00:00 <Fluttershy> Where does Dark Link live? Spirit or Shadow realm?
00:00 <RichardMist> Okay
00:01 <Angeline> That depends.
00:01 <Angeline> By 'Dark Link', do you mean the Dark Link of Water Temple fame?
00:01 <Angeline> Or another Dark Link. Because some folks consider the ALBW you-know-who to be Dark Link
00:02 * RichardMist *simply goes back to forest*
00:02 <Fluttershy> The one with Red eyes
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00:03 <Fluttershy> Which ones belong in which realm?
00:03 <Angeline> OoT Dark Link may not even be real
00:03 <Angeline> But is more of a metaphorical or allegorical entity.
00:03 <Fluttershy> I've only completed the Water Temple in oot
00:04 * Dappled ascribes to the idea that OoT Dark Link is a previous Link who attempted to fully break the cycle of rebirth of Ganon/Zelda and was punished for it.
00:05 <Fluttershy> Oh yeah! He was more of an illusion than Dark Link is.
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00:06 <RichardMist> It's a pity that I'm so far from all these games, and can't play them...
00:06 <Angeline> Anywho, Dark Link from OOT is not really a 'thing'.
00:07 <Angeline> The Water Temple is testing Link spiritually and physically, the mental test is the temple itself
00:07 <ADragonDreaming> OG Dark Link is from Legend of Zelda 2.
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00:07 <Angeline> So it asks Link to do something that is normally not possible and to defeat himself.
00:08 <Fluttershy> I'm talking about one that looks more like this: https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Link?file=Dark_Link_%28Hyrule_Warriors%29.png
00:09 <Angeline> Looks like the same one.
00:09 <Angeline> https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/zelda/images/2/24/Dark_Link_%28Ocarina_of_Time%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20100124222021
00:10 <Fluttershy> No, the one in oot looks like this: https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Link?file=Dark_Link_%28Ocarina_of_Time%29.png
00:11 <ADragonDreaming> You realize that's the same exact look, just with better polygons allowed by a better hardware?
00:11 <RichardMist> Reminds me Ben
00:12 <Fluttershy> Oh. Still, Which realm?
00:12 <ADragonDreaming> Ben was a Majora's Mask creepypasta story, so same source material.
00:12 <ADragonDreaming> Realm?
00:12 * Lumindia_ snugs Angie muchly
00:14 <ADragonDreaming> All of Dark Link's appearances point him not being an actually separate entity in the sense of "belonging to a realm"
00:14 <RichardMist> I still don't understand what Ben asked me to remember ...
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00:15 <ADragonDreaming> In Zelda II, Dark Link is literally Link's shadow animated and turned against him. The implication, from what little you can gather from the game, is that it serves as a test; anyone who reached that far to get the Triforce of Courage would face a copy of themselves.
00:16 <Cepheid> ^
00:16 <Cepheid> This is literally the case.
00:17 <ADragonDreaming> In Ocarina of Time, you have similar framing: Dark Link spawns in a room covered in illusion. It's a magical manifestation, forcing whoever gets there to face themselves, as Angeline stated earlier. So again, not really a being so much as an automated hazard.
00:18 <Dappled> Poor Link. Zelda and Ganon just get there Triforces. Link has to actually work for it.
00:18 <ADragonDreaming> In Oracle of Ages, the four Dark Links are summoned up by the final boss: they are, again, illusory/magical constructs rather than separate beings.
00:18 <Angeline> That's because his isn't one that can be freely given, Dappled.
00:18 <Fluttershy> I think it depends on Which one. Shadow Link = Shadow realm, while Dark Link = Spirit Realm
00:18 <Angeline> The Triforce of Power and Wisdom have their own traits.
00:19 <ADragonDreaming> They aren't from realms, thought
00:19 <ADragonDreaming> *though
00:19 <Angeline> Namely, the Triforce of Wisdom is passed on, matrilinealally, and doesn't reveal itself until the bearer has come to grips with who and what they are.
00:20 <Angeline> This is why BOTW Zelda and OOT Zelda are so different.
00:20 <Angeline> In BOTW (at least in flashbacks) Zelda is unsure of herself and who she is, she isn't really 'settled' in her own skin, so to speak.
