00:00 <Schism> To be quite frank, I know it's probably wrong, but a lack of Ethernet NIC is what I would consider a 'faulty motherboard'.
00:00 <Cepheid> Except that it's a "recent" addition. Ethernet used to be on a separate board.
00:00 <Schism> I know, I know.
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00:10 <Schism> Formal logic, as expressed by Bill Mitchell, R:IL-87. A -> B, C -> B, therefore A -> C.
00:12 <Cepheid> Uh...
00:13 <Schism> He followed that statement with 'That's just math.'
00:13 <Cepheid> I don't recall learning that back in discrete mathematics.
00:13 <Cepheid> I know A->B, B->C, then A->C is valid, but that..
00:14 <Schism> Yeah, doesn't quite fit, does it?
00:15 <Cepheid> Yup.
00:21 * Cepheid drinks a coffee.
00:22 * Schism might do the same, except the coffeemaker in a cleaning cycle. Once it stops smelling like vinegar, he'll probably make himself up a pot.
00:23 *** Moongoodgirl{K} is now known as Moongoodboy{K}
00:23 <Cepheid> Boil some water, add to coffee grinds, pour into filter over a cup or jar, etc.
00:24 <Schism> A possibility. Or I have a percolator. The concern there is that I'd need to clean the percolator first.
00:25 <Cepheid> I can do either instant, or coffee grind approach because we have a French Press for some reason.
00:25 <Schism> Well, a French Press is pretty small. o3o
00:26 <Schism> Coulda sworn we had one here, too, but evidently this is not the case.
00:27 <Cepheid> Heh.
00:29 * Schism has a pasta machine, though. ...
00:29 <Schism> No, no. I don't need to make linguine alfredo tonight.
00:29 <Cepheid> Heh.
00:34 <Schism> Coffee machine is much faster now. Takes barely 10 minutes to drip through.
00:35 <Cepheid> Heh.
00:35 <Cepheid> I am unfortunately stuck with a french press, or instant.
00:36 <Schism> Well, you don't drink more than a cup at a time these days, lest you get migraines.
00:36 <Cepheid> Not migraines.
00:36 <Cepheid> I get irritable.
00:36 <Schism> Oh right. Sorry, got that confused with, say, booze.
00:36 <Cepheid> Yes.
00:36 <Cepheid> I don't entirely know why I get so irritable.
00:37 <Cepheid> I do know that one cup of coffee a day is enough to cause shaking hands and stuff.
00:37 <Cepheid> And it lasts for much of the day.
00:37 * Schism nodnods, "No sense hurting yourself drinking more."
00:54 * Cepheid serves Schism a nice tall, cool glass of skellington juice.
00:56 <Schism> Is that... *looks* What
00:56 <Schism> So, black sarcophagus. That's a thing then.
00:57 <Cepheid> Milk.
00:57 <Cepheid> Not the sarcophagus wine.
00:58 <Schism> Oh, alright then.
00:58 * Schism dips cookies into it. The milk, that is.
00:59 <Cepheid> Sarcophagus Wine, Skeleton Ambrosia, Curse Juice.
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01:06 <Schism> A real brew-ha-ha.
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01:09 <ADragonDreaming> woof.
01:10 <Cepheid> Meow.
01:11 <ADragonDreaming> How doth it go?
01:11 <Cepheid> Been missing for some time. What game or games caught your attention?
01:11 <ADragonDreaming> Mm, less games, more circumstances.
01:12 <Cepheid> Let's see, finished my course over the summer. B mark. Then lots of gaming, programming. Contacted by university with request that I sign up for a TA position..
01:12 <Cepheid> Managed to get a new psych appointment for the 16th of August.
01:12 <ADragonDreaming> My sister and her clan went to visit family and childhood in Ivory Coast
01:12 <ADragonDreaming> so I was at their house for three weeks
01:13 <ADragonDreaming> In the meantime the laptop's developed battery plague, so there've been semi-frequent shutdowns.
01:13 <ADragonDreaming> and IRC was not set to start automatically.
01:13 <ADragonDreaming> Good to hear the course of study went well.
01:13 <ADragonDreaming> Planning on taking that TA spot/
01:13 <ADragonDreaming> *?
01:14 <Cepheid> I know who requested me, and I hold too much respect for them to refuse, so I signed up. Given that they don't NORMALLY ask students to sign up, I'm under the impression it's a sure-thing.
01:15 <ADragonDreaming> Generally if they ask you to do a thing there's a good chance it'll happen, so yeah.
01:16 <Cepheid> I don't mind taking the position either because it's programming, not math.
01:16 <ADragonDreaming> Aha, nice.
01:16 <ADragonDreaming> In terms of games, I played through Rage of Mages in its entirety while house-sitting.
01:17 <Cepheid> Heh.
01:18 <ADragonDreaming> And I am currently giving Dark Souls a second chance.
01:18 <Cepheid> How's that going?
01:18 <Cepheid> Also, did you hear about MH:World?
01:18 <ADragonDreaming> Yes.
01:19 <ADragonDreaming> I will be canceling my pre-order on the 5th of August, due to Denuvo.
01:19 <ADragonDreaming> And may pick it up some time after launch.
01:19 <Cepheid> I'm indifferent about denuvo. My concern is the requirements.
01:20 <Cepheid> And how they plan to handle hacking.
01:20 <Cepheid> Because PC Monster Hunter = Pretty much open to cheating like you wouldn't believe.
01:20 <ADragonDreaming> I've heard it's resource-intensive, yes. haven't heard about hacking.
01:20 <ADragonDreaming> But, eh, so long as I can still pick who I play with I'm not super-concerned about hacking.
01:21 <Cepheid> Aye.
01:21 <Cepheid> I guess then for the time being you'll be doing MH:Generations G?
01:21 <ADragonDreaming> Yes.
01:22 <Cepheid> Yeah, I was thinking the same. Hold off on MH:World until I got better hardware. I also want to see how Capcom plans to handle the extra content they're releasing for it.
01:24 <ADragonDreaming> Aye.
01:25 <ADragonDreaming> What are they planning for hacking?
01:25 <Cepheid> I haven't heard anything at all.
01:26 <Schism> Maybe they can follow in SONIC Team's footst--*brick'd*
01:26 <ADragonDreaming> heh
01:27 <ADragonDreaming> As far as Dark souls goes, I've gotten 16 levels, got a halberd at +5, a black knight shield at +2, and range the Undead Parish bell, in about, eh... 4 or hours of play?
01:27 <ADragonDreaming> *ran
01:27 <ADragonDreaming> *rang
01:27 <Schism> Sadly, you didn't get the hammer. ;-;
01:27 <ADragonDreaming> Incorrect.
01:27 <ADragonDreaming> Black firebombs.
01:28 <Cepheid> Prepare to Die edition or Remastered?
01:28 <ADragonDreaming> Prepare to Die
01:28 <Schism> You used those? Nice.
01:28 <Schism> Of course, it'll be a couple levels before you have the Strength to use it.
01:29 <ADragonDreaming> I probably won't use it.
01:29 <Cepheid> Remastered isn't problematic, but for gods sake disable netplay on PC.
01:29 <Cepheid> Apparently there is a severe hacking issue on the PC release.
01:29 <ADragonDreaming> Oh, I'm not surprised.
01:29 <ADragonDreaming> So far I've yet to be invaded.
01:29 <Cepheid> Hacking issues are the primary reason I prefer PS4 or other consoles, though consoles aren't immune to the problem either.
01:29 <ADragonDreaming> We'll see if it keeps up.
01:30 <ADragonDreaming> If it gets annoying, I'll dig deeper into disabling it.
01:30 <Cepheid> PS4 and XBoxOne take more effort. Switch is...
01:30 <ADragonDreaming> Nothing simple was available.
01:30 <Schism> But Adra, Y NO PLAY AS HOLLO. He said with a groan... hmm.
01:30 <Cepheid> Switch hacking is a problem now.
01:30 <ADragonDreaming> "Because then I can't summon Solaire."
01:30 <Cepheid> Because the system's been broken open.
01:30 <Schism> Oh. Adra: just disable network usage for the game itself in Windows.
01:30 <Cepheid> Apparently there's a glitch in the underlying Tegra hardware that Nintendo cannot patch or fix, which allows for easy OS replacement, etc.
01:31 <PinkieShy> hhe
01:31 <PinkieShy> *heh
01:31 <ADragonDreaming> Cepheid: that's the thing where you have to mess with the physical hardware, innit?
01:31 <PinkieShy> Orange is the new black this season is.. Cray cray.
01:31 <Schism> I have heard that's a good thing, with one cast member who was bringing it down getting out.
01:31 <Cepheid> You don't have to mess with the physical hardware.
01:32 <Cepheid> Apparently it doesn't require hardware manipulation. It's just the problem is IN the hardware itself and can't be fixed.
01:32 <Cepheid> Well, by software updates.
01:32 <Cepheid> It requires hardware manufacturing changes to fix.
01:32 <ADragonDreaming> Ah. Last I'd heard you had to mess with one control sticks.
01:32 <ADragonDreaming> *one of the
01:34 <Cepheid> Apparently it's no longer required to do hardware changes.
