00:01 <Cepheid> Hmm?
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00:19 <ADragonDreaming> Cepheid: https://imgur.com/gallery/zWg8S
00:20 <Schism> Pffff. In the Triptych Continuum, Philomena is "essentially Angel Bunny with wings, extra centuries of prodding experience, somewhat improved long-term planning skills, and a nastier sense of humor."
00:21 <Schism> ADra: Indeed, mentioned to Cephy that the game seems made for him. I hope its development quickens soon.
00:22 <Cepheid> I am familiar with the game, yes. :P
00:24 <ADragonDreaming> But did you hear about the cat game
00:27 <Librarian> http://fav.me/dbw1wml
00:27 <Librarian> just made it, i not conviced
00:27 <Librarian> watcha think?
00:31 <Cepheid> I am familiar with it, ADragonDreaming.
00:31 <Cepheid> It's hard for me not to be aware of it.
00:31 <ADragonDreaming> Cool.
00:31 <ADragonDreaming> Did you hear about the cat- nah I'll stop.
00:32 * Cepheid thwaps ADragonDreaming.
00:41 <Cepheid> Hum, what's the next update for Oxygen Not Included..?
00:42 <Cepheid> Transit Tubes.
00:43 <Cepheid> Basically a replacement for ladders. You place tubes, stations, and your dupes use the tubes to move around.
00:49 <Cepheid> How to lose money faster than via spending it: Just be any sort of business that provides a server, and then screw it all up
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00:56 <Cepheid> I'm starting to suspect Spitfire doesn't know what a cardboard box is for.
00:57 <Cepheid> He gets in it, but then he just sits and looks around in a "Uh... what now?" look.
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01:07 <Cepheid> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JnoIicuZMo
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01:09 <Cepheid> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56sg2NId540 I wonder what the cat's feeling to cause it to jerk back every time it licks the plasma globe.
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01:24 <Golden> I am so close to finishing turnabout Serenade
01:31 * Cepheid wanders off to bed. Needs to be up early tomorrow.
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01:58 <Tempest-Shadow> dear boy, that's a stepladder
02:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1282 [ http://tinyurl.com/ybs9znth ]
02:02 <Braixen> guys
02:02 <Braixen> u may wanna check this out https://youtu.be/2IhYNF6_m0Q
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02:21 <Schism> "Would somepony please check my math?" --Luna causes accountants to scream in sudden terror
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02:54 <Golden> Good night everypony
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03:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Roundup #1448 [ http://tinyurl.com/y8rbnk4a ]
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03:00 * Filly_Nightmares kneads the ground and sits on Schism
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03:14 <Saerydoth> I've been reminded why I never beat Oracle of Ages/Oracle of Seasons when they came out
03:15 <Saerydoth> these games just ooze bad design
03:15 * Filly_Nightmares nests on Saerydoth's face
03:15 <Saerydoth> there's one part where you have to save scum potentially hundreds of times (well you don't HAVE to but the alternative is killing tens of thousands of monsters)
03:16 <Saerydoth> I'm approaching 200 now
03:17 <Schism> What is that locale, then?
03:17 <Schism> I beat the games, and I forget when that was...
03:17 <Saerydoth> getting the heart piece from the witch
03:18 <Saerydoth> it's not hard, you can save scum it, it's just annoying. *bam* reload, *bam*, reload, potentially for an hour or two
03:18 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Yeeee
03:18 <Saerydoth> without save scumming you have to kill 15 or 30 monsters for each attempt
03:19 <Schism> Oh right. It's not that rare, but it's a pain.
03:19 <Saerydoth> I just hit 200 attempts
03:19 <Saerydoth> I saw it once but it landed right next to her
03:19 * The_Nostalgia_Mare fangirlsquees on Ali! "And BAYONETTA 3!"
03:19 <Schism> Well, I don't remember it being that hard... but yeah. It does that. ._.
03:19 <Saerydoth> this is what happens when you have C and D teams design games. I wonder if they had the janitors design these
03:20 * Ali squeaks at The_Nostalgia_Mare
03:21 * Ali sweeps by Saerydoth
03:21 * Saerydoth hugs
03:24 <Saerydoth> 225
03:26 * DashedRainbows hugs Ali
03:26 * Ali leans into DashedRainbows
03:28 <Saerydoth> saw it again at 230, couldn't get it
03:28 <Saerydoth> maybe by 500
03:35 <PinkieShy> tf2 is really full of jerks... isn't it
03:35 <PinkieShy> even admins on it are cyberbullying people.. Including me..
03:41 <Filly_Nightmares> Wat
03:41 <Filly_Nightmares> Wat servers are you joining
03:41 <PinkieShy> disc-ff
03:42 <PinkieShy> prophunt
03:42 <Filly_Nightmares> Dunno that server.
03:42 <Filly_Nightmares> I know of prophunt though
03:42 <Filly_Nightmares> o4o
03:44 <PinkieShy> Filly_Nightmares they muted me for just using voice
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03:44 <PinkieShy> and they made threats to ban me in the chat for whatever reason.. I did nothing wrong.. :(
03:49 * Filly_Nightmares sits on PinkieShy
03:51 * PinkieShy starts crying
04:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Bonus Music #106 [ http://tinyurl.com/ycfryjch ]
04:13 * Schism hugs PinkieShy as well. :< "Some people, especially folks online, are just ... bleh."
04:13 * Schism also offers some oven-warm cooki...
04:17 * Ali flops over Saerydoth, she finally got the warm doublet
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04:18 * Schism plies Ali with these oven-warm chocolate-chip cookies as well. "I do a lot of baking... and these are easy, easy things."
04:18 <Schism> Dangerously so, in fact.
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04:34 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
04:35 * Schism finally gets the proportions right on the cookie dough. "Three full batches of cookies, exactly 31 in total." Yes, that's exactly how many came out of the oven. Surely it is.
04:35 <Schism> And hihi.
04:39 * DashedRainbows hugs Thelema5
04:39 * Thelema5 counterhugs
04:39 <PinkieShy> Hey Thelema5
04:39 <DashedRainbows> I just don't know what to do
04:40 <Thelema5> What's going on?
04:41 <DashedRainbows> I just want this to stop
04:41 <Thelema5> Still sick?
04:41 <DashedRainbows> Sadly so
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04:42 <CleverDerpy> Zelda won game of the year~
04:42 * DashedRainbows cries in CleverDerpy's hooves
04:42 <CleverDerpy> derp?
04:43 <CleverDerpy> what's wrong, muffin?
04:43 * CleverDerpy pets slowly and licks up her tears
04:43 <DashedRainbows> Sick
04:43 <CleverDerpy> awww, would you like derpy to give you some homade noodle soup
04:43 <DashedRainbows> Like bed ridden two days sick
04:44 <DashedRainbows> I wish I could keep it in long enough
04:44 <CleverDerpy> aww, you poor thing
04:44 <DashedRainbows> I drank some chamomile earlier maybe it helps
04:44 * CleverDerpy brushies you cutely
04:46 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> CleverDerpy.
04:46 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Breath of the Wild won GOTY.
04:46 <CleverDerpy> I know, I just said dat~
04:46 <CleverDerpy> eee, so excited
04:47 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> And its DLC pack 2 is coming out tonight.
04:47 <CleverDerpy> this is Nintendo's very first game of the year award
04:47 <CleverDerpy> they darn well deserve it
04:47 <CleverDerpy> I know, excited~
04:48 <CleverDerpy> did you see the voice actress who plays Pauline was on stage singing jump up super star?
04:48 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> YES!
04:48 * CleverDerpy fan fillies with Nossy
04:48 * The_Nostalgia_Mare fangirl squees CleverDerpy.
04:49 <CleverDerpy> so exciting, now I know how pinkie pie feels~
04:53 * DashedRainbows partycannons
04:55 <CleverDerpy> happy derpy~
04:56 <CleverDerpy> tonight was great
04:56 <CleverDerpy> and when I saw that motor cycle, weren't you instantly reminded of Mario kart 8?
04:57 <DashedRainbows> I forgot that was today
04:59 <Schism> And next, Nintendo will partner with Bethesda to release Breath of the Wild: GOTY edition, which will never be patched ever again.
04:59 <CleverDerpy> I dun think so,
04:59 <Schism> I know, I know, joking.
04:59 * CleverDerpy boops Schism
05:00 <CleverDerpy> you're siwwy
05:00 * Schism counters with some chocolate chip muffins.
05:00 * CleverDerpy squeaks
05:00 <CleverDerpy> let's celebrate
05:00 * CleverDerpy gives one of those muffins to The_Nostalgia_Mare
05:00 * Thelema5 cracks open some bubbly
05:00 * Thelema5 partycannons
05:02 <CleverDerpy> awww,
05:02 <CleverDerpy> derpy wanted sparkling grape juice
05:02 <Thelema5> I've given in and am finally watching The Room because I'm planning on seeing The Disaster Artist this weekend. It's pretty bad, but so far it's far from "the worst movie ever made"
05:02 <CleverDerpy> it's fancy, but doesn't make you sick
05:03 <CleverDerpy> Nossy, let me know when the party on the game goes live, oki?
05:03 <CleverDerpy> derpy needs to make a celebratory feast
05:03 <Thelema5> Pretty much what you'd expect from a privately funded film independant film made by film-school dropouts
05:05 <Thelema5> Terrible writing, terrible acting... but at least the sets, costume design, and cinematography and editing seem okayish
05:05 <PinkieShy> So i told my dad about the cyberbullies on tf2..
05:06 <Thelema5> Is he gonna go beat em up?