00:20 <Fluttershy> Ever heard of Dark Saria? https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fdarksaria&psig=AOvVaw3dsnPC7NOsw44S7Y44X_Aw&ust=1608596425294000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCJDT7ejm3e0CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD
00:20 <Angeline> In OOT, she's had to already grow up due to not having her mother around, and in turn, has the power of her Triforce available to her.
00:20 <Dappled> What I heard is that Din, Faore, and Nayru play favorites because they want to make Link jump through hoops.
00:21 <Angeline> The Triforce of Power, however, is... quite different.
00:21 <Angeline> Once given, its power can only be awakened through sheer force of will.
00:21 <ADragonDreaming> Nope, never heard of Dark Saria, since that's not a character in the games.
00:22 <Fluttershy> That's why Gannon always wins top.
00:22 <Fluttershy> (top means triforce of power)
00:22 <Angeline> Ganon always has the Triforce of Power because his will is something truly spectacular.
00:23 <Angeline> It allows him to do something almost no other character in the games does.
00:23 <Angeline> He is both a master magician, and a master swordsman.
00:24 <Fluttershy> Dark Zelda: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F70509550388932724%2F&psig=AOvVaw2YRBJCgIgfQtWF0mRUWv5p&ust=1608596612681000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCODMjcLn3e0CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAI
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00:24 * Dappled out swordsmans ganon with a bottle.
00:24 * Angeline throws a bug at Dappled.
00:25 * Dappled catches the bug! Then wanders back home to watch it.
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00:27 <Fluttershy> Dark Ruto: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fprincess_ruto_&psig=AOvVaw37V7dSR_PGilql2dYMt88U&ust=1608596761829000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCNCa_4jo3e0CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAI
00:30 <Fluttershy> Dark Navi: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Flicketycut.myshopify.com%2Fproducts%2Flegend-of-zelda-glow-in-the-dark-navi-necklace-laser-cut-acrylic-gamer-gear&psig=AOvVaw3q66fXgiDz6ChBkuAC6XKh&ust=1608597036635000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCPit_ovp3e0CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD
00:32 * Cepheid flops.
00:32 <Cepheid> I need to lay down.
00:32 <Fluttershy> Dark Gannondorf I'm surprised there is one: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/kYG6sRJYs0F2bt1djTT6dsU23vzBBWFuiJ0FkgC8XDEHo8zQVxyfGAIbq6OK3PrrKPm50fE=s85
00:33 <Fluttershy> I perfer playing Link with a DL costume on in SSB
00:37 * Cepheid goes to do some Safi sieges to start work on a new weapon.
00:42 <Dappled> More Bulbasaurs!
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00:54 <Cepheid> Hmm?
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01:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Say Something Nice About Cloudy Quartz [ https://tinyurl.com/yace5bdn ]
01:05 <RichardMist> Monster Hunter awaits!
01:12 * Dappled holds up his perfect IV Modest nature Bulbasaur.
01:13 <RichardMist> Noice
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01:25 <Cepheid> Ow.
01:26 <Cepheid> So, Safi just wiped the party, because he did Sapphire Star of the Emperor TWICE IN A ROW.
01:27 <Ali> And the healer fell asleep~
01:28 * Finwe noms on Ali's tail.
01:29 <Cepheid> Nah.
01:29 <Finwe> !lullaby
01:29 * DerpyBot carries Finwe off to bed
01:29 * DerpyBot tucks Finwe in and hums a lullaby
01:29 <Cepheid> Sapphire Star of the Emperor is not something that can be healed through.
01:29 <Cepheid> Much less tanked.
01:29 <Cepheid> It's an attack that, NORMALLY has a recovery period in between to produce crags, but sometimes?
01:29 <Cepheid> He rarely does it twice in a row. It's a full wipe.
01:30 * Dappled puts on Guard 5, Guard up, and Divine Protection 5. Tanks it.
01:30 <Finwe> Silly Arch doesn't detect my wifi adapter. :/
01:31 <Finwe> !lullaby
01:31 * DerpyBot carries Finwe off to bed
01:31 * DerpyBot tucks Finwe in and hums a lullaby
01:31 <Finwe> !shoo
01:31 * DerpyBot sways from side to side, quietly humming "shoo be doo shoo shoo be doo"
01:31 <Finwe> Good night, everypony.