01:34 <Schism> Oh. Adra, without GWFL enabled, evidently you can disable Dark Souls multiplayer by putting Steam into Offline mode.
01:34 <Schism> (It no longer uses GFWL, it uses Steam instead.)
01:34 <Cepheid> The glitch is in the Tegra chip itself, and apparently because it's hardware-level, it can't be fixed with firmware updates, and ultimately, any system prior to when the glitch was found is guaranteed to work with CFW.
01:34 <ADragonDreaming> Schism: Aye, I know the tricks itself.
01:35 <Schism> Oh, okay then. :S
01:35 <ADragonDreaming> But it's somewhat annoying.
01:35 <Schism> No doubt.
01:35 <ADragonDreaming> And because the community is what it is, no one's made a mod that just prevents invasions.
01:36 <Cepheid> In any case I'm not touching CFW for my switch right now. I'll wait until Nintendo decides to move onto a new system.
01:36 <ADragonDreaming> CFW stands for what?
01:37 <Cepheid> Custom FirmWare.
01:37 <ADragonDreaming> ah
01:37 <Cepheid> I generally only toy with it when I'm dealing with hardware that's being abandoned for one reason or another.
01:37 <Cepheid> For example, my PSVita, my 3DS, Wii U, etc.
01:38 <ADragonDreaming> Aye.
01:38 <ADragonDreaming> Also, fist-pump.
01:38 <ADragonDreaming> I got a Black Knight Greatsword.
01:38 <Cepheid> Nice.
01:38 *** Quits: SunsetShimmer (DJPon3IsHer@DJ.Wub.Wub) (Quit: Nini!)
01:39 <Schism> Hmmm, shiny indeed.
01:40 <Cepheid> Someone compel me to get off my butt and work.
01:40 <ADragonDreaming> Cepheid: Do work, son.
01:40 * Schism sends a collection of Mabs after Cepheid.
01:41 <Cepheid> Basically what I need to do now, now that I got a terrible, but usable model editor for this project, is to create a tool that allows me to combine these models into larger composite objects.
01:42 <Cepheid> I think I'll take my keyboard try down and set up a workspace down here tonight.
01:43 * ADragonDreaming head tilts
01:43 <ADragonDreaming> oh, tray
01:45 <ADragonDreaming> Undead Burg has no challenge for me at this point.
01:45 <ADragonDreaming> Halberd kills all these hollows in one shot.
01:46 <Cepheid> Then time to move on, yo.
01:46 <ADragonDreaming> oh, yes, I was just there to hit the bonfire.
01:46 <Cepheid> But yeah, I have a keyboard tray that's nice and wide. I found it works well with my mother's lay-z-boy chair.
01:46 <ADragonDreaming> shortcut was opened to the lower burg.
01:46 <Cepheid> Combine that with an external mouse and mousepad, and I can do work anywhere in the house relatively easily.
01:48 <ADragonDreaming> Nice
01:48 <ADragonDreaming> Also, hi Griggs
01:48 <ADragonDreaming> I will probably not buy anything you sell.
01:49 <Cepheid> That's the undead burg salesman, right?
01:49 <ADragonDreaming> Nah
01:49 <Cepheid> He sells a key for one of the buildings in the Burg, if you haven't taken the Master Key.
01:49 <ADragonDreaming> That's the Undead Male Merchant
01:49 <Cepheid> Oh.
01:49 <ADragonDreaming> Griggs is the first sorcery trainer
01:49 <Schism> Repaaaair.
01:50 <ADragonDreaming> you need that key from the Undead Male Merchant to rescue Griggs from the lower burg.
01:50 <ADragonDreaming> Yes, I have that box already.
01:50 <Schism> Mage light, too?
01:50 <ADragonDreaming> Hm? No.
01:50 <Schism> Oh right, he doesn't sell that one.
01:51 <ADragonDreaming> I don't believe that UMM sells any sorceries
01:51 <ADragonDreaming> and Griggs is not yet back at Firelink.
01:52 <Schism> Ah right.
01:52 <Schism> Hmm. Stock up on regular firebombs?
01:53 <ADragonDreaming> I'm doing well with my halberd. Also, I started Pyromancer.
01:53 <ADragonDreaming> I have fireballs.
01:54 <ADragonDreaming> need to remember lock-on is the mouse-wheel click
01:54 <Schism> I switched it to R.
01:55 <ADragonDreaming> r swaps my spells.
01:55 <ADragonDreaming> I might flip it at some point
01:55 * Schism nods.
01:56 <ADragonDreaming> I am now picking up armor sets.
01:56 <ADragonDreaming> However I don't have a reason to swap off pyro rags yet.
01:56 <ADragonDreaming> aha, there's Capra's door.
01:56 <Cepheid> Before I start working, I should probably take a shower and get changed into appropriate clothing instead of sitting in pajamas. Something-something-something getting dressed for what you want to do helps focus on the topic at hand.
01:56 <ADragonDreaming> Hmmm... I have 6k souls.
01:57 <Schism> Cepheid: Ooh, put on a businessman's noose.
01:57 <ADragonDreaming> Nah, I can do this.
01:57 <Cepheid> Capra Demon. Capra Demons aren't hard, by nature. It's just annoying because of the way the arena is set up.
01:57 <Cepheid> And how the AI of the Capra Demon starts while you're still transitioning.
01:59 <ADragonDreaming> One and done.
02:00 <Cepheid> Nice.
02:00 <ADragonDreaming> It didn't take me too many tries first time around.
02:00 <Cepheid> Anyways, back in 20 minutes. I'm gonna go take a shower.
02:00 <ADragonDreaming> Back in 2014
02:00 <ADragonDreaming> But that is because of Monster hunter.
02:04 <ADragonDreaming> Hi, Undead Female Merchant!
02:08 <ADragonDreaming> Hey Griggs! How'd you get here before I did?
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02:12 <Thelema5> Helllo everypony
02:14 <ADragonDreaming> Lautrec, even if I didn't know what you are about, your voice would make you the most untrustworthy guy ever.
02:17 <Schism> You might kinda sorta want to keep that Firelink Shrine bonfire active.
02:20 <PinkieShy> Do you guys think if my doctor said every other night for melatonin is safe.. That taking it 3 nights in a row would be considered short term use of it?
02:21 <ADragonDreaming> I am not a doctor.
02:21 <Cepheid> I take melatonin frequently.
02:21 <Cepheid> Night after night is fine.
02:21 <Cepheid> I once took it for three months day-after-day with no long-term effects.
02:21 <ADragonDreaming> But if I stop Lautrec, then girl won't ever be able to speak.
02:21 <Cepheid> Either way, Lautrec kills her, rescue him or not.
02:22 <Thelema5> PinkieShy, it's safe but it's most useful for resetting your circadian rhythms
02:22 <PinkieShy> cepheid so it don't make your body like stop making it naturally?
02:22 <Cepheid> Not as far as I know.
02:22 <ADragonDreaming> Yeah, I know, I already rescued him.
02:22 <PinkieShy> Thelema5 I'm using it to counteract my sleep habits :/
02:22 <ADragonDreaming> The only way to stop him from killing the girl is to kill him RIGHT NOW.
02:22 <PinkieShy> Keep taking naps during the day unexpectedly
02:22 <Cepheid> Pretty much, ADragonDreaming.
02:22 <PinkieShy> I say i am going to lay down to just lay down.. End up falling ot sleep for an hour.
02:22 <Thelema5> Yeah, melatonin will help with that if you take it half an hour before bedtime
02:22 <PinkieShy> I take 3mg
02:23 <PinkieShy> it says like 20 minutes before on the bottle
02:23 <ADragonDreaming> I hear you snoring, Frampt.
02:23 <Cepheid> Get ringing those bells.
02:23 <Thelema5> Meh, what's an extra 10 minutes? That's a typical dose, PinkieShy
02:23 <ADragonDreaming> I could use you waking up so that I can feed you dupe items.
02:23 <ADragonDreaming> I don't need three hollow soldier shields
02:24 <Thelema5> The place I work sells up to 10 mg. melatonin per dose but it's not often sold
02:24 <Cepheid> PinkieShy: It tends to kick in relatively quick, yes. Especially if you use it right.
02:24 <ADragonDreaming> Hello Haircut.
02:24 <ADragonDreaming> Your haircut bros and M'Lady are here, eh?
02:25 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1515 [ http://tinyurl.com/y7a6o3cl ]
02:25 <Schism> Hmmmm, plus if you kill 'im now, you can get that Ring of Favor and Protection right away.
02:25 <Cepheid> But then you'll have sinned and will need to get that clear.
02:25 <PinkieShy> Thelema5 and Cepheid i had to do it the other day lol
02:25 <Schism> Oh, true.
02:25 <ADragonDreaming> And again
02:25 <PinkieShy> I was tossing and turning in bed and didn't get to sleep until 6am
02:25 <ADragonDreaming> girly will be mute forever.
02:26 <PinkieShy> I decided enough is enough and just took it
02:26 <Thelema5> PinkieShy, that's good but you should take it proactively to set your natural sleep cycle when you want it, not as a "fall asleep now" kinda thing
02:27 <ADragonDreaming> Hey Reah. Guess what.
02:27 <ADragonDreaming> Your boys are punks.
