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00:19 * Dappled is horribly offended by the existence of what America accepts as mayonaisse and the fact that every resturaunt insists on it.
00:23 * Angeline sits in front of Dappled.
00:23 * Angeline opens a jar of Miracle Whip and starts eating it by the hoof-ful.
00:24 * Schism eeees... :< She eats miracle whip with fish, or with other things, but alone, noooo...
00:25 * Dappled big eyes at Angeline.
00:25 <Dappled> How could you betray me so!
00:25 <Angeline> Honestly I like Miracle Whip
00:25 <Angeline> Especially on hot chicken or fish
00:25 * Dappled wonders if it's secretly vanilla pudding.
00:32 * Angeline snuggles and watches things.
00:34 * Dappled wonders what Angeline watches. Also brushies.
01:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Say Something Nice About Svengallop [ https://tinyurl.com/yz2as5sh ]
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01:56 <Schism> Dappled...
01:56 <Dappled> Yes?
01:56 <Schism> https://twitter.com/scalzi/status/1383550988552794119
01:57 * Dappled has never had any tapioca pudding except the failed stuff I did back in 8th grade Home Ec.
02:01 * Schism snrks at Mae Dean going 'ohey, my boobs are starting to get in the way now, that's SO COOL'.
02:19 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #2497 [ https://tinyurl.com/yh6aemmh ]
02:24 * Ali facehooves
02:24 * Ali also snugs into Dappled
02:27 * Dappled brushies the Ali friend. Hello again.
02:34 <Schism> Ali: It's silly. X3
02:36 <Schism> Like, most girls (and some guys) are like, "Damnit, these are going to get in the way, aren't they, and they hurt too," and we're all "YAY." instead.
02:37 * Dappled jellies.
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03:29 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Meaningful Tribute Music: Koron Korak - Follow the Little Light (Album Version) [Orchestral] [ https://tinyurl.com/ydo7ajzh ]
03:36 * Dappled sighs dramatically. His IRL DM is leaving for another state and while that game is going to migrate to online at some point and another player is wanting to run either Mage or a homebrew Fallout, I am without my fantasy dungeon crawling.
03:36 * Dappled might have to try pbp again.
03:38 * Ali licks the Dappled nosie
03:38 * Dappled scrunchie nosies.
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03:40 <DerpyBot> *derp*
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03:58 <Golden> I wonder if we will see the Ace in Rise. The one npc hunter with the sword and shield.
03:59 <Dappled> Apex Ace Hunter.
04:01 <Golden> Considering he has fought through how many elder dragon threats I believe he is an Apex.
04:16 * Schism randomly noms upon Surry's base.
04:23 <Schism> "That's a galaxy, Colonel. Hitting center-of-mass won't stop it from charging."
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05:18 <Schism> Infernius is best unicorn. https://www.gocomics.com/phoebe-and-her-unicorn/2021/04/16
05:19 <Schism> (Infernius, the Unicorn of DEATH!)
05:20 <Dappled> I love it.
05:21 <Schism> That potato chip nom at the end.
05:27 <Schism> http://freefall.purrsia.com/ > Yes, perhaps it's best that Florence not wind up with 50,000 cases of willful pollution.
05:54 * Ali flops over Dappled again
05:55 * Dappled brushie the Ali more.
06:13 <Finwe> Good morning, everypony!
06:14 <Finwe> Mlles Ali and Schism; Messrs Dappled, PinkieShy, Cepheid, Golden and AppleDash.
06:14 * Finwe doffs his hat.
06:14 * Ali doffs over Finwe
06:15 * Finwe diffs under Ali.
06:30 * PinkieShy hugs Finwe
06:30 * PinkieShy licks Ali tho
06:35 * Ali squeaks at the PinkieShy
06:41 * Finwe hugs a PinkieShy and an Ali.
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06:59 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
07:00 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift, Capt Koopz.
07:00 <Finwe> o7
07:00 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
07:06 <Koopz> RAdm. Finwe o7
07:10 * Cepheid awakens. Morning.
07:12 <Finwe> Cepheid: The whole circle is 360°, if you divide it into N equal parts then each of them is 360°/N.
07:13 <Ali> Huh, we could be getting snow in April
07:13 <Cepheid> In this case I was doing something a bit arcane with circles.
07:14 <Finwe> Arc-ane. o3o
07:17 <Cepheid> Rather than divide 360 by N, I am dividing the circumference of a circle by a static amount to get a number of segments to draw to keep a certain level of accuracy as the size of the circle increases. Since the circle is being drawn as a set of triangles, and thus is not pixel-perfect.
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07:38 <Cepheid> Not sure how to react to that new bit of information I just learned about cats.
07:38 <Cepheid> Turns out they get sleep paralysis too.
07:39 <Cepheid> Was sitting here quietly, with Spitfire on the chair across from me. When all of a sudden I hear him start making this wailing meowing noise, and he's breathing rapidly, like he's terrified.
07:39 <Cepheid> Went over to check on him. He was fine, but he looked like he saw a ghost.
07:45 <Cepheid> Geezus hells alive.
07:45 <Cepheid> The GPU in the Apple ARM hardware has virtually no hardware support for OpenGL or Vulkan, much less DirectX.
08:06 * Cepheid plays Viy's theme around ConfusionRift.
08:07 <ConfusionRift> Where? Where is it?! (looks below) Why do I hear boss music?!
08:07 * Cepheid hands ConfusionRift the boombox playing the music.
