:31 * ConfusionRift slow nods.
11:31 <Alice> While playing in the editor, I detached the head and attached a leg in it's place, and attached the head in the place of a leg.
11:31 <ConfusionRift> LEG MAN!
11:33 <Alice> A leg for a head, a head for a leg, and an arm for an arm.
11:36 <Alice> Also, with respect to Portal..
11:36 <Alice> The game makes a reference to Half-Life 2.
11:37 <Lumindia_> didn't surgeon sim 1 have that "Meet the Medic" scene in it?
11:37 <Alice> Yes.
11:37 <Alice> As well as an alien, and, eventually Donald Trump, if I recall correctly.
11:39 <Lumindia_> '-'
11:40 <Alice> So yeah, I can see there being different individuals to perform surgery on later in SS2. Just, only in the complete game.
11:41 <Lumindia_> guessing right now it's just 'generic patient model'?
11:45 <Alice> Basically.
11:46 <Alice> In fact, there was a lot of stuff implemented for the editor that, as far as I could tell, was unused for the story missions.
11:46 <Lumindia_> maybe they'll get used in the later missions?
11:48 <Alice> https://www.romper.com/p/trolls-world-tour-doll-pulled-from-stores-due-to-inappropriate-button-30953280 ... I... what... How does this even-
11:52 <ConfusionRift> I... okay, the button in reference is on the bottom of the toy, NOT between their legs. Still, why have that button there?
11:53 <ConfusionRift> Actually, by the angle, it is in between. Then again, why even have that there? It can easily be elsewhere. I think people are still too touchy and aggressive.
11:55 <Alice> Mmm, well, the problem is that you put it anywhere near the butt, thighs, etc, it's going to cause trouble.
11:55 <Alice> It's one of those things though that should have made the designers go "Hmmm..."
11:58 <ConfusionRift> Okay, but design-wise. Like... is she supposed to react you putting her down on the table and that's why that's there? Oooor... well don't know where the mindset was on design, so... pfffttt...
11:59 <Alice> It was apparently supposed to be for when you sat her down.
12:00 <ConfusionRift> Maybe something like space heater switches. They have a killswitch at the button, so if they fall over, they automatically shut off. Suppose she cheers when you grab her from a table or flat surface.
12:02 <Schism> There's stupid. There's terminally stupid. And then there's 'getting arrested for drunk driving 5 times in a decade, getting paroled after killing someone that way, and then going on to celebrate drunk driving on social media' stupid.
12:04 <ConfusionRift> That's not stupid. That's something else, which I can't say here, even censored. It exceeds that.
12:06 <Schism> Quite... https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/08/06/she-boasted-about-drunk-driving-then-she-killed-a-cyclist-then-she-got-parole-she-was-just-sentenced-to-18-months-for-driving-drunk-again.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
12:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Elements of Justice ~ Turnabout Theatre (Case 1) [ http://tinyurl.com/y2r2lhwb ]
12:10 <Alice> Since you're the mod and can't break the rules and it looks back on you, I'll just take the blame and say it: It's fucked up is what it is.
12:10 <Schism> 'When OPP officers caught up with Selinevich she initially denied she had been drinking, despite the dozen empty beer cans in the car, an odour of alcohol emanating from the vehicle, and two passengers who appeared to be intoxicated. A breathalyzer test determined her blood alcohol level was more than 160 milligrams per 100 millilitres.'
12:13 <Schism> 'Two years less a day'? Odd request by the prosecution.
12:13 <ConfusionRift> "We're going to revoke your license for 10 years... thought, it doesn't matter. It's past your third time, and the DMV is NOT going to give you a chance."
12:14 *** Quits: Golden (uid250033@Pony-sd90bk.tooting.irccloud.com) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
12:14 <Schism> Basically, ConfusionRift.
12:14 <ConfusionRift> Two years minus the day of processing.
12:14 <Schism> Ah, of course. And yes. The ability to operate a motor vehicle is a privilege, one in which I'm not sure I'll ever partake.
12:15 * ConfusionRift patpats Schism. "Same..."
12:18 <Schism> I like how Murie just went, "What. No. Why would we want to work with her, she's a terrible person."
12:20 <ConfusionRift> Yeah. They know what a lost cause looks like.
12:38 <Schism> How nice of the NYT to describe a certain anti-fascist tag as "a radical, leaderless leftist political movement that uses armed, violent protests".
12:39 <ConfusionRift> Blarg... have to sleep for work. Laters!
