00:00 <Princess-Luna> Well yeah, it's all very sparse...it's a rushed Launch, and nobody can tell me otherwise.
00:00 <Princess-Luna> the whole thing was rather haphazard
00:00 <Librarian> should have come witht the console
00:00 <Princess-Luna> 'extra money', Librarian.
00:00 <Golden> Welp good to know I should keep my mouth shut in here about Zelda BotW.
00:00 <Princess-Luna> Golden: Oh don't./
00:00 <Librarian> no spoliers!
00:00 <Starlight_Glimmer> Also the Switch has a couple of design flaws
00:00 <Librarian> or i smack thee
00:01 <Sombra> Yeah like that stupid joy-con wrist strap!
00:01 <Starlight_Glimmer> I wonder if they'll do a Switch Plus eventually
00:01 <Princess-Luna> Zelda BOTW IS a good game, and nobody here will criticise your enjoyment of that
00:01 <Sombra> Little laggy at times...
00:01 <Snapai> Unless you're talking about enjoying its flavor
00:01 <Starlight_Glimmer> It's the system seller
00:01 <Snapai> Unless you're a dog.
00:01 <Librarian> woof woof
00:01 <Snapai> Apparently dogs like bitter flavors, including bitterent
00:01 <Starlight_Glimmer> Basically the switch right now is a Zelda machine
00:01 <Sombra> Tru
00:01 <Princess-Luna> <@Princess-Luna> Well yeah, it's all very sparse...it's a rushed Launch, and nobody can tell me otherwise.<@Princess-Luna> the whole thing was rather haphazard
00:01 <Princess-Luna> comes down to that
00:02 <Sombra> I just... I dunno why they didn't just make a more powerful stationary system...
00:02 <Princess-Luna> Thats not their interest
00:02 <Starlight_Glimmer> Would bring them into a bad position
00:02 <Librarian> thtas what sony and xbox are for
00:02 <Sombra> And then come out with zelda, a full title pokermans game, smash bros, and a new mario game at launch
00:02 <Sombra> Then everyone woulda bought it.
00:02 <Starlight_Glimmer> They can't compete with MS and Sony
00:02 <Sombra> Right but sony and xbox don't have mary-o or pokermans
00:02 <Princess-Luna> Not very many can now
00:02 <Sombra> or zelda
00:02 <Starlight_Glimmer> The handheld was the right choice
00:02 <Ali> They can, they just don't try to be on the same level
00:02 <Golden> I wasn't going to spoil anything. Also Sombra everyone DID BUY IT
00:02 <Sombra> or danky kang
00:02 <Starlight_Glimmer> Making a 2-in-1 was a smart idea
00:03 <Starlight_Glimmer> I give Nintendo a lot of credit for that
00:03 <Ali> Nintendo has always tried to be different than the rest
00:03 <Ali> Then again, look at the handhelds
00:03 <Snapai> 2-in-1 game?
00:03 <Princess-Luna> Nintendo CRUSH it at handhelds
00:03 <Snapai> Like Super Mario Bros / Donkey Kong?
00:03 <Ali> 3DS beats the living crap out of the Vita
00:03 <Starlight_Glimmer> Sadly the implementation isn't great
00:03 <Sombra> danky gang
00:03 <Librarian> poor vita
00:03 <Sombra> danky kang
00:03 <Starlight_Glimmer> Snapai: Portable and stationary at the same time
00:03 <Princess-Luna> nobody has ever been able to really sell a handheld game system like nintendo
00:03 <Snapai> Switch is a handheld. And a TV console.
00:03 <Librarian> soo much lost potential
00:03 <Sombra> Well
00:04 * Saerydoth is boycotting Nintendo so won't be getting a Switch regardless
00:04 <Sombra> It's a handheld, that connects to the TV.
00:04 <Princess-Luna> Saerydoth: What, exactly, for?
00:04 <Sombra> Lets not get confused.
00:04 <Snapai> Why are you boycotting Nintendo.
00:04 <Saerydoth> AM2R
00:04 <Princess-Luna> Oh christ, stop.
00:04 <Snapai> The videos of people whispering?
00:04 <Saerydoth> I did stop
00:04 <SaultSteMarie> What's AM2R?
00:04 <Saerydoth> I stopped buying Nintendo products, and I will never buy another
00:04 <Saerydoth> ;P
00:04 <Librarian> metroid remake
00:04 <Princess-Luna> It's silly
00:04 <Saerydoth> I don't do business with companies that spit on their fans
00:04 <Princess-Luna> Nintendo had the rights, full stop.
00:04 <Librarian> she is angry nintendo shut it down
00:05 <Starlight_Glimmer> Saerydoth: Stop watching MLP
00:05 <Saerydoth> doesn't matter if they had the legal right, that's beside the point
00:05 <Snapai> Saery's a she now?
00:05 <Princess-Luna> it's teh whole point
00:05 <Saerydoth> not last time I checked O_o
00:05 <Sombra> Sandy's a girl?
00:05 <Librarian> owo
00:05 * SaultSteMarie grabs scissors.
00:05 <Librarian> ma bsd
00:05 <Librarian> mai bad
00:05 <Golden> So you stopped buying companies products, over a game remake. Not to mention it is dumb as hell to do that, but why the hell would they care if you don't buy anything from them?
00:05 <Saerydoth> someone made a fan Sonic game. Sega had the legal right to shut it down. What did they do?
00:05 <Snapai> If it ventures into trademark territory they're required to <.<
00:06 <Saerydoth> they said "this is awesome, we'll host it for you, and we'll hire you to make more"
00:06 <Princess-Luna> Sega shut down the sonic 2 remake.
00:06 <Starlight_Glimmer> Snapai: Well you could give a free license
00:06 <Saerydoth> ^
00:06 <Sombra> Well, to be fair, it'd be really hard to make a sonic game worse than sonic has ever done.
00:06 <Starlight_Glimmer> They have to take some action though that's correct
00:06 <Sombra> Worse than *sega
00:06 <Starlight_Glimmer> Smart devs just don't use trademarks
00:06 <Saerydoth> I've personally given it to 15 people though, and so far I managed to get 2 people to cancel Switch preorders
00:06 <Princess-Luna> http://www.wired.co.uk/article/sega-shuts-down-streets-of-rage-remake
00:07 <Sombra> I guess enough people needed to play zelda.
00:07 <Saerydoth> because in addition to the system, well sucking, it doesn't have any games to speak of, and Zelda is an unoptimized mess
00:07 <Ali> SANIC 06!
00:07 <Saerydoth> the new Zelda is horrible. It's completely unplayable, even if I owned the system I wouldn't buy it
00:07 <Princess-Luna> It's really untrue.
00:07 <Sombra> The new zelda is probably the best zelda game ever.
00:07 <Princess-Luna> people have played and beaten Zelda comfortably
00:07 <Starlight_Glimmer> Companies beyond a certain scale just automagically become dongs. That sadly comes with scale and lawyers
00:07 <Saerydoth> 20-30fps
00:07 <Princess-Luna> you're exhaggerating
00:07 <Saerydoth> lol
00:07 <Saerydoth> it's a slideshow
00:07 <Princess-Luna> No?
00:07 <Saerydoth> I've seen it
00:07 <Sombra> 30fps on a console game, unthinkable!
00:07 <Princess-Luna> No, you're exhaggerating
00:08 <Saerydoth> no, I've seen it
00:08 <Saerydoth> actually I saw the switch version drop to 17 at quite a few points
00:08 <Saerydoth> the wii u version is even worse
00:08 <Starlight_Glimmer> It's 30 FPS with occasional stutters
00:08 <Saerydoth> even constant 30 would be unacceptable though
00:08 <Ali> OH NOES NOT 30FPS
00:08 <Starlight_Glimmer> I don't believe 30 is acceptable either, but that's what you get on consoles
00:08 <Saerydoth> I wouldn't call the stutters occasional, I watched it for like an hour
00:08 <Ali> What are we gonna do!
00:08 <Sombra> Chillax bro, some guy already haxxored the BOTW files, so soon we'll get it emulated on the PC, and we can bump that up as high as we want.
00:08 <Saerydoth> yeah that is what you get on consoles, so I'm not buying consoles anymore
00:08 <Ali> Bunch of FPS whiners
00:09 <Saerydoth> actually 30fps gives me a headache to look at
00:09 <Sombra> ps4 pro has 60fps
00:09 <Ali> Whoopie
00:09 <Saerydoth> on some games
00:09 <Saerydoth> all it would take really is adjustable settings
00:09 <Starlight_Glimmer> If you have control of the camera 30 is a problem - yeah
00:09 <Sombra> You know what they say Saerydoth. The first time I played skyrim, it was on an older laptop with a crappy integrated GPU
00:09 <Sombra> And it was greath.
00:09 <SaultSteMarie> bro
00:09 <Saerydoth> if someone wants to turn the graphics up to the max and have low framerates, good for them
00:09 <RazorSharpFang> I prefer 60fps to 30fps, but the problem is when even that 30fps is inconsistent, and dropping to 20fps or lower
00:09 <Starlight_Glimmer> For stuff like fighting games I don't mind
00:09 <Sombra> Sometimes a game can be so good the graphics don't matter.
00:09 <SaultSteMarie> I grew up playing Morrowind at like 10-15FPS
00:10 <Saerydoth> but give people an option to turn the settings down to increase the framerate
00:10 <Golden> I honestly don't care about the flipping fps! It's an installment to one of my favorite game series. Sure fps is good but it does not I repeat DOES NOT NEED TO BE OVER 60 FPS EVERY DAMN TIME
00:10 <RazorSharpFang> Nothing quite like 10fps skyrim
00:10 <Sombra> Eh, it was more like 25
00:10 <RazorSharpFang> *Skyrim has stopped working*
00:10 <Princess-Luna> Golden...bruh...calm down
00:10 <Snapai> One of my coworkers only had issue with stutters because he got it on WiiU and didn't realize he had motion control aiming turned on :P
00:10 <Saerydoth> all they'd have to do to maintain my interest is say, here if you want you can play it at 720p/60
00:10 <Sombra> Yeah, that game had crashes galore, STILL loved it...
00:10 <Starlight_Glimmer> If the switch had an acceptable battery life for a tablet plus an Android subsystem I'd buy it right away
00:10 <Starlight_Glimmer> As it is: Nope
00:10 <Schism> Let's not forget when a save game got corrupted.
00:10 <RazorSharpFang> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inkj4yop5P8 - Skyrim: The gods know what you've done.
00:11 <Schism> save file*
00:11 <Snapai> Starlight_Glimmer, I'm looking forward to playing Zelda and Splatoon.
00:11 <Saerydoth> interesting fact: all the Metroid Prime games, even the ones on the *Gamecube* ran at 60
00:11 <Snapai> So I kinda need to get one
00:11 <Saerydoth> if the gamecube can do 60fps why is it suddenly so hard to do today?
00:11 <Snapai> Seeing as I don't think either will run on my Wii.
00:11 <Starlight_Glimmer> That's fine. My last Nintendo console was a GBA :P
00:11 <Schism> C'mon, folks, 30 FPS is totally more cinematic.
00:11 <Saerydoth> lol
00:11 <Sombra> Also
00:11 <RazorSharpFang> Schism: Soon: 1fps
00:11 <Starlight_Glimmer> And I have all those games on emulators now
00:11 <Sombra> You can speak positively about the game without speaking positively about the console.
00:11 * Saerydoth nods
00:12 <Sombra> Obviously the game looks great, and plays great, and is great.
00:12 <Sombra> But yeah the switch could handle it better.
00:12 <Sombra> That's the switches fault though.
00:12 <RazorSharpFang> I dunno, some people think it's a bit overrated though.
00:12 <Snapai> One of my coworkers was all excited about getting struck by lightning in the game.
00:12 <Saerydoth> supposedly they're already working on updated hardware, that you'll get to buy again
00:12 <Princess-Luna> As I said, I believe this was rushed for their shareholders
00:12 <Princess-Luna> the system is not fundementally ready.
00:12 <Saerydoth> yep, it's obviously an incomplete/rushed product
00:13 <Sombra> I told my roomie to wait...
00:13 <Saerydoth> with no games of note this year other than Zelda, Mario (maybe this year), Skyrim (maybe next year), and Splatoon
00:13 <Starlight_Glimmer> Probably. The Wii U was a failure. Probably needed something else to please shareholders
00:13 <Saerydoth> the rest is a bunch of mobile shovelware :(
00:13 <Sombra> But he gets more caught up in hype about stuff than I do.
00:13 <Snapai> Apparently if you equip any metal and decide to ride across a field in the middle of a storm, you'll get zapped. As is to be expected.
00:13 <Snapai> Saerydoth, so in other words....the entire game library for the WiiU? ;p
00:13 <Saerydoth> the switch has less support than the Wii U did at this point in its history
00:13 <Sombra> No spoilers!
00:13 <Snapai> Over its entire life
00:13 <RazorSharpFang> I hope that the Switch will be a bit more open to indie developers than the WiiU was.
