Log archive of EquestriaDaily for Saturday, 2020-12-19

00:00 <Jackie_> Cepheid: Testing connection issues

00:00 <Jackie_> Like why it disconnects a

00:00 <Jackie_> abruptly as I have a stable connection

00:02 <Cepheid> If I had to guess?  Finicky routes.  Best way to resolve it is to pick a different server in the network, and explicitly connect to that server only.

00:02 <Finwe> Jackie_: That is not a thing in telnet.

00:03 <Finwe> The autotyping responses and such is the first step towards an IRC client application.

00:03 <Jackie_> I think I've seen that command line software

00:03 <Jackie_> at least in using bash

00:04 <Finwe> ircII is the most rudimentary client I've seen.

00:04 <Finwe> There are no separate windows for channels, all messages are shown in one window.

00:05 <Jackie_> It's still used today lol

00:05 <Cepheid> Honestly, if you're doing network programming for the first time, a simple IRC client is usually a good first goal to go towards.

00:05 <Cepheid> Just... test it with a server you're running at home.  Don't harass an existing network.

00:06 <Jackie_> Well there's not the simplest IRC server software

00:06 <Jackie_> Like it works out of the box

00:17 <Cepheid> Right, so, for R9 armor, augmenting allows 10 more upgrades.  This allows even low-rarity master rank armor to reach high-rarity levels of defense.  In fact, the Anja Alpha+, at max augmented upgrade, would exceed the strength of some of my R11 sets at current max upgrade.

00:17 <Cepheid> 190 per Anja piece versus 178 for the R12 armor I was comparing against.

00:18 <Cepheid> The catch?  Tempered Guiding Lands monsters hit like trucks.

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00:19 <Cepheid> Even Safi'jiva, outside of it's Sapphire of the Emperor attack didn't hit as hard.

00:24 <RichardMist> Hoy Cepheid, how is it goin' in Monsterr Hunter?

00:24 <Cepheid> Not bad.  We defeated Safi'jiva for the first few times last night.

00:25 <RichardMist> Oh, nice

00:26 <Cepheid> Safi'jiva is a special monster.  It works in a multi-phase setup that involves fighting it multiple times in order to straight up kill it.  It seems repetitive, and to some it may be, but it's fun, to me.

00:26 <RichardMist> Skills are growing as I see

00:27 <RichardMist> Wow, interesting...

00:28 <Cepheid> You get 20 minutes to weaken it as much as possible.  As you do so, it drains energy from the surroundings.  As it does so, it regenerates to full health, and moves to the next area.  If you don't kill it in 20 minutes, it runs away, but any energy drained remains drained.

00:28 <Cepheid> So, keep doing this over and over, and eventually you corner it, it has no energy left to regenerate with, and you can slay it.

00:29 <RichardMist> Great job

00:33 <Finwe> Quite unike here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1339404811364515840.html

00:33 <Finwe> Safety first, or not.

00:36 <Cepheid> Geezus hells alive.

00:38 <Cepheid> And the effects of radioactivity were discovered when, again?

00:39 <Finwe> *unlike

00:39 <PinkieShy> brohoof for anybody that wants one /)

00:39 <Finwe> (\

00:39 * Finwe snuggles PinkieShy.

00:41 <Schism> Cepheid... https://twitter.com/ksonney/status/1340093212032192513

00:42 <Cepheid> Heh.

00:43 * Ali flops over Schism as she's trying to get boiler2s if that even helps her power issues.

00:43 <Schism> They will help a lot.

00:43 <Schism> Though you still have to deal with their resultant output.

00:44 * RichardMist *does a quick friendly hug to PinkieShy*

00:44 <Ali> The problem I'm having is boilers are useless

00:44 <Ali> I can't make wood fast enough to keep one fed

00:44 <Ali> And the power demands on these buildings are too high to even think making more wind turbines is a smart idea

00:44 <Schism> A lot of the drag with Seablock is scaling up massively.

00:44 <Ali> Right now the issue is a lack of an early power source

00:45 <Ali> Burning wood is worthless, and wind costs too much in mats to be worth the little bump it would give.

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00:46 <Ali> There should be some sort of water based power that didn't need wood as a fuel

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00:47 <Ali> Or maybe lower the power costs of these buildings?  Cause with no materials to mine, boilers are kinda ineffective

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00:52 <Schism> I still say, it's all about scaling up.  Eventually you get into a net positive, especially once the higher-level techs come about.

00:52 <RichardMist> That are not used by humans...

00:53 <Ali> Yeah I get scaling up, just hard to scale up when you need to idle so hard.

00:54 <Ali> I can't run more than 4 electrilyzers else power starts crapping out and effectively makes the whole process slower.

00:56 * Finwe noms on Ali's production facilities.

00:59 <Schism> Ali: I'm afraid that a lot of Seablock is just letting it run in the background while you do something else, like read a book or paint the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.

01:00 <Schism> Once it gets going, though, you get into the micromanagement aspect _hard_, especially with regards to various materials and gasses.

01:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Say Something Nice About Cloudchaser [ https://tinyurl.com/y8ofzovx ]

01:03 <Ali> Eyetwitch

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01:04 <Ali> For a fuild burning boiler not only did I need boiler 2's

01:04 <Ali> It requires a boiler 2 and 100 more red bottles T.T

01:05 <Schism> Ali.  If it weren't all about trying to eke out as much as you can from limited resources, it wouldn't be Factorio.

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01:06 * Schism sighs, and decides to pay the local store a visit now that it's night and most folks aren't awake. "I think I might even pick up some energy drinks for tomorrow: I'm going to need them."

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01:07 <RichardMist> Do not overuse them

01:07 <Schism> I have been known to drink four energy drinks in a shift.  Caffeine doesn't affect me as it does most.

01:07 * Ali pat pats Schism

01:08 <Schism> As Cepheid was kind enough to put it, I have no clue how I'm even alive.

01:09 <RichardMist> Please take care of yourself

01:09 <Fluttershy> couldn't be worse than Link. He eats apples all day every day.

01:10 <RichardMist> Oh, that's good

01:10 <Schism> Worry not.  I'm not going to ignore the signs that I might be overindulging thereupon.  

01:10 <Fluttershy> That's all he ever thinks about.

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01:11 <RichardMist> oops, the crash

01:11 <Cepheid> I call dibs on all your computer equipment, Schism.

01:11 <Schism> I think I might, however, pick up some ice cream while I'm over there.  Strange as it sounds.

01:11 <Schism> Cepheid: I'll put you in my will, then.  :p

01:12 <Fluttershy> All right where are m ancient arrows!

01:12 <Cepheid> Still recall the story my mother told me.

01:12 <Cepheid> Mother and her kid show up to a place she's doing security work at.

01:12 <Ali> Schism, the boiler 2 seems to be more efficient than a boiler 1 and isn't burning thru wood pellets like water.

01:12 <Cepheid> Kid suddenly, at some point, collapses and needs medical attention.

01:12 <Cepheid> Cause?

01:12 <RichardMist> By the way hoi Fluttershy, nice to see you again

01:12 <Schism> Fluttershy, you get to start screaming about that once you've done anywhere near a _fraction_ of the OoT randomizer runs Ali has put herself through.

01:12 <Cepheid> He had stayed awake all evening the night before by drinking FIVE ENERGY DRINKS.

01:13 <Schism> Ali: As technology improves.  o3o

01:13 <Schism> Cepheid: I'm not a teenager, and I ... might limit myself to two.

01:14 <Finwe> Mivonks?

01:14 <Fluttershy> Where. Is. My. MATERIA?!?!?!

01:14 <Schism> Sorry, but you don't have any slots unlocked in your Bracer.

01:15 <Schism> Oh, you mean the stuff you already have.  Yuffie stole it.  She does that.

01:15 <Schism> Have fun just dealing with the attacks and limit breaks you haven't actually taken the time to unlock!

01:16 <SymphonyDawn3> Is Musescore a good software for learning Music Theory?

01:16 <Finwe> I don't think so.

01:16 <Fluttershy> Yup. And now I need to get my ancient arrows.

01:16 <Finwe> It's a good platform for writing music and playing it using midi instruments.

01:17 <RichardMist> Haven't checked similar apps for years

01:17 <Finwe> Or at least a platform.

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01:17 <Finwe> Lilypond does the same, and it does it better.

01:17 <Finwe> Mr Golden.

01:17 * Finwe doffs his hat.

01:17 <Schism> I've found FruityLoops to be quite nice, but perhaps that's because I like how Image-Line is still sticking to their 'You bought your software 20 years ago, your license is still good' thing.

01:18 <Golden> Hey

01:18 <SymphonyDawn3> What's a nice and liberal software for learning music theory?

01:18 * Fluttershy find ancient arrows

01:18 <Fluttershy> Got em'!

01:18 <RichardMist> Hoy Golden *wavies*

01:19 <Schism> Music theory, as opposed to playing music, is a tricky subject.  

01:19 <Fluttershy> Now I need to convince Zelda to lend me the bow of light.

01:19 <Golden> Heya

01:19 <RichardMist> How are you, Golden?

01:20 <SymphonyDawn3> Idk MT makes me more planned to compose music

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01:20 <Golden> A bit tired

01:20 <RichardMist> Welcome ADragonDreaming

01:21 <RichardMist> Okay

01:21 <Schism> SymphonyDawn3: If one were to begin a study of music theory, one has to understand how various groups created music based around their experiences and the tools they had at hand, and that becomes a question of anthropology.

01:21 * ADragonDreaming bangs a stick on a rock.

01:21 <Fluttershy> Hahaha! no, you need to know the laws of physics, space, and time.

01:22 <Finwe> SymphonyDawn3: http://www.lenmus.org/mws/noticias

01:22 <Finwe> I'd go for something like that.

