00:00 * Lumindia snuggles up with. soooofffttt
00:02 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Fanfiction Updates - September 20th [ http://tinyurl.com/y24husk3 ]
00:16 * PrincessRainbows offers every pony beef patties and pants
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00:19 * PrincessRainbows waggleponies at Dappled
00:20 * PrincessRainbows runs around barking for a bit for now
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00:44 <PinkieShy> Our roof started to leak again back on Thursday..
00:44 <PinkieShy> Somebody told us since the landlord doesn't replace the ceiling at all to make sure we get the mold killing paint to put on it
00:45 <PinkieShy> Since there will be mold on it even if it gets fixed and that we don't need to breath it in
00:45 <PinkieShy> Thankfully we got some mold killing paint.. :)
00:48 * Lumindia yawns, curls up in bed
00:49 <PinkieShy> Even the church roof leaked :(
00:49 <PinkieShy> The fellowship hall they told us to not go in being there was wires and such all over the place.
00:51 * PrincessRainbows sighs and curls up in a corner anyway
00:52 * PinkieShy snugs PrincessRainbows
00:55 * Dappled horses into existence once more.
00:56 * PrincessRainbows horse at both PinkieShy and Dappled before sucking it up
00:59 <PrincessRainbows> my hands will never be anywhere near stable again so I guess I'll have to go ahead and install windows back to use that software
00:59 * Dappled holds up Ampharos.... This is a weird looking sheep.
00:59 * Lumindia pulls Dappled into snuggles
00:59 * Dappled sympathizes with unstable hands.
00:59 * Dappled snuggles Lumindia.
00:59 <Lumindia> = w=
00:59 <Lumindia> sleepytime
01:02 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Fanfiction: Endless Forms Most Beautiful [ http://tinyurl.com/y37hw9v5 ]
01:02 <PrincessRainbows> I might be stupid for still believing in hope but it doesn't matter
01:20 * PrincessRainbows clutches Lumindia like a plushie
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03:35 * PrincessRainbows sniffs around for a poni to hug
03:38 <Ali> And now its time for migraine sunday
03:38 * Ali blehs and flops over PrincessRainbows
03:42 <PrincessRainbows> Oof I remember those, never found out why. Probably related to the kidney failure since it disa after the transplant
03:47 * PrincessRainbows looks up at Ali like any little filly in need of snuggles
03:48 * Ali snuggles PrincessRainbows lots and brushies fur.
03:50 * PrincessRainbows whinnies
03:53 * PrincessRainbows grabs her pacifier and grabby hooves at Ali
03:54 * Ali already scooped PrincessRainbows up and gives the filly a plushie
04:00 * Filly_Nightmares nomfs Ali
04:01 * Ali squeaks, mango's Filly_Nightmares, and pulls her away from fires.
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04:02 * Filly_Nightmares nomfs Ali because there was an earfquake two days ago!
04:02 <Ali> Funny, not sure how the news missed that
04:05 * Filly_Nightmares bounces at Ali because it was a 4.6 magnitude earfquake! _
04:05 * Filly_Nightmares hungry
04:05 * Ali gives Filly_Nightmares another mango and still pulls her out of all the fires of Cali.
04:05 * Filly_Nightmares nom nom nom nom mango!
04:06 * PrincessRainbows hugs Ali anyway and sighs
04:06 * Ali huggles PrincessRainbows and Filly_Nightmares together cause snuggly fillies.
04:07 * PrincessRainbows squees and makes silly filly noises
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04:14 * PrincessRainbows boops filly_nightmares 's wings curiously though
04:18 * Filly_Nightmares flap flappies her wingies wildly at PrincessRainbows and skree!
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04:28 * PrincessRainbows flap flaps too and whinnies
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04:52 * PrincessRainbows flops on the ground and starts painting on the walls
04:54 <Schism> welp.
04:55 <Schism> Just finished season 3 of Stranger Things. The most terrifying thing about this show is that 1980s fashions might someday come back into style.
05:18 * PrincessRainbows paints wings on Ali and giggles. Yay, princess horse
05:52 * Ali flops over Schism and grumps about stone Shadow
05:54 * PrincessRainbows boops Ali with her plushie before curling up for sleepies like a good little filly. Nini
05:55 <Schism> Egcbbh! Okaaaaay fine.
05:55 <Schism> I beat Brock. Going to be interesting to deal with the nex--actually, no, that can wait.
05:56 <Ali> But Brock Rocks...with ground
05:56 <Schism> Metal Claw won against him, thankfully. With a potion in-combat, because I refuse to use the 'no items' rule.
05:57 <Ali> And you didn't get bide...oh wait wrong version
05:57 <Schism> No, I did get Bide. However, it didn't manage to proc.
05:58 <Schism> It does take some time to actually set itself up.
05:58 <Ali> Well if you get it at the wrong time, and you can't damage thru it
05:58 <Ali> I've had that happen in RBY
05:58 <Ali> Its why I go for growl/tail whip first and bait out the bide
05:58 <Schism> Well, that's when you say, "Goodbye, Pokemon, you get to take the hit instead."
05:58 <Ali> Then wait till it fails and then hit for that turn.
05:59 <Schism> In this case, Charmeleon was high enough level.
06:00 <Ali> Lvl 16 is a bit overlevel
06:00 <Ali> But Misty will ruin your day
06:01 <Schism> Yes. So I want to overlevel *even more*...
06:01 <Ali> STAB Bubblebeam will still rip Charmelion a new one.
06:23 <Schism> I'd be tempted to use Libman to just Psychic the damned Starmie.
06:24 <Schism> However, that will have to wait.
06:26 <Schism> Or use a Bug-type. Which would possibly be beneficial. :<
06:27 * PrincessRainbows boops Ali's horn for sleepy magic, filly can't sleep :(
06:27 <Schism> However, there are few bug type moves.
06:27 <Schism> Ah well, things for later.
06:27 <Ali> Schism, that would be stupid to use Psychic on Starmie
06:27 <Ali> Starmie is a Water/Psychic type
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07:07 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ConfusionRift
07:07 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
07:07 * Ali flops over ConfusionRift
07:07 * ConfusionRift huggles Ali.
07:13 <Finwe> Morning, everypony!
07:13 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift, Mlles Ali, Alice, Filly_Nightmares, PrincessRainbows and Schism.
07:13 <Finwe> o7
07:13 <Finwe> Capt Koopz.
07:13 <Finwe> o7
07:16 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
07:18 <Koopz> RAdm. Finwe o7
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07:56 * ConfusionRift flops all around.
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08:08 * PrincessRainbows looks up at ConfusionRift with teary and grabby hooves. Uppies?
08:08 * ConfusionRift grabbies PrincessRainbows and also huggles.
08:09 * PrincessRainbows wags her tail and licks ConfusionRift
08:11 * Ali blehs into PrincessRainbows and ConfusionRift, migraine gone, but now is not sleepy.
08:12 * PrincessRainbows offers Ali a twilight plushie. Sleep is hard after all
08:12 * ConfusionRift lightly pats Ali.
08:14 <PrincessRainbows> Since I can't sleep anyway I'm currently sorting my thoughts into words (aka writing)
08:16 * PrincessRainbows sits on ConfusionRift for a while
08:19 <PrincessRainbows> As for why I'm still up, due to some <redacted>, selfish people I can't see a GI specialist and running to the bathroom kills the concept of sleep, bleh
08:26 <PrincessRainbows> Not to mention the pain X_X
08:30 * ConfusionRift also has them pains.
08:31 <ConfusionRift> Called in because my back really didn't want me to go to work. And then the migraine...
08:47 * ConfusionRift goes back to MMZX.
08:47 <ConfusionRift> Almost finished.
08:50 <PrincessRainbows> I think now the medicine should kick in. But I'm wide awake
08:50 <ConfusionRift> Oh, and did check that item lock, and yes. I cannot obtain the last subtank, unless I play it in hard mode... which I have to unlock in the first place. Oh well.
08:51 * ConfusionRift lightly pats PrincessRainbows.
08:52 * PrincessRainbows hugs the RiftPone so much
08:52 * ConfusionRift huggles back.
