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00:35 <RazorSharpFang> Goood morning
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00:57 <RazorSharpFang> Today's a slow day for me, which is fine by me.
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01:17 <Saerydoth> someone is having connection issues x_x
01:18 <Saerydoth> I once inadvertently spammed a channel for hours with gibberish. I fell asleep, and then my cat decided to sleep on my keyboard
01:18 <Ali> Snerk
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04:12 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
04:13 * Ali snugs on the Thelema5 as its quiet tonight
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04:14 * Thelema5 countersnugs!
04:15 <Thelema5> I'm about to watch the "lastest" mlp episode, I missed it yesterday
04:15 * Ali sho sho be do's to Thelema5
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04:19 <Thelema5> Ooh, a CMC adventure!
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04:28 <Thelema5> Huh. The show has hinted at eating animal products, but this hippogriff just directly referenced drinking a stein of "salmon juice"
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04:30 <Thelema5> Ooooh, it's a "dealing with divorced parents" episode
04:32 <Thelema5> Oh gosh, seapony scoots "this must me just like flying"... (._. )
04:33 <Ali> Eeeyup Thelema5
04:33 <Thelema5> "fish oil tea"...
04:35 * Ali splashes on Thelema5
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04:37 <Birthdayrazz> Hi
04:37 <Birthdayrazz> pones :3
04:38 <Thelema5> I had one of the most delicious meals of my life today, I traveled up to the state capitol to see a concert and went to a popular brewpub... the burger I got was freaking amazing, it was served with a habanero pinapple slaw, bacon, applewood smoked ham, and cherry-peppers... with a hot pepper aoli
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04:38 <Thelema5> Hello, Birthdayrazz
04:39 <Thelema5> Welcome!
04:39 <Birthdayrazz> Hi :3 hehe
04:39 <Birthdayrazz> Yay
04:39 * Cepheid awakens.
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04:41 <Thelema5> The ham was really the star of that show, though, never tasted anything like it. Amazing.
04:44 * Ali tucks Cepheid back to bed cause its almost 1am
04:46 <RazorSharpFang> Heya Cepheid
04:46 <Thelema5> Oh! A song!
04:46 <Thelema5> Yuuus
04:47 <Cepheid> Ali, I just slept 12 hours. I am not going back to sleep.
04:51 <Cepheid> My cats are spazzing out when I open these cans of peeled and diced pears. Because they think I am opening a can of tuna.
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04:56 <PinkieShy> Anybody here heard of the browser addon called Honey? If so.. is it safe?
04:56 <PinkieShy> You can get honey gold by shopping online, and if it finds a coupon code it applies it at check out for you.
04:56 <PinkieShy> I dunno if its safe or what..
04:58 <Thelema5> Never heard of it
04:58 <PinkieShy> It heard of it when a youtuber i watch advertised it on their channel..
05:00 <Thelema5> Okay, done with the new ep... hmm...
05:01 <Thelema5> It was fun, loved the song, liked the message... but not so sure why twilight had to be there
05:01 <Ali> Cause of the permission slip and 'research' Thelema5
05:02 <Cepheid> PinkieShy I would not trust such an add-on.
05:03 <Thelema5> As a person whose parents "should" have divorced but didn't, I can't personally relate to the central crisis... but my partner's parents were divorsed and i know this back-and-forth theme plays a huge roles in many young people's lives... so I appreciate it
05:03 <Thelema5> Overall I liked the ep and found it valuable
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05:22 <Cepheid> Cheerios and chicken wings for dinner. At least I am eating something substantial this time.
05:27 <Coco`> I called the ending halfway through the ep. Seemed like the logical conclusion
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05:33 <Cepheid> Hooo. That cleared my nose and sinuses. I should abuse this fact.
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05:35 <Cepheid> Blagh. That nasal spray has the taste of hair spray..
05:37 * Ali lays on Cepheid
05:43 <Cepheid> My cat just nearly killed me.
05:43 <Ali> How?
05:44 <Cepheid> I was walking down the stairs, was leaning ahead with my foot raised to take another step down, with stuff in my hands and unable to grab a railing, when my cat decided it'd be a good idea to run underneath my raised foot.
05:45 <Ali> Typical cat
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05:57 <Cepheid> So what is everyone up to tonight?
05:58 <RazorSharpFang> I'm going to be sleeping, probably
05:58 * Ali feels like she can't get Factorio right yet.
05:59 <RazorSharpFang> It takes a while. It's definitely not a simple game.
06:04 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/yTGZWID
06:04 <Cepheid> Ali, you've seen my method of construction, I still haven't "won" a game, and everything is on fire. I've been playing for a year and I still don't fully grasp the game.
06:05 <Cepheid> And yet Mr. Sharp Fang over here has maanged to launch a rocket in less than a month.