01:22 * Schism smiles. "Precisely. Though I admit, I know comparatively little thereabouts."

01:22 <Finwe> It's open-source and free.

01:22 * ADragonDreaming bangs a rock on a stick.

01:22 <RichardMist> Thanks, Finwe, very useful

01:23 <Fluttershy> ADragonDreaming, you have the streangth of a goron!

01:24 <RichardMist> Latest versions for windows 10 only, meeh..

01:25 <Fluttershy> Did you know you can create you own channel?

01:25 <RichardMist> yus

01:25 <Fluttershy> I just now figured that out.

01:25 <Cepheid> ADragonDreaming, I'll understand if you don't want to hunt tonight.  You're tired. :P

01:25 <RichardMist> Noice, Fluttershy

01:25 <Finwe> Fluttershy: The metric tensor of the underlying Lorentzian manifold defines the laws of space and time. o3o

01:26 <Fluttershy> The channel I somehow created is called ffvii

01:26 <Finwe> Final Fantasy 7?

01:26 * ADragonDreaming bangs a Pukei-Pukei against a Deviljho

01:26 <RichardMist> Finwe, then determine the length of the universe

01:27 <Schism> Squall > Cloud

01:27 <Fluttershy> Nope. Reno > Cloud!

01:27 * Schism flees off to the store.

01:28 * Cepheid watches the Deviljho grab the Pukei-Pukei, slam it into the ground, drag it around, then repeatedly slam it into a wall like that crazy cat lady in Monty Python.

01:28 <Fluttershy> wait no. Zack > Cloud!

01:28 <RichardMist> (joking about length)

01:28 <Schism> Though nobody can beat Cloud-inna-dress.

01:28 <Fluttershy> Nope!

01:28 <Fluttershy> Funniest moment in ff!

01:29 <Fluttershy> Kadaj > Cloud

01:29 <Fluttershy> Cloud-inna-dress > Sephiroth

01:30 <Schism> That moment when Hojo puts Nanaki in the same room as Aerith and they're just confused is a close third, but the second funniest scene is if Cloud winds up on a date with Barrett.

01:30 <Fluttershy> Sephiroth was probably shocked big time!

01:31 <Schism> (That scene only happens very rarely.  The two girls go off to do their own things, and Cloud and Barett just shrug and go, 'uh.  Might as well?'

01:31 <Schism> )

01:31 <Finwe> !lullaby

01:31 <Fluttershy> I would get Yuffie.

01:31 <Schism> Sleep well, Finwe.

01:31 <Finwe> Not again.

01:31 <RichardMist> Finwe, good night

01:32 <RichardMist> have a nice dreams

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01:32 <Fluttershy> Yuffie was very good in AC, but she didn't really fight a whole lot.

01:32 <Finwe> :F

01:32 <RichardMist> Derpy crashed into the tree again...

01:33 <Schism> I always just frontloaded Tifa as Cloud's #1.  Frankly, she was a much better date than the dream girl selling flowers.  

01:33 <Finwe> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVifPpVq6SY

01:33 <Schism> One true ship, and all.

01:33 <Fluttershy> Me, I ship Kadaj and Yuffie.

01:34 <ADragonDreaming> Who is Kadaj?

01:35 <Fluttershy> And especially 🐦 and 🐟.

01:36 <Fluttershy> Kadaj is the one who turns into Sephiroth in AC

01:36 <Ali> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udAFbv6GPFM  Did you guys ever watch this before?

01:36 <ADragonDreaming> ...Oh. He didn't exactly make an impression on me.

01:37 <RichardMist> nope, Ali

01:37 <Golden> Same

01:37 <Golden> Kadaj seemed like a Sephiroth fan boy that turned into him.

01:38 <Fluttershy> yup. I was heartbroken when he died at the end of the movie.

01:39 <ADragonDreaming> What's the draw, though?

01:43 <ADragonDreaming> Ali: I feel like I watched that way back when it was on NewGrouns

01:43 <Ali> I do miss the extras

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01:54 <Ali> Schism, I feel like there's just a bit too much early game copper when it needs iron

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02:21 <Schism> There's probably something wrong with me.  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpkOyKaXUAAl5h-?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

02:21 <SymphonyDawn3> Rawr

02:21 <Ali> Why is there goldfish swimming in your strange drink?

02:22 <Schism> Because they go well with tomatoes and horseradish?

02:22 <Schism> And because the grocery store was out of oyster crackers.

02:33 * Ali drowns Schism in copper ore, cause its useless right now and she needs iron ore but has no way to easily get more.

02:36 <Schism> Isn't there a physical void you can use?

02:36 <Ali> I don't want to destory it

02:36 <Ali> I just want more iron ore and its all up to chance if you get it.

02:37 <Schism> Ali, you're siphoning resources from functionally nothing.  You can just get rid of any extraneous copper ore for now, it's not going to make a big difference in the end run.

02:37 <Ali> I'm storing it for now :P

02:38 <ADragonDreaming> minecraft?

02:38 <ADragonDreaming> or seablock?

02:38 <Ali> Seablock

02:38 <Ali> Its a bit overwhelming cause it tries to pull you five different directions, and you can't afford to do that due to power limits

02:41 <ADragonDreaming> indeed.

02:41 <ADragonDreaming> the grind is a bit... grindy for me.

02:41 <Ali> I wouldn't mind the grind if the power wasn't such a big pain

02:42 <Ali> Cause you could slap down more electrilyzers to make slag to turn into stone and all that

02:42 <Ali> But those things suck over 300kW of power each

02:42 <ADragonDreaming> yep

02:42 <Ali> And your power limit TOTAL is around 3MW

02:42 <ADragonDreaming> unless you can grind up more space for a bunch more wind turbines.

02:43 <Ali> Wind turbines are very cost ineffecient

02:43 <Ali> They need steel

02:43 <ADragonDreaming> they are.

02:43 <Ali> I have a boiler 2 running two steam engines

02:43 <Ali> And as long as I don't add on anything else

02:43 <Ali> My wood pellet farm is making a small profit

02:44 <Ali> But the ineffecient work on iron and the early abundance of copper really doesn't help move things along.

02:45 <Ali> I'm trying to make the smeltery that will turn iron back to a 1:1 instead of a 4:3

02:45 <Ali> But it needs steel and I'm just waiting a lot on iron to be made.

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02:49 <Cepheid> Is it a blue moon tonight, or something?

02:49 <Ali> Don't know?  Is the stupids high?

02:49 <ADragonDreaming> Blue moon~ You saw me standing alone~

02:50 <Cepheid> 80% of the hunters pulled from SOS have suffered from terminal stupidity.

02:50 <ADragonDreaming> huhg

02:50 <Cepheid> The last player ran around for nearly five minutes at 20% health.

02:50 <ADragonDreaming> did he by chance have Heroics/Felyne Heroics?

02:50 <Cepheid> No.

02:50 <ADragonDreaming> RAndos, then.

02:50 <Cepheid> He was too focused on picking up the shinies.

02:51 <ADragonDreaming> Brand New Brute?

02:51 <RazorSharpFang> Morning. Happy Saturday.

02:51 <Schism> Ali: Wood pellet farms are ... yeah.  They'll turn a profit, even more if you don't resource the output, but it still takes a lot to move up from there.

02:51 <Cepheid> A farewell to zinogre

02:51 <ADragonDreaming> ah

02:52 <Ali> Schism, just don't know what to do with all the brown algae I have sitting in a chest

02:52 <RazorSharpFang> Schism, Ali, Green Algae 2 combined with Electrolysers 2 will fix all of that. Requires some green science though.

02:52 <Ali> Oh you know seablock

02:53 * Ali begs RazorSharpFang for power suggestions

02:53 <Ali> Also only in red tech

02:53 <RazorSharpFang> Green algae 2 combined with electrolysers 2....... wind turbines.

02:53 <Ali> Just started sometime last night

02:53 <Ali> Wind turbines are so ineffiecent.

02:53 <RazorSharpFang> All the red science power is inefficient.

02:54 <RazorSharpFang> What I do is I make a minimum-viable-product of science (red, and then green) that's not fully automated. Saves resources and gets you up quicker, but it requires manual loading.

02:54 <Ali> I have a boiler2 running

02:54 <RazorSharpFang> Boiler 2 is no more efficient than boiler1. Just more powerful.

02:55 <Ali> Odd, it /feels/ more efficient

02:55 <Schism> Ali: can't you compress brown algae into wood?

02:55 <Ali> I think that's wood 2

02:55 <Schism> hrmf, probably so.

02:55 <RazorSharpFang> Brown algae cannot be turned into wood. You can turn it into compost, but not wood. Wooden boards, yes, but not wood pellets or bricks.

02:55 <Schism> Oh yeah.  Bleh.

02:56 <ADragonDreaming> yeah, only green algae can be turned into fuel items.

02:56 <Schism> Compost isn't useful for a little while longer yet, too.

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02:56 <Ali> So RazorSharpFang, are you just stuck with electrlyzers for a long time for little iron?

02:56 * Ali is bad speller, can never get it right

02:56 <RazorSharpFang> Pretty much. Are you doing ore sorting and proper smelteries yet?

02:57 <Ali> I've got 4 electrolyers going to two electric crushers

02:57 <RazorSharpFang> You have already crushers for the ores, if you sort them you get iron ore directly, which is beneficial. Blast smelteries induction furnaces and casters improve ratio.

02:57 <Ali> Which goes to the liquifier and then the crystalizer

02:57 <RazorSharpFang> But those ALL require steel.

02:57 <Ali> I'm trying to get a blast furnace thing to get to 1:1, but it needs steel

02:58 <RazorSharpFang> Ali, early-game, I do blast furnace on iron, but not copper to make ratio better.

