Log archive of EquestriaDaily for Thursday, 2019-01-10

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00:25 <Finwe> Messrs LibrarianofHope and JonTheVGNerd.

00:25 * Finwe doffs his hat.

00:26 * Finwe hats on Ali.

00:27 <LibrarianofHope> sup

00:28 <LibrarianofHope> im in a wreck of a situation today

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00:50 <JonTheVGNerd> Something up?

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01:09 <PinkieShy> Hi :)

01:11 <DashedRainbows> sup

01:11 <PinkieShy> nm :3 hbu

01:13 <DashedRainbows> meh meh meh meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

01:13 <DashedRainbows> life is meh

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01:15 <Finwe> Is it now?

01:16 * DashedRainbows curtsies. Sir.

01:19 * DashedRainbows also licks Finwe

01:21 <PinkieShy> what

01:21 <PinkieShy> oh there we go..

01:21 <PinkieShy> I thought i lost connection again..

01:21 <DashedRainbows> oh noez

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01:36 <Thelema5> Hello everypony

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01:45 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto:  My Little Pony: Pocket Ponies Hits North American iTunes [ http://tinyurl.com/y89pcyll ]

01:47 * Thelema5 tastes of New Orleans style red beans and rice with Andouille sausage

01:47 <Thelema5> How's DashedRainbows tonight?

01:48 <DashedRainbows> meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

01:50 <DashedRainbows> how's the Thelema5 today?

01:52 <Thelema5> Meh. Ready for another vacation.

01:52 <DashedRainbows> lol yeah

01:53 <Thelema5> Today was just alot of work, and I'm tired

01:54 * DashedRainbows gives Thelema5 a pony ride instead

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02:01 <PinkieShy> Hiya :P

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02:05 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1675 [ http://tinyurl.com/y9uugh5m ]

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02:18 * DashedRainbows boops PinkieShy's connection

02:18 <PinkieShy> Called ISP :3

02:18 <DashedRainbows> yeah

02:18 <PinkieShy> They rebooted the router and got me to a 'more optimised server'

02:19 <DashedRainbows> can''t even irc is bad

02:19 <PinkieShy> told me if it continues they might need to get a tech out here to look at the line

02:19 <PinkieShy> at least the new router is reporting it to them unlike the old one :P

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03:21 * Thelema5 offers everypony some salad. It's nothing fancy, just a premade bagged thing from a grocery store. But there's some healthy dark leafy greens, and I've added croutons

03:25 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto:  My Little Pony: Pocket Ponies Hits North American iTunes [ http://tinyurl.com/y89pcyll ]

03:26 <Thelema5> In the interest of full disclosure, it also has some hamburger dill pickles in it. I know, weird. I'd never heard of it until it was served to me in some tiny italian place in Amish country. Ever since I tried it, I'm a convert.

03:32 <Thelema5> Those little acid bombs really brighten up the greens

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03:38 <DashedRainbows> hum

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03:40 <Thelema5> Salad pro tip: alway eat salad from a bowl, not a plate. It lets you really mix things up so the dressing is more evenly distributed, letting you use much less.

03:40 <Thelema5> Hi there, CocoPommel

03:40 <CocoPommel> Hey, nice to see you

03:40 <Thelema5> How've you been?

03:41 <CocoPommel> I've been ok ty, how about you?

03:41 <Thelema5> Meh. Surviving. Working a lot.

03:41 <CocoPommel> Yeah same here

03:43 * Thelema5 is watching salt fat acid heat

03:49 <Thelema5> I think I must enjoy eating too much

04:03 * DashedRainbows horses

04:15 * Thelema5 ponies

04:18 <Thelema5> I'm still hungry, WTH? I've been snacking all day, not sure why. I typically only eat once a day- so this is unusual.

04:18 <Thelema5> I've not been more active or anything

04:23 <ADragonDreaming> no, that makes sense.

04:23 <ADragonDreaming> eating once a day adjusts your metabolism to that

04:23 <ADragonDreaming> from what I know, it slows it down

04:24 <ADragonDreaming> eating throughout the day keeps it going, and grazing throughout the day is likely to keep your hunger active

04:25 <Thelema5> Yeah, but I've done that for a year+.  I'm pretty sedentary so I don't require a lot of calories

04:39 <ADragonDreaming> Yep! The grazer still winds up feeling peckish the whole day through.