08:08 * Dappled likes Storm Eagle.
08:08 <ConfusionRift> Of all the themes... that one. :P
08:08 <ConfusionRift> Also, random. ^ :P
08:08 <Cepheid> Don't make your most-hated nightmares known to me. :P
08:08 <Dappled> Hello.
08:08 <ConfusionRift> Hey there.
08:08 * Dappled thought we are just talking about good boss themes.
08:09 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pclKnj8_uiw
08:09 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about La-Mulana OST - 30 - In the Bottom (Extended)
08:09 <Cepheid> Oh, I guess that bug was fixed.
08:10 <ConfusionRift> Viy's theme... isn't that good. I would take Palenque or Tiamat any day.
08:10 <Cepheid> I like Viy's theme a lot, myself.
08:10 <Cepheid> But yeah, Tiamat's theme is also nice.
08:10 * ConfusionRift here's in the distance. "...i like the hell temple..." And throws a brick at them.
08:11 <ConfusionRift> No one does, and you know it.
08:12 <Cepheid> Unless we're talking Tearless Challenger, the Spiral Hell's theme from LM2, which uses the Hell Temple as it's basic layout.
08:12 <Cepheid> The theme there's at least decent.
08:12 <Cepheid> Interesting way to go "The ruins started with this theme. It shall end with it."
08:13 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI__BW-btw4
08:13 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about La-Mulana 2 OST extended - Tearless Challenger (Spiral Hell theme)
08:13 * ConfusionRift squints at Cepheid. "We're talking about the LM1 version."
08:13 <Cepheid> Yeah I know.
08:14 <ConfusionRift> Tearless Challenger is pretty good, despite the whiplash I had when I first jumped to the Spiral Hell.
08:14 <Cepheid> Heh.
08:15 <ConfusionRift> Despite the headaches I had the first run with Bahamut, its theme is pretty good as well.
08:15 <Cepheid> I think that he was going for that with the theme.
08:15 <Cepheid> You hear that stinger opening, and it's just...
08:15 <Cepheid> "... [EXPLETIVE REDACTED] you man, gods ---- damnit all to hell."
08:16 <Cepheid> And yeah, Bahamut's theme is... actually pretty well suited for the battle.
08:16 <Cepheid> Still can't believe I managed to kill it with just the axe the other day.
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08:18 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACvJnI8txlM And of course, this theme just works in general, period.
08:18 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
08:18 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Bevor Sie zu YouTube weitergehen
08:18 <ConfusionRift> Actually, I feel the axe is basically the way to go. I don't see it any easier with anything else.
08:18 <Cepheid> ... Aaaand back to stupidity again, eh derps?
08:18 * Cepheid usually uses the flares to take down Bahamut.
08:19 <ConfusionRift> Flares help, but I have a better time with the axe.
08:19 <Cepheid> The issue I have with the axe is that you need to be relatively close. When the path is going straight, this is easy.
08:19 <Cepheid> When it's curving off to the side, it's a bit troublesome.
08:22 * Cepheid thinks.
08:27 * Cepheid starts thinking in 3D. Then 4D.
08:27 * Cepheid explodes.
08:34 * Dappled puts that 5D chess with Multiversal Time Travel in front of Cepheid
08:34 <Cepheid> Heh.
08:34 <Cepheid> In this case, just thinking about what I need for my game at a bare minimum to get something that can be played, while leaving the system extensible.
08:36 <Cepheid> The best system for such a scenario is the Entity Component System. Simple in theory. Complex in practice. Extremely extensible.
08:42 <Cepheid> ECS. Entity Component System. Each entity is just an integer. This integer is associated with components, bundles of data, which are processed by systems. Systems are processors that go over all components they are interested in, and perform some operations on them.
08:46 <Cepheid> An example of a component would be a "GravityComponent". You assign this component to one or more entities. The system for that component simply iterates over all the entities, and applies gravity to the motion vector for the entity.
08:46 <Cepheid> That's all it does.
08:46 <Cepheid> Entities without the component are, not surprisingly, unaffected by gravity.
08:50 <Cepheid> Likewise, an entity can have a "WorldCollider" component, which causes the entity to collide with the world. Without it, you get La-Mulana bats.
08:53 * ConfusionRift urks at them bats.
08:54 <ConfusionRift> The true final boss... that one bat.
08:55 <Cepheid> At a bare minimum, I need, hmm...
08:59 <Cepheid> I'll need something to set the motion vectors based on player input. I'll need gravity, of course. And a collision detector between the entity and the world, which uses a funky as hell system.
09:04 <ConfusionRift> Oh shoot. I just remembered. There's a demo for R-Type.
09:05 <Cepheid> So, I know what components I need. Now I just need to figure out how I'm going to implement this nightmare.
09:09 <Cepheid> The integer ID thing is easy. Just have a class that uses the value of a static variable, then automatically increments it. Easy peasy.
09:14 * Cepheid sighs. Is feeling excrutiatingly groggy.
09:18 <Cepheid> Maybe I need a fan on me, because the reason I feel groggy is I'm boiling all over.
09:19 <ConfusionRift> Hmm, likely, need to refresh.
09:21 <Cepheid> I need a proper office.
09:21 <ConfusionRift> "We're having a bit of an issue with a monster. May need your help." | Hmm, what kind of monster. | "Mizutsune?" | ...I see. (takes bowgun) | "Wait... why not the switchaxe? It's faster and-" | The forest is haunted. | "...huh?" | (tosses bowgun, and takes the heavy one instead) The forest is haunted.