02:58 <Ali> Yeah I'm not worried about copper right now

02:58 <Ali> I'm drowning in it

02:58 * MoonyCopperEtAl .c yaaawn, streeetch

02:58 <RazorSharpFang> You only have a problem if you've got more than 10 chests of copper.

02:58 <Ali> Eh, not that bad yet

02:59 <Ali> But I feel like I went four or five different directions and wasted a lot of iron on stuff that I don't need or can't help yet due to the power issues

02:59 <Ali> Like mud and sulfuric acid

02:59 <RazorSharpFang> That's the green science stuff.

03:00 <Ali> So yeah, worthless cause of the power issues

03:01 <Ali> Even then, when solar unlocks it still has the same problem

03:01 <RazorSharpFang> I'm not going to dap into solar until at least blue science. It's too costly early.

03:01 <Ali> And it feels like wood pellets are going to be your fuel for the longest time.  I mean I could convert to charcoal for a minor cost increase

03:02 <Ali> 64 worth of power up to 80 but a higher burn rate

03:02 <RazorSharpFang> What I did early is have a bunch of algae 1 farms outputting directly to a chest. Then, from the chest inserters pick and assemble cellulose fibres.

03:02 <Ali> I have two algae farms going

03:02 <Ali> To make pellets

03:02 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, you're going to need more if you're wanting more electrolysers (yeah ofc)

03:03 <Ali> I was looking at electrolysers but it doesn't tell you what they do very well

03:04 <RazorSharpFang> It does expect you to use NFEI competently and able to work those details out yourself.

03:05 <ADragonDreaming> where did I put my mousepad

03:07 <Ali> Well it tells me how to make an electrolyzer, but not what it does

03:08 <RazorSharpFang> Still, you're doing red science, right?

03:08 <Golden> Roar

03:08 <ADragonDreaming> IIRC it does include functions that let you look up how to make certain items, like resources; which can then tell you what machines do.

03:08 <Ali> Yes

03:08 <ADragonDreaming> but I'd have to go load it up to find out and confirm.

03:10 <Ali> https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1666860103757317510/0EAD2FA01EE9CBBCD3AAC9932C97CBB3F0732CEB/  RazorSharpFang, this is what my base looks like.

03:10 <RazorSharpFang> That's a nice compact start.

03:11 <RazorSharpFang> You should start sorting those ores - stiratite and saphrite to get iron ores, which you can smelt.

03:11 <Ali> Well I was originally running 8 eltrcrolysers, but power wouldn't hold.

03:11 <Ali> They are sorted

03:11 <RazorSharpFang> Ah. Next up is the blast smeltery, which is very steel heavy.

03:11 <Ali> Yeah working on that right now

03:12 <Ali> The ore processing is still manually flipped though

03:12 <RazorSharpFang> Fair enough, given your lack of space. You should see if you can slowly automate the production of landfill though, even if it's just 1% of the electrolysers' output.

03:13 <Ali> Well don't forget RazorSharpFang that the ore crushers make 1 stone per use

03:13 <RazorSharpFang> Are you using that as landfill?

03:14 <RazorSharpFang> Also, are you using Helmod planner? I use that to plan out my base.

03:14 <Ali> Yes, what else would I do?  Send it back to the distiller?

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03:15 <Ali> And no, not really in a planning mode yet, cause I have no idea what to really plan on.

03:15 <RazorSharpFang> That is a possibility.

03:15 <Ali> But no, I use that stone for a trickle of landfill

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03:16 <RazorSharpFang> Charcoal is also a pretty big power boost I think.

03:16 <Ali> Its a 64 to 80 boost

03:16 <Ali> Just it requires more processing

03:17 <Ali> which means two more machines running

03:17 <Ali> and I'm not sure if that equals out more power or a net wash

03:17 <RazorSharpFang> I'm fairly sure that's a net power gain.

03:18 <Schism> "On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands' necks. Anything can happen. You can even get a full glass of beer at a cocktail lounge."

03:19 <Schism> Yeah, charcoal processing results in a net power gain.  It's only a little bit to start, but it helps.

03:19 <RazorSharpFang> Ali, quick-query - which version of Seablock are you running?

03:19 <Ali> .5

03:19 <RazorSharpFang> Uh

03:20 <Ali> sadly runs on Factorio version 1.1

03:20 <RazorSharpFang> Hmm, I think you're a version ahead of me then.

03:20 <RazorSharpFang> Still, you should have what I was recommending.

03:20 <Ali> I had to manual install cause the one in the mod lists refuses to work for me

03:22 <RazorSharpFang> That is a bit strange.

03:24 <RazorSharpFang> I'm starting a new game, I'll keep you in the know. Plonked down my first electrolyser.

03:25 <Ali> My first game of seablock ended in like twenty minutes

03:25 <RazorSharpFang> Oh?

03:25 <Ali> Cause the game expects you to go a very specific direction

03:25 <Ali> And if you burn all the mats it gives you by accident

03:25 <RazorSharpFang> Ah.

03:25 <Ali> There's no way to progress

03:25 <Ali> I was locked out of iron pipes

03:25 <RazorSharpFang> Oops.

03:26 <Ali> but couldn't make iron pipes cause the tech needed a specific thing done before unlocking iron pipes

03:26 <Ali> So I had to fully restart

03:26 <Schism> Aren't there stone and copper before iron?  Or was that a previous version?

03:26 <RazorSharpFang> Yes, but these RECIPES require those specifically.

03:26 * MoonyCopperEtAl .c yip!

03:26 <Schism> Ah, I see.

03:27 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, the hydro plant wants iron pipes.

03:28 <Schism> Ali: Well, now that you're somewhat farther on the tech tree, you should always be able to recover from almost anything you mess up.

03:28 <Ali> Yeah my second game I didn't get blocked by those first three techs

03:29 <Ali> RazorSharpFang, I don't know why the game has you make a hydro plant just for the water to make brown algae and a thing to dump the water

03:29 <Ali> When right after it and you make green, it just uses normal water

03:29 <Schism> Ex nihilo mods always require voids.

03:29 <RazorSharpFang> That's a holdover from a previous version. Green algae 1 did not make brown algae.

03:29 <RazorSharpFang> But green algae 1 was horridly slow.

03:29 <Ali> I don't mind the voids

03:30 <Ali> Just kind of a head scratcher to have a tech that requires something that it doesn't need later.

03:30 <RazorSharpFang> I think it's mostly a "hey you can void liquids too"

03:30 * Schism waits for Ali to start dealing with pipe headaches, such as all that lovely sulfurous water.

03:30 <Ali> the liquids are already irking me a tiny bit

03:31 <Ali> Having to go thru three steps to get murky water or whatever it is to get 2nd tier ore stuff

03:31 <Schism> At least you get more land out of the bargain.

03:31 <Ali> I'm sitting here going I'm still screwed on power game, I can't add on any more power hungry buildings

03:32 <RazorSharpFang> There's a lot more liquids and gasses to come.

03:33 <Ali> Yeah so I see, since right now you just void the two gasses from the electrolyser

03:33 <RazorSharpFang> Eventually the oxygen is 100% required.

03:33 <RazorSharpFang> Hydrogen is also useful, but you can't just burn it :(

03:34 <Ali> Well both are later used to sulfuric acid

03:34 <Ali> for, not to

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03:35 <Schism> Oh yes, you need to have H2SO4 for the production of all manner of things.

03:36 <Schism> Sulfur is also, I believe, required for certain types of rubbers and plastics.

03:37 <RazorSharpFang> Eh, to an extent.

03:37 <Ali> Its part of the annoying water process for the next level of ores

03:37 <Ali> Mineral sluge is...not a fun thing to look at

03:38 <RazorSharpFang> Right, but its ore production is many times that of working with mineralised water.

03:39 <Ali> Yeah, its not a chance

03:39 <Ali> But the steps required are a bit annoying

03:39 <RazorSharpFang> It does form your first recycling loop.

03:40 <Ali> I feel like my next step after getting iron to 1:1 is making an algae farm to charcoal feed to up my power production and supply

03:40 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, you need to make quite a few algae farms.

03:40 <Schism> ^

03:40 <Ali> Cause without a power bump I'm just bashing my head in hitting the power ceiling all the time.

03:40 <Schism> This is why we suggest Factorissimo2 to be paired with Seablock.

03:41 <RazorSharpFang> Hopefully you don't have to shoot chests of brown algae.

03:41 <Ali> I have 2.8k of brown algae right now RazorSharpFang

03:42 <Ali> Are there any differences in the pipes?

03:42 <Ali> Like flow rates and the like

03:43 <RazorSharpFang> Not really, excepting underground distance.

03:43 <Ali> Might use copper for that, cause I'm not using copper at all right now

03:43 <RazorSharpFang> Iron pipes are the easiest to mine.

03:43 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .c Arf!

03:44 <Schism> Different pipe variants don't create intersections.  Therefore, you should have multiples if you're running pipelines side by side and don't want them to contaminate each other.

03:44 <RazorSharpFang> Hmm? I've had no problem connecting them together.

03:45 <Schism> Huh.  Maybe that was a previous thing, I could've sworn... oh well.

03:45 <RazorSharpFang> Might have been a different mod.

03:45 <Schism> Yeah, might've just been that.

03:46 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .c sorcerous pipes :p

03:51 <RazorSharpFang> I've unlocked red science. Got my first manually fed boiler.

03:52 <Ali> My pipes ate .1 of iron and now it can't make a cast cause of it.

03:52 <RazorSharpFang> Oof

03:53 <Schism> Ow, I hate when they eat that tiny amount of liquid.

03:53 <Schism> Whether in Minecraft or Factorio, it's always a pain.