05:06 <PinkieShy> He told me just stay away from that server.. Its sick people like those that bullied me that causes people to hurt themselfs.. That is what he said :3
05:06 <PinkieShy> Thelema5 that's all he really can do is tell me that really.. I mean the people is online xD
05:06 <PinkieShy> They could be anywhere in the world..
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05:10 <Thelema5> Yeah, there's no reason to hang out with terrible people. You're better than that.
05:10 <Schism> Thelema5: I believe that 'the color came out very well' was one of the few good things anyone's ever said about Manos: the Hands of Fate.
05:12 * Filly_Nightmares buzzes at Schism
05:12 * Schism carefully avoids giving Filly_Nightmares more chocolate chip cookies.
05:12 * Filly_Nightmares buzzes moar!
05:16 <Thelema5> I still need to watch that one, Schism
05:16 * Ali flops over Thelema5. "BOTW is brutal."
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05:18 <CleverDerpy> hiya Ali,
05:18 <CleverDerpy> gonna try the new BotW content
05:19 * Ali cuddles up itno CleverDerpy, she's getting her fillybutt kicked by BotW
05:19 <CleverDerpy> are you trying the champion's ballad?
05:20 * DashedRainbows curls up in CleverDerpy's wings
05:20 <CleverDerpy> aw~
05:20 * CleverDerpy pets both her lovely friends
05:21 <CleverDerpy> Ali, did you hear?
05:21 <CleverDerpy> BotW is GotY
05:21 <Ali> CleverDerpy, I just started the game
05:21 <Ali> And glad it got GotY, it was either that or Mario
05:21 <CleverDerpy> Iwata-san must be so proud
05:22 <Ali> Its a different take on the game, I'm not used to a jump button X.x
05:22 <CleverDerpy> oh, yeah...
05:22 <CleverDerpy> breath of the wild is... tricky
05:22 <CleverDerpy> but you'll get used to it
05:22 <CleverDerpy> trust me, you'll figure it out
05:23 * Ali has 4 hearts, suddenely dead by a basic mob
05:25 <CleverDerpy> Ali, although this is a Zelda game, it is about survival too
05:25 <CleverDerpy> here's a small hint that might help ya
05:25 <DashedRainbows> DashedRainbows: 1994-2017 it seems
05:26 * Ali bonks DashedRainbows for saying that.
05:26 <Thelema5> DashedRainbows, have you been to a doctor? You shouldn't be this sick for so long.
05:26 <CleverDerpy> before you make your way to the big church place, find some weapons, try going to a small island in the middle of a pond, and look near the old man
05:27 <CleverDerpy> you'll find some great starting weapons, just make sure before you take enemies on, you come prepared
05:27 <DashedRainbows> I've thought of it, but my past experience says I can wait it out here too
05:27 <CleverDerpy> and just because you have limited weapon uses, doesn't mean you need to use only weapons to knock out baddies
05:28 <CleverDerpy> try being creative, Ali Ali, you can do it~
05:28 <Ali> CleverDerpy, I kinda already jumped off the starting area
05:29 <CleverDerpy> ouch
05:29 <DashedRainbows> In the past I've sought medical help and had an even worse time
05:29 * Ali really needs more HP, she feels 4 is way too low for this game right now. Didn't help that the rock miniboss was OHKOing her
05:29 <CleverDerpy> you need more hearts, but there is another thing you should look for
05:29 <CleverDerpy> armor
05:30 <CleverDerpy> you can find it in places, and it's often stronger than basic gear
05:30 <Thelema5> DashedRainbows, you don't have to follow their advice.
05:30 <DashedRainbows> Some doctors are rather heartless and direct
05:32 <DashedRainbows> Unfortunately, while that's true now it wasn't when these negative experience occurred
05:35 * Filly_Nightmares buzzes around Ali!
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05:41 <Thelema5> Okay, I'm getting to the point with this bad movie now where I usually stop watching bad movies. It's not going anywhere, I understand the movie but there's no vision... and I am just going to waste my time with that moving forward
05:45 <Thelema5> "You are tearing me apart, lisa". OKay. Noteworthy badness.
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05:48 <Thelema5> OKay, this movie is heading steeply downhill very quickly
05:50 <RazorSharpFang> Thelema5, You are courageous for watching the movie.
05:51 <Thelema5> Yeah, I wanted context before seeing The Disaster Artist on Saturday
05:52 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Thelema5 how far are you in the Room?
05:53 <Thelema5> Just over half way. Johnny and Mark are talking about "women" with the psychologist friend
05:54 <Thelema5> "peter"
05:55 <Thelema5> "Cheep, cheep cheep cheep cheep cheeeeeeeep" was just uttered
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05:55 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> CleverDerpy.
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05:56 <The_Nostalgia-Mare> XD
05:57 <The_Nostalgia-Mare> Thelema5: Not used to Tommy's acting?
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06:00 <Thelema5> Okay, so Mark just tried to kill Peter, and then they're both okay with that
06:01 <Thelema5> I take back my earlier assessment... the storytelling is so horrible that it elevates this film above "most" bad movies
06:02 <Thelema5> Oh, another round of "cheep cheep cheep, cheeeeep"
06:02 <RazorSharpFang> I've never actually watched it
06:03 <Thelema5> Me either until now... I'm an hour plus in... it's bad, growing worse.... but so far not the worst movie I've seen
06:04 <Thelema5> It does seem to be getting progessively worse as time passes
06:05 <Thelema5> The first half is super cringey.
06:15 <Thelema5> The_Nostalgia-Mare, Oh gosh, just got to the party. I know everything that happens here, just waiting for it to play out
06:19 <The_Nostalgia-Mare> Heh.
06:21 <DashedRainbows> That movie was, yeah, cringey at first
06:21 * Schism flops. Do you want your possessions identified?
06:22 <Thelema5> "The Room", it's a terrible movie
06:22 <Thelema5> Many people say it's the worst movie ever
06:23 <Thelema5> I don't agree. But the Character Lisa is a horrible person.
06:23 <RazorSharpFang> Controversial opinion that
06:24 <Thelema5> I know. It's bad, really bad. Nearly unwatchable and without any merit. I agree with that.
06:24 <Thelema5> But The Worst? I'm not so sure.
06:24 <ADragonDreaming> After all...
06:24 <ADragonDreaming> Gidget Goes to Rome exists
06:24 <RazorSharpFang> perhaps, but surely you could understand why someone might subjectively say "This is the worst movie"
06:25 * Thelema5 has 15 minutes of the movie left, so anything goes
06:25 <The_Nostalgia-Mare> XD
06:25 <ADragonDreaming> Here's the thing about "this is the worst movie"
06:25 <The_Nostalgia-Mare> Ok I'm heading to bed
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06:25 <ADragonDreaming> every leaves off "that I've seen"
06:26 <RazorSharpFang> I dunno, I think "the room" is the worst movie and I haven't seen it.
06:28 * PinkieShy hugs ADragonDreaming
06:29 <Thelema5> I've finally watched it, it's bad. Really bad. Not the worst, though. The acting and writing were probably the worst, but the editing, cinematography, set design and costume design were okay.
06:29 <Thelema5> I was able to sit through the whole thing, so I guess that counts for something.
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06:33 <Snapai> I just noticed something really neat.
06:33 <Snapai> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHf-YnY9k7k
06:33 <Snapai> I always knew this was used to test out the new mouths, since it's the first place they appear in the series, and their use looks really weird like the animators were figuring them out-
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06:34 <Snapai> But actually, looking at the scene, I think this might've been a new batch of animators learning the ropes or something.
06:35 <Snapai> Each shot, you can sorta see a point in the shot where the character is pretty much in the character-setup/layout pose of "we just copied this straight from the model file" - but around that point the characters move towards better and better animation.
06:35 <Snapai> Per-shot.
06:36 <Snapai> https://puu.sh/yBQyG/c5d17c6123.png
06:36 * Thelema5 watching te final scenes of The Room
06:36 <Snapai> but definitely they had never used those mouths before.
06:36 <Thelema5> O.o
06:37 * Thelema5 WTF?
06:38 <Thelema5> OK. Maybe worst movie ever
06:40 <DashedRainbows> I couldn't sit through it
06:41 <Thelema5> Okay, worst movie ending ever
06:41 * DashedRainbows curls up in Thelema5's hooves
06:42 <DashedRainbows> It hurts!
06:43 <Thelema5> Dude, go to a hospital, now.
06:43 <Thelema5> It's straight up stupid at this point to wait it out.
06:43 <DashedRainbows> How can they help me with this?
06:44 <Thelema5> With medicine.
06:44 <Thelema5> Just go. Now.
06:45 <DashedRainbows> Medicine isn't magic
06:45 <Thelema5> Don't be stupid. just go.
06:46 <Thelema5> It's not magic. it's science.
06:46 <Thelema5> Science is getting better every day.
06:50 <RazorSharpFang> Actually, if magic were real, you could use the scientific method (empiricism) on it, so it would be science.
06:52 <PinkieShy> oh come on!! :/
06:52 <PinkieShy> My game crashed XD
06:52 <PinkieShy> Saints row 2..
06:52 <PinkieShy> I was having the FBI chase me xD
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06:53 <Thelema5> DashedRainbows still needs to speak with a medical professional
06:55 <CleverDerpy> I cleared the 4 champion shrines
06:56 <CleverDerpy> it's not easy
06:56 <CleverDerpy> cuz you got a weapon that can kill instantly, but it forces you to your last breath, so apparently...
06:58 <DashedRainbows> I'm fine, Thelema5, just need to stay hydrated
06:59 <DashedRainbows> I've been far worse in the hospital so why bother
06:59 <DashedRainbows> And with that good night
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07:13 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
07:18 <DataByte> Hey there!