02:28 <Thelema5> The best use for melatonin is treating jet lag; if you travel to the other side of the world you body expects to sleep at the usual biological time, which would be mid-day in the new place... so people take it to reset their bodies "internal clock" to local time
02:28 <PinkieShy> I'm doing that now tho :)
02:28 <Thelema5> Yep!
02:28 <PinkieShy> Trying to get my sleep cycle set to 2am.
02:28 <PinkieShy> and wake up at 10am
02:29 <PinkieShy> I stay up so late to spend time with my dad when he gets home :P
02:30 <PinkieShy> That should change tho soon
02:30 <PinkieShy> Walmart is changing his hours supposedly soon
02:30 <Thelema5> Oh?
02:30 <PinkieShy> instead of 2 to 11 I believe he said it'll be 1 to 10.
02:31 <Thelema5> Just a slight change then
02:31 * Schism wonders what Adra's covenant will be.
02:32 <ADragonDreaming> None of them are super useful.
02:33 <Schism> Way of White, I guess, might be your go-to.
02:33 <PinkieShy> Thelema5 they had to take out like 4 registers in our walmart lol
02:33 <PinkieShy> They now have a giant pickup robot in their place.
02:33 <PinkieShy> for online pickup lol
02:33 <ADragonDreaming> It's what I have now. Might do Sunbro, or Fair Lady, later.
02:34 * Schism offers Cepheid some spicy onion and garlic soup to clear his sinuses.
02:35 <Cepheid> My sinuses are surprisingly clear tonight.
02:35 <Schism> Hh. Still tasty, tho.
02:35 <PinkieShy> My allergies don't bug me no more since using Flonase :3
02:35 * ADragonDreaming ponders what to spend souls on.
02:35 <PinkieShy> If i skip using it... the sneezing comes back tho
02:35 <Schism> I imagine Cepheid would equip the Cat Covenant Ring.
02:36 <ADragonDreaming> That's an option. I'm over half-way to the shortcut key Andre sells.
02:37 <Schism> Evidently, the Forest Hunter invasion events are a decent source of Pendants.
02:39 <PinkieShy> So found out why i got denied credit from fingerhut
02:39 <PinkieShy> They don't use the major 3 at all..
02:40 <PinkieShy> They use something called Sage Stream LLC
02:40 <PinkieShy> where my score was extremely lower than TransUnion score..
02:40 <PinkieShy> Transunion and the other one that credit karma gives free says my score is 678 but their report said 471.. uhh..
02:43 <Thelema5> PinkieShy, just be careful. Fingerhut is kinda evil.
02:44 <ADragonDreaming> ...what is Fingerhut?
02:44 <ADragonDreaming> The name does not sound nice
02:44 <PinkieShy> Thelema5 i was going to get desk from them..
02:44 <PinkieShy> And pay it off ASAP
02:44 <Thelema5> It's a mail-order company, but they don't make money selling goods, they make money giving sub-prime loans to lower income people who will likely default on the loans
02:45 <Thelema5> I think they have a 15% interest rate on their inside line of credit
02:45 <PinkieShy> I learned all about sites like that and even Credit Cards back in High school..
02:45 <PinkieShy> Even took a simulation thing in school and I did extremely well on the Simulation..
02:46 <ADragonDreaming> Heeeeeey, Balder Side Sword
02:47 <Thelema5> All I'm saying is be careful. Their business model is about as ethical as payday loan places
02:47 <Schism> Adra: Ooh, lucky.
02:47 <Schism> You're getting some crazy drops.
02:47 <PinkieShy> Thelema5 I kinda see that if they don't use the Major 3 like MOST do..
02:47 <ADragonDreaming> Well, this'll be a nice alt to the halberd.
02:48 <PinkieShy> well one of the Major 3..
02:48 <ADragonDreaming> And now I have a thing to spend souls on!
02:49 <Schism> A-rank Dex bonus at +14, nice.
02:49 <Thelema5> They are counting on people spending more than they can afford and defaulting, mostly lower income people, who they expect to have multiple leans on their income; they assignee of the load decides how their income is garnished when the creditors call, so they expect to get paid first so the lower-income person gets to keep that big shiny TV
02:49 <ADragonDreaming> Pat calls it the Baller Swag Sword
02:50 <PinkieShy> Thelema5 My dad uses them..
02:50 <PinkieShy> He got him a laptop, and a lawn mower..
02:50 <PinkieShy> But agian if i buy from them..
02:51 <PinkieShy> They'll see when a payment is due.. It'll be paid off lol I wouldn't over do it
02:54 <Thelema5> Good.
02:55 <Thelema5> I guess my biggest pet peeve with companies like that is they wond up charging MUCH more for big-ticket products in the long term by stretching out payments for months or even years... at 15% interest.
02:55 <Thelema5> *wind
02:56 <PinkieShy> I think their APR rate is like 29%
02:57 * Thelema5 falls over
02:58 <Thelema5> Oh good, the Orville SDCC trailer actually promotes the show right for once... as a sincere love letter to Star Trek with a few gags thrown in, as opposed to how they were promoting it last year, basically as if it were Family Guy in Space
02:58 <ADragonDreaming> whoops
02:58 <Thelema5> !link https://youtu.be/Jr7H54VLK-4
02:58 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
02:58 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about THE ORVILLE Season 2 Trailer Comic Con (2018) Seth McFarlane Fox Series
03:02 <Thelema5> Jonathan Frakes is directing two episodes this season, and marina sirtis will be costarring in one of them
03:03 <Cepheid> Heh. This episode of Forensic Files is covering a woman suffering from... I forget the name of the syndrome, but it's where the mother becomes paranoid about their child's health, and regularly go to the hospital where they find the child is fine, etc, etc, etc.
03:03 <Cepheid> The only reason this is of interest to me is because my mother was accused of that syndrome regarding me when I was a baby.
03:03 <Thelema5> Heh
03:03 <Cepheid> Apparently I'd stop breathing on my parents, they'd rush me into the hospital, and by the time the doctors got to me, I was fine.
03:04 <Thelema5> Recently?
03:04 <Cepheid> No, this is when I was a baby.
03:04 <Cepheid> Basically, I'd just up and stop breathing. No explanation was ever found.
03:05 <Thelema5> Oh gosh
03:05 <Cepheid> Because of the way things went, my mother was accused of being afflicted with whatever that syndrome is called.
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03:05 <Cepheid> It wasn't until the hospital kept me overnight with a nurse next to me.
03:05 <Cepheid> Even *THEN* they almost missed it.
03:05 <Cepheid> The nurse got bored watching me, and it wasn't until my mother pointed out that I was turning blue.
03:05 <Schism> Munschausen-by-proxy?
03:05 <Cepheid> Then the hospital realized they made a mistake. According to my mother, she never did get an apology from the hospital for the accusations.
03:06 <Cepheid> They still treated my mother with disdain afterwards.
03:06 <Cepheid> They never did find out what caused it, though. As I sort of just "grew out of it" so to speak.
03:06 <Schism> People hate admitting that they're wrong, even when shown the facts.
03:06 <Schism> Especially, even.
03:06 <Cepheid> They ran tests on me for everything they could think of. Aneurysms, meningitis, cystic fibrosis, asthma, you name it, they checked for it.
03:07 <Cepheid> Every test came back inconclusive.
03:07 <Thelema5> It's a mystery
03:08 <Cepheid> This was just one of a few issues I had as a child.
03:08 <Cepheid> I'm honestly surprised I am still alive.
03:09 <Thelema5> Speaking of which, my broken rib is making it very hard for me to breathe right now
03:09 * Schism errghs. Offers Thelema5 some oxygen, maybe. ._. "If it keeps getting worse..."
03:10 <Thelema5> Yeah
03:10 <Schism> If it makes you feel better, a bit of silly news: a shark was stolen from an aquarium on Saturday.
03:11 <Schism> The enterprising thieves yanked the shark from the water, swaddled it in towels and smuggled it out in a baby carrier.
03:11 <Thelema5> O.o
03:11 <PinkieShy> Going to get a coffee maker from my brother tomorrow :)
03:12 <Schism> Sadly, the shark is unlikely to survive, but it's one of those stories that makes you go, 'what?' http://tinyurl.com/yd6nrm8g
03:12 <PinkieShy> they got a new one and they have like a $90 one they tried to sell nobody is buying so he asked me if i wanted it if not its being thrown out lol
03:12 <PinkieShy> I'll take that surely
03:12 <PinkieShy> and use it for tea XD
03:12 <Schism> PinkieShy: Not bad. Is it a pod coffeemaker, or a drip one?
03:13 <PinkieShy> Its one of the drip ones :)
03:13 <Schism> At that price point, I take it, a Black & Decker or something similar?
03:14 <Thelema5> You can't beat that.
03:14 <Schism> And indeed!
03:14 <ADragonDreaming> Aaaayyy, Large Ember
03:14 <Thelema5> Although lately I've been hearing a lot about pour-over coffee and cold-brew. I drink a cold brew coffee concentrate in flax milk every morning, it's good.
03:17 <ADragonDreaming> oh hey, Laurence.
03:18 <ADragonDreaming> oh right, Laurentius
03:24 * Cepheid is hungry.