12:39 *** Quits: ConfusionRift (ConfusionRi@Pony-mng.irn.56.193.IP) (Quit: Recharging the batteries. Laters! *shutdown*)
12:43 *** Joins: cabbage (cabbage@Pony-c37bqa.dynamic.sonic.net)
12:47 <RazorSharpFang> Is that the A in a circle?
12:48 <Schism> Nah, that's anarchism in general.
12:48 <RazorSharpFang> The ref-left triangle with the right-black triangle?
12:51 * Filly_Nightmares yawnskrees and uses Schism as a bed and Alice as a blankie and goes sleepies on
12:54 <Alice> Nothing like a sudden episode of "Oh gods my entire body itches" to force a shower.
12:56 <Alice> https://i.imgur.com/IyINqM3.png Whelp, there goes one exploit.
12:57 <Alice> Basically, by bulding the line of belts next to a long cliff like that, when the cliff at the very end was destroyed, it caused the game to destroy the line of cliffs as well, because it couldn't find a new place to put an end piece.
12:58 <RazorSharpFang> That's interesting.
12:59 <Alice> End pieces are diagonally placed, and therefore wider. This makes it impossible to place between belts constructed in that manner.
12:59 <RazorSharpFang> At least without destroying the belt, but also ensuring they aren't on top of each-other.
13:01 <Alice> Mmhmm.
13:01 <Alice> The best solution here would probably be to destroy the belts as well.
13:15 <Schism> Trending in Canada: #coffee. ...that sounds like a good idea, actually.
13:16 <Schism> Big dawg, smol cat. https://twitter.com/echo262/status/1292084904231133184
13:19 <RazorSharpFang> I also think Coffee is a good idea.
13:21 <Schism> Also, huh. Pone meme. https://twitter.com/loophoof/status/1291818506393022464
13:22 <RazorSharpFang> Nice
13:23 <RazorSharpFang> Have you heard about the scenario with Patreon?
13:23 <Schism> I hope everypone recognizes the song. o3o; Aaaaand no, what have they done now?
13:23 <RazorSharpFang> They're being buried in arbitration claims and may die from the legal costs involved.
13:24 <Schism> Oh, ... well. Crudcakes.
13:24 <Schism> Not that I'm the biggest fan of theirs, but a lot of people rely on them to get by.
13:24 <RazorSharpFang> This originated because Patreon decided to ban people for posts made on non-Patreon platforms.
13:24 <Schism> thWHAT.
13:25 <RazorSharpFang> As it happens, quite a few of the people banned were artists who put "other" art on "other" platforms.
13:25 <Schism> You can just say Pixiv, we know the score.
13:25 <Schism> Or FA or whatever.
13:25 <RazorSharpFang> But yeah, it seems weird to be banned for posts on other websites???
13:28 <RazorSharpFang> Could you imagine being banned on facebook for a twitter post?
13:28 <Alice> This does not shock me.
13:29 <Alice> Mostly because it's not a new thing.
13:29 <RazorSharpFang> I'd rather it not be a thing.
13:29 <Alice> So would I.
13:29 <Alice> But it's not going to happen.
13:29 <RazorSharpFang> Well, there are lawsuits going on right now.
13:30 <Alice> In any case, this is just another nail in the coffin for Patreon.
13:31 <RazorSharpFang> Hopefully they're'll be alternatives that don't fall into the same pit.
13:31 <Alice> That said, another will simply take it's place, and the cycle shall repeat.
13:31 <RazorSharpFang> Even in cycles, there are changes between cycles.
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13:52 <Alice> Shall I have unusual dreams again today? Yesterday, they involved me, Schism, Ali, and Confusion taking part in some sort of advanced, VR variant of an L4D-style game, set in the far future. Of note was that the game's "world" spanned multiple galaxies, each comprising of a number of stars, each comprising of a number of planets, upon which each had a single map to play. The further out from the "inner galaxies" we traveled,
13:52 <Alice> the harder it got.
13:52 <Schism> That sounds like a really neat idea for a game.
13:52 <Alice> It ended with us using a combination of a tank, electromagnetism, and a massive ****-off crane to lift said tank into the air to counteract the primarily ground-based boss of one of the maps.
13:53 <Alice> Also at least one vehicle to distract the boss while we set the magnet-tank-crane thing up.