09:21 <Cepheid> Or at least, a desk and a reasonable chair.
09:21 <Cepheid> Heh.
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09:22 <ConfusionRift> I remember the carting from the demo. If I do it with a heavy, the switchaxe would be cake.
09:23 <Cepheid> Don't forget that the demo had you using armor not really designed for hunting Mizu or Magnamalo.
09:24 <ConfusionRift> It was also low rank armor on a high rank monster.
09:25 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
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09:33 <Cepheid> What I need, is a chair like this one I'm sitting on, only ergonomic.
09:33 <Cepheid> It's a kitchen table chair. Metal tube U hoop with smaller metal tube rungs, attached to a minimally-padded seat base.
09:34 <Cepheid> The metal rung nature of it leaves the back open to airflow, which given the way my body works, helps keep me cool.
09:35 <Cepheid> My body heats up when I sit on any chair fully covered in cushioning and cloth. So much so my parents even notice it and have commented on me being particularly flush after a while of sitting on the couch or chair.
09:35 <Cepheid> And when I heat up, I get groggy and/or tired.
09:36 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, this chair? I'm sitting in it, I'm cooling off, and I'm waking up.
09:36 <Cepheid> You know, that's what I should spend the rest of my tax return on. A good chair.
09:37 <Cepheid> With a foldout table for a desk.
09:37 <ConfusionRift> Aaaand, done.
09:37 * Cepheid doesn't have a lot of room left in their bedroom for a proper desk and chair, so foldout would allow storage.
09:38 * ConfusionRift would like to get a new chair and desk. They're both falling apart.
09:38 <Cepheid> I wonder how much of my exhaustion these days is just from me sitting on my couch and burning up when I play on my PC?
09:39 <Cepheid> All I know, is that whatever I pick for a chair, it needs an open backing to it.
09:40 <Cepheid> Alas, the biggest problem right now is that any chair I pick, I should at least try out if I can. And that requires going to the stores, which isn't viable.
09:42 <Cepheid> Hum.
09:42 <Cepheid> Examining my current seating situation..
09:43 <Cepheid> The table needs to be somewhat wide, but not too deep. I rest my forearms on the table at an angle from the laptop.
09:43 <Cepheid> The chair meanwhile, can probably just be a typical kitchen chair, as I seem quite comfortable with the setup I have now.
09:44 <Cepheid> https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B001D25TJQ?tag=tglcomca-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1 This table would suffice.
09:45 <Cepheid> And I know their quality is decent. I've seen those in use, and have poked them in practice. They're pretty solid.
09:48 <ConfusionRift> They are decent, and really have to push them to break. As a basic work table, it works.
09:48 <Cepheid> And given I don't need anything fancy, and would prefer something that can be stored easily, it'd work.
09:48 <Cepheid> Which just leaves the chair.
09:49 <Cepheid> Alas, I cannot steal this chair I am sitting on.
09:51 <Cepheid> Hum, I wonder how those chairs would fair with me. We have a bunch of fold out lawn chairs downstairs, they're made of a simple thin layered cloth. They're comfy, and I can use my laptop on my lap with them. Given their thin cloth design, I wonder if I'd overheat in them.
09:51 <Cepheid> Mind, they aren't suited for working at a desk as they sink quite a bit.
09:52 <Cepheid> https://www.ikea.com/ca/en/p/omtaenksam-chair-anthracite-10474338/ ... Why the **** is this $149?
09:54 <Cepheid> https://www.ikea.com/ca/en/p/lerhamn-chair-light-antique-stain-vittaryd-beige-20268639/ This meanwhile would probably be an ideal work chair.
09:54 <Cepheid> For me anyway.
09:57 * ConfusionRift also wonders why something akin to an office stool is 3 times more expensive than a basic yet nice dining room chair.
09:57 <Cepheid> Heh.
09:58 <Cepheid> Bleh. I'm just not in the mood to code today. Maybe I should just leave it be.
10:02 <ConfusionRift> https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/millberget-swivel-chair-bomstad-black-40331705/ Doesn't look bad, and costs the same as the similar at Walmart. The one that breaks in a week.
10:03 <Cepheid> Yeah, those chairs I am not fond of.
10:03 <Cepheid> They overheat me.
10:04 <ConfusionRift> Was gonna mention the faux leather. I know for a fact they are garbage. You either burn up, stick to them, or they fall apart fast.
10:04 <ConfusionRift> Likely all of the above.
10:04 <Cepheid> In my case, all of the above.
10:05 <Cepheid> I have NO idea what it is with the oil on my skin, but it eats away at faux leather like nothing else.
10:05 <Cepheid> I have ruined multiple pairs of headphones because of it.
10:05 <Cepheid> Hey, hey you know what else might help me focus a bit?
10:05 <ConfusionRift> Fabric ones lose their cushioning quick, and require even more attention. Oh, and they ain't cheap either.
10:05 <Cepheid> If I took my medication.
10:07 <Cepheid> Oop. Opened window, forgot Spitfire likes that, and his bed on the perch is covered in garbage(Not literal garbage, just stuff he doesn't like.)
10:08 <Cepheid> Cat. Doesn't use the perch when the window is closed, but when it's open, he's in love with it.
10:08 <ConfusionRift> Probably the breeze.