03:25 <Schism> Eggs.
03:26 <Cepheid> Too late. Picked out cup noodles. But eggs would have been a good idea, yes.
03:26 <Schism> Plop an egg into the cup noodles?
03:27 <Thelema5> Classic combo
03:27 <Schism> Could just whisk the egg, then pour it through a fork into the boiling pot o' noodles.
03:27 <Thelema5> Egg drop noodle soup
03:27 <Thelema5> Oh, hey... there's a field mouse in here
03:27 * Schism huhs. o.o
03:28 * Cepheid gives that a try.
03:28 <Thelema5> I'll never catch it with gout and a broken rib... where are my cats?
03:28 <Schism> Hiding from it, I imagine.
03:28 <Thelema5> Probably.
03:29 * ADragonDreaming lights Depths bonfire, levels to SL 20, calls it night
03:29 * Schism noddles. Also, claps for Adra.
03:29 <Thelema5> Although my pet sitter /did/ report that my cats had caught a mouse while I was away and left it for her
03:29 <Thelema5> So I guess one or the other managed to do some work
03:30 <Cepheid> The mice in our place have finally stopped.
03:30 <Cepheid> Dad closed up the holes, and we killed all of the mice.
03:30 <Thelema5> Nice.
03:31 <Thelema5> This guy probably made its way in from the garage door, I'd love to get him back outside before the cats find him... I usually catch them with a net, but that's not going to happen tonight
03:32 <Cepheid> That's how the mice in our place got in, yeah.
03:32 <Cepheid> Through the garage door. It doesn't close tightly, so mice can cram themselves in.
03:32 <Thelema5> Same. The kicker is that I just replaced that door two years ago
03:32 <Cepheid> They're still trying to get in though. There's evidence of tampering with the filler in the holes by something small and bitey.
03:32 <Thelema5> Time for some fox urine
03:32 <Thelema5> XD
03:37 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5YjlQkDz5w
03:37 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
03:37 <Schism> ... gaaaaasp. Malcolm Turnbull ate a pie with a knife and fork?! *lights the torches*
03:38 <Schism> Cepheid: Hah!
03:38 <Thelema5> The fact that both of those guys own katanas is a bit strange
03:39 <Cepheid> "Must have been nothing!"
03:39 <Cepheid> Thelema5: Not really. Sword collecting is a hobby.
03:41 <Schism> http://www.machall.com/view.php?date=2006-04-07 - stealth!
03:41 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Games that let you max out your stealth.
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03:41 <Cyan_Spark> poni
03:42 * Thelema5 has many (now rusting) swords from days gone by, but they're all european designs
03:42 <Cepheid> Preeettty much Schism.
03:43 <Schism> http://www.theweek.co.uk/95344/egyptian-zoo-paints-donkey-to-look-like-zebra
03:43 <Cepheid> Heh.
03:43 <Cepheid> Illusion magic failure.
03:44 <Schism> When you hear hoofprints...
03:44 * Thelema5 snerks
03:44 <Schism> hoofsteps*
03:44 * PinkieShy noms on sonic burger and tots
03:44 <Schism> Why would you get a burger from Sonic? You need Coney dogs. Tater tots are good, and also you should have a limeade.
03:45 <Schism> Thelema5, back me up here.
03:45 <Thelema5> I think Sonic started as a burger place, actually. I've nver actually been to one.
03:46 <Schism> But... but.
03:46 <Thelema5> Wait, my bad... it started as a chicken place called Troy's Pan Full of Chicken
03:47 <Thelema5> Then it became a steak and rootbeer restaurant. Huh.
03:47 <Schism> And mostly sold hamburgers and hot dogs after they became more profitable than the chicken and steak, and... hm.
03:48 <Thelema5> Speaking of which, I hear that the Canadian A&W chains are now selling plant-based Beyond Meat burgers
03:48 <Thelema5> I'm envious.
03:48 <Schism> Very quickly.
03:48 <Thelema5> I've tried them, they're rather good.
03:48 * Cepheid noms noodles and egg. "That was more filling than usual."
03:49 * Schism nods to Cepheid, "Worked well, ne?"
03:49 <Thelema5> Hail Protein!
03:50 <Schism> Of course, considering that cup noodles are basically bereft of anything filling...
03:50 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjKSeELIoPc
03:50 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
03:51 <Cepheid> Gotta love kittens and their protective nature of food.
03:51 <Thelema5> That cat eats like a man in a prison cafeteria
03:51 <Schism> ... https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/teen-arrested-after-breaking-into-palo-alto-home-asking-for-wifi-password/1324117263
03:51 <Cepheid> Thelema5: All kittens do that early on when eating.
03:52 <Cepheid> They make a mess of it, and they're excessively protective of their food.
03:52 <Thelema5> To be fair, it /was/ palo alto, so the wifi must have been blazing fast
03:52 <Cepheid> I saw that, Schism. I just shrugged and moved on. He got what was coming to him for it.
03:53 * Cepheid puts on a remix of Nuclear Fusion, codes to Okuu music.
03:54 * Schism shares this song, named Nuclear Fusion, with Thelema5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2fKv91Pos This is not Okuu music.
03:54 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Hungry kitten protecting his food and getting mad
03:55 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWeH_CcTq_8 Reminds me that I need to share this again. Apparently minusT is doing one between Reimu and Koishi next.
03:55 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about [Touhou 3D] Subterranean Stars
03:56 <Thelema5> Schism, this is great! I want it on vinyl now
03:56 <Schism> It really is!
03:58 <Thelema5> Reminds me a bit of old Rick Wakeman stuff
03:59 <Thelema5> Not sure why
04:00 <Cepheid> I wonder what it is exactly that draws people to the Touhou series. I'd like to create my own storyline and world, while challenging the Touhou series, insane as a move as that may be. >_>;
04:01 <Thelema5> Ow, jebus. Sneezing with a broken rib is the worst
04:01 <Cepheid> Yup.
04:03 <Thelema5> "Lets uncontrollably force your ribcage to expand and contract to max capacity suddenly even though the bone is fractured. Great idea!"
04:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: SFM: Goner [ http://tinyurl.com/yc8hpro2 ]
04:09 * DashedRainbows licks Thelema5
04:11 <Thelema5> Huh, what a strange coincidence. I felt like listening to Bowie's Space oddity, and looked up the production notes as I was listening. Turns out that Rick Wakeman was a studio musician on the recording. Two references to him in 15 minutes
04:11 <Thelema5> "this means something!"
04:12 * Schism hands Thelema5 some mashed potatoes.
04:12 <Thelema5> Thanks for catching the reference
04:12 <Schism> Not exactly the most obscure reference, that. o3o
04:12 <Thelema5> I can always count on you for that, though
04:13 <Thelema5> Also, Mashed Potatoes are of the yum
04:13 <Schism> Hmm. Now I kinda want some mashed taters. Maybe with a bit of this onion soup mixed in.
04:13 <Schism> Or just making onion gravy with said soup mix, and pouring that on top.
04:14 <Schism> And, of course, with plenty of butter and cheese as well...
04:14 <Thelema5> I make a killer porchini mushroom brown gravy for potatoes
04:14 <Schism> Ah yes. o3o
04:14 <Thelema5> https://www.veganosity.com/vegan-porcini-mushroom-gravy/
04:15 <Thelema5> I wild-source porchinis, they're super easy to identitfy. They're actually Boletes. There are only a few in the family to avoid, and they're easy to seperate out.
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04:16 <RazorSharpFang> Heyas
04:16 <Thelema5> Hi there
04:17 <Schism> Thelema5: Hmmm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsCfqCUiZ2A - blue bruising, man, that's one heckuva sign.
04:18 <Schism> Though evidently that's not entirely the case. And much, much more caution is required. Learning, anyway.
04:20 <Thelema5> Yep. Blue brusing and red underside "sponges". No Bolete will kill you, even the "bad ones" will just make you sick. Just check for staining and red undersides, you'll be fine
04:20 <Thelema5> Not all taste good, though... King Bolete is the prize.
04:21 <Thelema5> Heh, how funny... google is watching. I clicked that video link and was served an ad for Sonic
04:23 <Cepheid> ... The hell was THAT all about? Laptop just shut down on me, as if the power had been cut completely.
04:26 <Thelema5> Overheated, maybe?
04:27 <Cepheid> Nah.
04:27 <Cepheid> Let's see..
04:28 <Cepheid> I can't find anything in the system logs.
04:29 <Thelema5> Weird
04:33 * Cepheid shrugs.
04:33 <Cepheid> It happens.
04:34 <DashedRainbows> how is the Thelema5
04:37 <Thelema5> DashedRainbows, okay. Having a hard time moving around between the gout and the broken rib... even shifting my weight on this chair is a chore
04:37 <Thelema5> Can't get a full breath, yawn, or sigh...
04:38 <Thelema5> So my lungs feel heavy
04:38 <Thelema5> You?
04:41 <DashedRainbows> I'm writing a bot for my discord thingie
04:41 <DashedRainbows> so ok I guess
04:41 <Cepheid> What I hate about namespaces: Type in "System.Windows.Forms.Form" for documentation. Unfortunately, the browser interprets this as a URL.
