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00:23 <Schism> Sure, Fallout 3. Crash right there. See what I care.
00:24 <Ali> Fallout, IT JUST WORKS
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00:31 <Schism> My, what a lot of drugs there are in this elementary school.
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00:48 <PinkieShy> got a starburst blueberry candle lit :)
00:49 <Tempest-Shadow> I love starbursts. o3o
01:05 <Schism> ... this is a joke, right?
01:06 <Schism> I enter a grocer's. There are a lot of arrows painted in here! They're all pointed towards one thing.
01:06 <Schism> Giant pressure plate in the middle of the floor.
01:06 <Schism> I mean... I have to press it, right?
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01:14 <Cepheid> Schism, it's Fallout. It's not exactly a sane series.
01:18 <Schism> Amusingly, pressing it is exactly the right thing to do.
01:19 <Cepheid> Of course.
01:20 <Schism> It dropped two skill books, three missiles and a mini nuke.
01:23 <Cepheid> After running an elaborate rube goldberg machine?
01:24 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/cZHOwg7.mp4
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01:31 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/TKOb4uS Hehehe.
01:33 <Cepheid> I think I have an inner ear infection again.
01:38 <Cepheid> Oh, Schism. I got my mark back for my final project.
01:39 <Schism> How'd it go?
01:40 * Schism also blinks. Finds a random bobblehead. "Okay, I'll take it."
01:41 <Cepheid> 47.5 out of 50. 95%
01:41 <Cepheid> And this was an assignment worth 50% of my final mark.
01:42 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/3IQawLw.jpg This strikes me as very Schism-like.
01:43 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/mG3bN1N.jpg Or this one.
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01:47 <Schism> Bahahaha.
01:49 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/AYbAgoV.jpg Oh my gods.
01:56 <ADragonDreaming> ah, that one
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02:06 <Cepheid> Any interesting stories from your Pathfinder games, ADragonDreaming?
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02:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1417 [ http://tinyurl.com/y8f8pxqh ]
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02:26 * PinkieShy screams
02:26 <PinkieShy> I just got a like on twitter!!
02:26 <PinkieShy> Tara Strong liked one of my tweets :D
02:26 <PinkieShy> Best night EVER :D
02:27 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/l4NJBfi.mp4 ... What is this mouse even doing?
02:27 <Cepheid> Well, rat. Mice are smaller.
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02:29 * DashedRainbows giggles
02:29 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/QUalMjq Cats and bees are hilarious a lot of times.
02:31 <ADragonDreaming> Hmmmm... interesting stories.
02:32 <ADragonDreaming> The big first campaign that actually finished, we had a rogue, a cavalier, a wizard, and a druid.
02:33 <ADragonDreaming> also a cleric but that player left about 1/3 into the campaign.
02:33 <ADragonDreaming> this was also ponyfinder, so the cavalier was her own mount.
02:34 <ADragonDreaming> It was some years ago as well, so that type of verbatim details are a bit foggy.
02:35 <ADragonDreaming> however, there was a point at which the party wound up in a larger scale battle, up in the clouds, against a pegasus army with pegasus backup and a friendly unicorn necromancer.
02:37 <Cepheid> ... Friendly unicorn necromancer.
02:37 <ADragonDreaming> We directed our NPC allies to block the skirmisher flank, my druid turned into a wind elemental and whirlwinded her way into the front line, drawing a bunch of the pegasai into a cluster, into which the wizard threw a fireball.
02:37 <ADragonDreaming> Yes. He was betrothed to the party wizard.
02:37 <ADragonDreaming> Who was the court mage of Sir Blueblood.
02:41 <Cepheid> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dYcHPHtzcE Hobgoblin!
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02:47 <RazorSharpFang> I hear some of the new episodes have ponies in them.
02:47 * Ali whaps RazorSharpFang
02:47 <ADragonDreaming> Is there a plot
02:48 <Ali> On every pony!
02:48 * Ali slapped
02:49 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/CAsz5kw
02:50 <Ali> So Cepheid is our world a firey mess yet?
02:50 <Cepheid> No.
02:50 <Cepheid> Actually, pollution has gone down considerably.
02:51 <Ali> Cause of the effecient modules
02:51 <Cepheid> I automated efficiency modules. Had thousands produced, and slapped them into everything.
02:51 <Cepheid> Then when we ran out of iron, I finished up Iron Forge, hooked it up, and now we're minus 60 or so steel furnaces that were polluting.