08:54 <PrincessRainbows> Hmm, in December I have to go in to the hospital for my annual post-transplant imaging so maybe I should just schedule it anyway
09:14 * PrincessRainbows grabby hooves more at ConfusionRift because horsey hugs are nice
09:15 * ConfusionRift grabbies PrincessRainbows and huggles some more. :P
09:17 <PrincessRainbows> Yay!! horseys are soft and cuddly
09:19 * PrincessRainbows nibbles on ConfusionRift's hooves just because
09:33 <Alice> According to research ConfusionRift, I see no lock on the subtanks.
09:37 <ConfusionRift> Oooh, apparently is an easy mode only issue. I did play the original on easy. Normal was very problematic.
09:40 * PrincessRainbows yawns and makes random little baby horse noises before going sleepies for real hopefully
09:42 * PrincessRainbows curls up under ConfusionRift cause warm. Night
09:43 <ConfusionRift> Have a good one.
09:50 <Alice> Even in Japanese class, my affection for cats shows. "Where shall we go today?" "Let's go to the park." "Sounds good. What's there?" "There's a cat cafe nearby. So let's go visit the cat cafe!"
09:54 <ConfusionRift> "<Well, we can always go to other cafes.>" | (checks his note) Hmm, did I say that right? | "What?" | The previous sentence. | "<There's a cat cafe nearby. So let's go visit the cat cafe>?" | Ah, just wanted to make sure. (ahem!) <Did I stutter?! Cat CAFE!> :P
09:59 <Alice> I'd be done of my homework now, except I got an e-mail overnight that the page numbers listed may be incorrect because of different versions, and that we're to do exactly lesson 5. I did the page numbers specified, which covered parts of lesson 4 and lesson 5. The work is due today! :D
10:02 * ConfusionRift sighs at that.
10:03 <Alice> I get the impression there may be an extension
10:04 <Alice> Funny thing is, as far as I know, it's the same textbook version, so the discrepancy is weird.
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10:17 <Lumindia> a
10:19 <Finwe> b
10:28 <ConfusionRift> g? DOH!
10:29 * Lumindia chews on Finwe's ear
10:33 <Lumindia> I have a question for everyone
10:33 <Lumindia> DO you remember... the twenty-first night of september?
10:33 <Lumindia> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs069dndIYk
10:33 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Earth, Wind & Fire - September
10:33 * Finwe ear-wiggles.
10:33 <Finwe> !plot
10:33 <DerpyBot> *wigglewiggle*
10:33 <Finwe> *wigglewiggle*
10:33 <Lumindia> *wigglewiggle*
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10:48 <ConfusionRift> ...
10:49 * ConfusionRift gets the final subtank. "I suppose you were right, Alice."
10:54 <Schism> Only a monster wouldn't save the animals.
10:54 <Lumindia> gotta save those frames
10:55 <Schism> But the frames won't come back and save you in the sequel! They'll just run off.
10:55 <ConfusionRift> GDQ enlightened me about the animals. I didn't knew back then, so I finished the game several times without saving them... whoops.
10:56 <Schism> At least now you know. o3o;
10:57 * Schism stretches, and squeaks at a pop. "Darnit."
10:57 * ConfusionRift doesn't save them and runs off. "Huh? Oh... I knew I forgot something."
10:58 <Lumindia> I mean, the donations said to leave them behind, so
10:58 * Lumindia shrug
10:59 * ConfusionRift flies off. "New PB, babeh!"
10:59 <Lumindia> yep
10:59 <Lumindia> :thumbsup:
11:01 <Alice> Gods, that took way too much effort.
11:02 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #2061 [ http://tinyurl.com/y3sx2r93 ]
11:02 <Alice> Also, I need a much bigger PC case.
11:02 * ConfusionRift points at his Corsair case.
11:03 <Alice> It's getting too cramped in my case, partly because of the cooler.
11:03 <Schism> Had to help my brother set up his PC yesterday. My patience for finicky, gimmicky cases has been severely diminished thereby.
11:03 <Alice> Of all the items to be delayed for delivery, the bluetooth dongle is the one being delayed.
11:04 <Alice> I also forgot just how loud CD-ROM drives are.
11:04 <Schism> o3o;
11:04 <RazorSharpFang> Good evening
11:04 <Schism> Hello to you too, RazorStockMarket.
11:05 <Alice> I needed it because my Japanese class homework has listening comprehension, which involves audio tracks off of CDs.
11:05 <ConfusionRift> You can put an E-ATX, standard PSU, 6 3.5 hard drives, 2 cd drives, radiator or water io coolers, and still have space for a second GPU.
11:05 <Schism> ... off CDs. <.<; They couldn't just send you MP3s, of course.
11:05 <Alice> Man, seriously, the speed of this drive.. It makes you wonder why anyone would ever go back to CD-ROMs of any format. Especially since flash capacities are outspeeding CD capacities.
11:05 <Alice> Max I'm aware of is a double-layer Blu-ray disk at around 100GB or so.
11:06 * Schism provides the RSF with some corn muffins with honey and strawberry jam.
11:06 <Lumindia> that's quite a bit of space
11:07 <Schism> Hum. Couple weeks from now I should see about getting myself a nice NVMe drive to clip into the actual bus. They've come down in price, as they so often do.
11:08 <Schism> I hadn't realized this motherboard had that capacity.
11:09 <Alice> Oh, good.
11:09 <Alice> Prof moved the due date.
11:10 <Alice> Most modern boards, like, within the last 2 years, have an NVMe connector.
11:10 <Alice> But make sure it's actually NVMe and not M.2 SATA.
11:11 <Schism> Lumindia: https://reallifecomics.com/index.php
11:11 <Alice> Lumindia: It is, but currently, a 128GB flash drive is about $25, and has far, far, FAR more re-writable capacity than a BD-ROM, and much faster speeds now.
11:11 <Schism> Poor Mae, not knowing how to manipulate the DF. <.<;
11:12 <Alice> I mean, even now, SD cards are approaching NVMe speeds.
11:12 <Alice> SD Express was announced in the last year or so, it's basically an SD card that directly connects to the PCIe bus.
11:12 <Alice> Thus giving it near-NVMe speeds for read and write.
11:12 <RazorSharpFang> Neat!
11:13 <Alice> Initial versions are around 1GByte/sec, using a single PCIe lane.
11:13 <Schism> Amusingly, my brother's brand shiny new motherboard is M.2 SATA, and mine is actually NVMe. However, the hard drive I picked up before is still a SATA...
11:13 <Alice> A more recent spec version increases it to 2 lanes, and PCIe4 speeds, so it'll allow for up to 4GBytes.
11:14 <Alice> That said, apparently SD Express has some security issues.
11:16 <Alice> Doesn't look like my laptop supports it though.
11:16 <Alice> The chip in it is from 2016. SD Express was announced in 2019.
11:16 <Alice> ER, 2018*
11:19 * Alice flops. Wants NVMe drive to arrive.
11:22 <Alice> Right, with the one-day extension of due date for the homework, I'm gonna put that on hold for now. For now, I'm gonna spend time studying vocab.
11:22 <Schism> Hum. When dealing with an entity which has supernatural levels of hyper-awareness, the best way to stymie it may be to overload its awareness.
11:22 * Schism nodnods to Alice.
11:22 <Schism> Antiquated technology or no, at least you don't have that Japanese teacher.
11:22 <Alice> Heh.
11:23 <Alice> Based on observation, it appears that Mami Sasaki does the Fall classes, while the other prof does the Winter classes.
11:24 <Schism> Hopefully they'll carry on with that pattern so you don't get her again.
11:24 <Alice> You know what's really funny though?
11:25 <Alice> Hearing speak some Japanese, and then go "yada yada yada" to express the phrase "etcetera"
11:26 <Schism> And more like, and more like...~
11:27 <Alice> I do wonder one thing about the language, though.
11:28 <Schism> Hum. I would've thought that 'yadda, yadda' was from Yiddish, but evidently not.
11:28 <Alice> There are a lot of inconsistencies with numbers. For example, 4 is よん(yon), but if you specify 4'clock, it's よじ, not よんじ. Every other time is of the form <number>じ, with no change to the number.
11:29 <Finwe> a
11:29 <Finwe> Schism:
11:29 <Alice> And the same goes for much larger numbers, with a few cases.
11:29 <Finwe> I'd guess it just depicts meaningless chatter.
11:29 * Schism nods to Finwe. "Rhubarb, rhubarb."
11:30 <Finwe> Rheum rhabarbarum.
11:30 <Alice> In order from 1 to 9: ichi, ni, san, yon, go, roku, nana, hachi, kyuu, and jyuu.