06:05 <Ali> My problem is I get cramped in or production of one or two key things gets so far behind
06:05 <Ali> Or I end up in a desert area and bugs will swarm all around me.
06:05 <Cepheid> Yep.
06:05 <Cepheid> I get cramped in is my problem.
06:06 <Cepheid> That's why I like claiming such large areas later on, because then I can expand.
06:06 <Ali> I just can't make walls fast enough in the early game
06:06 <Ali> Then you need to keep all the turrets full of ammo
06:07 <RazorSharpFang> Well, back in the day I was a REALLy avid minecraft player, and a redstone fanatic. Factorio is like redstone:thegame
06:08 <Cepheid> Right, right.
06:08 <Cepheid> Ali: The problem with making walls early on is that the stone patches usually aren't large enough to keep the assembler going at full speed.
06:09 <Ali> Yeah I know but if you don't wall up...
06:09 <Cepheid> And even if you got a stone patch for it, it requires a bit of trickiness to get it to work at full speed, since you need to supply it with so many stone bricks in a short time frame.
06:09 <Cepheid> The best way I've found to do this is to use multiple furnace lines, and not combine the output. Instead, bring the output of each line to one side of an assembler and use fast inserters.
06:09 <Ali> And a lot of the time its nowhere near the coal
06:10 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, with turrets, I'm thinking the first thing I'll code after my final exam on Tuesday will be a modular turret.
06:12 <Cepheid> But first I need to study and pass that exam.
06:12 <RazorSharpFang> A modular turret?
06:18 <Cepheid> Energy turrets that you put special modules into. The game then takes those modules(One each of say, speed, power, and type(Hitscan(Impact), Projectile, Explosive Projectil)), and spawns the appropriate projectile.
06:20 <RazorSharpFang> Are you making a Factorio mod?
06:21 <Cepheid> It's a design I have in mind, so yes.
06:21 <Cepheid> ... And knowing my luck, it'll pop up on the website because I just expressed the idea in public, as usual.
06:21 <Cepheid> Last time I did that, a few hours later a mod with the idea I had in mind appeared on the mod portal. >_>;
06:22 * Ali isn't a modder so Cepheid is safe there
06:22 <RazorSharpFang> Was that geothermal energy?
06:22 <Cepheid> Yeah.
06:22 <Cepheid> Literally a few hours after I discussed the idea, a mod popped up on the mod portal that implemented geothermal energy.
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06:24 <Ali> The power options are pretty limited
06:25 <Cepheid> Admittedly the mod didn't implement the other aspect I had in mind.
06:25 <Cepheid> Volcanos!
06:26 <Cepheid> That would erupt and spread lava.
06:26 <RazorSharpFang> You'd probably have to somehow give indications of increasing height.
06:26 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
06:26 <Cepheid> It'd probably be simpler to implement something like a "ground corruption" or "creep" from the Starcraft series.
06:27 <Cepheid> Which brings to mind an old game I used to play, which had a form of creep that was invisible.
06:28 <RazorSharpFang> Everything is coded with minions/creeps.
06:28 <Cepheid> It was a bioengineering disaster created by one of two conflicting factions of humans who escaped the destruction of Earth.
06:28 <Cepheid> They arrived at a planet, went their separate ways, and began projects to terraform the planet.
06:30 <Cepheid> One side opted for using bioengineering. One day, performing research, something went wrong and they created a virus of some sort that survived the planet's harsh environment, spread quickly, and destroyed metal structures among other things.
06:30 <Cepheid> It was invisible. You couldn't see it.
06:31 <Cepheid> And it was implemented in gameplay terms. In every map of that faction's campaign, it would start in an area far away and slowly spread. Your goal was to achieve certain research and production goals before the virus reached your base. The people would then abandon the base, watching it explode in fireballs as the virus destroyed everything.
06:31 <Cepheid> Fail to do so in time, the mission would end in failure and you watch your base get destroyed with everyone in it.
06:32 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, on the other side of the planet was the opposing faction. Things were going pretty swell for them, when suddenly, tectonic activity increased sharply. Cue volcanic eruptions everywhere. It wasn't caused by anything they did, as far as I know. In fact, there were implications that the virus from the other faction was somehow responsible.
06:33 <Cepheid> Every map in their campaign involved a nearby volcano that was about to erupt, and when it did, lava would spread slowly across the map. If it reached you, game over.
06:33 <Cepheid> Game ends with both sides attempting to build a rocket to escape the planet before the other side.
06:34 <Cepheid> In all honesty it was more distressing to play the side with the virus, because you had no way of determining how far away it was.
06:35 <Cepheid> All you could do was build multiple layers of a special wall, when you finally researched it, to slow the progression of the virus, and hope that gave you enough time to do what was needed.
