00:00 <Fluttershy> Hi everybody!
00:01 <Schism> Cepheid: eh. Nocturne is in the main room of the apartment. I COULD bring her into my room, but I'd have to move the work box into the main part, and that would be counterproductive if anything loud (like cooking) is going on.
00:02 <Fluttershy> Huh?
00:02 <Schism> Also hi.
00:03 <Schism> Fluttershy, Nocturne! Like Adagio, but not smol.
00:04 <Fluttershy> Still, who's Nocturn?
00:04 * Ali flops over Schism bug.
00:04 <Schism> One of my girls. o3o Nocturne, Adagio, Pizzicato, Fugue...
00:04 * Schism names her computers.
00:05 * Schism also snugs the Ali, and offers an energy drink.
00:05 <Fluttershy> Oh. You crazy if you named you electronics.
00:05 <Cepheid> ...
00:05 <Cepheid> It's pretty typical among computer users, actually.
00:06 <Schism> Indeed; I'm crazy, but that's not _why_.
00:06 * Ali doesn't do energy drinks.
00:06 <Ali> Last time I had one many many many years ago
00:06 <Ali> I drove myself nuts
00:06 <Fluttershy> The only electronic I've named is my switch, and I named it Breath of the Wild.
00:07 <Schism> Ali: I, um. might regularly have two or more per day.
00:07 <Cepheid> Especially if you have multiple machines connected to a network, and want to use easy-to-remember names rather than a 4-number identifier(IPv4) or 6-hexadecimal-number identifier(IPv6).
00:07 <Ali> I can't touch the stuff, I vowed them off before they became popular
00:07 <Cepheid> Geezus hells alive Schism how are you still alive?
00:08 <Ali> I had this thing called a Jolt about 15 years ago, maybe longer
00:08 <Cepheid> I can't drink more than one cup of coffee or one energy drink per day. Doing so causes a variety of problems.
00:08 <Schism> Cepheid: via copious energy drinks. On Cyber Monday I went through four of them.
00:08 <Ali> Sent me up the wall so hard I wouldn't shut up
00:08 <Ali> That and ten minutes felt like hours
00:08 <Cepheid> From aggression, irritability, to feeling my heart pounding in my ears.
00:08 <Schism> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKghH10WTB4 < Ali, like this?
00:08 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
00:08 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Strong Bad Email #91 - Caffeine
00:08 <Fluttershy> Ok, did anyone else watch Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children last night?
00:11 <Fluttershy> Anyone?
00:12 <Schism> Nopers. Wasn't interested in it when it came out the first time, either.
00:12 <Cepheid> Interesting question, especially for Finwe to consider: We have over 7 billion people on the planet. If we placed each person exactly 6 feet apart from one another, how large of a surface for everyone to stand on would be required?
00:13 <Cepheid> Assume 7 billion people for the calculation.
00:13 <Cepheid> Though, I just realized using a square grid setup, that the question is easy to answer.
00:14 <Schism> 3,902 square kilometers, assuming square.
00:14 <Fluttershy> NOPE!!! the answr is 42 billion
00:15 <Fluttershy> 42 billion feet.
00:16 <Cepheid> If you take the square root of 7 billion, you get 83666.003, let's round up so that we don't have a fractional human in the result. This means, assuming a perfect square, then there are 83667 rows of 83667 people.
00:17 <Cepheid> Multiply one axis by 1.8288 meters. We get 153010.2096 meters for a single row or column.
00:18 * Fluttershy faint
00:18 <Cepheid> 153 kilometers, thereabouts. Square that... 23,409 square kilometers.
00:19 <Cepheid> I'm pretty sure Finwe will point out a flaw in my math somewhere.
00:19 <Cepheid> Also, I expect him to try and solve the answer in some sort of ridiculous manner, like in terms of a klein bottle, or a Calabi-Yau manifold.
00:20 <Cepheid> "How can you be so terrible at math and know what those are?"
00:20 <Schism> How did I get... hmmm.
00:20 <Schism> Ah, I see.
00:21 * Schism got precisely 1/6th of Cephy's amount.
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00:21 <Cepheid> You converted incorrectly.
00:21 <Cepheid> Or, forgot to scale, rather.
00:22 <ADragonDreaming> !log
00:22 <Unixkitty> https://unixkitty.com/logs/EquestriaDaily/latest.log.html
00:23 <Schism> "In retrospect, that griffin was probably noteworthy."
00:24 * ADragonDreaming griffins a peter.
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00:26 * Cepheid researches manifolds.
00:27 <Cepheid> Wikipedia really likes to use fancy words, doesn't it?
00:28 <Cepheid> "Formally, a (topological) manifold is a second countable Hausdorff space that is locally homeomorphic to Euclidean space."
00:28 <Cepheid> That... is utterly useless without context in higher math.
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00:29 <Cepheid> I sense trouble.
00:29 <ADragonDreaming> And make it double?
00:29 <Cepheid> Not in that form, no.
00:29 <Cepheid> In the form of annoying RP.
00:32 <Sephiroth> Oh flip.
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00:36 * Ali sniffs something fishy going on
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00:36 <Cepheid> Okay.
00:36 <Cepheid> That's gonna get annoying and tiring very fast.