02:51 <Ali> My last personal game is needing them bad, In the middle of the desert
02:52 <Ali> So I have no pollution control nearby
02:52 <Ali> And the one oil field of any use
02:52 <Cepheid> Next step is solar, which I only just started automating a lot of stuff for. Accumulators are building. Got about 10 stacks worth.
02:52 <Ali> Is about 35 bug bases around it.
02:52 <Ali> So I don't know what I'm gonna do Cepheid. It was a good map area but its just...hard for me to stop them from coming at me.
02:53 <RazorSharpFang> I'm only just migrating from stone furnaces to electric ones. Moving quite slowly...
02:57 <RazorSharpFang> I finally found some cliffs.
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02:59 <RazorSharpFang> My bus is still built out of regular belts, so it's quite slow.
03:00 <Cepheid> Ali: Pick up a gun, or grab a car, and go murderin'. The best way to take out a base with a car is to circle around the base, targeting the buildings(or worms) closest to you, and then moving in closer and closer. Try to avoid running over enemies, or into them.
03:01 <RazorSharpFang> For bonus points use a tank.
03:01 <RazorSharpFang> But... killing the base will grant the enemy evolution points. Which they'll get anyway over time, but still.
03:02 <Schism> hmm. Talon Company camp. I kinda want to knock on the door and see why they're attacking me.
03:03 <RazorSharpFang> "Yes hello please stop the muder"
03:06 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang: Sitting around doing nothing, or polluting also grants evo.
03:06 <RazorSharpFang> Yes, through time.
03:06 <RazorSharpFang> But base destroying grants them it now.
03:06 <RazorSharpFang> wwwwwddddwa
03:06 <RazorSharpFang> Wrong window
03:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Spice Up Your Life - Firemane Review [ http://tinyurl.com/y99qmo36 ]
03:08 <Cepheid> Yeah, I know. I was commenting that simply sitting around and doing nothing, or even being the greenest idiot on the planet doesn't change that they will evolve and try to kill you.
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03:08 <RazorSharpFang> 'Course, polluting a lot isn't going to do you many favours.
03:10 <RazorSharpFang> Sometimes the forests are so thick trying to walk through them is hard.
03:12 <Ali> or you're in a wide open stinking desert
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03:17 <Cepheid> To be honest, our server almost became an endless desert.
03:17 <Cepheid> I had been toying around with worldgen to create desert worlds, where there was only one pool of water.
03:17 <Cepheid> Or, at the very least, really small puddles.
03:19 <Ali> The water isn't the issue in a way, its just that there's no trees to stop pollution
03:20 <Cepheid> I know.
03:20 <Ali> And as fast as the bugs expand, it only takes them a few hours before they're nesting everywhere near you.
03:20 <Cepheid> I was also gonna reduce trees to the bare minimum in such a world.
03:20 <Ali> God could you imagine
03:20 <Cepheid> It's not possible to play a world with absolutely no trees, though.
03:20 <Ali> No power poles till steel?
03:20 <Cepheid> It's not possible, actually.
03:21 <Ali> Right you need just one
03:21 <Ali> which has to connect to the engine
03:21 <Cepheid> No. It's literally outright impossible.
03:21 <Cepheid> Yeah.
03:21 <Ali> So you can use a lab
03:21 <Cepheid> You need a single pole for connecting to a lab to do research.
03:21 <Cepheid> Problem is, without that bit of wood, no luck.
03:21 <Ali> Eeyup
03:22 <Ali> Would be an interesting thing
03:22 <Ali> To only be allowed to use 2 power poles till steel
03:22 <Cepheid> The game's "free play" script would have to be modified to give the player a single electrical pole to start.
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03:24 <Cepheid> Yeah, the freeplay scenario script doesn't account for treeless worlds. Nor does the silo script it executes.
03:25 <Cepheid> Bleh. I don't want to take a shower as it's the middle-of-the-night, but I need to study and my eyes feel all itchy and grimy. Hmm. *Goes to apply water to face.*
03:30 <Cepheid> Hum, that helped a bit.
03:31 <Schism> And now... to face fire ants in close quarters. *grabs sawed-off shotgun*
03:33 <Cepheid> Really should retry my attempts at Skyrim with just hand-to-hand combat everywhere.
03:33 <Cepheid> Though I am also inclined to play Morrowind again, what with the recent re-release of it on the X-Box One and all the talk of it.
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03:36 <Cepheid> I wonder if my PC could handle it at 4k. :P
03:43 <Schism> Aww! A group of Talon mercs decided to come by with a present for me. A combat shotgun!
