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00:30 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff - BEST Art of Gabby [ http://tinyurl.com/y3znvpvd ]
00:31 * Lumindia gives Rainbows and Ali a plate of spaghetti each
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01:11 * Lumindia yawns
01:11 * Lumindia hugs Ali and Rainbows, crawls into bed
01:11 * Ali nuu's, now she's alone
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01:17 * Lumindia tugs Ali into bed, needs a warm pone to cuddle
01:17 <Lumindia> Ali makes for good snuggles, for she is soft and loveable
01:17 <Lumindia> ' w'
01:17 <Lumindia> but most definitely not cute in any way
01:17 <Ali> darn straight
01:17 * Ali has the drowsies, is gonna nap for an hour or so.
01:17 *** Ali is now known as Ali|Nap
01:20 * Lumindia snuggles muchly
01:30 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Griffon Day - Open Art Compilation! [ http://tinyurl.com/y3plltqj ]
02:02 <PinkieShy> Planning on buying some heavyduty work gloves tomorrow..
02:02 <PinkieShy> Going to clean out the floor vents so i don't touch all that trash with my bare hands and risk getting cut on rust.
02:30 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #2251 [ http://tinyurl.com/y4xnvz3y ]
02:31 <Schism> Pfff. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/578461825255866368/744018346776985720/images.jpeg-3.jpg
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02:48 <Schism> Yes, Lumindia, remember, Ali is not cute, no matter how fluffy and soft she is, nor how sweet her gentle snores.
02:52 <Schism> Note to Americans: while I fully appreciate the desire to come up here for shopping and whatnot, and I'd be half tempted to nip across to pick up some stuff at the duty-free, NO. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/hundreds-of-americans-are-still-trying-to-enter-canada-for-shopping-recreation-cbsa-1.5064715
02:54 <PinkieShy> I remember a while back when my doggo got her nail caught on the vent.. I had to clean the vent out majorly..
02:54 <PinkieShy> She must been shedding so badly lately and it was to the point the vent was clogged with shedded fur.
02:55 <PinkieShy> When cleaning that out.. I came so close to cutting my arm on a rusty ventalation.
03:07 <Stormspark> IMO Canada should not allow anyone from the US in unless they are seeking asylum
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03:19 * Ali|Nap wakes back up and flops over Schism.
03:19 *** Ali|Nap is now known as Ali
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03:21 <Schism> Stormspark, essential travel such as for family reasons or economics are understandable...
03:28 * Ali spiderwalker's over to Schism.
03:30 * Schism suddenly sends a bunch of bugs against Ali's spiderwalker.
03:30 * Ali quad launcher's them all dead
03:31 * Ali also walks over cliffs to screw with Schism's pathfinding
03:37 <Ali> It looks like a really fun vehicle Schism but it is VERY late game.
03:38 * Schism nodnods, "With good raisin!"
03:39 <Ali> I think it can also be automated
03:39 <Ali> But has an odd requirement of needing a fish
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04:03 <Ali> Its awfully quiet in here tonight
04:29 <Golden> Been a bit busy on my end
04:35 * Alice awakens.
04:36 * Schism snugs the Ali, and the Alice.
04:36 * Ali squeaks softly.
04:38 * Schism also offers Alice some spicy pickled green beans.
04:38 * Alice noms.
04:38 <Schism> Alice: https://twitter.com/11hr11min/status/1289982061248380928
04:40 <Alice> Heh.
04:44 * Ali spiderwalkers over to Alice. "I have returned."
04:48 * PrincessRainbows lays on her back and looks up at Ali while wagging her tail
04:48 * Ali gives PrincessRainbows bellyrubs
04:49 * PrincessRainbows yays and makes silly horse noises
04:50 <Alice> Yeah, that thing is OP as hell.
04:51 <Alice> But cool.
04:51 * Schism pretends Alice is looking at her twitter link.
04:51 <Alice> I saw it.
04:51 <Alice> Agh my arm why spitfire why!?
04:51 <Schism> Because he wuvs. Wif claws.
04:54 <Alice> Hum, someone just got pulled over.
04:55 <Alice> That police siren was pretty close by. Only lasted for a few seconds though.
04:55 <Schism> Usually that momentary squawk is enough to draw attention.
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04:57 <Alice> Guh, that arm is never gonna look normal ever again.
04:57 <Alice> And I'm morbidly curious just to see how bad the scarring really is, both current scarring, past scarring, and so on.
04:58 <Alice> By shaving said arm.
05:00 <Alice> Probably pockmarked with white spots indicating permanent scars.
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05:05 * Alice looks at Spitfire who is damaging her arm.
05:05 * Alice looks at Spitfire who is being inconvenient.
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05:06 * Alice picks up Spitfire and cradles him like a baby, which he hates.
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05:06 * Ali steals Spitfire and cuddles them cause her cats are assholes
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05:24 <PinkieShy> What do you call a lion wearing a suit? a Dandy Lion!
05:24 <Schism> And a large cat who helps you briefly is an Al-Lion of Convenience.
05:25 <Schism> PinkieShy: https://i.imgur.com/ewAth46.mp4
05:25 * Ali facehooves
05:26 <PinkieShy> Schism how about this one? https://images2.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED30/5170b2ed91b99.jpeg
05:27 * PinkieShy hugs Ali
05:27 * Ali leans into the PinkieShy hard
05:27 <Alice> Not a single baby in Canada has been named "Karen" since November 13th of last year
05:28 <Alice> Oh gods, I shouldn't have opened that video again, Schism.
05:28 <Schism> Heart attacks?
05:28 <Schism> PinkieShy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBjKntYuUIk
05:28 <Alice> No.
05:29 <Alice> Well, yes, actually. Spitfire.
05:29 <Schism> Oh, what's he doing now.
05:29 <Alice> I had the volume up and he's like "What the hell is that!?"
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05:29 <Schism> The cat equivalent of the uncanny valley.
05:29 <Alice> He knows it was a cat.
05:29 <Alice> Just not what kind.
05:29 <Alice> He's... upset with me now.
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05:30 * Schism giggles. "Alice, how could you tell?"
05:31 <Alice> He's doing the arm thing again.
05:31 <Schism> Oh, right. ... he does that whether or not, though.
05:31 <Alice> He started doing it in response to the big kitten meowing.
05:31 <Alice> No, he explicitly started doing this in response to the cat. He came over from where he was laying down to start doing this.
05:32 <Alice> He is not happy.
05:32 <Alice> ,,,
05:32 <Alice> Something is burning.
05:33 <Schism> Oh dear. ...
05:34 <Schism> Maybe that's less in response to the cat, and more a 'go and FIX THAT STENCH' sort of thing.
05:34 <Alice> It's coming from outside.
05:35 <Alice> Though I guess it could also be something in my nose.
05:35 <Alice> Given recent events with my nose and all.
05:37 * Ali rolls around, boring night is boring.
05:41 * Alice looks at arm. "The punishment for my sins, I suppose."
05:42 <Schism> That is typical, yes...