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05:06 <Thelema5> I'm still here, becaue I can never fall asleep before 1:00 AM.  Sadly, my asshole cat wakes me up every day at 5-6:00. Which is less than ideal.

05:06 <Thelema5> So most of my days lately have be foggy hal-memories

05:06 <Thelema5> *been

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05:23 <CocoPommel> Yeah mine wake me up sometimes too

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07:33 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.

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07:41 <CocoPommel> Hi

07:41 * ConfusionRift waves.

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08:43 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift, Miss Ali, Mr CocoPommel.

08:43 <Finwe> o7

08:43 * Ali flops over Finwe

08:43 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)

08:43 <CocoPommel> Hi

08:45 * Finwe hats on Ali.

08:51 * Ali squeaks

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09:28 <RazorSharpFang> Hey hey

09:35 * Ali flops over RazorSharpFang

09:38 <RazorSharpFang> Ali, heads-up I'm leaving for a camp tomorrow. I'm gonna be relaxing and spending time with friends, but I won't have a computer with me.

09:39 <Ali> That's fine, I've got Failout 4.76 for entertainment for awhile

09:45 * Finwe empties Ali's Steam account.

09:46 <Ali> Joke's on you Finwe, 76 isn't on steam

09:58 <Finwe> It's perfectly simple, you won't need your Steam account because you're playing 4.76. o3o

09:58 * Finwe ruffles an Ali.

09:58 * Ali boops Finwe as that's her nickname for fallout 76

09:59 <Finwe> What, Finwe?

09:59 <Finwe> Sounds stylish.

10:02 * Ali bonks Finwe

10:02 <Ali> I call Fallout 76 Failout 4.76

10:02 <Ali> Cause it looks like Fallout 4 and plays like a minor upgrade

10:14 <Finwe> :3

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11:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1450 [ http://tinyurl.com/ydcs77uw ]

11:31 * Surreal_Nightmares snugglies into Finwe and goes sleepies on

11:31 <Surreal_Nightmares> Nini!

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11:36 * ConfusionRift patpats Sleeping_Nightmares asleep. "Have a good one."

11:41 <Finwe> Sweet dreams!

12:18 <Finwe> RazorSharpFang: Such happy campers.

13:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Comics: Opinion / Marshmallow / ES Find Yourself #270 / Carew Merder #2 [ http://tinyurl.com/y8ugaxo9 ]

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15:11 <Cepheid> My ears are burning from the cold.

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15:21 <RazorSharpFang> Hey Cepheid how you doing?

15:22 <RazorSharpFang> Must be cold in the Canadian winter.

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15:59 <DashedRainbows> Horses! Wassup!

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16:17 <Cepheid> Just a tad Razor.  And sorry, I could not talk on the busses.  They were crammed.

16:18 <RazorSharpFang> Fair. I'm leaving for a holiday down south, so I won't be online for a week.

16:18 <RazorSharpFang> Just wanted to let you know. :3

16:19 <Cepheid> Okie then.

16:19 <Cepheid> Meanwhile I got class in 10 minutes.

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17:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Equestria Girls Season 2, Episode 1 Discussion Will Go Up Tomorrow Morning [ http://tinyurl.com/yc9uurto ]

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18:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Music: Einarx - Guardian (Reprise) [Eastern Folk] [ http://tinyurl.com/yam84pk8 ]

18:23 <Cepheid> Back.

18:24 * DashedRainbows licks Cepheid

18:26 <Cepheid> How goes it?

18:27 <DashedRainbows> better, it sucks that I can't go out til July

18:27 <Cepheid> If it is any consolation, my mother is in the same boat.

18:28 <DashedRainbows> s/can't/shouldn't/

18:28 <DashedRainbows> that's rough

18:29 <DashedRainbows> what do you tell the donor's family?

18:29 <DashedRainbows> I'm trying to write a letter

18:31 <Cepheid> I haven't a damned clue.  My mother has a broken leg, not a broken organ, so no need for such a letter.