03:45 <Cepheid> (+ (* (+ 1 2) (+ (* 2 4) (+ 3 5))) (+ ( - 10 7) 6)) I hate Polish notation.
03:55 <Cepheid> So what is everyone up to this evening?
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04:09 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang, you ever have that issue where you're studying a programming language for something important(An exam, for example), and you find yourself wandering off to check wikipedia or other websites to see if a language you like to use frequently has acquired support for a specific feature in some recent revision?
04:09 <Cepheid> I just caught myself looking up whether or not closures existed in recent versions of C. They don't, but compilers for the language(GCC, clang, in particular) do.
04:10 <RazorSharpFang> Well, sometimes something similar.
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04:10 <RazorSharpFang> Like, Java has Throwable, and Exception and Error extend off that. C# has no Throwable class, you can't catch errors. (Like StackOverFlow)
04:11 <RazorSharpFang> So in Java, you can catch a StackOverFlow error if you so desired.
04:12 <RazorSharpFang> Mind you, a stack over-flow is usually an indicator that you're doing something wrong.
04:12 <Cepheid> Arguably, catching exceptions shouldn't be possible. If a program throws an exception, it's because the problem is an exceptional case: It shouldn't happen.
04:12 <Cepheid> Therefore, the program should by all rights terminate right there.
04:12 <RazorSharpFang> Well, that depends on what you consider exceptional.
04:12 <RazorSharpFang> For instance, I consider myself exceptional. :P
04:12 <Cepheid> I was just about to say.
04:13 <Cepheid> I say that this is how exceptions should be treated, but I use exceptions to handle cleanup in certain situations.
04:13 <Cepheid> Say, a constructor for a class that opens a file, but then throws an exception.
04:13 <RazorSharpFang> I see exceptions used to handle situations where constructors fail.
04:13 <Cepheid> Yeah, so we're alike in that regard.
04:14 <Cepheid> I also like to use exceptions as a way to avoid a growing if-then-else tree.
04:14 <RazorSharpFang> GOTOs are great for that too. :P
04:15 <Cepheid> Nothing like seeing if (...) { if (...) { if (...) { if (...) { } else { } } else { } } else { } } else { } }
04:15 <Cepheid> It's a true pain when you got people who complain about long lines(Longer than 80 characters, 'cause terminals.)
04:15 <Cepheid> Because by the time you hit the top of the if statement pile, you've got maybe 10-15 characters left.
04:18 <Cepheid> Funny thing is, if you look at documentation around the net, there are arguments for and against this kind of programming. I personally think it's better than just letting the constructor throw exceptions, never calling the destructor, and having leaked memory everywhere.
04:20 <RazorSharpFang> Well, for managed languages you'd hope that the classes would fully encapsulate all the messy low-level unmanaged stuff.
04:21 <Cepheid> Right.
04:26 <RazorSharpFang> 'Course, you gotta comment the stuff well for the next poor guy who has to maintain your stuff.
04:26 <RazorSharpFang> Write "Sorry about this code" in the comments.
04:26 <Cepheid> "I don't know what the hell I was thinking."
04:27 <RazorSharpFang> "I was drunk when I wrote this... but it works. I'm not going to touch it, I recommend you do the same"
04:28 <Cepheid> "If you do decide to touch it, drink heavily first."
04:28 <RazorSharpFang> "Also back it up"
04:29 <Cepheid> We're not good programmers, are we? :P
04:29 <RazorSharpFang> We're learning.
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04:30 <Cepheid> Arguably, given what I've seen come out of Valve and Epic, I'd say we're fine as programmers.
04:33 <RazorSharpFang> My problems sometimes come from when the language doesn't have features I like to use a lot. Like working in non-OO languages, or languages without namespaces, etc.
04:34 <Cepheid> Usually those issues can be resolved, sort of.
04:35 <RazorSharpFang> Mock-classes made out of a Dictionary.
04:35 <Cepheid> A common method to the namespace approach is to prefix all functions or procedures with the namespace name, so for example, I have a PNG library written in C. "PNG_Open" or "png_open" or "pngOpen", "PNG_Close" or "png_close" or "pngClose" and so on.
04:35 <RazorSharpFang> Gotta document everything
04:36 <Cepheid> For object-oriented style coding with polymorphism, you can create functions that return data structures with pointers to functions that accept said data structure, plus any arguments necessary. For polymorphism, just change the pointers to functions around.
04:37 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, just return a handle to a Dictionary.