05:42 * Schism hugs the Alice. And provides her with some meat pies with zucchini relish.
05:46 <Alice> Meh. At least I know I'm resistant to cat scratch fever or whatever viruses or bacteria cat have in their claws and fangs.
05:46 <Schism> Or, of course, you've already been infected with toxoplasmosis, as I have, and it's too late for the both of us.
05:47 <Schism> as have I*
05:47 <Schism> We must spend our lives snuggling cats from here on.
05:48 <Alice> https://i.imgur.com/nLszRgd.gifv
05:49 <Alice> Oh, I most definitely have toxoplasma gondii in my body, yeah. My entire brain is probably made up of it at this point.
05:50 <Schism> Have something else adorable, too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7h4TESJs7M
05:52 <Alice> "He keeps making noise. Let's keep pestering him!"
05:53 <Ali> Meow Meow Meow
05:53 * Alice gets assaulted by Spitfire due to Ali's incessant meowing.
05:54 * Ali steals Spitfire for heavy snugglings
05:54 <Alice> I see my parents did enough grocery shopping to only buy a watermelon
05:55 <Alice> Which I can't eat.
05:55 <Schism> Just... a watermelon?
05:55 * Schism headtilts.
05:55 <Alice> Yes.
05:55 <Alice> I guess they decided not to do any grocery shopping, and just picked up a couple things they wanted.
05:55 <Schism> Well, I mean, that's fair... I've done the same myself. But sheesh.
05:58 <PinkieShy> First time running Minecraft in months..
05:58 <PinkieShy> and the version is up like alot :P
05:58 * Alice shrugs.
05:58 <Ali> Spiderwalkers
05:58 <Ali> Well those are Factorio
05:58 <Ali> But my lord I wish I had some bugs to shoot
05:58 <Alice> Wonder how long the Spidertron will remain the Spidertron.
05:58 <Alice> Yeah, you should see that thing on bugs, Ali.
05:58 <Alice> It's crazy.
05:58 <Ali> Quad Missle Launchers
05:59 <Ali> Can walk over EVERYTHING and not give a crap
05:59 <Alice> It fires the rockets rapid-fire, and they are target seeking.
05:59 <Ali> And it can be controlled remotely right?
05:59 <Alice> It can stand up to large, evo 1.0 factor bases no problem.
05:59 <Alice> And yeah, remote control.
05:59 <Alice> You craft the controller, pick it up in your mouse cursor, then click on the bot.
05:59 <Ali> Thus why its 2500 all non space bottles
05:59 <Alice> Then from that point on, click anywhere on the field.
06:00 <Ali> Just have to make sure its loaded out with rockets
06:00 <Alice> You can load it up with any type of rocket.
06:00 <Alice> And even equip PLDs on it.
06:00 <Ali> Even nukes?
06:00 <Alice> Yes. Even nukes.
06:00 <Ali> Oh dear lord
06:00 <Alice> I tried it out with nukes.
06:00 <Alice> My advice?
06:00 <Alice> Don't.
06:00 <Ali> Cause it'll nuke itself more than not huh?
06:00 <Alice> Oh gods yes.
06:00 <Alice> It fired off four nukes at close-range.
06:00 <Ali> PFFFT
06:01 <Ali> That'll show them bugs
06:01 * PrincessRainbows hugs PinkieShy just because
06:01 <Ali> As expensive as it is to build that thing, not the best use of the robot
06:01 * PinkieShy hugs PrincessRainbows and licks her
06:01 <Alice> I was fortunately using sandbox mode, so..
06:01 <Alice> I just spawned another one.
06:01 <Ali> Yeah I built my own
06:02 <Alice> But yeah, it also has an equipment grid. So you can use PLDs on it.
06:02 <Ali> Just when there's nothing to shoot, its just an expensive scout walker
06:02 <Alice> It can be used for crafting.
06:02 * PrincessRainbows licks back and claps her hooves at PinkieShy cause silly horse
06:02 <Ali> It can even craft? Geebus
06:02 <Alice> Well, in a sense.
06:03 <Alice> Throw a couple of fusion cores on it, then some personal roboports, then add a bunch of bots to it's storage, and items to craft with.
06:04 <Ali> Huh, I didn't really go far into it, but I do like the walker
06:04 <Ali> That and since it can dance over cliffs as well, will ruin bug pathing
06:04 <Alice> More or less.
06:04 <Alice> That said, it also lacks it's own pathfinding of any sort, so it can't walk around lakes.
06:04 <Alice> At least, it won't path around them.
06:06 <Ali> Still nice to see another vehicle that is a step up above the tank
06:10 <Schism> Oh no, now I see a keyboard I need to have. https://twitter.com/okbillybunny/status/1294394554007695360/photo/1
06:11 <Schism> Shiny carabiners are one thing, but that keyboard.
06:11 * Ali kinda wants to play Factorio but doesn't want to force it either, gets her in trouble.
06:12 <Alice> Heh.
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06:13 * Ali spidertrons over to ConfusionRift
06:14 <ConfusionRift> Hello every... (stares at the large spider-like bot) ...pony?
06:15 * ConfusionRift boops Ali's spidertron anyways. :P
06:15 <Alice> *Screaming, cursing and swearing can be heard as Alice heads up a neary stairwell.*
06:15 * PrincessRainbows climbs up onto ConfusionRift and giggles, Yay! pony ride!
06:15 * Ali flails at it starts shooting quad missles everywhere
06:15 * ConfusionRift runs around with PrincessRainbows, just circling around Ali.
06:16 <Ali> We've got a new toy in Factorio ConfusionRift
06:16 <PrincessRainbows> such a good horsey
06:16 <Alice> This little device I bought is annoying. Not worth the trouble and pain I suffered just to plug it in.
06:16 * ConfusionRift nods.
06:16 <ConfusionRift> Am aware of the spider bot of ultimate doom. :P
06:17 * PrincessRainbows offers ConfusionRift some hay for being a good pony
06:18 <Alice> Oh, NOW it picks it up.
06:18 <ConfusionRift> Schism: If you had a white keyboard, you could Rit dye the keys.
06:18 <Ali> How do you already know about the bot? You get spoiled by some early 1.0 build?
06:19 <Alice> No.
06:19 <Alice> He was awake when it was released.
06:20 <ConfusionRift> Apparently, they made the announcement really late at night. One of the changes was the Spidertron. It's basically like to one major change.
06:20 <Alice> It was released shortly before you logged off this morning.
06:20 <Alice> Huzzah, got it working.
06:20 <Schism> ConfusionRift: That would be fun. Or take some PAAS dye coloring.
06:20 * Alice has a bluetooth mouse for use with laptop.
06:20 <Ali> Of course it would've...
06:20 * ConfusionRift huggles Ali anywaaaays. :P
06:20 * Ali leans into ConfusionRift and nuzzles
06:21 <Alice> Now I just need a proper tray to rest my laptop upon. And to figure out what's up with that video corruption that happens sporadically. Pretty sure it's the driver, and not the laptop.