00:13 <Starlight_Glimmer> Would explain why Zelda was originally planned for the U and not a new console
00:13 <Starlight_Glimmer> I'm pretty sure the Switch will get decent support
00:14 * Saerydoth was actually exited for twilight princess hd, got it without reading reviews (before my boycott obviously), could only stomach playing it for an hour
00:14 <Starlight_Glimmer> The marketing was huge
00:14 <Saerydoth> from now on I read reviews before I buy something
00:14 <Sombra> This is just like a new windows operating system... did you get 10? Why did you get 10? Are there problems? Well... yeah... what did you expect? Never buy something at launch
00:14 <SaultSteMarie> TP got positive reviews
00:14 <Starlight_Glimmer> Not from the start maybe because 3rd parties where skeptical after the Wii U
00:14 <Snapai> Oh I remember all the complaints from everywhere about Twilight Princess.
00:14 <Snapai> ....no. Wait. That was Princess Twilight.
00:14 <Saerydoth> the performance of TPHD is *awful*
00:14 <Saerydoth> it's unplayable
00:14 <Saerydoth> I tried
00:14 <Sombra> Saerydoth, you get to play as a wolf.
00:15 <Saerydoth> yeah I know
00:15 <Saerydoth> I played and finished it on the Gamecube
00:15 <Sombra> Instant 10/10
00:15 <Snapai> Are they gonna rerelease Skyward Sword for Switch?
00:15 <Snapai> I need to play that one
00:15 <Saerydoth> I dunno
00:15 <SaultSteMarie> I was playing Starlight 2 recently.
00:15 <Golden> My lord....I need my stress ball. Also Saerydoth I played it on wii, and it's wii u port. It is playable
00:15 <Snapai> Then again, I also haven't played Majora's Mask...
00:15 <Saerydoth> Skyward Sword had a really interesting/fun story that had some surprising revalations about Hyrule's past
00:15 <SaultSteMarie> Also Star Control 2 a bit but I think Starflight's more interesting to me right now
00:16 <Saerydoth> unfortunately due to the forced motion controls the gameplay was awful
00:16 <Snapai> Saerydoth, and don't you dare talk about them, I know how you are about spoilers. =P
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00:16 <Librarian> there is a sword, it might go skyward
00:18 <Snapai> Skyward Sword is actually the name of the NSFW Zelda game? ;p
00:18 <Saerydoth> here you go, a let's play (of AM2R, not Skyward Sword)
00:18 <Saerydoth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wbjar2WBeE&list=PLVM1qRtVEeEoAJpVF8zSlt6zuQ9HNXwT0
00:18 <Saerydoth> I have it if you want it
00:18 <Snapai> Librarian, and I hear S7 of MLP has ponies
00:18 <Golden> Again with AM2R....
00:19 <Librarian> there might be yes
00:19 <SaultSteMarie> what if the human Virus spread to Equestria and turns all the ponguses into humerps
00:19 <Saerydoth> it's a contender for best 2D Metroid game...I still think Super Metroid is SLIGHTLY better
00:19 <SaultSteMarie> and spike also becomes a humerp
00:19 <Saerydoth> but it's better than the others
00:19 <Princess-Luna> I prefer Prime.
00:19 <SaultSteMarie> prime isn't 2D
00:19 <Saerydoth> me too, but that's why I said 2D
00:19 <Librarian> big spoiler for s7
00:19 <Princess-Luna> Thats my point
00:19 <Librarian> im in it
00:19 <Princess-Luna> I don't really go for the 2D ones, lol
00:19 <Librarian> i am the new princess
00:19 <Librarian> owo
00:19 <Librarian> afro princess
00:20 <Snapai> circus afro?
00:20 <Librarian> afro sargeant is afrooo
00:20 <Snapai> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QIHXbf3Gdo
00:20 <Golden> I haven't even started playing the prime trilogy I own on my wii u
00:20 <Princess-Luna> Wii U should!
00:21 <Saerydoth> the Gamecube ones are better than the TRilogy versions
00:21 <Princess-Luna> Don't start doing that.
00:21 <Saerydoth> the European Gamecube version of Prime 1 is the best version, graphical enhancements that aren't in any other versions
00:21 <Princess-Luna> just let him appreciate what he has, geez
00:21 <Saerydoth> (including the trilogy)
00:21 <Saerydoth> all I say is, thank goodness for Dolphin
00:21 <Snapai> Because Flaahgra
00:21 <SaultSteMarie> The best version of Prime was the fanmade demoscene remake for the Commodore Amiga. It has gradients and appregios.
00:22 <Golden> Let me guess Saery. You are one of those flipping people who say "EVERYTHING AFTER THE GAMECUBE WAS CRAP" Am I right?
00:22 <SaultSteMarie> arp...egios...
00:22 <SaultSteMarie> I arpeggios.
00:22 <Snapai> arpeggios.
00:22 <Saerydoth> the Wii wasn't a very good system. The Wii U had more potential but didn't have any games
00:22 <SaultSteMarie> Faust Arp wa sa good song
00:22 <Night_Blitz> Mind thine language >:3
00:22 <Snapai> The WiiU was Nintendo's Windows 8
00:22 <SaultSteMarie> Ey Sae.
00:22 <SaultSteMarie> YOU don't got any game ;)
00:23 <Saerydoth> actually, I did like New Super Mario Bros U
00:23 * Night_Blitz nests on Snapai's head
00:23 <Snapai> They made it, and no-one really wanted it, though if you happened to need it for a game or need a new Nintendo console during its availability you got it; but otherwise would've been fine with a Wii.
00:23 * Princess-Luna disappears to play overwatch
00:23 <Saerydoth> actually, they thought that everyone that bought a Wii would just instantly buy it with no games available
00:23 <Snapai> That's what's happening with the Switch
00:23 * Golden disappears to play Stardew Valley.
00:24 <Saerydoth> yeah the switch is a repeat of the Wii U, except with slightly better marketing
00:24 <Snapai> Everyone with a Wii is saying "Alright, it's about time to upgrade, they'll make games eventually right? And this means not having to buy a handheld separately"
00:24 <Saerydoth> it's more underpowered compared to the competition than the Wii U was though
00:24 <Snapai> I wish I had had a 3DS.
00:24 <Night_Blitz> Saerydoth: Switch is WiiU without the Wii or the U
00:24 <Saerydoth> I'm probably going to get rid of my 3ds
00:25 <Saerydoth> I don't play it anymore, haven't really in a couple years
00:25 <Night_Blitz> Snapai: best time killer on long hauls
00:25 <SaultSteMarie> man the 3DS thumpad hurts my hands
00:25 <SaultSteMarie> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22006397/VIDYA%20IMPARTS/ImportReel2.png also check out my sweet PC Engine imports.
00:26 <SaultSteMarie> Real gamers collect for consoles that nobody's even heard of.
00:26 <SaultSteMarie> I actually have an Amiga CD32 game!!! I don't even know what the Amiga CD32 is!!!
00:27 <SaultSteMarie> Man speaking of consoles not having games though, apparently the PCFX was pretty lacking on that fron too.
00:27 <SaultSteMarie> Like I wanna say it only had 68 titles, and a lot of them were just adult-oriented sideslow garbage.
00:27 <SaultSteMarie> (Although maybe the PCFX wasn't a console. I am not clear on this)
00:30 <SaultSteMarie> Seriously though, CD32 game I have is Exile and it does a lot of the like... environmental interactivity stuff that Breath of the Wilds does.
00:30 <SaultSteMarie> Which is one of the reasons why I'm super interested in BotW!
00:30 <SaultSteMarie> Since I haven't really seen that kind of stuff show up in games a lot!
00:32 <ADragonHoarding> Huzzah, EoS!
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00:35 <Snapai> I have not ever had a Nintendo handheld.
00:35 <Snapai> Unless you count a super mario bros game-n-watch I got when I was a kid
00:35 <Saerydoth> I still have my Gameboy Advance SP, the backlit version
00:35 <Saerydoth> I doubt I'll ever part with that one
00:37 <Snapai> Amiga OS was the tech behind Video Toaster that hundreds of TV stations used for effects.
00:38 <Saerydoth> the Amiga was about 10 years ahead of its time
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00:41 <Snapai> Plus the open version of it has a sexy cat lady as its mascot!
00:41 <Snapai> Courtesy Eric Schwartz
00:41 <Snapai> http://aros.sourceforge.net/downloads/kitty/aros01_big_signed.jpg
00:42 <SaultSteMarie> i remember the German translation of Sabrina online when I was in college
00:42 <SaultSteMarie> because I'd taken German and highschool and wanted to get better at it
00:42 <SaultSteMarie> but then I quit caring
00:43 <SaultSteMarie> ... Yeah if you're reading stilted fan translations of old furry comics you probably need a better reason to learn a language }8^3
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01:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Part One of Kickstarter for MelodicPony Music Project Launches [ http://tinyurl.com/gwg6qmp ]
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01:28 <Twilight`Sparkle> How are your crops doin'?
01:28 <Golden> Good. Just harvested my blue berries.
01:29 <Twilight`Sparkle> You have the Iridium tools of course.
01:29 <Golden> Not really. I just got the game last month
01:29 <Twilight`Sparkle> I am of course joking.
01:30 <Golden> I do have 2 Iridium ingots, and 4 Iridium ores
01:30 <Twilight`Sparkle> Golden tools are a pain to get.
01:30 <Twilight`Sparkle> Iridium even more so.
01:30 <Golden> I got lucky with the quarry you unlock once fixing the bridges.
01:31 <Golden> So far I have Iron axe, pick axe, and copper watering can.
01:32 <Twilight`Sparkle> Mm, I upgraded watering can first, all times.
01:32 <Golden> That kinda shoots you in the foot though. I usually try to upgrade it at the end of a season.
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01:32 <Twilight`Sparkle> Nah, you just check the weather and wait for a rainy day.
01:33 <Golden> True.
01:33 <Twilight`Sparkle> Bearing in mind to get the watering can to him the day before the rainy day.
01:33 <SaultSteMarie> i wanna try stardew valley but there's also something really specific about the... setting? of the PSX version of Harvest Moon I like a lot, even if I never really *got* anywhere in that game :S
01:34 <Twilight`Sparkle> Stardew Valley's setting is ... pretty interesting.
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01:34 <Twilight`Sparkle> Especially the community center thing.
01:34 <Golden> Very. Also is it me or is JoJa a parallel for Watch Mojo?
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01:34 <Twilight`Sparkle> I have no idea what Watch Mojo is.
01:35 <Golden> It's a crappy top 10 list maker who exploits every little detail to make their revenue.
01:35 <Twilight`Sparkle> ...I thought Joja was more a paralell of Walmart.
01:36 <Golden> I can see that
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01:36 <SaultSteMarie> Hm. Think I might go play a certain action/adventure game about a blond swordsman and his bird companion.
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01:36 <Twilight`Sparkle> ...Devil May Cry?
01:37 <SaultSteMarie> dante is a scrub, and you ain't gettin' no haircut neither. SCRUB.
01:37 <Twilight`Sparkle> Final Fantasy VII isn't an action adventure...
01:38 <SaultSteMarie> (dark savior !!! but I was trying to use vaguery to make it sound like Zelbert: Squidward Sword)
01:38 <Twilight`Sparkle> Oooooh, Skyward Sword.
01:38 <Twilight`Sparkle> Right, red bird.
01:38 <Twilight`Sparkle> I liked that game, good show.
01:38 <Twilight`Sparkle> Very good Zelda, too.
01:39 <SaultSteMarie> i should pick that up sometime maybe. I remember people complaining that it was too linear but I also don't care so
01:39 <Twilight`Sparkle> In fact I liked that game enough that I'm actually not wanting to watch the Game Grumps playthrough.
01:41 <Twilight`Sparkle> I've never understood linearity complaints in Zelda games.
01:41 <Golden> I tried to get Skyward Sword. Kept procrastinating it. Like I'm doing with metroid prime trilogy
01:41 <Twilight`Sparkle> because, you know, Ocarina of Time was totally not linear in any fashion whatsoever.
01:42 <Twilight`Sparkle> And Twilight Princess you could do in any order you wished.
01:42 <SaultSteMarie> I think a lot of people remember LttP being non linear but it
01:42 <SaultSteMarie> never really felt interestingly nonlinear to me
01:42 <SaultSteMarie> just like neat you can do the dungeons in any order okay
01:43 <SaultSteMarie> It wasn't like the original LoZ where the focus was more on exploration I guess?
01:43 <Twilight`Sparkle> that's cool and all, but it also means that each dungeon had a dungeon tool that got used in that dungeong and then /never again/
01:43 <SaultSteMarie> I kind of wasn't big on LttP's dungeon designs :S
01:43 <SaultSteMarie> (also the one-dungeon-tool things is kinda true of the series as a whole so :SSS)
01:43 <Twilight`Sparkle> I also never understood people's control complaints about Skyward Sword?
01:43 <Twilight`Sparkle> I had no issues with the controls.