04:37 <RazorSharpFang> (Key--Value pair)
04:38 <RazorSharpFang> Ah, I usually call them Maps anyway
04:39 <Cepheid> Heh.
04:40 <Cepheid> And it's not a bad idea, either. Those of us old enough here(Last oh, 20-25 years), are guaranteed to have played at least one game that used the concept.
04:40 <Cepheid> DOOM made extensive use of it for handling AI and other fun stuff.
04:41 * Ali flops over Cepheid
04:43 <Cepheid> Yeees?
04:46 <Ali> Just...bored and upset
04:47 * Schism punches an ant queen to death.
04:48 <Cepheid> Why upset?
04:48 * Schism also hugs the Ali. Provides some tea?
04:48 <Ali> Cause of Slay the Spire. I can do decent in it, then like tonight look worse than a nub
04:49 <Cepheid> If I understand the game based on what I've heard, it's RNG heavy.
04:50 <Cepheid> Which means it's on par with games like Angband, Nethack and the like, where some days, you get turned to stone by a hissing basilisk when you start up the game. Or other days where you run into a lurker above and get eaten.
04:50 <Cepheid> Or in Nethack's case, you fall into a poisonous spiked pit.
04:50 <Cepheid> Just as you start the game.
04:50 <Cepheid> Basically: The game doesn't care about your skill. If it's feeling up to it, it'll just ruin your day.
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04:52 <Cepheid> Such games are, erroneously declared as "roguelikes" or "rogue-lites".
04:52 <Cepheid> I say it's an error to call them that, since "roguelike" implies the game is similar to the game Rogue, which many of these games have absolutely no similarity to.
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04:56 <Cepheid> And to think people play games where permadeath is a thing.
04:57 <Cepheid> I think the closest I've ever come to "winning" a permadeath game was a permadeath run of Torchlight 2. I made it all the way to the end of the second chapter. Then I got one-shot by a poison attack.
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05:04 <Filly_Nightmares> o5o
05:04 <Filly_Nightmares> FTL!
05:04 <Cepheid> Indeed.
05:04 <Cepheid> Make it all the way to the end only to be ripped to shreds.
05:05 <Filly_Nightmares> o6o
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05:15 <Cepheid> Why does thou do this!?
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05:27 <Finwe> o3o
05:27 <Finwe> Morning, my small perissodactyls.
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05:41 <Cepheid> Hum, question for you guys. First-person dungeon crawler, which approach is best for the "town" of the game? Menu-based town(Ala Etrian Odyssey, Wizardry Series, Class of Heroes series), or town that you have to travel around?(Lots of games I can't recall off the top of my head.)
05:42 <Cepheid> The pros and cons of each approach are pretty obvious. Menu-based approach is faster to navigate, and get to the action with. Exploration-based approach is slower, but supposedly more immersive.
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05:45 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
05:47 <Cepheid> Hello!
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06:06 <Ali> Cepheid, if something isn't running in factorio, is it still putting off the marked pollution?
06:07 <Cepheid> There are two answers to that question. Though, the answer you are looking for is "No, it does not."
06:07 <Cepheid> I say there's two answers because some structures have a "Drain" associated with them.
06:07 <Ali> Thats for power though not pollution?
06:07 <Cepheid> True. But for basic electricity, what do you need to generate it? Boilers, steam engines. Boilers pollute.
06:08 <Cepheid> If there is a constant drain, then even when the buildings are inactive, they are causing steam engines to run. Therefore, boilers are running and polluting as they generate steam for the engines.
06:08 <Cepheid> The only way around it is solar or nuclear energy.
06:09 <Ali> Yeah I know X.x
06:09 <Cepheid> And yes, you can in fact have so many buildings that the drain combines to draw a lot of power.
06:09 * Cepheid once built over 1,200 laser turrets. They have a miniscule drain, but it adds up.
06:10 <Cepheid> As do inserters.
06:16 <Cepheid> Hum. If one wanted to visually represent "something that a mortal mind cannot comprehend or grasp" what would be the best way to implement it? I was thinking something like a censorship filter(Those large, blocky ones. Like the ones used in the Sims series), but I dunno, that might give the wrong connotation.
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06:17 <Cepheid> The alternatives I can think of would be "black hole fisheye effect" in that the entity in question appears as a black hole, and light appears to refract around it, when it's in view. Alternatively, blind the player(Change the view to all black), since it isn't critical that they need to *SEE* it, just acknowledge that it's there.
06:18 <Thelema5> How about a shoggoth?
06:20 <Schism> Gah... freakin' locks!