06:39 <Cepheid> Only problem with such a thing in a game like Factorio would be that it would inevitably destroy everything you own.
06:40 <RazorSharpFang> Probably, but that's literally the idea isn't it? Raise the stakes.
06:40 <Cepheid> Yeah.
06:40 <Cepheid> Arguably it'd be an interesting scenario, if the bugs were removed from gameplay.
06:40 <Cepheid> It'd be a different threat altogether.
06:42 <Cepheid> Instead of defending against bugs, you need to build a rocket to get off the planet, but you have to keep moving to escape the encroaching destruction.
06:45 <RazorSharpFang> Oop, better pack up as much as you can and drive into the sunset, look for more mines.
06:47 <Cepheid> I'd have to implement either an RTS-like system(It's possible. AAI apparently does it.) for multiple transport vehicles, or give the player access to a car, tank or some other vehicle with a much larger storage capacity.
06:47 <Cepheid> But given the capacity of the Car, I'm not even sure that is necessary.
06:47 <Cepheid> Cars hold more than a freakin' steel chest.
06:48 <RazorSharpFang> You could just have a car-derivative that attempts to follow another car, and then you drive in the leader car.
06:48 <RazorSharpFang> And then it's just following.
06:48 <Cepheid> True.
06:49 <Cepheid> I wonder if the wagon-connection system of a train can be applied to a car. That'd work, too.
06:51 <RazorSharpFang> You could have a numerical value titled "Following priority" with 0 being leader.
06:51 <RazorSharpFang> The AI just follows the car with the priority that's 1 less than it, or the closest.
06:52 <Cepheid> Mmhmm. In any case, this is all for later. I should be studying right now. XD
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06:57 <RazorSharpFang> It's been too long since an attack... suspicious...
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06:58 <Cepheid> What's your evo factor up to, and what are the enemies like with how far in you are? I usually don't survive too far with Rampant.
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06:59 <Cepheid> Or I just don't use it because most of the games I play are online.
06:59 <Cepheid> And managing a mod pack is annoyin'
07:00 <RazorSharpFang> 46% so far.
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07:01 <RazorSharpFang> I need to expand more. I've got plenty of iron production, just need more space to utilise it.
07:03 <RazorSharpFang> https://i.imgur.com/E7fBDOu.png - 19.9 sulfuric acid. Needs 20.
07:04 <Cepheid> XD
07:04 <Cepheid> "Nope. Nope, I'm missing 0.0000001 litres of sulfuric acid. I won't start."
07:04 <RazorSharpFang> Yep, about right.
07:05 <Cepheid> That's really the biggest issue with using machines to do work. They have no concept of "good enough" unless you program it in, and when you do, things often go wrong.
07:06 <Cepheid> On the other hand, if you have exactly standards, they're great.
07:07 <Cepheid> Hey Ali, how're the kitties doing?
07:07 <Ali> Just fine
07:07 <RazorSharpFang> Is that Kittens game?
07:07 <Ali> Luna likes the garage though
07:07 <Cepheid> Being pain in the butts?
07:07 <Cepheid> o.o In the garage?
07:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: MONDAY Morning Motivation [ http://tinyurl.com/yb4o35nt ]
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07:10 <RazorSharpFang> I'm surprised how fast Factorio loads/works given how much memory it consumes.
07:11 <RazorSharpFang> Might load even faster if I defragment it.
07:11 <Cepheid> Looking at the mod API, I can understand why. Game uses a lot of special techniques to get as much performance out as possible, that restricts what can and can't be done by the modding API.
07:12 <Cepheid> I think much of the memory is used up by textures, rather than the game data.
07:13 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, textures would do it.
07:14 <Cepheid> The actual game data itself, the map, what items exist on the map, etc, are relatively small in comparison. Only 30 or so megabytes when compressed, and that's for a reasonably sized, explored map.
07:15 <Cepheid> The trick in keeping performance down is mostly in knowing which chunks to keep loaded for processing, and how everything else is abstracted away so every chunk isn't considered at each tick.
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07:16 <Cepheid> For example, internally, biter bases are probably treated as composite objects, with a list of buildings and units, and much of the work processing the base is probably done on the composite object itself rather than the individual components.
07:18 <Cepheid> And even then, it's probably only processed every N ticks.
07:20 <Cepheid> Common values of frequency for updates tend to be 2 seconds, 1 second, or one-half of a second. For entities that "exist" in the processable area, it tends to one of 1/60th, 1/30th, or 1/20th of a second. Minecraft uses 1/20th. Factorio uses 1/60th.
07:21 * Cepheid is murdered for knowing too much and never actually applying any of that knowledge.