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01:43 <RichardMist> https://u.to/p6SVGg
01:43 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/DNBsLYz.png "[EXPLETIVE REDACTED]"
01:45 <RichardMist> My PC after cyberpunk
01:46 <RichardMist> Cepheid, have you seen how he obtained The Darksaber?
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02:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #2379 [ https://tinyurl.com/y82n223g ]
02:04 <ADragonDreaming> "It may well be that, in the sight of Heaven, you are more worthless and less fit to live than MILLIONS like this poor man's child."
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03:02 <Ali> So liquid boilers are more confusing than I thought
03:02 <Ali> It seems the need a specific gas compound to fire off
03:06 <Cepheid> The way Capcom describes the second region of Rise, the Flooded Forest, is making people speculate that underwater combat is returning again, ADragonDreaming.
03:50 <ADragonDreaming> oh aye?
03:52 <Cepheid> Yeah, it's called the Flooded Forest, and described as such: "Due to the constant flow of water, the majority of this forest has become submerged."
03:53 <Cepheid> People are speculating based on the "submerged" part.
03:54 <Cepheid> Personally I'm not against the idea, but it's gonna introduce a lot of saltiness in the playerbase if it's the case.
03:55 <Dappled> Because it's sea water?
03:57 <Cepheid> Because a good chunk of the Rise players are people who are new to the series, through MH:World.
03:57 <Cepheid> They never experienced the underwater hunting of Tri/3U.
03:58 * Dappled remembers that. Remembers it making him quit immedaitely.
03:58 <Cepheid> And the general opinion of underwater hunting is... I'd say it's 50/50, but it's probably more realistically 70/30 against it.
03:59 <Cepheid> Myself, I'm indifferent. It's just another difficulty in the war against an unending tide of monsters that we use to fuel our kleptomania.
03:59 * Dappled thinks it might work since it's not going to be on the 3/DS
04:00 <ADragonDreaming> Didn't 3U do away with it?
04:00 <ADragonDreaming> It was only in Tri.
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04:01 <ADragonDreaming> One of the things was I never really had trouble with it myself in Tri, but I think that's beceause I used a lance, and lance was not very hampered by water movesets.
04:01 <Cepheid> I could have sworn that 3U brought it back. Maybe I'm wrong.
04:01 <ADragonDreaming> That said, I remember the Flooded Forest area from past games.
04:01 <Cepheid> Yeah.
04:01 <Cepheid> Fandom says 3U brought it back.
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04:02 <Cepheid> Also, despite the name, the Flooded Forest of Rise is not the same as the one in Tri/3U.
04:02 <ADragonDreaming> oh, it was MHP3rd that didn't include it, and therefore altered the Flooded Forest.
04:03 <Cepheid> Unless the hunters built some Mayan-themed structures at some point in the Tri/3U Flooded Forest, anyways.
04:03 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/MHinfo_en/status/1340129866155356161
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04:06 <Cepheid> Ontario is supposed to go into lockdown for 28 days starting Christmas Eve. Only essential businesses are to remain open. How much you want to bet that many businesses suddenly declare themselves as essential?
04:07 <Dappled> Sounds normal.
04:07 * Dappled sits here in Oklahoma where every business is essential.
04:18 <Cepheid> Apparently, people don't grasp the reason for a province locking down, when a majority of the cases are isolated to Toronto and Windsor. Long answer short: Toronto and Windsor are hotspots, and it's near Christmas and New Years Eve, we kinda need to make sure that people don't travel to and from these two cities.
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07:19 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
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07:26 <NitroTheFurry> Hiya
07:30 <Golden> Hey
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10:02 <Finwe> Good afternoon, my flock of small pastel-coloured equines.
10:02 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift, Capt Koopz.
10:02 <Finwe> o7
10:02 <Finwe> Messrs Golden and NitroTheFurry.
10:02 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
10:02 * Finwe doffs his hat.
10:04 <Golden> Yo
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13:41 <Finwe> !plot
13:41 <DerpyBot> *wigglewiggle*
13:41 <Finwe> *wigglewiggle*
13:49 <ConfusionRift> Aaaaand to sleep.