03:54 <RazorSharpFang> It's the floating points.

03:56 <Ali> I'd love to get rid of this wind farm, mostly cause its hogging all my island space.

03:56 <Ali> But I need to fix power first

03:59 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, power is always the hardest part to start.

03:59 <RazorSharpFang> Landfill requires power, algae farms require power. etc

04:01 <Ali> My irk with landfill is they kept the 10 to 1 ratio

04:01 <RazorSharpFang> Ah.

04:01 <Ali> So its super slow to make landfill

04:01 <Ali> or was vanilla 20?

04:01 * Ali doesn't remember, never used landfill in vanilla

04:02 <RazorSharpFang> I think it was 20 in vanilla.

04:02 <RazorSharpFang> But it was easy to mine stone.

04:07 <RazorSharpFang> I presume you've already plonked down all the wind turbines you got given?

04:07 <Ali> Eeyup

04:11 <Ali> I hate it when Tia sits at the foot of my chair, looks up at me and cries

04:11 <Ali> But refuses to come up

04:11 <Ali> And after minutes of trying to coax her up, she just paws over to the food bowl, eats, and then buggers off.

04:20 <Schism> You could try to pick her up, if she wouldn't claw you to ribbons.

04:20 <Schism> Though she'd probably bite you, jump off, and start meowing again.

04:20 <Ali> Eeyup

04:21 <Ali> if I lean down to pick her up, she flees

04:21 <Ali> but if only a hand comes down she'll let me pet and scratch her.

04:22 * Schism mms. Also, offers Ali some fudge brownie ice cream with extra chocolate sauce.

04:24 * Ali noms it to drown her sorrows in.

04:25 * Schism also offers the Ali a shot of salted caramel liquor.

04:25 * Ali refuses cause unicorn has no booze rule

04:26 * Schism supposes that's reasonable.

04:26 <Ali> I've told you before, I'd be too worried about a double reaction to it

04:28 <Schism> Mm.  This stuff is best in a mug of coffee anyway.

04:29 <Schism> And definitely not good with medication.

04:29 <Ali> Its not meds I'm worried about

04:29 <Ali> Alcohol is addictive, autism can get into an obsession over something if enjoyed enough

04:30 <Ali> Together those are a horrible combination and I do not want to worry about that.

04:31 * Ali also bets RazorSharpFang already has an ore sorter

04:31 * Schism hmms. Picked up a sweatshirt yesterday. It turns out it's a hoodie, making it the only hoodie in her whole wardrobe.

04:32 <Schism> It's snuggly at least.

04:32 <Schism> Ali: It is perfectly reasonable, like I said.

04:33 <Ali> I know, just reminding why I avoid it and similar things

04:35 <Schism> Chocolate and caffeine, of course, are much more sensible mood-altering drugs.  *sagenod*

04:44 <Ali> Ok so got four algae farms going to two boilers and excess charcoal is being stored away.

04:44 <Schism> Yay!  You have a power surplus now.

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04:54 <Ali> Oy, I need 81 iron plates

04:54 <Ali> I might have power surplus Schism, but iron is still vastly under produced

04:54 <Schism> Ali: With an excess of charcoal, you can also start producing steel.

04:54 <Schism> Always is.  ^^;

04:54 <Ali> Making steel won't help if I still don't have iron :P

04:55 <Schism> Once you get some more ore sorting and a few more things set up, you should be able to massively increase your iron output...

04:55 <Ali> Well the next ore sorting is stupid complex

04:56 <Schism> It does tend to result in a lot of buses, yes.

04:57 <Ali> Buses?  I don't really have much going

04:57 <Ali> You saw that screenshot right Schism?

04:58 <Schism> Nerp.

04:59 <Ali> https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1666860103757317510/0EAD2FA01EE9CBBCD3AAC9932C97CBB3F0732CEB/

05:00 <Schism> Familiar setup.  o3o;

05:01 <Schism> And now to expand it even further.

05:06 <Ali> Well 1k charcoal, so that's a good sign, just iron is still way too low.

05:13 <Ali> RazorSharpFang, do you eventually move on from using the electrlzer to make ore or does this go on for a long time?

05:13 <Schism> You get better electrolyzers.  But that is your primary source of materials...

05:14 <RazorSharpFang> Ali, after green science, you get more options. But electrolysers are at least good until green.

05:15 <Ali> There's two greens in this pack.

05:15 <RazorSharpFang> The green that looks like vanilla green science.

05:16 <Ali> See this pack has farms for some reason

05:16 <Schism> Electrolyzer.  Electrolysis.  Electric slide.  Electrathingimajig.

05:17 <Ali> and don't forget the whatchamacallit

05:17 <Schism> Farms are a useful source of wood and other materials.  o3o;

05:17 <RazorSharpFang> farms are legitimately good for power production. But you'll need to wait until green(ish) science for that.

05:17 <RazorSharpFang> Technically doable at red, but you'll need to make green circuitry.

05:18 <Ali> Right now I'm not sure what to do, I've gotten a second ore processing facility and have automated them to make iron and copper ores now

05:18 <Ali> While iron ore goes to get smelted down

05:18 <RazorSharpFang> Are you all done with red science?

05:18 <Ali> Oh heck no

05:19 <Ali> There's like thirty projects left in red

05:19 <RazorSharpFang> Then, that's a good place to start.

05:19 <Ali> I can't even automate red cause iron is in such small supply

05:19 <Ali> I'd have to like double or triple the electrolyzers to get to a resonable ore output.

05:21 <RazorSharpFang> Which you'll definitely need more algae farms to do.

05:21 <Ali> Which would also mean more landfill

05:21 <Ali> I have 4 farms at the moment

05:21 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, you need to scale up everything really. More farms, etc.

05:22 <Ali> Just hard to scale up with iron being such a blockade

05:22 <RazorSharpFang> It gets better, as you automate stuff.

05:22 <Ali> Everything is automated right now :P

05:23 <RazorSharpFang> Even production of landfill?

05:23 <Ali> What little trickle I get in

05:23 <RazorSharpFang> Stone bricks too?

05:23 <Cyan_Spark> Razor the investor

05:24 <RazorSharpFang> Hey heys Cyan_Spark. I got assigned on Nokia as expected.

05:24 <Cyan_Spark> Bit of strange timing, Saturday

05:24 <Ali> I don't have a high need of stone bricks right now as landfill has priority over stone bricks

05:24 <RazorSharpFang> The algae farms will chew through your bricks.

05:25 <Ali> Yeah I know, but right now I don't have a high need for bricks

05:25 <RazorSharpFang> I'm almost up to electric crushers. :3

05:26 <Ali> yeah I have them running too, helpful but sucks they just add to the energy crunch

05:26 <RazorSharpFang> They're still more efficient than the burners.

05:27 <Ali> Yeah and you don't need to watch them

05:29 <Ali> Ok...why are there two electrolyzers and why is this one worse

05:30 <Ali> It has a smaller footprint, but requres more power and has a worse crafting speed.

05:31 <RazorSharpFang> That's probably the Bobs' one.

05:31 <RazorSharpFang> Angels' one is better.

05:31 <Ali> Of course it is

05:31 <Ali> Despite having a bigger footprint

05:31 <Schism> Oh yeah.  Well, that actually makes sense in a manner.  Trade-offs and whatnot.

05:33 <Ali> See that's a minor problem for new people.

05:33 <Ali> I wasted research and materials on that

05:34 <RazorSharpFang> I don't think I've even got that electrolyser.

05:34 <Ali> Having two mods do the same thing but require different techs and have different effects stink

05:35 <Ali> And why a smaller footprint but make the cost almost 500kW and craft at .75?

05:35 <RazorSharpFang> Different mods, different authors.

05:37 <Ali> Have you burned thru your starting iron RazorSharpFang?

05:37 <RazorSharpFang> Almost, not quite yet. As soon as I start laying belts, it'll dry up immediately.

05:38 <Ali> How many electros you running?

05:39 <RazorSharpFang> 3, 1 reserved for landfill.

05:42 <RazorSharpFang> I'm still manually filling machines.

05:48 <Ali> So you're on the same number as I am, but I made four more that are just sitting in a crate.

05:49 <Ali> Oh god, green circuits are a hot mess...

05:51 <Ali> tin ore?  how do I get tin ore?

05:52 <RazorSharpFang> You must crystalise from mineral sludge

05:53 <Ali> Oh the ugly mineral sludge..

05:53 <RazorSharpFang> At some point, you do have to advance from mineralised water crystalisation.

05:53 <Ali> Yeah I get that, but that is a process that is a bit complex

05:53 <Ali> Also where are liquid storage?

05:54 <RazorSharpFang> Fluid Control

05:54 <RazorSharpFang> Req Basic Chemistry

05:56 <Ali> Bleh, somewhere power demand skyrocketed cause my boiler keeps running to empty, but no brownouts yet.

05:59 <Ali> Working on fluid for copper cause I'm about to run dry on it.

05:59 <Ali> crafted copper that is.

05:59 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .c Yap yap

06:02 <ADragonDreaming> ...hm.

06:02 <ADragonDreaming> This is a copper test.

06:02 <Ali> Of the emergency broadcast system?

06:02 <RazorSharpFang> Ali, what drove your demand for copper up? Copper pipes?

06:02 <ADragonDreaming> Of the Moony yap-yap.

06:03 <Ali> No RazorSharpFang, I just haven't made any new copper plates in a long time.

06:03 <RazorSharpFang> Ah

06:03 * MoonyCopperEtAl .c tries to rearrange live chickens by picking them up in her mouth. It doesn't go very well.

06:04 * Ali wonders why they start everything with a .c

06:07 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .c We're plural. The markers indicate which of us is speaking.