18:33 <DashedRainbows> I don't have to send one but I think I should and ouch

18:36 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.  It probably would be a nice gesture.  But you would have to be careful.  It is easy to say the wrong thing.

18:36 <RazorSharpFang> "I will have a part of you [redacted] "

18:37 <DashedRainbows> great example of what not to write

18:39 <Cepheid> "I have assimilated your [redacted].  I am coming for you next."

18:40 <DashedRainbows> the thing is they just had a family member die too so it complicates it

18:42 <Cepheid> Yeah.  I know.

18:42 <Cepheid> Got a psychologist or psychiatrist?  Next time you see them, ask for their thoughts.  They may know better than people like me who lack any sort of sensitivity.

18:43 <DashedRainbows> actually I see her today so I'll ask

18:45 <Cepheid> I don't know why I lack the ability to feel certain emotions, especially around specific situations. Wonder if I should ask my psych.

18:45 <RazorSharpFang> My sis thinks I have anxiety, or an anxiety-related disorder, which is disheartening.

18:46 <RazorSharpFang> She's got clinical depression, ADD, and an anxiety disorder, so she probably knows what she's talking about.

18:47 <Cepheid> Given what I have seen and heard about your and your studies, I am inclined to agree.  It is not disheartening though.  It is one of the more easily-treated issues.

18:47 <RazorSharpFang> As opposed to the likes of various trauma, or PTSD, etc.

18:47 <DashedRainbows> I'd ask. That's huh

18:48 <DashedRainbows> also it's not that hard to treat just meh

18:49 <DashedRainbows> some lyrica at first does wonders sadly in the US it's off-label for GAD

18:49 <Cepheid> Meanwhile I have anxiety, OCD, ADHD, Bipolar type 1, and anger management issues.

18:50 <DashedRainbows> me just MDD and SAD

18:50 <Cepheid> My brain is broken.  Or at least the part that regulates emotion and such.

18:51 <Cepheid> My school now recognizes me as permanently disabled.  OSAP actually gave me an extra 883 dollars.

18:51 <DashedRainbows> I used to have GAD but therapy helped a lot

18:52 <Cepheid> Right now my ADHD and bipolar are being treated.  My OCD is not.  The doctor wants me to manage that personally.

18:52 <RazorSharpFang> I don't know how any of this works.

18:53 <DashedRainbows> well the usual treatment is ssri but bipolar

18:54 <Cepheid> No, my doc specifically stated she wants me to manage it personally through willpower.

18:54 <RazorSharpFang> Is willpower even real?

18:54 <DashedRainbows> exactly since you can't take the meds

18:54 <Cepheid> Basically, to deal with it, I have to learn to become aware that my OCD is kicking in, and manage it somehow.  By perhaps forcing myself to do something else.

18:54 <DashedRainbows> they tend to induce mania

18:55 <Cepheid> So far it is so-so.  Starting one of the meds, I became OCD over La-Mulana.

18:56 <Cepheid> However, I am gaining awareness of the symptoms, problems associated with it, and I am managing it.

18:57 <Cepheid> La-Mulana 2 induced it again.  But after having a mental break over the weekend, I have begun to manage it.  I force myself to stop playing after 4 hours.  Usually I go off to read, or do design work.

18:58 <DashedRainbows> meanwhile I have the opposite problem where I don't want to do anything

18:58 <Cepheid> Anyways i am gonna pack up, grab one last snack, then wander off to lecture hall.  Back in a bit.

18:59 <DashedRainbows> between those and my physical ailments it's hard mode

19:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: My Little Pony Speedpaint Compilation #64 [ http://tinyurl.com/ybldbgru ]

19:07 <Cepheid> Back.

19:08 <RazorSharpFang> What would treatment for anxiety even look like

19:09 <Cepheid> Usually determining if it is anxiety in the first place, and what form.  For myself, an amphetamine is used.

19:25 <Cepheid> Tonight, i think I shall get started on the basics of the map editor I will need for my project.