01:44 <Golden> Seems like SOME people just like to hate on it with other Zelda games for it gets them attention
01:45 <Twilight`Sparkle> But then I also played Monster Hunter Tri with Wiimote and Nunchuk...
01:45 <Twilight`Sparkle> So maybe I was just trained better.
01:46 <Golden> Yeah.
01:51 <Twilight`Sparkle> Anyway. I think that unless Danny is the one behind the controls I'll be significantly annoyed with Arin's raging hatred for the game.
01:52 <SaultSteMarie> I... have issues with Arin's letsplaying :S
01:52 <SaultSteMarie> and refusal to read anything
01:52 <Twilight`Sparkle> I just laught at them.
01:53 <Twilight`Sparkle> But in this case I somewhat expect actual grumpage at a game I like and ehn.
02:01 <Twilight`Sparkle> Aaaaaanyway.
02:02 <Twilight`Sparkle> Back to exploring twisted space.
02:02 <SaultSteMarie> twisted space?
02:04 <Twilight`Sparkle> Chapter 7 of Trails in the Sky SC.
02:05 <Golden> What Godzilla movie should I see for my first one?
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02:06 <Heartbreak> The one with the infant godzilla.
02:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1008 [ http://tinyurl.com/j5t4m6q ]
02:06 <Golden> Hm
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03:26 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: Elias Frost - Party At Puddinghead's [Orchestral Folk] / Time Baby - Blossom (Winterlight Remix) [Chill/Ambient] [ http://tinyurl.com/jj5v4je ]
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03:49 <SaultSteMarie> http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/national/weather-radar oh dang is that a giant derecho
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03:51 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
03:53 <Tempo> Howdy
03:57 <Thelema5> What's going on?
03:59 <Jackie> boop
04:00 <Tempo> Nothin' much, it seems.
04:00 * Thelema5 braids pink satin ribbons in Tempo's mane
04:01 * Tempo guesses it works, given his monochrome appearance.
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04:20 <Starwatcher> I don't know if anypony here is interested in this kind of thing
04:20 <Starwatcher> but if you are
04:20 <Starwatcher> I just launched a high altitude probe balloon
04:20 <Starwatcher> and it is still climbing
04:22 <Starwatcher> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FVE6AZX-14&timerange=3600&tail=3600 [if you want to watch it go on a map, it is here]
04:22 <Starwatcher> [live]
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04:24 <Thelema5> Starwatcher, awesome!
04:24 <Thelema5> Congrats
04:24 <Starwatcher> thanks ^_^
04:24 <Thelema5> Don't suppose you sent a camera up with it?
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04:27 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Low Effect PMV Compilation #171 [ http://tinyurl.com/zcr8pun ]
04:29 <Starwatcher> Thelema5: alas, not this time
04:30 <Starwatcher> this one was set up to go to a high altitude and float permanently
04:30 <Starwatcher> so I'm not gonna be getting it back
04:30 <Starwatcher> I'm tryin' to go around the world with it
04:30 <Starwatcher> just riding the jetstreams
04:30 <Thelema5> Woah
04:30 * DashedRainbows hats on Starwatcher and boops Thelema5
04:30 * Starwatcher hugs DARK
04:30 <Starwatcher> oops
04:30 * Starwatcher hugs DashedRainbows
04:30 <Starwatcher> =p
04:30 <Starwatcher> hia
04:30 <DARK> =o
04:30 <Thelema5> Did you at least attach a note with your contact info in case it falls in some remote location?
04:30 * Thelema5 counterboops
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04:35 <Starwatcher> Thelma5 - yea ^_^
04:35 <DashedRainbows> How's it going, Starwatcher?
04:37 <Starwatcher> awesome thanks
04:37 <Starwatcher> launching things
04:37 <Starwatcher> and its working
04:37 <Starwatcher> which makes me very happy. My balloon is south of the city at ~6000 feet
04:37 <Starwatcher> climbing slowly, moving only at 5 kph
04:38 <Starwatcher> how are you?
04:39 <DashedRainbows> So so, just playing some Mario kart feeling, in general, content with life. I'll never understand how mood works
04:44 <Thelema5> I'm feeling rather discouraged, but I understand why. Learned today that what I first expected to be a fairly minor repair in my bathroom will in fact require extensive remediation work including tearing out the whole sub-floor down to the beams (even under the bathtub).
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04:45 <Thelema5> I was expecting a $500 repair; instead I wound up with a $4000 project
04:46 <DashedRainbows> Ouch, nevermind the cost that'll just be a hassle
04:46 <Thelema5> This, on top of the cost of my cat's medical bills... I'll be completely exhuasting my savings
04:46 <DashedRainbows> It always stinks to have the bathroom out of service
04:46 <Thelema5> Heh, indeed XD
04:47 <Thelema5> *exhausting
04:50 <Princess-Luna> https://twitter.com/theghost1776/status/838969090643378176 - Aww...The VA of Overwatch's Symmetra being given a warm fuzzy post about how she's inspiring young hindi kids! ^-^
04:50 <Princess-Luna> it's sweet.
04:51 <Thelema5> Nice!
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04:55 * Ali boops Princess-Luna nose gently. "Do you do anything besides Overwatch?"
04:55 <Princess-Luna> Yes. :P various twitters.
04:58 * Ali boops Princess-Luna again. "Those don't count!"
04:58 * Princess-Luna pleads the fifth. xD
04:58 <Thelema5> DTbegs to differ
04:59 <Golden> Good night everyone
05:00 * Ali boops Princess-Luna. "You're a Brit not a Murican pony." :P
05:00 <DashedRainbows> Nini
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05:05 * Starwatcher hugs Princess-Luna
05:05 * Princess-Luna boops Starwatcher! :3
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05:07 * Tempo boops himself! o 3o
05:10 * DashedRainbows ups the tempo
05:10 * Tempo is upped? :B
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05:13 * Thelema5 upgrades the Tempo to Greg Saunier levels
05:13 <Thelema5> !link https://youtu.be/BS4hhjbZk9c
05:13 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
05:13 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Greg Saunier drumming
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05:16 <Tempo> Ummmm.... Okay? XD;
05:17 <Thelema5> Or try this one:
05:17 <Thelema5> !link https://youtu.be/5cQ9kUPoaqI
05:17 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Deerhoof live in Tokyo "Panda Panda Panda"
05:18 <Thelema5> Deerhoof are the kings of odd tempos and time signatures
05:18 <Thelema5> And Greg Saunier is their gospel
05:19 <Tempo> Yeah this one sounds better XD
05:21 <Thelema5> XD
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05:23 * DashedRainbows sets the metronome to 200
05:24 <Tempo> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0gED3rn2Tc
05:24 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Pipe Guy - House/Trance/Techno Live
05:24 <Tempo> Though I'd rather go with this kind of level. :B
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05:26 <Thelema5> That's a very small rig for a pipe player
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05:27 * Tempo could imagine himself, in character, wanting to learn an instrument like that.
05:31 <Thelema5> It would be fun, no doubt
05:31 <Starwatcher> I'm at 2200 m, 35 kph heading east
05:32 <Thelema5> W00t; heading my way
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05:32 <Tempo> Or better yet, this guy...
05:32 <Tempo> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqJdzYY_Fas
05:32 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
05:32 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Best Drummer Ever [HD]
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05:33 <Tempo> It gets insane XD
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06:05 <SunsetFrin> Hi
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06:08 <Starwatcher> hia!
06:09 <DashedRainbows> Hello, SunsetFrin
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06:11 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
06:12 * Tempo waves
06:13 * DashedRainbows curtseys. o7
06:17 * ConfusionRift wavies.
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06:22 <Electron> Howdy!
06:26 <ConfusionRift> Hey there. (patpats Electron)
06:27 <Electron> You look happier today, ConfusionRift.
06:27 <Electron> Something NOT happened?
06:28 * ConfusionRift looks in the mirror. He looks worse than before. Then shrugs.
06:28 <ConfusionRift> I guess I'm slightly peppy due to the lemonade.
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06:30 <Electron> Oh...
06:30 <ConfusionRift> Also... almost Wednesday. My days off. :)
06:34 <ConfusionRift> And watching funnys.
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06:38 <Electron> Uu, funnies.
06:38 <Electron> Which ones?
06:38 <ConfusionRift> Just watching a highlight of some commentators about a game.
06:41 <ConfusionRift> And then there are the KSP outtakes.
06:41 <Electron> Right.
06:42 <Electron> You lost me at KSP part.
06:43 <ConfusionRift> Kerbel Space Program.
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06:46 <Electron> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4LoyxNAx1g
06:46 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
06:46 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about KSP: Building a Space Station!
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06:48 <ConfusionRift> This is someone who knows what they're doing. Someone who doesn't... well, they normally don't make it after launch.
06:49 <Electron> But why?
06:50 <ConfusionRift> Let us say that some want to be creative with their vessels, and things don't go as planned.
06:52 <ConfusionRift> During launch, you have to worry about 10 other parameters. Speed, throttle, pitch, structural integrity, weight, balance, etc.
06:53 <ConfusionRift> Oh yeah, fuel can be a problem too.
06:55 <ConfusionRift> Then again, never got passed launch on the demo.
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07:03 <ConfusionRift> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrjpELy1xzc
07:03 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
07:03 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about KSP Mars Ultra Direct: Ludicrous single launch to Mars in Real Solar System
07:11 <Electron> That's kinda amazing, ConfusionRift.
07:11 <Electron> So much calculation.
07:13 <ConfusionRift> That reminds me of how irritating it is to make things in such games for me. I always start with function, and then a shape. Chances are, it all goes very ugly as I go. Unless I have a design in mind.
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07:19 <ConfusionRift> On occasions, things go well when I already know how I can place both.
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07:35 <ConfusionRift> Actually, I tend to go shape over function. It doesn't work, then suddenly have to retrofit everything. And pfffffttttt.
07:36 <ConfusionRift> And this tired me is tired. Inconsistency, hooooo!
07:37 <desert> thank goodness football is such a big thing here in the U.S.A, some moron took out the electricity "box" for my apartment complex and the city (for once) fixed it in a few hours (instead of 16 hours when we lost power last winter)
07:39 <desert> my guess as to why the city's work crew did it so fast is because it happened right about the time football starts airing and the crew didn't want to miss it or the beer
07:39 <ConfusionRift> Heh. In here, they take the same amount of time regardless of there being a game or not. Because worker have already spent money on a backup, or they can watch it freely on the unaffected side with no care.
07:42 <desert> the manager is planning to go to the city counsel to see about putting some speed bumps on the road that goes through the complex, this isen't the first time some idiot went off the road here
07:43 <desert> 2 years ago someone somehow managed to run into one of the buildings from the main road, and theres about 50 feet of grass between the building and the road (more on end then the other, building is at an angle)
07:47 <Electron> "One year on Pluto is equal to about 248 Earth years."
07:50 <ConfusionRift> It's called "idiocy", not "faulty road design".
07:52 <desert> true, but when you can't educate the drivers to stay off there phones you have to change the road to make them pay attention
07:52 <ConfusionRift> Same idiocy as the guy who ate the curve next to our house, destroying the shocks, cambers, and front bumper.
07:52 <ConfusionRift> Yeah, but that affects everyone. Bleh. Maybe they should anyways.
07:53 <desert> finding out he ruined that much must have been a shock when the mechanic handed him the report
07:54 <desert> the city i live in sometimes lets roads decay instead of putting in bumps or fixing it (theres a road with a sign warning about damage to the road for example)
07:54 <ConfusionRift> The moron was trying to flee for 3 hours, just to end up calling for a tow. He kept us awake because of the constant revving. You know, the sign of "I'm going nowhere! Stop it!".
07:55 <ConfusionRift> And here comes the tow truck, with the beeping, road grinding, and honking.
08:00 <Electron> ( '-')
08:01 <ConfusionRift> It all ended... at 5:30am.
08:01 <ConfusionRift> And then the moron comes back in another car to pick up the pieces in the most noisiest way possible.
08:02 <ConfusionRift> Let's say I have very dark thoughts in mind.
08:02 <ConfusionRift> And I had to go to work at 7am.
08:04 <ConfusionRift> *had, not have.
08:04 <ConfusionRift> Past tense. Shesh. How can I be tired right now?
08:05 <Electron> So tense.
08:05 <Jackie> U+0000
08:06 <Jackie> s
08:07 <ConfusionRift> No joke. Tension has been very high lately.
08:08 <Jackie> What's the point of using C0 characters?
08:08 <ConfusionRift> ...huh?
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08:08 <ConfusionRift> I just see the four-eyed box monster.
08:09 <Jackie> http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0000.pdf
08:09 <ConfusionRift> I think that's just missing fonts.
08:09 <Jackie> It doesn't render very well
08:09 <Jackie> It's U+0013 and U+0003
08:10 <DashedRainbows> It was nice while it lasted
08:10 * DashedRainbows sighs and grabs a muffin
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08:19 <ConfusionRift> I'm still thinking on how to build the large ship in Space Engineers.
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08:51 <Schism> Hum. Evidently, those Peeps Oreos are so full of food colouring that the dyes... don't get properly digested.