06:09 <Ali> Ooooooook

06:14 <Schism> Oh, I've met some plural folks in other channels who do the same thing.

06:14 <Schism> Something more like M> or C> though.

06:15 <Schism> To each their own, though.

06:15 * Ali doesn't understand it though.

06:16 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .c The most common we've seen is A\

06:16 <Schism> Ali: Eh, neurodivergent traits are a thing.  Some of us have like sixty characters in our heads at once.  I know that every character I've actualized has a place in my own mental framework, comprised as it is of popsicle sticks and Elmer's glue.

06:17 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .c Ali: https://morethanone.info/

06:19 <Schism> I also have this thing where I disassociate my professional persona, e.g. "Dennis", with my personal one, "Jennifer".  This helps to not only limit the dysphoria I feel on a day-to-day basis, but provides me with a disconnect between work mode and something more laid back.

06:19 * NitroTheFurry finds this interesting

06:19 <NitroTheFurry> So, I dont want to be rude, but how is it different then a multiple personality disorder

06:21 <Schism> Well, for one thing, a person has different aspects during their day-to-day life.  How I am in a public, social situation is different from how I am in private, or how I am with a small number of friends.

06:21 * NitroTheFurry is the samw

06:22 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m NitroTheFurry: https://mst3k.interlinked.me/@moonbolt/105353705356145779

06:23 <Schism> It may not be quite the same thing, but in many circumstances, it can feel like I'm multitudinous.  And having a way to express each of those parts of the whole, or express those different _wholes_, is beneficial in a lot of ways.

06:23 <Schism> And if a single mind happens to have multiple beings therewithin, then that's understandable too.

06:24 <NitroTheFurry> MoonyCopperEtAl: oh, maybe my friend is plural then instead of having a personality disorder

06:24 * MoonyCopperEtAl .c nods to Schism.

06:24 <NitroTheFurry> Thank you for explaining this to me

06:24 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m NitroTheFurry >.>

06:25 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m NitroTheFurry: the best way is probably to ask them (/politely/) what labels they identify with

06:25 <RazorSharpFang> Next up is making steel, to eventually start casting iron and copper properly.

06:25 <NitroTheFurry> Its more... they aren't completely sure what it is themselves and they hide it because of what people will think about them

06:26 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m some creatures /do/ use the /DID/ label, and some creatures have that as a formal diagnosis (n.b. neither implies the other)

06:26 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m no kidding :V

06:26 <Schism> I would say that it becomes a disorder if they're in constant struggle with one another.  The parts of my mind are frequently in contention with one another, because they're not of the same mindset.  (Also, they /are/ just characters: they're not actual people, however much they might argue the point.)

06:26 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m we should probably have a hoard of resources to give out…

06:27 <Schism> If, in that struggle, they render the body incapable of proceeding through life in a sensible fashion, that might then become a disorder.

06:27 <NitroTheFurry> Id appreciate that so I can help them understand it themselves

06:27 <RazorSharpFang> There are some theories that the personality of persons is made up of subpersonalities.

06:27 <RazorSharpFang> Which is why people can have internal conflict of a sorts.

06:27 <NitroTheFurry> And their personalities actually get them through things, not prevent them from it

06:28 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m Schism: well, that's unambiguously unhealthy, very much like a household of singlets constantly arguing and fighting is unhealthy

06:28 <Schism> Pretty much.  With even less privacy.

06:28 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m I dunno that we need to attach /disorder/ labels to everything though, particularly if the creatures in question reject it

06:29 <RazorSharpFang> "A house divided against itself cannot stand" - someone, probably.

06:29 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m anyway, achieving /healthy/ multiplicity is generally the goal

06:29 <Schism> That is fair.  I only attach that label to those things which unambiguously result in an inability to function.

06:29 <RazorSharpFang> There's also the whole insurance "Not a disorder? Not covered" thing.

06:30 <Schism> Though we could go around and around about what 'function' means.

06:30 <RazorSharpFang> What does it mean for words to mean things though?

06:31 <Schism> While we're at it, we could consider 'dis-order' as a rather interesting terminology.  Dysfunction of some manner seems both more accurate and more loaded.

06:32 <Schism> I, for example, am dysfunctional on any number of levels, starting with my gender assignment and skipping right across my completely worthless pancreas.

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06:33 <Schism> (To say nothing of all the other neurodivergent weirdness I encompass.  I am legion: I contain multitudes of strange.)

06:34 <Schism> RSF: Okay, I know that you've had the L/NC in charge for entirely too long.  Honest question.  How bad is it?

06:35 <RazorSharpFang> Not that bad, so long as you're a major beneficiary of their policy positions.

06:36 <Schism> White, male, slightly richer than average.  Got it.

06:36 <RazorSharpFang> The fires over east that destroyed a lot were actually due to the States' government policies rather than the federal governments' though. The states' elections matter too.

06:36 <RazorSharpFang> We didn't have those in WA, because we actually do backburning and clearing when required, unlike the other states.

06:37 <Schism> Mm, we get that up here too with provincial and even local elections.

06:37 <RazorSharpFang> I still see people going "Why backburning? Fire bad!" "Think of the environment! Don't clear the forests at all!"

06:37 <RazorSharpFang> Life is complicated, and yet we have to deal with simpletons who think they understand the world.

06:38 <Schism> ugh.  This isn't exactly rocket surgery or brain science here.  You burn a stretch of land because fire can't burn what's already been burned up.

06:38 <RazorSharpFang> Some people think they know more about something they're only vaguely familiar with over someone who literally has spent their entire life dedicated to literally this only single thing.

06:39 <RazorSharpFang> Life is seriously complicated. I cannot overstate this. If you see the true complexity of life, it's like being on shrooms.

06:39 <Schism> And the motivations of people just complicate it more.

06:40 <RazorSharpFang> I maintain that the world would be a better place if people worked more on fixing things local to themselves that the understand a little about, over trying to fix the entire world.

06:41 <Schism> Take me.  I know enough to know that I am _not_ the smartest person in the room.  If a doctor tells me, "Hey, you need to take blood thinners," I am not going to argue and tell him that my blood cholesterol is going to be solved by a quartz pendant and a salt lamp.

06:41 <RazorSharpFang> But people don't want to do that. It requires a humility of sorts that's difficult to find, and even more difficult to cultivate.

06:42 <RazorSharpFang> The anti-vaxxers exist for a reason - plenty of people think they know better. Somehow. Without evidence.

06:42 <Schism> Oh, the evidence is made up, and the words don't matter.

06:43 <Schism> There was a phrase going around in the Bush era.  "We aren't part of the reality-based community."

06:43 <RazorSharpFang> The other sad thing is that around half of the people are less smart than the average person.

06:44 <RazorSharpFang> And the average person so I hear isn't that smart in the first place.

06:46 <RazorSharpFang> Something like half of the people I know don't even know the scientific methodology - but they like "science", somehow. But if they don't even know what it means, they might not be talking about the same thing.

06:47 <Schism> There are two types of people in this circumstance.  The first, upon hearing a scrap of information, takes it as gospel and goes full Dunning-Kruger.  They've made up their minds!  They know better than the experts.  Coral Calcium will _totally_ cure cancer!  

06:49 <Schism> The second just nods their heads and files it away alongside the rest, and asks, "Okay, and what evidence do you have to support this?"

06:49 <RazorSharpFang> I ask some people "How can you tell when something is true?" and they legitimately cannot answer that question.

06:51 <Schism> RSF: I brought this up a few times before.  I have four cards.  Two of them are face-up, and read '1' and '6'.  Two are face down, and are red and black, respectively.  There is a rule which reads that an even-numbered card must have a red back.  Which cards need to be flipped over to test the rule?

06:51 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m What do you think you know, and how do you think you know it?

06:51 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m Schism: pff, this puzzle

06:52 <Schism> Shhh.  :p

06:52 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m Do you also have an alternative more intuitive|less abstract formulation of exactly the same puzzle?

06:53 <RazorSharpFang> I'd want to turn over the '6', because the rule is "Must" - but the validity of this check itself can be statistically verified if we repeat this enough.

06:54 <Schism> A sensible logical reasoning, but you're only partially correct.

06:55 <RazorSharpFang> Turning over the 6 is my first move, how many moves do I get in this game?

06:55 <RazorSharpFang> Does it continue?

06:55 <Schism> Oh, you can turn over as many as you want.

06:55 <Schism> But the question is 'which ones do you need to turn over to test the rule?'

06:56 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m To clarify, you're finding all the violations of the rule.

06:56 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m Not testing whether the rule fits the cards.

06:56 <Schism> All the potential violations.

06:56 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m Which cards do you need to flip to guarantee that you've found all violations of the rule?

06:57 <RazorSharpFang> foreach(var card in cards) { if(Math.IsEven(card.Number) && card.Color != Colors.Red) { Assert.Fail(); } } Assert.Success();

06:58 * MoonyCopperEtAl .m bonks RazorSharpFang with API errors

06:58 <Schism> Sadly, while the pseudocode is nice, it doesn't solve the problem.

06:58 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m You can't see the color and number at the same time, and you can't choose which you start out seeing.

06:58 <RazorSharpFang> No, but statistically, you can declare levels of confidence.

06:58 <Schism> You're missing an important aspect of the problem.

06:58 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m ^

06:59 <Schism> Recall what the rule is.  "If a card is even-numbered, the opposite side must be red."

06:59 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m Again, the rule isn't a hypothesis. It's a regulation, and you're checking the cards for compliance.

06:59 <RazorSharpFang> You said that an even-numbered card must have a red back, but a red back need not have even numbers.

07:00 <Schism> Right.  So what else would you turn over to check that rule?

07:00 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m Bingo. That's what most creatures trip over.

07:00 <RazorSharpFang> My code would short-circuit and only test the colours if the card is even.