07:22 <RazorSharpFang> Ideally, you'd want the ticks that occur once a second to be distributed throughout the second.
07:22 <RazorSharpFang> Rather than processing it all on a single frame.
07:23 <Cepheid> Indeed, though there are problems with that.
07:24 <Cepheid> A more common approach is to use less accuracy when doing processing. Instead of calculating multiple small steps at each "1-second update", you use guesswork, math and heuristics to determine the approximate state the object should have after one second.
07:25 <Cepheid> Since it's outside of the visible area that the player can see, the player itself will never notice that the game is "cheating" a bit.
07:26 <Cepheid> You can also do things like limiting the runtime of work at each second, and simply queueing what remains to process it at the next second. This results in some oddities, but so long as it's outside what the player can see, it is also acceptable.
07:26 <Cepheid> You can also use threading.
07:27 <Cepheid> Split work up amongst multiple threads. Of course, this creates race conditions that have to be accounted for, so ideally if it's used, you use it on geographically distinct regions. No overlap.
07:27 <Cepheid> But even then race conditions can still happen, so you have to apply some weird concepts to get it to work right.
07:29 <RazorSharpFang> I was just thinking of assigning every entity a value (0..1) chosen randomly at its instantiation. You increase that value every frame until its the time to tick.
07:29 <Cepheid> The more I talk about this stuff, the more I realize that I know a lot more than I am willing to believe or admit, it seems. Mostly because university keeps showing me that there's also a lot of stuff I don't know, which makes me question how much I really know.
07:32 <Cepheid> Anyhow, I'm feeling little groggy, and my body is saying it's time for me to go back to sleep.
07:32 <Cepheid> So I think I shal.
07:32 <Cepheid> Er, shall*
07:32 <Schism> Sleep well, Cephy. I'll most likely kill you in the morning.
07:32 * Schism ahems. Been watching a movie.
07:33 <Cepheid> Wait, what?
07:33 <Cepheid> What movie?
07:33 <Schism> Heh, The Princess Bride.
07:33 <Cepheid> I haven't seen it.
07:34 <Schism> I'm surprised! It's quite good, though.
07:35 <Cepheid> Heh.
07:35 <Cepheid> Anyways, I'm off to get some more sleep.
07:35 <Schism> G'night.
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08:11 <sarevok> Sup
08:11 <Cepheid> Curses. I started thinking and after a bit of research, I have devised a modified algorithm for generating random dungeons in a roguelike or dungeon crawler. Now my mind doesn't want to go to sleep.
08:11 <sarevok> Eh sleep is overrated lol
08:15 <sarevok> Is it based on the original Diablo level generator?
08:17 <Cepheid> Nah. Not even close.
08:18 <sarevok> Which game?
08:19 <sarevok> Or is it one your making?
08:19 <Schism> One he's making.
08:19 * Schism considers this and that.
08:19 <sarevok> Nice man I hope it does well :)
08:20 <Schism> Oh, and hiya, sarevok. You new here?
08:20 <sarevok> Yup, 3am boredom and lack of sleep lol
08:20 <sarevok> That and I finished my book >>
08:21 <Schism> There are worse places to wander to.
08:22 <sarevok> Lol...*thinks of Dungeon siege chat at 3am* yup..
08:22 <Schism> Haven't played Dungeon Siege in waaaay too long.
08:22 <Schism> So, welcome to the channel and all that jazz. Keep it to a dull roar, PG-13, yada yada, don't feed the Surreal_Nightmares no matter the big floofy eyes she gives.
08:22 <sarevok> Ikr goblin miniguns <3
08:23 <Schism> I always preferred a bit of Arcanum for the guns-inna-fantasy-setting bit.
08:23 <sarevok> Lol medieval steam powered armor indeed
08:24 <Schism> Dwarven technologists, the slow slide of the world from magic to tech...
08:24 <sarevok> Elves with shotguns did it for me
08:25 <Schism> Heh, in Shadowrun, elves make some pretty decent snipers. You want shotguns, go for an orc.
08:25 <Schism> (Well, okay, a troll. Still.)
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08:26 <sarevok> Course no amount of destructive capability comes close than my lil cuz giving me the big eyes wanting to watch map on my phone..
08:26 <sarevok> Its weapons grade...
08:26 <sarevok> Mlp*
08:26 <Schism> The most destructive tool in the CMC's arsenal, even more than tree sap.
08:27 <sarevok> Hers is worse lol
08:27 * Schism noms upon some corn dogs with honey mustard. It is perhaps not the best breakfast, but it serves its purpose. And hey, protein is good with which to start the day.
08:27 <Finwe> o3o
08:27 <sarevok> She's 7
08:27 <Finwe> Good forenoon, my little ponies.