10:09 <Cepheid> Not the breeze. The smells.
10:09 <Cepheid> Even if there's no breeze, he likes being in front of an open window.
10:10 <Cepheid> At first I thought maybe he was just interested in the squirrels. Nope. He doesn't sit on the perch when the window is closed at all, even if he can see outside.
10:10 <Cepheid> He just likes the noises and smells, I guess.
10:12 <Cepheid> Hum, do I want to try clearing the Depraved Sanctuary with my classless character one more time? Last time I did it, it took 30 minutes to do, because the boss of the place has a staggering 22,000 HP, regenerates relatively quickly, and I do at most 80-90 damage a shot to it.
10:18 <Cepheid> I think the game is confused.
10:18 <Cepheid> It's not sure what to drop for me, gear-wise, because I have no classes assigned. I suspect the game gears the gear towards what your class is.
10:18 <Cepheid> Because right now, it's dropping all sorts of stuff, especially stuff I can't use.
10:19 <Cepheid> I just received another Gunslinger's Jacket. That's two I have.
10:21 <ConfusionRift> Nah, sounds about right. :P
10:21 * ConfusionRift often gets weapons that differ from his preference or class.
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10:27 <Cepheid> Oh gods damnit this one has 25,000 HP now, because I gained a level.
10:30 <ConfusionRift> Charms! (sees their prices) ...chaaarms...
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10:32 <Cepheid> Aaaand Salazar drops sweet eff-all again.
10:34 <Cepheid> And here's where things get difficult with classless.
10:34 <Cepheid> See, the basic class skill provides stats when you pump it.
10:34 <Cepheid> Without that, I am seriously understatted for equipment.
10:34 <ConfusionRift> Huh, so that's why they're urging me to move to the guild hall quests.
10:35 <ConfusionRift> Yeah, going classless seems tricky. Not because of the lack of skills, but those are extra stats you'll need.
10:36 <ConfusionRift> Huh... of course. Tigrex and Diablos in the same rank. Awesome.
10:37 <Cepheid> I have the levels to use the gear I'm seeing.
10:37 <Cepheid> But not the stats.
10:37 <ConfusionRift> I forgot, there's also that issue.
10:40 * ConfusionRift has an objective. "I need those charms."
10:50 <Cepheid> Hey Ulgrim, who is totally a noble chef and not an assassin or potential divine being/immortal.
10:57 <Cepheid> And no, it's never expressly stated what exactly he is. It's heavily implied though that he may not be human, though.
10:59 <Cepheid> He's described as having combat skill that exceeds even the best of the best of the kingdom, and history regarding the royal assassin has apparently indicated that it's been the same person for quite a while. Like, a long while.
11:01 <Cepheid> The inquisitor also makes it sound like he's extremely important, as if his loss during the Loghorrean fight was a greater blow to humanity than what would have happened if the Loghorrean hadn't been defeated.
11:02 <Cepheid> Lastly, he survives SINGLEHANDEDLY in the realm of chaos, a task even the player, with their special status and skills, has trouble doing. Even if he was driven slightly mad.
11:03 <Cepheid> Plus, Ulgrim himself also makes comments that seem weird, such as talking as though he was around the first time the Loghorrean was summoned into the world.
11:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #2269 [ https://tinyurl.com/yhswuwan ]
11:12 <Cepheid> Whelp. Took me 18 levels, but I made it to Burrwitch without any classes.
11:12 <ConfusionRift> 0_0
11:29 <Cepheid> I'm gonna regret what I'm about to do, but it needs to be tried.
11:29 * Cepheid goes to take a cold shower.
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11:49 <RazorSharpFang> Hey heys
11:49 <Cepheid> Aaaand that did nothing, so I'm just gonna set up my bed for comfort, lay down, and see what happens.
12:04 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: GoFundMe Resources to Help Victims of the Indianapolis Shooting [ https://tinyurl.com/ygfmv7a7 ]
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12:10 <Cepheid> Hullo Razor.
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12:11 * Cepheid applies ice to self.
12:11 <ConfusionRift> Hey there.
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12:13 <ConfusionRift> Huh, someone trying to make a faster and more fluid Pulseman game.
12:14 <Cepheid> I for some gods damned reason have the Ballad of Bilbo Baggins stuck in my head.
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12:16 * ConfusionRift has got Heavy stuck in his head for some time.
12:18 * Cepheid puts on The Heavy - What Makes A Good Man
12:19 <ConfusionRift> Wrong song, but still a good one.
12:20 <Cepheid> I know.
12:24 <Cepheid> Makes me want to shoot a megalomaniacial, egotistical, self-centered psychopath in the head though. Should play through Borderlands 2 again sometime.
12:25 <ConfusionRift> I mean... that's what they want, especially that one bandit. :P
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12:28 <Cepheid> Interestingly that's not who I was speaking of. I was talking of one who goes out of his way to make himself deserve the shot.
12:28 <ConfusionRift> Aah... him. Yes.
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12:34 <Cepheid> Literally designed and voiced in such a way that by the time you come face-to-face with him, you would have to do everything in your power to not shoot him in the face.
12:35 <Cepheid> Attributes that the Calypso Twins share with him.
12:36 <Cepheid> Interestingly though it isn't the personalities that make me want to murder those two. It's the TikToking they do.
12:37 <ConfusionRift> I was gonna mention...
12:38 <ConfusionRift> He found ways to get under one's skin by actions, and other ridiculous things in the middle. The third game explained some, and made me dislike him even more. Now... the twins. I just hated them because they were just annoying.