06:20 <Schism> Next level I'm getting Lockpick to 75. ._.
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06:22 <Cepheid> The initial form of the entity I am creating is supposed to be shoggoth-like, in a sense. Tentacles, psueodopods, blobbiness, etc. What I'm looking for is a way to depict that the "true appearance" of the entity cannot be comprehended in any way visually. Honestly I like the black hole-like effect, when I envison it, it seems to give the impression I desire.
06:23 <Cepheid> And yes, Schism, I will make a reference to Earthbound with such a creature. :P
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06:28 <Thelema5> I went to my first trader joes store today, it was fun and I came home with a lot of unusual stuff
06:28 * Schism hands Cepheid 1,007 individual purples.
06:29 <Schism> Thelema5: Ooh. Nice. o3o
06:29 * Cepheid holds the purples.
06:29 <Cepheid> Huh.
06:29 <Schism> https://tabletitans.com/tales/post/you-can-taste-the-way-it-dances
06:29 <Thelema5> Their "unexpected cheddar" is freaking great
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06:33 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
06:35 <Thelema5> Hihi
06:35 <Cepheid> Morning.
06:36 * ConfusionRift waves.
06:38 <Cepheid> Schism: The only reason I'm bringing this up is because of a redesign of my dungeon crawler story. I wanted an eldritch abomination for the true final boss. But such entities are often described as being beyond comprehension by a mortal mind, among other things. Such as driving people insane.
06:38 <Cepheid> So it's not enough to give it a definite appearance, because that in itself implies that it has a form that a mortal mind can comprehend.
06:39 <Schism> Hmmm.
06:40 <Schism> One common example is photorealism in an otherwise non-photorealistic game.
06:42 <Schism> Or a definite change in art style.
06:42 <Cepheid> The other reason why I think a sort of "black hole" type approach works is because in fractals like the mandelbrot series, there are black spaces and such. As much as I understand, these regions represent colours or numbers that exist outside the visible spectrum or the real number set.
06:44 <Schism> True. (There is no such thing as magenta.)
06:53 <ConfusionRift> "A representation of the protagonists' greatest fears"?
06:55 <ConfusionRift> Bah, that can be a million things.
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06:59 <Cepheid> That's part of the problem. It's unknowable in appearance. It cannot be comprised or amalgamated from anything that we, as human beings, know. The best approach is to show nothing. However, if it has a physical appearance, it isn't invisible. Light does not pass through it. Also take into consideration the psychology of seeing shapes.
07:00 <Cepheid> In the visual part of our brain, there are neurons that are designed specifically to react to certain shapes.
07:00 <Cepheid> A straight vertical line. A line at 23.44444 degrees that has a length of 1.22 nanometers.
07:01 <Cepheid> If the thing in question has an unknowable form, it's because the brain simply doesn't have the structure to interpret what it is seeing. It'd just appear as nothing.
07:02 <Cepheid> At best, the brain would attempt to fill in that empty space with an approximation of what it thinks should be there based on surrounding information.
07:03 <Cepheid> Which seems likely, as our brain does something like that to begin with. We have a blind spit in both of our eyes.
07:03 <Cepheid> You just don't see it because the brain reconstructs the missing information using surrounding information, and information from the other eye.
07:04 <Cepheid> So, a being that mortal minds cannot visually comprehend? It'd likely appear either as blackness with a defined exterior shape, or as a jumble of colour that warps and twists as it, or your eyes, move around.
07:04 <ConfusionRift> The thing is that an unknowable form can also mean a form that has no identifiable shape. The brain may just fill the gaps with recognizable shapes, but can also go wild and make a unique form either from current info or amalgamations of what the brain considers a shape.
07:05 <Cepheid> Yes, but the likelyhood that the human mind would fill it in with shapes from creatures is pretty low.
07:07 <Cepheid> With no way to see what's behind it, it seems reasonable that at the worst, it'd appear as a bunch of differently-coloured triangular shapes converging towards the center of the object. The colours of each triangle being defined by whatever colour is most prominent at the edge of the object that meets the base of the triangle.
07:07 <ConfusionRift> Fear can make one's mind go wild and start merging things together. Might be something as pure as a butterfly, but can also just be a form out of nowhere, even a creature of sorts. The brain can also bring previous traumas into effect, increasing that chance.
07:07 <Cepheid> Aye. The issue here is that from my perspective as the developer, what does the player consider it's greatest fear?
07:08 <Cepheid> Since that is, by default, different for every person, I can't use "greatest fear" as a form.