00:37 <Kaylynn> What the-?
00:37 *** Ali sets mode: +i
00:37 <Kaylynn> Where'd they come from?!?!
00:37 <RichardMist> Wow, more that 5 new ponies?
00:37 <Ali> I smell bot swarm and I don't like it
00:37 <RichardMist> Hmm......
00:38 <Ali> So until then, this channel is locked down
00:38 <Cepheid> It's Kaylynn/Fluttershy. She's got a bunch of clients all connected.
00:38 <Cepheid> They're all the same damned person.
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00:38 <Ali> Yeah I can start to see they're all from one client, thus the mode change right now
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00:38 <RichardMist> Yeah, no anti-bot system, so yep, that's clever as a suggestion
00:39 <Ali> So please get rid of all the clones
00:39 *** Ali sets mode: -i
00:39 * Finwe noms on Ali's tail.
00:39 * Ali squeaks
00:40 * RichardMist *patpats Ali*
00:42 * Ali eyetwitches at the two clones remaining.
00:43 <Cepheid> Kaylynn, please disconnect the Cloud_Strife and Sephiroth clones. I know it's you, there are ways to check, so do not try to feign ignorance.
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00:44 <Cepheid> Thank you.
00:47 <Cepheid> Why does it hurt to breathe? Why does it feel like someone's applied a rasp to my trachea?
00:48 <Kaylynn> bye!
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00:49 <RichardMist> Cepheid, really, hurt to breathe?!
00:51 <Cepheid> It's not super-painful, but it feels like it's dry and itchy in my chest, and when I breathe, it feels like there is something scratching lightly but painfully along the trachea.
00:59 <Finwe> Cepheid: Everyone 6 feet apart from each other?
00:59 <Cepheid> Yes, because of social distancing rules and such.
01:00 <Finwe> Meaning that given any two people, the distance between them is exactly six feet?
01:00 <Cepheid> Yes.
01:00 * Schism boils some water. Waits for it to cool down to 191 before making green tea with it.
01:00 <Cepheid> ADragonDreaming, random, off-topic request. You've heard my voice a lot, so you can confirm something that I am unable to definitively confirm, myself.
01:01 <Finwe> With just two people it's easy, you put the in the end points of a six-foot line.
01:01 <Cepheid> Do you find that my voice has two, distinct levels to it? When I listen to my voice as I speak, I notice that I have two particularly distinct levels, based on how it feels when I speak in my chest and throat.
01:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Say Something Nice About GILDA [ https://tinyurl.com/y897ruta ]
01:01 <Cepheid> A low, deep voice, and a higher-pitched voice.
01:02 <Cepheid> The two are quite distinct to me, sensation-wise. More rumbling in my chest when I use the lower voice. Almost non-existent when using the higher voice.
01:02 <Finwe> With three people you put them in the verices of an equilateral triangle.
01:02 <Finwe> *vertices
01:02 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
01:03 <Schism> I do have those two modes of speaking. The deeper register, though, is for my phone voice, or when I'm quoting something.
01:03 <Cepheid> Strange I didn't think of it that way at first, given I've been dealing with triangles as of late.
01:03 <Finwe> With four people, you need to put them in the vertices of a tetrahedron.
01:04 <Finwe> With five people, I think you need more dimensions than just three.
01:04 <Cepheid> Schism: In my case, it goes back and forth I find. Deeper voice typically for when I'm talking to myself, or giving simple answers or statements to questions asked of me. Meanwhile, the higher pitch is typically noticed in long conversations, or when I'm full of energy.
01:07 <Cepheid> Finwe: Yes, but I forgot to include a few details in the initial question, that I followed up with. Let's assume that N = 7,000,000,000, and that we are placing them on a single, flat plane. Obviously, the points-on-a-line case is trivial, as is potentially the points-on-a-square-grid case. Triangle, less so, I think.
01:07 <Finwe> But you said that the distance between any two should be six feet.
01:07 <Cepheid> Any two people in the 7 billion people.
01:08 <Finwe> If you just put them along a line then there are guaranteed to be pairs with distance greater than six feet.
01:08 <Cepheid> ... Oh, right, now I see the issue with what I said.
01:08 <Finwe> At least six feet?
01:08 <Cepheid> Okay, let's change the constraint. At least six feet.
01:09 * Schism considers what she wants for dinner. "Could make French toast."
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01:09 <Schism> o3o With apricot jam and bacon.
01:09 * Schism ahems.
01:09 <Cepheid> Not a clone, this time.
01:09 <Cepheid> In the IRC sense anyways.
01:10 <Finwe> Euclidean distance or distance measured along the roughly spherical surface of the earth?
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01:11 <Cepheid> Euclidean distance. The plane we are placing the people on is flat. It's a question of how much area would be covered by 7 billion people distanced at least 6 feet from one another in various configurations, such as a square grid, triangle grid, etc.
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01:11 <Cepheid> I'm thinking a triangle grid would achieve the greatest density.
01:13 <Finwe> So, given the constraint that everyone must be at least 6 feet away from anyone else, find the minimal planar surface than can house 7 billion people.
01:13 <Cepheid> Yes.
01:13 <Schism> Here we go again. Clones...