04:41 <Thelema5> Neat
04:51 <Thelema5> Gosh, it's getting really hard to breathe sitting up
04:52 <Thelema5> Mayhaps I should lay down
04:52 <Cepheid> Not a bad idea, yeah
04:53 <Schism> Yeah, take some pressure off your ribs that way, if it helps...
04:53 <Schism> But keep an eye on yourself. If you find it getting even worse, call the hospital.
04:55 <Thelema5> Yeah, a good idea
04:55 <Schism> Maybe watch something engaging for an hour, on a phone or tablet, and see how you feel as that goes on.
04:57 <Thelema5> Thanks for the ideas, I might watch that silly sitcom I've been binging on
05:03 <Thelema5> Link !https://youtu.be/mNKEKlXY3Z4
05:04 <Thelema5> Too, too day-to-day for most I think
05:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Fiesta SEAPonyCon Opens Activity Applications 27-28 October 2018 [ http://tinyurl.com/ycjptxbj ]
05:05 <Schism> I dunno, that looks like a really fun show. X3
05:06 <Cepheid> ...
05:06 <Cepheid> My current app is crashing monodevelop when I do a drag-and-drop operation from my app over the monodevelop tool.
05:06 <Cepheid> I have no idea why. I've enabled logging of all errors in monodevelop, but the log remains empty.
05:08 <Thelema5> Schism, it really is
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05:21 <Cepheid> Hmm. It appears the crash is caused by something that I am doing.
05:24 * Cepheid dances to Foo Fighters - Sky is a Neighborhood
05:25 <Schism> ... Gordon Ramsay, no. ...just... no. You are not Anthony Bourdain.
05:26 * Cepheid switches to You Will Know Our Names - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooZyHLLQ5e8
05:27 <Cepheid> The link to Xenoblade Chronicles 1 is... insane, in that game.
05:27 <Cepheid> Like, utter madness insane.
05:27 <Cepheid> I won't spoil it in the channel though, so if you must know, ask me in a /query or whatever.
05:29 * Filly_Nightmares is sleepy floofy
05:30 * Filly_Nightmares sleepies on Schism and hugs Cepheid
05:30 <Filly_Nightmares> Nini
05:30 *** Filly_Nightmares is now known as Sleeping_Nightmares
05:30 * Schism pats the floof, and provides a plush Woona.
05:30 * Sleeping_Nightmares suckles on and clings onto Cepheid
05:39 <Cepheid> ...
05:40 <Cepheid> Does MonoDevelop just plain not like unexpected formats when dragging and dropping? Bleh, is there a way to restrict notification behaviour to just the application..?
05:40 <Schism> Cepheid: So, La-Mulana 2 is out.
05:40 <Schism> Adra, you might want to know that too. <_<
05:41 <Cepheid> So I heard.
05:45 * Cepheid head-desks.
05:48 <Cepheid> Apparently, when you drag data from one window to another, or from one control to another, MonoDevelop will intercept dragging events. If it can't parse or use the data in the event, it spazzes and just crashes.
05:49 <Schism> That... sounds like you're going to need to save way more often than you should in case of a misclick of any kind.
05:50 <Cepheid> Hmm.
05:50 <Cepheid> Making the data serializable "solved" the problem.
05:51 * Cepheid writes a serializable Integer wrapper.
05:52 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2QJ6gV2XGo Where the hell did he get a Dark Star Bowser plushie!?
05:52 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
05:56 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about In the Final (Dark Star Core) (Mario \u0026 Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story) - GaMetal Remix (2018)
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05:58 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ConfusionRift
05:58 * Schism boops ConfusionRift. "The adventure begins here!"
05:59 <ConfusionRift> Huzzah, adventure! (walks, falls in a pit, dies)
05:59 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony. (waves)
06:00 * Cepheid screams, sighs. "Serializing doesn't work. For whatever reason, MonoDevelop is broken. Seems to handle strings just fine, so I'll convert the integer to a string, perform the operation, then convert back to integer.
06:00 <Schism> ConfusionRift: CATBALL! *shakes fist*
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06:01 * DashedRainbows licks ConfusionRift Schism
06:02 * ConfusionRift boops DashedRainbows, Schism, and Cepheid. :P
06:02 <ConfusionRift> Triple kill!
06:03 <Cepheid> !link https://youtu.be/IQGoRqrRY1k ... Man, this guy has done a lot of remixes.
06:03 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
06:03 <Cepheid> ... Oh. OH.
06:03 <Cepheid> Schism.
06:03 <Cepheid> !link https://youtu.be/KJJH8ltWiMo
06:03 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
06:03 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about M.R. (Rabi-Ribi) - GaMetal Remix
06:03 * ConfusionRift slowly nods. :)
06:04 * DashedRainbows barks
06:04 <ConfusionRift> Oddly enough, he included the tempo increase on her pinch state.
06:05 <Cepheid> Heh.
06:05 <Cepheid> Oh, he also did a remix of Nuclear Fusion.
06:05 <ConfusionRift> Yep.
06:05 * Cepheid hopes that in the next dungeon of Genso Wanderer, that the boss uses Nuclear Fusion, since it appears the next "boss" of the storyline is Okuu.
06:05 * DashedRainbows rolls over
06:06 * ConfusionRift pets DashedRainbows.
06:07 <Schism> Definitely a superb remix of M.R. o3o
06:07 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Vs. Nightmare (Kirby's Adventure) - GaMetal Remix
06:07 * DashedRainbows falls asleep upside down
06:07 <ConfusionRift> Excuse me? Excuse?!?! He remixed the theme song of Courtney Gears! (laughs hysterically)
06:07 * Schism listens to his C.R.O.W.N.E.D. remix.
06:07 <Cepheid> Heh.
06:07 <Schism> Er, C-R-O-W-N-E-D. Eh, either way.
06:07 <ConfusionRift> Oh that one is good too.
06:08 <DashedRainbows> Good night horses
06:09 <Cepheid> One of these days, I really should get back into drawing stuff. In particular, I want to draw the pride-and-joy of my OC.
06:09 <ConfusionRift> Have a good one. :P
06:11 <Schism> And of course GaMetal has a Save the World remix.
06:13 <Schism> But yeah, 'Rifty, La-Mulana 2 is out now.
06:15 <ConfusionRift> Ooooh. Nice. :P
06:18 <ConfusionRift> Can't buy anything at the moment.
06:22 <Schism> ... *snrk* How to make your own Creepypasta. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab9vw_QercM
06:24 <Cepheid> Heh.
06:26 <Cepheid> And people comment that older console games have less bugs than modern ones.
06:27 <Schism> Clearly, none of them have ever played Action 52.
06:28 <ConfusionRift> There's a difference between bugs by mistake, and bugs by design. :P
06:29 <Schism> The math holds up in that more complex games have more room for bugs to creep in, but then modern QA testing is a bit more severe... usually.
06:29 <ConfusionRift> And I kinda agree with them in a way.
06:29 <Schism> Doesn't help that these days, developers think they can release day-0 patches and get away with it.
06:30 <Cepheid> Arguably, the day-0 patch has a benefit to it.
06:30 <Cepheid> There is a point where development is usually stopped to start producing final release copies, etc.
06:31 <Cepheid> However, bugs can creep in even *AFTER* that point.
06:31 <Cepheid> Rather than sit around twiddling our thumbs until the actual release day, it's better to keep working on the product.
06:31 <ConfusionRift> Older games were more simple in design and function, which led to fewer bugs to work with. Now, the major bugs that occurred in said games were terrible. From game breaking, to even data corrupting.
06:32 <Schism> I know, I know. There's a reason there were like 12 different versions of FFVI on the SNES. (And some of them introduced more bugs.) https://tcrf.net/Final_Fantasy_VI/Revisional_Differences
06:32 <Cepheid> Bugs in older games had similar problems, ConfusionRift.
06:32 <Cepheid> It's not explicitly restricted to modern games.
06:33 <Schism> No, he said those older games had those breaking bugs.
06:33 <ConfusionRift> I was referring to older games.
06:33 <Cepheid> Oh, I misread.
06:33 <Schism> Here's looking at you, Sketch!
06:33 <Cepheid> About the only thing I don't agree with is forced updates.
06:34 <Cepheid> But in a sense, those existed even in earlier PC games.
06:34 <Cepheid> Want to play Doom with your buddies? Nope, gotta all be at the same version to play.
06:35 <ConfusionRift> Fun fact: DK64 didn't really need the memory expansion to work. However, they did find bug of sorts that only occurred while running without it. They couldn't find a solution, and were never able to fix this issue. So they decided to ship all copies with the expansion included, which was a very expensive resolve.
06:36 <Schism> At least the expansion pack really shone when it came to Majora's Mask.
06:36 <Schism> Buuut yeah. Talk about a ridiculous fix.
06:36 <ConfusionRift> Yep.
06:39 <Cepheid> That implies there was a memory access out of the bounds of the system memory, but within the bounds of system memory + expansion pack memory.
06:40 <Cepheid> What kind of access, hard to say. If it's a write/read, then it'd PROBABLY be fine. If it was just a read, then there exists the potential for garbage data being used somewhere.
06:46 <ConfusionRift> Here's the thing, it wasn't a consistent issue. It would just randomly freeze, hence why it proved difficult to find and solve.