07:09 <Cepheid> Plus, some people react to phobias differently. Arachnophobes seem to have an extreme aversion to the sight of spiders, not just their presence, for example.
07:09 <Cepheid> So I can't like, go create a list of possible things to be afraid of and let the player choose from that list at the start of the game.
07:09 <ConfusionRift> Remember that the player is a controller. This fear can be something that story-wise affects the protagonist. Then again, if you want to go that way, yes. That would be difficult.
07:10 <Cepheid> Because it's entirely possible that whatever they choose, may invoke a visual reaction that prevents them from playing.
07:10 <Cepheid> The other issue is that there is no single protaganist.
07:10 <ConfusionRift> There's that too.
07:10 <Cepheid> It's a dungeon crawler. Teams of five.
07:10 <Cepheid> With the player being a sixth that leads the team.
07:10 <Cepheid> But doesn't directly interact in the battle.
07:11 <ConfusionRift> It could be a trial of a sort.
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07:12 <Cepheid> In any case, I don't want to use defined features, for fear of terrorizing players who want to finish the game. I don't know why arachnophobia is such a big one for players, but it's troublesome enough that players can't even play games like Skyrim because of it.
07:12 <Cepheid> And yet, a person next to them who has a phobia of bears can easily wander about and kill the bears no problem.
07:12 <Cepheid> Fear is a wonky thing
07:12 <ConfusionRift> I hate heights.
07:12 <Cepheid> Same, and yet I can put up with them.
07:12 <ConfusionRift> Truth be told, it also affects me in gaming.
07:13 <Cepheid> I'm also claustrophobic.
07:13 <Cepheid> For the longest time, I hated getting in elevators.
07:13 <ConfusionRift> It gives me a sense of vertigo. And don't get me started with the mess that was the sky temple in Twilight Princess.
07:13 <Cepheid> Still do, to a degree. The tech building at school has an elevator that, when approaching the destination floor, spontaneously makes a loud, grinding noise.
07:14 <ConfusionRift> That does not help.
07:14 * The_Nostalgia_Mare walks in, brandishing a Ice Axe.
07:14 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> o3o
07:14 <ConfusionRift> Hallo, The_Nostalgia_Mare. :P
07:15 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> I've been playing lots of God Of War.
07:15 <Cepheid> In any case, I'd rather leave it up to the imagination what the thing is supposed to look like. Perhaps use a visual effect to hide it's appearance, but explicitly make references to it's appearance in wording. It's set in a futuristic world, so perhaps a piece of technology is capable of scanning, analyzing it, and describing what it is. Or may be. It isn't sure.
07:16 <ConfusionRift> Pull off a Gyigas? :P
07:16 <Cepheid> Something like that.
07:17 <ConfusionRift> Wow, that would get anyone. Hmm.
07:17 <Cepheid> It appears as a bubbling, black mass with refracting effect around the edges. The description could describe it in terms of structures, such as it being bipedal or quadrapedal, having X feature, etc.
07:17 <Cepheid> Or possibly what it thinks those features are.
07:20 <Schism> Clurporitous mass. ("That's not a word." "Good.")
07:20 <Cepheid> I don't want to treat it as some sort of embodiment of an innate feature of humanity or life in general. I'd like to treat it as if it were some sort of natural being that just happens to exist, but cannot be comprehended physically by beings in what we call the material world.
07:22 * The_Nostalgia_Mare marks her face with red lip stick to look like Kratos and puts on a false beard and a bald cap as she walks to Schism. "Boy. You know how to hunt, yes?" In a very deep voice.
07:23 * Schism sticks arrow in deer. "I do."
07:24 <The_Nostalgia_Mare> A test! I am hungry. *throws bow at Schism* Feed us.
07:26 <Cepheid> I'm gonna go with my original plan for depicting it. It works best for how I want to express it's existence.
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07:26 * ConfusionRift goes to check the factory. Sighs.
07:26 <Cepheid> What's up?
07:27 <Cepheid> Last I touched it, it was working fine, so unless someone else logged in to toy with it..
07:27 <ConfusionRift> Actually, we got a surplus of oil on that south end... I can just add a third refinery and dedicate that one to just fuel.
07:28 <Cepheid> Yeah, sorry. Sulfur production wasn't quite up to speed.
07:28 <Cepheid> That said, we can start removing steam engines and stuff slowly.
07:28 <Cepheid> At the end of the bus is a large collection of accumulators and solar panels building.
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07:31 <ConfusionRift> Plastics up north is saturated with gas. Three filled tanks.