07:18 * ConfusionRift waves.
07:19 * DataByte particles.
07:20 <DataByte> I put up a net neutrality banner on my website
07:20 <DataByte> I feel very official now
07:22 * DashedRainbows licks ConfusionRift
07:23 * ConfusionRift boops DashedRainbows.
07:23 <DashedRainbows> It's hard to sleep right now
07:25 <ConfusionRift> Oh, we having that issue too.
07:25 <ConfusionRift> Weather decided to be winter.
07:25 <DashedRainbows> Same here
07:25 <ConfusionRift> Went from mildly warm to stupid cold in nothing.
07:26 <DashedRainbows> It's freezing, literally
07:26 <DataByte> That happened earlier this week here, too - spring-like weather, warm winds (windy day), ends with a rainstorm.
07:26 <DataByte> Next day, it tried to snow
07:27 <DashedRainbows> Guess I should try to sleep though. Night
07:28 <DataByte> you do that
07:28 <DataByte> go now ;P
07:28 * ConfusionRift patpats DashedRainbows. "Have a good one."
07:28 * DataByte uses sorcery to summon Princess Luna to bid Dashed to sleep
07:30 <ConfusionRift> Should I bring the Sleepy Bye Time?
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08:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: The Top 10 Pony Videos of November 2017 [ http://tinyurl.com/yb5kvthm ]
08:38 * Filly_Nightmares curls up on top of ConfusionRift and goes sleepies
08:38 <Filly_Nightmares> Nini
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08:42 * ConfusionRift patpats Sleeping_Nightmares. "Lateeers."
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09:05 <MidnightLotus> Hello
09:06 <ConfusionRift> Hallo.
09:06 <MidnightLotus> hows everyone this evening?
09:07 <ConfusionRift> Just playing starbound.
09:08 <MidnightLotus> cool what other games do u play usually?
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09:10 <ConfusionRift> It varies. Was playing Minecraft way earlier, then moved the Super Mario Odyssey to finish something I left off. Was feeling like the exploration/builder mood at the moment.
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09:11 <MidnightLotus> i miss when minecraft first came out. it was rly fun finding new skins.
09:12 <MidnightLotus> i may be just burnt out on it though
09:12 * ConfusionRift nods.
09:12 <ConfusionRift> Did for a while too.
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09:15 <ConfusionRift> And then, there was Hollow Knight... guuuuhhhh.
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09:18 <MidnightLotus> havent tried hollow knight yet
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09:19 <MidnightLotus> brb
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10:18 * Cepheid awakens.
10:19 <ConfusionRift> He awaaaakeeeens! (echoes)
10:19 <Cepheid> I'd prefer to still be asleep, but my eyes itch something feirce this morning.
10:24 * Cepheid blames ConfusionRift.
10:25 <ConfusionRift> Yes, my super irritating itchy powder works! I mean... huh?
10:26 <Cepheid> So how are you all this morning?
10:26 <ConfusionRift> Playing Starbound.
10:28 <Cepheid> I'll be getting back to that this weekend. Or after Tuesday. One or the other.
10:28 <Tirek> toki
10:28 <Cepheid> Monday and Tuesday I have exams. At 7 PM.
10:28 <Tirek> Good luck.
10:29 <Cepheid> One is in Web Apps development. I'll study for that one. The other is in Systems Programming. Not sure I'll study for that one.
10:31 <Tirek> Got a toothache so I haven't slept.
10:36 * Cepheid holds up a baseball bat. "I can fix that."
10:40 <Cepheid> Huh. Second half of the DLC was released for Breath of the Wild, and includes... a motorcycle. o.o
10:41 <ConfusionRift> Going all Mad Max? :P
10:41 <Cepheid> Also Bayonetta 1 & 2 for Switch, and Bayonetta 3.
10:42 <Cepheid> Actually a motorcycle doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility for Breath of the Wild, given the technology demonstrated in the game.
10:42 <ConfusionRift> Wait. Would... I doubt it, but would be crazy if they included 1 and 2 with the third one.
10:43 <Cepheid> As far as I know that's not the case.
10:43 <ConfusionRift> Boo.
10:43 <Cepheid> 1 & 2 are being released in February, though.
10:43 <ConfusionRift> The early releases of Bayonetta 2 included the first.
10:44 <Cepheid> Yeah I know.
10:45 <Cepheid> February 16th release date. Two days after Valentine's Day.
10:45 <ConfusionRift> Still, great that they're porting them.
10:45 <ConfusionRift> heh.
10:46 <Cepheid> "Hey, here's some flowers for you." "Hey, here's Bayonetta 1 & 2 for you."
10:46 <Pinmane> Hey, you look thin, have a sandwich
10:48 <Cepheid> "I'm breaking up with you to live with my waifu, Bayonetta."
10:48 <Cepheid> ... A woman was caught driving 60km/h under the speed limit on the 401 highway, thought the speed limit was 50 km/hr, ignored police trying to stop her, and also did not have car insurance.
10:50 <Cepheid> Truth told, Bayonetta 1 & 2 for the Switch isn't much of a surprise. It was... hinted at a while back.
10:51 <ConfusionRift> Love the Floran. :P
10:51 <DataByte> 60km/h _under_ the limit.
10:51 <Cepheid> DataByte: Yep.
10:51 <Cepheid> Under.
10:52 <DataByte> That's both amusing and scary
10:52 <DataByte> didn't even give mind to all of the other cars whizzing by, trying to not hit her car
10:52 <Cepheid> She was also in the fast lane.
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10:54 <ConfusionRift> Problem about Florans. Brain literally just a pea.
10:54 <Cepheid> Literally.
10:55 <Cepheid> It is however, interesting that they figured out how to manipulate space-faring ships with such a brain, though.
10:56 <Cepheid> ...
10:56 <ConfusionRift> I think that was a loaner or A.I. :P
10:56 <Cepheid> nVidia made a $3,000 video card.
10:56 <Cepheid> The nVidia TITAN V.
10:57 <ConfusionRift> Is it like 8K SUHD with quad turbo processors? o_0
10:57 <Cepheid> Hell if I know.
10:58 <Cepheid> It does not appear to be designed for gaming.
10:59 <Cepheid> The specs and their website implies it's designed for Compute and Deep Learning.
11:00 <Cepheid> Which would explain the excessive cost.
11:01 <ConfusionRift> Probably not necessarily of high specs. Maybe it's more... malleable systems design and such.
11:02 <Cepheid> Mmm, the specs seem high, but again, it's not designed specifically for games.
11:02 <Cepheid> Might run them well, sure, but it'll be replaced by cheaper cards that perform better in a few months, probably.
11:03 <RazorSharpFang> Cepheid, Isn't that true for all months? (ala, you'll always wait, saying "The hardware will be cheaper in a month's time"
11:04 <ConfusionRift> Wait... the NVidia 1080 IS ABOUT $600?! Urgh, which saw that earlier.
11:04 <Cepheid> That is true, but I am referring to more publically-available hardware.
11:04 <Cepheid> $600? That's not bad.
11:04 <Cepheid> It's $1000 here.
11:05 <ConfusionRift> Here's the kicker. For Black Friday, they were selling an HP system with said card for $550.
11:05 <Cepheid> Heh.
11:06 <Cepheid> But yeah, average price appears to be $900 CAD or so. Lowest is $699 from Gigabyte.
11:06 <ConfusionRift> 8 GB of RAM, 2TB HD, and with Win 10 basic. The system was worth the card alone!
11:07 <Cepheid> Makes me wonder about the reliability and structural integrity then, if they could sell it that cheap.
11:07 <ConfusionRift> We still have a bunch of boxes of them, which is worrisome.
11:07 <ConfusionRift> Then again, no one here knows jack. So I don't know.
11:12 <ConfusionRift> Those cheap Chinese tablets that break and lock after like a month sell much faster just for the value.
11:12 <Cepheid> New project from From Software. Hum.
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11:15 <ConfusionRift> What... what?!
11:15 <Cepheid> No name associated with it, but they revealed a snippet.
11:15 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/fromsoftware_pr/status/938953267328909312
11:15 <Cepheid> Doesn't appear to be Dark Souls 4 or anything like that.
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11:19 <ConfusionRift> Seems Schism did rapid progress.
11:20 <Cepheid> Yeah, he's been advancing stuff considerably in my away time.
11:21 <ConfusionRift> Just two artifacts left to open the door to the nether... I mean, unknown.
11:27 <Cepheid> ... My dad's alarm hasn't gone off yet. I'm wondering if I should check up on him.
11:31 <Cepheid> Oh, there it goes.
11:32 <ConfusionRift> Gonna give it a break and eat a little somethin' somethin'.
11:34 <Gladiolus> i just finished a 5600 word paper with 20 references
11:34 * Gladiolus flops to sleep, dies
11:34 <Gladiolus> goodnight
11:35 <ConfusionRift> Lateeers.
11:42 <ConfusionRift> Hmmm! That apple cake be gooood!
11:42 <Cepheid> Heh.
11:43 <ConfusionRift> They made it kinda like a pound cake, and put fresh apples on it.
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12:04 <Cepheid> Right, I'm gonna go get a few more hours of sleep. Back later.
12:04 <ConfusionRift> Alrighty. Have a good one.
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13:05 <Jahnesta> Helloo
13:05 <ConfusionRift> Hey there.
13:06 <Jahnesta> How are things here?
13:08 <ConfusionRift> Not much, just burning a bit of time.