06:21 <ConfusionRift> Video corruption
06:21 <ConfusionRift> ?
06:21 <Alice> Basically, every now and then, randomly, I either just get a full screen corruption, or small bars of random black and colored pixels.
06:22 <Alice> Thing is, I know it's not the display or the card itself, because these things stick around until something intentionally clears the screen.
06:22 <Alice> Which means it's something in the driver itself.
06:22 <ConfusionRift> Getting artifacts randomly. Hmmm. Could be either of those, but the easiest fix would be the drivers.
06:22 <Ali> I had to troubleshoot my mother's laptop
06:22 <Alice> Unfortunately, the usual debug methods aren't reporting any problems.
06:23 <Ali> If it wasn't for looking at a picture and finding out what was wrong with it, I was going to be asking on here about the problem
06:23 <Alice> That said, the difference between this laptop and my old one, despite both using Intel IGP, is that the driver is slightly different.
06:23 <Ali> For some reason, the PC stopped reconizing the touchpad in the mouse settings
06:23 <Alice> See, about a year or two ago, Intel started a new driver for their IGPs, alongside maintaining the older one.
06:23 <Alice> The newer driver only works on newer hardware, though.
06:23 <Ali> Like the entire window option was gone
06:23 <ConfusionRift> Ooh.
06:23 <Alice> If I could swap to the old driver...
06:24 <Ali> Update driver didn't work, so finally found out that you had to roll the driver back, then BAM, it was back
06:24 <Ali> I have no idea how it deleted that page though..
06:24 <Ali> I will tell you one thing
06:24 <Ali> I /hate/ touchpads
06:25 <Ali> Taps is the worst thing ever
06:25 <Alice> The page goes missing if there's no mouse or mouse-like devices registered with the system.
06:25 <ConfusionRift> Software shenanigans, man.
06:25 <Alice> So if the driver suddenly stopped supporting that device, and didn't report it to the OS..
06:25 <Schism> Okay, this is bad. Dysphoria clamping down upon my hindbrain.
06:25 <Ali> Also this tech guy told me to go into BIOS and update the drivers
06:25 * Alice pat pats Schism. "Been having that issue, myself. See things, and go "Hmmm..." then my brain just spazzes."
06:25 <Ali> But I couldn't find anything they said on the bios pages.
06:25 <Alice> ...
06:25 <Alice> Into the BIOS to update drivers.
06:25 <Alice> Wow.
06:25 <Ali> So I was like NOPE not doing this
06:26 <Alice> Anyhow, yeah.
06:26 <Ali> Yeah told me to F10 to BIOS and Update drivers thru BIOS
06:26 <Alice> Touchpads are troublesome little *******s.
06:26 <Ali> I went there, no option exists
06:26 <Alice> They're basically mouse devices, but practically every manufacturer implements them differently.
06:26 <Ali> This is where I start thinking either this guy has no damn clue themself or its a scam
06:26 <Alice> There's no standardization of them.
06:26 <Ali> What's funny to me
06:27 <Alice> As a result, you need special drivers for many of them.
06:27 <Alice> Or, a variant of the synaptics touchpad driver with quirks and other stuff.
06:27 <Ali> Is this guy didn't realize, that when I was told to F10 to BIOS, it was going to close down their chat window
06:27 <Alice> Unlike regular mice, which "just work" so to speak, regardless of functionality.
06:27 * Schism smiles, then laughs. "Okay, that helped..."
06:27 <Ali> Never went back to the chat to muck with it, eventually found out the problem and fixed it myself.
06:27 <Alice> That... I wouldn't be surprised if that was their goal, Ali.
06:28 <Alice> IT has a reputation of being very... varied, in their willingness to do their job.
06:28 <Schism> Just remembered that I have a focus I can use.
06:28 <Ali> I mean I went to the internet, followed the steps until I hit a roadblock
06:29 <Ali> Then I randomly decided to click on the pictures to see what I might be missing
06:29 <Ali> And sure enough, where the touchpad's settings should be, that tab was missing
06:29 <ConfusionRift> Yeah, I should also point out that accessing the BIOS defers from rig to rig.
06:29 <Ali> So a quick change to search quearies, I eventually rolled the driver back
06:29 <Ali> And after that, it came back
06:29 <Alice> Yeah, it differs from laptop to laptop, and has differing functionality.
06:29 <Alice> Installing drivers is not one of them.
06:30 <Ali> Either way, got the problem solved
06:30 <Alice> So, Ali, what you're saying is you're a professional technician.
06:30 <Ali> No not really
06:30 <ConfusionRift> By today's standards, you are. :P
06:30 <Alice> Well, I'm going to let you in on a little secret.
06:30 <Ali> I did try to do the A+ cert though X.x
06:30 <Alice> The only thing that differs from your average computer user, and a professional in any field of computers, is that the professionals know how to use search engines.
06:31 <Schism> Ali, you're more suited for tech jobs than 95% of people out there. :P
06:31 <Ali> Well a funny story about that
06:31 <Schism> Poooosssibly 98%.
06:31 <Ali> I was able to on my own with no training, able to figure out signs of hard drive failure
06:31 <Alice> Hum. Not sure if it's bluetooth or if it's this mouse, but the report rate on it's pretty low. Looks to be about 30Hz.
06:31 <Alice> Still, it's usable, so meh.
06:32 <Ali> I can't remember what got me the error to point it out, but I still find it funny
06:32 <Ali> WHen my mom had to take the PC to the shop for the drive
06:32 <Ali> And they were like yup its a hard drive failure
06:32 <Alice> Ali, I honestly think you should take some time, evaluate your life, then maybe look into getting an education in some field of computers. You have the aptitude for it, and it would actually suit you in your current position.
06:32 <Ali> And its like NO SHIT SHERLOCK I knew that before I came in here
06:33 <Alice> And I'm not talking going to a college or university. There are online programs you can take instead, and still get certified for many things.
06:33 <Ali> Well you know I've already tried the A+, though that was back when 8 was just coming into use
06:33 <Alice> The great thing about work in the field of computers is that you can still get jobs working with them, and working from home.
06:33 * Schism gasps in shock, "Ali!"
06:33 <Ali> I got screwed by printers though on my test...
06:33 <Schism> Augh...
06:33 <Schism> Printers screw everyone over.
06:33 <Alice> Then try again.
06:34 <Alice> And yeah, I have to admit printers are troublesome.
06:34 <Ali> I did, several times
06:34 <PinkieShy> night everyone.. Going to try to sleep earlier tonight
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06:34 <ConfusionRift> Printers... hmmm.
06:34 <Ali> But the more you fail, the more time that is put on you before the next test is allowed
06:34 <Alice> When can you do the next test?
06:34 <Ali> Can't
06:34 <Alice> Why not?
06:34 <Ali> Money is one issue, and two, there was a cutoff that I missed
06:35 <Ali> See when I was doing it, it was called the 701 and 702 exams
06:35 <Ali> but the 801 and 802 were right around the corner
06:35 <Alice> Ah, right.