07:00 <RazorSharpFang> So if you executed this code you would turn over all cards initially to see their numbers.

07:00 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m Exactly.

07:00 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m …uh

07:00 <RazorSharpFang> That's literally what my code does. So why do you say the code is wrong?

07:01 <Schism> Technically correct.  However, there are only two cards you need to turn over to test the rule.

07:02 <RazorSharpFang> Technically correct is the best correct.

07:02 <Schism> You would flip the number 8 -- to determine if its back is red.  And then you would test the black card, to determine if it's even.

07:02 <RazorSharpFang> I thought it was number 6

07:02 <Schism> 6, fine.  Whatever.  :P

07:03 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m The other formulation we've seen kinda presses the /don't flip unnecessarily/ bit, heh.

07:03 <RazorSharpFang> You're right in that there's no need to test red cards if you can't see their number, but then the executing code would be longer with larger branches. Maintainability would be hurt as a result.

07:03 <RazorSharpFang> I'm a practical person, and an easier to maintain solution will be better off in the long-term unless we have very good reasons for hyper-optimized solutions.

07:04 <Schism> Flip the even card, and flip the black card.  Flipping either the number 1 or the red card would tell you nothing whatsoever about the rule.

07:04 <Schism> Sustainability is all well and good, and simplicity has its benefits, but in a puzzle like this, excessive processing times can cause major issues.

07:04 <RazorSharpFang> That is of course, if the rules are static and unchanging. However, all knowledge is tentative and liable to change, so maintainability of solutions is important.

07:04 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m Your code misses that flipping the cards is a necessary operation to see the other side. ;p

07:04 <Schism> And science is, ultimately, a puzzle.

07:05 <MoonyCopperEtAl> * MoonyCopperEtAl .m bonks RazorSharpFang with API errors

07:05 <RazorSharpFang> MoonyCopperEtAl, in C# that would be implemented in the accessor to automatically flip cards to read.

07:05 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m …okay, now we're getting too bogged down in…

07:06 <RazorSharpFang> I've done similar code to access memory from a PLC

07:06 <RazorSharpFang> Obtaining things like fuel-level, water-tank-level, etc.

07:06 <Schism> We are ultimately looking at a microcosm of real-world situations.  Much like Conway's Game of Life is a poor descriptor of actual biological traits, this isn't a really good example of the scientific method.

07:07 <RazorSharpFang> Schism, incidentally, just because that rule is not violated in this subset of the deck, does not mean it's not violated in the entirety of the deck. Mind your sample-sizes.

07:07 <Schism> Just one tiny part of it, albeit an important one.

07:07 <Schism> Oh, I never said that the rule would be _disproved._

07:07 <Schism> I just asked which ones you should flip over to _test_ the rule.

07:07 <RazorSharpFang> "Your sample sizes are low, your standard deviations are high. Your conclusions mean nothing and you should feel bad"

07:08 * RazorSharpFang shakes his head at low sample sizes.

07:08 <Schism> It's not my fault you're assigning macrocosms to a single test.

07:09 <RazorSharpFang> Well, I have to blame someone else or it's my fault, and I don't like that.

07:09 <Schism> Have you considered joining the Coalition government?  You seem to have a knack.

07:10 <RazorSharpFang> I dislike almost all of their policy decisions. I'd get kicked out.

07:10 <Schism> At least you could blame it on someone else immediately afterwards.

07:10 <Schism> I hear that's all the rage these days.

07:10 <RazorSharpFang> Always has been.

07:11 <RazorSharpFang> There's always been a scapegoat.

07:12 <Schism> Wonder how long it'll eventually take for it to redound on Murdock.  

07:12 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m This is the other formulation: You're part of a logistics team for a resistance group. A shipment is being prepared for immediate dispatch, when you receive an urgent message that some packages may have been prepared incorrectly.

07:12 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m The packages in question are four boxes, two faceup and two facedown. One has a red top, one a black top; one has a 1 on the bottom, one a 6. The applicable shipping regulation here is that a box with an even number on the bottom must have a red top.

07:13 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m Any boxes you grab to check won't make it onto the shipment (which is departing in seconds), but if the shipment violates the rule even once, the whole thing could get confiscated.

07:14 <RazorSharpFang> The approach you would take would change depending on the cost of "flipping" to read. Flipping a card is trivial. Flipping a large box/crate is non-trivial. Of course you'd change your approach if the costs change. A failure to adapt to change always results in death.

07:14 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m There's your incentive to flip as little as possible while still ensuring compliance. :P

07:14 <Schism> M&C: While I like the rephrasing, there's a part of me which prefers the more esoteric variety, if only because I can more readily keep four cards in my pocket than I can four Amazon delivery packages.

07:14 <RazorSharpFang> You're talking about shipping crates right?

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07:14 <RazorSharpFang> The big ones lifted by multi-tonne cranes?

07:15 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m Sure, let's go with that.

07:15 <RazorSharpFang> Then yeah, you'd inspect the current state first, and then do a decision chain that varies depending on its state.

07:15 <ADragonDreaming> Why are the boxes facedown? Who stacked these?

07:15 <RazorSharpFang> ADragonDreaming, incompetent people.

07:15 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m Uh-oh.

07:15 <ADragonDreaming> You don't stack crates upside-down.

07:15 <Schism> Adra: Well, consider who you work for.

07:16 <ADragonDreaming> And if they're going to be part of the resistance, they're not going to be stacking things face down.

07:16 <RazorSharpFang> Suppose they don't work here anymore because of this.

07:16 <Schism> Okay, time to provide Adra with some education.  

07:16 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m sigh

07:16 <ADragonDreaming> Then I'm paying off the driver with their wages to delay shipment a bit while I get the hi-lo.

07:16 <RazorSharpFang> But there's always someone who has to pick up the mess left by weaker people.

07:17 * ADragonDreaming goes to bed.

07:17 <Cepheid> Hum.  Two Safi sieges down.  I finally managed a chest break.

07:17 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m no matter /how/ you formulate it, /some/creature's going to get bogged down in irrelevant details

07:17 <RazorSharpFang> We're practical people. We solve real problems that are often drenched in details.

07:17 <ADragonDreaming> Nah, I was interjecting with an amusing (to me) observation.

07:17 <ADragonDreaming> Also, creature?

07:18 <Schism> And heavens and hells forfend that we might try to explain something to somebeing without the desire to reach for a knife.

07:18 * MoonyCopperEtAl .? longblinks

07:18 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .? That's gotta be the first time somecreature hasn't understood that around /here/

07:18 <RazorSharpFang> Knives are dangerous tho

07:18 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .? Have you seen any of seasons eight or nine?

07:18 <ADragonDreaming> No, I understand it.

07:18 <ADragonDreaming> I object to it.

07:19 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .? >.>

07:19 <RazorSharpFang> Overruled.

07:19 <ADragonDreaming> "creature" carries a connotation of a lack of personhood.

07:19 <Schism> Also, there's a robot or two in here.  ConfusionRift, for example.

07:20 <ADragonDreaming> I recommend "being" or "person" instead, if there is some reason not to use "somebody"

07:20 <Schism> Or perhaps I'm thinking of sofapone.

07:20 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m It's used in the show to refer to sapient beings in an expressly species-neutral way.

07:20 <ADragonDreaming> I never got past season 5.

07:20 <ADragonDreaming> Would likely have had same objection.

07:20 <RazorSharpFang> I got past season 1. Among other seasons.

07:20 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m We also use it as construction-neutral (e.g. organic vs mechanical)

07:21 * Schism is somefox, or someling. But she is also a strange one.

07:22 <ADragonDreaming> anyway. actual sleep time.

07:22 <Schism> "Someone" seems a bit passe under the circumstances.  I suppose I might just go back to my old standpoint of "Some".

07:22 <Schism> Rest well, Adra.

07:22 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m Oddly enough, we have almost the opposite issue with /people/.

07:23 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m A lot of people probably conflate /person/ with /human/ and don't realize it to some extent.

07:24 <RazorSharpFang> Object :3

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07:24 <RazorSharpFang> Perhaps "Actor" as in "Rational Actor"

07:25 <Schism> I personally conflate 'human' with 'any sophont'.  So yes, anyone who's both sentient and sapient _as we understand these things_ is human.  Also a person, but the definition of 'person' is a bit broader in my perspective.

07:26 <NitroTheFurry> !log

07:26 <Unixkitty> https://unixkitty.com/logs/EquestriaDaily/latest.log.html

07:28 <Schism> Which means that if we go out among the stars and find a lot of weird alien specieseses who are capable of reaching out to us for communication, they're all human too.  Just not Terran.

07:28 <RazorSharpFang> Given the media I've seen, we may be... more-than-welcoming to them.

07:30 <Schism> Oh, no doubt about that.  If we do find ourselves invaded/met/whatever, and the first alien race we meet is asexual... I'll be laughing my way off the planet.

07:31 <Schism> Anyway, consider the root of it -- homo, 'same'.  What could make a species more human than thinking in a similar manner to us?  They can have twelve limbs and speak in circular patterns for all we know, but if they're at all familiar to our way of thinking, they're human.

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07:32 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.

07:32 <NitroTheFurry> Hiya

07:33 * Schism waves to 'Rifty, and provides a bit of schwarma pizza.

07:34 <ConfusionRift> ...heh?

07:35 * ConfusionRift looks at the pizza. "Actually, this looks good."

07:35 * ConfusionRift waves the others back. :P

07:35 <Schism> It was a familiar treat at the office, and I decided that in lieu of actually being there, I'd order some.  :p

07:37 <RazorSharpFang> Tesla is almost at 700 USD right now.