13:09 <Jahnesta> Same here lol
13:13 <ConfusionRift> And now, to dissect from the thousands of videos with nothing but people yelling in frustration because of a game.
13:14 <Jahnesta> x3
13:14 <Jahnesta> Ikr
13:22 <ConfusionRift> Now, some frustrations... yeah. Hilarious. :P
13:23 <Jahnesta> o3o
13:30 <ConfusionRift> It's those moments of realization that the problem they had was a lot easier to deal with.
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13:53 <ConfusionRift> Aaaaand sleep. Laters.
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14:35 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
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15:38 <ADragonHoarding> ONE! Nothing wrong with me
15:39 <Thelema5> ?
15:41 <Thelema5> I however feel sick. I have two job interviews today, one for a digital marketing gig at a place I don't really have a good feeling about 40 minutes away, another at a warehouse job that seems promising.
15:41 <ADragonHoarding> what kind of sick?
15:42 <Thelema5> Sick to my stomach with stress
15:42 <Thelema5> Anxiety
15:42 <ADragonHoarding> Ah.
15:43 <ADragonHoarding> I can only recommend deep controlled breathing and not dwelling on the source of the anxiety.
15:44 <Thelema5> :)
15:56 <Lumin> so Schism
15:56 <Lumin> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/277667983357378560/388451875948724234/8w4fib9ane201.jpg
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16:02 <Jahnesta> Hello
16:03 <Thelema5> Hiya!
16:03 <Jahnesta> BBR sorry, dinertje :3
16:04 <Jahnesta> Brb
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16:21 <DashedRainbows> Good morning horses
16:24 <DashedRainbows> I think I may be recovering
16:24 <DashedRainbows> Gonna eat something
16:28 <Tempest-Shadow> Woo! ^^
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16:39 <Librarian> wut wut
16:40 * Jahnesta Sits on DashedRainbows
16:40 <Librarian> i missed the game awards yesterday nuuu
16:40 <Jahnesta> D:
16:40 <Cepheid> Morning.
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16:41 * DashedRainbows licks Jahnesta
16:41 <Jahnesta> Hee
16:42 * Jahnesta Giggles and moves, making DashedRainbows fall off
16:42 <Jahnesta> Btw, autocorrect knows your name o3o
16:43 * DashedRainbows cries
16:43 * Jahnesta Snugs hou
16:43 <Jahnesta> Youu
16:43 <Jahnesta> You
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16:43 <Jahnesta> :
16:43 <Jahnesta> :3
16:43 <Jahnesta> I so can't type anymore
16:45 * Jahnesta Randomly mews ^3^
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16:47 <Librarian> stop!
16:47 * Librarian time
16:47 <Cepheid> It is windy today. Making the cold worse than it actually is.
16:48 <Cepheid> -1, -9 with the wind.
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16:48 * Jahnesta Baps a Librarian
16:48 <Librarian> cant touch this
16:48 * Librarian dances away
16:49 <Jahnesta> x3
16:49 <Jahnesta> Such sillyness
16:51 <Librarian> i can top it
16:51 <Librarian> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUgwNPtTAIY
16:51 <Librarian> substitute sergeant with librarian
16:54 * DashedRainbows dances
17:00 * DashedRainbows dances with Jahnesta
17:00 * Jahnesta Likes to move it move it
17:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: Filly In The Box - Whispers [Melodic Dubstep] [ http://tinyurl.com/y957qlhz ]
17:01 <DashedRainbows> Shake that flank
17:03 <Cepheid> I'm cold.
17:03 <DashedRainbows> It's winter...
17:03 <DashedRainbows> Almost
17:05 <Sleeping_Nightmares> !plot
17:05 <DerpyBot> *wigglewiggle*
17:05 <Sleeping_Nightmares> *wigglewiggle *
17:05 <Jahnesta> It's kinds snowing here :D
17:05 <Jahnesta> What a meaningful conversation
17:05 <Cepheid> It hasn't snowed here much yet. Got a bit of snow two weeks ago but it all melted.
17:06 <Cepheid> But now it is freezing and there is no snow.
17:09 <DashedRainbows> What's snow lol
17:11 <Cepheid> Droplets of water frozen in midair that fall down and pile up on the ground to create mounds of fluffy, white garbage that people hate.
17:11 <Jahnesta> That white cold stuff
17:11 <Jahnesta> Yeah ^
17:11 * Jahnesta Trows a snowball at the 2 of you
17:11 <DashedRainbows> Sounds horrible
17:11 <Jahnesta> I <3 snow
17:12 <DashedRainbows> You don't drive do you
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17:12 * Filly_Nightmares noms snow
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17:13 <DashedRainbows> But it is cold here
17:13 <Jahnesta> Here to
17:13 <DashedRainbows> Like 1C
17:13 <Jahnesta> To
17:13 <Jahnesta> Too
17:14 <DashedRainbows> Ooh
17:15 <DashedRainbows> Today is Friday! Time for a trip through hell again
17:16 <Jahnesta> Why is that?
17:17 <DashedRainbows> Dialysis + sick
17:18 <Jahnesta> :(
17:18 <DashedRainbows> Last time I was freezing my *yay* off and the machine kept complaining about a fluid imbalance
17:19 <Jahnesta> That's not good
17:20 <DashedRainbows> I was also horribly sick
17:20 <DashedRainbows> Hopefully now that'll be better
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17:22 <MichaelDeSanta> hello
17:22 <MichaelDeSanta> hello everypony
17:22 <Jahnesta> Het
17:22 <Jahnesta> Hey
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17:22 <DashedRainbows> Hi MichaelDeSanta
17:22 <MichaelDeSanta> anyone want to rp?
17:23 <DashedRainbows> Only in pm
17:23 <MichaelDeSanta> ok
17:24 <MichaelDeSanta> *smashes the door open*
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17:24 <Jahnesta> No, click on someones name
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17:24 <Jahnesta> Then on "Message" :P
17:26 <DashedRainbows> I sometimes wish IRC had anonymous channels or group pm
17:32 <ADragonHoarding> you can just create a channel at any time, you realize.
17:32 <ADragonHoarding> It's as easy as joining it: /join #pickaname
17:34 <ADragonHoarding> Here come old flat-op, he come grooving up slowly
17:34 <DashedRainbows> But anyone can join unless you go through the game of settinga key
17:35 <ADragonHoarding> provided they know the channel name
17:35 <Jahnesta> Brb
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17:37 <MichaelDeSanta> hello
17:39 * Cepheid sits atop ADragonDreaming. "VROOM VROOM!"
17:41 * Golden is at the final Chapter of Apollo Justice.
17:48 <Schism> Golden: Ah, the MASON system. :3
17:49 <Golden> I am with apollo on given up trying to understand phoenix and trucy.
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17:54 <Cepheid> I am hungry.
17:55 * Schism throws a bag of Snackoos at Cepheid.
17:55 <Jahnesta> Nice meeting you hungry, i'm Jahnesta
17:55 <Jahnesta> >:3
17:55 * Cepheid noms. Then goes into appointment.
17:55 <roflin> the dadest of jokes
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17:58 <DashedRainbows> That pone...
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17:59 <DashedRainbows> Hey
18:00 <Jahnesta> The tablet couldn't handle such an awful joke
18:00 <DashedRainbows> Yeah
18:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Wat: Lyra Fatali [ http://tinyurl.com/y6wambg6 ]
18:02 <Jahnesta> x3
18:05 <Starlight_Glimmer> !link https://derpibooru.org/1602225
18:06 <Schism> The finest bromance. https://twitter.com/sebpatrick/status/938404457129398273
18:07 <Jahnesta> So cool
18:07 <Starlight_Glimmer> Derp is broken.
18:07 <DashedRainbows> She flew North again
18:07 <Jahnesta> I never saw the movie, so i have no idea why they started fighting in the first place
18:10 * DashedRainbows does the pony pokey
18:12 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this picture is about magic safe giant pony costume alicorn (and 29 more)
18:13 <Jahnesta> Bit late there DerpyBot xD
18:21 <DashedRainbows> Much bot such Derpy
18:22 <Jahnesta> More Derpy as Bot it seems
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18:28 *** ChanServ sets mode: +qo Ali Ali
18:28 * DashedRainbows pokes Ali
18:28 * Ali noses for a cat pony, she has a question for her kittens
18:28 * Ali squeaks and falls over.
18:30 <Jahnesta> Cat ponies?
18:31 <Ali> ponies that take care of cats
18:31 <Starlight_Glimmer> And I thought you meant ponies behaving like cats
18:31 <Starlight_Glimmer> :3
18:32 <DashedRainbows> So most ponies here
18:32 <Ali> I do that!
18:32 * Ali purrs
18:33 <Jahnesta> I tought like bat ponies, but cats
18:33 <Jahnesta> :3
18:34 * DashedRainbows pets Ali
18:35 * Ali leans into DashedRainbows pets, purrs moar
18:35 * DashedRainbows growls at all the cat pones
18:37 <Starlight_Glimmer> Don't socialize with bat ponies. They're the worst.
18:37 * Ali runs away and hides under a couch!
18:37 <Jahnesta> Even Flutterbat?
18:37 <Starlight_Glimmer> All bats
18:38 <Starlight_Glimmer> No exceptions.
18:38 <Ali> The only batponys we know are two random Luna Guards and Flutterbat
18:38 <Ali> Unless you read the comic where all the mane 6 became batponies.
18:38 <Jahnesta> Is that cannon? I don't think so
18:39 <Ali> Hard to tell now, the comics are now leaning harder onto being side running up next to the show
18:39 * DashedRainbows barks at Ali
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18:39 * Ali cowers under the couch
18:40 * Jahnesta Tries petting Ali
18:40 * Ali is hiding under a couch, have to get there first :P
18:41 <Schism> Gladiolus is best mangopone.