13:53 <Alice> Schism was dealing with the crane. I was dealing with the magnetic solution for the tank-crane combo. Confusion was the one running distraction. Ali was readying the tank for boom boom.
13:55 <Alice> Unlike the L4D-style games(The L4D series, the Warhammer-themed games, and so on), each map had multiple paths to take that were all open in one way or another(Secret paths, hidden behind locked doors, trap-protected, etc.), and trap-filled along with enemy-filled. It was... Unusual.
13:56 <Alice> That the other three folks were people I knew made it weirder. If it is a premonition of things to come, all I can really say is that we worked well. Ali also seemed to have gotten over her shyness.
14:00 <Alice> Unfortunately, my appearance, as well as Schism's were unknown. For some reason, while I knew who the relevant entity was, I could not make out their form. A black fog obstructed my view. Ali, the only thing I could recall was long hair. Rifty, predictably, was a robot of some sort.
14:01 <Alice> We were all arseholes to one another, but in the silly way. We worked well together, but some of us would wander off ahead, and see or bypass traps, but not mention it to the others. We all did it to one another at some point.
14:01 <Alice> I didn't mention a pitfall trap to Rifty and Ali, that returned them to an earlier point in the relevant level.
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14:02 <Alice> Later level, someone just fails to mention that a bunch of platforms were rigged with buttons that caused boulders to fall from above and crush me.
14:03 <Alice> Schism was eaten by a mechanical worm hiding underneath a floor of sand in a vast room.
14:04 <Alice> Amusingly, it made a cute *NOM* sound as it did.
14:04 <Lumindia_> heh
14:05 <Schism> This seems an appropriate demise. I'm okay with that.
14:08 <Alice> It was the weirdest damned thing. My dreams are getting weirder, and I don't know why.
14:09 <Alice> I suspect, though, that it had to do with the fact that Schism, Ali, and ConfusionRift were some of the last few people I talked to yesterday before going to sleep, and that I was listening to a lot of video game music before sleepy times.
14:09 <Schism> Certainly those are triggers for such a peculiar dream.
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14:21 <Schism> Ah. This is typical. Two high school students in Georgia have been suspended for sharing images of their peers in a crowded hallway -- most of which are maskless.
14:22 <Schism> Ah, one was later unsuspended following considerations (and media attention).
14:24 <Alice> Mmhmm.
14:24 <Alice> Anyhoo, sleepytimes.
14:25 <Schism> Nap well.
14:27 <Schism> Oh, huh. The Blue Jays were told by the Canadian government, "You know what? You wanna play baseball? Have fun in the US this season."
14:53 <Schism> This is a pretty smart way to convey illiteracy/dyslexia in a manner which makes sense to readers. https://www.undivinecomic.com/comic/page-364
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15:15 * PrincessRainbows sniffs Lumindia_ and bleps
15:34 <Schism> Tweet of the day: "Was the bat alright?"
15:43 <Schism> Writing prompts are fun. :> https://twitter.com/theogrin/status/1292123732258037762
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16:06 <Schism> Ah well. To work, to work, I go now. To bring all these shoes out, alright?
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17:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Episode Rewatch - MLP Season 4 Episode 5 - 6 - Flight to the Finish / Power Ponies [ http://tinyurl.com/y2gnh9xd ]
17:16 * PrincessRainbows boops Ali with her snoot and flops upon
17:17 * Ali snugs the little filly and holds her close.
17:18 * PrincessRainbows boops the Ali with her dashie plushie and giggles
17:32 * Ali brushies PrincessRainbows more and snugs her tight.
17:33 * PrincessRainbows suddenly looks up at Ali and grabby hooves because scared filly
17:36 * Ali hugs PrincessRainbows close
17:37 * PrincessRainbows yays
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17:42 * luckyspirit noses Ali in greeting
17:42 * Ali squeaks at luckyspirit
17:43 * luckyspirit smiles and squeaks back at Ali in greeting
17:43 * Ali flops over luckyspirit with a PrincessRainbows filly cause she was a scared filly
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17:44 * luckyspirit ist flopped on! And offers cuddles to PrincessRainbows
17:46 * PrincessRainbows offers the luckyspirit a plushie
17:48 * luckyspirit happily curls up with said plushie.
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18:31 * Lumindia_ hugs all the ponies nearby!