11:30 <Schism> Alice: I know that there's a cultural thing about the number 4, in that it's a terminally unlucky number, but I'd not realized the differences therein.
11:31 <Finwe> Rha is the river Volga, and barbarians are so called because their language sounded like "barbarbar" in Greek ears.
11:31 <Schism> Finwe: And now we have the saying, "That's Greek to me," so kinda tells you a thing about barbarians. o3o
11:32 <Alice> In order from 100 to 900: hyaku, nihyaku, sanbyaku, yonhyaku, gohyaku, ropphyaku, nanahyaku, happyaku, kyuuhyaku
11:32 <Alice> As you can see, for whatever reason, san, roku, and hachi all have a slight difference. Also, it is roppyaku, not ropphyaku.
11:33 <Schism> Well, linguistic drift is a thing.
11:33 <Alice> Then, for 1000s, only 3000 and 8000 have a difference.
11:34 <Alice> 1000 - sen, 2000 - nisen, 3000 - sanzen, 8000 - hassen
11:34 <Schism> After all, Alice, what do you call the 13th element in the periodic table, the one you put onto baking sheets for cooking purposes? <.<
11:34 <Alice> The rest all follow the pattern of <number>sen
11:34 <Alice> Ten thousand, meanwhile, is sane.
11:34 <Alice> Though there's one difference compared to thousand and hundred.
11:34 * Schism earquirks.
11:35 <Finwe> Schism: I recall Aphrodite using the phrase "yadda yadda yadda" in Xena.
11:35 <Alice> Where in the 100 and 1000 case, it's hyaku and sen, with no number beforehand..
11:35 <Alice> For 10,000, you have to include the number. Thus, ichiman, niman, sanman, yonman, goman, rokuman, hachiman, kyuuman, etc.
11:35 <Schism> Finwe: Which, of course, is an accurate depiction of historical events. (Particularly the sapphic romance.)
11:35 <Alice> You can't use 'man' by itself.
11:36 <Alice> Further complexity comes when you want to express a million.
11:36 <Finwe> Alice: Why, it's one hundred myriads.
11:36 <Alice> 1,000,000 / 10,000 = 100. Thus, what do you think the japanese word is for 1,000,000?
11:37 <Schism> 100, 10,000, hyakuman?
11:37 * Schism defeats Alice's mahjong hand with a yakuman. <.<
11:38 <Alice> Pretty much.
11:38 <Schism> Four concealed pon~
11:38 <Alice> 7,000,000: nanahyakuman
11:39 <Alice> And then we have time, which given the English manner of expressing time, is weird.
11:39 <Alice> For the hours, it's straightforward.
11:39 <Schism> The English manner of expressing time is weird anyway. 60 minutes and 60 seconds, because a circle has 360 degrees (taken after the time it takes for the Earth to move around the sun)...
11:40 <Alice> Yeah, but Japanese time expression's funky, because again it doesn't use the numbers as they are without any additional context assigned to them.
11:40 <Lumindia> isn't it also because 60 can be evenly divided into 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, and 30?
11:40 <Alice> For the most part, the hours are fine. <number>ji, with exception to 9'o clock. Instead of kyuuji, it's just kuji.
11:40 <Finwe> Schism: It's because the Babylonians used base 60 for their number system.
11:41 <Alice> Meanwhile, minutes are just a glorious cluster****.
11:41 <Schism> Finwe: That fingers-and-knuckles explanation never really quite sat well with me, but then, I'm not an anthropologist.
11:41 <Finwe> Partially for the reasons mentioned by Lumindia.
11:41 <Schism> Alice: Hehe.
11:42 <Schism> 60 *is* nicely divisible, at least, but... ehh.
11:42 * Lumindia boops Schism's snootle
11:42 <Lumindia> ;' w'
11:42 <Alice> 1 - ippun, 2- nifun, 3 - sanpun, 4 - yonpun, 5 - gofun, 6 - roppun, 7 - nanafun, 8 - happun, 9 - jyuufun, 10 - jyuupun, and so on, and so on.
11:42 * Schism puts a Rainbow Cosmos in Lumindia's hair.
11:43 * Lumindia keeps booping the schism snootle
11:43 <Lumindia> " w"
11:43 * Schism squeaks repeatedly, albeit in an entirely different way each time.
11:43 <Alice> Age is mostly sane. There's two words for 10 and 11 years old, and 20 is entirely different than what you'd expect.
11:43 <Lumindia> does hitting 20 years old have some cultural significance in japan?
11:44 <Alice> No idea.
11:44 <Lumindia> I mean, that's my only idea as to why the word for '20 years old' would be different
11:44 <Alice> 10 is jyussai or jissai. 11 I was wrong about. 20 SHOULD be, following the pattern, nijyussai or nijissai.
11:44 <Alice> Instead, it's hatachi.
11:44 <Finwe> In Danish, 55 is femhalvtres, "fivehalfthird".
11:45 <Alice> That said, nijyussai/nijisai is acceptable.
11:45 <Lumindia> 'five half third'?
11:45 * Alice actually wrote several programs to test and practice numbers of these types with.
11:45 <Lumindia> I'ms orry, you what, danish people?
11:45 <Finwe> Lumindia: Yes, five, two times twenty and half of the third twenty.
11:46 <Finwe> 5 + 2 x 20 + 20/2 = 55. o3o
11:46 <Finwe> 60 would just be "tres", three twenties.
11:47 <Finwe> In Swedish, we used to have small hundred and large hundred.
11:48 <Finwe> Small hundred being equal to 100, and the large one to 120.
11:50 <Finwe> 60 can also be called threescore in English, eeenope?
11:50 <Schism> Yes.
11:50 <Schism> "Britain resisted decimalization for the longest time because they felt it would be too complicated." --Pterry
11:51 <Schism> ( https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8354000-note-for-young-people-and-americans-one-shilling-five )
11:51 <Finwe> So the large hundred was six scores, the little one only five scores.
11:52 <Alice> Schism: I mean, well, look at the US and Metric.
11:53 <Schism> Silly measurement systems, all around. Then again, the weight of the kilogram is tied to the weight of the kilogram.
11:53 <Finwe> Not a farthing more, not a penny less.
11:54 <Alice> Hum, I'm debating if I should use the good thermal paste I have for my new NVMe. I don't think the thermal paste on the current heatsink I have is working right, based on benchmarks.
11:54 <Alice> Benchmarks I checked for my current drive indicates that I should be getting far higher speeds for a much longer time before thermal throttling kicks in.
11:55 <Alice> Which means either the thermal paste connection to the drive isn't the best, because it was a thermal pad it came with, oooooorrr.
11:55 <Alice> It's overheating because of being in between two hot devices.
11:56 <Alice> Which could be resolved by moving the nVidia GPU down to the other PCIe slot.
11:56 <Alice> Giving better airflow. At the same time, I should look into cleaning up all the wires as much as possible.
11:57 <Alice> I should also look into installing that multi-drive bay of mine into my PC, and remove all internal drives for cleanliness.
11:57 <Finwe> Schism: It's defined in the terms of the Planck constant, the speed of light in vacuum and the transition frequency of the cesium atom betwixt two energy levels of the superfine structure of its basic state.
11:58 <Finwe> Until 2019, it was defined to be the mass of the prototype of one kilogramme.
11:58 <Schism> Well, now it is. Beforehand, it was based on a lump of metal which-- yes.
11:58 <Schism> We've had this conversation before, of course. :p
11:59 <Finwe> And before that, to be the mass of one litre of water at 274.15 K.
11:59 <Finwe> Which falls within 30 ppm of the current definition.
11:59 <Finwe> o3o
11:59 <Alice> Hum, you know..
12:00 <Alice> I thought USB-C provided more power than USB2 ports?
12:00 <Schism> At least a litre of water could be defined by some factors. Also... does it not?
12:01 <Schism> Hum. This is not a happy thread. Nor should it be, especially with the plague ongoing. https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/1307356894818832388
12:01 <Alice> It does, it's just it doesn't appear to be enough to drive a 3.5" drive?
12:01 <Schism> I thought it always took at least two USB busses to provide sufficient power for an external drive.
12:02 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: 2 Best Sisters Play Pokemon Snap Taken Down By Youtube for Community Guidelines Violation [ http://tinyurl.com/yy9pcj24 ]
12:02 <Alice> Yeah, that was back in the USB 2.0 era.