18:41 * Jahnesta 's arms just arent long enough :(
18:42 <Ali> ARMS
18:42 * DashedRainbows nuzzles Ali she is sorry
18:42 <Jahnesta> :0
18:42 <Ali> What is this? Equestria Girls!!!
18:42 <Jahnesta> My bas
18:42 <Jahnesta> Bad
18:42 <Ali> :P
18:42 <Jahnesta> o_o
18:43 * Jahnesta Hugs Ali while she's distracted
18:44 <Starlight_Glimmer> Schism: Best worst bat :D
18:44 * Ali squeaks and flails
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18:44 * Schism flings water balloons around for those south of (or near) the Equator, and fireballs around for those who need warmth.
18:45 <DashedRainbows> You still need wings though
18:46 * ADragonHoarding flexes arms.
18:46 <DashedRainbows> What are arms :3
18:46 <Schism> Man. Everybody's cancelling all their pledges on Patreon now.
18:47 <DashedRainbows> For?
18:48 <Schism> Previously, the pledges would be collected as a lump sum, so if you pledged one person $25, or twenty-five people $1, it'd work out in your bank statement as a single $25 monthly payment to Patreon, which they'd then route back around into the creators' wallets.
18:49 <Ali> Getting taxed now?
18:49 <Schism> I'm not sure if that bit has changed. But either way, there'd be a limited amount lost in transit. NOW, however, for every pledge, Patreon is taking something like $.35, rendering $1 pledges much less beneficial.
18:50 <Schism> Ah, it's a 2.9% rate on the pledge, plus $.35 base.
18:52 <Schism> The phrase 'naked cash grab' has been thrown around, and I can't say it's wrong.
18:52 <DashedRainbows> Patreon was meh anyway
18:53 <Schism> Meh or not, it was an easy way for content creators to earn a few dollars - or even, in some cases, enough to live on.
18:55 <ADragonHoarding> Patreon's statement on that was that the change was made to ensure that the content creators always get a full 95% of the pledge
18:56 <ADragonHoarding> prior to the change those fees were still charged. They're processing fees on the transaction.
18:56 <ADragonHoarding> If you believe the statement, what's changed is who bears the burden - instead of the burden of the processing fee being with the recipient, the burden now lies with the patron
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18:59 <Schism> Yes... but I'm given to understand that the fees are now much more common in regards to patrons. That is to say, it's literally per-transaction instead of applied to a lump sum.
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18:59 <Schism> And creators were less concerned there, on the grounds that they signed up for the service and knew what was going on and how much they could expect to be skimmed off.
19:00 <Schism> At least, that's what I'm getting.
19:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: After the Fact: Crusaders of the Lost Mark [ http://tinyurl.com/ycnzxelf ]
19:01 <DashedRainbows> I just don't like the idea
19:04 <ADragonHoarding> I'm ambivalent about it
19:05 <Schism> One person notes that they lost a good 2.2% of their subscribers from this. Not a representative sample, perhaps, but it shows that the whole 'hey, we're going to let creators earn more!' is counterbalanced.
19:05 <ADragonHoarding> I don't believe it's a cash grab from the Patreon
19:05 <ADragonHoarding> you don't go on record stating you only take 5% and then get more from it. Maybe they save on processing fees, but I'm not sure how that would work necessarily.
19:06 <ADragonHoarding> I do believe they may not have considered the patron reaction.
19:06 <ADragonHoarding> or at least fully considered it.
19:06 <Schism> Ah. There is that point where people were terribly, terribly upset about signing up for a monthly service, and then despite the fact being printed in BIG BOLD LETTERS, getting charged once on the 28th of the month and once on the 1st.
19:07 <ADragonHoarding> People are dumb, yes.
19:07 <Schism> For the strangest point, though, this feels like a poor excuse.
19:07 <Schism> reason*
19:08 <ADragonHoarding> Cancelling because you aren't willing to pay an additional .35 on top of the $1 you were willing to give towards something is entirely fair.
19:10 <Cepheid> It is.
19:13 * Ali pounces Cepheid
19:13 <Cepheid> Ow.
19:14 <Cepheid> Just doin' last minute stuff to submit assignments, whee.
19:15 <Schism> "It's a conspiracy!" "You're riding a literal black helicopter." "It's a slightly different conspiracy than I thought!"
19:15 <Ali> Cepheid, I haz question about ze kittens
19:15 <Cepheid> https://globalnews.ca/news/3905052/fire-crews-rescue-youtuber-who-cemented-head-into-microwave-as-part-of-stunt/ ...
19:15 <Cepheid> What's up, Ali?
19:17 <Schism> Cepheid: There's a quote we have when things like this happened. "The total mass of humans on the planet wouldn't make a dent in how much biomass spiders eat. ...C'mon, spiders."
19:17 <Schism> happen.* Gah, I need more tea.
19:17 <DashedRainbows> YouTube Is Smart
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19:19 * DashedRainbows paints on Jahnesta
19:19 <Jahnesta> Hey there
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19:20 <Thelema5> Hi everypony.
19:20 <DashedRainbows> Oh hi Thelema5
19:20 <Jahnesta> *Sigh..* You can never have too much colourful ponies i guess
19:20 <Jahnesta> Yo
19:20 <Thelema5> I just got back from a job interview. Nailed it. They offered me a job on the spot.
19:21 <ADragonHoarding> Awesome.
19:21 <ADragonHoarding> See, nothing to worry about.
19:21 <DashedRainbows> Told ya
19:21 <Cepheid> Congratulations.
19:21 <Thelema5> It's less than I was hoping to earn, though, but there's a lot of room for growth. I'd be managing their ecommerce floor to ceiling
19:21 <Jahnesta> Nice
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19:22 <Thelema5> Thanks! I haven't accepted it yet, but the owner is very nice and considerate, said to let him know any time. I've another interview later today, so we'll see.
19:22 * Ali hugs the Thelema5 so much
19:22 <Thelema5> Best part is that I'd be able to work remotely 50%, so awesomesauce
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19:24 <DashedRainbows> I'm doing better now, Thelema5
19:24 <Thelema5> Oh, I'm so glad DashedRainbows!
19:24 <DashedRainbows> Even kept down breakfast
19:25 <Thelema5> Yay
19:27 <DashedRainbows> I'm not sure it's good but I'm glad the pain is over
19:28 * Thelema5 hugs DashedRainbows (gently)
19:29 * DashedRainbows squees
19:31 <Librarian> owo
19:31 <Librarian> i just saw the trailer for a movie about abandoned doggies in mexico
19:31 <Librarian> it was just the trailer and it made me cry like a baby
19:32 <DashedRainbows> I saw that back in October
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19:32 <Librarian> was it the cometa movie?
19:33 * DashedRainbows noms Jahnesta2's 2
19:33 *** Jahnesta2 is now known as Jahnesta
19:33 <DashedRainbows> I forget Librarian
19:33 <Jahnesta> Hey
19:33 <Jahnesta> I is not to be nommed
19:33 <Jahnesta> I is not a changeling
19:34 <Librarian> its an interesting way i channel my anger and hatred, i just dont like others suffering
19:34 <Librarian> more so doggies
19:35 * DashedRainbows uses Jahnesta as a chew toy
19:35 <Jahnesta> Nuu
19:35 <Jahnesta> Not again
19:36 * Jahnesta Squeakysqueaks
19:36 * Cepheid completes the last of his assignments for the semester.
19:36 * DashedRainbows licks Jahnesta and pants
19:37 <Librarian> are any of the artistic guys around?
19:37 <Starlight_Glimmer> Hearing main stream media talk about Bitcoin is like hearing grandma talk about computers
19:37 <Starlight_Glimmer> Wow
19:37 <Librarian> mdp could give me all the tips
19:37 <Starlight_Glimmer> "90% undervalued" ... uh sure
19:37 * Jahnesta Doodles a stick figure with Librarian written above it
19:38 <Librarian> i wanna know how to color my drawings so they look of the cool
19:38 <Cepheid> In any case, I am going to wander off home now. See you all when I get home.
19:38 <Jahnesta> Coloured pencils?
19:38 <Jahnesta> Laterss
19:39 <Jahnesta> That's how i do it
19:39 * DashedRainbows doodles a vague pony shaped thing on the ground in chalk
19:39 <ADragonHoarding> I have no faith in Bitcoin.
19:39 <Cepheid> Same.
19:39 <Cepheid> Anyways, back soon.
19:44 <Filly_Nightmares> Bitcoin is fun
19:45 * DashedRainbows gives Jahnesta a stick
19:46 * Jahnesta Trows it away
19:46 <DashedRainbows> Aww
19:47 <Schism> The Trow are evil. But also hilarious.
19:48 * Jahnesta Is more into chewtoys
19:48 * Jahnesta Chews on DashedRainbows tail
19:48 <ADragonHoarding> Who?
19:49 * DashedRainbows tastes of decay anyway
19:51 <Jahnesta> You taste of colours :3
19:51 <DashedRainbows> I think you prefer dead rodents, Jahnesta, :)
19:51 <Cepheid> I forgot I have my phone for IRC as well.
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19:53 * Schism offers the Cepheid some cubes of old cheddar cheese with sweet and spicy pickles.
19:53 * Cepheid noms.
19:55 <ADragonHoarding> hah
19:56 <DashedRainbows> !link DashedRainbows
19:56 <DerpyBot> https://derpibooru.org/1357866
19:57 <ADragonHoarding> ...does windows 10 default the print screen key to actually physically printing things on paper or something?