08:53 <DashedRainbows> That sounds, disgusting
08:53 <Schism> Yes, on every level.
08:54 <DashedRainbows> I really need that mental image thanks
08:54 <Schism> I live to serve.
08:55 <ConfusionRift> It's like that very cheap frosting that has the black color that's made of every color.
08:56 * DashedRainbows goes to get brain bleach
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09:39 * Tempo watches
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09:46 * DashedRainbows flaps her wings harder
09:48 * Tempo blinks
09:49 * desert is getting some really good laughs out of the wordings on the reviews for a 120mm computer fan
09:50 * Finwe noms on Tempo's tail.
09:50 <Finwe> desert: Your biggest fan, is it?
09:51 * Tempo boops a Finwe. o 3o
09:51 * Finwe scrunchymuzzles at Tempo.
09:51 <desert> heres the link, have fun reading the reviews https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835706015&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
09:51 * Tempo boops again.
09:52 * DashedRainbows waves at Finwe
09:55 <DashedRainbows> Those are by far the most entertaining reviews on a fan I've ever read XD
09:57 <Heartbreak> Needs more turtles.
09:58 <Tempo> No. More statues of tigers holding lightning bolts! Is real manly, bro!
09:59 <DashedRainbows> On fire!
09:59 <Tempo> Facing away from an explosion!
10:00 <DashedRainbows> Slowly walking away with sunglasses
10:01 <Tempo> & Knuckles
10:04 * ConfusionRift snirks.
10:04 <DashedRainbows> That'd be really manly
10:04 <Tempo> So manly, bro
10:04 <ConfusionRift> Sleep time! (snores)
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10:05 <Tempo> I should probably do the same soon
10:05 <DashedRainbows> Me too, but meh
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10:06 <DashedRainbows> It's much more manly to pass out :/
10:06 * Tempo does the bored Sweetie Belle crawl to bed. Shall pass out there.
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10:08 <DashedRainbows> Pass out in a bed: genius
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10:24 <Finwe> o3o
10:27 * DashedRainbows curls up and turns on a fan, because weather is crazy
10:36 * Schism flops a bit, and considers.
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10:57 <Pon3> I notice, ponies have teeths
10:57 <Pon3> "Welcome to the show" : 3. I kinda liked the Work together song
10:57 <Pon3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG0XiZqxcug
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11:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #788 [ http://tinyurl.com/j669c3o ]
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11:17 <Pon3> Hi
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11:40 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Lauren Faust - Spitfire and Soarin are Just Friends... With Benefits [ http://tinyurl.com/zv6urdz ]
11:42 <Pon3> hello
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12:09 <Lumindia> Welp
12:09 <Lumindia> that's canon
12:09 <Lumindia> :>
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12:19 <Jackie> Any good ideas for a channel topic?
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12:40 <Lumindia> poonies
12:40 <Lumindia> ponies*
12:41 <Starlight_Glimmer> If that was meant to be German it's almost accurate and would translate to buttnies 6_9
12:41 <Lumindia> '-'
12:41 <Lumindia> typo'd
12:41 <Starlight_Glimmer> I figured ;-)
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12:42 <Lumindia> o 3o
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12:47 <LunaticHell> hay
12:47 <LunaticHell> I have lost the ability to even, so no opening gag today. :/
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12:54 * Cepheid hands LunaticHell the definition of an even number: 2k.
12:54 * LunaticHell gives Cepheid an odd look. o. o
12:55 <Cepheid> Why are you looking at me with 2k + 1?
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13:02 <LunaticHell> o .o
13:02 <LunaticHell> k
13:03 * Schism boops LunaticHell with a pasta spoon. It's useful for summoning up vampierogi.
13:04 <LunaticHell> !link https://www.derpibooru.org/1361491
13:04 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this picture is about floppy ears diapinkes cute eye shimmer daaaaaaaaaaaw (and 16 more)
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13:20 <DARK> hello
13:24 <Cepheid> Apparently commenting that you like find pixel-people suffering horribly to be hilarious and that you feel sad for that fact is enough to get you some good attention on imgur. Imgur is full of a bunch of psychopaths.
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14:02 <FreezeFrame> I'm enjoying all the crying over Aloy being fairly realistically proportioned for someone who had to hunt and gather for subsistence.
14:02 <FreezeFrame> It's nearly as enjoyable as the game itself.
14:04 <LunaticHell> Cepheid: welcome on the internet
14:05 <LunaticHell> Cepheid: Now get ready and help me seize the memes of production.
14:06 <LunaticHell> It'll be a kekolution.
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14:07 <Divide> 'Memes of Production' is my new Newfoundland Polka band.
14:07 <LunaticHell> Good man.
14:07 <LunaticHell> Here, have a pelican girl
14:07 <LunaticHell> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6SOfS3WYAES-Cb.jpg
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14:09 <FreezeFrame> me irl
14:09 <Schism|Nocturne> So people are actually up in arms about the fact that Aloy looks like an actual human being?
14:09 <Cepheid> Not a pelican, that's a shoebill.
14:09 <FreezeFrame> Well, there's a lot of internet whinging about it.
14:09 <Cepheid> Schism|Nocturne: Wait, what?
14:10 <Schism|Nocturne> Cepheid: What Freezeframe said above.
14:10 <FreezeFrame> Cepheid: Yeah, apparently the fact that she looks like a fit athlete has the stereotypical male gamer complaining that she's ugly.
14:10 <Cepheid> ...
14:11 <Cepheid> Is it all that surprising that she's fit? She's a freaking hunter, she was raised to hunt.
14:11 <Cepheid> Good gods people are annoying.
14:11 <FreezeFrame> Yes, Cepheid, but you're forgetting. These are gamers. Gamers.
14:11 <Cepheid> I'm a gamer too, and I don't have a problem with it. What's your point?
14:11 <FreezeFrame> (Sorry, had to reference the infamous GamerGate copypasta)
14:11 <LunaticHell> Cepheid: Huh...I don't even know where she's from. o. o
14:11 <Schism|Nocturne> Horizon Zero Dawn.
14:12 <LunaticHell> She does look cute.
14:12 <FreezeFrame> Speaking of, that game is wicked fun.
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14:12 <FreezeFrame> I'm debating whether to turn it back on before sleep, or sleep and then turn it on when I get up in the afternoon.
14:12 <Cepheid> It is, yes.
14:12 <LunaticHell> Wait, that thing? I've heard about it, it was brought up by some people talking about stuff.
14:12 <Cepheid> I didn't get a chance to play it last night.
14:12 <LunaticHell> Like the guy from computing forever, I think.
14:13 <FreezeFrame> I played for a good few hours, doing lots of sidequests
14:13 <Cepheid> I was too tired when I got home. And later today I'll be taking a nap after I get home from school and an exam.
14:13 <Cepheid> Same.
14:13 <Cepheid> I only just hit Daytower.
14:13 <FreezeFrame> Haven't even gotten that far.
14:13 <FreezeFrame> My main quest progress is still.... looking for Sona/trailing Olin
14:13 <Cepheid> You're not that far behind me.
14:14 <Cepheid> You're like, one step behind me in fact.
14:14 <LunaticHell> So...how does shoebill girl connect to the game?
14:14 <Cepheid> It doesn't.
14:14 <Cepheid> Our conversations got mixed up.
14:14 <LunaticHell> Welp, that makes sense.
14:15 <Cepheid> But that girl you posted a drawing of LunaticHell, is a Shoebill-girl, not a Pelican-girl. :P
14:15 <LunaticHell> God damn, she is cute.
14:15 <Cepheid> Indeed, Japan is crazy about her and Serval.
14:15 <LunaticHell> Also: thanks for correction, I'm not good with birb.
14:16 <LunaticHell> I just looked up the term "shoebill girl" on google.
14:16 <Electron> Went to shop to buy cider.
14:16 <LunaticHell> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/06/article-2274300-17606031000005DC-816_634x446.jpg close enough
14:16 <Cepheid> Heh.
14:16 <Electron> The shop girl asked me to show any paper that I'm older than 18...
14:16 <Electron> Had to put my cider back on the stand.
14:17 * Electron FeelsBadMan
14:17 <Cepheid> But yeah, the common joke is that Shoebill's bangs are what give her that peeved-off expression. Raise the bangs, and her eyes are wide, round and curious.
14:17 <Cepheid> Yeah, I haven't been carded in ages. But even if I am..
14:17 <LunaticHell> I see.
14:17 * Cepheid has a age-of-majority photo ID.
14:17 <Cepheid> Er, an*
14:17 <Schism> Those lovely purple cards.
14:18 * Schism has a wallet full of purple and green.
14:18 <LunaticHell> I found a daimaku with one side having the actual birb on it.
14:19 <Cepheid> Japan also has this opposite-behaviour thing going on with Shoebill and Serval. One example is a typical bathhouse. The only human character has no clothes on for the bath, while Shoebill and Serval are fully dressed, and confused about the human character being undressed in the bath.
14:20 <LunaticHell> I found the origin.
14:21 <LunaticHell> A mobile game that also is an anime.
14:21 <Cepheid> Heh.
14:21 <LunaticHell> mobile games are a big deal in japan, I hear.
14:21 <Cepheid> They are, yes.
14:22 <LunaticHell> I've seen adversizements that surely gives one the impression.
14:23 * Electron is reading Nintendo Switch launch and lols a little
14:24 <Cepheid> The biggest games I've seen over there, mobile-wise, are Fate Grand Order, and Granblue Fantasy.
14:25 <Cepheid> In any case, I'm gonna wander off. I need something to wake me up and I'm gonna go find what can do that for me that isn't caffiene.
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14:31 <Cepheid> Turns out I'm just tired 'cause I'm sitting down on a comfy couch.
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14:34 <Electron> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb-srOfRqNc
14:34 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
14:34 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Nintendo Switch painful launch
14:34 <Electron> Warning! Mature language!
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14:53 <LisaSquarePants> heyy :D
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15:42 <Cepheid> ... This is the quickest grading of an assignment I have EVER SEEN.
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15:43 <Cepheid> Submitted it yesterday. Got the grade back just now. 40/40.
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15:47 <LisaSquarePants> wow that's great!
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15:47 <Cepheid> I just overheard a professor in a nearby class go "This is something I didn't want you to see."
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15:47 <SleepFrame> OK just got the vantage point which confirms precisely where HZD takes place.
15:47 <Cepheid> As for 40/40, it was... Expected. It's Introduction to Computer Science. To me, it's a throwaway course I have to take, even if it's mandatory.
15:48 <LisaSquarePants> HZD?
15:48 <Cepheid> SleepFrame: Please tell, I've been trying to figure it out, but I suck at geography.
15:48 <Cepheid> I suspect it's somewhere across the ocean, not in North America.
15:49 <Cepheid> LisaSquarePants: Horizon Zero Dawn, a recently-released PS4 game.
15:49 <LisaSquarePants> oh cool ;D
15:49 <LisaSquarePants> :d
15:49 <LisaSquarePants> :D
15:51 <SunsetFrin> hi
15:51 <LisaSquarePants> hii :)
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15:59 <DARK> re
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16:01 * Cepheid sits atop SleepFrame.
16:02 * Sick_Nightmares kneads Cepheid
16:04 * Cepheid kneads back.
16:05 <Cepheid> It sounds like a programming class is being taught in the lecture room next to me.
16:05 <Cepheid> I am kind of curious as to why they are only up to control structures NOW, though.
16:05 <Cepheid> He's discussing for() loops.
16:05 <Sick_Nightmares> Wow
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16:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: Matthew Mosier - My Cadence (Tina & Damien French Cover) [Acoustic Pop] [ http://tinyurl.com/jdh9lyv ]
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16:09 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO3Sijto51I
16:09 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
16:09 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Cat Rides On Top of Capybara
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16:15 <SleepFrame> Cepheid: One of the Vantage Points shows it being in Colorado Springs
16:15 <Cepheid> Ah.
16:15 <SleepFrame> The one near the first tallneck
16:17 <Cepheid> Hum, yeah. I see what you mean.
16:21 <FruitNibbler> http://i.imgur.com/lmZi6NK.jpg
16:23 <Cepheid> Man I want to be a male video game murder for Halloween.
16:26 <Cepheid> Right, I'm gonna wander off and do a quick review for my exam.
16:26 <Cepheid> I'll see you after I fail this exam, at around 3:30 or so.
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16:36 <LunaticHell> I'll bet he'll be back around...
16:36 <LunaticHell> ...4:20
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16:46 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
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16:48 <ADragonHoarding> blaze it.
16:48 * ADragonHoarding sets the room on fire.
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16:49 <ADragonHoarding> ow.
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17:02 <Tirek> Greetings, it is I, Tirek, here once again to lay seige to your general well being and good-day-ness.\
17:02 <Tirek> Or something.
17:02 <LunaticHell> k o. o
17:02 <Tirek> I bought a wacom cintiq 22hd.
17:02 <Tirek> Its great.