12:02 <Finwe> Schism: One litre is defined to be one cubic decimetre.
12:02 <Alice> USB3 provides 5V/3A now.
12:02 <Schism> Hmm.
12:03 <Alice> Enclosures I'm looking at apparently need 12V.
12:04 <Lumindia> so not sure if I mentioned it, but I'm looking at building a new PC
12:05 <Alice> Oh?
12:05 <Lumindia> my current PC is eight years old
12:05 <Schism> And mine is 30. </ShipOfTheseus>
12:06 * Alice is unsure of her computer's ages, as she doesn't track that information.
12:06 <Lumindia> I don't remember the exact age, but I can say that it came with a GTX 550 Ti
12:06 <Lumindia> and has an i5-3570 CPU
12:07 <Lumindia> all the other stuff I'm unsure of
12:07 <Finwe> I have i5-2400 with GTX 645 OC.
12:07 <Schism> Up until my latest upgrade, that's commensurate with what I had, Lumin. Good time to build a new one, though.
12:07 <Alice> Ah.
12:07 <Alice> That's why they're powered.
12:08 <Alice> The larger drives use a 12v motor.
12:08 <Lumindia> https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tq2vHB is the parts list I've been recommended for my budget of 1.2k
12:08 <Finwe> And Mac Pro 2008 with 2 x Xeon E5462.
12:08 <Lumindia> thought I'm willilng to go up to 1.3k if need be
12:08 <Finwe> Currently fitted with Radeon HD 5870.
12:08 <Alice> 3.5" drives use 12 volts, 2.5" drives use 5 volts. Hence 2.5" drives can be powered by USB3.0/USB-C.
12:08 <Alice> But the 3.5" drives? Nope.
12:09 <Schism> Ah, that'd do it.
12:09 <Alice> Only reason I don't want that drive in the system is it takes up a lot of space.
12:09 <Alice> Mind, I could probably get away with putting it in the 5.25" bay to keep it "internal"
12:09 <Schism> Something something external PCI bus standard, but that would cause more headaches.
12:10 <Alice> Well, as it is, I can't fit anything in the top 5.25" bay.
12:10 <Alice> At least, anything that's actually 5.25" in size.
12:10 <Lumindia> though I'm going to wait until the 3070 comes out and maybe use that instead of the 2060 super
12:10 <Alice> The case is poorly designed, in retrospect after buying it.
12:11 <Lumindia> since the 3070 is only 100 dollars more
12:11 <Alice> Basically, if you have two top case fans, you can't fit anything in the top drive bay.
12:11 * Schism eyebrows at Lumindia.
12:11 <Lumindia> what?
12:11 * Lumindia eyebrows back at Schiswm
12:11 <Alice> Lumindia, you're going to be waiting a long while.
12:11 <Schism> Lumin. What makes you think you have to build your computer all at once?
12:11 <Lumindia> I'm aware of the release date
12:11 <Alice> It's not the release date.
12:11 <Schism> You can just buy the requisite parts for the *rest* of it now.
12:12 * Finwe noms on Lumindia's future RTX 3070.
12:12 * Lumindia baps Finwe
12:12 <Lumindia> stoppit
12:12 <Alice> In case you haven't been paying attention, people are using illigitimate means to obtain all the stock of the 3000 series RTX cards to resell on websites like eBay.
12:12 <Schism> What, you think nVidia's going to be throwing away a market by making it incompatible with most motherboards?
12:12 * Finwe nimbly evades the bap.
12:12 <Alice> For several times the price.
12:12 <Schism> Oh. Yick, Alice.
12:12 <Alice> Yeah.
12:12 <Schism> I deal with that every goddamned day with shoes, so technology is even worse.
12:12 <Alice> The stock of 3080s was sold out within a minute all over.
12:13 <Alice> And then resold on eBay.
12:13 <Alice> One person actually paid $70,000 to get the 3080.
12:13 <Schism> I call that day "Tuesday".
12:13 <Lumindia> '-' here's the thing... I'm HOPING that nVidia is going to LEARN from that nonsense, and implement measures for the 3070's release
12:13 <Alice> There's also the cryptominers.
12:13 * ConfusionRift pukes so much oil.
12:13 <Alice> Lumindia.
12:13 <Schism> Lumin: Why would they? They're still selling the product, and faster than ever before.
12:13 <Alice> The PS5 sold out in the same amount of time, and is being resold on eBay.
12:13 <Alice> They legitimately don't care.
12:13 <Lumindia> the PS5 isn't even OUT yet, is it?
12:13 <Alice> As far as they're concerned, they made their money off of the product.
12:14 <Alice> Yeah, but you can pre-order.
12:14 <Lumindia> How is it ALREADY being resold?
12:14 <Alice> And that's what's being sold, the pre-orders.
12:14 <Alice> Lumindia, people will buy a farking nVidia RTX 3080 box, not the product, the BOX.
12:14 <Schism> This is, remember, the corporate parlance. Did they make money? Yes. Did they make money fast? Also yes. Is the amount of backlash they're going to receive more of a problem than the amount of money they received is worth? No. What problem, THERE IS NO PROBLEM! :D
12:15 <Alice> The backlash does nothing against them.
12:15 <Alice> In fact, any backlash against them is unwarranted.
12:15 <Schism> And people wonder why I'm not a first adopter. Furrfu.
12:15 <Alice> Because the problem wasn't theirs, in that they didn't prepare enough consoles or video cards, or whatever.
12:15 <Alice> No, the problem, and blame, falls upon those who buy out the products as quickly as possible, then resell them.
12:16 <Alice> No amount of preparation will deal with that.
12:16 <Lumindia> I know you're just telling me the truth, but it still kind of stings
12:16 <Finwe> Schism: If the computer has worked well for 12 years, why get a new one?
12:16 <Alice> It could be 100, 1,000, 10,000, 100,000, 1,000,000 and so on units.
12:16 <Alice> But they'll all be bought out in record time if there's a demand.
12:16 <Finwe> Also, the newest model costs €6,000 or more. :/
12:16 <Alice> If anything, the problem falls upon retailers.
12:16 <Schism> Alice, once again, every two weeks there's a new pair of shoes, and EVERY SINGLE TIME people from China or Korea or Japan buy them up (which, to be honest, good for them), and then every single time people are upset with us...
12:16 <Alice> They should be limiting it to one purchase per person.
12:17 * Schism sets up a bot to buy 100 pieces of hardware, 1/ea.
12:17 <Alice> Of course, when you have millions of bots, with different IP addresses, you can just have each one make an account, with the same address information, credit information, etc.
12:17 <Alice> And have them log in to the website, each buy a single unit, and your problem is solved.
12:17 <Alice> So then the solution is to limit it to a single credit card and single address.
12:18 <Alice> Except, you can rent out boxes at your local postal service, and of course, people put their credit card information on the Internet in insecure manners willy nilly.
12:18 <Schism> Ahahahahaha. You should see the bull[yay] I deal with on the back end of an ordering system.
12:18 <Alice> Just grab a bunch of those boxes, and look around for a collection of valid credit card data.
12:18 <Alice> Then supply your bots each with different box/address and credit information.
12:18 <Alice> Voila, you can buy the stock out.
12:18 <Alice> The worst part about all of this to me..
12:19 <Alice> Is that I know how this can all be done.
12:19 <Schism> What I would GREATLY like to see is a limitation of orders going to NE Airport Road, Portland, Oregon, or to Wilmington, Delaware.
12:19 <Alice> And I could implement it.
12:19 <Alice> The problem comes down to a simple one.
12:19 <Alice> Online pre-orders for products are a very bad idea.
12:19 <Schism> Oh yes. I am so, so thankful that TPTB in my job haven't implemented preorders.
12:20 <Alice> If you know your product is popular, and will sell out fast, you should limit it to offline pre-orders only.
12:20 <Alice> Because the stores can enforce that one-unit-per-person behavior.
12:20 <Alice> Of course, you can still work around it to some extent.
12:20 <Alice> Have multiple people from a group or family show up, each one buying a unit.
12:20 <Alice> Of course, retailers can try to prevent this by requesting address information.
12:20 <Schism> "Hi, me and my hundred friends would like to purchase one pair of limited edition shoes each, in contiguous sizes."
12:21 <Alice> Problem is, you can just give a fake address.
12:21 <Alice> If their system is good, they'd detect the fake address.
12:21 <Schism> That depends upon the system being good.