07:37 <RazorSharpFang> I had bought in (1 share lol) at 404

07:39 <Schism> Not a bad boost if you can swing it, but I'd worry about the bubble.

07:40 <RazorSharpFang> I'm not too concerned with how little I put into it. I'm just here to enjoy the ride, and only technically have a position.

07:41 <RazorSharpFang> I did get assigned 200 shares of Nokia though.

07:41 <Schism> Well, if you're financially secure enough that 404 is a penny-ante investment, more fortune to you.

07:42 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, a defined-risk area like that is low-concern. My concerns are primarily with positions that have undefined-risk.

07:43 <MoonyCopperEtAl> .m (awoo)

07:43 <Schism> I wish that made less sense than it actually does.

07:43 * Schism yerf.

07:43 <RazorSharpFang> At least when you have defined risk you can plan around it well. How do you plan around undefined risk? With great difficulty.

07:44 <Schism> You start with the assumption that no plan survives contact with the enemy, and move on to recognize that the market is your enemy.

07:44 <RazorSharpFang> Well, I am making money OFF the market, so quite possibly.

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07:50 <RazorSharpFang> Ever since I started options trading I've been getting a lot of ads for CFD financial services. Always interesting to read the fine print which usually reads "75% of retail customers lose money on our services"

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07:50 <Schism> I wonder where that money's going.

07:51 <RazorSharpFang> CFDs, are of course high-risk products with undefined-risk.

07:51 <Schism> It is, as they say in the vernacular, a mystery.

07:52 <Schism> I wonder if they have blinds set up, too.  Can't have the clients learning that certain portfolios are worth much more than stated.

07:53 <Schism> But no, that would be financial malfeasance and terribly, terribly wrong.

07:53 <RazorSharpFang> There are at least some things they can't do legally without the SEC or similar entities tearing them to shreds. Robinhood is getting fined heavily right now.

07:53 <RazorSharpFang> If you have an SEC violation you are in hot water.

07:54 * Schism gawks. "What manner of person would invest in a mutual fund named ROBINHOOD?"

07:54 <RazorSharpFang> Robinhood is a brokerage. Not a mutual fund.

07:54 <Schism> Okay.  What manner of person would invest in a brokerage...

07:54 <RazorSharpFang> It's used by the Wall Street Bets community.

07:54 <Schism> Oh.  On Reddit?

07:54 <RazorSharpFang> yes

07:55 <RazorSharpFang> There was a bug not that long ago that gave you infinite margin.

07:55 <Schism> I retract my disbelief.

07:55 <Schism> I will, however, leave the dismissal in place.

07:59 <RazorSharpFang> I am quite happy with how it's going on the options trading. It's working out. Not every trade is profitable, but I'm overall quite profitable.

08:00 <Schism> Well, you have somewhat more brain cells than the standard person who goes about trading options, and you're being reasonable therewith, so it's not surprising that you're above that 50th percentile.

08:01 <RazorSharpFang> I made a thousand dollars the other day trading on JKS - Jinko Solar Co

08:01 <Schism> Outside of that ridiculous Tesla share, of course.

08:02 <RazorSharpFang> Big moves only here.

08:03 * Cepheid takes a look at their collection of Safi'jiva parts.

08:05 <RazorSharpFang> I am invested in a few other companies, like Kelloggs, First-Solar, and Exxon Mobil.

08:10 <RazorSharpFang> If I can get some more collateral, I'd like to trade on Microsoft too, but they're expensive.

08:12 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/RjrUFCs.png Wheee.

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08:14 <RazorSharpFang> If I were to trade on MSFT, it'd be a diagonal put spread anyway, because that reduces downside, and is overall less profitable, but it has less downside risk.

08:22 * Cepheid introduces ConfusionRift to Safi'jiva.

08:22 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, Schism would likely not have any issues with this boss and it's special attack.

08:24 <ConfusionRift> ._.

08:25 <ConfusionRift> Hmm, why does it look so fami- oooh, it's a grown Xeno'jiiva.

08:25 <Schism> I'm not sure.  While I'm fairly good at dodging, I'm not convinced I'm _that_ good.

08:25 <ConfusionRift> I expect loads of fun... especially struggling with my classic nightmares.

08:25 <Cepheid> Safi'jiva's main fame comes from it's special attack.

08:25 <Cepheid> That and it's absurd durability.

08:26 <Cepheid> Fortunately, it's a siege.

08:27 <Cepheid> Basic gist:  20 minute battles.  You try to drain it of energy by damaging it in three separate areas.  During this, you need to break as much of it's body as possible.  That said, between quests, any parts that you have personally been present for with regards to breaking, do NOT need to be broken again.

08:27 <Cepheid> The siege ends when you drain all of the energy in the final area and kill Safi'jiva there.

08:27 <Schism> Ah, seems more reasonable.

08:27 <Cepheid> Then you get rewards based on how much you broke it up over the multiple quests.

08:27 <Cepheid> As well as killing it.

08:28 <Cepheid> As for it's special attack..

08:28 <Cepheid> You are familiar with Ecliptic Meteor from FF14?

08:28 <Schism> I should think so.

08:28 <Cepheid> Basic gist.  Sapphire of the Emperor.  Flies up into the air, starts breathing blue flame downwards.  Got a few seconds to get behind a crag to protect yourself.

08:28 <Cepheid> If you're not behind a crag, you fall over dead.

08:29 <Cepheid> And, according to reports, it's entirely possible to screw yourself over with regards to it.  On the other hand?

08:30 <Cepheid> Failing to defeat it, or failing through carting does not affect the siege rewards, and any breaks or damage you did will be retained.

08:30 <Schism> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNl9sDTWcV4

08:31 <Schism> Entirely randomly.

08:32 <Cepheid> Kurone has an... interesting scream.

08:33 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, Pekora has a terrifying and distressing laugh.  And Kiara's voice drives Spitfire up a wall.

08:34 <Schism> So much wau.

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08:40 <Cepheid> Man she does NOT like bugs.

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09:03 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/q2aawGm

09:21 <ConfusionRift> "Oh, where we going? Are we going outside? Maybe a bit of a walk- nooOOOOO!!!"

09:38 <ConfusionRift> Hmmm... (checks his temp) Staring to get a bit of a LoZ fever going.

09:39 <ConfusionRift> Alas, no. Gonna continue checking if Starbound is stable, since I nuked EVERYTHING out of existence before running with mods.

09:52 * Dappled horses into existence once more. Yes.

09:59 * ConfusionRift notices Dappled. "Hallooo."

10:00 * Dappled waves! He doesn't understand why his planes in KSP can't get off the ground!

10:01 * Dappled chews on the game engine. Reveal your secrets to me!

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10:05 <ConfusionRift> So, is it not not taking off? Is it pivoting and crashing? Is it unstable before take off? Is it struggling to meet takeoff?

10:05 <Dappled> It won't go straight.

10:06 <Dappled> Then it falls over and explodes.

10:06 <ConfusionRift> Hmmm. Might be a weight issue? Maybe one side is heavier than the other. Maybe unmatching thrust. Hard to say.

10:07 <Dappled> Only had one engine at the back. So weight probably. Just trying to build a new one.

10:08 <ConfusionRift> It's likely weight. Very front heavy.

10:08 * Golden flops.

10:10 * Dappled 's about to go back to hitting the revert flight button til he gets airborn at least.

10:14 <Dappled> Also I can't get my air intake part to connect with anything other than the rocket cock pit.

10:33 * Dappled goes back to normal rockets. Those are easier.

10:34 <Golden> Gonna try to sleep the stress away. The interview went well, but my brain is beinga jerk.

10:34 <Dappled> Woo! Sleep is good.

10:41 <Golden> Thanks.

11:04 * Dappled also goes to sleep. Later ponies.

11:07 <ConfusionRift> Laters, and have a good one you both! :P

11:30 <Finwe> Good afternoon, everypony!

11:30 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift, Capt Koopz.

11:30 <Finwe> o7

11:30 <Finwe> Messrs Dappled, Golden and Heartbreak; Mlles Schism, Cepheid and DashedRainbows.

11:30 * Finwe doffs his hat.

11:31 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)

11:33 <Finwe> Remember to check carefully what it says on the bottle before applying to your hands: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/D5NY9NG3/400139200583_46198.jpg

11:53 <ConfusionRift> Whoopsies.

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12:51 <Jackie> I read the topic as "Happy 10 years of porno."

12:52 <Finwe> :D

12:52 <Lumindia> '-'

12:52 <Lumindia> okay then

12:52 * Lumindia nibbles on Jackie's ear

12:53 <Finwe> I suspect that porn is older than ten years.

12:53 * Jackie purrs and fluffs

12:53 <Jackie> Porn is old as prehistoric times

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14:33 <Schism> I swear, the more this holiday season drags on, the more I'm convinced that the shipping companies have simply run out of [yay] to give.

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14:49 <Lumindia> more like we're getting overwhelmed with people doing last minute christmas shipping

14:49 <Lumindia> UPS and FedEx have been operating at what's basically 70% christmas volume through the entire pandemic

14:50 <Lumindia> which is quite a bit

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16:27 <RichardMist> Hoy Pony|32693 *wavies*. How are you?

16:29 * Pony|32693 wavie waves!

16:29 <RichardMist> How are you?

16:29 <Pony|32693> Bit tired, but good otherwise. You?

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16:29 * Pony|32693 wavie waves at Ali too.

16:29 <RichardMist> I'm fine, thanks for asking

16:29 * Ali yawnsies and wavies

16:29 <RichardMist> Hoy Ali, nice to see you again!

16:31 <RichardMist> Poor Ali, every day like that...

17:09 <Schism> You know.  Some days, it's really, really, _really_ tempting to just burn the world to cinders and revel in the ashes.