07:32 <Cepheid> Mmm. Could probably get away with making sulfur from that instead, then.
07:35 * Starwatcher rolls
07:37 <ConfusionRift> There are three pumps up north that are doing nothing. I'm gonna separate them and use them for fuel. And maybe... flammables? :P
07:38 <Cepheid> Heh, go nuts.
07:38 <Cepheid> I'll be on in a bit. I got some studying I want to do.
07:38 <Starwatcher> lol! awesome idea
07:38 <Starwatcher> the pumps that is
07:38 <Starwatcher> lemme know what happens eh?
07:39 <ConfusionRift> Oh no worries. Everything's okay (bwep bwep!) I'll take care of that.
07:40 * Starwatcher smiles and wishes good luck
07:41 <ConfusionRift> Shouldn't we store some of those batteries for things?
07:41 <Cepheid> Yeah. I just wanted to get accumulators going.
07:42 <Cepheid> It was literally one of the last things I did before going to sleep.
07:42 <ConfusionRift> Still looking good.
07:43 * Schism mutters, "The Strength bobblehead is right there, but I don't want to get it until I hit level 30."
07:43 <Cepheid> Schism: Fun random note.
07:43 <Cepheid> I had a dream the other night.
07:43 <Schism> Aye?
07:44 <ConfusionRift> Gonna take tanks from the gas. I think they're causing issues.
07:45 <Cepheid> It was a Persona-themed dream for some reason, that, while involving Toronto, actually took place in a city directly south across the lake from Toronto.
07:45 <Cepheid> Which appears to be St. Catherines or Niagara Falls.
07:46 * Schism nods, "Was it a more, ah... affluent town?"
07:47 <Cepheid> I can't recall. Just that it had lots of highrises and office towers. I just remember that, despite the distance, I was able to see Toronto from across the lake.
07:50 <Cepheid> My dreams keep getting weirder and weirder.
07:54 <Cepheid> ConfusionRift: The biggest issue with oil is processing it such that the entire thing just doesn't grind to a halt. It requires math.
07:55 <Cepheid> For example, how many refineries do you plan to set up, and what process will they be using?
07:56 <ConfusionRift> I know I know. And I'm terrible at it.
07:56 <Cepheid> Hell, I know the pitfalls of it, and I'm terrible at it.
07:57 <Cepheid> I plan at some point to build an entire plant for processing oil, which all the oil wells we find will deliver crude to. Processing directly from pumpjack is asking for trouble down the road.
07:57 <ConfusionRift> Oh wait! We can use the northern surplus of gas for explosives!
07:57 <Starwatcher> I <3 explosives
07:58 <ConfusionRift> We got the coal and water, just need the sulfur.
07:58 <ConfusionRift> Starwatcher: Who doesn't? :P
08:10 <RazorSharpFang> It either requires math, or it requires a lot of tanks, and checking it every so often.
08:11 <Schism> What the hell is taking up all my encumbranc--oh. 25 scrap metal. Okay.
08:12 <RazorSharpFang> After migrating away from stone furnaces, turns out I really didn't have enough solar panels and accumulators. Thankfully I have 64 steam engines.
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08:25 <Schism> Hmm. How to gain experience quickly, I wonder? Oh, I know! I'll go to Minefield and--
08:25 * Schism has 25 Explosives skill. This is not enough.
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09:01 <Schism> Ahh. Without the Bloody Mess perk, could it truly be called a Fallout game?
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09:10 <ConfusionRift> :P
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09:21 * Schism also happily noms upon lockpicking experience.
09:25 * Cepheid calculates this new iron patch can handle 166 furnaces. And another 166 converting the iron into steel. *psyduck face*
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10:04 <ConfusionRift> Uh, Deathclaws.
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11:04 <Cepheid> Can my PC run Morrowind at 4k? Apparently, it can. :P
11:07 <Cepheid> I'm a kitty cat that can go pew pew with a bow and punch when I don't want to use ammo.
11:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1190 [ http://tinyurl.com/y7yg3j3z ]
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11:13 <Cepheid> Is it worth it? Not really. I can barely read text and make out the UI.
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11:24 <Cepheid> Schism, Morrowind. "You cannot rest when there are enemies nearby." I wish Saint Jiub was here now.
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11:28 <Schism> Cepheid: You cannot fast travel when there are enemies nearby, either. Furrfu.
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12:21 <Cepheid> Time to rob some people. Also, I need to pick a house.
12:22 <Cepheid> Like, house house. Not one of those factions.