19:57 <DashedRainbows> The name is a lie
19:57 <DashedRainbows> I hope not
19:59 <Cepheid> I have no idea.
20:00 <Schism> It shouldn't. Should just throw that onto the clipboard.
20:00 <Schism> Or Win-PrintScreen to save to file.
20:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Equestria Girls Short "Pinkie Sitting" Uploaded to Hasbro's Youtube [ http://tinyurl.com/y9hltd4a ]
20:01 <ADragonHoarding> There's a recent trend of people sending, in place of screenshots, the printed web-page which has then been scanned in
20:02 <DashedRainbows> Lmfo
20:02 <Cepheid> Adra. People take pictures of their monitors and submit them to imgur as screenshots
20:03 <Cepheid> I want some booze.
20:03 <ADragonHoarding> Yes, I know about that
20:04 <ADragonHoarding> we get those too
20:04 <DashedRainbows> They must be running an early build of Wayland
20:04 <ADragonHoarding> we're just getting a bunch of the printed pages versions lately. Seemed to start November...
20:08 * Schism takes a document which was faxed to him, scans it onto his computer, takes a picture of it with a camera, then sends the camera picture to Cepheid.
20:09 * Cepheid invents a way to punch people through the Internet. He then strangles Schism:-)
20:09 <Saerydoth> are people really that dumb or are they trolling?
20:09 <Cepheid> ... why did my phone...
20:09 <DashedRainbows> Both
20:09 * Cepheid throws the phone out the moving bus.
20:09 <Schism> Thaaaat is a good question.
20:09 * Schism shrugs. "Anyway." He chokes!
20:09 <ADragonHoarding> because emojis on by default?
20:10 <Schism> Cepheid: Oh, and I sent the picture in .TIF.
20:11 <Schism> (While still useful today, that's less so in these respects.)
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20:19 * DashedRainbows noms on all the pony's tails
20:20 * Schism is making dinner. Pork chops, spaghetti and green beans.
20:21 <Schism> Or, well, I will be making it. It's only 3:20.
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20:28 * Filly_Nightmares noms Schism's food
20:29 <Thelema5> I wonder if I should bother with this second interview today. The offer I have on the table is a much better opportunity.
20:29 * Schism boops the Filly_Nightmares! Also hmms. "Doesn't hurt to keep multiples in mind."
20:29 * Thelema5 nods
20:31 <Schism> Think I'll wait a half hour before I do the food.
20:31 <Thelema5> I'm just not sure which is more important to me- opportunity or stability. The first job is doing what I've been doing, but on a larger scale for less pay- but the job scales with how successful I am in building sales. If I can't get results I'll probably be looking for work again in a couple of months. If I can, I could wind up making a great income.
20:31 <Thelema5> The second job is just a basic, hands-on hourly gig, much more stable.
20:32 <Golden> I am hating Brushel
20:32 <Schism> Everybody hates Brushel.
20:33 * DashedRainbows sits on Thelema5
20:33 * Filly_Nightmares buzzes at Schism
20:34 <ADragonHoarding> ...what is Brushel?
20:34 <Golden> An annoying witness in Apollo Justice
20:34 <ADragonHoarding> Thelema5: go to the second interview
20:35 <ADragonHoarding> it will help you decide
20:35 <Schism> Golden: https://i.imgur.com/nB1JsQr.png
20:35 <ADragonHoarding> hm... I vaguely remember this guy.
20:36 <Schism> But Brushel is... well, the guy with the toothbrush. https://i.imgur.com/40QlPMi.jpg
20:37 <Thelema5> ADragonHoarding, right. Thanks!
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20:37 * Filly_Nightmares skrees happily
20:37 * Schism tosses Filly_Nightmares some mango iced tea!
20:38 <ADragonHoarding> I do not enjoy the taste of quinoa.
20:38 * Filly_Nightmares stuffs her head into the cup!
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20:39 <Schism> Sometime I should make some couscous. Of course, just what type is a fine question.
20:39 <Thelema5> Israeli
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20:40 <Thelema5> Regular couscous is too sandy
20:42 * Schism also sips some masala chai with cream and honey. Because nom.
20:42 * ADragonHoarding head-tilts at "sandy"
20:43 <DashedRainbows> I'm starting to consume food again
20:43 <DashedRainbows> But not that kind
20:45 * Schism offers DashedRainbows a bowl of sweet potato porridge.
20:45 <Tempest-Shadow> You should aim to at least try to get into more foods over time
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20:46 <DashedRainbows> I keep saying I don't deserve to live because I'm a horrible eater and I should die of malnutrition
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20:47 <Thelema5> Schism, funny story. My partner makes a soymilk chai with honey every morning before work. Without fail. For years. For christmas this year I bought her a very nice selection of chai imported from india and a french-press travel mug so she can make her fancy chai tea on the go. This gift is in hiding until the holiday. YESTERDAY she causally mentions "I don't think I'm going to drink Chai anymore, the honey just adds extra calories I don't
20:47 * Thelema5 offers DashedRainbows some bacon. Becase, bacon.
20:47 <DashedRainbows> Heh
20:48 * Schism facepalms. "You don't need honey in chai. It's good, but... well. Maybe get her a bottle of stevia extract too?"
20:48 <DashedRainbows> My dad actually made candied bacon
20:48 * Thelema5 Shrugs. "Maybe?"
20:48 <ADragonHoarding> Yeah, she can just have Chai without honey.
20:48 <ADragonHoarding> That's what I do!
20:48 <Thelema5> That sounds like a lovely idea, DashedRainbows
20:48 <ADragonHoarding> (I put in a slight touch of sugar)
20:48 <DashedRainbows> Oof a health person
20:48 <Schism> Adra: Stash chai masala is my favourite.
20:49 <Schism> It has a lot of clove in it, but that's a good thing in my book.
20:49 <DashedRainbows> Ofc I'm biased
20:49 <Ali> Kittens, this is not your food!
20:50 <Schism> Heee. What are you eating?
20:50 <Ali> Human food :P
20:50 <Ali> They don't need that.
20:50 <Schism> Well, yes...
20:51 <DashedRainbows> There's little point in taking care of what you eat because if you do that then you're already paying despite being well
20:52 * ADragonHoarding head tilts
20:52 <ADragonHoarding> what?
20:52 <DashedRainbows> These days have taken a toll on my mind
20:56 <CocoPommel> Um actually no eating healthy Is pretty important
20:57 <DashedRainbows> Yeah, you can live to suffer longer
20:57 <DashedRainbows> Sigh
20:58 <ADragonHoarding> I believe that proponents of healthier eating would say that by eating healthier you suffer less.
20:58 <Golden> Woo made it to the trial.
20:59 <DashedRainbows> Well obviously the proponents would say that
20:59 <DashedRainbows> But it's true sometimes
21:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: Damien Nagy & Tina Prod - Tourments [Acoustic Pop] [ http://tinyurl.com/y7b26r4e ]
21:01 <Schism> Golden: Huzzah! *Air Guitar*
21:01 <DashedRainbows> The twist is that my sister is studying nutrition
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21:02 <DashedRainbows> Sometimes it's best to just enjoy what you have left
21:04 <DashedRainbows> But I'm saying stupid things so I'll shut up now
21:04 <Golden> Those base sketches that were found are creepy
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21:10 <Ali> Tia thinks she can take on an eagle
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21:11 * Ali flops over Schism
21:11 * Schism acks, and offers Ali a choklit chip cookie or three.
21:12 * Ali yays and noms cookies while Tia thinks she can beat an eagle
21:13 <Schism> Perhaps the cat could take out an eaglet? o3o;
21:13 <Ali> No
21:14 <Ali> eaglets are too cute
21:14 * Cepheid returns.
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21:17 * Cepheid flops about.
21:19 <mniip> I need a list of ponies sorted by body color saturation
21:19 <mniip> I noticed how all ponies are of pastel colors except for luna and big mac,
21:20 <mniip> and now me and my friend are arguing about whether big mac and luna are pastel or not :v
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21:22 <Thelema5> I think the list of ponies over at the wiki is sortable
21:23 <Thelema5> Ah, sadly it is not http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_ponies/full
21:23 <mniip> I could probably scrap it
21:23 <mniip> and script around a bit
21:23 <mniip> but that's like... effort
21:24 <Thelema5> Wait, it is sortable... just not like that
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21:39 <Thelema5> This phone interview was supposed to begin 9 minutes ago, just got an email saying that they're running late
21:39 <Thelema5> Doesn't bode well
21:39 <Ali> Doh
21:42 <DashedRainbows> Gl man
21:46 <DashedRainbows> Every single time this happens and I hate it
21:48 <Thelema5> Huh. Two job offers in one day. Turns out the second one was only temp holiday work. I politely declined the two weekends but le them know I'd be interested hearing bac from them when something more substantial comes up.
21:49 <DashedRainbows> I also got good news
21:50 <DashedRainbows> I have an appointment tomorrow morning
21:50 <Thelema5> For what?
21:50 <DashedRainbows> And am likely to last another night
21:50 <Thelema5> Well that's always good.
21:50 <DashedRainbows> This intestinal turmoil
21:50 <mniip> "last"
21:50 <mniip> Is everythink okay?
21:51 <DashedRainbows> Just slightly dehydrated and weak from the diarrhea
21:52 <mniip> I... see
21:52 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/videocats/status/939228352782700545 *NOM NOM NOM*
21:52 <Ali> Should that also be under if I fits I sits?
21:53 <mniip> Ali, that's usually only relevant if the "fits" part is questioned
21:53 <DashedRainbows> So you're employed now, Thelema5?