06:35 <Alice> New exams.
06:35 <Alice> How much does it cost for the book and the exam?
06:36 <Ali> So when I failed the 702 for the second time, the wait window fell into the time limit, so I lost the cert
06:36 <Ali> I think it was over $100 for each retest
06:36 <Ali> And most of the 701 and 702 material is useless now, since the range of windows systems was XP/Vista/7
06:36 <Alice> $170 per exam.
06:37 <Ali> And the architecture of Windows is vastly different from Pre Vista to 7
06:37 <Ali> At least as far as the UI
06:37 <ConfusionRift> Oh nooo. (looks at exerts of said exam, specifically the printer section)
06:37 * Alice looks at the cert stuff.
06:38 <Ali> And 8's worthless due to it being quickly obsoleted by 10
06:38 <ConfusionRift> There were other reasons... but that's one. :P
06:38 <Ali> Yeah the test was like 100 questions out of a pool of over 1000s
06:38 <Ali> I easily got the 701, passed first try
06:39 <Ali> But the 702 for some reason, just tripped me up so badly
06:39 <ConfusionRift> What's kinda scary is they most likely added more printers to go over.
06:39 <Ali> ConfusionRift, the test is random
06:39 <ConfusionRift> Unless it was always there. I don't know. Never took it.
06:39 <Ali> So if you get the bad roll of having a high number of printer based questions...
06:40 <Alice> Modern version of what you want is, what? 220-1001 and 220-1002?
06:40 <Ali> I don't know Alice, I have no idea what the current model numbers are for the test
06:40 <ConfusionRift> What? Like learning how 3D printers and cloud-based printers work?
06:40 <Alice> Looks like basic A+ is 220-1001 and 220-1002.
06:40 <Alice> Sweet merciful geezus cripes.
06:40 <Ali> ConfusionRift, printers went to dealing with dot matrix and other things
06:41 <Ali> Like really ancient crap
06:41 <Alice> There's an e-book for $89.
06:41 <ConfusionRift> It's still there.
06:41 <Ali> Yeah its not cheap
06:41 <Alice> But everything beyond that, which includes the voucher and retake voucher is 300+
06:41 <Ali> I took a class for A+ as well
06:41 <Ali> And its just...expensive
06:41 <Alice> The problem with printers, is that...
06:41 <Ali> Even when I had it paid for by the state
06:41 <Ali> But they wouldn't pay for retakes
06:41 <Alice> There's so many variants of them, and on top of that, none of them are compatible with any others.
06:41 <Alice> Especially software-wise.
06:42 <Alice> Oh my gods the section on printers alone for Linux..
06:42 <ConfusionRift> The worst part? I always thought Laser Printers and Toner Printers were different. Nope. They're the same printer.
06:42 <Alice> And then there's my dad's job.
06:42 <Alice> My dad's job is half computer tech, half printer.
06:42 <Alice> And the printers are the worst of the two by far.
06:42 <Ali> I feel like cause of my dissuation from cell phones and the like, I'm not sure how things would go.
06:42 <Alice> Diagnostics of a computer is easy to do.
06:42 <Ali> Did you plug it in?
06:42 <Ali> :3
06:43 <Alice> Well, I mean beyond that simple question. :P
06:43 <Alice> Like, even software and hardware problems in a computer is easy to diagnose.
06:43 <Alice> A printer? Excuse my language, but fnarking hell.
06:43 <ConfusionRift> The simplest questions are often the answer.
06:43 <Alice> I've looked at some of the docs my dad has access to.
06:43 <Ali> I know, but people get so pissy when you ask them the simple questions
06:43 <Alice> For obvious reasons.
06:43 <Ali> And then the feel stupid when the other end of the power cord fell off the back of the PC
06:43 <Alice> But the problem is, we ask that question because it can resolve so damned much.
06:44 <Ali> I know
06:44 <Alice> And with computers consistently going into sleep/standby when you close their lids, and so on..
06:44 <Alice> It's hard to get a person to believe that their computer hasn't been turned off and on recently.
06:44 <Alice> Because to them, that sleep state looks exactly like that.
06:44 <ConfusionRift> Funny enough, I fall on that trap half the time. Thought I had everything plugged in, just to find it never was.
06:44 <Ali> Its the biggest trap there is
06:44 * Schism manages not to throw up. 'guh.'
06:45 <Ali> Just the power cord gets loose somehow
06:45 <Ali> And people just refuse to check that first
06:45 <Ali> And with laptops, this is doubled since it can disconnect at another place
06:45 <Alice> Thing about PCs, you actually also have two power switches.
06:45 <Ali> So there's two disconnect locations
06:45 <Alice> The usual power switch everyone uses. And the power switch on the PSU.
06:46 <ConfusionRift> Happened to my mom's computer long ago. We spent hours troubleshooting this odd lag and freezing, just to find the hard drive cable was barely in.
06:46 <Ali> Ah the PSU switch
06:46 <Alice> Ah yes, electrical interference from poor connections.
06:46 <Ali> I still don't understand that
06:46 <Ali> Why is the laptop cord two parts instead of one?
06:46 <ConfusionRift> Also, the PSU thing has happened to me many times during troubleshooting.
06:47 <Ali> Other than easier to store
06:47 * Ali also comforts Schism
06:47 <Alice> Ali: If I had to guess, a leftover from a period when the cords terminated into a block with a standardized PC power cord connector.
06:47 <Alice> Which allowed for varying the length of the cable.
06:48 <Alice> Nowadays I just resolve that issue through extension cords.
06:48 * Schism hugs the Ali. "Just ... going to go to sleep soon. Bleh." She snuzzles.
06:48 <ConfusionRift> One is the PSU, the other is the power cable. The only thing I can think of is that in the case of a "catastrophic failure" one can jank the power cord from the PSU, or the PSU completely.
06:48 <Ali> So is that little block thing the PSU or what? Sorry for dumb question, just never understood what that brick was for.
06:49 <Alice> Only problem is, many laptop manufacturers have now defaulted to using non-standard connectors.
06:49 <Alice> And yes, that little block is basically the equivalent of a PSO.
06:49 <Schism> Ali: That's actually a conversion from AC to DC.
06:49 <Schism> Though it does serve the function of a PSU, yes.
06:49 <Alice> The large box in a PC is nothing more than a combination of a transformer and a bunch of electronic circuitry to adjust the voltage for output to different parts of the PC.
06:50 <ConfusionRift> The other being that, since the cable is so long, it's better for someone to trip and disconnect the thing halfway than dragging the laptop off wherever it is. Alas, more often than not, both cables put off enough resistance to drag the whole thing to the floor, no matter the force.
06:50 <Alice> At least, back in the early days of laptops, that transformer couldn't fit inside a laptop body. As electronics improved, they eventually moved inside. But then we had another laptop shrink.
06:50 <Alice> Ultrabooks and all that.
06:51 <Alice> And as a result, the transformer was again moved back outside.