17:18 * Ali nods and flops over the Schism

17:19 <Schism> Ali: People are expecting their orders placed today to arrive before Christmas.

17:19 <Ali> Pft, good luck with that

17:19 <Schism> And they're really, really upset when those orders can't be cancelled for Reasons.

17:20 <Ali> Sounds like humans to me

17:21 <Schism> "Amazon lets me cancel the orders!" "Amazon is a multi-billion-dollar conglomerate.  You're more than welcome to order through them instead." "But they don't have the shoes I want!" "Then if you want them so hard, buy a pair in the _RIGHT_ size and ship the others back to us." --what I want to say

17:22 <Ali> But the customer is always right <- This died in like the 90s

17:23 <Schism> "You're wrong, therefore you're not a customer.  See how easy that was?"

17:26 <ADragonDreaming> The Customer is Always Right was actually a correct thing that got expanded to where it didn't belong.

17:26 <ADragonDreaming> It started as instructions to sales-people for things like cars and furniture, as an admonishment to actually listen to what the customer is saying they want, rather than trying to push a specific thing on them.

17:26 <Schism> A customer is deserving of an associate's time and efforts to ensure that they are served correctly.

17:27 <Schism> Because, well, that's our job.

17:27 <ADragonDreaming> In that context, I agree with the statement. Outside the context, it doesn't apply.

17:29 <Schism> And a customer who is costing the business more than they spend, by (amongst other things) abusing painstakingly-trained sales staff until they throw up their hands and just walk away, is no proper customer at all.  They are a leech.

17:47 <Ali> Well, got the mineral sludge running

17:53 <ADragonDreaming> huzzah!

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18:34 * Cepheid groggily awakens.

18:38 <RichardMist> Cepheid, good mornin' !

18:39 <ADragonDreaming> Awaken!

18:39 <RichardMist> Now it's time for Monster Hunter!

18:40 <Cepheid> Not yet.  I need to eat breakfast and I'd like to take a shower.

18:40 <Cepheid> By the by, ADragonDreaming, don't try to put more than 1 level 6 ability on your Safi weapon.  It'll cause any other such skill to be leveled down to level 5.

18:42 <RichardMist> Have a nice meal if going to eat

19:30 <Cepheid> Sometimes, headlines do actually make me go "what?" so many times that I have to re-read it.

19:30 <Cepheid> "Fact check:  Nurse fainting after COVID-19 vaccine not evidence of potential mass genocide."

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20:10 <RichardMist> Hello Angeline, nice to see you again

20:10 * RichardMist *wavies*

20:11 * Angeline just curls up.

20:20 <Cepheid> It's a sad day when two Tempered Bazelgeuses are my best way to achieve two bounties, and they're easy to kill.

20:23 <ADragonDreaming> haha

20:24 <Cepheid> I wasn't even using a proper armor set.

20:24 <Cepheid> Just my ice switch-axe, a bit of anti-blast, and earplugs.

20:24 <Cepheid> I killed one in 3 minutes, while the other was rampaging around in the same area.

20:26 <Cepheid> Now to go mercilessly murder a 2* monster a couple of times to test something.

20:27 <Cepheid> Right, I just beat my old record.

20:27 <Cepheid> I killed a Great Jagras from start in Camp 1, to kill, in 59 seconds.

20:28 <Cepheid> I am officially spending more time just waiting to return to HQ than I did on killing it.

20:32 <Cepheid> Beat it again.  54 seconds.

20:32 <Cepheid> And, I also confirmed my findings.  I do not appear to get Joy tickets from low rank quests, even with the Oolong armor set.

20:33 <Cepheid> Was hoping that'd be a quick and easy route to the tickets for me.

20:39 <Cepheid> So, ADra.  When we get to hunting later on, I have a request.

20:39 <Cepheid> Silver Rathalos.

20:46 <Cepheid> Oh yeah, when I was working on my Safi weapon, I got really.... Lucky.

20:46 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/m0o6dE6.png

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21:12 * Cepheid SOSes for a MR Great Jagras. Players are all "... What?" "I did it for others to get low-level hunter rewards."

21:14 <Cepheid> ... There's more to the felyne Safi armor than meets the eyes.

21:14 <Cepheid> It apparently sprouts glowing wings.

21:19 <ADragonDreaming> very nice on the slot upgrade

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21:22 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.

21:22 <Cepheid> Would prefer IV, but then I'd have to sacrifice another skill's max level.

21:23 <Cepheid> I am assuming that Item Slot IV is a 6-star ability.

21:23 <Cepheid> Hilariously, this means I can get a three-slot weapon.

21:24 <Cepheid> Augment the Safi axe afterwards with Slot Upgrade.

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21:25 <Cepheid> Looks like, according to the wiki, that I'll be able to achieve...

21:25 <Cepheid> 1 Lv4 slot, 1 Lv2 slot, and 1 Lv3 slot.

21:26 <Cepheid> But achieving that will use up all available upgrade slot.

21:26 <Cepheid> Er, upgrade slots*

21:26 <Cepheid> Strikes me as a "worth it though" case.

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21:29 <RichardMist> Cepheid, how is it going in Moster Hunter?

21:29 <Cepheid> Good.  Fun.

21:30 <RichardMist> Glad to hear that

21:30 <Golden> Just saw the rise SNS stuff.

21:30 <Golden> Bloody turns the sword into a whip for one of the moves. I am happy

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21:42 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.

21:42 <Cepheid> I'm debating creating a Discord server for Rise hunting, to avoid flooding this channel with discussion of it, when it comes out.

21:43 <Golden> Well considering most of my rl friends rarely play MH now I do need a hunting party so I'd be down.

21:44 <Cepheid> Heh.

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21:44 <Cepheid> I wonder if they'll be retaining the SOS flare.

21:44 <Cepheid> Seems crazy not to.

21:45 <Fluttershy> What are you even talking anout?

21:45 <Fluttershy> I mean, About?

21:46 <Golden> Monster Hunter

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21:47 <Golden> Well Ceph if you do make a discord server I'd be down to join.

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21:50 <Cepheid> Sounds good.  I'll likely be creating it around the time of Rise' release.

21:50 <Golden> Sounds good

21:51 <RichardMist> Hoy Fluttershy *wavies* How are you?

21:51 <Cepheid> No game, I do not need VIP tickets.

21:53 <RichardMist> Discord server sounds interesting for me too

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22:01 * Ali flops over, let seablock run for several hours on its own

22:02 <Ali> Well that's good to see, almost 2k of iron plates and a load of landfill

22:18 <Cepheid> I think sometime this weekend, just for feelgood reasons, I'll binge Dragon Maid.

22:19 <Cepheid> Need food.  o3o

22:37 <RichardMist> https://u.to/kreSGg

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22:41 * Cepheid returns from cleaning up and eating.

22:41 <Cepheid> Careful, Richard.  It's a trap.  Ponies are much like cats.  You go for the belly, you end up with scratches and bites.

22:42 <RichardMist> Yus, Cepheid, I understood you

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22:46 <RichardMist> Welcome again, ADragonDreaming

22:48 * ADragonDreaming is doing the kitchen clean-up after dinner.

22:48 <ADragonDreaming> With my mom having broken a bone in her foot, it's aaaaaaall up to me

22:53 <Cepheid> Yep.  Been doing housework around here too.  Seems part of my mood swings problem is that I am constantly feeling like I'm not doing enough, or that I'm "doing something wrong."

22:54 <Cepheid> I just vacuumed the upstairs, cleaned up my bathroom, did my laundry..

22:54 <RichardMist> ADragonDreaming, How is it going? Are you ok with that?

22:55 <ADragonDreaming> Yeh.

22:55 <RichardMist> Cepheid, do not worry you're doing great with everything

22:55 <Cepheid> Any idea how long she'll be in a cast for yet, ADra?

22:59 <Finwe> Good evening, my perissodactyls of minute stature.

23:00 <Finwe> Mlles Ali, Cepheid, DashedRainbows, Angeline and Schism; Messrs Dappled, Heartbreak, ADragonDreaming, RichardMist and Golden.

23:01 * Finwe doffs his hat.

23:01 <Golden> Hey

23:01 * Ali flops over Finwe

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23:01 * Finwe flips under the Ali.

23:01 <RichardMist> Mr. Finwe

23:01 * RichardMist *bows*

23:01 * Finwe renders Ali's tail subject to being nommed upon.

23:10 * Dappled horses into existence once again.

23:12 * Ali noms on the Dappled horse

23:13 * Finwe hats on Ali after nomming on her tail.

23:14 * Ali is no longer making wasteful brown algae, has like three chests of the stuff.

23:14 <Finwe> o3o

23:27 * Cepheid watches as a Gajalaka paralyzes her four times in a row trying to throw paralysis knives at a Tobi-Kadachi.

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23:46 * Lumindia steals Jackie, noms on ear

23:46 * Jackie purrs and fluffs up

23:46 * Finwe noms on Lumindia.

23:47 <Finwe> https://www.classicfm.com/composers/bach/if-bach-wrote-last-christmas/

23:47 <Finwe> It's not the original so I think you remain unwhammed even though you listen to this one.

23:51 <ADragonDreaming> Last Christmas, I gave you Makar. The very next day, you gave me some hay.

23:55 * Cepheid does a quest to get one more Tobi-Kadachi Claw+. Since every other quest has only given 1, is expecting this one to give 6.

23:56 <Ali> Like legendary raiders in Fallout 4

23:56 <Ali> They'll drop nothing

23:56 * Finwe noms on PinkieShy

23:57 <Finwe> Ali: Maybe they're lengendary because of that.

23:57 <PinkieShy> I'm playing BitLife XD

23:57 <PinkieShy> This is addictive.. But also odd but neat..

23:58 <Cepheid> I received 3.