18:31 <Lumindia_> \o 3o/
18:34 <Lumindia_> ÆÜGH
18:38 * Ali boops Lumindia_ snoot
18:42 * PrincessRainbows also boops Lumindia_'s snootle
18:42 * Lumindia_ is booped twice
18:42 * Lumindia_ squeaks at both of them in turn
18:42 * Lumindia_ then counterboop
19:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Tropical Humor / Together / Chariots / Shortest Way / Twist of Faith Finale / New Beginnings 61-62 / Signing Off 46 [ http://tinyurl.com/yy7onaql ]
19:36 * PrincessRainbows giggles and wags her tail
19:42 * Lumindia_ brushes Rainbows
19:42 <Lumindia_> o vo
19:48 * Schism flops over Ali. Offers fish and chips, with tartar sauce.
19:49 * Ali noms the food and leans into Schism heavily.
19:53 * Schism squeezes the Ali. "Your computer box needs more words. Like this one here! And this one, and this one..."
19:53 * Ali headtilts
19:54 <Schism> Silly web animation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az49aNuYeJs
20:01 * PrincessRainbows hugs all the ponies and flops
20:08 <Lumindia_> "Did you get a virus?"
20:08 <Schism> No...
20:08 <Lumindia_> "Did you get 400,000 viruses?"
20:09 <Schism> Yes... VERY YES...
20:09 <Lumindia_> "Hurry up and do something about it before it gets worse!"
20:09 <Lumindia_> *turns into a jpeg
20:14 * Schism somehow runs out of the channel and onto the rest of the screen.
20:36 <Lumindia_> '-'
20:36 * Lumindia_ pats Schism, snugs
21:07 * PrincessRainbows boops Lumindia_ with her snoot and hugs
21:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: My Little Pony Speedpaint Compilation #146 [ http://tinyurl.com/yympxbf6 ]
21:12 * Filly_Nightmares sits in Schism
21:12 * Filly_Nightmares yawnskree
21:42 * Alice yawns, herself. "Bleh. I am beginning to hate antibiotics, despite their usefulness."
21:46 * Lumindia_ snugs Alice
21:46 <Lumindia_> o vo
21:52 <Alice> Morning Lumi.
22:01 <Alice> Since when have hoodies been considered a feminine piece of clothing, and why? I've always considered them unisex.
22:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #3425 [ http://tinyurl.com/y58obvna ]
22:13 <Nedemai> what? what? WHAT?!
22:13 <Nedemai> Who says that about hoodies?
22:13 <Nedemai> hoodies used to be like, the thing all the punk kids wore in the 90s and you got yelled at for being a degenerate if you did
22:14 <Nedemai> Also, I did the DA 20th birthday challenge dealie
22:14 <Nedemai> https://www.deviantart.com/nedemai/art/DA-20th-Birthday-851382221
22:16 <Schism> Microsleep is _fun._
22:20 * Schism heats up some coffee.
22:23 <Alice> People on subreddits, Twitter, etc. It seems wearing hoodies at some point has started leaning towards "feminine/girly".
22:24 <Nedemai> Im not going to stop wearing them
22:25 * Ali flops over Schism for needed cuddlings
22:25 <Ali> Man I want to do Factorio but with 1.0 just around the corner, I don't want the map to get screwy due to the change, even though the odds are small
22:26 <Lumindia_> wait 1.0 is coming out?
22:26 <Lumindia_> good lord, how long has Factorio been around?
22:26 <Alice> On the 14th.
22:27 <Lumindia_> I remember buying it waaaaaay back in the day
22:27 * Schism smacks herself on the head with a spoon. "Jennifer. Finish your coffee. Get back to work."
22:27 <Lumindia_> I think one of my usernames shows up on one of the buildings
22:27 <Lumindia_> if you see Knuckx117 or Lumindia show up as a sponsored building, that's me
22:28 <Ali> I usually don't pay attention to the names
22:28 <Schism> I think I've seen the former on a lab.
22:28 * Schism ahems. "Self..."
22:28 <Alice> Heh.
22:28 * Ali gives Schism PTO
22:29 <Alice> Usually the only names I notice are the weird-as-hell ones.
22:29 <Ali> If I get a train named that, I'll run someone over with it~
22:29 <Alice> Me. She means me.
22:30 <Ali> Eh I still haven't ran myself over with a train yet
22:30 <Ali> Once or twice by the cars
22:30 <Ali> but not by the locomotive itself
22:30 <Ali> Its like the oddest achievement I don't have on Factorio
22:31 <Lumindia_> so yeah, you've had me sponsor one of your labs then, Schism
22:31 <Lumindia_> ' w'
22:31 <Lumindia_> I bought Factorio super early back when that was an incentive to spend a little extra
22:32 <Alice> The oddest achievement I have is surviving a high-damage strike. From a train.