06:51 <Alice> Of course, compared to back then, that seperable cord now utilizes a proprietary connector.
06:51 <Alice> Also, disconnecting it isn't exactly viable anymore, ConfusionRift.
06:52 <Alice> The cords are are usually attached to the bricks now with hard-to-separate connectors.
06:52 <Ali> I'm not fond of newer laptops
06:52 <Alice> So that argument kinda fails now. Instead, the separation point of failure is at the laptop itself, which can cause damage to the connector itself.
06:52 <Ali> Don't know why, I just prefer a PC tower
06:52 <Alice> A lot of people do.
06:52 <ConfusionRift> Same here.
06:52 <Alice> And, arguably, PCs are always going to be more powerful.
06:52 <Ali> I used to like 2000 laptops
06:52 <Alice> Since the core issue with laptops is power and cooling.
06:53 <Alice> You may have noticed that those little bricks we connect our laptop to are smaller than the PSUs of a PC.
06:53 <Ali> But with the touchpad becoming more useless functions, it become more of a problem than it was useful.
06:53 <Ali> Like taps, god I hate taps
06:53 <Alice> That's because a laptop doesn't need as much electricity as a computer. But *THAT* is because a laptop's components are lower-powered, in terms of processing, power draw, and the like.
06:54 <Alice> The tap functionality can usually be disabled by proprietary software, these days. Or in the case of Linux, configuration files for the generic catch-all input system.
06:54 <Alice> I'm actually kind of surprised Microsoft didn't do that with Windows yet.
06:54 <Ali> then they added all these finger related things to the touchpad, and just accidently touching the thing causes the PC to go all crazy
06:54 <Ali> Yeah I usually disable taps as fast as possible on all laptops
06:54 <Alice> The only function I keep active on the touchpad myself is two-finger scrolling. It's a better alternative to page-up and page-down on a keyboard.
06:54 <Ali> Makes sense
06:55 <Alice> I actually had to disable a new functionality in libinput(The input handling subsystem for all input devices in the graphical user interface systems of Linux these days) because it was peeving me off. ALso made Factorio impossible to play without an external mouse.
06:55 <ConfusionRift> There are gaming and productivity laptops, but my goodness, what's the point? They're very expensive, still power hungry, always running hot, and just as fragile as the others. The only advantage I see is mobility.
06:55 <Alice> Apparently, someone got it in their head to have, as a default-on feature, "disable touchpad when typing".
06:56 <Alice> ConfusionRift: The running hot thing isn't exclusive to gaming laptops as I learned.
06:56 <Alice> You should see this laptop of mine.
06:56 <Alice> When I put it under load doing something, it's CPU temperature shoots up to 100C.
06:56 <Alice> Celsius, not fahrenheit.
06:56 <Alice> Intel designed it to work that way.
06:57 <Alice> Basically, the CPU is designed to run up to it's maximum thermal limit, and then start throttling power draw to maintain performance.
06:57 <ConfusionRift> You should see my uncles old laptop. Burned motherboard, simply because his coworker put it on a patted chair, and it burned to death in like 5 minutes.
06:57 <Alice> Oh gods. Yeah, don't do that.
06:57 <Alice> Also, the 100C thing is why I have my laptop on my PC's keyboard tray right now. Keeps the heat from burning my legs.
06:57 <Alice> In fact, I should look into a proper tray for my laptop.
06:57 <ConfusionRift> It was doing nothing, just powered on.
06:58 <Alice> Also, that thermal throttling thing is why I argue not to put too much faith in Intel CPU benchmarks, these days.
06:58 * Ali flops over
06:58 <Alice> Apparently, according to internal documents, Intel knows how long many benchmarks are typically run for.
06:59 <Alice> So they have designed the CPUs to... run at maximum capacity for just long enough to get good results.
06:59 * ConfusionRift nods.
06:59 <Alice> If you want to benchmark their CPUs, you're gonna need to run tests for several minutes, to get a real idea as to the performance under load.
07:00 <Alice> Case in point, my laptop runs at something like 3.4 to 3.9GHz for about 30-40 seconds, then downclocks to 2.8GHz.
07:00 <Ali> I'm still surprised this PC's still running, what with a ten year old motherboard
07:00 <Alice> If you aren't overclocking, and keeping the system relatively clean from dust and such, you can make them last for a long time.
07:00 <Alice> It also depends on use cases. If you aren't constantly loading it with work, it should last longer.
07:00 <Ali> Yeah it doesn't run at 100% all the time
07:00 <Alice> Doubt it does even in gaming.
07:01 <Ali> But I just thought that the power of a ten year old processor would still be holding up
07:01 <Alice> Gaming still has a hard time with multithreading.
07:01 <ConfusionRift> Well, depends on the purpose, the rig manufacturer, and parts. I have seen laptops running really hot, and have seen some that are severely underclocked.
07:01 <Alice> As a result, games tend to be limited more by GPU than CPU.
07:01 <Alice> What's your CPU again, Ali?
07:01 <Ali> AMD PHENOM II
07:02 <Alice> Speed?
07:02 <Alice> Or rather, model number.
07:02 <Alice> x4 955, etc.
07:02 <Ali> X4 965
07:02 <Ali> 3400MHz 4 core
07:03 <Alice> See.
07:03 <Alice> Here's the details from passmark.
07:03 <Alice> The single-core performance of the AMD PHENOM II x4 965 1,362. Not the best by today's standards. But here's the thing.
07:04 <Alice> Today's standards?
07:04 <Alice> My AMD Ryzen 2700X has a single-core benchmark performance of 2,437. My laptop's CPU, the Intel Core i7 10710U, has a single-core benchmark performance of 2465.
07:04 <Ali> I mean I'm not paying 500-1000 bucks for a modern system GPU
07:04 <Ali> THey can go suck an egg for wanting that much
07:04 <Alice> Now, given many games are still single-core, or rely heavily on single-core for doing a majority of the game logic?
07:05 <Alice> Basically, my PC's CPU is a little under 2x as powerful as yours is.
07:05 <Alice> Now, if we're talking multi-core performance, then yeah.
07:05 <Alice> Your CPU is garbage.
07:05 <Ali> But what even uses multicore?
07:06 <Alice> 6100 versus 30,753 and 20,410 for the Ryzen and Intel respectively.
07:06 <Alice> Lots of stuff, but not gaming
07:06 <Alice> Gaming DOES make use of multicore, but it's limited.
07:06 * Schism randomly listens to "Din Don Dan Dan Non-Monstr" to clear her head.
07:07 * Ali has Schism listen to to a pokemon theme song on repeat >.>
07:07 <Ali> And no, its not gen 1
07:07 <Alice> It tends to be limited to either GPU submission stuff(Like what Factorio does), or resource streaming.
07:07 <Schism> Ali, no, I will not... oh, okay. So long's it's not Lavender Town.