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01:15 <Schism> :>
01:15 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCaS3NPh_UE&feature=emb_title Schism, since you like dual blades]
01:17 <Finwe> Cepheid: You just draw circles of radius 3 around everyone and then pack them so that the circles do not intersect.
01:17 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
01:17 <Cepheid> That's what I was thinking, yes.
01:17 <Finwe> That does indeed result in a triangular lattice.
01:17 <Schism> I do indeed like those dual blades.
01:18 <Cepheid> And thanks to the nature of triangles, equilateral triangles at that, the points in that lattice will be as densely packed as possible.
01:18 <Ali> Too bad that Z line is short
01:19 <Finwe> I think it's called hexagonal packing.
01:20 <Finwe> "In two dimensional Euclidean space, Joseph Louis Lagrange proved in 1773 that the highest-density lattice arrangement of circles is the hexagonal packing arrangement".
01:21 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
01:21 <Schism> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48sCx-wBs34
01:22 <Finwe> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Fundamental_Circle_Packings_%28Better%29.png
01:23 * Schism has four cards. Two are marked 3 and 8, and are face-up, while the other two are face-down, and red and black. The supposed rule is that an even number is always red on the other side. o3o
01:23 <Cepheid> Mmm.
01:25 <Cepheid> Why does "Triangular" have a hexagon next to it's name, while "Hexagonal" has a triangle next to it's name?
01:25 <Finwe> Note that triangular and hexagonal have swapped places in the picture.
01:26 * Schism adds some broccoli to this spicy ramen.
01:26 <Finwe> The first row should be Hexagonal, Square, Triangular, Elongated Triangular.
01:30 <Cepheid> I have to admit I am kind of curious as to how exactly hexagonal placement beats triangular placement. I suspect it has to do with my interpretation of the above quote regarding hexagonal placement.
01:37 <Cepheid> See, from my perspective, when you construct an N-by-M triangular lattice/grid/etc/whatever-the-hell-it-is-called, I don't see hexagons. I simply see the triangles. It isn't until hexagons are mentioned that I'll see the hexagons in the structure.
01:37 <Cepheid> Since any circular N-gon can be decomposed into triangles.
01:39 <Cepheid> I'm starting to think that everything I do relating to math is "done the wrong way" and yet despite that, I somehow get the correct results. And by "done the wrong way" I mean stuff like, doing certain things out of order, explaining through words rather than numbers or formulas, and the like.
01:47 <PinkieShy> ... :/
01:47 <PinkieShy> Hackers just ruined werewolf forcing everyone to get stuck in one spot
02:00 <Cepheid> I have legitimately no idea how the university plans to e-proctor final exams.
02:01 <Cepheid> The last time they tried with Big Blue Button, it crashed under the load of trying to e-proctor just 30 students, and they're using that again this time around, and because exams include students from all course sections, that means 100+ students this time around.
02:07 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/HnwrQ6K
02:16 <Cepheid> Working under the logic that my sister, being smaller and weighing less than me, who takes 125mg of seroquel a night, and is okay despite that, I decided that since I was not yet out, that I would take one more 25mg tablet. Despite being bigger and weighing more, that may have been a mistake.
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02:41 <Schism> Snrk. https://www.etsy.com/listing/818792922/skyrim-hey-you-youre-finally-awake-mug?ref=shop_home_feat_1&bes=1
02:53 <Cepheid> It occurs to me that every Elder Scrolls game I've played has started in a manner implying that the player was asleep.
02:54 <Cepheid> Oblivion's the odd-one out though, if I recall.
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03:03 <ADragonDreaming> I don't know about 1 and 2, but Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim all start with the player character as a prisoner
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03:10 <Cepheid> Morrowind started with the player implied to be asleep. Jiub even mentions being asleep. Skyrim implies that too, but is probably closer to "knocked out." Oblivion, not so much. Arena, you start in a cell, but it is implied you were asleep.
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03:51 <Ali> And how did they get Pattrick Stewart to play the role of king, I'll never know
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07:44 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
07:57 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift, Kapt Koopz.
07:57 <Finwe> o7
07:58 <Finwe> Mlles Ali, Cepheid and Schism, Mr PinkieShy.
07:58 * Finwe doffs his hat.
07:58 * Ali grabs ConfusionRift and Finwe for snuggles
07:58 * Finwe hugs an Ali.
08:00 * ConfusionRift snugs Ali.
08:00 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
08:09 <Koopz> RAdm. Finwe o7
08:36 * PinkieShy hugs Finwe all derpy like
08:36 <Finwe> :3
08:36 <Finwe> Hugtiem?
08:36 * Finwe snuggles PinkieShy.
08:36 <PinkieShy> !hug
08:36 <PinkieShy> Eeek the bot doesn't have that no more? :(
08:37 <Finwe> It does.
08:37 <Finwe> DerpyBot just isn't here at the moment.
08:37 <PinkieShy> oh xD
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08:40 <Finwe> She was last seen over seven hours ago.
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09:04 * ConfusionRift checks his 1500 lumen flashlight. "I wonder how bright it is." Turns it on. "So this is what 1500 lumens looks like." And accidentally engages strobe mode. "Aaaah! Bad bad baaaaad!!!" Can't see!