06:49 <ConfusionRift> Normally, even with memory issues, it's known to have some consistency because there are certain points when the game's memory saturates. Like, slowdowns when doing a panoramic sweep with the camera's view. In such points, games tend to render more objects while removing some out of view, so read/write is more frequent.
06:50 <ConfusionRift> In this case, you could be doing anything, and the game just decides to freeze.
06:50 <Cepheid> Memory allocation/usage issues can crop up at any given time, due to memory fragmentation.
06:50 <Schism> Some sort of race issue with garbage collection?
06:50 <ConfusionRift> True.
06:51 <Cepheid> Not necessarily.
06:51 <Schism> Well, as a hypothetical possibility.
06:51 <Schism> Meh, I'm tired tho.
06:51 <Cepheid> Fragmentation of memory is similar to how fragmentation of files on a drive works. Basically, as you allocate and de-allocate memory, smaller and smaller chunks of available memory will be left behind.
06:52 <Cepheid> Eventually, you will reach a point where, even though you have enough free memory available to allocate say, a 4kB chunk of memory, it'll fail.
06:52 <Cepheid> Because the largest chunk that is free in memory may only be 1kB.
06:52 <ConfusionRift> The other problem was, as far as I know, console games at that point were debugged by console. So if the game freezes, all functions would halt, making it harder to spot.
06:52 <Cepheid> Games are still debugged by console.
06:52 <Cepheid> On consoles, anyways.
06:53 <Cepheid> You think Sony, Nintendo and the like would actually implement an emulator for their consoles for developers to test with?
06:53 <Schism> It is devoutly wished.
06:54 <Cepheid> Unfortunately, that's not the case. As far as I understand it, you do an initial transfer of all the resources to a devkit console, then transmit the application to it and execute the application.
06:54 <Cepheid> Further tests involve simply rebuilding and transmitting the code to the devkit.
06:54 <Schism> Trick, tho, is that consoles often use such a specific variety of hardware, oftentimes proprietary (I'm looking at you, of course, Nintendo), that VMs of that nature wouldn't really work anyway.
06:55 <Cepheid> Sony's also known for proprietary setups.
06:55 <Cepheid> Look at the Cell processor of the PS3.
06:55 <Schism> Good point.
06:55 <Cepheid> The problem with console development is that in order to achieve the performance they get with the hardware available to them, is that they need to use highly customized setups.
06:55 <Schism> Well, TBF it's more like Microsoft was the only console manufacturer to not use primarily proprietary hardware.
06:55 <Cepheid> Components are integrated in ways that they normally wouldn't be.
06:55 <ConfusionRift> Nothing beats the hassle that was the N64... sorry, IS.
06:56 <Schism> And yeup...
06:56 <Cepheid> Like an x86_64 processor having direct access to GDDR5 memory instead of typical DDR3/DDR4 memory.
06:56 <Schism> ConfusionRift: I think Ted Woolsey might take exception to that.
06:56 <Cepheid> That is a setup you will *NEVER* see in PCs.
06:56 <Cepheid> GDDR memory is designed for graphics processing, not general-purpose stuff. Changes how software development is done, even if the CPU is an Intel-compatible chip.
06:57 <ConfusionRift> Schism: It's still a difficult system to replicate and emulate.
06:58 <Cepheid> Same with the gamecube, wii, wii U, etc, etc, etc.
06:58 <Cepheid> If anything, the simplest devices to emulate have been their handhelds.
06:58 <Cepheid> GB, GBA, DS, 3DS, and so on.
06:59 <Cepheid> I'm not so sure about the Switch. It's still an ARM system, but it's a customized ARM system created by nVidia. You could probably get away with "emulating" a Switch on a Tegra X1, but..
07:00 <Cepheid> No one's gonna go out and buy a Tegra X1 devkit just for that. ANd it's a stupid idea.
07:00 <Schism> I'm given to understand that the N64 also remains a fun time because many of the games had specific chips, co-processors et al. inside the cartridges themselves. There wasn't as wide an array of options for the SNES, or for that matter the NES.
07:01 <Cepheid> Admittedly, that is the benefit of the cartridge era.
07:01 * ConfusionRift nods.
07:01 <Cepheid> You could install extra chips into the cartridges to achieve certain effects not viable upon the base hardware.
07:01 <Cepheid> Nowadays, you'd need like, a docking system or something similar to achieve the same effect.
07:02 <Cepheid> But who would come up with something like that?
07:02 <ConfusionRift> Unfortunately, what's done is done. Not like you could revise a cartridge that's already released.
07:02 <Schism> Oh, it was certainly a good thing for developers of the time, just makes it so that instead of emulating a single system and the hardware inside (or multiple similar revisions, like the SCPH7xxx library), you would need to emulate those chips as well.
07:02 * ConfusionRift looks at the SD2SNES. "But that's different!"
07:03 <Schism> Same root cause for why it took so long.
07:03 <Cepheid> I wonder if Nintendo designed the Switch with the dock as it was for the sole purpose of providing "upgrade hardware" at a later date.
07:03 <Cepheid> Slot the Switch into a dock with some extra hardware for stuff like better rendering, etc.
07:04 <Cepheid> Delegate the Switch Tegra X1 to background duty stuff.
07:04 * Schism takes out an old console which has a lovely touchpad keyboard and two one-button 'mice', and a robot on-screen which almost but isn't quite like a R.O.B.
07:04 * Schism then inserts one or two expansion games for it.
07:04 <Cepheid> I was thinking more "A dock with super-powered hardware for rendering at 4k."
07:05 <ConfusionRift> Then again, the Wii U had a docking charger as well. My guess is they would rather have the console docked instead of having it in the open with a wire on the floor for someone to trip on.
07:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Newbie Artist Training Grounds VIII: Day 9 [ http://tinyurl.com/ya5q6sua ]
07:05 <Schism> Oh, I know what you meant, I was just musing over the past.
07:05 <RazorSharpFang> Has anyone here played Octopath traveller?
07:05 * Schism points at Cepheid.
07:05 <Cepheid> I have it, I'm still working on it.
07:05 * ConfusionRift points at Cepheid as well.
07:05 <RazorSharpFang> Would you say it's worth its opening price?
07:05 <Cepheid> YEs.
07:06 <Cepheid> It starts off slow, depending on what you want to do, but it picks up.
07:06 <RazorSharpFang> Is it a classic JRPG?
07:06 <Cepheid> If you mean turn-based style, then yes.
07:06 <Cepheid> None of this fancy-smancy ATB system.
07:07 <Cepheid> And the art style is definitely reminiscent of Romancing SaGa, and other games of that era.
07:07 <RazorSharpFang> Random encounters?
07:07 <Cepheid> Yes.
07:07 <RazorSharpFang> Extremely high offense to defense ratios?
07:07 <Cepheid> That's a bit different. The game definitely encourages abusing weaknesses.
07:08 <Cepheid> So much so that in combat, you'll have a horizontal "list" of squares underneath each enemy. Initially they all start off as "?"
07:08 <Cepheid> If you hit a weakness, it records the weakness for later reminder.
07:08 <Cepheid> While you can brute-force your way, it's in your interest to hit weaknesses.
07:09 <Cepheid> After a certain number of weakness strikes(Denoted by a number in a shield to the left of the weakness list), the enemy enters a Break state. It causes them to lose a turn, and reduces their defensive stats dramatically.
07:09 <Cepheid> Like, the difference between doing ~150 damage, to ~500.
07:09 <RazorSharpFang> Do all entities get a turn per turn?
07:09 <Cepheid> Yes, all characters get one turn per round of battle.
07:09 <Cepheid> And it's visible as to who will go next.
07:10 <RazorSharpFang> What predicates who gets turn order?
07:10 <Cepheid> Speed stat, I believe. Don't hold me to that though, I haven't experimented.
07:10 <Cepheid> There may be some variance to it, too.
07:11 <Cepheid> Overall, it seems to be a mixture of a speed stat, plus whatever attack you last used, for determining the order in the next round.
07:11 <Cepheid> But hey, you get to beat up random townspeople all you want.
07:12 <Cepheid> The Warrior and the Hunter characters have a "Challenge" ability that allows you to challenge townspeople to duels.
07:12 <Cepheid> You lose, not much happens other than your HP being reduced to 0.
07:12 <Cepheid> Er, 1*
07:13 <Cepheid> You win? Mostly just a comment from the character, and seeing them laying on the ground with stars going around their head. Some quests encourage you to beat someone up to progress the quest.
07:14 <Schism> Wanna bet the weapons and armor you use also influence initiative?
07:15 <Cepheid> Given that such equipment raises or lowers speed, that's a given.
07:16 <Cepheid> The problem with weaponclass doing that though is... tricky.
07:16 <Cepheid> You can equip multiple weapons.
07:16 <Schism> Ah, alright. I'd thought that, as it's a Squeenix game, it'd be a hidden stat you'd have to puzzle out on your own through relentless experimentation.
07:16 <Cepheid> You can, for example, have a dagger, axe, and a staff equipped all at once. You switch between them before using a physical attack.
07:17 <Cepheid> So if initiative is dependent on weapon, it becomes the question of "which weapon?"