07:07 <Ali> Its a theme song Schism
07:07 <Schism> Song I'm listening to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9P6WkgHYZU
07:07 <Ali> So it can't be Lavender Town
07:08 <Ali> Yeah I know Factorio bottlenecked hard on my PC before
07:08 <Ali> But I'm not sure if I've had any problems like that since? Not sure, haven't MP'd that game much since.
07:08 <Alice> Yeah, and that was mostly because the CPU was being limited by powersaving.
07:09 <Alice> Which is different from the multithreaded programming stuff that relates to using multiple cores.
07:09 <Alice> The problem with multithreaded programming isn't just that it's hard to do. It's hard to do, but it's not impossible, so..
07:10 <Alice> No, the problem is that it introduces considerable complexity to programming and debugging.
07:10 * Ali pew pews ConfusionRift with yellow ammo
07:10 <Alice> In development of games, you will hear two words frequently.
07:10 <Alice> Determinism, and lock-step.
07:11 <Alice> Basically, determinism is the attribute that the software does the same thing every time, given a set of conditions.
07:11 <Alice> That is, if I ran a game, with explicit, set conditions, and then handed those conditions over to you, and you ran the game?
07:11 <Alice> The result should be the same.
07:11 * Ali runs over Schism with the hoverboots on mweeping
07:12 <Alice> The most obvious example of determinism is map generation.
07:12 <Ali> The one thing that gets me about Factorio's map generation
07:12 <Alice> If I gave you all the same settings for a map, including the seed used, you should be able to generate the same map as me.
07:12 <Schism> This is why seeds exist. o3o
07:12 <Ali> Is how it loves to shove resources right up against the coastline
07:12 <Alice> Yeah, it's resource generator is not the brightest.
07:12 <Ali> Schism, also having mweep on low health
07:12 <Alice> That's why RSO exists.
07:12 <Schism> There are three words, though, Alice, which any programmer learns to fear.
07:13 <Alice> "cannot reproduce" are two.
07:13 <Schism> "Possible race condition."
07:13 <Ali> I tought it was 'Nocture on Ocarina'
07:13 <Ali> Have fun with AD
07:14 <Ali> Though I have seen people burned by Saria's on OT and a progression item was on Darunia
07:14 <Schism> ( http://thecodelesscode.com/case/225 )
07:14 <Ali> For some reason runners hate doing child Goron City
07:14 <Alice> https://pastebin.com/6HPN8n0m Go down to the raw section, copy the ENTIRE CHUNK, and load up Factorio. On the map generation screen, there's two buttons in the lower-right next to "Map Exchange String", press the left button, and then paste the contents of the text into it.
07:15 <Alice> Then do a map preview.
07:15 <Alice> https://i.imgur.com/a0RfN9v.png You should get this map.
07:15 <Alice> If you don't, then there's a problem.
07:16 <Ali> Why is there copper in the lake...
07:16 <Alice> That's an island with copper on it.
07:16 <Ali> And that iron placement
07:16 <Ali> surrounded by cliffs
07:16 <Ali> WHY RNG WHY
07:16 <Alice> No idea.
07:17 <Ali> It doesn't look like a bad map, issue only being no source of uranium nearby.
07:17 <Alice> My point though is through using that data, you should be able to reproduce the map. If you can't, then there's a problem and I need to submit a bug report to the devs.
07:17 <Ali> hang on
07:17 <Alice> Because it means that between our two computers, there is something that is different that is resulting in a change.
07:17 <Alice> A change which should not be there.
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07:18 <Alice> This is what determinism is. The fact that the two computers can generate an identical map, under a default configuration Factorio(That is, no mods).
07:18 <Alice> If there was no determinism, then it wouldn't be possible.
07:19 <Alice> Determinism is often broken by using asynchronous or parallel algorithms.
07:19 <Ali> Ok, its an exact copy
07:19 <Ali> 0/10 would not play this string
07:19 <Alice> Because deterministic behavior expects that the exact same sequence of operations occur from start to finish. If you introduce asynchronous or parallel code, then that's thrown out the door.
07:20 <Ali> Ok so anything else?
07:20 <Alice> Unless the code is not affected by random variance, or has some sort of synchronization involved.
07:20 <Alice> Nah, basically all it means is that games, right now, are limited by single-core performance.
07:21 <Alice> Multi-core performance is irrelevant in many games, mostly. The rest of the cores are often used just to stream resources in for use, or to perform tasks that can be made parallel without affecting the deterministic nature of the game.
07:22 <Alice> Interestingly, static map generation is one such algorithm that can be made parallel, if done carefully. Which is why people with say, 8 cores, will see better map gen performance in Factorio compared to say, people with 1, 2 or 4 cores, but identical CPU specs in every way.
07:22 <Alice> I imagine that fullscreen preview took a bit of time to generate?
07:23 * Schism giggles hereat. http://thecodelesscode.com/case/152?name=Hw%C3%ADdah
07:23 <Alice> Takes about 3 seconds to generate a preview at 1920x1080 on my 6-core system.
07:24 <Alice> My PC upstairs takes about the same amount of time for a 4k preview.
07:24 <Ali> It didn't take long to gen the preview
07:24 <Alice> Heh.
07:24 <Alice> Still, more cores is better.
07:24 <Ali> A few seconds, but nothing extreme
07:25 <Alice> Ah, that's right though, your CPU has a lot of cores. It's multicore and singlecore performance isn't the best, but..
07:25 <Ali> Only 4 cores, not a ton
07:25 <Alice> Still.
07:25 <Alice> Better than single or two core setups.
07:25 <Alice> Meanwhile, the other term I mentioned. Lock-step.
07:25 <Alice> Hoo boy. Lock-step.
07:29 <Alice> Lock-step is... actually kind of hard for me to express.
07:29 <Alice> Because it has several meanings.
07:31 <Alice> In the context of gaming, it technically means that the world steps from one well-defined state to another well-defined state in one step. That is, the state of the world is well-defined after a game world update, and deterministic in nature. That is, if you perform the exact same steps over and over, starting from the same initial state, you should end up with an exact, specific state, that is the same each time.
07:32 <Alice> This contrasts to the alternative, in which varying systems are being handled at different rates of processing, with everything stopping at some point to be rendered in it's current state.
07:33 <Alice> For the most part, it'll generally look the same if you use the same inputs at the same times, etc.
07:33 <Alice> But there will be minor deviations.
07:34 <Alice> The various systems aren't all running at the same rate. Due to minor differences in CPU cores, such as electrical characteristics, speed, and the like, and differences in how the OS assigns work, the different subsystems of the game will run at different speeds.
07:34 * Ali headtilts
07:34 <Alice> So during one run of the game, by the "final frame" it's meant to stop at for comparison, a player's position may be X=25, Y=25. While the next run, it may be X=24, y=25. Or X=25, y=24.
07:35 <Alice> As a result of this difference, different things can happen.
07:35 <Alice> It may be that in one run, because of the minor difference in position coordinate, an entity may not get hit by something. While in the next run, it may get hit by something.
07:35 <Alice> It's not deterministic. And why is this a bad thing for developers?
07:36 <Alice> Because it makes reproducing bugs a major headache.