21:54 <Thelema5> Meh, I haven't accepted the job yet but I have an offer.
21:54 <Thelema5> It's less money and less stable than I would have liked at first, but it seems like a good opportunity.
21:54 <DashedRainbows> Don't want to show your true desperation
21:55 <Thelema5> I'm not really desperate, though, that's the thing. I have 5 more months of unemployment I could claim- that's a long time to find a better fit.
21:55 <DashedRainbows> True
21:56 <Thelema5> But I think I'll take this job and see how it works out. The owner seems sincere and he seems to take care of his people. Also the thought of working from home half the time sounds awesome.
21:57 <mniip> heh
21:57 <Thelema5> That's the part that is selling me on the job- not just because I love working from home, but because the owner is the one who suggested it after learning that I live 35 minutes away.
21:57 <mniip> recently a guy from a company I would only dream to work in, told me that next year they might consider hiring remotely and that I'm invited to get interviewed
21:57 <DashedRainbows> You'll end up having cats as coworkers
21:58 <Thelema5> That's awesome, mniip
21:58 <mniip> feel like I'm underqualified tbh
21:58 <mniip> (usually I feel the opposite)
21:58 <Thelema5> That's how I feel about this job I'm thinking of taking, honestly.
21:58 <Thelema5> I guess all we can do is try our best!
21:59 <mniip> getting fired sucks tho!
21:59 <mniip> so is denial of getting the job in first place
21:59 <Cepheid> The reason is because of the change in how employment works.
21:59 * Ali has been out of work for almost a year now.
21:59 <Thelema5> :(
21:59 <mniip> Cepheid, ?
21:59 <Cepheid> Employers know that the people they are hiring to replace their highly skilled retirees aren't going to be as good, because they lack training and skill.
21:59 * Thelema5 hires Ali to play with kittens
22:00 <Cepheid> Yeah, you're underqualified, but at the same time while you're working, you're going to be expected to learn as you go along.
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22:00 <mniip> I like to learn
22:00 <mniip> but like
22:00 <mniip> they employ a bunch of phds
22:00 <mniip> and I'm an undergrad
22:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #2467 [ http://tinyurl.com/y7sggprg ]
22:01 <Cepheid> https://orig00.deviantart.net/8642/f/2017/335/c/4/mlpfim__bug_bug__collab__by_dsp2003-dbvek0a.png
22:01 <Cepheid> And? Degree level is not an indicator of level of skill or knowledge.
22:01 <Cepheid> I had a college diploma, and Microsoft considered hiring me at one point. I panicked and screwed up, but still.
22:02 <mniip> in this case this is a legit concern however
22:02 * Cepheid shakes mniip. "CUT IT OUT!"
22:02 <mniip> the company applies advanced mathematics to IT
22:02 <mniip> my mathematics are fairly advanced for an undergrad but
22:02 * Cepheid shakes harder. "CUT IT OOOOUUUT!"
22:03 <mniip> I'll cut YOU out
22:03 <mniip> :p
22:04 <Cepheid> Way I see it, if they want to hire you, they think you're qualified enough. And if it turns out to be wrong, they just fire you. It's more of a problem if you had multiple offers and chose the difficult offer and lost the job later.
22:06 <mniip> well "they" is a bit of an exaggeration
22:06 <mniip> one guy who I can only assume is in some way related to HR asked me if I'd be open for an interview
22:08 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/bartwerf/status/939252227985887233
22:08 <Cepheid> I hate testers.
22:08 <Lumindia_> I have spaghetti
22:08 <Lumindia_> Spaghetti makes everything better
22:11 <roflin> hehe how confused would that game be. sending commands to the gpu, when suddenly the gpu dissapears.
22:11 <roflin> *poef*
22:12 <Cepheid> The game would suddenly start getting errors from the various commands being passed to the driver.
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22:13 <mniip> Cepheid, idk,
22:13 <mniip> I wouldn't aim to fix that bug either,
22:13 <Cepheid> Neither would I.
22:13 <mniip> but I would be proud if my game didn't crash
22:13 <mniip> in such a situation
22:14 <mniip> I mean, does your game support running on n monitors?
22:14 <roflin> but you would have to recognize the situation and then build up the whole graphics context... again...
22:14 <mniip> why not also make it work for n=0
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22:14 <Cepheid> roflin: There are usually ways to do that.
22:14 <mniip> I suppose,
22:14 <mniip> I do hate opengl for its statefulness
22:14 <Cepheid> But most games are not designed to handle it because of the general recommendations of the API designers.
22:15 <Cepheid> API designers actually recommend that, once you've finished the code and confirmed everything is working, to remove any error checking to improve performance.
22:15 <mniip> err
22:15 <mniip> actually remove?
22:15 <mniip> why not just use compile-time code erasure
22:16 <Cepheid> That's what I mean.
22:16 <mniip> like #define or whatever your language's equivalent
22:16 <mniip> ok
22:16 <roflin> yeah waiting for the driver to report back "yeah tis owk" takes a while
22:16 <Cepheid> Especially since it might induce a command stream flush.
22:16 <roflin> and mostly you can't do anything when it says "nope not owk" so if that happens... meh see what happens, it might crash, it might look weird.
22:18 <Cepheid> It would be more idea if you could register a callback for when a context is lost.
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22:18 <mniip> yeah
22:18 <mniip> actually I do wonder what kind of output you get when the driver decides to disappear
22:19 <roflin> in the case of opengl you would probably call a pointer to a function that might, or might not be there.
22:19 <mniip> the only "gamedev" I've done was via X11 and that would probably just suddenly report an invalid X11 request, and iirc opengl aborts when it sees that
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22:23 <Schism> Cepheid: That bug is... well.
22:24 * Schism also has spaghetti. Boops Lumindia with a spare pork chop for to have wif spaghetti.
22:24 <Cepheid> roflin: In the case of OpenGL, it'd be akin to what happens with D3D. The DLL code is still loaded in memory, it's just that by uninstalling and having the device disappear would result in the device being in an uninitialized state, and would not respond to commands correctly.
22:25 <Cepheid> The code would recognize that the device is in an uninitialized state and respond with error commands.
22:25 <mniip> shrug
22:25 <Cepheid> ER, error results*
22:25 <mniip> no idea how opengl works on windows
22:25 <mniip> probably more complicated than it needs to be, as always
22:25 <Cepheid> The issue is that the application is expecting all the commands to succeed, and when it goes to do stuff like accessing device memory, it'll fail.
22:25 <roflin> WGL *wiggle*
22:25 <mniip> ANYWAY this discussion is getting too technical
22:26 <Cepheid> And?
22:26 <mniip> other ponies here might feel uncomfortable :s
22:26 <mniip> or outed
22:26 <DashedRainbows> Nah
22:26 * DashedRainbows is a geek
22:27 * Cepheid shrugs.
22:27 <mniip> okay
22:27 * Schism finishes a plate of spaghetti code, with meatnulls.
22:27 <Cepheid> They're all inferior people. Who cares about *THEM*?
22:27 <mniip> Cepheid, where is opengl located wrt the syscall boundary
22:27 <mniip> are we talking dma device memory mapped in userspace?
22:28 <Cepheid> No.
22:28 <mniip> right
22:29 <mniip> there's multiple bits at play here,
22:29 <Cepheid> While it's possible to map memory from device to host, device to device, and host to device, it usually involves a transfer in the driver code.
22:29 <mniip> opengl binding "extension" functions to kernel driver functions at runtime
22:29 <Cepheid> It's more along the lines of "The OpenGL API code is in a DLL file that references other files that do the communication between OpenGL and the device." I believe.
22:29 <mniip> if said kernel driver disappears, what happens?
22:30 <Cepheid> The extensions would be pointing to garbage data in the worst case. In best case, they'd be pointing to the same code, just that communication would fail.
22:30 <mniip> do you follow invalid function pointers and, well, I guess you violated the syscall conventions and the kernel kills your process
22:31 <mniip> worst case the kernel doesn't realize and you jump into garbage *in the kernel*
22:31 <Cepheid> As a lost device can happen for reasons other than a disappearing device.
22:31 <mniip> but I hope that's not the case
22:31 <mniip> no like there's a fine difference between a certain hardware device disappearing and its driver being unloaded
22:31 <DashedRainbows> I don’t think you can remove a gpu kernel driver and not crash
22:31 <Cepheid> Of course, I don't know what happens on a process-by-process basis.
22:32 <mniip> yeah right me neither
22:32 <DashedRainbows> I think
22:32 <Cepheid> The process has a copy of the DLL files loaded in memory, but is that copy removed for all applications when a driver is uninstalled?
22:32 <mniip> I don't even know what such an extensible syscall interface looks like on windows
22:32 <mniip> uhh no
22:32 <mniip> you're missing something here
22:33 <Cepheid> Mmm, I think I get what you're referring to now.
22:33 <mniip> it might seem like there's not, but actually there is, a fine line between kernel and userland code, even on windows
22:34 <mniip> there's the opengl dll,
22:34 <mniip> it usually looks at the graphics configuration and loads another dll specific to the driver
22:34 <mniip> and binds the function pointers to that dll's pointers
22:34 <Cepheid> Yeah.
22:34 <mniip> all this in userland
22:34 <mniip> what that driver-specific dll does - mystery
22:35 <Cepheid> And that separate DLL is likely what handles all the context creation, configuration, etc.
22:35 <mniip> sure
22:35 <mniip> but how
22:35 <mniip> some ioctl-like generic syscall on a handle you obtain somehow?
22:35 <Cepheid> Most likely.
22:36 <Cepheid> I think it depends on the device, and the commands being used.