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14:26 <Cyan_Spark> Razor the investor
14:26 <Cyan_Spark> Evening
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15:31 <ADragonDreaming> I have scheduled a COVID test this afternoon
15:32 <RazorSharpFang> I always shed a few tears after the jab up the nose.
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16:03 <Cepheid> Ah, right, head cold symptoms. Yeah, not a bad idea to get tested, just in case.
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16:29 <Cepheid> I forsee another toilet paper shortage for Ontario in the next few days,
16:29 <Cepheid> Assuming it hasn't happened already.
16:33 <Cepheid> *Standing in kitchen, making coffee.* <Mother> *Standing in kitchen, watching me make coffee.* "Oh, be careful in the kitchen, the floor's wet." <Me> "... You don't say."
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16:45 <DerpyBot> *derp*
17:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Luna Day - 70 of the Best Luna Plushies! [ https://tinyurl.com/yddhl8vh ]
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18:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Penny Wrights: Over the Moon or Overrate? A Look to Luna [ https://tinyurl.com/y89dfy37 ]
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19:00 <NitroTheFurry> Cepheid, do you make music by any chance?
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19:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Community Soapbox - Storm King Fixin, Friendship Map Running Doom, and More! [ https://tinyurl.com/yapbkc9y ]
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20:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: 38 of the Best Fanfics to Read for Luna Day! [ https://tinyurl.com/y8kuzfys ]
20:12 <RichardMist> Hello Pony|77450, nice to see you again!
20:12 * RichardMist *wavies*
20:13 * Pony|77450 wavie wave!
20:30 <RichardMist> How are you, Pony|77450?
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20:37 <ADragonDreaming> hworf
20:40 <RichardMist> Hoy ADragonDreaming, nice to see you again
20:40 * RichardMist *wavies*
20:41 <RichardMist> How are you today?
20:44 <ADragonDreaming> sick.
20:45 <RichardMist> Oh, I hope you get well soon
21:14 <Cepheid> I do not, NitroTheFurry.
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21:14 <Cepheid> Also, hope you feel better soon ADragonDreaming.
21:14 <Cepheid> https://i.redd.it/qtzsvlst3k661.png
21:16 <ADragonDreaming> Tetsucabra
21:21 * Starlight_Glimmer sits on ADragonDreaming
21:22 <Starlight_Glimmer> It feels like this place is getting emptier every day :(
21:23 * ADragonDreaming throws a Dodogama at Starlight_Glimmer
21:23 * Cepheid submits a response to a survey the school insists she fill out.
21:24 * Cepheid laughs at the suggestion that they put down their e-mail address for the school to contact them about any concerns.
21:25 <Cepheid> That would just create more problems than solve.
21:28 <Cepheid> Welp, it's official now through Ford himself. Ontario's going in lockdown on the- ... They pushed it back to Boxing Day. Gods damnit, Ford.
21:28 <Cepheid> You know what's going to happen on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day.
21:28 <Cepheid> Why the hell would you push it back past that?
21:34 <ADragonDreaming> b/c he knows what's going to happen on christmas eve and christmas day and, stupid as it did, doesn't want to have "canceled Christmas" - despite that not being the point of the holiday.
21:36 <Cepheid> The actual meaning of the holiday has blurred a lot these days. As far as my family is concerned, it's just a day to give each other gifts, spend some time together, and yell at my sister for being a 2-year-old and waking us up at 4 AM in the morning.
21:37 <ADragonDreaming> indeed
21:38 <Cepheid> That last thing isn't a joke.
21:40 <Cepheid> My sister's got this... sort of split personality thing? Wherein she can go from mature individual to immature brat at will.
21:40 <Cepheid> And she even does the voice to go with it.
21:40 <Cepheid> And as a result, she likes to abuse it on certain days as her excuse to wake us up at inane times.
21:41 <ADragonDreaming> huh
21:41 <Cepheid> I'm turning my phone off on Christmas Eve. Or at least silencing it.
21:42 <Cepheid> She's not here, but that won't stop her.
21:46 <Cepheid> So, today I confirmed the existence of an awakening skill.
21:47 <Cepheid> Slot Bonus IV. It does exist. Provides a level 4 slot. It's a unique skill.