07:36 <Alice> A bug might only appear under a small set of circumstances which cannot be reproduced because of differences in computer configurations.
07:36 <Alice> Meanwhile, with a deterministic system, the exact point of breakdown can be pinpointed.
07:37 <Alice> And reproduced on all computer configurations.
07:37 <Alice> If a computer cannot reproduce it, while all others can, it usually means there is a bug in the hardware of that computer.
07:37 <Alice> Or possibly the drivers for the hardware.
07:37 <Alice> Long story short?
07:38 <Alice> Games are not going to use multi-core programming for their core logic for a very long time.
07:38 <Alice> Because it makes developing them a nightmare.
07:38 * Ali nods
07:38 <Alice> That's why, to this day, practically more than a decade later since the introduction of multi-core processing, we still see games using only 1-4 cores at most.
07:39 <Alice> With a majority leaning towards 2.
07:39 <Alice> That said, with the introduction of graphics APIs like Vulkan, DirectX12 and Metal, things have improved a bit there.
07:40 <Alice> While you can't use all the cores for processing the game logic, you *CAN* now use all the cores to send a bunch of data to the GPU.
07:41 * Ali nods and flops over
07:41 <Alice> That's what the "max render threads" thing is in Factorio.
07:41 <Alice> Though they're using OpenGL, so the solution is not optimal.
07:41 <Alice> Well, under Linux anyways. Windows can use OpenGL or DX9.
07:42 * PrincessRainbows looks up at Ali and grabby hooves. Uppy?
07:42 <Alice> Hell if I know what they use on Mac OS X.
07:42 <Alice> What with Apple deprecating OpenGL.
07:42 * Ali picks up PrincessRainbows and snuggles her so much.
07:43 <Alice> Ah, right. I can configure the number of threads that the mapgen preview uses. Wonder how poorly it does with 1 thread.
07:43 * PrincessRainbows licks. Ali is also a good horse
07:44 <Alice> Takes approximately 30 seconds on this laptop.
07:45 <Ali> That's a bit of time
07:45 <Alice> 2 threads reduces it to 14 seconds.
07:45 <Alice> Jump to 4 threads..
07:46 <Alice> 8 seconds.
07:47 <Alice> 6 seconds at 8 threads. Finally, at 11 threads(Max the game will use on this laptop), 4 seconds.
07:47 <Alice> As you can see, there are some diminishing returns involved.
07:48 <Ali> Seems like it
07:49 <Alice> Hum. I'm surprised the game doesn't cache the spritesheets for faster loading.
07:50 <Ali> Like how old NES and sega games did?
07:50 <Ali> Wonder if they do sprite mirroring as well
07:51 * ConfusionRift boops PrincessRainbows. :P
07:51 <Alice> Nah, nothing like that.
07:52 <Alice> Basically, at load, the game goes through a process of loadimg the sprite images for all the entities, then combining them into what are called "texture atlasses".
07:52 <ConfusionRift> Ali: Some still used mirroring to this day. It's easier than recreating another sprite... just pure laziness.
07:52 <Alice> The texture atlas sizes are usually specific to each GPU, because they are picked based on the memory constraints of the GPU itself, among other details.
07:53 * Ali rolls around, would love to play but dun't want to force it.
07:53 <Alice> The the thing is, atlas texture packing is a non-trivial problem, involves memory copies, etc, etc, etc. It'd be better to generate the atlasses, them cache them to the disk, and then in future startups, use the cached images instead and skip the texture atlas generation phase altogether.
07:54 <ConfusionRift> They should make server hosting easier, and less costly. Would like to have something simple to run one. Alas, not in the cards at the moment.
07:54 <Alice> Hum. Looks like they do?
07:54 <Alice> There's an option in the config file.
07:55 <Alice> "config-sprite-atlas-count=1" it's commented out, so it's just showing the default value, but..
07:55 * PrincessRainbows begs at ConfusionRift for sugar cubes
07:56 <Alice> Also "cache-sprite-atlas=false", so it's disabled by default..?
07:56 * ConfusionRift gives PrincessRainbows two sugar cubes. :P
07:56 <PrincessRainbows> Nom nom
07:56 <Alice> ... Geezus hells.
07:57 <Alice> That reduced the sprite atlassing stuff to less than a second.
07:57 <Alice> "1.870 Verbose AtlasCache.cpp:125: Time to load atlas cache: 0.768748 seconds."
07:58 <Alice> Reduced Factorio load time from about 7-10 seconds to like, 3-4.
07:58 <Alice> Useful for code-only development of mods.
08:00 * PrincessRainbows wags her tail and boops Ali's horn cause sleepy filly
08:04 <Alice> The initial load will take longer, but after that, the sprites load much faster.
08:05 <Alice> Also, the caches are large.
08:08 <Alice> Approximately 3GiB.
08:10 <Alice> Meanwhile, using the best settings for speed(Reduced animation quality, increased compression, etc), reduces it to 280 MiB.
08:11 * PrincessRainbows just curls up with her pacifier and goes sleepy like a good little filly. Nini
08:13 <Alice> So, only two issues I need to figure out with this laptop of mine. 1) What's up with the video corruption? And 2) Why does everything OpenGL have a microstutter?
08:13 <Alice> Well, OpenGL and Vulkan.
08:15 * Ali chews on the power cables
08:17 * ConfusionRift patpats Ali.
08:18 * Ali leans into ConfusionRift pets
08:19 <Alice> The video corruption can't be a heat thing. Were that the case, then the corruption would not only persist, but it'd be variable over time.
08:19 <Alice> Plus, I've run this thing into the ground several times now. It's survived having the CPU being loaded to full capacity for minutes at a time with no issue other than massive heat generation.
08:21 <Alice> With respect to the stutter, the symptom is akin to a display being run at the wrong speed.
08:21 <Alice> Or rather, at the right speed, but with the software rendering at the wrong speed.
08:21 <Alice> It's similar to how my PC upstairs has problems when I run games at 60Hz, but the display is at 59Hz.
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08:47 <Schism> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwBOEMmcf2I
08:47 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
08:47 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Blackmore's Night - Spanish Nights
08:47 <Alice> Right, so one of the settings I poked at bootup fixed the stutter. Why?
08:49 <RazorSharpFang> Man, I owe the tax office $1500 AUD.
08:50 * Ali huggles RazorSharpFang and puts them into a spidertron.
08:51 <Alice> Okay, so it's the enable_psr option.
08:52 <Alice> The module option description just reads "Enable PSR". How helpful.
08:54 <Alice> Ah.
08:54 <RazorSharpFang> It probably presumes you know what PSR is.
08:54 <Alice> It's Panel Self Refresh.
08:55 <Alice> It's a feature part of of the Display Port 1.3 spec, meant to reduce power consumption when the display is showing a static image.
08:57 <Alice> Judging from the debug log, it's looking like there's a problem related to power saving stuff.
08:59 <Alice> Hum, well, first step of finding a bug is to make sure I'm using the latest bits of code.