12:38 <Cepheid> It's like, the music, the sound effects, and content. I just want to murder them for the videos alone because they are so annoying.
12:39 <ConfusionRift> Everything about them annoyed me, as you said. Just about every single aspect, which is pretty bad as antagonists.
12:40 <ConfusionRift> Kinda made auto-ejected the whole emotional thing towards the end.
12:41 <Cepheid> It's like dealing with a youtuber who is popular just because they act like an idiot. So basically PewDiePie x2.
12:43 <ConfusionRift> Nah. I see them as those youtubers and streamers who get their popularity by harassing people, and doing obviously harmful "pranks".
12:45 * ConfusionRift kinda puts PewDiePie next to that category, simply because he dislikes him as well.
12:45 <Cepheid> Ah yes. The "It was just a prank bro" bros.
12:46 <Cepheid> Nevermind what they did may have broken numerous laws, and possibly damaged the property of their target.
12:46 <ConfusionRift> Yep, those.
12:47 <RazorSharpFang> *nukes country* "Why you mad? It's just a prank UwU"
12:47 <Cepheid> And their idea of pranks... I recall one "prank" that involved spilling coffee on someone's very expensive laptop.
12:48 <Cepheid> If someone did that to me... I guarantee there would be a bloody nose involved.
12:48 <Cepheid> Especially so if they pulled the "It was just a prank bro" card.
12:49 <ConfusionRift> Nah, I would give them my laptop... my making them eat it.
12:49 <ConfusionRift> Oh goodness, it's already boiling my blood.
12:50 <Cepheid> Welcome to why I don't watch youtubers and pranksters. Even if I am not the victim, my temper flares when I see such stupid *yay*.
12:51 * ConfusionRift slowly nods.
12:51 <Cepheid> I legitimately think a part of my anger problem is that I've got some pretty strong empathy.
12:52 <Cepheid> When I see someone agitated, I get agitated. When I see someone sad, I get sad, and so on.
12:52 <Cepheid> The one area this doesn't seem to work is anything relating to comedy humor.
12:53 <Cepheid> Especially tropish humor. Hence why I think youtubers and such don't... entertain me, mostly.
12:54 <Cepheid> I envy people who have control over their emotions. My empathy is... frustratingly impossible to control.
12:55 <Cepheid> I have to remove myself from the living room when my parents watch certain shows. Not because I don't like the shows, but because a character acts a certain way, or shows a certain emotion, which overwhelmingly makes me feel terrible emotionally.
12:57 <ConfusionRift> Ah, well, now you understand why I don't watch horror movies. Well, it's mostly because they're predictable everything goes wrong by the stupidest of things.
12:57 <Cepheid> Mmm.
12:57 <Cepheid> Basically, the worst shows for me are drama shows. Particularly law & order types.
12:57 <Cepheid> Next up are canned laughter comedy type shows.
12:58 <Cepheid> The law & order type shows really try their best to get you to hate the suspects and/or lawyers.
12:58 <Cepheid> So the personalities such people give off in those shows... It angers me. A lot.
12:58 <ConfusionRift> Like a certain very popular show... some about creation and theory or the other. Don't remember, pffftt.
12:58 <Cepheid> Heh.
12:58 <Cepheid> That show pisses me off.
12:58 <ConfusionRift> Same.
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12:59 <ConfusionRift> The worst kind of comedy shows are the ones that aren't funny.
12:59 <Cepheid> Interestingly, I'd be fine with it were it not for the lead character.
12:59 <RazorSharpFang> If something's popular, it's obviously correct; that's why it's popular.
12:59 <ConfusionRift> ...no. No, sir. Just... no.
13:00 <Cepheid> What happens is I begin to feel the expected emotion that one would feel in dealing with a holier-than-thou-I-am-superior-and-here-is-the-proof type of person.
13:00 <Cepheid> That is, I experience agitation, irritation, and a want to punch that person.
13:01 <Cepheid> The Big Bang Theory's jokes aren't... bad, if you can understand them. Part of understanding them requires knowing esoteric *YAY* that you don't normally learn in elementary, grade and high school.
13:02 <Cepheid> But they're all ruined by often being spouted by someone whose design is to irritate other people.
13:02 * ConfusionRift shrugs. "Despite the character in question, I still don't find them funny."
13:03 <ConfusionRift> Using that sort of humor is hard to make some sort of punchline for, and I feel they just don't get them right.
13:03 <Cepheid> In any case, it's things like that, that I don't watch TV shows. Hilariously enough, the reason I stopped watching MLP past season five or so wasn't because it got boring, but because of my empathy.
13:04 <Cepheid> The constant high-low-high-low rollercoaster of emotions got to be too much.
13:04 <Cepheid> The show regularly laid on some emotions a little too thickly to get their point across.
13:04 * ConfusionRift just had it on the back burner... did he left the stove on this whole time? Huh, oh well.
13:06 <Cepheid> Like, a character does something wrong, and sometimes the emotional reaction of others around them is so heavily skewed towards making that individual feel bad. Or perhaps a character does something embarassing, and the entire town rallies to make them feel embarassed about it.
13:06 <Cepheid> I should bring this up with the psych.
13:06 <Cepheid> It's clear it's not just anger that flares brightly. It's other emotions, too, due to possible hyper-empathy.
13:07 <Cepheid> And oh gods.