07:18 <Schism> Do you queue everyone's actions at start of turn?
07:19 <Cepheid> No, it's "character's turn pops up. select action, it's performed immediately."
07:22 <Cepheid> One thing about the game that shocked me, though.
07:23 <Cepheid> If you set the Switch OS language to another language, including Japanese, the game will play in that language for all the text.
07:23 <Cepheid> I'm not sure if it's specific to the game, or if it's a new OS feature, because the only other game I have that does that is Touhou Genso Wanderer.
07:24 <Cepheid> I tried Xenoblade 2, with no luck. It still used English text.
07:33 <Cepheid> Also released today: Chasm.
07:39 <ConfusionRift> 0_0;
07:40 <ConfusionRift> Darn it!
07:40 <Cepheid> Hmm?
07:40 * ConfusionRift adds to wishlist.
07:40 <Cepheid> I have it already because I paid for it back in, oh...
07:40 <Cepheid> 2014, I think?
07:41 <RazorSharpFang> Lmao, just got a call from Alinta energy regarding the installment of Solar Panels. I don't own a house to install them on. :P
07:42 <Cepheid> Install them on your pets!
07:42 * Cepheid installs solar panel samurai armour on his cat.
07:42 <Schism> Oh yeah, RSF. Malcolm Turnbull ate a pie... with a fork and knife.
07:43 <RazorSharpFang> Okay, but I do that.
07:43 <Schism> Well, you're both evil then. :P
07:43 <RazorSharpFang> :clap:
07:43 * Schism jokes, of course. One eats a pie as one desires.
07:43 * Cepheid eats pizza with a knife and fork.
07:43 * Schism gasps in horror.
07:43 <Schism> You probably stack your slices, too, don't you.
07:43 <Cepheid> No.
07:44 <Cepheid> Truth told, I only do it with reheated pizza.
07:44 <RazorSharpFang> Cut a pizza into 8 slices, stack them all into a single stack, eat the stack like a triangular burger.
07:44 <Cepheid> Or particularly messy pizzas. *Coughs* Anything with lots of cheese *Coughs*
07:44 <Cepheid> You mean like that monstrosity that Boston Pizza(A Canadian place, ironically), serves?
07:44 * Schism anyhoos. Pokes at La*Mulana for a bit. The remake of the first game, that is.
07:45 <Cepheid> Oh, I guess they don't serve it anymore.
07:45 <Cepheid> They had this one item, it was basically like, six or seven pizzas stacked atop one another.
08:15 <Cepheid> .. You know, I just noticed something.
08:16 <Cepheid> My schedule is set up perfectly to be doing TAing.
08:22 <RazorSharpFang> You tweeted about TAing, right?
08:24 <Schism> Alright, game. I've gotten some more weights. Now lemme get enough gold for the freakin' GLYPH READER.
08:24 <Cepheid> Basically, my name was put forward for a TA position.
08:25 <Cepheid> They want me to TA for Fundamentals of Web Applications.
08:25 <Cepheid> I'm guessing not enough people signed up to TA the course, and I know why.
08:25 <RazorSharpFang> So, client-server arch, HTTP request/response headers, eh?
08:26 <Cepheid> Some of that, yes. Mostly it's just JavaScript programming, with a bit of databases and some Node.js and a few frameworks.
08:26 <RazorSharpFang> Node.js, eh... I don't like how all of the APIs are async.
08:26 <RazorSharpFang> Causes spaghetti code.
08:27 <Cepheid> That's not specific to Node.js.
08:27 <Cepheid> Browser implementations are also async.
08:27 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, it's Javascript.
08:28 <RazorSharpFang> I'm just not a fan of Javascript's approach.
08:30 <Cepheid> I'm not fond of it either. In fact, a majority of the students hated the course because of JavaScript. And the project.
08:31 <Cepheid> I hear a lot of complaints about the course for various reasons. People simply do not like it, and don't want to take it, but it's required.
08:31 <RazorSharpFang> I'd say the Async stuff only makes sense in the context of the browser.
08:31 <Cepheid> Eh, it kind of makes sense on the Node.js side as well.
08:31 <Cepheid> You don't want to lock up the main thread doing work.
08:32 <Cepheid> So you make an asynchronous call to a function, with some sort of callback set for when it's done.
08:32 <RazorSharpFang> Right, but ALL of ALL of the functions are async.
08:32 <Cepheid> There are synchronous variants.
08:32 <Cepheid> Last I checked, anyways.
08:33 <RazorSharpFang> I found a lot of things that would ordinarily be easier in a synchronous style to be spaghetti-code in Node.
08:33 <Cepheid> But yeah, in general, asynchronous programming is a pain in the rear.
08:33 <Cepheid> But in many places, it's needed.
08:33 <Cepheid> You're likely to experience it a lot in GUI-based applications.
08:34 <RazorSharpFang> Async methods for the server handlings make sense, because you're dealing with networkings, which come and go whenever. But if I have a set of things to do in-order, async methods are a pain.
08:34 <Cepheid> Usually the front-facing GUI is ran on one thread, often called the Main or Render Thread. In order to keep it "snappy" you use concurrency to perform tasks in the background.
08:35 <RazorSharpFang> Like I said, Async methods make sense in the browser, as for all GUIs, and network operations. For everything, it's a pain.
08:36 <Cepheid> It continues to get worse, these days.
08:37 <Cepheid> Asynchronous operations are so prevalent in various applications, there are entire subsystems, keywords and APIs designed for it.
08:37 <RazorSharpFang> While I was using node, I kept thinking "This would be so much easier using Python"
08:37 <Cepheid> Simplest one is the concept of coroutines. Next up you got asynchronous calls. Next up you got threads.
08:37 <RazorSharpFang> I've found Async in C# to be much more pleasant in comparison.
08:38 <Cepheid> I think the absolute worst form of async is... callback hell.
08:43 <RazorSharpFang> I think every node.js project I've worked on entered callback hell.
08:44 <Cepheid> In any case, I'm TAing for the class because I'm pretty sure I know who requested me, and I hold too much respect for them.
08:44 <Cepheid> Though they could do with a proofreader or five.
08:46 <Cepheid> Ow.
08:46 <Cepheid> I have had my head angled down for so long that straightening it out hurt.
08:50 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/5M3nAPE.gifv
08:53 <ConfusionRift> "Whoa! The world looks so different from this angle!"
08:54 <Schism> ... when you realize that you need to READ a grail shrine in order to warp to it...
08:55 <ConfusionRift> Yep, Majora's Mask for ya.
08:56 <ConfusionRift> [When you suddenly remember that this game has no auto-save and you lost 6 hours of progress.]
08:56 <Schism> Thankfully, not quite that bad.
08:57 <Schism> But now I've gotta go back down into the Mausoleum of the Giants and nom on that warp point.
09:01 * Cepheid wanders off to get ready for bed.
09:01 * ConfusionRift should do the same... soon-ish.
09:06 * Schism gets that first ankh stone.
09:12 * Cepheid returns. Noms on cereal.
09:18 <Cepheid> Oh gods.
09:18 <Cepheid> Here Tizzy goes with her meowing downstairs.
09:18 * Cepheid orders Tizzy to keep meowing.
09:18 * Ali meows at Cepheid
09:18 <ConfusionRift> ...so much for sleeping...
09:18 <Cepheid> Not an issue for me.
09:18 <Cepheid> It's an issue for my dad though.
09:19 <Cepheid> He likes extremely cold environs, so during the summer he sleeps downstairs on the first floor.
09:19 <Schism> Hm. Do I want to fight Amphisbaena at 64 HP, or do I want to explore the heck out of the Mausoleum first?
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09:19 <Cepheid> What game?
09:20 <Schism> La-Mulana. 64 HP is what you have after precisely one Life Crystal.
09:20 <Cepheid> Ah.
09:20 <Cepheid> I actually haven't played that game. Watched an LP of it though.
09:20 <Cepheid> Didn't get any of the story, though.
09:21 <Schism> Adventurer archaeologist goes into an ancient ruin in search of fabled treasure, winds up discovering the old civilizations are a bit more involved than expected, nearly dooms world.
09:21 <Schism> That's the bare basics, I won't really spoil more. :S Anyway, this is the first boss players usually find.
09:22 <Cepheid> I'm familiar with the bare basics.
09:22 <Cepheid> I also understand that the whole temple is basically a non-euclidean monster.
09:24 <Cepheid> When I design and implement a game with an inventory system such that you can place items in your inventory into other containers, and then place those containers..
09:25 <Cepheid> I'm making it so that the barrel-within-a-barrel scenario has an interesting effect other than blinking stuff out of existence or crashing the game.
09:26 <Schism> Catball!
09:26 <Cepheid> You'll need to be more specific.
09:26 <Schism> There's a cat-onna-ball enemy in the gam.e
09:26 <Schism> game.* It tends to be frustrating to work around, like everything else in the game.
09:26 <Cepheid> Heh.
09:28 <Cepheid> Barrel-within-barrel mechanic: For each similar container that you place within one another, the capacity of that container gets smaller. So for example, you place a 3x3 item box inside a 3x3 item box. The box inside now has a capacity of 2x2. Place a 3x3 box in that 2x2 container, the box inside the 2x2 container has a capacity of 1x1.