17:03 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Arachnophobia / Enemy / Chaos 72 / Falling Star 3 / Star Mares 3.3.4 / Fire Alarm / Cherry 1:19 [ http://tinyurl.com/jk8l2kl ]
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17:05 <Starlight_Glimmer> So you can draw ugly equines digitally now? :D
17:07 <ADragonHoarding> Draw a kitten.
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17:13 <Braixen> ello everypony
17:20 <Thelema5> Tirek, congrats on your purchase
17:20 <Thelema5> Hello, Braixen
17:26 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by The Illustrious Q: My Little Pony: The Movie Prequel Comic MINI-SERIES Solicited on Amazon!!! [ http://tinyurl.com/hch9xdb ]
17:28 <Braixen> ^^
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17:44 <LunaticHell> Hey Braixen
17:44 <Braixen> hiya
17:45 <LunaticHell> sup?
17:47 <Finwe> o3o
17:47 * Finwe hugs a LunaticHell and a Braixen.
17:47 * Braixen hugs gently
17:47 <Finwe> 'Ello, ello, everypony.
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17:53 <Finwe> !plot
17:53 <DerpyBot> *wigglewiggle*
17:53 <Finwe> *wigglewiggle*
17:54 <Sick_Nightmares> "
17:54 <Sick_Nightmares> *wigglewiggle*
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17:57 * Lumindia_ huggles Surry
17:57 * Lumindia_ alsoo huggles GlimGlam
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18:05 * Sick_Nightmares kneads Lumindia_ too
18:05 * Finwe is kneaded.
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18:10 <Finwe> Hello, Thelema5.
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18:31 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Friendship is Magic Collection Rarity Carousel Botique Set Hits Stores [ http://tinyurl.com/hoaash5 ]
18:32 <iandroid> Hello everypony
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18:51 <Finwe> Ave, iandroid.
18:51 <iandroid> Hey Finwe
18:51 <Bubs> Mr Finwe.
18:52 * Bubs bobs his hat
18:52 <iandroid> How's it going?
18:53 <Finwe> Mr Bubs.
18:53 * Finwe doffs his hat.
18:53 <Finwe> It goeth fine.
18:53 <Finwe> We're experiencing a bit of a storm here.
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18:55 <Finwe> When I left the university I noticed that my bike would have been blown down, had it not been connected to the stand with a wire lock.
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19:00 <iandroid> So it goes
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19:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Zap2It Reports April 15th as the Return of Season 7! [ http://tinyurl.com/gverg8v ]
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19:02 <Thelema5> Huzzah!
19:03 * DashedRainbows yawns and stretches a bit
19:03 <DashedRainbows> Good afternoon
19:03 <Thelema5> That's the same weekend as Babscon
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19:03 <Thelema5> Going to be some big premier party there, no doubt
19:04 <Thelema5> Hiya, DashedRainbows
19:05 <Thelema5> Who was it in here that mentioned they were going to babscon this year?
19:05 <iandroid> Apparently there was a sea platform constructed just outside Italy's waters that was declared an independent state, with Esperanto as its official language. Its founder just passed away. http://www.liberafolio.org/2017/03/07/forpasis-la-fondinto-de-esperanta-respubliko/
19:05 <iandroid> @ Finwe
19:06 <Finwe> o3o
19:07 <Thelema5> How many people lived there, iandroid? I can't follow the link
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19:08 <Finwe> Servus, Mr CopperCrystal.
19:08 <iandroid> I haven't finished reading it but only a few weeks after construction was finished and it was announced to the world, the Italian police occupied it and the Italian army destroyed it with explosives
19:08 <CopperCrystal> Greetings
19:08 <Thelema5> iandroid, no fun allowed, eh?
19:08 <iandroid> Rude
19:09 <CopperCrystal> Can't possibly have an oasis of freedom near Europe. Maybe they would not even understand Newspeak there.
19:09 <Finwe> Wasn't there some British guy with a similar platform in the North Sea?
19:09 <Thelema5> I seem to recall Sealand
19:10 <iandroid> But it remained a part of Italian culture. In 2012, an ex mayor of Rome published a novel about it called The Island and The Rose
19:10 <Finwe> Yup, Sealand 'twas called.
19:10 <Thelema5> It was first host to a pirate radio station. I think it's still operational
19:10 <Schism> Alas, Giorgio Rosa. A man with a big dream of a small island of his very own.
19:10 <iandroid> (the founder was surnamed Rose, and the island was named after him)
19:11 <Thelema5> Humble
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19:11 * Thelema5 plants a flag in a corner of the chat and proclaims it Thelemaland
19:12 <Schism> The Republic of Rose Island /might/ have had a radio station. Who knows? But it did have a restaurant, bar, nightclub, and post office.
19:12 <iandroid> Apparently there's a documentary on YouTube called The Island of the Rose — Freedom is Frightening
19:13 <Thelema5> Heh, I'll have to check that out tonight
19:13 <iandroid> We should found a brony island
19:14 <iandroid> Thelema5: I translated the title from the article, it might not be exact
19:14 <SantiXD> the platform was in italian territory so its like if they were stealing territory to italy
19:15 <iandroid> SantiXD: just outside it
19:15 <iandroid> Thelema5: it's in Italian with Esperanto subtitles, so if you know either :-P
19:15 <iandroid> !link https://youtu.be/ci226cf1JOQ
19:15 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
19:15 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about INSULO DE LA ROZOJ - plena filmo en Esperanto
19:16 <Thelema5> I'll just add my own dialog with silly voices
19:17 <Thelema5> Are you learning esperanto now?
19:18 <iandroid> Jes, mi lernas Esperanton.
19:18 <DashedRainbows> I once tried to learn esperanto
19:18 <Finwe> iandroid: So from our point of view signor Rosa's island is L'isola del giorno prima.
19:19 <iandroid> It's a lot easier than Mandarin
19:19 <DashedRainbows> Then I got pragmatic
19:19 <iandroid> Finwe: giorno prima?
19:20 <iandroid> DashedRainbows: did you learn some other language?
19:20 <Finwe> iandroid: The day before.
19:20 <DashedRainbows> I'm learning French, iandroid
19:20 <iandroid> Nice!
19:21 <iandroid> I wish I could read it
19:21 <DashedRainbows> Me too lol
19:21 <Finwe> iandroid: It's a novel by Umberto Eco, L'isola del giorno prima, translated into English as the Island of the Day Before.
19:21 <iandroid> Someone was talking about something that is apparently only talked about on French websites, appelistes
19:22 <iandroid> I googled it but couldn't understand it, and for some reason Google translate was not working at the time
19:22 <Thelema5> Eco is an amazing writer, I would love to be able to read the original italian
19:22 <iandroid> Finwe: oh, is it about that island?
19:23 <iandroid> Thelema5: but you'd need to be able to read Latin, German, French...
19:23 <iandroid> At least to read Name of the Rose
19:24 <Finwe> iandroid: No.
19:24 <Thelema5> Yes, and many others
19:24 <iandroid> And IIRC various regional dialects
19:24 <Thelema5> :p
19:24 <Thelema5> In at least one case, a single character blends many languages into a new hybrid dialect
19:25 <Finwe> Penitenziagite!
19:25 <Thelema5> XD
19:25 <Finwe> That brother's soul was saved by the inquisitor Bernardo Guidoni, I recall.
19:28 <iandroid> I feel like I need to read more around Eco before I go back and read him. I hadn't even read any Borges when I read Name of the Rose
19:29 <Schism> Yes, yes it was, Finwe.
19:29 <Schism> That would have been the monk who was briefly with the bandits, and tried to save the accused witch.
19:29 <Finwe> Eeeyup.
19:29 * Schism recently read The Name of the Rose. Some very funny moments, but that was not one of them.
19:29 <Schism> Reread, I should say.
19:30 <Finwe> His Latin was very corrupt, the correct form would have been, "Penitentiam agite!"
19:30 <iandroid> Finwe: it was probably not classical Latin, but colloquial
19:30 <Librarian> chuchita bolseatum est
19:31 <Librarian> cogito ergo boom!
19:31 * Librarian gooes boom
19:31 <Finwe> iandroid: I.e. Italian. o3o
19:31 <Schism> These /were/ the 1200s, and linguistic drift up to that point must have been quite substantial indeed.
19:32 <iandroid> Finwe: oh right
19:32 <Schism> (It's easy to remember when The Name of the Rose was set, because it was during the reign of King John.)
19:33 <LunaticHell> 1200s, eh?
19:36 <Finwe> 1300's, actually.
19:36 * Schism frowns, looking up. "Timeline, timeline... could've sworn..."
19:36 <LunaticHell> As in 1201 to 1299?
19:37 <iandroid> LunaticHell: you forgot 1200
19:37 <LunaticHell> 6. 9
19:37 <Schism> Finwe's right, 1327.
19:37 <Finwe> o3o!
19:37 <LunaticHell> So not what I thought...
19:37 <LunaticHell> and here I wanted to mention the Sack of Constantinople...
19:38 <Finwe> Schism: Guidoni was born in 1261 or 1262; he would probably not have been an inquisitor in the 13th century.
19:38 <Finwe> LunaticHell: By the 4th crusade?
19:38 * Schism nodnods.
19:39 <LunaticHell> Yes, the 4th.
19:39 <Finwe> And Eco himself pointed out that he had to make the time of the book early spring because that was when Guidoni had been around the parts where the fictional monastery was located.
19:40 <LunaticHell> Did you know christianity (before the first crusade) had 5 major capitols?
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19:40 <LunaticHell> I can only get four together, from memory.
19:41 * Finwe noms on LunaticHell's memory.
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19:43 <LunaticHell> I think it went: Rome (duh), Constantinople, Jerusalem and...Alexandria....and...byzantine?
19:44 <Finwe> Rome, Constantinople, Jewrusalem, Alexandria, Antioch.
19:45 <LunaticHell> Huh, I got one wrong?
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19:45 <LunaticHell> Then a thing happened and 3 were conquered, the last one fell later.
19:45 <Finwe> LunaticHell: Byzant was the area ruled by Constantinople.
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19:46 <Finwe> Byzantine is an adjective.
19:46 <LunaticHell> Oh, right, I forgot.
19:46 <Finwe> o3o
19:46 <Finwe> Mr Starwatcher.
19:46 * Finwe doffs his hat.
19:46 <Schism> Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople.
19:46 <LunaticHell> I tried to get to it from the name we germans gave it.
19:46 <Schism> (It's nobody's business but the Turks'.)
19:47 <Finwe> Konstantinoupolis.
19:48 <Finwe> The city of Constance.
19:48 <LunaticHell> Not even 2 decades before the first decade the last of the conquerers were driven off from the outer gates of Rome.
19:48 <LunaticHell> first crusade*
19:49 <LunaticHell> I derp hard, today.
19:49 <LunaticHell> Finwe: I'm sure you know what 'thing' I meant?
19:49 <iandroid> Finwe: Byzantium, not Byzant AFAIK
19:49 <Finwe> Byzantion, to be exact.
19:50 <iandroid> I mean in English
19:50 <Finwe> The first settlement on the same place was called Lygos.
19:51 <LunaticHell> I meant the thing that happened that lead to the loss of the 3 capitols.
19:52 * LunaticHell looks at Finwe https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2016/12/10/1314244__safe_solo_pinkie+pie_screencap_animated_looking+at+you_wide+eyes_reaction+image_youtube+link_fourth+wall.gif
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19:53 <Librarian> i sold ma wolf link and i could have used it now owo
19:53 * Schism digs with wolf Link.
19:53 <Finwe> Jewrusalem, Antioch and Alexandria were taken by the Musulmans.
19:53 <Finwe> And Constantinople in the 16th century.
19:54 <LunaticHell> Yes.
19:54 <LunaticHell> "Fire and Sword"
19:55 <LunaticHell> And sometimes a firey sword
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19:56 * Finwe hums the Palästinalied.
19:57 <Finwe> Álrêrst lébe ich mir werde, sît mîn sündic ouge siht...
19:57 <LunaticHell> You say it, that was some siht...
19:57 <Finwe> daz here lant und ouch die erde, der man sô vil êren giht.
19:58 <Librarian> ich bin baboso
19:58 <Schism> Ooh. New chapter of "The Sweetie Chronicles: Fragments". :3
19:58 <LunaticHell> (yay)
19:58 <iandroid> I just saw a poster: Heathers: The Musical will be performed at my school in a few weeks
19:59 <Finwe> ez ist geschehen, des ich ie bat: ch bin komen an die stat, dâ got menischlîchen trat.
20:05 <Librarian> yo tengo un sueño! que las gordas corran libres por los parques
20:05 <Librarian> he dicho
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20:10 <Librarian> i had a funny experience today
20:10 <Librarian> they made a doggie area on my local park so dogs can roam free
20:11 <Librarian> my akita had never been allowed to be unleashed outside, so i let her go
20:11 <Librarian> but instead of running to play she got scared and stayed by my feet
20:11 <Librarian> so adorable owo
20:15 <Finwe> Librarian: You have a doge? Wow!