19:31 <DashedRainbows> gabapentinoids are magic for anxiety before tolerance sets in

19:32 <Cepheid> Tolerance doesn't seem to be an issue for me.

19:33 <DashedRainbows> amphs for anxiety. how odd. I thought stimulants usually made anxiety worse

19:35 <Cepheid> No idea.  But i take an amphetamine to help me focus.  Apparently it is meant to help me focus despite the anxiety?  It outright silences anxiety for me though.

19:36 <DashedRainbows> focus yeah

19:36 <DashedRainbows> depressants ftw

19:36 <DashedRainbows> well for me

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20:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by ExplodingPonyToast: Electronic Music: Intersekt - A Twilight In Time [House] / CRUVOD - Tasty Chocolate Asteroids [Happy Hardcore] [ http://tinyurl.com/y74ca49j ]

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20:45 <LibrarianofHope> hoi

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20:51 * SunsetShimmer boops Ali

20:52 * Ali boops SunsetShimmer back

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20:53 * Ali is not cute

20:54 <LibrarianofHope> am i cute?

21:05 * Finwe noms on Ali.

21:05 <Finwe> Good evening, my small equines.

21:05 <Cepheid> Schism, obviously in a world editor for a sidescroller, it would be nice to get an overview.  Display a zoomed out view of the world and associated connections.

21:05 <Cepheid> However...

21:06 <Cepheid> How in the hell would I show any sort of non-euclidean connections?

21:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Commerical for My Little Pony: Pocket Ponies Released  [ http://tinyurl.com/yd8v5zmw ]

21:06 <Finwe> Messrs LibrarianofHope and Cepheid, Miss Ali.

21:06 * Finwe doffs his beret.

21:06 <Cepheid> Finwe.

21:06 <Finwe> Miss DashedRainbows.

21:06 * Finwe redoffs his beret.

21:10 <Cepheid> Off the top of my head, the best way to do an overview would be to space out all the rooms of the world, and then draw connecting lines between rooms.

21:11 <Cepheid> Because then non-euclidean connections can be drawn as a line going from room A to room B.

21:11 <Cepheid> Or from room A to room A but on the opposite side.

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21:15 <Schism|Nocturne> Hmmm.  Network glitch?

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21:17 <Cepheid> Apparently.

21:18 <Cepheid> Even my bouncer got booted.

21:18 * Ali is stable, must be a canadian thing

21:18 <Schism|Nocturne> Nah, otherwise CMX wouldn't have gotten booted; they're in Texas.

21:18 <Ali> They could just be derping normally :P

21:19 <Schism|Nocturne> Well, maybe.  I'd bet more of a general network glitch, though.  :P

21:20 * Cepheid tries to imagine non-euclidean world geometry. His head turns into a klein bottle.

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21:46 <Cepheid> Huh.  All rights of Destiny have been handed to Bungie.  Activision no longer owns any of it.

21:46 <Schism|Nocturne> hmmmm.  Now the question is, A. can they roll a saving throw well enough to get it back, and B. do they want it anymore?

21:49 <Cepheid> Dunno.  But presumably this would allow Bungie to expunge the stuff Activision demanded be put in for the sake of 'fun'.

21:49 <SunsetShimmer> I would say that bungie clearly desire it enough to get the rights back

21:49 <SunsetShimmer> so the next year for D2 will prove interesting for players

21:53 <Schism|Nocturne> Hm.  "A Story About My Uncle", a non-violent, swinging, platforming game, is free on Humble for the next while.

22:16 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: My Little Pony: Nightmare Nights #4 - Three Page iTunes Preview [ http://tinyurl.com/yc6ga3zw ]

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22:38 <Cepheid> Home at laaaaast~

22:44 <Cepheid> Schism|Nocturne, you're editing a room(A screen, 64x48 tiles.  Though I'm debating doing a 16:9 setup of 198x108.), you want to switch to another room.  How would you prefer to do this?

22:44 <Cepheid> I've a few ideas about it, but no idea which approach is most intuitive and useful.

22:45 <Cepheid> The basic approach is a drop-down list, listing all the rooms by an internal name given by the designer.