12:21 <Alice> Or notice it's outside the sensible range of travel, if you give a valid address that's outside the city.
12:21 <Lumindia> something something lowest bidder
12:21 <Alice> You can't compare phone numbers, as everyone these days has a phone, with it's own unique number.
12:22 * ConfusionRift flops and explodes.
12:22 <Alice> So that's no good outside of making sure that one person can only make one purchase, no matter what store they go to.
12:22 * Schism hugs ConfusionRift, and offers a caramel ice cream sandwich.
12:22 * ConfusionRift noms and thankies Schism. :P
12:22 <Alice> That said..
12:22 <Schism> Without putting things too far forward, I can say that either A. SalesForce is a company which has absolutely no idea what they're doing with database management, or B. my company has no idea what they're doing with SalesForce. I give it a 50/50 chance.
12:23 <Alice> Offline pre-orders, regardless of the intricate problems, is still the best way to handle release of a popular platform or device.
12:23 <Alice> Online pre-orders are just too prone to being abused by botnets.
12:23 <Alice> A lot of people in the world would LOVE to take down those botnets, but uhm..
12:23 <Alice> Good luck.
12:23 <Alice> Botnets are here to stay, regardless of what we do.
12:24 <Schism> Worse, someone who would download a single botnet-infected process will download multiple.
12:24 <Alice> Some even do so from trusted websites unknowingly.
12:24 <Schism> Mine coins, my lord!
12:25 <Alice> There have been incidents in the past where video games sold on digital platforms have been caught with mining tools or botnet stuff in them.
12:25 <Alice> Cooking Mama for the Switch comes to mind. It wasn't supposed to be released, but it still was, and it had blockchain stuff in it, leading to the believe that it was mining bitcoins on the Switch when run.
12:26 <Alice> It was, not surprisingly, quickly taken down.
12:26 <Alice> Especially since there were reports of it bricking Switch units.
12:26 <Schism> More pointedly, most people don't realize that by running Windows 10, they're effectively running a BitTorrent distributor unless that's been turned off.
12:26 <Alice> Also, it was published illegally.
12:27 <Alice> The other issue is one that consumers are not entirely at fault for.
12:27 <Alice> Internet of Things.
12:27 <Alice> Good idea in theory. Bad in practice. Because hardware manufacturers are cutting corners.
12:27 * Lumindia sigh. "Again, I know it's just the truth..."
12:27 <Schism> I have an entire diatribe about the IoT.
12:27 <Alice> In fact..
12:27 <Schism> I shan't subject you all to it, because it involves profanity.
12:28 <Alice> The light bulbs I have in my bedroom? They broadcast an AP with no security.
12:28 <Alice> Granted, they don't transmit after they're connected to a network, but..
12:28 <Schism> Alice, no.
12:28 <Schism> No. What makes you think they're not distributing your network's information publicly EVEN THEN?
12:29 <Alice> Because I've monitored the network.
12:29 <Schism> Okay, you know your netwonk's security better than I.
12:29 <Schism> Still...
12:29 <Alice> When the bulbs become a client, their single antenna is used. Thus, the bulbs cannot broadcast an AP and be a client at the same time.
12:30 <Alice> It's one or the other.
12:30 <Alice> Really do need to get back to work on that project.
12:30 <Schism> Go, go, let your brain be useful.
12:30 <Alice> I don't like LIFX's app. It demands a cloud account to use, and regardless of settings, it'll always connect the bulbs to the cloud account.
12:30 <Alice> So you can remotely control them from across the net, so long as the appropriate ports are open, etc.
12:31 <Alice> And removing them from the cloud in the app, removes them from the app as well.
12:31 <Alice> It basically just disconnects the bulb altogether, so that cloud account is NECESSARY.
12:31 <Alice> I don't like that, so I've been reverse-engineering things to get around that.
12:32 <Schism> You might run into some issues with the EULA there, Alice. They might shut off your bulbs.
12:32 <Alice> They can try.
12:33 <Alice> See, prior to connecting to a network, the bulbs have zero ways to receive remote information.
12:33 <Alice> And any ports they use after connected can be blocked for outgoing traffic.
12:33 <Alice> Thus, leaving the bulbs entirely isolated to the network, and still controllable through LAN commands.
12:34 <Schism> I do like that solution. Still, it would be rather amusing if someone set up a botnet entirely based around lightbulbs. That's the sort of thing I'd expect to see in a Cory Doctorow novel.
12:34 <Alice> Honestly, I'd love to remotely log into the bulbs to take a look at what's on them.
12:34 <Alice> I know it's Linux.
12:35 <Alice> I know, because I checked the firmware. Text data in the firmware blob indicates it's a version of Linux built for a SoC.
12:38 <Alice> Their engineers were not the brightest, either.
12:39 <Alice> They stored the private keys in plaintext.
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12:39 <Alice> There's no password on them either.
12:39 <Schism> Perhaps they were intentionally doing a poor job.
12:39 <Schism> Wouldn't be the first time an engineer rebelled against their master.
12:40 <Alice> Nah. I just think they never thought anyone would go this far.
12:40 <Alice> As it is, they have an "open protocol" such that a lot of commands are available as documentation on their website.
12:40 <Alice> But it also turns out that there's another hundred or so commands they didn't cover, that are all "internal"
12:41 <Alice> Including disabling factory reset mode, telling it to connect to such-and-such network, etc.
12:41 <Schism> Alice: quelle surprise
12:41 <Alice> Some of it seems to be done behind security.
12:41 <Schism> Random: https://twitter.com/ksonney/status/1295489908459569153
12:41 <Alice> But with the private key on hand, that's less of an issue.
12:41 <Alice> Tizzy does that with my dad.
12:43 <Schism> Complete with face?
12:45 <Alice> Yes.
12:45 <Schism> Hee. Also, huh. Kevin Sonney has a chickenstream.
12:45 <Alice> Tizzy will crawl up and lay down directly in front of his face.
12:45 <Schism> My cat did that. And then he'd close his eyes and drool.
12:46 <Schism> ... https://twitter.com/ksonney/status/1307342258711166978 Excuse me while I awwww.
12:48 <Alice> Heh.
12:48 <Alice> My mother bought this flower arangement from a neighbour who does flower arangements.
12:48 <Alice> Tizzy and Spitfire are fascinated by it.
12:48 <Alice> Not because flowers.
12:48 <Alice> They just like sitting next to it.
12:49 <Lumindia> but anyway, with regards to the parts I was recommended for my new PC, what do you think?
12:49 <Lumindia> https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tq2vHB repost just in case
12:49 <Schism> Still life in cat and flower (Alice Variable, 2020)
12:50 <RazorSharpFang> We're up to 1.5 GW, and we're using 100% of the nuclear power reactor
12:51 <ConfusionRift> 0_0;
12:51 <Lumindia> Factorio
12:51 <Lumindia> that's the context
12:51 <RazorSharpFang> Only at night though. During the day, we're about 50% solar or so?
12:51 <Lumindia> also that's more power than needed to power the flux capacitor
12:52 <ConfusionRift> I know. I just wasn't aware that the factory was at that much... wait, with how thing are going, I shouldn't be surprised.
12:53 <ConfusionRift> Everything is running at either double, triple, or adjusted capacity. Nothing is energy efficient.
12:54 <RazorSharpFang> Energy efficiency be damned, we want production!
12:54 <ConfusionRift> Why is this build so expensive? Oh wait... no... why is that 2060 super so expensive?!
12:55 <ConfusionRift> Well, that's no priority. Everything seems to check. Not bad.
12:57 <Alice> Hum, guess that answers that question. SD Express may be defined, but it appears no cards utilize it yet. Or at least, I can't find any that use it.
12:58 <Alice> Speaking of SD cards..
12:58 <Alice> You know what I found really weird?
12:58 <Alice> I had my Switch up to date, OS version-wise.
12:58 <ConfusionRift> Lumindia: Guessing you're gonna go with the stock cooler?
12:59 <Alice> And yet, when I tried to use my 512GiB MicroSDXC card, it had to do another system update?
12:59 <ConfusionRift> Hmmm...
12:59 <Alice> I'm going to assume XC support is some sort of module/driver thing.
12:59 <Alice> Which would make the OS modular in design.
13:00 <ConfusionRift> Maybe. Then again, the PS4 does that when changing drives.
13:00 <Lumindia> So Schism, here's a question for you: Are there any locales in XIV you'd pay money to have a framed painting of in your house?