20:16 <Librarian> yep
20:16 <Librarian> two of them
20:16 <Librarian> one is hugeee
20:16 <Librarian> but acts like a big baby
20:19 <Cepheid> Heh.
20:19 <Finwe> Wait, the doge was a shiba inu, not an akita inu.
20:19 <Librarian> related
20:19 <Cepheid> Yeah, some dogs are great about free roaming. Others not so much.
20:20 <Cepheid> I generally don't like it, but for different-than-usual reasons.
20:20 <Cepheid> My sister's dog being the best example of these reasons. In short, my sister's dog ran off into the brush, and all of a sudden we hear splashing.
20:20 <Finwe> Cepheid: So you prefer being leashed at all times?
20:20 <Cepheid> Dog comes out of the brush, and she is soaked from head to toe and covered in dirt.
20:20 <Cepheid> Outside, yes.
20:20 <Cepheid> Inside, free roaming.
20:21 <Cepheid> Outside, dogs get dirty when they get a chance.
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20:21 <Finwe> The chances are quite limited in the winter.
20:22 <Cepheid> No, during the winter they just go tripping everywhere.
20:22 <Librarian> akita love snow
20:22 <Librarian> shame we dont have any here
20:22 <Cepheid> I swear that dog was injured in the head. Tripped over something going downhill and spent the rest of it just rolling and flopping down the hill
20:22 <Cepheid> Given it was winter and snow was everywhere, the dog was relatively fine.
20:23 <Finwe> Not even high in Sierra Madre?
20:23 <Librarian> its far from me
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20:24 <Librarian> on another topic, i think a dodged a bullet with the switch
20:25 <Librarian> its failing left and right
20:25 <Cepheid> I think the stories of it breaking down are exaggerated.
20:25 <Cepheid> As in, the frequency is exaggerated.
20:25 <Cepheid> But it was expected.
20:26 <Cepheid> I remember when the PS4 launched. All sorts of problems. Same with the PS3. Wii U. Wii. Gamecube. PS2.
20:26 <Cepheid> With the initial run of a console, you're taking a chance. It's 50/50 that it'll break down, or last forever.
20:27 <Cepheid> I got lucky with my Wii. It's a first-generation unit. Functions flawlessly still.
20:27 <Finwe> Librarian: The Aztecs were insane, by the way, founding a city inside a ring of volcanoes.
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20:28 <Finwe> And the Spanish likewise, not abandoning it.
20:28 <Finwe> Must be a nice place to live in.
20:30 <Cepheid> In any case, I still want a Switch. Just gonna wait a month or two.
20:31 <Librarian> the aztecs came here becuase of a religous sign
20:31 <Schism> Cepheid: If something never breaks down, isn't that practically the definition of it 'lasting forever'?
20:31 <Cepheid> Note the keyword "or"
20:31 <Cepheid> And I'm speaking of individual units.
20:31 <Schism> But entropy always wins, so. o3o
20:31 <Cepheid> True.
20:31 <Librarian> its a famous story, the god of war told them to find an eagle eating a snake on a cactus
20:32 <Cepheid> I'm using hyperbole, then. But you know what I mean.
20:32 <Librarian> they found it on the middle of a bog like lake
20:33 <Librarian> thats downtown today
20:34 <Librarian> the spanish didnt leave cause there were incrdible amounts of silver here
20:34 * Cepheid builds a castle atop a volcano. It sinks. He builds another castle. It too sinks. He builds a third castle. That one falls over, then sinks. Then he builds a fourth. It also sinks. It's a volcano. Everything's going to sink into it. Unless it was an inactive volcao with no lava-filled caldera.
20:34 <Schism> "That one burned down, fell over, and then sank into the swamp.
20:34 <Librarian> we only have one volcano and its far away
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20:35 <Finwe> Librarian: And the Spaniards just decided to call it Mexico because Tenochtitlan was too difficult to pronounce.
20:35 <Finwe> Mr Princess-Luna.
20:36 <Librarian> not quite
20:36 * Finwe doffs his hat.
20:36 <Librarian> mexico means belly button of the moon
20:36 <Librarian> its the name of one of the leaders of the aztecs when they found the eagle
20:36 <Princess-Luna> xD
20:36 <Librarian> mexic turned to mexico
20:37 <Librarian> we were new spain when spain ruled
20:37 <Finwe> Nuevo España
20:37 <Finwe> o3o
20:37 * Finwe noms on Princess-Luna's tail.
20:38 <Librarian> i know mexican history, buts its kinda boring
20:38 <Librarian> we lack epic heroes
20:39 <Cepheid> History of most countries tend to be boring.
20:39 <Cepheid> Americans try to spice theirs up with rewritten history now and then, though.
20:39 <Librarian> japan has great history up to a point
20:39 <Librarian> egypt as well
20:40 <Librarian> albeit napoleon said that if he had five like one of our founding fathers he would rule the world
20:40 <Librarian> there is also pancho villa, who is cool
20:41 * Golden flumps.
20:41 <Finwe> The Chinese even built their Great Wall over 2000 years prior to the 'Murricans.
20:42 <Librarian> make the khan pay for the wall
20:42 <Librarian> owo
20:42 <Finwe> o3o
20:43 <Librarian> we have some funny bits in our hisotry, we were invaded by france, the war started over cake
20:43 <Librarian> there is also the president that was in office for about an hour
20:43 <Librarian> stuff like that
20:44 <iandroid> You guys have yummy pan de la dia de los muertos
20:44 <iandroid> Not sure what it's called
20:44 <Librarian> yesss
20:45 <Librarian> you are mostly right
20:45 <Librarian> pan de muerto
20:45 * Schism also notes, "rAdm. Finwe."
20:45 * Schism doffs his wasabi peas.
20:45 <Librarian> or dead man bread
20:45 <iandroid> Ugh, that's sounds awful in English
20:46 <Schism> The Bread of the Dead. o3o
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20:46 <Librarian> in spanish it also sounds weird, we are just used to it
20:46 <Finwe> Mr Schism.
20:46 <iandroid> I'll eat pan de muerto, but no thanks to dead man bread!
20:46 * Finwe doffs his hat.
20:46 <iandroid> Yeah makes sense
20:46 <Schism> But yes, Pan de Muertos is delicious.
20:47 <Librarian> the ball on top the pan de uerto is meant to represetn a skulls, the sticks on the sides are bones
20:47 <Finwe> All Hallows bread?
20:47 <Schism> Finwe: Close, the Day of the Dead on November 2.
20:47 <Librarian> 1 and 2
20:47 <Cepheid> I'ma go take a nap. I am suddenly extremely exhausted. I blame post-exam exhaustion.
20:47 <Schism> So more like All Saints' Day.
20:47 <Librarian> 1 is to rember the children
20:48 * Schism waves to the Cephy, offers some wasabi peas to perhaps wake up?
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20:48 <Lumindia> dia de los muertos
20:49 <Librarian> its a fun day, we rember the dead in a happy way
20:49 <Finwe> Schism: Umm, the original Aztec festival seems to have been in August.
20:49 <Librarian> we offer food to them in altars
20:49 <Finwe> A whole month.
20:50 <Finwe> And it was dedicated to children and dead relatives.
20:50 <Librarian> we even have picnins on graveyards
20:50 * Schism isn't surprised. He's just looking at things as they are...!
20:50 <Librarian> with mariachi
20:50 * Schism boops Librarian with a marzipan skull.
20:51 <Librarian> i don like marzipan, too sweet owo
20:52 * Schism reconsiders, offers some made of dulce de pepita instead?
20:52 <Librarian> im impressed with you knowledge of local candy
20:52 * Librarian noms
20:52 <Schism> I know merely a few things.
20:53 <Schism> Dulce de Leche is another option.
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20:54 <Librarian> it wod be fun to give a guided tour of mexico
20:54 <Librarian> its a nice place, just avoid the bad areas
20:54 <Schism> Looking up chongos zamoranos, and ye gods, those look like pure sugar.
20:55 <Librarian> try cajeta
20:55 * Lumindia is having Cheddar Jalapeno-flavored popcorn
20:56 <Schism> Eee. No thank you. Diabetic, so just looking at cajeta spikes my blood sugar. Though that looks very similar to dulce de leche anyway.
20:56 <Schism> Just a variant based on goat milk instead of cow.
20:56 <Librarian> yep
20:57 <Schism> "A home-made form of dulce de leche is sometimes made by boiling an unopened can of sweetened condensed milk for two to three hours."
20:57 <Librarian> there is also the churro
20:57 <Librarian> the best churro is filled with sweet filling
20:57 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Silver Quill: Let's Review: Guardians of Harmony – Big Spike [ http://tinyurl.com/zy4nrhl ]
20:57 <Schism> Now, churros I can nom upon. o3o Especially with berry jams.
20:58 <Librarian> i gave thelema a good taco recipe
20:58 <Librarian> ill ask him to repeat it and you can try it
20:58 <Librarian> i forgot it owo
20:59 <Librarian> iits a variant we called drowned taco, beef in a spicy brothy sauce
20:59 <iandroid> I know more about Mexican American food than Mexican. Burritos for example
21:00 <iandroid> But you're making me want to experience some Mexican food
21:00 <Librarian> thats american
21:00 <Schism> https://smittenkitchen.com/2016/03/churros/ <.<
21:00 <iandroid> That's what I said
21:00 <Librarian> i reecomedn soft tortilla tacos
21:00 <Librarian> at that i could reccomend a lot of stuff
21:00 <iandroid> Yeah I eat those, though my favorite is with black beans
21:01 <Librarian> umm
21:02 <Librarian> try tacos al pastor
21:02 <Librarian> just ask them very well done
21:02 <Finwe> Shepherd's tacos?
21:03 <Finwe> o3o?
21:03 <iandroid> Looks tasty
21:03 <Librarian> its a variaion on the falafel
21:03 <Librarian> the big spin top like piece of meat
21:03 <Librarian> we adapted it
21:04 <Librarian> i could also reccomend sopes
21:04 <iandroid> Ah I've had those
21:04 <Librarian> whcih is a thick dough circle with beans and your choice of opping
21:05 <Librarian> had pozole?
21:06 <iandroid> No
21:06 <Librarian> give it a try, its corn soup
21:07 <Librarian> the corns pieces are whole
21:07 <Librarian> lovely with pork
21:08 <iandroid> At first I thought that was that huitlacoche stuff
21:08 <Librarian> thats good stuff
21:08 <Librarian> i really like it in quesadillas
21:09 <iandroid> http://www.thesneeze.com/2005/steve-dont-eat-it-vol-7.php
21:10 <Librarian> im aware of the nature, bu its tasty and harmless
21:10 <iandroid> OK
21:10 <Thelema5> Librarian, I have that receipe on file on a computer I can't access right now
21:10 <Thelema5> I can pull it up later tonight
21:11 <Librarian> yay
21:11 <Librarian> we also eat bugs here owo
21:11 <Librarian> i dont myself, but my family loves ems
21:12 <Thelema5> Shellfish are really just water bugs
21:13 <Thelema5> Crabs are like giant spiders
21:13 <Librarian> nuuu
21:13 <Thelema5> :p
21:13 * Thelema5 doesn't eat any cold-blooded creatures
21:13 <iandroid> Librarian: I hear Mexicans like hearty breakfasts, like a big bowl of stew. Conversely, that they eat a very light dinner.
21:14 <Librarian> the weirdest things i have eaten are the huitacoce and cow stomach
21:14 <Librarian> its on an individual basis
21:14 <Librarian> i do it backwards
21:14 <iandroid> It's cow stomach = tripa?
21:14 <Librarian> no, thats tripe
21:14 <Librarian> cow stomach its pancita
21:15 <iandroid> Weirdest things I've had at a Mexican restaurant was lengua and cerebro
21:15 <Librarian> ....
21:15 <iandroid> At a Chinese restaurant, organ meats like chicken heart and kidney
21:15 <Librarian> they told you what it was?
21:15 <iandroid> The menu was in English too
21:15 <Schism> Hey, organ meats are tasty.
21:15 <Schism> Chicken herats and spaetzle = <3.
21:16 <iandroid> Oh and chicken feet
21:16 <Librarian> i dont like brain, tastes like gum
21:16 <Schism> Chicken feet, not the sort of thing I'm really fond of.
21:16 <iandroid> I was a kid, I want going to pass up that opportunity
21:16 <iandroid> Wasn't*
21:16 <Librarian> mexicans as a culture eat about eveything from the animal
21:17 <Librarian> we dont waste
21:17 <Schism> As it should be.
21:17 <iandroid> Americans turn those parts into hot dogs
21:17 <Schism> "Think of it this way. You're eating insects. Now, what do you think the kibble is made of?" "...the unwanted parts of the bug?" "I don't know for sure, but I'd stick with the puffed locust."