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09:42 <DerpyBot> *derp*
09:43 * Ali puts Finwe on DerpyBot
09:51 <ConfusionRift> Derpeeeeeh!
10:06 * Golden flops.
10:10 * ConfusionRift is unsure what to do now... despite being his day off, and having burned a few days not doing much.
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10:16 * Golden has been spending the days either playing Cyberpunk on his PS4, Playing Sly on PS3, his dailies for acnh, watching hulu, or youtube.
10:30 <ConfusionRift> Hmmm, I could jump back to Starbound, get mad at the new breakages, and find new generation errors. Or maybe jump to a game I haven't played in a long time. or at all.
10:30 <ConfusionRift> Haven't played ACNH in some time now.
10:31 * ConfusionRift wonders if his village is now just a forest or a wasteland with villagers eliminating each other in hope he will reappear, so they can be graced again with the goods of wood and such, or maybe so they can kill the major and leave the island once and for all.
10:34 <ConfusionRift> *food, not wood. Surely the trees are still there, somehow.
10:47 <Lumindia> Confusion you derp
10:47 * Lumindia boop
10:47 * ConfusionRift reboops Lumindia.
10:47 <ConfusionRift> :P
10:57 <Golden> ._. That is some fallout level of island survival Confusion
10:57 <ConfusionRift> That's like a reference to so many survival movies and series. :P
11:02 <Golden> I should sleep. It's past four am for me.
11:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #2145 [ https://tinyurl.com/yba8r4n5 ]
11:28 <Finwe> o3o
11:28 <Finwe> !seen DerpyBot
11:28 <DerpyBot> Look into my eyes.. 6_9
11:28 * DerpyBot puts her front hooves on Finwe's shoulders.
11:28 <Finwe> 6.9
11:28 * Finwe feels all derpy.
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13:20 * Cepheid awakens.
13:20 <Cepheid> I am not prepared at all for the test today, but then again, I'm not stressed out about it either.
13:21 <ConfusionRift> 0_0
13:24 <Cepheid> ... Oh, hey. Rise is getting monsters from World.
13:24 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/monsterhunter/status/1338725476718809088 That there is a Pukei-Pukei.
13:26 <ConfusionRift> Yeah, it seems they're adding things from the old world, the new one, and some brand new stuff specifically for this game.
13:26 * ConfusionRift spots the error... and doesn't get why that's happening.
13:26 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
13:27 <Cepheid> What error?
13:27 <ConfusionRift> Apparently, Starbound's been ejecting me on occasions because of a missing dungeon. Thought it was a mod, but no. this is a vanilla dungeon that is just not there.
13:28 <Cepheid> That's... odd.
13:28 <Cepheid> Spitfire. Enough, I just woke up, please, leave me- *Cat climbs onto arm and starts kneading.* ...
13:29 <ConfusionRift> Unless it's calling an old dungeon from a previous version, considering the Steam one here is newer than the one I used back in the backer days.
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13:31 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/VpbNZGW.jpeg
13:32 <ConfusionRift> Pfffttt!
13:33 <Finwe> Lt Cdr PffftttRift.
13:33 <Finwe> o7
13:33 <Finwe> Or ConfusionPfffttt?
13:35 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/u5KQOYZ
13:38 <Cepheid> Okay, so I know it's read a certain way and as a result, has a given, set meaning in a dictionary, but the Japanese kanji for "long sword" makes me giggle a bit.
13:40 <Cepheid> 太刀. tachi. Now, the reason this is funny to me is because 太 is the kanji for "fat." It also means "grand; magnificent; excellent." Meanwhile, 刀 is the kanji for "knife; saber; sword."
13:40 <Cepheid> So, if you translated it by the meaning of the kanji, it becomes either "fat sword" or "grand sword".
13:41 <Cepheid> Also, I need to run now, my exam is in 20 minutes.
13:41 <Cepheid> Need to get all ready, etc.
13:41 <ConfusionRift> Or fat knife. :P
13:41 <ConfusionRift> Ah, okaday.
13:41 <ConfusionRift> Hmm, is there a way to tell the game to jump to another asset if the previous is missing? Hmmmmm.
13:44 <ConfusionRift> Oh, I take it back. That asset is still there. It's just having issues deploying it... but I don't get what the issue is. (scratches head) Hmmm.
13:45 <ConfusionRift> I think I found it.
13:45 <ConfusionRift> "Caused by: (TreasureException) Unknown treasure pool 'raregun'."
13:47 <Cepheid> I legitimately still do not understand how e-proctoring is going to work. Their last attempt to work with it broke down after 30 students showed up. This time, it's going to be over 100.
13:48 * ConfusionRift shrugs.
13:49 <ConfusionRift> Someone really wants this to work, or expects it to. Then again, education system.
13:49 <ConfusionRift> They'll shove what they think it's best, even when everyone knows it's gonna break.
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13:52 <Cepheid> Ah, they have people who know what the hell they're doing this time.
13:52 <Cepheid> Anyways, back later.
13:52 <Cepheid> Gotta close all external apps.
13:52 <ConfusionRift> Okaday.
13:55 * ConfusionRift forces the game to re-download the assets. "Let's see..."
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14:09 <ConfusionRift> That didn't resolve the issue. Oh well, I should rest. Laters!