13:01 <Alice> ConfusionRift: Yeah, because the OS is stored on the drive.
13:01 <Alice> In this case, the Switch OS is stored on the switch itself. It has 32GB of flash RAM.
13:01 <ConfusionRift> I'm sure it has more.
13:01 <Alice> So there's no need to do an OS re-install. It's just a case of "copy the data from one SD card to the other and put the new card in."
13:01 <ConfusionRift> Oh wait, no, flash ram.
13:01 <Alice> And yet, it needed to do an update to support the XC card.
13:02 <Alice> ...
13:02 <Alice> Which is made weirder by fact of the old card being MicroSDXC.
13:02 <Alice> Oop.
13:02 <Alice> I need to run, take a quick shower before lecture.
13:03 <ConfusionRift> Here's the thing about the drive switching. You HAVE to download and extract the latest version of the firmware. Even with that, the system still has to update afterwards.
13:05 <ConfusionRift> It reminds me of how Steam makes you "download" a game, even though all you did is systematically move the install folder from a drive to another. Not sure if it's licensing or something else.
13:06 * ConfusionRift gives Lumindia the painting of a silly horse.
13:09 <Lumindia> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405058896512811018/757587203957325884/image0.png this is what I have as my phone wallpaper
13:12 <ConfusionRift> What I got is a crummy shopped wallpaper I made long ago of Styx flying over a snowy mountain. With the locking screen straight up being the end to Progear.
13:13 <ConfusionRift> Everything I have has a awkwardly, non-professional, kinda achy edit of a screenshot of a game of sorts.
13:15 <ConfusionRift> Usually a shmup.
13:16 <ConfusionRift> No FPS's though.
13:16 <Alice> The logic doesn't work when the OS is stored internally, and your swappable/external drive is just storage for games. The PS4, I can understand, as it doesn't have internal flash memory for storing the OS, so it's stored on the drive.
13:16 <Alice> So yeah, you need to download a firmware package, throw it on a USB key, and install it.
13:16 <Alice> The Switch, meanwhile, doesn't need that.
13:16 * ConfusionRift shakes his head.
13:17 <Alice> I suspect it may be that the core OS can be up to date, but it relies on modules that it downloads as necessary.
13:17 <ConfusionRift> It's installed on the drive you're about to switch over.
13:17 <ConfusionRift> It's not installed through USB.
13:17 <Alice> You can use USB, though.
13:17 <Alice> That's how I installed the PS4 OS when I swapped my drives around.
13:18 * ConfusionRift shrugs. "Instructions told me to download and decompress the OS on the drive I'm switching to.
13:19 <ConfusionRift> If you're doing a direct switch or upgrade, you can clone the drive... but don't.
13:19 <ConfusionRift> You're gonna have a headache later.
13:19 <Alice> Could have changed in recent years. When did you do your switcharoo?
13:19 <ConfusionRift> Long ago, I don't remember.
13:19 <ConfusionRift> Gimme a sec.
13:21 <ConfusionRift> 3 years ago.
13:23 <ConfusionRift> I did a direct copy to the new drive, since they were the same capacity... but I regretted it later. You see, to the PS4, a new drive is the same as changing systems. So despite it being the same exact system aside from the drive, it wasn't seen as the same to my account. So it became a secondary system.
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13:25 <ConfusionRift> The only way to turn it into a primary again would be to unregister it as secondary, and re-register it as primary. OR install the old drive again and switch primaries. I didn't know about this mess, till after I gave away my old drive.
13:25 <Alice> Yeah, Sony doesn't make it easy.
13:26 <Alice> In this case, for the Switch, all I had to do was copy the data from the old SD card to the new one, and put it in.
13:26 <ConfusionRift> According to Sony, I had already done a "registration reset" before, so I had to wait till the option was available in a year, or fight customer support to make it available again.
13:27 <Alice> Guh.
13:27 <ConfusionRift> Just to make it primary again. So stupid.
13:28 <ConfusionRift> Oh, and wouldn't be surprised of the update was a form of security measure, as ridiculous as that sounds.
13:32 <Alice> Possible, but it explicitly stated it was due to using an SDXC card. My only other guess is that it had to do with the new card being exFAT formatted.
13:32 <Alice> While the old one was inexplicably formatted FAT32.
13:33 * ConfusionRift head tilts.
13:33 <Alice> Partition types.
13:33 <ConfusionRift> I know. The thing is... the other was the factory card, right?
13:33 <Alice> FAT32 is the old partition type used before NTFS for Windows became the norm. It's primary limitation was a maximum of 4GiB files.
13:33 <Alice> Yeah, the old card was used straight from the packaging. No OS stuff involved.
13:33 <Alice> So why it was FAT32 is beyond me.
13:34 <ConfusionRift> That's the thing that juggles me.
13:34 <Alice> Though, it may be because exFAT, at the time, wasn't universal.
13:34 <Alice> exFAT was proprietary for the longest time, and encumbered by patents.
13:34 <Alice> However, as of last year, that changed.
13:35 <Alice> Microsoft went "Eh, why the hell not?" and released the specification as open-source, and as I understand it, handed all patents over to it's open source initiative.
13:35 <Alice> Ensuring that any other implementations will not be impaired by any sort of litigation on Microsoft's part.
13:35 <Alice> As a result, now every OS can support exFAT without licensing issues.
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13:47 <RazorSharpFang> That is good news.
13:47 * Finwe listens to Walz number 2 of the Jazz Suite by Dmitri Shostakovich.
14:05 * Alice gets out of vocal participation by using an excuse. Still mouthing the sounds, though to practice.
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14:24 <Alice> Throat's killing me today. Not sure why, but it feels like it's raspy and burning a bit. Prolly the infection fighting against the antibiotics.
14:38 <Alice> I legitimately cannot draw anything with a mouse.
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14:43 <RazorSharpFang> Mice are not made for drawing
14:50 <Alice> No, nor are they made for writing either.
14:50 <Alice> But I'm being asked to do this anyways.
14:51 <Alice> Hmm. What's this Vulkan extension..?
14:52 <Alice> Ah... That's useful.
14:53 <Alice> It's an extension that allows non-conformant implementation of Vulkan to tell the application that certain features don't exist, or certain limitations are different.
14:54 <Alice> It's primarily designed for cases like MoltenVK, which maps Vulkan to Metal, but there are some limitations due to this setup.
15:01 <Alice> Oh wow.
15:01 <Alice> Microsoft just bought Zenimax.
15:18 <RazorSharpFang> I actually don't know what Zenimax is
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15:29 <Alice> Parent company of Bethesda, Tango Gameworks, and a few other big names.
15:30 <Alice> And id Software.
15:30 <Alice> So Microsoft now owns all of these companies as a result.
15:34 <Alice> https://twitter.com/kerma4kHD/status/1307934035650449408/photo/1 Heh.
15:35 <Alice> Right, so I guess no lectures for Databases on Monday. He only bothers with the lecture period on Wednesday.
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16:05 <RazorSharpFang> That's a lot for them to own. I'm off to sleep, good night.
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17:02 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Sunset Shimmer Day - Final Warning! [ http://tinyurl.com/y2ga8jwh ]
18:02 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Shades 153 / Lullaby 121 / Soft Heart 14 / Future 34 [ http://tinyurl.com/y6c6sby8 ]
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18:43 <Alice> Cat, I am trying to write Japanese. Do you mind?
18:50 <Schism> He's just helping you with your catakana.
18:51 * Alice goes to stab Schism.
18:52 <Alice> Sweet geebus though, I hate writing.
18:53 <Alice> Not because it's slow or anything, but because of what it does to my hand.
18:53 <Schism> Same! I grip the pen *way* too hard.
18:53 <Alice> If I asked a doctor, they'd literally explain the problem as carpal tunnel,
18:53 <Alice> Geezus hells. My wrist is in agony, and my hand..
18:53 <Schism> "Oh, give me a break. My wrist sounds like a cement mixer." --Bart Simpson
18:54 * Schism takes her insulin, and goes 'guh'.
18:54 <Alice> Heh, that's an apt description for my wrist.
18:55 <Schism> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inpv54nHG-k
18:55 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Cement Mixer
18:55 <Alice> Got a place I can upload a clip of audio?
18:57 <Schism> Vocaroo, I guess? I'd say Youtube, but that's more video.