21:18 <Librarian> my all time favorite is the recipe i gave thelema
21:18 <Librarian> the lady who makes it here has the secret touch, its heavenly
21:19 <Librarian> now i want some owo
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21:23 <Librarian> im going to nom nom
21:23 <Librarian> see ya later
21:24 <Librarian> this cultural segment was sponsored by tacos chelo, with the help of the chubby woobi
21:37 <Starlight_Glimmer> !link chubby
21:37 <DerpyBot> https://derpibooru.org/189847
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21:40 <iandroid> Chubby http://shepherd0821.deviantart.com/art/OC-types-Macdolia-667615433
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21:46 <Schism> Also, have some cute. http://shepherd0821.deviantart.com/art/Summer-612570188
21:47 <iandroid> Was expecting Sunset Summer, was disappoint
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21:51 <Thelema5> The meat industry is terribly effecient in most countries, including america. While not every part of the animal is usually eaten by people, nearly every part gets put to good use. Sale and reuse of slaughterhouse by-products account for more than 11% of total gross income of beef producers, and 7.5% for pork
21:51 <Schism> Fodder, fertilizer, food for animals - many organ meats which are not eaten by humans are ground down for pets and other animals.
21:52 <Schism> Cow brains are of course an exception.
21:52 <Thelema5> The by-products are used in any number of industries, including the drug and beauty product industries as well as agricultural products like organic fertilizers
21:52 <iandroid> Thelema5: the food industry OTOH is highly inefficient
21:53 <iandroid> As dumpster-diving behind a grocery store will show
21:54 <Thelema5> Sadly, most consumers in so-called first world countries have become far too picky when it comes to produce, for instance
21:54 <Thelema5> Most of the waste in the industry, however, occurs because of logistics and subsidies
21:55 <Sour_Sweet> Thelema5: We send a lot of chicken giblets and legs to Africa
21:55 <Sour_Sweet> Destroying the local market
21:55 <Sour_Sweet> Because rich people apparently prefer chicken breast and wings
21:56 <Thelema5> Fried chicken legs are a thing of beauty, though
22:00 <Thelema5> Demand will drive the market, often to the detriment of the poor. Quinoa, for instance, has been a staple grain of the indigenous-decended groups in peru, boliva, and Ecuador for hundreds of years because it is easily and inexpensively cultivated in their region and provide a great balance of proteins.
22:01 <Thelema5> The grain has only very recently become fashionable in industrialized nations, which now buy up nearly the entire production- leaving none for those who produce it
22:03 <Thelema5> There have been efforts to produce it domestically in the US and in Europe, with varied success.
22:05 <Thelema5> I personally can't stand the stuff.
22:06 <iandroid> It's kinda soapy
22:06 <Thelema5> Blech
22:07 <RazorSharpFang> Thelema5: So, where is all the money going that is coming in then? Who's it going to? What are they spending it on?
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22:08 <RazorSharpFang> Is that place a hotbed for corruption? That might explain the scenario.
22:09 <Schism> It's not difficult to say, 'We'll pay you twice what you're already earning', and then pocket the majority of the money for oneself.
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22:20 <Thelema5> RazorSharpFang, I'm not sure. I'm guessing that the brokers are pricefixing the cropshares, or underselling their contracts
22:22 <Thelema5> I wasn't commenting on the financial side of the situation so much as on the irony of not being able to find the product for sale in it's traditional markets
22:24 <RazorSharpFang> Well, my point was that international interest in a market of production like that could be a great thing for the people there, if the scenario is in a way to make the most of it for the citizenry.
22:24 <RazorSharpFang> But it appears the scenario is in a way to make the worst of it for the citizenry.
22:24 <Schism> "Coffee in the Stardust labs has been banned until further notice." -XCOM finds itself with a new specimen, a lavender unicorn.
22:25 * Schism nods, "It would be great if it were a win/win situation, but most people look at the financial market as a zero-sum game."
22:25 <Sour_Sweet> Oh it's no zero-sum game.
22:25 <Sour_Sweet> There is only profit if somebody looses
22:26 <Sour_Sweet> It's gambling but legal and requires you to wear a suit
22:26 <RazorSharpFang> Sour_Sweet: Aren't those two statements contradictory?
22:26 <Sour_Sweet> Depends on how you look at it
22:26 <Sour_Sweet> If you mean overall yes
22:27 <Schism> Except it's not a zero-sum game. For one person, ten dollars is worth an hour of their time. For another, the labor is worth more than that ten dollars. Hence, a win/win situation.
22:27 <Sour_Sweet> But as an individual player on the market it's not
22:27 <Sour_Sweet> Also looses can be far into the future
22:27 <Schism> If you look solely at monetary values, then it /is/ entirely zero-sum, but there's more than one value - that's how trade works.
22:27 <RazorSharpFang> I mean, in the case of the stock market, that is true.
22:28 <RazorSharpFang> And at any one point in time, there's only a certain amount of funds in distribution (minus banks creating money lol)
22:28 <Sour_Sweet> Financial markets used to actually reflect a companies value and supply and demand - that time is long gone
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22:28 <RazorSharpFang> But there's more to wealth and prosperity than funds.
22:28 <RazorSharpFang> People value stuff.
22:29 <Sour_Sweet> Look at the average asset holding time. It's amazinh
22:29 <Sour_Sweet> g*
22:31 <RazorSharpFang> But you know, even when you're talking specifically about the stock/share market and the financial rewards from it, they're not closed to be general public at all; they are completely open to basically all investors at any (trading) time.
22:32 <Sour_Sweet> Depends on product
22:32 <Sour_Sweet> There are actually restirctions here on what you can trade as an individual without training
22:33 <RazorSharpFang> Wait, really?
22:33 <RazorSharpFang> Which country is that?
22:33 <Sour_Sweet> Germany
22:33 <RazorSharpFang> What are they restricted from without training?
22:34 <Sour_Sweet> You for example can't even buy individual shares through your bank without a prior meeting with your customer agent
22:34 <RazorSharpFang> customer agent?
22:35 <Sour_Sweet> He'll talk to you about the risks to make sure the bank can't be held resposible for your losses
22:35 <Sour_Sweet> rep? Whatever your call the stuff :P
22:35 <Sour_Sweet> staff*
22:35 <Schism> Agent sounds about right.
22:36 <Sour_Sweet> Products with a lever are usually not available without some kind of training at all
22:36 <RazorSharpFang> Why on earth would a bank be held liable for your own losses???
22:36 <Sour_Sweet> Because German law is customer friendly
22:37 <Sour_Sweet> If the banks sells you a product without properly making sure you understand the risks they'e liable
22:37 <Sour_Sweet> This is due to lax regulations having been abused in the past
22:37 <RazorSharpFang> Isn't the service they provide just brokerage?
22:37 <Sour_Sweet> Depends
22:38 <Sour_Sweet> You can either buy individual products using basically only their interface and market access or they'll manage it for you
22:39 <Sour_Sweet> In either case they'll have to make sure you understand the risks
22:39 * Thelema5 goes home
22:39 <Thelema5> bye!
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22:39 <Sour_Sweet> And to avoid being held responsible some products might not be available at all for you through your house bank
22:40 <Sour_Sweet> Generally the kind that can cost you more than you've put in (leverage)
22:40 <RazorSharpFang> Hmm. I disagree with the tactic, but I see where the sentiment comes from and can also see some of the benefits it may have for traders who may make poor decisions otherwise.
22:41 <Sour_Sweet> Products that can cost you all your money will generally require you to talk to them first. This includes individual stocks
22:41 <RazorSharpFang> Well, as long as they can't refuse you service for lack of education, etc.
22:41 <Sour_Sweet> Well if you really want to trade that stuff you can find a place that let's you
22:41 <Sour_Sweet> It's just a barrier
22:42 <Sour_Sweet> Consider also that Germans are generally speaking a lot more stock market "shy"
22:43 <Sour_Sweet> Investing as an individual in stocks is not as common here as it is in the U.S.
22:43 <Sour_Sweet> Much of the regulation comes from the era after the financial crash in 2008/2009
22:44 <RazorSharpFang> Hmm, I see.
22:45 <iandroid> In the US they're trying to roll back a lot of the regulations from that era that protect individuals
22:46 <RazorSharpFang> Why should individuals have more protection than corporations for the same product (stock)?
22:47 <Sour_Sweet> Historically speaking a lot of the distance to the financial market comes from our largest ISP - the Deutsche Telekom AG - a former public enterprise - going private and to the stock exchange. It was hyped and sold a lot to individuals at first and then lost lots of it's value.
22:48 <RazorSharpFang> These people made a stupid mistake; it is not anti-freedom to prevent people from the ramifications of their actions?
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22:48 * Snapai blink, blinkblink
22:48 <Sour_Sweet> Usually companies that deal with the stock market (and most other larger companies as well) are their own legal entity. If they loose all their money the company declares bankruptcy and juts vanishes
22:48 <Snapai> Hi I am home :3
22:49 <Snapai> I don't like the stock market.
22:49 * Schism buzzes over and hats on Snapai, offering a dulce de leche cupcake.
22:49 <Snapai> The conceptual basis is broken.
22:49 <Sour_Sweet> just* Sweet Luna -.-
22:49 <RazorSharpFang> Sour_Sweet: And people are the same, if they lose their money, they've lost their money.
22:50 <RazorSharpFang> People would only go into bankruptcy if they have DEBTS they can't pay.
22:50 <Sour_Sweet> But they'll be broke for at least 7 years then
22:50 <Sour_Sweet> Companies just disappear
22:50 <Sour_Sweet> Individuals loose everything
22:50 <RazorSharpFang> Losing assets is no big deal if it's not affecting their ability to pay any debts they have.
22:50 <Snapai> Y'all are missing the biggest issue with the stock market.
22:50 <RazorSharpFang> Investing large amounts of money while you have debts you can't pay if you lose that money if a TERRIBLE idea.
22:50 <Sour_Sweet> You can loose a lot more than you put in on the financial market
22:51 <RazorSharpFang> Sour_Sweet: Through what means?
22:51 <Sour_Sweet> Levers
22:52 <RazorSharpFang> Levers?
22:52 <Sour_Sweet> Also silly people tend to go in debt to "play"
22:52 <Snapai> Stock market works like this: You have money, and you use it to buy part of a company. Then all the people at that company work really hard to turn a profit, and you get the money instead.
22:52 <RazorSharpFang> Stupid people will stupid.
22:52 <RazorSharpFang> Snapai: That company could not exist without investor funds. The investors enable those people to earn a living.
22:53 <Snapai> The only thing you did to justify getting the profits of their money, was be rich.
22:53 <RazorSharpFang> Plenty of investors aren't rich.
22:53 <RazorSharpFang> People
22:53 <RazorSharpFang> Have superannuation. 401ks.
22:53 <Sour_Sweet> If you don't know how leveraged products work I won't explain them here. That goes beyond the scope of this channel
22:54 <Snapai> Companies usually exist well before they go public. In fact, they generally only go public as an exit strategy for the original owners who went to the trouble.
22:54 <Sour_Sweet> Know they exist and that they can both make and cost you A LOT of money
22:54 <RazorSharpFang> Sour_Sweet: Do you mean leaverage in terms of accounting (Use of debt to leverage) ?
22:54 <Sour_Sweet> No
22:54 <Sour_Sweet> That's the leverage effect and is different
22:54 <Snapai> Basically, the relation a company's workforce (as a whole, not individually) has with its stockholders/capitalists is one of indentured servitude.
22:55 <Sour_Sweet> It's just an accounting trick
22:55 <Snapai> Because they owe them a debt that they can never and in fact are not authorized to pay off.
22:55 <RazorSharpFang> Snapai: That's not a true debt; that's equity.
22:55 <Snapai> Rather than, say, a principal on a loan they could pay down with interest, and earn equity back to the company.
22:55 <RazorSharpFang> Remember that you yourself can own parts of any public company you want to at any time basically.
22:56 <RazorSharpFang> Sour_Sweet: Can you PM me a resource to read through then?
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22:56 <Sour_Sweet> https://www.ig.com/au/trading-on-leverage
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22:56 <Sour_Sweet> Haven't read it myself, but I assume it give you an idea
22:56 <RazorSharpFang> Are these margin loans???
22:56 <Snapai> What investors do for companies is what loan sharks and payday lenders do to consumers, and the results are just as bad.
22:56 <Sour_Sweet> No
22:56 <Sour_Sweet> Nothing to do with loans
22:57 <Sour_Sweet> It's gambling on the performance of an asset
22:57 <Sour_Sweet> Promises huge gains and - which is often not pointed out - can cost you everything
22:58 <RazorSharpFang> Snapai: Not really. Loan sharks have real power over individuals, and can drive people into bankruptcy. Shareholders don't hold this kind of power at all; all they can do is vote at meetings, and sell their stock if they don't like what's going on.
22:59 <Snapai> RazorSharpFang, I'm talking about the institutions, and the majority of large stock investments are done by banks on behalf of their accountholders; it isn't individual stockholders, it's yet another company.
22:59 <Snapai> And it's how the moral core is destroyed in most large companies.
23:00 <Snapai> Because they're managed by spreadsheet, and they're not *allowed* to make any decision that doesn't maximize profit.