22:32 * Ali sits on Lumindia_. "You should play it again, much fun with others."
22:32 <Alice> Enough shields and health that I survived a train impact at full speed.
22:33 <Ali> I still wanna megafactory, and I hope with all the memory fixes they've done I don't lag to death when the big bugs come out.
22:33 <Alice> Hate to tell ya this, but megafactories have the distinction of lagging computers, no matter their power.
22:33 <Ali> Oh I'm sure
22:34 <Ali> But like I've rarely gone past the "HEY YOU WON THE GAME" button
22:34 <Alice> It's actually a way of benchmarking single-CPU performance these days.
22:34 <Alice> Or rather, single-core.
22:34 <Ali> It would be interesting to see how many weapons upgrades you need to get to make the beheamoth bugs fold like water.
22:35 <Lumindia_> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH0gcfE3Jpo
22:35 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
22:35 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about 【FF14】Neath Dark Waters -Amaurot Theme- (Hand crank Musicbox ver.)
22:35 <Lumindia_> this fills me with a sense of deep sadness and relaxation at the same time
22:35 <Alice> Due to it's deterministic nature, Factorio runs only on one CPU core. With exception to rendering, which utilizes multiple threads to do polygon submission and other stuff.
22:46 <Lumindia_> also patch 5.3 of XIV comes out on the 11th
22:46 <Lumindia_> so that'll have most of my attention
23:00 <Ali> Thanks rando, I love throwing away a blue fire for bugs just to get the slingshot to open the deku tree
23:06 * Lumindia_ gives ali a biiiiiig heckin' hug
23:13 * PrincessRainbows boops Ali also and offers a twilight plushie
23:15 <PrincessRainbows> also hay, cause horse
23:16 * Lumindia_ boops Rainbows, hugs!
23:16 <Lumindia_> Surprise hugs!
23:16 * PrincessRainbows giggles and makes silly filly noises back
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23:24 <Alice> Hum. I wonder if the reason Rocket Knight Adventure's boss music works so well because of how the opening builds up. https://youtu.be/KnslNk8HIaI
23:28 <Alice> We need a modernized remake of that game.
23:39 * PrincessRainbows trots off to play around after licking everypony
23:40 * Filly_Nightmares pants at Lumindia_
23:40 * Lumindia_ pets Surry gently
23:40 <Lumindia_> o vo
23:40 * Filly_Nightmares chews on Lumindia_!
23:43 <Alice> Huh. Dr. Weil from the Zero series had to be renamed from his Japanese incarnation due to an unforseen naming conflict stemming from as far back as Mega Man X.
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23:44 * Lumindia_ is chewed on
23:44 * Lumindia_ nibbles on Surry's ear in response
23:46 <Alice> His Japanese name is Dr. Vile. This conflicts with Vile from the X series. So they renamed him. Speaking if why it didn't conflict in the Japanese version, X series Vile was named Vava/Baba(same issue as the L/R distinction in Japanese) in Japan.
23:47 <Alice> Unfortunately, this renaming also caused another problem of it's own.
23:49 <Alice> Dr. Weil is the antagonist of the Zero series, and shared many traits with a certain Mad Scientist. People made a connection that didn't actually exist.
23:50 <Alice> Weil is not Wily, despite both names starting with W. It seems that in naming antagonistic elements that were in some way related to Wily, Capcom simply decided to make use of the letter W.
23:51 <Alice> And the name Albert.
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23:54 <Alice> https://i.redd.it/qsujot9z1re31.jpg
23:55 <Ali> Well there are a LOT of speculations about how Wily is involved in the X series
23:56 <Ali> Some say he built Zero, but we have no real idea about that
23:57 * Filly_Nightmares kneads Lumindia_ face
23:57 <Alice> Actually, it was hinted at several times that he did build Zero.
23:58 <Alice> He is referenced as the last of Wily's numbers in X2. He has a dream about Wily X4, and in X5, the battle with him, awakened or not, has the Wily symbol in the background.
23:59 <Ali> Well consider X4 was supposed to be the end
23:59 <Alice> And it is regularly implied that Wily is, while not alive, directly influencing things through the maverick virus.
23:59 <Alice> X5.
23:59 <Alice> X5 was supposed to be the end.
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