18:58 <Alice> https://voca.ro/1amPocwiJfra
18:58 <Alice> That's my right wrist.
18:58 <Alice> My dominant hand at that.
19:00 <Schism> Egggh. I've popped mine at times, but that sounds singularly unhealthy.
19:00 * Schism stretches, and her spine readjusts several times over.
19:00 <Alice> And yet, it doesn't hurt, and it's been like that for nearly a decade.
19:00 <Schism> No, the adjustment of fluids caused by popping joints is not harmful.
19:02 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Community Soapbox - Types of Warriors, A Chance for Cozy, Celestia OOC, and More! [ http://tinyurl.com/y6omjawn ]
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19:11 * Schism peers at the newest meme -- Twitter's cropping function for large images. "Oh, is this ever fun." She shakes her head, and chalks one more case up to a matter of 'machine learning algorithms will always be biased'.
19:12 <Schism> (Which is why you should get them to be biased in a sensible way...)
19:14 <Schism> Oh, neat! Zoom does the same thing. https://twitter.com/colinmadland/status/1307115534383710208 I. hate. everything.
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19:15 * Ali flops over the Schism
19:16 * Schism grumpysnugs the Ali.
19:16 * Ali grumps back and leans on Schism
19:23 <Schism> How to troll a know-it-all booli. https://agirlandherfed.com/
19:29 * MaredoggieRainbows gallops at the Ali and glomps
19:30 * Ali squeaks, falls over, and snuggles the MaredoggieRainbows
19:32 * Schism looks at Azulcrescent's update, and chuckles at violet nails.
19:39 * Angeline pounces Ali
19:39 * Ali snugs Angeline as well, is in need of snugs
19:40 <Schism> "Dogs will mourn over your body, cats will just eat it." "And you wonder why I prefer cats? That sort of pragmatism is perfectly sensble."
19:40 <Schism> sensible*
19:43 * MaredoggieRainbows pants and begs Ali for sugar cubes
19:43 * Ali gives MaredoggieRainbows treats instead.
19:46 <Schism> "I will write a bestselling novel to vote this year if I have to!" "Not with those ideas, you won't." /XKCD
19:50 * Angeline lays on a cushion and hits Factorio with a stick.
19:55 * MaredoggieRainbows shrugs and noms then licks Ali so much
19:56 * Ali licks Angeline and wonders why she's having Factorio issues
19:57 *** MaredoggieRainbows is now known as PrincessRainbows
19:57 * PrincessRainbows just flops anyway
19:58 * Ali brushies PrincessRainbows too
19:59 * Angeline is just bad at the game
19:59 * Schism wonders if she might have known Angeline by a different name.
20:01 * PrincessRainbows grabby hooves at Ali like any upset little filly
20:02 * Ali brushies PrincessRainbows so much.
20:02 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #3468 [ http://tinyurl.com/y2z5vuf3 ]
20:04 <PrincessRainbows> I have to wonder how before I could stand my inability to draw straight lines. I don't think it was any better or will ever be
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20:20 * Angeline is mostly just Angeline.
20:22 <Alice> Gods dang, my hand.
20:24 * Schism coats Alice's hand in aloe vera gel. This comes with the disastrous consequence that she cannot then hold a pen.
20:26 <Alice> I still have more writing to do. Kanji practice. Of which I have a lot to do because I've forgotten how to write all the previous kanji I learned.
20:26 <Alice> As well as the readings.
20:26 <Alice> The meanings remain, but the readings do not.
20:42 <Alice> My method of writing has devolved to "quick and sloppy to save my hand."
21:22 * Schism looks at Dave's Gourmet. "...darnit. If they ship to the US, I'm doomed."
21:22 <Schism> er, to Canada*
21:22 <Alice> Whee, homework be done.
21:22 <Schism> Doomed in a good way, mind you, but at $10 a bottle of hot sauce, I might just fill my fridge.
21:25 <Schism> nope. Damnit.
21:28 <Alice> Now then, to do some backups.
21:29 <Alice> Installing this new drive's gonna be a pain in the arse.
21:32 <Alice> Right, that should pretty much do it for backups.
21:37 <Alice> Quick perusal reveals...
21:38 <Alice> I'll need to remove the graphics card, and one of the CPU fans to get to the NVMe drive.
21:38 <Alice> This is the only real issue with tower coolers.
21:39 <Alice> But first, food. I nearly forgot to eat again.
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21:46 <Vulpor> Hey everyone
21:46 <Vulpor> So, Microsoft went out and ummmm
21:46 <Vulpor> bought Western rpg's
21:47 <Vulpor> They bought Zenimax and Bethesda
21:48 <Lumindia> so I heard
21:48 <Lumindia> for quite a hefty sum from the sounds of it
21:49 <Lumindia> 7.5 BILLION dollars
21:50 <Vulpor> This has given me something to think about
21:50 <Alice> Well, uhm. Hmm. No wonder that heatsink wasn't doing anything. That's not thermal paste. It's foam.
21:50 <Lumindia> o.o
21:50 <Lumindia> oh dear
21:51 <Vulpor> While I do like my PS4 and all the games I have played on it the thought of never playing an elder scrolls game again............
21:51 <Lumindia> ... okay, so I know thermal paste is used in computer stuff... but what does it actually DO as opposed to a regular adhesive?
21:51 <Vulpor> My life for the Dragonfires
21:52 <Vulpor> I counted how many exclusive games Sony had this generation and played many of them
21:52 <Ali> Now Microsoft can It Just Works
21:52 <Alice> Basically, it acts as a thermal conductor.
21:53 <Vulpor> However Sony is still Sony and not very solid financially
21:53 <Alice> It also acts as a filler, because the gap between a component and heatsink is not a perfectly flat surface, so the thermal paste fills the void.
21:53 <Ali> They're still reeling from the PSP and Vita
21:53 <Vulpor> Microsoft doing this proves one thing They want to win
21:53 <Ali> First thing they should do
21:53 <Ali> Is patch freaking 4 and 76 so they're not utter garbage
21:54 <Vulpor> only on xbox though :P
21:54 <Vulpor> lol
21:54 <Ali> And PC
21:54 <Vulpor> Sorry sony peeps you chose poorly
21:55 <Vulpor> Also, i honestly miss Forza Mortorsport
21:55 <Ali> Racing games aren't controller friendly anymore
21:55 <Vulpor> They also now own 3 of PC's biggest names
21:55 <Vulpor> Doom Quake and Wolfenstien
21:56 <Vulpor> Forza for me was just fun
21:56 <Ali> I tried Forza
21:56 <Ali> Its ok, but god trigger based accelleration makes my fingers hurt.
21:56 <Vulpor> the rewind feature helped me a ton
21:57 <Vulpor> I am trying to think of what Sony could do now
21:57 <Vulpor> What franchise can Sony buy
21:58 <Vulpor> Also Microsoft rolled EA Access into game pass
21:58 <Ali> Really its getting dangerous if they get too much under their belt
21:58 <Ali> Cause Monopolies are bad for everyone
21:58 <Vulpor> if they give one call to Activision there goes COD
21:59 <Ali> CoD has been 'dead' for years now
21:59 * Vulpor is listening to elder scrolls music now
21:59 <Ali> Just like how Madden and Fifa have shot themselves so hard in the foot they might not recover.
21:59 <Vulpor> I cant let this franchise go it rejuvenated my love of gaming
22:00 <Vulpor> Oh I dont care about EA but somebody who love Madden can now gat it with game pass
22:01 <Ali> Vulpor, its trash
22:01 <Vulpor> Also Xbox Series S is going to be 299?
22:01 <Ali> Madden 21 is basically 19 AND 20 with a crappy paint job and the same if not worse bugs.
22:01 <Ali> This is what a monopoly can do
22:01 <Ali> They don't care about quality anymore, you have to buy it or no football game for you.
22:02 <Vulpor> Ali i am not a Madden fan just saying if someone was they can just go gamepass
22:02 <Vulpor> why pay 60 every year when I can just do game pass and get everything
22:03 <Vulpor> basically other then Activision and Ubisoft Microsoft game pass has more then enough content
22:06 <Alice> I forgot to grab the Windows 10 install image before swapping out the drive. At least the new drive can be seen.
22:08 * Alice orders proper thermal pads for heat sink.
22:40 <Vulpor> Wow, if you take Spider Man and Last of Us off the table..................
22:40 <Vulpor> What does Sony have?