08:27 <Finwe> Messrs sarevok and Schism.
08:27 * Finwe doffs his hat.
08:27 <Schism> rAdm. Finwe.
08:27 * Schism doffs his corn dogs.
08:28 <sarevok> Sup :3
08:29 <sarevok> But funniest thing about my lil cuz is she goes straight from mlp to my ps4 to play dying light xD
08:31 <Schism> Our hobbies are certainly diverse!
08:32 <Schism> Kinda funny, you think of a fan, you immediately think of someone who covers their life in X, Y, and Z related to the show. Nah. Despite the origins of the word, it's just that we like the show. X3
08:32 <Finwe> I just watched the whole season 7 yesterday.
08:32 <sarevok> The way I see it, bronies are just regular people. My room mate was a brony and his room had nothing but heavy metal bands
08:33 <Schism> And there you have it. You can be a fan of the Yankees or the Cubs without needing to cover your life in it.
08:33 <sarevok> His fab was fluttershy
08:33 <Schism> Oh, Fluttershy is totally metal.
08:33 <sarevok> Lol
08:34 <Finwe> As a curious detail, in episode 25 at 5:35 there is something written in elder futhark.
08:34 <Schism> Oh really? It could just be a transliteration.
08:35 <Schism> Futhark runes do transcribe to English letters on a nearly one to one level. But then, the creators of the show do like to show off how smart they are. (See also: Cutie Mark Crusaders black hole researchers.)
08:35 <Finwe> It flashed by fast enough for me to only be able to read the lower line, but after checking it out in a still image it turned out that it reads, "Poni rules."
08:35 <sarevok> Like me for example, I don't consider myself a brony but I have read a few fallout equestria books and silent ponyville books, what I know of map is watching it with my lil cuz. I don't see where the hate comes from
08:36 <Schism> sarevok, you must be new to the internet. People will hate on others just for the heck of it.
08:36 <Schism> Also, heh. Been chewing my way through Project Horizons. It's... best taken gradually, because it is so freakin' dark.
08:36 <Finwe> Even the mystical temple of Ponehenge was subject to vandalism.
08:36 <sarevok> Not just internet. It's human nature to hate anything that doesn't fall in with their line. Etc war over everything
08:37 <Schism> Yupyup, it's just a bit more severe on the internet, because you don't get that human face to put with the things.
08:37 <sarevok> I like project horizons =)
08:37 <Schism> Oh, it's really good and well-written, but I went in expecting something like a New Vegas-styled thing, and got 'Hoofington is the worst place ever'.
08:38 <sarevok> Lol no kidding
08:38 <sarevok> Although new vegas had a map full of deathclaws....
08:38 <Schism> Yeah yeah, and Fallout 3 itself had the Pitt.
08:39 <sarevok> And andale.. *shudder*
08:40 <sarevok> Course I cheAted when it came to project horizons lol. I listened to it
08:41 <Schism> Andale is a happy place. *disturbing smile*
08:41 <sarevok> *chuckled nerviously*
08:41 <Schism> Anyhoo. Hmm. I should do the Andale sidequest -- then do Little Lamplight.
08:42 <Schism> Stock up on enough Buffout that I never have to worry about it again.
08:42 <sarevok> God I played fo3 so much I literally couldn't play it anymore
08:42 * Ali feels like FO4 is empty
08:43 <Finwe> Miss Ali.
08:43 * Finwe doffs his hat.
08:43 <sarevok> It is. It's gorgeous concept but it's lacking
08:43 * Ali doffs over Finwe
08:43 <sarevok> Can't wait for fo5 to come out
08:43 <Ali> They're still milking buggy 4
08:44 <Ali> HEY GUYS VR FO4!!! WITH ALL THE SAME GAME BREAKING BUGS AS BEFORE
08:44 <Ali> That'll be $60 please
08:44 <Finwe> Ali: Hadst thou noticed the runic message in S07E25 @ 5:35?
08:44 <sarevok> Creation club broke my game...
08:44 * Ali only get free CC
08:44 * Ali headtilts at Finwe
08:45 <sarevok> I got the save glitch then it went downhill
08:45 <Schism> Nexus > CC.
08:45 <Finwe> Ali: In one of the pillars of Ponehenge, somepony has chiselled the message "Poni rules."
08:45 <sarevok> Wish I could...but alas pay for me:(
08:46 <Finwe> Written in elder futhark.
08:46 <sarevok> Lol
08:46 <Ali> Never buy Creation Club stuff
08:46 <Ali> I've never bought anything on CC and have about 20ish items
08:46 <sarevok> Only thing I got was paint skins and the hellfire armor. Either free or with 75% off
08:47 <Ali> Most of them are paint skins
08:48 <Ali> but HEY at least its free!