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12:42 <Cepheid> Well that took 30+ tries.
12:44 <Cepheid> I picked the wrong skill. I wanted sneak over security. So now my sneak is god-awful low and pickpocketing is hard.
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12:54 <Schism> Wonder how long it takes those super mutants to arrive in Big Town.
12:54 <Cepheid> No idea.
12:54 <Cepheid> Also, I took alchemy, for maximum game breakage. I should make use of that ASAP.
12:55 <Schism> Ahh, yes. Alchemy, to buff alchemy.
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13:04 <Cepheid> Oh dang, I forgot to stop by and get those scrolls of icarian flight or whatever.
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13:08 * Schism holds up the Lucky 8-Ball, which brings his Luck from 3 to 4. "Yay, one extra skill point in everything."
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13:33 * Schism now has a Fat Man. "Pity that my Big Guns skill is at, like, 17."
13:38 <Schism> Alright, game. Bethesda Offices East? This is gonna suck. (The raiders in the Bethesda offices are high-level.)
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13:53 <Cepheid> I think I know why Morrowind seemed so much larger.
13:54 <Cepheid> It's because in such an open world, you move so bleedingling, mindbogglingly slow.
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14:40 <Coco`> Everything about the original Morrowind was incredibly tedious
14:40 <Coco`> It could take like 5 minutes just to kill a rat when you were low level
14:41 <Coco`> That was one of the biggest flaws, hits being decided by rng, rather then whether you actually hit the enemy or not.
14:41 <Coco`> *than
14:42 <Coco`> Thought you got a headshot with your now and arrow? Well to digital dice roll decided you missed. Better luck next time.
14:42 <Coco`> *bow and arrow
14:43 <Coco`> *this
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14:43 <Coco`> Gah guess I'm still waking up. Phone typing is a skill itself it seems
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15:28 <Schism> Excellent... I believe my next objective is the acquisition of the Science bobblehead.
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16:03 * Cepheid hands Schism a kitty bobblehead.
16:04 * Schism boops it. It appears to be Luck!
16:04 * Schism watches its paw shift up and down.
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16:09 <Cepheid> https://m.imgur.com/t/cats/f7NIhP7
16:09 <Schism> Indeed, what an odd cat. o.o
16:10 <Schism> Though yes, it's leashed.
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16:15 <Cepheid> I have no idea why I am infatuated with cats. I just know that at this point I can't live without one.
16:16 <Schism> The end result of a truly terrifying toxoplasmosis infection.
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16:19 <Cepheid> Of which there is no cure or treatment for.
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16:20 <ADragonDreaming> hi
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16:24 <Cepheid> Hello.
16:25 <ADragonDreaming> how goes
16:30 <Cepheid> Goes okay. Both tired and wide awake. Laying in bed waiting for sleep.
16:30 <ADragonDreaming> at noon?
16:33 <ADragonDreaming> I have a pen.
16:35 * Schism peers at the Mechanist, and the AntAgonizer. "I'm beginning to think that this is a very silly game."
16:35 <ADragonDreaming> It always has been.
16:35 <Cepheid> It is fallout. Of course it is silly.
16:36 <ADragonDreaming> I am an apple.
16:38 <Cepheid> Apparently a male calico was put up for adoption in Ohio the other day. 0.03% chance of a calico being male.
16:38 <Schism> Flying bananas don't talk.
16:38 <Schism> Cepheid: Huh. o.o
16:39 <ADragonDreaming> bananas don't fly.
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17:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Story: Second Thoughts [ http://tinyurl.com/y82ny24r ]
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17:23 <Coco`> Don't forget the flying eggplant
17:24 <Schism> And the Biting Pear of Salamanca, I know.
17:26 <Coco`> A fighting bear with salmonella? Ew. Poor bear.
17:27 <Coco`> Does salmonella come from salmon?
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18:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Surf and/or Turf - Background Music [ http://tinyurl.com/ybkbompz ]
18:17 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Animation: Princesses Don't Sleep [ http://tinyurl.com/y8vvy2z8 ]
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19:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Silver Quill: "Surf and/or Turf" – Episode Followup [ http://tinyurl.com/y6wddx2y ]
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19:57 <Tempest-Shadow> So why did the lawyer drop the case against the coffee company? ...because he didn't have the grounds for it!
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20:00 <Tempest-Shadow> :3
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21:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: Wandering Artist - Prance, Think, Prance Again [Orchestral] [ http://tinyurl.com/ybzgtdzq ]
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