13:07 <Cepheid> Let's not even start with how I feel after I've gone on one of my rampages.
13:07 <Cepheid> Once I come down from the temper high, my mind rewinds and plays it all back, and then suddenly I feel the emotions EVERYONE ELSE WAS FEELING as I was raging.
13:07 <Cepheid> Possibly misperceived emotions.
13:08 <Cepheid> Which is why I always question why you people continue to put up with me for the record. I look back on what I did, and I start to "feel" the emotions you did, possibly far stronger than you did, and of course, these are negative emotions, and it makes me wonder..
13:08 <Cepheid> How do you deal with it?
13:09 * Cepheid is in self-analysis mode. Huzzah.
13:14 <Cepheid> I'm burning again. Hot enough it hurts.
13:14 <RazorSharpFang> I spent most of today looking at wireshark captures.
13:14 <Cepheid> How'd that go?
13:15 <RazorSharpFang> I am sick of Allen-Bradley EtherNet/IP CIP
13:15 <RazorSharpFang> And I have learned that our OPC-DA server is just straight-up lying to us.
13:15 <Cepheid> Heh.
13:15 <RazorSharpFang> S_OK (Status-OK) Success (0x0) - but it didn't even send out the Service Write Request.
13:16 <Cepheid> It had to have sent something to get a status OK response. You sure it's not being filtered out by wireshark, or a libpcap filter during recording?
13:17 <Cepheid> Otherwise, you've got spurious S_OKs being sent, which is a problem.
13:17 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah. It's also suspicious that it's returning immediately despite the device being 20ms away
13:18 <RazorSharpFang> Its own diagnostics log says S_OK 0x0
13:18 <Cepheid> Does the logging functionality support logging that it received messages of a specific type?
13:19 <RazorSharpFang> Receive? This is the OPC-DA server making the request.
13:19 <RazorSharpFang> On our behalf, and yes, that's logged too.
13:19 <Cepheid> Okay.
13:20 <Cepheid> I wish I could help a bit more here, but there's only so much I can do, unless I am taken on as a contractor or freelancer, due to NDA and all that.
13:20 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, pretty much. We'll raise a ticket with the OPC server company and see what their take is
13:20 <Cepheid> I love doing data analysis and networking stuff like you're doing.
13:21 <Cepheid> I'd gladly take over the network internals stuff for you if I could.
13:21 <RazorSharpFang> You'd have to go to the mine-sites physically
13:21 <Cepheid> Which would, of course, be a bit hard for me.
13:21 <Cepheid> Would be a nice trip to another country though. o3o
13:22 <Cepheid> Though I suspect I'd not be allowed in.
13:22 <RazorSharpFang> Probably. Lots of restrictions these days
13:22 <Cepheid> Besides COVID-19 concerns, I understand that Australia doesn't like to take any chances with anything invasive getting into the country.
13:22 <Cepheid> And currently, I have an illness with an unknown cause.
13:23 * ConfusionRift flops, has to sleep for work.
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13:23 <Cepheid> Latesr Rifty.
13:25 * Cepheid just screams.
13:26 <Cepheid> I want to get back to work on various bits of software I've written in the past.
13:29 <RazorSharpFang> Vale South-America is skyrocketting in price. Wonder why.
13:33 <Cepheid> No idea.
13:34 * Cepheid researches an old protocol they once worked with. ASTERIX.
13:35 <RazorSharpFang> Maybe you would be good with PLC style code. There's an open PLC software suite called CoDeSys
13:37 <Cepheid> Heh.
13:37 <Cepheid> ASTERIX is... It's a protocol for dealing with aerospace radars. It's a little on the old side, but still used. NAVCAN had me working with it for their purposes.
13:42 <Cepheid> Very straightforward. Header describing the category of the data, and the length of the data. Then an extensible field specifier called an FSPEC, which uses one bit to describe whether a given data block exists or not, with one bit used to extend the FSPEC if needed. Then the blocks of data. They come in the order specified in the FSPEC, so you don't have to worry about checking what type of block it is, and so on.
13:42 <Cepheid> Does have some oddities, but it gets the job done.
13:44 <Cepheid> The main problem with it being that the data is densely packed, so bit fields are everywhere. You want a language that allows specifying bitfields in structures, which means C or C++ with GNU extensions.
13:44 <Cepheid> As I believe bitfields are GNU extensions.
13:45 <Cepheid> Oh, no. It's standard C/C++. Huh.
13:45 <RazorSharpFang> Can you not do the same thing with C#?
13:46 <Cepheid> Not in C#.
13:46 <Cepheid> C# doesn't support bitfields.
13:47 <Cepheid> You can, however, get around the issue with properties,
13:48 <Cepheid> When I say bitfields, I mean how you can do struct SomeStruct { int32_t bitfield1 : 16; int32_t bitfield2 : 16; };
13:48 <RazorSharpFang> I've not seen that syntax before
13:49 <Cepheid> It basically says "This element in the structure is N bits."
13:49 <Cepheid> A better example would be the following: struct SomeStruct { int8_t bitfield1 : 4; int8_t bitfield2 : 4; };
13:50 <Cepheid> In this case, I split a single byte up into two 4-bit fields.
13:50 <Cepheid> The range is handled accordingly, thus, you can get under and overflows, and so on.
13:51 <RazorSharpFang> Hmm, I guess you could do the same thing with properties and accessors.