09:00 * Alice looks at phone, sees something like 30+ notifications on Twitter. "Oh no."
09:00 <Ali> Was that a Knuckles OH NO?
09:00 <Alice> ... Oh. Someone retweeted a video and picture of my cat.
09:01 * Ali rolls around
09:02 * Schism reads a really, really good fanfic about Harry Potter having a twin brother, and getting sorted into Slytherin... and excelling. X3
09:07 * Ali flops over Schism and yawns
09:25 * Alice builds a new kernel using the latest drm code.
09:29 <Alice> I wish I had more courage to meet new people.
09:37 <Alice> I should have done this build on my PC.
10:02 <Ali> I'm very scared of meeting new people
10:02 <Ali> I just feel like everything will just go wrong
10:03 <Ali> Usually it does
10:03 <Ali> Or I do get into a group
10:03 <Ali> Only to get shoved back out months later...
10:03 * ConfusionRift huggles Ali.
10:05 * Ali curls into ConfusionRift and nuzzles softly.
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10:17 <Schism> Darnit... back to sleep for a *little* while...
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10:46 <ConfusionRift> You know something they did on GTA and wish they would do in other games? If it's on an open world with multiple points where a dialog can be interrupted, they should be able to shrug it off afterwards and continue their dialog where they left off.
11:12 <Alice> Heh.
11:12 <Alice> Yeah, that is kind of an issue.
11:12 <Alice> Nothing like an NPC getting interrupted by getting shot, cutting off the current line they were speaking, and/or action they were performing, and simply moving onto the next step.
11:14 <ConfusionRift> It was more of if they get interrupted, they continue their conversation there, not move to the next bit. The idea is to avoid them cutting off the dialog completely, or them starting the dialog again.
11:20 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #2024 [ http://tinyurl.com/y3ondk2r ]
11:21 <Alice> Mmhmm.
11:23 <Alice> Why the **** do laptop cooling stands need LEDs?
11:25 <ConfusionRift> If it's the case of an LED that's used to indicate the device is one? That's understandable. Then again, everything has some sort of LED nowadays.
11:29 <Alice> It's not an LED to indicate that any fan is on. It's LEDs in the fans.
11:31 <ConfusionRift> Oh... yeah, that this RGB LED bullhockey that everyone's doing. Useless at best, actually damaging at worst.
11:31 <Alice> Damaging for me.
11:32 <Alice> It doesn't damage the hardware or anything like that.
11:32 <Alice> But rather, it keeps me up.
11:32 <Alice> I actually have to flick the PSU power switch on my PC, because of all the LEDs that REMAIN ON EVEN THOUGH THE SYSTEM IS OFF.
11:40 <Alice> Panel Self-Refresh. Meant to save power, actually increases power draw.
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11:53 * Alice goes to hook up old server machine back onto the network.
12:03 <Alice> Wonder how long this old thing takes to build a default configuration kernel.
12:11 <Alice> 5 minutes, 6 seconds, apparently.
12:24 * ConfusionRift flops. "Sleep for wooooork..."
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12:30 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Comics: Brightspot / AQM #55 / Pone Wars #27 / Storms Lullaby #114 [ http://tinyurl.com/y6ednawe ]
13:42 * Lumindia folops
13:43 <Lumindia> you know it's gona be a good day when you see someone getting pulled over when coming back from grocery shopping
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14:09 <Alice> Yep.
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14:26 <Lumindia> was laughing the whole way home
14:30 <Bubbles> ...why?
14:31 <Lumindia> because someone got pulled over
14:31 <Lumindia> that's always funny to see
14:35 <RazorSharpFang> Alice, I had no idea you had changed your nick and thought you were someone new. : /
14:45 <Alice> Heh, sorry.
15:06 <RazorSharpFang> Off to sleep, good night.
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15:41 * PrincessRainbows flops on a random horse
15:44 * Lumindia is flooped on
15:44 * Lumindia pats Rainbows
16:02 * PrincessRainbows wags her tail
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17:20 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Episode Rewatch - MLP Season 4 Episode 7 - 8 - Bats! / Rarity Takes Manehattan [ http://tinyurl.com/yyr6pqj8 ]
17:34 * Lumindia snuggles Rainbows
17:34 <Lumindia> yer soft and huggable
17:34 <Lumindia> <3
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18:25 * Lumindia gives Ali a sammich
18:26 * Ali noms sammich and puts Lumindia into a spidertron.
18:26 <Lumindia> what's a spidertron?
18:31 <Lumindia> the sammich is ham and cheese
18:31 <Ali> new vehicle in Factorio
18:31 <Lumindia> nothing fancy
18:31 <Ali> Fancy spiderboi with quad rockets
18:31 <Lumindia> oooo
18:34 <Ali> Very late game though, needing 2500 bottles on all science
18:38 * Lumindia noms own sammich
18:38 * Lumindia gives Ali a glass of milk
18:39 * Ali yays and drinks
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19:40 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Show/EQG Songs Mashups Album: Rhapsody HC - My Little Pony Mashups Return [ http://tinyurl.com/y5ycgdr6 ]
19:53 <Lumindia> o vo
19:55 * Ali noms Lumindia ears
20:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #3432 [ http://tinyurl.com/yxr2ekmr ]
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20:13 <Schism> I'm never going to sleep again.
20:13 <Schism> Freaking alarms...
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20:16 * Ali flops over Schism and noms ears
20:17 * Schism earwiggles, and offers the Ali a slice of bananana bread.
20:17 <Ali> I've got the groggies today. Second day where I feel like garbage after a few hours of being awake.
20:22 <Schism> Blehr. I'm alert and active, though I didn't have the time to shower before I had to start working, so... shower afterwards. I need to eat, after all.
20:26 * Lumindia snuggles Ali and Schism
20:26 <Lumindia> both of you are lovely and loveable
20:26 * Schism snugs the Lumin, and offers a slice of banananana bread too. Also, rumbles.
20:28 * Schism installs WACUP, to bring her installation of Winamp to a sensible point.
20:34 * PrincessRainbows brushies Ali just because
20:34 * Ali squishies tail at PrincessRainbows
20:35 * PrincessRainbows wags her tail back and barks at Ali
20:48 <Schism> Hum. "Honestly, I think Tom Clancy's writing has picked up a lot since 2013."
21:07 * Lumindia brushes Rainbows
22:07 <Lumindia> I have chicken and rice
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22:39 * Starlight_Glimmer sits on Ali
22:40 * Ali flumps under Starlight_Glimmer
22:41 <Starlight_Glimmer> She makes me feel fat :(
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23:09 * Lumindia hugs GlimGlam
23:09 <Lumindia> nah, you aint' fat
23:09 * Lumindia brushes
23:17 * Starlight_Glimmer nibbles on Lumindia
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23:20 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Discussion: What Do You Think The Best Way to Share Pony Is? [ http://tinyurl.com/y5lxeajb ]
23:55 * PrincessRainbows flops on Lumindia and makes filly noises
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