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14:19 <RazorSharpFang> Hey heys
14:23 <Cyan_Spark> Razor the investor
14:24 <RazorSharpFang> Heys
14:28 <RazorSharpFang> All of my securities are up today, except for First Solar (FSLR)
14:29 <Cyan_Spark> Market looks pretty red
14:30 <RazorSharpFang> How is the market looking red?
14:30 <Cyan_Spark> Well, was pretty red premarket
14:30 <RazorSharpFang> Which securities? All of the ones I'm watching are up except one.
14:30 <Cyan_Spark> First Solar still going down, huh
14:30 <Cyan_Spark> Oh wow Apple's up
14:31 <Cyan_Spark> Gold shot up relative to yesterday
14:31 <RazorSharpFang> Tesla's almost touching 650 today
14:32 <Cyan_Spark> I'm about to learn a very important lesson about holding on to a sinking ship
14:32 <Cyan_Spark> Maybe
14:32 <RazorSharpFang> Oh? What's your ship?
14:33 <Cyan_Spark> I wonder if I should open new plays
14:33 <Cyan_Spark> I'm currently... 40% cash?
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14:48 * Finwe noms on Cyan_Spark's hedge funds.
14:48 <Cyan_Spark> X3
14:49 <RazorSharpFang> A hedge fund is something really specific. Takes a lot of effort to do them properly.
14:51 <Finwe> I kind of know, I've taken Financial Engineering I and II.
14:53 <RazorSharpFang> Ah. Mostly I see people throwing around the term without knowing what it means.
14:58 <Cepheid> Right.
14:58 <Cepheid> That was faster than expected, especially given the circumstances.
14:58 <Cepheid> 90 multiple choice questions, most true/false type.
14:59 <Cepheid> Buuuuuut the problem with it was that immediately after the exam opened up for students to start doing it, the servers hosting the exam crashed.
15:00 <Finwe> :D
15:00 <Finwe> That's quite usual.
15:01 <Cepheid> Less so than say, an MMO or online-only game at launch day.
15:01 <Cepheid> In that situation, the number of logins per second expected is... hard to properly calculate.
15:02 <Cepheid> But a university network, with thousands of students logged in on a daily basis, WITH an expected, explicit upper limit per day, that's a different scenario.
15:02 <Cepheid> But, given our IT department is employed mostly by students..
15:07 * Cyan_Spark is done being distracted by movie, pulls up stock charts
15:07 <Cepheid> Hum, the documentation for the shading rate image extension is a bit... weird to read.
15:09 <Cepheid> "By default, Vulkan will spawn one fragment shader for each pixel covered by a primitive." Then later, we get "Some portions of the screen may be configured to spawn up to 16 fragment shaders for each pixel, while other portions may use a single fragment shader for a 4x4 block of pixels."
15:10 <Cepheid> Does the latter sentence mean that a block of 4x4 pixels can have 16 fragment shaders spawned for it, one for each pixel in that 4x4 block? Or does it legitimately mean all 16 fragment shaders will be assigned to 1 pixel? The latter makes no sense in a computational sense, which means it's probably the former, but it's worded confusingly.
15:10 <Finwe> It could have as many as 16 x 16.
15:11 <Cepheid> I know.
15:11 <Cepheid> It's just the wording of how it's specified is unusual.
15:15 <Cepheid> As for why more than 1 fragment shader per pixel makes no sense, it's because the fragment shader specifies the output to the image buffer. If you execute 16 fragment shaders for one pixel, there's a chance they'll all output different values to the buffer, which will just overwrite one another, in random order unless synchronization is involved. And even then, it's a waste.
15:16 <Cepheid> There is one case I can think of where that doesn't apply, though.
15:18 <Cepheid> Where you use say, 15 out of 16 fragment shader invocations to perform different calculations for that one pixel, then write their data out to a shader-global buffer. Then that last invocation, combined with synchronization of all the other invocations, makes use of the calculated data in that buffer to calculate a final value and push it out.
15:20 <Cepheid> Also, if anyone's wondering what the use case is for such an extension, it's primary use case is in eye tracking and VR. Human eye, combined with the human brain, is a bit funky when it comes to processing image data, such that as you render further and further from the point the eye is focused on, you can use lower and lower resolution, and the user won't notice.
15:21 <Cepheid> By reducing the resolution in this manner, you can improve performance, as fewer and fewer shader invocations are needed as you render outwards from where the eye is looking.
15:21 <Cepheid> Which helps stuff like VR, which requires high-frequency refresh rates to work well. 60Hz simply isn't enough. And increasing the refresh rate means requiring more power.
15:23 <Cepheid> What makes the problem of VR worse is that you also have to render the scene twice.
15:23 <Cepheid> Arguably, it's the one area where I can see technologies like SLI being beneficial.
15:23 <Cepheid> Unify the GPU memory, then have each GPU render one eye, from different perspectives.
15:28 <Cepheid> There's a few issues I can see in the setup still, but using one GPU for each eye would definitely fare better than AFR, or rendering a fraction of a screen.
15:30 <Cepheid> Biggest issue being that it's costly as hell.
15:48 <Cepheid> $1,319 CAD for the Valve Index. I don't trust Occulus given it's association with Facebook. HTC, not sure. Any other manufacturers, noooo idea.