22:40 <Vulpor> I'm looking at PS4 exclusive list
22:46 * Alice wobbles back and forth in an attempt to get Schism's attention. She wants to go to electrical, but doesn't want to be alone. o3o
22:46 <Lumindia> iunno, Schism is kinda sus
22:46 * Lumindia narrows eyes
22:47 * Alice is actually imposter.
22:47 * Alice shhhhhs.
22:47 <Lumindia> also Alice, would you say I should wait and hope to god I can snag a 3070, or just go for the 2060 Super now?
22:47 <Lumindia> or wait for the 3070 to drop anyway and hope the 2060 drops in pirice
22:47 <Lumindia> price*
22:47 <Alice> I legitimately have no freakish clue.
22:48 <Alice> I just know you're going to be waiting a while on the 3070. That said, it is a definite upgrade over the 2060, so I'd argue waiting for it, and just living with what you have now. Whatever it is, anyways.
22:48 <Lumindia> a GTX 950
22:48 <Stormspark> the 3070 is barely an upgrade over the 2080ti
22:48 <Stormspark> let alone the 2060
22:48 <Stormspark> I would not even consider a 2000 series GPU now unless it was $300 or less
22:49 <Lumindia> I mean, my new PC ain't being built with my money
22:49 <Lumindia> it's being built with government money
22:49 <Lumindia> >:3
22:49 <Stormspark> still though lol
22:49 <Alice> The biggest issue is if you want to go for a 3000 series, you're going to have to wait. Unless you want to pay $10000+.
22:49 <Lumindia> By which I mean I'm using my stimulus check to buy it
22:49 <Alice> And even with the 3000 series out, the 2000 series aren't coming down in price AT ALL.
22:49 <Stormspark> anyway, game pass can eat me...I wouldn't ever touch game pass with a 100 meter pole. And I don't care about consoles other than the Switch. Once I complete my upgrades next year my computer should be comfortably 4-5x the new consoles
22:50 <Stormspark> well it's still your money
22:50 <Stormspark> but yeah the two times discord gave out 3 months of game pass free, I gave it away both times...I don't want it even for free
22:50 <Lumindia> I mean, ANYTHING I get is going to be an upgrade over the 950 I have now
22:51 <Lumindia> when I got the 950, the 1080 was top of the line
22:51 <Stormspark> that's true but the 2000 series is a waste of money unless they are exceptionally cheap
22:51 <Alice> Indeed.
22:51 <Alice> And therein lies the problem. They aren't coming down in price.
22:52 <Alice> In fact, if anything, people are charging more than they were worth when they were brand new, despite having been used for years.
22:53 * Alice sneaks up behind Lumindia, and eats their head.
22:53 <Stormspark> I'm not planning on upgrading until next...late spring/early summer
22:53 <Lumindia> I mean, the build I have now fits perfectly within my budg-*is dead*
22:53 * Alice self-reports.
22:53 <Stormspark> giving Intel another year to get their butts in gear and get off of 10nm
22:54 <Stormspark> *14nm
22:54 <Alice> It was Stormspark! IT WAS STORMSPARK! I saw them kill Lumindia!
22:54 * Lumindia yells at them from beyond the grave that Alice is a FRICKIN' LIAR
22:54 <Stormspark> will decide between Intel and AMD at that time. And there might even be a 3080ti by then with more vram
22:54 <Lumindia> anyway, my budget is 1.2k
22:54 <Lumindia> since that's how big the stimulus check was
22:54 <Lumindia> though I'm willing to go to 1.3k if I need to
22:54 <Stormspark> I saved mine...I deliberately didn't spend any of it because I don't want to help the economy
22:54 <Stormspark> lol
22:55 <Lumindia> <s> Can I have it if you're not using it? :P </s>
22:56 <Stormspark> I will probably need 1500-1800 or more when I do my build next year
22:56 <Stormspark> although it depends on what's out and prices
22:56 <Lumindia> damn, that much?
22:57 <Stormspark> yeah I'm not screwing around, going with a PCI-e SSD, getting a better case, better fully modular PSU, i9 or AMD equivalent...probably keeping my current RAM
22:57 <Lumindia> https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tq2vHB is what I'm currently looking at now
22:57 <Stormspark> and at least a 3080, bare minimum
22:58 <Stormspark> yeah the only thing that sticks out is the GPU, that's a lot for what it offers
22:58 <Stormspark> I'm not a fan of mid tower cases but to each their own
22:58 <Lumindia> I mean, what would you recommend, GPU-wise?
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22:59 <Stormspark> get everything else, stick with your current GPU and try to get in on the ground floor with a 3070 preorder?
23:00 <Lumindia> so yank out the 950 I have now, stick it in the new case, and go from there?
23:00 <Stormspark> it's basically more than double the performance of what you're getting for $100 more
23:00 <Stormspark> yeah
23:00 <Stormspark> if the 2060 super were like $100-$200 I'd say sure that's reasonble for what you get, but for $400 it seems steep especially when the 3070 is a little bit faster than a 2080ti for only a little more
23:01 <Stormspark> it's not out until mid October but if you try to preorder there could be ac hance
23:01 <Stormspark> I did hear there were people panic selling 2080ti's for around $500 too, not sure how true that was
23:02 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: My Little Pony Cosplay Compilation #87 [ http://tinyurl.com/yyxu5ctr ]
23:02 <Stormspark> but yeah...keeping the current GPU for now would basically put $400 toward the $500 a 3070 will be
23:03 <Stormspark> just for the heck of it I'm gonna put in 3080 on ebay and see what I get
23:03 <Stormspark> lol
23:03 <Stormspark> oh god this is comical
23:03 <Stormspark> https://www.ebay.com/itm/RTX-3080-mini-3D-Printed-and-Painted-Replica/254725126050?hash=item3b4eccf7a2:g:DmcAAOSwb5xfaCot
23:04 <Stormspark> they aren't going for $10,000, they're going for 1.5-2x what they cost new though which is still stupid
23:04 <Stormspark> lots of scams too, people trying to sell literal pieces of paper for $500
23:05 <Alice> One person actually paid $70,000 for a 3080.
23:09 <Lumindia> I mean, I guess in the end I'm not too worried about going all out
23:09 <Lumindia> I don't have a 4k monitor
23:10 <Lumindia> so really, that extra power from the 3070 would be wasted
23:12 <Stormspark> don't need a 4k monitor to take advantage of it
23:12 <Stormspark> ray tracing is expensive hardware-wise
23:12 <Lumindia> honestly, this old monitor is the bottleneck
23:12 <Lumindia> old 60hz 1080ps
23:19 <Stormspark> I see no need to go above 1080 myself
23:23 <Alice> Hum. That's... a definite improvement over my old drive, that's for sure. Besides just capacity.
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23:32 <Stormspark> besides
23:32 <Stormspark> the only GPU that can reliably run 4k in everything is the 3090
23:32 <Stormspark> 4k is *hard* and takes a LOT of GPU power
23:32 <Stormspark> I mean yeah 3080 can do it in a lot of things but there are a lot of things it can't too
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23:33 <Stormspark> actually in that Quake 2 RTX thing I don't think even the 3090 can pull off 4k, although it might be able to. Granted that is a worst case scenario with a badly coded tech demo
23:34 <Stormspark> people don't realize that 4k is 4x the pixels of 1080p. And 8k is 4x the pixels of 4k. NOTHING can do 8k, it will be a decade or more before there's even a glimmer of that
23:34 <Stormspark> one time Digital Foundry managed 8k just barely in a pretty old game by running 3x2080ti in SLI
23:35 <Stormspark> 8k is equivalent to running 16 1080p monitors at once
23:35 <Stormspark> maybe if you could run 5 or 6 3090's in SLI lol
23:38 <Stormspark> anything with ray tracing would need that
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23:42 <Alice> Honestly, I'm inclined to believe 8k would be a waste at the current screen sizes.
23:42 <Alice> There's a point when the density of the screen gets so great that you probably wouldn't notice a difference.
23:43 <Alice> And if you do, you're probably too close to the screen.
23:45 * Angeline hits Factorio some more.
23:46 * Ali sits on Angeline and is about to blow up her steam engines
23:47 <Ali> 14M iron and 4M coal is about to fire up! I expect the steam engines WILL NOT be able to handle that power draw.
23:57 <Angeline> Wow
23:57 <Angeline> Get some more up
23:57 <Angeline> also
23:57 <Angeline> Play together?
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