08:48 <sarevok> Although I feel like I got a ripoff with the desert camp armor skin. It's just yello with rust...
08:48 <Schism> I remember, oh, way back in the day, when Bethesda released the shiny horse armor for Oblivion. Only $2.50! People complained endlessly.
08:48 <sarevok> Lol I never used horses
08:49 <sarevok> Even on skyrim I run everywhere
08:49 <sarevok> Morrowind- best game
08:50 <Ali> I remember horse armor
08:50 <Ali> It does nothing for gameplay
08:50 <Ali> Its just....armor
08:50 <Ali> For a horse
08:50 <sarevok> It's for rp lol
08:50 <Ali> That most of the time you don't need due to fast travel
08:51 <Schism> Immersion!
08:51 <sarevok> That's why I loved morrowind it had no fast travel
08:51 <Schism> (There are those who play through Bethesda games without fast travel.)
08:52 <sarevok> Yea but I like not having a choice about it
08:52 <Ali> Or in survival modes where it's turned off
08:52 <Schism> While no fast travel is perfectly fine in games like, oh, Oblivion or Skyrim, or even Morrowind, where there's a lot to look at... in Fallout 3, it just highlights the fact that you're wandering through grey, brown, ugly ruins.
08:52 <Ali> And Schism FO4 makes it worse
08:52 <Ali> EVERYTHING IS BROWN
08:52 <Schism> Brown is realistic.
08:52 <sarevok> Simple green *nods*
08:53 <Ali> Cept after 200 years everything would've regrown
08:53 <sarevok> ^
08:53 <Schism> So much artistic license.
08:54 <Ali> Yes cause its easier to just make a dead tree
08:54 <Ali> And brown grass
08:54 <Ali> Cause lets forget that green is actually a color in game
08:54 <sarevok> Lol
08:56 <Schism> "Somewhere out in the Wasteland is a place with lots of trees, a veritable oasis of green in a depressing sea of brown..." -Three Dog
08:57 <sarevok> Realisticly there would be grass. Weapons would be in various states due to them being used by lol for over 200 years, supplies would be extremely scarce, towns would be more than a cobbled together shack, and in some cases ppl would get more creAtive with weapons
08:57 <sarevok> Ppl*
08:58 <Schism> Pretty sure the FEV plays a part in why there's not much growing.
08:58 <Schism> "Yes, I had just mowed my lawn, and a herd of aggressive Brahmin came by and stampeded. Ate it all up."
08:59 <sarevok> Ytrue, but you wouldn't notice fev sterilizes
09:00 <Schism> Well, everything but Deathclaws, because of course they're immune to that.
09:01 <sarevok> Good point. Lore wise death claws were created for the war not after but if if it was fev. I forgot
09:03 <sarevok> Gawd iv played all of the callouts too much xD
09:03 <sarevok> Fallouts*
09:06 <sarevok> Btw wasn't someone making a mod that creates fallout equestria in fallout 4?
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09:10 <Schism> I imagine so. I know that there were probably folks doing that for Fo3, which would be a little easier (considering that Fo:E pretty much is Fallout 3).
09:11 <Schism> <.< (https://pixelkitties.deviantart.com/art/Giddyup-Applejack-328767508 )
09:11 <sarevok> True
09:12 <sarevok> Fallout 4 power armor in fallout 3 would be perfect
09:12 <Schism> There are folks doing a remake of FO3 in FO4's engine.
09:13 <sarevok> I read about that it looks awesome
09:13 <Schism> Also, the Bethesda Ruins can die in so many fires. So many raiders with rocket launchers. ._.
09:13 <Finwe> Time to go. I have a medical examination at the institute of biomedicine.
09:14 <sarevok> Lol don't remind me
09:14 <sarevok> Good luck :)
09:14 <Finwe> See you later, everypony.
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09:14 <sarevok> Old Olney can burn too just for the record
09:17 <sarevok> You know I might have to start coming here more often =]
09:23 <Schism> Perhaps so!
09:23 * Schism frowns. "Definitely not spying on Mirelurks without a few more Stealth Buck--er, Stealth Boys."
09:23 <Schism> And probably a level's worth of points dumped into Sneak.
09:28 <sarevok> ...mirelurks can burn in all forms... ><
09:28 <sarevok> I doo miss the point system tho
09:28 <Schism> They're not so hard, if you have enough +Accuracy that you can regularly hit their faces, and keep them from headbutting you.
09:30 <sarevok> And I miss the ammo types from fonv. .. =/
09:30 <Schism> Everyone says, "Fallout 4 is good -- but it's not great."