22:36 <mniip> yeah, then the question is how exactly is this syscall implemented
22:36 <mniip> on linux opening a handle with vfs_ops being specific to a certain driver increments that driver's refcount and you can't unload it until all processes close the handle
22:37 <Cepheid> https://msdn.microsoft.com/library/windows/hardware/ff568606
22:38 <Cepheid> All sorts of information on the MSDN. Just requires some rooting through.
22:39 <mniip> wonder what KMT means
22:39 <Cepheid> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/display/index There's also this.
22:40 <mniip> ugh sorry don't feel like *actually* reading MSDN :p
22:40 <Cepheid> Driver development is not my area of expertise.
22:40 <Cepheid> I am interested in it though, but uh..
22:41 <mniip> I'd be interested in linux driver development but windows no thanks
22:41 * Cepheid looks at all his hardware. It has drivers for it, and on top of that, all of the hardware is needlessly complex.
22:41 <mniip> hehe
22:41 <Cepheid> There's no simple hardware or stuff to practice with.
22:41 <mniip> make your own?
22:42 <Cepheid> I've considered it.
22:42 <mniip> also, and old ethernet card is probably not too bad, assuming you can find hardware specs
22:42 <mniip> by old I mean before hardware packet parsers
22:43 <Cepheid> Heh.
22:45 <Cepheid> Last day of class is over, officially.
22:46 <Cepheid> Schism: Factorio is adding an TRAIN-MOUNTED ARTILLERY CANNON.
22:47 <Schism> :3!
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22:47 <Schism> Them alien train-robbers ain't gonna be stealin' our ores anytime soon.
22:47 <Cepheid> Also, 0.16 experimental should be out next week.
22:48 <Cepheid> But yeah, the artillery cannon apparently has a range of 7 to 17.5 chunks, and the projectiles explore the chunks along the way so you can see the impact.
22:50 <mniip> Cepheid, regarding our earlier topic, I suppose the company might need some fresh "meat" for less advanced tasks
22:50 <Cepheid> There is that, yes. They usually start you off on things that are more your level, but are too easy for the higher ups. Prove yourself, do a good job, and you move onto the more interesting and difficult stuff.
22:50 <mniip> oh no you don't understand
22:51 <mniip> it's not just difficult,
22:52 <mniip> it's "functor adjunctions in the category of a topology wrt homomorphism enriched over an abelian bicategory", where you don't know what's a functor, adjunction, category, topology, homomorphism, enriched, abelian, or bicategory
22:52 <mniip> oops, s/homomorphism/homotopy/g
22:53 <Cepheid> Okay, I get it.
22:53 <Cepheid> Even I didn't understand a word of any of that.
22:54 <mniip> I know each of these terms separately,
22:54 <mniip> but
22:54 <mniip> yeah this is the kind of a field where a PhD really means what it means
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22:59 <mniip> fluency in category theory and algebraic topology isn't something you can just "move onto"
22:59 * The_Nostalgia_Mare flops on Cepheid, Dressed as Link.
22:59 <Cepheid> Hoi thar.
22:59 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> The first mission in the new DLC is so hard..
22:59 <Schism> Well, those chocolate chip cookies from last night didn't last long.
23:00 <Cepheid> So I probably won't see it anytime soon unless I do normal difficulty.
23:00 <Cepheid> As Master Mode, I can't even do the first few trials.
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23:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Starlight Glimmer's Had Negligent Parents - She was a "Latch-Key-Kid" [ http://tinyurl.com/yc2z5ck2 ]
23:01 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Cepheid, I'd hate to do to Champions' Ballad on Master Difficulty..
23:01 <ADragonDreaming> hickabickaboo
23:02 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> You get a Weapon that allows you to one hit enemies.
23:02 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> But!
23:02 <ADragonDreaming> Champion's ballad...?
23:02 <ADragonDreaming> I don't remember this...
23:02 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> You get hit, you ded.
23:02 <ADragonDreaming> where was this in the game?
23:02 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Its the new DLC.
23:02 <ADragonDreaming> oh
23:02 <ADragonDreaming> isn't that released on 12/31?
23:04 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Nope!
23:04 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> It released yesterday.
23:04 <Cepheid> Yeah, it was released last night.
23:04 <Cepheid> It includes a motorcycle.
23:05 <Schism> Still think the motorcycle should have an EPONA license tag.
23:05 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> The shrines are challenging.
23:05 <mniip> just read up on what's called a latchkey kid and it made me sad :(
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23:05 <ADragonDreaming> Schism: but Epona can be got in game
23:05 <ADragonDreaming> you just need the Amiibo
23:05 <Cherry_Bomb> Hello
23:06 <ADragonDreaming> ...which is why I will never have Epona, so
23:06 <Cepheid> ADragonDreaming: Got an amiibo at all?
23:06 <ADragonDreaming> I refuse.
23:06 <Cepheid> It's possible to re-write the data on one.
23:06 <ADragonDreaming> I have too much clutter.
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23:07 <Cepheid> Fair enough.
23:07 <Cepheid> I only have two, and it's all I need.
23:07 <Cepheid> I'll just rewrite the data.
23:08 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Plus, My favorite game of all time is coming to switch and is getting a Sequel.
23:08 <Cherry_Bomb> which game?
23:08 <Cepheid> Bayonetta.
23:09 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> You know me so well, Cepheid.
23:09 <Cherry_Bomb> I never got to play the 2nd one
23:11 <Golden> Gonna try to beat AJ:AA tonight
23:12 <Cepheid> The_Nostalgia_Mare: Nah, I just put 2 and 2 together.
23:12 <Cepheid> I was aware of the announcement for the Bayonetta 1+2 combo, and Bayonetta 3.
23:13 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Oh ok.
23:13 <Cepheid> A lot of people are spazzing more about Bayonetta 1+2 on the Switch though, because "more than a few hundred people will get to enjoy Bayonetta 2."
23:14 <ADragonDreaming> ...?
23:14 <ADragonDreaming> Was it some platform exclusive nonsense?
23:14 <Tempest-Shadow> the other platforms had their chance
23:14 <Tempest-Shadow> and failed
23:14 <Cepheid> Oh for cri- Six "Big Brothers Big Sisters" donation bins were stolen.
23:15 <Cepheid> People know no limits to their selfishness and evil.
23:15 <Cherry_Bomb> number 2 was originally for WiiU i think
23:15 <ADragonDreaming> oooh, Wii U
23:15 <Cepheid> ADragonDreaming: At the time, it was originally Wii U.
23:15 <Tempest-Shadow> It was, yes
23:15 <Cepheid> And Bayonetta 1 also suffered from a poor port on the PS3.
23:16 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Tempest-Shadow, I like A Way Out's Director's Rant.
23:16 <Cepheid> So the series as a whole has had a bit of a rocky deployment.
23:17 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> Cepheid, At least, it has a big break now that Switch is going big.
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23:21 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> And I'm excited and scared on what people will think of Bayonetta.
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23:24 <PinkieShy> Having to cook my pizza on oven rack directly :/
23:24 <PinkieShy> I don't trust this at all but last time on the pan the crust got all burnt and the cheese wasn't even melting xD
23:24 <PinkieShy> This time it looks like the Crust is perfect and the cheese is now melting.
23:24 <PinkieShy> Brick oven style pizza :D
23:29 <Cepheid> ...
23:29 <Cepheid> The news is somewhat slow tonight, despite the pedestrian getting hit downtown and a stabbing on Montreal Road.
23:29 <Cepheid> They're covering an artist who uses pencils and air sickness bags to create mediocre drawings.
23:30 <Cherry_Bomb> i think the only interesting thing on the news anymore is weather
23:31 <Cherry_Bomb> at most the only interesting thing than that today was a 80 year old woman being attacked by a pitbull
23:33 <Cepheid> Yeah, the stabbing is only of note because of of how it was odd.
23:33 <Cepheid> Husband walked into a hair stylist place, stabbed wife, then ran out and attacked someone before being subdued.
23:35 <Cherry_Bomb> thats very random...
23:36 <Cepheid> Yup.
23:37 <Cepheid> As for the pedestrian getting hit this morning, it's not unexpected.
23:37 <Cepheid> Downtown Ottawa, a lot of jaywalkers, even among the business elite. People rushing to get across intersections in time. Drivers not paying attention or not using their signals.
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23:41 <Cherry_Bomb> I remember almost getting hit by a car once in elementry school on my way to the bus stop
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23:42 <Cherry_Bomb> my sister pulled me out of the way and the car crashed into a sign at the corner of the streets
23:44 <mniip> the only time I was in something resembling a car accident was when I was biking on the pavement and a car was turning into the driveway and I was going to pass after the car's rear and it stopped suddenly and I slammed my left side into its rear
23:44 <Cepheid> Hey ADragonDreaming. Factorio 0.16 is gonna be out in the next week or two. And, while it's not gonna be in 0.16, as far as I know, they unveiled the artillery cannon.
23:44 <mniip> bike speeds though so nothing more than a bruise...
23:48 <Cepheid> Closest I've been to an accident was crossing the street.
23:48 <Cepheid> Nearly got hit by a car that was insistent he get around the corner before me.
23:48 <mniip> tbh at the time I was more concerned about not having scratched the car
23:49 <Cepheid> If I got hit by a car, there'd be damage on the car. From my fists.
23:50 <Cherry_Bomb> rlly?
23:51 <Cepheid> Well, the alternati is that I leave a dent in the car because they hit me quite hard.
23:51 <Cepheid> If I didn't leave a dent, I likely didn't get hit hard, but I'd give it a small one for hitting me anyways.
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