15:50 <Cepheid> $1,399 for the HTC Vive Cosmos Elite package.
15:53 <Cepheid> And then, dual-GPU setup is also expensive. For a pair of modern, high-end GPUs, you're looking at nearly $2,000. For the highest-end, maybe $3000-$4000.
16:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Trixie Music: MirroredReality - Magic [House] [ https://tinyurl.com/ya3nnv9l ]
16:15 <Cepheid> Huh. I forgot Microsoft did that. They open-sourced their HLSL compiler.
16:16 <Cepheid> Only catch is it's for shader model 6.0 and beyond, so..
16:18 <Cepheid> Which means DX12 minimum.
16:21 *** ^-^ is now known as Wolfie
16:22 <Cepheid> Microsoft, why do you do this? You have HLSL versions labeled as 6.0, 6.1, etc, etc, etc.
16:22 <Cepheid> So why the hell do you label your versions as HLSL <year> in your compiler documentation instead?
16:26 <Cepheid> Hum. Microsoft's open-source compiler supports HLSL->SPIR-V.
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16:29 * Cepheid reads the HLSL to SPIR-V feature mapping manual. Interesting reading.
16:33 <RazorSharpFang> Good night Cepheid *waves*
16:33 <Cepheid> G'night. Sleep well.
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16:55 <Cepheid> Oh my gods mom, could you please, PLEASE stop talking to me about random stuff every 30 seconds?
16:55 <Cepheid> I'm trying to read. o3o
17:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Open My Little Pony Art Compilation (All Skill Levels Welcome) #71 [ https://tinyurl.com/y9pxzrkl ]
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17:29 <Cepheid> Bleh. I'm feeling kind of hot and need to lay down. Thermometer says I'm 98.5. Normal range for me is 97.3 to 97.5.
18:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Fanfiction Updates - December 15th [ https://tinyurl.com/ybh9nvl8 ]
18:09 *** Wolfie is now known as LunaOfTheMoonLight
18:15 * Schism goes completely round the twist. "READ people. if you're ordering online in the Christmas season, don't get upset at us when the product isn't going to arrive on time."
18:15 * Schism screams, and goes out for a walk.
18:22 <Cepheid> Schism, why are you surprised these things happen? You see examples of people constantly tweeting, blogging and the like, saying that "if you don't order by x day, you won't get it for y day."
18:22 <Cepheid> Obviously, this implies the existence of people who do not grasp this concept, and have to explicitly be told this.
18:23 <Cepheid> And people who may even abuse the concept through arcane arguments to get free shipping or cost.
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18:49 *** ChanServ sets mode: +qo Ali Ali
18:53 <Cepheid> "Hit ALT+F4", the joke that only works on two types of people: Gamers who, up to that point, have spent their time gaming on consoles, or people who are new to computing, and starting their gaming career on a PC/laptop/etc.
19:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: 3D Pony Art Gallery #84 [ https://tinyurl.com/y7bu9knk ]
19:07 <Ali> The good old alt f4 to continue joke
19:08 <Cepheid> My parents have given a name to the beetle they saved the other night.
19:08 <Cepheid> They named it Ringo.
19:09 <Schism> Hah.
19:12 <Cepheid> It's apparently still alive, and they're surprised.
19:13 <Cepheid> When they found it, it was sluggish and barely moving, as if either starving, or near the low end of the temperature survival range for it.
19:13 <Cepheid> Must be finding plenty to nom on in the plant they put it in.
19:23 <Cepheid> A large boulder the size of a small boulder is blocking the east-bound lane of Highway 145.
19:24 <Cepheid> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u-ObkiHekw ... That's one hell of a water bucket use to save yourself.
19:24 <Cepheid> And she's so calm and casual about it, too. No freaking out.
19:25 <Cepheid> But that may just be because she deliberately removed the block underneath. She knew what would happen, therefore, no shock or surprise.
19:29 * Ali nibbles on the Schism
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20:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Poll Results: Which Villain Should Return for Generation 5? [ https://tinyurl.com/y89d4hlg ]
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20:39 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0I3_R9vt68 Lumindia, for you.
20:39 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
20:39 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Hololive EN Amelia Parade
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21:09 * Dappled awakens once more.
21:16 * Ali flops over the Dappled pono
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21:27 * Dappled hugs the Ali pone. Good friend.
21:45 * Dappled decides to try to nap again.
22:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #3549 [ https://tinyurl.com/ybnnxywu ]
22:21 * Ali gives Dappled a shovel for the snow they're getting
22:32 * Cepheid takes the shovel, and builds a fortress with all the snow.
22:37 <ADragonDreaming> So my mom broke a bone in her foot today.
22:39 <Cepheid> ... Ow.
22:39 <Cepheid> Is she okay otherwise?
22:39 <Ali> Hopefully they don't write it off and wait about a month *eyes her own mother*
22:40 <Cepheid> My dad did something similar. Sort of.
22:40 <Cepheid> Dropped a massive roller onto his foot when he worked at the paper mill. Seemed to be okay. Few days later, their marriage anniversary, they went out dancing. While dancing... *Snap*
22:40 <Cepheid> He went ghost white and had to be dragged to the hospital afterwards.