22:46 <Cepheid> Next up would be a side-view listing of all the rooms(Might be tricky, due to wanting to avoid clutter of the UI.), each with a thumbnail, and their internal name above/below the thumbnail.

22:47 <Cepheid> These approaches can be delegated to a dialog window, for the record.  Though I'd prefer to avoid that if I can.

22:48 * Finwe hats on Ali.

22:49 <Finwe> Almost home.

22:49 * Ali squeaks

22:49 <Cepheid> And finally, since the main view will support showing the current room, and the four adjacent rooms connected, if any, I'm debating a simple "switch to this adjacent room" function using a popup menu.

22:49 <Cepheid> Said popup menu can also follow any connections such as doorways in the currently viewed room.

22:50 <Finwe> It's snowing again.

22:50 <Finwe> o3o

22:50 <Cepheid> Yes, well, that happens during Winter in the colder regions of the world.

22:51 <Finwe> And sometimes even in the summer.

22:59 * Finwe throws a snowball at Cepheid.

23:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #2857 [ http://tinyurl.com/y9dldh8g ]

23:14 <Schism|Nocturne> Cepheid: I'd have an overlay of the sections of the room which lead to an adjacent room or area, said overlay being just a colour transparency which can be toggled at a button press.  You could also have a dropdown for other purposes, of course.

23:14 <Schism|Nocturne> Mousing over the transparent sections would tell you which room they lead to, and double-clicking could load up that room.

23:17 <Cepheid> Mmm, hold CTRL, ALT or something, it shows the overlay, and you click or double-click the relevant boxes to switch to that room.

23:18 <Ali> And hitting Alt F4 will reveal all the rooms! *shot*

23:19 <Schism|Nocturne> Well, I would suggest something more like a button at the top to reveal those overlaid elements.  I'm assuming that you want to be able to right-click an element in order to adjust its settings.

23:19 <Cepheid> True.

23:19 <Finwe> Ali: Type /disco for flashing lights in IRC.

23:20 <Schism|Nocturne> And /part for a party!

23:20 <Finwe> o3o!

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23:20 * Ali has been on IRC too long to fall for the part one

23:20 * Ali squeaks at DashedRainbows

23:21 <DashedRainbows> So cute

23:21 * Ali puffycheeks, not cute

23:21 <DashedRainbows> Even cuter

23:21 <Schism|Nocturne> Cephy: In particular I'm thinking of the Twin Labyrinths, where there are multiple room exits which can lead to entirely different ones - though that was more like a door-esque warp.

23:22 * Ali ish not cute!

23:22 * Finwe ruffles the cute unicorn.

23:22 <Finwe> o3o

23:24 <Cepheid> Schism|Nocturne:  Ah, right, those.  Yeah.

23:25 <Schism|Nocturne> Cephy: In regards to all that, are you also considering a thematic layout for 'areas', like La*Mulana, Metroid or the like?

23:25 <Cepheid> Of course.

23:26 <Cepheid> Right now though I'm just focusing on getting an editor going, 'cause without a proper editor, I can't do anything, not even create an engine.

23:27 <Cepheid> I'm gonna go for a text-based file format from the editor, that's compiled into a binary format.

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23:27 <Schism|Nocturne> Then why not create just a broadsheet-esque program, where you can add, remove, and adjust the /visual/ locations of the rooms to suit your needs?  That way you can have multiple copies of each room on that screen at once, and move them about for a better flow of how they connect.  Doubleclicking a room would then open it and let you edit it directly, but that visual layout wouldn't affect gameplay in the end.

23:28 <Cepheid> Hmm, that could work yeah.

23:29 <Schism|Nocturne> Admittedly, I'm working from a MUD- or Infocom-like design here, where rooms aren't connected in a necessarily logical fashion, but instead have actions which move the player from one point to the next.

23:29 <Cepheid> The trickiest aspect of it all will be the non-euclidean nature.

23:29 <Ali> bless you

23:29 <Cepheid> Rooms that cycle upon themselves, etc.

23:30 <Cepheid> Or, heavens forbid, areas that literally overlap.

23:30 <Cepheid> There's no easy way to represent such cases.