09:30 <Ali> FO4 did a lot of neutering
09:33 <sarevok> It really did, the only thing I do like is the building and pa style
09:34 <Schism> That sounds a lot like the Dragonborn DLC for Skyrim, which did not come close to bringing the wonder and scope of Morrowind to an admittedly-already-simplified game.
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09:37 <sarevok> There s no way kids these days could handle morrowind lol
09:40 <Schism> There's no way kids these days could handle Ultima. Any of the Ultima series. (By which I mean everything up to Serpent Isle.)
09:41 <sarevok> Lol true
09:42 <Schism> Granted, they couldn't handle Ultima 8 or 9, either, but then, neither can anyone else.
09:42 <sarevok> Or like the original balders gate
09:42 <Schism> Or Icewind Dale, yes.
09:43 <Schism> Evidently Pillars is pretty good and faithful to those games? I haven't played it yet.
09:43 <sarevok> Iwd was awesome
09:44 <sarevok> They just don't make good games like they used to. Example. Diablo vs Diablo 3
09:45 <Schism> While that's an unfair comparison, you might want to look up Grim Dawn and Path of Exile.
09:45 <sarevok> I actually haven't heard those
09:46 <Schism> Oh, and Torchlight 2.
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09:47 <Schism> They're aRPGs which are much closer to the Diablo 2 style of play.
09:47 <sarevok> Orly nai ^_-
09:48 <sarevok> I'm going to have to investigate this
09:49 <sarevok> Wish they would make more tactic games like wasteland 2 and fallout tactics you know of any?
09:50 <Schism> A common one which you might want to look into is X-COM.
09:50 <sarevok> Which one? Lol
09:51 <sarevok> I ment post apocalyptic tactic
09:51 <sarevok> (Loved xcom series btw)
09:52 <Schism> Well, the most recent one is more friendly. :S Okay, how about the original Syndicate?
09:54 <sarevok> God it's been forever since I played that
09:55 <sarevok> Soo.. I take it you didn't like the random guided bomb straight into the jet killing everyone in one shot? :p
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10:10 <sarevok> Whelp it's 5am, I'm going to get some sleep since my phone is dying lol. Take it easy
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10:36 <Cepheid> How goes it, everyone? Schism?
10:36 <Schism> Eh, going alright. Making a lot of Cordials(HQ).
10:39 <Cepheid> Heh.
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10:44 <Cepheid> Anyhow, yeah, I laid down, and my mind wandered. I pulled up an old article I read and suddenly ideas spiral in my head.
10:47 <Schism> Hey, that rhymes. You're a poet and don't even realize.
10:47 <Schism> But yeah, that happens.
10:51 <Cepheid> But yes, with it I can do a roguelike game or a randomized dungeon crawler.
10:55 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/dU72d3U.jpg
11:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1191 [ http://tinyurl.com/ydf7qfup ]
11:21 <Cepheid> On one hand, I must study. On the other hand, I am going a little stir crazy just gaming all the time. I want to do something productive.
11:22 <Cepheid> And studying isn't productive enough.
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12:05 <Cepheid> I want to do something, but not gaming. And I won't let myself "produce" anything until after my final exam, so... I think today I shall binge something. Konosuba, perhaps.
12:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Magic Show / After Grannies / I Done 3:15 / Crusader 1 / Empty Halls 12 [ http://tinyurl.com/yc3fxpcx ]
12:13 <Schism> "The pollen is not the only magically active part of Poison Joak, but it's the most magically-active. The alicorn of the plant, if you will. This is used to attract the magically-sensitive insects of the Everfree, which are largely immune to it, having been impacted by chaos magic themselves. For example, the parasprite will often spread poison joak pollen around freely."
12:19 <Schism> Cepheid: Oh. Find and watch The Princess Bride.
12:23 <Cepheid> Heh.
12:23 <Schism> If only so that you can get half the references from it. :S
12:32 <RazorSharpFang> But only half. Not one more.
12:32 <RazorSharpFang> Anyway, I'm off to sleep. Cyas
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12:36 <Cepheid> I have two game ideas and an application idea. I'll have a lot to work on over the summer if I can suppress my desire to be lazy. Maybe I should consider going into the school on weekdays to work on stuff as if I had a job.
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13:30 <Cepheid> Hmm. Where did I leave off in EO5?
13:30 <Cepheid> 4th stratum. Team level 42.
13:50 <Cepheid> Good gods what is that thing and is that its mouth? Schism, heal my eyes with your magic while I kill it with extreme violence!
13:51 <Schism> Yeesh.
13:56 <Cepheid> Bah. Now I recognize em. Mole types. Pain in the rear. They dig into the ground to become invincible, until the end of the turn. then they pop out and do party-wide damage.
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14:44 <Cepheid> I am antsy. I can't focus on one particular thing for any amount of time.