22:41 <ADragonDreaming> Nah, they went to the urgent care when it became clear the injury wasn't getting any better the way a strain or sprain might, got it x-rayed. She's got a cast of some kind and crutches now.
22:41 <Ali> Well that's good they got it looked at quickly
22:42 <Cepheid> So, after my exam this morning, I thought it could go either way, 50/50.
22:42 <ADragonDreaming> Yeah, her dad was a surgeon, and her mom was a nurse, and my dad's a medical technologist, and she's health-conscious, so there's not any of that attitude in this family.
22:42 <Cepheid> I just checked the mark I got on it, since it's an online test and all.
22:43 <Cepheid> Guess what my mark was on the exam.
22:43 <ADragonDreaming> 94%?
22:43 <Cepheid> 50%.
22:43 <Cepheid> Exactly 50%.
22:43 <Ali> Ouch
22:43 <ADragonDreaming> Ah.
22:43 <Cepheid> No, no. This was expected.
22:43 <ADragonDreaming> It does depend on class average, too
22:44 <Cepheid> It's actually higher than I was expecting to get. The key point though was that I expected my chances of success/failure was 50-50.
22:44 <Cepheid> And I got it straight down the middle.
22:44 <Cepheid> I passed the exam requirements, as a result.
22:44 <ADragonDreaming> well done!
22:45 <Cepheid> So, most likely, despite the absolute train wreck of a semester, I likely passed the course, even though at this point I shouldn't have.
22:46 <Cepheid> I'm never doing it again. Not unless a different professor teaches it.
22:48 <Cepheid> I would rather just, kind of self-teach myself by reading the textbook again.
22:53 <ADragonDreaming> JFYI given my mom's lack of mobility I'm probably going to be spending more time down in the common areas to be available to help out.
22:54 <Schism> "Who wants overtime?" "I'm already working 10 hours tomorrow. It's been a week of unmitigated hell, and tomorrow's going to be even worse. Overtime is a trap. Why should I sign up for this?" "You get overtime pay and don't have to take calls, just do cases." "SOLD!"
22:56 <Cepheid> That's fine.
22:57 <Cepheid> <Future Schism> *Insert *****ing about work* <Future Rest Of Us> Pretty sure we told you to stop doing that.
22:57 <Cepheid> :P
22:58 <Ali> You know I might have to stop rolling small maps for Civ
22:58 <Schism> I still get to complain about the customers through the day. :P The last two hours, though, will be bliss.
22:58 <Ali> Cause when I tell it to make 'small island' maps
22:58 <Ali> They shove the AIs onto yours
22:58 <Schism> I mean, why yes I will happily accept $60 for just a bit of help in clearing up the case queue.
22:58 <Schism> Ali: They really do.
22:59 <Cepheid> Well, yes, Ali.
22:59 * Dappled sits on Ali's island.
22:59 * Ali snugs on Dappled and gives them snow shovel.
22:59 <Cepheid> The smaller the map, the less available land, the fewer balanced starting spots there are.
22:59 <Ali> OK getting snow, that's different
22:59 * Dappled whines. Not snow shoveling.
23:00 * Dappled sees that it is Tuesday. Stares at phone and waits for Wandering Inn to update.
23:01 <Cepheid> Hopefully the break wasn't as bad as my mother's case, ADragonDreaming. Granted, my mother technically broke her leg, just above the ankle, but it resulted in long therapy, surgery, and the like.
23:02 <ADragonDreaming> I believe it is a minor break.
23:02 <Ali> That's it, I'm going into world builder and try to find why this thing can't generate islands worth a stupid dang
23:03 <Schism> Dappled: you could always catch up on wildbow! o3o;
23:03 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/g0WYkrj Hey, Schism. Be lucky this isn't your job. o3o
23:03 * Ali noms on Dappled tail
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23:04 <Cepheid> ADragonDreaming: That's good, at least. Surgery, large cast, therapy, it all sucks from what I hear.
23:04 <Ali> Those nanners ain't worth it.
23:04 <Cepheid> Most I've ever had is broken hand, and the therapy I had to do was... Interesting for me.
23:05 <Schism> Worst I've had was when I sliced through three of my tendons with a broomstick.
23:05 <Ali> So an archipelligo by civ standards, is two large islands
23:05 <Cepheid> Basically, had to flex my hand a lot, and then try to spread out the fingers as far as possible. Burned and throbbed like hell, but was strangely therapeutic for me.
23:05 <Schism> Mmyup. Standard PT for something like that.
23:05 <Cepheid> Probably because of my habit of subjecting myself to physical pain when stressed.
23:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Hollow Shades 164 / Art Escapades / Lullaby 134 / Movie Slate: Hug [ https://tinyurl.com/ybqzu53r ]
23:07 * NitroTheFurryMonster hopes Cepheid dosent mean cutting
23:07 <Cepheid> No, nothing like that.
23:07 <Cepheid> I strike walls with adrenaline-fueled rage.
23:08 * NitroTheFurryMonster would be a punching bag if he could
23:08 <Cepheid> It's actually how I broke my hand in the first place.
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23:08 <Cepheid> I was stressed out due to cumulative loss of sleep over a 3 month period, then had to do a midterm exam, which I botched.