13:51 <Cepheid> If you don't use up the entire item, the rest of the bits are just treated as padding.
13:51 <RazorSharpFang> I think I do that in my PLC-communications code, where you can "read" the same chunk of memory as a Float32, Int32 etc
13:51 <Cepheid> Yeah, the only problem is that you'd have to store the data as "word1" "word2" "word3" and so on, and use bit operators on them.
13:52 <Cepheid> Basically, you'd be re-implementing the logic the compiler generates for the bitfield stuff in C# code.
13:52 <Cepheid> Because under the hood, it basically just does a bunch of bit manipulation for you.
13:53 <Cepheid> Bitfields basically show their real power when dealing with protocols.
13:53 <RazorSharpFang> You mean like "The first bit tells you whether it's a request or a response, the next 7 bits indicate the service-code requester or responding to, etc.
13:54 <Cepheid> Since data over the line is often compacted together as much as possible, with as little padding or alignment as possible, you can use bitfields to recreate the data format in a structure. When time comes to read the data, you just assign the address of the data to a pointer of the type of structure.
13:54 <Cepheid> More or less.
13:54 <RazorSharpFang> Nothing quite like offsets...
13:54 <Cepheid> Implementing ASTERIX in C# would be a nightmare.
13:54 <Cepheid> Fun, though.
13:55 <RazorSharpFang> Just build a C++ interpreter and interpret the C++ code. :3
13:55 <Cepheid> Heh.
13:55 <RazorSharpFang> What about an implementation in a language like Lua tho?
13:55 <Cepheid> It's kind of surprising C# doesn't have support for bitfields.
13:55 <Cepheid> It can be done in any language, really. So long as you got bit manipulation.
13:57 <Cepheid> Damn. Now I want to go and write an application that simulates a radar sending ASTERIX reports, then write an application that receives them and displays the simulated data.
14:03 <Cepheid> I want to code, but the problem is I don't want to code for a game today, that's why I can't work on my game.
14:07 <Cepheid> Well, okay. Supposing I want to implement a simulated radar and software that receives data from it, I need to simulate some planes flying around first.
14:09 <RazorSharpFang> Either that or use one of the public APIs for delayed air traffic.
14:11 <Cepheid> It'd be nice if I could just get a pcap recording of some flight data from ages ago.
14:16 <RazorSharpFang> We have around... 590 nuclear bombs or so
14:17 <Cepheid> Heh.
14:17 <RazorSharpFang> I don't think that's enough to clear the rest of nauvis.
14:18 <Cepheid> Not even close.
14:38 <Cepheid> The more I think about how it might be implemented, the less and less C# seems like a good match for implementing an interpreter for ASTERIX data.
14:39 <Cepheid> ASTERIX was designed with C/C++ and bitfields in mind. Other features necessary include unions.
14:39 <Cepheid> Those can be implemented in C# using a hack, though.
14:39 <Cepheid> bitfields not so much.
14:39 <Cepheid> Sort of, anyways.
14:40 <RazorSharpFang> You could always use properties and the BitConverter class.
14:40 <Cepheid> But combining bitfields and unions together into a single setup? Aaaahahahaha.
14:41 <Cepheid> Oh, sure, BitConverter can work. For fields that have bit depths that are multiples of 8.
14:41 <Cepheid> When I say the fields are densely packed, I mean it.
14:41 <RazorSharpFang> Oh no.
14:41 <Cepheid> Some fields will be 2 bits in the structure. Others 1 bit, 3 bits, 4 bits and so on.
14:41 <Cepheid> And there won't be padding between them to round them out to byte boundaries.
14:41 <Cepheid> So you have to carefully extract everything. That's why C/C++ bitfields are a godsend for it.
14:41 <RazorSharpFang> You'd interpreting them as if all the other non-specified bits are 0 eh?
14:41 <Cepheid> Yes.
14:42 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah that's tough
14:42 <Cepheid> They try to avoid having fields cross byte boundaries, but it still happens.
14:42 <Cepheid> And then of course there are cases where you need unions, because the format following a header will be entirely different based on one value in the header.
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14:43 <Cepheid> Basically, for this to work in C#, there'd need to be Encode and Decode methods for each data structure.
14:44 <Cepheid> Hell, even WITH bitfields in C/C++, such setups were still required because some structures had variable length data.
14:44 <RazorSharpFang> You'd have to write special structures for a reimplementation of bitfields...
14:44 <LibrarianofHope> i might have an out of insuranc
14:44 <RazorSharpFang> I guess you could implement the classes in C/C++ and P/Invoke them into a C# context.
14:44 <LibrarianofHope> im being offered a chance to build a painting studio for commisions
14:44 <LibrarianofHope> i might actually be free
14:45 <RazorSharpFang> For commissions?
14:45 <LibrarianofHope> yeah
14:45 <LibrarianofHope> some people play, but hate the painting bit
14:45 <LibrarianofHope> they pay you to paint them stuff
14:46 <LibrarianofHope> im talking mininaitures by the way
14:47 <Cepheid> I figured. You mentioned doing that over the course of the last few days.
14:47 <Cepheid> But yeah, commission work is good. Just... don't do what many people do, and undersell yourself. Don't oversell yourself either.
14:47 <LibrarianofHope> that needs testing
14:48 <LibrarianofHope> gonna need some finetuning, but im nothing if not patient
14:49 <Cepheid> One thing I really, really advise though?
14:50 <Cepheid> Don't ever take work with the promise of exposure as payment.