09:28 <Cepheid> And container-within-itself? YASD.
09:28 <Cepheid> Or any such similar cycle.
09:30 <Cepheid> Alternatively, it's a YASD, but you get a warning beforehand.
09:30 <Cepheid> You attempt it, and the Deity of Logic puffs into existence and gives you a stern warning not to do it. Follow by popping out of existence.
09:31 <Cepheid> And between popping in and popping out is exactly one turn, giving you a chance to attack said deity and start a battle to commit deicide.
09:39 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAIGb1lfpBw This never gets boring.
09:39 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about みっちりねこマーチ - MitchiriNeko March - Cute cat characters in a marching band!
09:47 <ConfusionRift> Ooooh, so this is where it came from!
09:48 <Schism> Indeed!
09:48 * Schism also peers at this. "Thou'rt forbidden from laying eyes upon this stone again." He considers looking at it again.
09:49 * ConfusionRift explodes.
09:49 * ConfusionRift later respawns.
09:50 <Schism> ConfusionRift, heh, remember that rock?
09:52 <ConfusionRift> Sounds familiar.
09:52 <Schism> In the Mausoleum of the Giants, there's a stone tablet which says exactly that when you look at it the first time. If you look at it again, it admonishes you... and then activates Hard Mode.
09:54 <Schism> I hope they did something similar in the sequel. :S
09:55 <Cepheid> They most likely did.
09:56 <Schism> Cepheid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VIllAilTnE
09:56 <ConfusionRift> Pull off a Banjo Kazooie and delete the save file. "We warned ya!"
09:56 <Cepheid> There's also a Porg version, Schism.
09:57 <Schism> I am surprised. Wait, no I'm not.
09:57 <ConfusionRift> I saw this pony one first, and was looking for the original like crazy.
09:57 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHfmFhOSAfg
09:57 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
10:01 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Cute Porg Parade - ポルギュパレード (MitchiriNeko March Star Wars Animation)
10:01 <Cepheid> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1oifZFfs5E It also got it's own little short episode series.
10:14 <Cepheid> ... One of the many Mitchiri Neko cats is a cat by the name of Milk, who is... inexplicably living inside a BOTTLE.
10:16 <Cepheid> And of course, a cat by the name of Long Guy, who stretches out when you pick him up.
10:25 <ConfusionRift> Sleep time!
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11:19 <Cepheid> The cats appear to be conversing. They are spread out on the floor facing reach other and I hear a back-and-forth mrr-ing going on.
11:20 <OctaveSymphony> And then one whapps the other and the chase begins
11:21 <Cepheid> Basically yeah. That is how this will end.
11:26 <Finwe> Good afternoon, everypony!
11:26 <Finwe> Mr Cepheid, Miss OctaveSymphony.
11:26 * Finwe doffs his hat.
11:28 <Finwe> Oh, and Mr Schism as well.
11:28 * Finwe re-doffs his hat.
11:28 <OctaveSymphony> flargh
11:28 <Finwe> Blargle.
11:30 * Finwe hats on OctaveSymphony.
11:30 <OctaveSymphony> I wants the new Black Coach model.
11:34 <Finwe> Time to fetch my bicycle from service.
11:34 <Finwe> See you later, everypony!
11:34 * Finwe flies off.
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11:48 <OctaveSymphony> Watching UK road rage videos, and everyone is driving on the wrong side of the road!
12:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: New Pinkie Pie MLP Baking Book Set to Release Next Year [ http://tinyurl.com/ycqymlbm ]
13:28 <Cepheid> Insomniaaaaa
13:29 * OctaveSymphony whaps Cepheid
13:29 <OctaveSymphony> Did that help?
13:30 <Cepheid> No. It only made me want to stab you.
13:33 <OctaveSymphony> Ohh, please
13:36 * Cepheid stabs OctaveSymphony with a dull plastic knife.
13:36 <OctaveSymphony> Awww
13:36 <OctaveSymphony> Way to raise my hopes
13:38 <Cepheid> I don't commit murder. Just vaguely annoying incidents.
13:42 <Cepheid> Spitfire, you are the worst hunter ever. He just sat there and stared at an ant for a good minute and watched it get away.
13:51 <RazorSharpFang> You're presuming that the cat wanted to hunt it.
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13:57 <Cepheid> I've seen him eat flies. He eats insects and bugs.
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15:11 <Thelema5> Hello everypony
15:32 <Cepheid> Morning.
15:40 <Cepheid> ... Is it really 11:40 AM?
15:41 <Schism> I know, right?
15:41 <Schism> When it's really warm: https://twitter.com/LeftistScumbag/status/1024122915091083266
15:43 <Cepheid> Heh.
15:44 <Cepheid> Our cats don't understand the concept of cold-generating devices. They just bear the weather.
15:44 <Cepheid> That said, they do have a fondness of laying up against the fans we use. On the wrong side.
15:49 <Cepheid> Basically, they just lay up next to the base of the fan, or they do some weird thing where they cover the base with a leg, as if protecting it.
16:01 <Cepheid> "Why are places in science fiction not wheelchair-accessible?" The obvious answer would be, if it's sci-fi and in the future, is that "We've cured all possible diseases that can paralyze a person" and "We also know how to fix the spine of a paralyzed person now."
16:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Daughter of Discord Prequel: "Heartless" Preview [ http://tinyurl.com/y7cop852 ]
16:18 <Cepheid> Right, time to try for bed once more.
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16:25 <Schism> Cepheid: Well, at least it's actually not bad weather-wise today.
16:26 <Schism> 27, at lesat. Humidity's kinda high, but not very.
16:30 <Cepheid> Indeed.
16:31 <Cepheid> I suspect the sleeplessness has to do with having slept for 18 freaking hours straight yesterday.
16:31 <Cepheid> Now I know what it is like to live like a cat for one day.
16:39 * Filly_Nightmares curls up on Schism for rubs
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17:01 * Schism hops out of the shower, right in time for the rice to finish cooking. Delicious, warm, tasty rice.
17:03 * ADragonDreaming adds garlic salt.
17:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: BronyCon's Final Event - A Letter from Convention Chairs Sheva Goldberg and Eliana Summers [ http://tinyurl.com/ybkck3e3 ]
17:13 * Schism adds some sriracha too.
17:24 * Filly_Nightmares noms Schism's food
17:25 * Schism has plenty of leftover rice! Fries it up wif eggs and serves to Filly_Nightmares.
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18:28 <Thelema5> I keep getting emails from the freelance copywriting company I used to work with, bugging me to rejoin the platform. They must be getting desperate
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21:29 <Schism> Hmm. Lava pools are hot. Who knew that the Inferno Cavern might be an uncomfortably warm locale?
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23:49 <Snapai> ....hawt
23:49 <Schism> Mebbe. o3o
23:49 <Snapai> Could be vawt, too.
23:49 <Snapai> Read an article on active listening. I think most people practicing it are doing it wrong.
23:50 <Schism> Howso?
23:50 * Schism also provides the Snapai with small flakes of plutonium.
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23:51 <Snapai> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktvTqknDobU
23:51 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Imagine Dragons - Radioactive
23:51 <Schism> I was thinking more of a British meal.
23:51 <Snapai> idk then
23:51 <Schism> Fission chips.
23:52 <Snapai> Schism - because everyone I've heard talk about active listening is all, worry about your posture, make eye contact with the person, repeat what they say, all sorts of focus on what you're doing.
23:52 <Snapai> oh pft
23:52 <Schism> Active listening of that nature can also be described as mirror-matching.
23:53 <Snapai> But the article says what's important is making an effort to understand what the person is saying, free of your own biases, and without trying to manipulate
23:53 <Snapai> Much closer to *how I study books* - assuming imperfect communication and attempting to figure out what the author was trying to convey.
23:54 <Snapai> All the "smile, have a good posture, etc" is just to keep in mind how your own behavior may distract a live speaker from communicating effectively.
23:55 <Snapai> IE, it doesn't matter if you're capable of listening while checking your phone, it comes off as being distracted. Try to counteract Resting B[uffalo] Face by making a conscious effort to smile slightly when listening, etc.
23:56 <Snapai> (What brought me to the "active listening" articles is that I was looking up articles on making others feel good and there is a LOT of overlap in the advice)
23:56 <Cepheid> I'd make eye contact more if I didn't need to read lips.
23:57 <Cepheid> Apparently doing so is unnerving.
23:57 * Schism noddles! "That's kinda where I come in, too -- where following the other person's body language also puts them more at ease."
23:57 <Snapai> Eye contact ruins my ability to listen somewhat, and can be read as aggression, so glancing at the person's expression occasionally while listening will have to do.
23:58 <Snapai> That's probably the sort of eye contact they mean anyways. Just occasionally make/break eye contact to make it clear you haven't completely drifted off.
23:59 <Snapai> Aaaaand the articles on "how to make people feel good/special/happy" spin off of reading about toxicity and toxic people.
23:59 <Cepheid> Mm.
23:59 <Cepheid> Yeah rule #1: don't read toxic *YAY*.
23:59 <Snapai> (incidentally, most of the articles about making people feel good mention this as "charisma" even though we usually think of a suave con artist or social butterfly when we hear that word)
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