21:47 <Cepheid> So as a result, I now have a switch-axe with a level 4 and level 3 slot, and another switch-axe with two level 4 slots.
21:49 <RichardMist> Hello Starlight_Glimmer, nice to meet you
21:49 * RichardMist *wavies*
21:49 <ADragonDreaming> very nice
21:50 <Cepheid> You can also stack abilities.
21:51 <Starlight_Glimmer> Good evening RichardMist
21:51 <Cepheid> So if you have Affinity V on it already, and you see another Affinity V choice, you can add that to the weapon.
21:51 <Cepheid> This does not apply if it's considered an upgrade to an already-applied ability. It will instead replace those, so for example..
21:51 <Cepheid> You get Affinity V, then get Affinity III, then later get Affinity V, it'll upgrade the Affinity III to Affinity V.
21:53 <ADragonDreaming> Theremin for sale. Never been touched.
21:58 <Cepheid> ...
21:58 <Cepheid> Ow.
21:59 <Cepheid> Also, off topic, but if you're a fan of DOOM and DOOM Eternal, and want more DOOM-like gameplay..
21:59 <Cepheid> Check out Prodeus.
22:06 <Cepheid> Thus far, it basically combines DOOM-era map making and graphics with modern shader tech and such.
22:09 <ADragonDreaming> oh, so, like, original Doom.
22:13 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
22:13 <Cepheid> It's in early access, but this is a case of "don't let it fool you, it's pretty well-developed."
22:22 <RichardMist> Hello Cepheid, how are you today?
22:23 <Cepheid> Good. Little tired.
22:25 <RichardMist> How is it going in Monster Hunter?
22:26 * Cepheid noti-
22:26 <Cepheid> Schism!?
22:26 <Cepheid> Geezus cripes! He's got his Discord status set as "Hospitalized. But, don't worry: it's a Canadian hospital, so I'll be fine."
22:27 <NitroTheFurry> Lol
22:27 <RichardMist> Oh, I hope he is okay
22:32 <Cepheid> If I were to hazard a guess, either mental breakdown, or ketoacidosis. I'm leaning towards mental breakdown. He's been under a lot of stress as of late.
22:44 <RichardMist> A lot of stress, damn, it's hard...
22:48 <ADragonDreaming> I just noticed as well.
22:48 <ADragonDreaming> Hopefully she recovers well.
22:49 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #3555 [ https://tinyurl.com/y99qohcn ]
22:52 <Cepheid> Ah, right. My mistake, wrong pronoun. Ow
22:52 <Cepheid> Head's a little distracted.
22:52 <Cepheid> And stressed now.
23:02 <ADragonDreaming> yeh
23:13 <Cepheid> This game is excessively bloody.
23:14 <NitroTheFurry> Which game
23:15 <Cepheid> Prodeus.
23:22 <Finwe> Good evening, everypony.
23:26 <Cepheid> Good evening.
23:32 <RichardMist> Good evening Mr. Finwe
23:32 <RichardMist> *bows*
23:36 <Finwe> Mr RichardMist.
23:36 * Finwe doffs his hat.
23:37 <RichardMist> How is your fay going?
23:37 <Finwe> Fay?
23:38 <RichardMist> day*
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23:38 <RichardMist> just typed too fast
23:38 <Finwe> Umm, I did indeed play Baldur's Gate 2 previusly as elven priest, I guess that counts as fey.
23:40 <RichardMist> heh, interestin'
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23:42 * Ali flops on face, mondays are annoying
23:42 <Lumindia_> frickin' tell me about it
23:42 * Lumindia_ flops on Ali
23:42 * Lumindia_ is a tired pono
23:43 <Cepheid> Huh. Disgaea 6 is moving away from sprites for characters.
23:44 <Cepheid> Going with 3D models combined with a rudimentary sprite shader.
23:46 <Lumindia_> so models rendered to look like sprites?
23:47 <RichardMist> Hello Ali, nice to see you again
23:47 * RichardMist *wavies*
23:49 <Cepheid> Yes.
23:49 <Cepheid> At the moment, it's pretty apparent that they're 3D models with a simple shader applied to create a sprite-like outline.
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