14:50 <Cepheid> For gods sake, don't do that. It's a gateway to people walking over you.
14:51 <LibrarianofHope> course not
14:51 <LibrarianofHope> half up front at least
14:55 <LibrarianofHope> now i have to take insurance class, cuase im still not free
14:55 <LibrarianofHope> see ya in a bit
14:55 <RazorSharpFang> see ya
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15:01 <Cepheid> I just don't feel like doing anything today. I think I'll just sit here and read until I'm exhausted naturally, for a change.
15:08 <Cepheid> Especially as the headache is coming in.
15:09 <RazorSharpFang> But are you okay to relax?
15:12 <RazorSharpFang> I'm getting advertisements for... gold? For like, investing?
15:14 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Show Song Remix: Daniel Ingram - Hearts as Strong as Horses (Songbird Choir Remix) [Alternative ELectronic/Orchestral] [ https://tinyurl.com/yjnw26h9 ]
15:40 <Cepheid> Headache's getting worse from staring at that.
15:40 <RazorSharpFang> Fair enough
15:44 <Cepheid> The person behind LLVMpipe managed to get DOOM 2016 to run. Being a CPU implementation of Vulkan, it...
15:44 <Cepheid> It takes 5-6 seconds to render a frame.
15:47 <RazorSharpFang> Huh
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16:45 <Nedemai> I wanted to give Ali some hugs but they aren't around D:
17:02 <Schism> There is nothing about this week which has been anything less than an unmitigated disaster.
17:03 <Schism> Made all the worse by the fact that somehow, one of our primary internal systems has been completely offline since FRIDAY, leaving us unable to fulfill a core part of why people actually CALL US.
17:12 <Cepheid> Sushi for dinner. Nomnom.
17:14 <Cepheid> Topped off with draining infected mucus into my throat. Yum.
17:24 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Future 64 / Like Mother Like Son / Valiance Rising / Stable Shorts 132-133 / Fusions 2:7 / Revolution 1:47 / Wine 43 / Movie Slate: VPN [ https://tinyurl.com/yk2frety ]
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17:53 * Schism gets herself something to eat. Nothing huge. Bowl of shredded wheat, bit of jam, glass of milk, stick of cheese.
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18:44 <Cepheid> My left eye hurts like hell and strangely, my heart is tumbling and thumping like mad. Wonder if the two are related.
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19:26 <Finwe> o3o
19:26 <Finwe> Good evening, everypony!
19:26 <Finwe> Mlles Ali and Schism; Messrs AppleDash, Cepheid, Nedemai and Tirek.
19:27 * Finwe doffs his hat.
19:27 <Finwe> I now have Arch running under WSL2. o3o
19:31 <Nedemai> doffs uh... hair
19:31 <Nedemai> lol
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20:05 <Schism> H...okay. Given first name, which I use for professional reasons, is 'Dennis'. Today might be the first time someone's ever misheard that as 'Janice'.
20:05 <Schism> I'm amazed it didn't happen before.
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20:16 * Dappled orders pizza.
20:16 * Cepheid burns. Feverish ATM.
20:24 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #3669 [ https://tinyurl.com/yfpextur ]
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20:38 * LibrarianofHope glomps ali for great justice
20:38 * Ali squeaks
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20:40 <Finwe> Mr LibrarianofHope.
20:40 * Finwe doffs his hat.
20:41 * LibrarianofHope doffs toast
20:53 * LibrarianofHope gives gold hat to Ali
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20:58 <PonyToast> omg finwe
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20:59 <LibrarianofHope> we once had a guy called Water
20:59 <LibrarianofHope> i inmediatly did this
20:59 * LibrarianofHope drink water
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21:13 <Cepheid> Apparently someone ordered Wendy's and it was delivered to my house. I didn't even know since they didn't even ring the doorbell, so the food is cold and probably spoiled.
21:15 <LibrarianofHope> trhpw it away,
21:15 <LibrarianofHope> feign ignorance?
21:19 <PinkieShy> Learned last night my alarm clock was losing time.
21:19 <PinkieShy> It lost like 5 minutes of time completely and the twin bell striker wasn't working as good..
21:20 <PinkieShy> Replaced the battery and that thing is so much louder :D
21:20 <PinkieShy> Learned my lesson about that situation though.. I'm not buying batteries at dollar tree no more..
21:23 <LibrarianofHope> the amazon ones are good
21:30 <ADragonDreaming> Coworker, talking about a call, in the interest of getting assistance: "The way they're explaining what's happening is confusing."
21:30 <ADragonDreaming> So I wait like 3 minutes, expecting, you know. What htey're saying.
21:30 <ADragonDreaming> Finally have to prompt them for it.
21:30 <ADragonDreaming> Oi vey.
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22:00 <LibrarianofHope> head hurts
22:00 <LibrarianofHope> been hurting a lot
22:00 <LibrarianofHope> i probably reached burnout again
22:00 * LibrarianofHope polishes Ali
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22:36 <Lumindia> henlo
22:36 <Lumindia> o wo
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22:43 <LibrarianofHope> took the doggie girl for them walkies
22:43 <LibrarianofHope> its hot today
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23:23 <LibrarianofHope> new people
23:23 <LibrarianofHope> neat
23:23 <LibrarianofHope> hi
23:51 * Schism awakens, sees the clock is at 7:00. "Ah, clearly I've had a full night's sleep, and I should be preparing for the new day."
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