23:08 <Ali> Schism, get this
23:08 <Ali> Splintered Fractal
23:09 <Cepheid> So I go out to calmly sit down on a bench, and then the next thing I know, I punched the bench so hard I broke my hand. Boxer's fracture.
23:09 <Ali> Game tries to form 'thin snakey contenents'
23:09 <Ali> It had two large blobbed contenents
23:09 <Schism> Pfff.
23:09 <Cepheid> That's the problem with randomness.
23:09 <Ali> Civ 5's worldbuilder was not as dumb as this
23:09 <Schism> I'm just glad that Factorio lets you reroll before you start with a certain setting.
23:09 <Cepheid> Though they probably could have rewrote the script to better check for tendril-like setups.
23:10 <Ali> I want to get back to Factorio, but waiting on 1.1
23:10 <Cepheid> Technically 1.1 is out, it's just in experimental.
23:11 <Ali> Odd, why is sea level not an option.
23:11 <Cepheid> NitroTheFurryMonster: Worth noting, I can't bring myself to hit others, even in my rage.
23:11 <Cepheid> So your offers of being a punching bag won't do much for me.
23:11 <NitroTheFurryMonster> Oh :(
23:12 <Cepheid> If anything, getting me to hit someone would likely further make matters worse for me.
23:12 * Ali starts thinking of Bear Hugger from Punch Out Wii >.>
23:12 * NitroTheFurryMonster offers to tackle hug them and keep them their until their calmed
23:13 <Cepheid> A better approach would be "just lock me in a room you don't care about in regards to damage."
23:13 <Cepheid> Padded rooms are probably best.
23:13 <Ali> Cepheid has suffered a mental break: Tantrum The cause of this was low mood
23:13 * Ali shot for Rimworld reference
23:14 <NitroTheFurryMonster> But this way I have an excuse to hug you
23:14 * Cepheid throws a bed across the room.
23:14 <Ali> You're supposed to punch all the components and meds to death
23:14 <Cepheid> Heh.
23:14 <Ali> I've had that happen in Rimworld
23:14 <Cepheid> I'm more familiar with Dwarf Fortress tantrums.
23:14 <Ali> Guy goes on tantrem mental break
23:14 <Cepheid> Wherein they disassemble stuff, throw it around, etc.
23:14 <Ali> And goes and punches out all 30 of your opening meds
23:15 <Ali> Or your components
23:15 <Cepheid> Worst case scenario, they destroy the support holding up that giant, multi-level statue above them and get themselves killed.
23:15 <Ali> So refrigeration is screwed, or if meds, hope you don't get an infection.
23:15 <Cepheid> ... Or best case scenario. Depends on who you ask.
23:15 * Schism watches Cepheid whip a certain support structure and get crushed by said statue before she can escape.
23:15 <Dappled> Thinking of which.
23:16 * Dappled goes to check on the steam release of Dwarf Fortress.
23:17 * Cepheid wanders off to take asthma meds because dang she can't breathe very well right now.
23:19 <Schism> Heeee. https://www.reddit.com/r/MaliciousCompliance/comments/blse8x/the_master_of_malicious_compliance/
23:21 <Cepheid> Also, my cat seems to like this new blanket when combined with my comforter. To the point that he won't get off my danged lap if I try to move or anything now.
23:23 * Ali wants lap kitty, only got three assinine cats
23:23 * NitroTheFurryMonster also wants lap kitty
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23:24 <Cepheid> Not when it confines you to a couch or bed for 3 hours.
23:24 * NitroTheFurryMonster still does
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23:29 <RichardMist> Hoi everyponies!
23:29 * RichardMist *wavies*
23:30 * RichardMist *patpats Cepheid*
23:30 <RichardMist> Are you ok?
23:33 <Cepheid> Yep, fine.
23:33 <Cepheid> Just speaking of my cat and confining me to bed.
23:33 <Ali> Oh sweet irony
23:33 <Cepheid> I received a new weighted blanket recently, and my cat seems to like it.
23:33 <Ali> Playing on 8 player contenents map
23:33 <Ali> Get locked onto an island
23:33 <Ali> With tech shuffle
23:34 <Ali> So I have NO IDEA when I can get off this bloody thing
23:35 <Cepheid> Whelp. Time for a one-city run!
23:36 <Ali> I have tight space for ONE city
23:36 <Ali> In a crappy location, but I've gotta take it.
23:37 * Cepheid invades Island of Ali.
23:38 * Ali thinks Cepheid needs to find the shipbuilding tech first
23:38 * Cepheid swims.
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23:41 <Schism> Alisle.
23:43 <RichardMist> How are you Ali?
23:43 <Cepheid> Princess Ali Ababwa of the Isle of Ali.
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23:46 * Cepheid hiccups. Nearly vomits. "Ow."
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23:59 <Finwe> Good evening, my perissodactyls of minute stature.
23:59 <Finwe> Mlles Ali, Cepheid, DashedRainbows and Schism; Messrs NitroTheFurryMonster, RichardMist and PinkieShy.
23:59 * Finwe doffs his hat.
23:59 * Cepheid throws a weighted blanket onto Finwe.
23:59 <NitroTheFurryMonster> Hiya
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