23:00 <Sour_Sweet> You can also use quite the money with options going wrong
23:00 <Snapai> Companies shouldn't go public, they should get their investment like a mortgage, subservient to labor, and eventually paid off to build the workers' own self-equity. Statutorily in the company's structure; not as a transferrable good.
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23:01 <RazorSharpFang> Sour_Sweet: Isn't this kind of thing opt-in? I have investments in the stock market and paid for my stock up-front and in-full.
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23:01 <Snapai> I have 401ks from several jobs. Those own stocks in companies. I don't have any say, because the terms of those accounts means the 401k organizations actually do the decisionmaking.
23:01 <RazorSharpFang> Snapai: That just locks the public out from the returns of the business doesn't it?
23:01 <Sour_Sweet> Stocks are only one product on the financial market
23:02 <Snapai> RazorSharpFang, that's what taxes are for
23:02 <Sour_Sweet> Options, Futures and the sutff I mentioned above goes under different names sometimes certificates
23:02 <Snapai> If you mean stock investors, then good, they can suck it.
23:02 <RazorSharpFang> I'm a stock investor.
23:02 <RazorSharpFang> I'm also a college student.
23:02 <Sour_Sweet> The financial industry is quite creative finding different names for their gambling :P
23:03 <Snapai> And I see no obligation to give you an opportunity to control other peoples' lives, other than through underwriting loans that can be paid off.
23:03 <Sour_Sweet> I'd personally consider ETFs, but that's about it
23:03 <RazorSharpFang> Sour_Sweet: I fully support locking margin trading behind that "Understand the risks" dealie. But if you want to buy the stock outright, does it still apply?
23:04 <Sour_Sweet> They probably want to see you, yes
23:04 <Sour_Sweet> You might find banks that do it differently
23:04 <Sour_Sweet> Where I worked it was required for individuals stocks
23:04 <RazorSharpFang> Snapai: Control over lives? I get a tiny vote that amounts to a "Yes/No" vote on things they want me to vote on. I have no real power at all.
23:05 <Sour_Sweet> individual*
23:05 <RazorSharpFang> If you want to know what power a shareholder really has, buy a single stock of a company, and attend a shareholder meeting.
23:05 <Snapai> RazorSharpFang, the investor body as a whole does.
23:06 <RazorSharpFang> The investor body as a whole doesn't make functionally any more decisions than an individual shareholder. Difference in scale, not difference in kind.
23:06 <Sour_Sweet> Heh as an individual investor you basically have no power at all
23:06 <Snapai> The stockholders elect the board who hire the CEO who rules the company.
23:06 <Snapai> The result is a company that, no matter where it started, is mandated to do whatever's necessary to turn a profit, morality be damned.
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23:07 <RazorSharpFang> Snapai: It's still people making these decisions. People are going to people.
23:07 <Snapai> (except in the case of privileged stock, in which case the company is usually still held privately by a handful of its original owners)
23:07 <Sour_Sweet> Companies spend a lot time being attractive to individuals and their voices are heard on their yearly meeting, but it's the big fish making decisions
23:07 <Snapai> It's also a big suck on the company's bottom line.
23:08 <Snapai> I much prefer worker cooperatives, like the 83000 employee industrial one in Spain.
23:08 <Sour_Sweet> Look at the stock ownership distribution of a company and you'll realize few players have more than 75% usually
23:09 <Snapai> It doesn't just change the financials, it changes the entire power distribution in the company - when the CEO is beholden to the workers rather than an outside body. The corporate organization no longer operates as a pyramid.
23:09 <Sour_Sweet> Add tot that that many banks exercise the voting rights for their clients here
23:10 <RazorSharpFang> Snapai: Well, if worker cooperatives are better for everyone, I'm sure that in time they'll prove themselves and be ubiquitous everywhere.
23:10 <Sour_Sweet> Don't think so
23:10 <Snapai> Working on it.
23:10 <Sour_Sweet> As the rich get richer there is no benefit in having those for the people who actually have the funds to invest
23:11 <Snapai> The Moog factory just went employee-owned.
23:11 <Snapai> And there are a number of privately-held businesses that operate similar models.
23:11 <Sour_Sweet> Investors want stability and that achieved when tiny groups have all the power
23:11 <Snapai> About half of US agriculture uses the same model too.
23:11 <Sour_Sweet> that's* god dang it.
23:12 <Sour_Sweet> Well but to how much of the GDP to they sum up?
23:12 <Snapai> (I'm just throwing a number on that rather than something I read but eh)
23:13 <Sour_Sweet> While there might a couple of companies doing that kind of business their overall impact is low
23:13 <Snapai> Sunkist, Land O'Lakes, Ocean Spray, Organic Valley, Blue Diamond almond growers, Sun-Maid, Sunsweet, Welch's, etc...
23:13 <Sour_Sweet> Out of my head I know about one company that does kind of company model and it's not even in Germany
23:14 <Snapai> Not all of those are all-workers mind; they're brands collectively owned by their member farms, but the principle is the same.
23:15 <Sour_Sweet> Well do it actually own all the assets or is it just a collective?
23:15 <Sour_Sweet> Because we have those too, but those are basically interest groups
23:16 <Snapai> Ace Hardware, True Value, Best Western, Bob's Red Mill, Cabot Creamery, Tillamook,
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23:16 <Sour_Sweet> We actually have a bank that kinda does business like that
23:16 <Sour_Sweet> (Volksbank)
23:16 <Snapai> Oh! New Belgium and Publix use some form of employee-ownership.
23:16 <Snapai> (New Belgium Brewing Company)
23:16 <iandalton`> What does interest group mean in this context?
23:17 <iandalton`> And do collectives not own the assets?
23:17 <Sour_Sweet> We have farmers here in interest groups that for example sell their products as one big entity. They provide the infrastructure for that and make the prices
23:17 <RazorSharpFang> I guess we'll see then Snapai. I hope you're correct, and what you say is true and will come to pass, since I like it. Even so, I doubt it will happen, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
23:17 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Art Gallery) #2191 [ http://tinyurl.com/hkdch9n ]
23:18 <Snapai> RazorSharpFang, corporations can absolutely beat cooperatives short term, but in a long term game cooperatives perform far better, because they don't leak money the way corporations do
23:19 <Sour_Sweet> But do they? As cooperatives are owned by the worked they're unable to make certain economical decisions without bias
23:20 <RazorSharpFang> Snapai: That might explain a few things: There's a larger emphasis on short term gains right now in a lot of investors.
23:20 <Sour_Sweet> workers* I should give up
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23:20 <RazorSharpFang> Sour_Sweet: I think that bias goes both ways
23:20 <Sour_Sweet> Imagine Apple as a cooperative. Producing in China? Say what?
23:21 <Sour_Sweet> Apple wouldn't be nearly as profitable
23:21 <SaultSteMarie> Yes they would.
23:21 <SaultSteMarie> They'd just jack up the price and since they had a good reason for doing it people would still buy it
23:21 * Schism looks outside at the sunset. "Suddenly, I feel like eating some tangerines."
23:21 <SaultSteMarie> Also they could jack up the price without a good reason and people would still buy it.
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23:21 <Sour_Sweet> Which harms growth and gives a competitive disadvantage against more traditional companies
23:22 <Sour_Sweet> SaultSteMarie: Increasing the price lowers the market volume
23:22 <Schism> After a certain point; a huge part of market economics is finding that 'sweet spot'.
23:23 <Sour_Sweet> And while Apple can do that now they might not have been as successful if they did that 6 years ago
23:24 <Sour_Sweet> Their strong brand is what lets them get away with crap like that but pre-iPod? Who knew Apple? A bunch of nerds?
23:24 <Schism> 15 years ago, you mean.
23:24 <Sour_Sweet> Yeah i lost track about when the iPhone happened
23:24 <SaultSteMarie> apple personality cult's been strong since like 2007.
23:24 <Schism> Oh, not even just the iPhone. Apple's been branding and pushing their proprietary hardware for well over a decade.
23:25 <SaultSteMarie> also that idk why i said 2007
23:25 <Sour_Sweet> Sure, but the iPhone is what made them mainstream
23:25 <SaultSteMarie> iPod really
23:25 <Sour_Sweet> Both
23:25 <SaultSteMarie> the original iPhone was just a crappy iPod you could talk at
23:25 <Schism> T'was in 2005 that Apple finally made the switch to Intel processors instead of PowerPC, and before that, they were still huge with their machines.
23:26 <Sour_Sweet> But you could scratch all the revenue from the iPods and computers and they wouldn't even notice
23:26 <Schism> It is true that the mobile market is now their biggest chunk of revenue, yes.
23:27 <Schism> Though I wonder how many of those half-cents from the App Store add up...
23:27 <Sour_Sweet> The iPhone is their cash cow. Everything else is kinda irrelevant. Look at how neglected their computers are right now
23:27 <RazorSharpFang> What computers? ;)
23:28 <Snapai> RazorSharpFang, Sour_Sweet - cooperatives do tend to make labor-biased decisions, they won't outsource or layoff except as a last resort or if they've actually run out of labor to do the work.
23:28 <Snapai> But when they turn a profit, they *cannot* pay off their investors. They could just divide into a giant bonus check for their employees but typically they don't.
23:29 <Snapai> The money typically is stored in internally-funded retirement accounts with fixed payoff speeds - meaning that the company can borrow against its own funds (and unlike Enron, everyone can actually look at the books and see what they're doing with it)
23:29 <Snapai> And only some of the profits are put that way, others go into the indivisible account, just to be used as future budget for reinvestment into the company.
23:30 <Snapai> Effectively, they're always investing in themselves at the max rate barring outside money.
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23:30 <Sour_Sweet> In my opinion incorporated companies are cancer, but it's a quick way for the founder to make money off the company even if it isn't even profitable
23:30 <Sour_Sweet> e.g. FB
23:30 <RazorSharpFang> Is FB still not profitable?
23:31 <Sour_Sweet> Now they are probably
23:31 <Sour_Sweet> But they sure as hell were not when they went to NASDAQ
23:31 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, that makes sense
23:32 <RazorSharpFang> Meanwhile, Twitter's absolutely tanking in the stock I think.
23:32 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, just checked. Looks bad.
23:32 <Sour_Sweet> Heh Twitter's stock opening was amazing
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23:33 <Sour_Sweet> There was a company that was traded as TWTR. They had to suspend trading because silly people thought they were buying Twitter stock
23:34 <Sour_Sweet> Price went through the roof ... and crashed
23:34 <Sour_Sweet> Don't even know if they survived that
23:34 <RazorSharpFang> Which company was that do you know?
23:34 <Sour_Sweet> No idea
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23:35 <Sour_Sweet> It's been some time
23:35 <Sour_Sweet> Probably still using that handle
23:35 <Sour_Sweet> If they still exist
23:35 <RazorSharpFang> "NYSE: TWTR" is twitter, what could that company be?
23:36 <Sour_Sweet> Haha
23:36 <Sour_Sweet> They changed the handle xD
23:36 <Sour_Sweet> http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/08/investing/twtr-symbol/
23:37 <RazorSharpFang> TWTRQ lmao, haha
23:38 <Sour_Sweet> Yeah I must have forgotten the Q
23:38 <RazorSharpFang> Apparently, it's defunct.
23:38 <Sour_Sweet> Story was hilarious at the time though
23:39 <SaultSteMarie> I think I've misunderstood like, city building in every 4X
23:39 <SaultSteMarie> I assumed you were always supposed to specialize your cities but I think most 4Xes go with like, prioritizing a build order over specializing /per se/
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23:44 <Sour_Sweet> Impossible
23:45 <Sour_Sweet> The heretic himself
23:45 * Sour_Sweet pokes wobniaR with a stick to make sure he isn't dead
23:45 <wobniaR> U
23:46 <wobniaR> I are aliv
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23:47 * Princess-Luna chuckles
23:48 <Sour_Sweet> I'd slap you but you know what one says about dead horses
23:49 <SaultSteMarie> Tesco loves 'em???
23:51 <Sour_Sweet> And then I read on your Twitter feed to see how to tease you and bam spoilers ...
23:53 <wobniaR> Pls a majority of my feed is shitposts
23:53 <Sour_Sweet> Of course it's Twitter
23:54 <Sour_Sweet> It's shitposting, bots and now - for a change - my primary source for U.S. politics
23:54 <wobniaR> Haha enjoy
23:54 <Sour_Sweet> :D
23:55 <Sour_Sweet> I was kidding of course. I rather read Breitbart. That way you know in advance. (O.K. I swear that's my final one)
23:56 <wobniaR> You can always read Princess-Luna's 4 feeds for all the lewds and butts
23:56 <Sour_Sweet> Which one of the twenty? :P
23:57 <Sour_Sweet> Oh nvm you mentioned the 4 already
23:57 <Sour_Sweet> Joke's on me
23:57 <wobniaR> 😉
23:59 <Sour_Sweet> !link https://derpibooru.org/1381828
23:59 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this picture is about artist:gmberrow desktop trixie computer starlight glimmer (and 5 more)
23:59 <Sour_Sweet> I want that sticker
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