14:47 <Cepheid> I think it is because I wasted my time today. Didn't do anything productive outside of studying and now I am too tired to do anything else.
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16:20 <Cepheid> People who say cats are boring, assholes, or don't love, have never raised a cat. If the have, then they were doing it wrong.
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20:01 <Razzaroo> Hello
20:01 <sarevok> Sup
20:01 <Razzaroo> just watched the princess tutu abridged
20:02 <sarevok> Princess tutu? Lol
20:02 <Razzaroo> Its an anime
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20:04 <Razzaroo> :(
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20:05 <sarevok> Whoops lol accadently closed it xD
20:06 <Razzaroo> hmm starlight glimmer or sunset shimmer
20:06 <Razzaroo> which ones better
20:07 <sarevok> Of those two...hmmm
20:07 <sarevok> Shimmer
20:07 <Razzaroo> starlights a friggin tolitarian leader xD
20:07 <Razzaroo> she is best
20:07 <Razzaroo> she has a backstory more
20:08 <Razzaroo> and sunset is like insert random pony person
20:08 <sarevok> Years but the reasoning is....poor lol
20:08 <sarevok> Yea*
20:08 <Razzaroo> ?
20:09 <Razzaroo> yeah but sunset doesn't have much of a character you know
20:09 <Razzaroo> Shes kinda just the antagonist
20:10 <sarevok> I like antagonist :3
20:10 <Razzaroo> if they have a story tho
20:10 <Razzaroo> if not its like random
20:10 <Razzaroo> xD
20:12 <Razzaroo> But her design is cool
20:12 <sarevok> Well glimmer's reason is just...poor. even tho summer's never gets clarified it leaves it up to interpretation. Glimmer it's just 'm friend left to get higher education. Must destroy everything
20:13 <Razzaroo> Haha XD
20:14 <sarevok> Don't get me wrong iv barley watched any episodes so don't quote me lol
20:14 <Razzaroo> i wish there were pony emojis :(
20:14 <Razzaroo> and ok
20:15 <sarevok> I'm sure there are some somewhere
20:15 <Razzaroo> Ah
20:15 <Razzaroo> maybe
20:15 <sarevok> This is the internet.... they are out there
20:15 <sarevok> Lol
20:16 <Razzaroo> 🐘
20:16 <Razzaroo> Free elephant lol
20:16 <sarevok> I'll admit I thought that was a teapot at first
20:16 <Razzaroo> Haha
20:16 <Razzaroo> Im using phone so
20:17 <sarevok> Same
20:17 <Razzaroo> anyone who can't see it im sorry lol
20:17 <Razzaroo> 🐱 free capper jk
20:17 <sarevok> If I was on my pc is probably be playing crossout or wow lol
20:18 <Razzaroo> ilh so much xD
20:20 <Razzaroo> whats crossout?
20:21 <sarevok> It's a free vehicular combat game. You literally design your own with parts kinda let go style
20:21 <Razzaroo> Oh :3
20:22 <sarevok> Like my setup is picture a heavily armored duely pickup with twin miniguns
20:23 <sarevok> Look up entak crossout on YouTube for a bunch of interesting designs
20:23 <sarevok> It's a mom
20:24 <sarevok> Mmo *
20:25 <Razzaroo> Oh ok
20:25 <Razzaroo> lol
20:25 <Razzaroo> random question
20:25 <sarevok> Shoot
20:27 <Razzaroo> anyone been to a convention whether its for this or any other
20:28 <sarevok> I haven't due to work
20:28 <Razzaroo> Oh
20:29 <Razzaroo> I've only been to ax and macross one
20:29 * Ali has been to Ciderfest several years now
20:29 <Razzaroo> never been to a brony one
20:29 <sarevok> Lol sup Ali
20:30 <Ali> Not much. Screwing around in Factorio
20:30 <Razzaroo> I wanna go to one but my bf is like thats too far away
20:32 <sarevok> I was checking out the new weapons on crossout.... I want a pair of cyclones...
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20:41 <sarevok> Wb
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20:53 <sarevok> So you bored yet Ali? Lol
20:54 <Ali> No, but I'm struggling
20:54 <sarevok> I hear ya.
20:55 <sarevok> Thank God for YouTube
20:55 <sarevok> Or Celestia in this case :p
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21:00 * Ali prefer's Luna :P
21:01 <sarevok> *agreed
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21:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: Syzy - Say Your Prayers [Dubstep] [ http://tinyurl.com/y8mw8vr3 ]
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22:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Fallout Equestria - "World Gone Mad" [ http://tinyurl.com/yc22qfaw ]
22:12 * Filly_Nightmares grooms Ali
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23:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: My Little Pony Movie Style Keychains Appear in Malaysia [ http://tinyurl.com/y9ltdepk ]
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