23:30 <Ali> Or pull a Zelda 1 or Mario 1 where the same room repeats itself until you figure out the puzzle to it.

23:30 <Schism|Nocturne> Mm.

23:31 <Schism|Nocturne> Ali: Heh, that was a part of La*Mulana in a few spots.

23:31 <Cepheid> Yep.

23:33 <Cepheid> Regarding loops like that, it'd be easy to do wherein on the world overview display, you have a line originating from one side of the room, curving around and pointing to the opposite side of the room.

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23:33 <Schism|Nocturne> Yup.

23:33 <Cepheid> Which is why I'm thinking a grid with spacing between all the rooms.

23:33 <Cepheid> Because that space between the rooms can be used to show connections.

23:34 <Schism|Nocturne> Definitely a thing, but a more freeform display might work better, especially if you overlap elements.

23:34 <Cepheid> Yeah.

23:34 <Schism|Nocturne> For the aforementioned frontside/backside thing, you could overlap them at 3/4s, so that it's evident those two are conjoined.

23:34 <Cepheid> So simple drag-and-drop rooms, with some sort of button on each side that you click, and then drag the mouse to one of the side buttons for another room.

23:35 <Cepheid> It'd create a connection in the direction specified from the origin room to the destination room.

23:35 <Cepheid> For doorways inside rooms, that's a bit trickier.

23:35 <Schism|Nocturne> Heh.  Of course, there are also other tricks you could play...

23:35 <Cepheid> That'd be where the idea of an overlay would work.

23:36 <Schism|Nocturne> For the frontside/backside thing, well... did you ever play Riven?

23:36 <Cepheid> I have, yes.  Though that was ages ago.

23:37 <Schism|Nocturne> Ah, well.  Do you remember that one room with two entrances, but it would rotate between five different rooms?  So in order to solve the puzzle, you'd have to keep rotating it over and over to solve each individual piece in turn?

23:37 <Cepheid> Yes.

23:37 <Schism|Nocturne> Because I'm evil, I'm imagining something like that in your game.

23:37 <Cepheid> As for how the editor will handle doorways, I'll render a translucent box over the doorway in the world overview.  Click that, drag to a target room or target doorway.

23:38 <Schism|Nocturne> That'd definitely work.

23:38 <Cepheid> I think I'll use the same translucent overlay for the edges too, instead of OS-specific buttons.

23:39 <Cepheid> Hmm.  Next scenario:  What to do about the rare case that I forget to connect an edge of the room that the player can reach?

23:39 <Cepheid> I'm thinking "just do nothing, as if there was a wall."

23:39 <Schism|Nocturne> Indeed.

23:39 <Cepheid> It's better than crashing or doing weird stuff.

23:39 <Schism|Nocturne> Maybe have a visual cue, like turn it purple.

23:40 <Cepheid> In the editor, yeah.

23:40 <Schism|Nocturne> Or debug mode, yea.

23:40 <Cepheid> Or even a warning in a log when saving.

23:41 <Finwe> I got a rather puzzling itinerary suggestion for the public transport this evening: https://users.aalto.fi/~vhalkola/Reittiopas.png

23:42 <Schism|Nocturne> That's quite the detour.

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23:43 <Schism|Nocturne> Ah.  Nevermind, I see the confusion.

23:43 <Finwe> Schism|Nocturne: Not only that, but the route optimisation algorithm suggests that I should wait 17 hours and 39 minutes one kilometre away from my home.

23:44 <Finwe> And almost five hours before starting.

23:44 <Schism|Nocturne> Easier than walking!

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23:44 <Finwe> Mr Thelema5.

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23:44 * Finwe doffs his itinerary suggestion.

23:46 <Finwe> I ended up choosing a combination of two buses that only took a bit over 40 minutes.

23:46 <Finwe> And I was home before 1 a.m.

23:47 <Finwe> Not 22.5 hours later.

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23:51 * Finwe doffs his itinerary suggestion.

23:51 <Finwe> I ended up choosing a combination of two buses that only took a bit over 40 minutes.

23:51 <Finwe> And I was home before 1 a.m.

23:51 <Finwe> Not 22.5 hours later.

23:51 <Schism> Whoops.

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