Log archive of EquestriaDaily for Sunday, 2019-02-03

00:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Discussion: Do You Consider "Brony" to be Furry?  [ http://tinyurl.com/yccct2s2 ]

00:06 <Cepheid> Basically the entire front of my face feels about ready to explode.

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00:07 <ADragonDreaming> oof

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00:18 <Cepheid> So gaming it is.

00:18 <PinkieShy> Switched my dog to all canned food dog food Thursday.

00:19 <Cepheid> My body is telling me to take it easy, so maybe I should listen.

00:19 <PinkieShy> The chihuahua with no teeth.. She seems to love the beef and gravy :3

00:20 <Cepheid> I'm also kind of concerned about the weird bubbling noise/sensation in my chest.

00:21 <Cepheid> Kill a bunch 'o vespoids?  Sure, why not.

00:23 <Schism> Cepheid: At some point we simply must play Hedgewars against one another.

00:24 <Schism> Bazookas and grenades only.  o3o

00:24 <Cepheid> Heh.

00:25 * Cepheid shoots down vespoids with extreme precision.

00:25 <Cepheid> Seriously, Mouse + Keyboard makes gunning SO GREAT.

00:26 <Schism> A common statement... actually, Cepheid, how about a round or two of Quake 3?

00:27 <Cepheid> I don't own it.

00:27 <Schism> Awr.

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00:33 * Cepheid wanders off to capture a Kula Ya-Ku

00:41 <Cepheid> Aaaand done~

00:44 <Cepheid> ... Oh, hey.  ADragonDreaming, you can enable shortcut keys for items.

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01:05 <Finwe> o3o

01:05 <Finwe> Good evening, everypony!

01:05 <Finwe> Messrs Cepheid, PinkieShy and Schism.

01:05 * Finwe doffs his hat.

01:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: My Little Pony Speedpaint Compilation #72 [ http://tinyurl.com/y8hdsodq ]

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01:15 <Samurai_Shippo> Evening

01:15 <Samurai_Shippo> Didn't hear the ding

01:18 <Cepheid> Evening.

01:18 <Samurai_Shippo> Evening,

01:24 <Samurai_Shippo> Place is quiet tonight.  I'll have to jump off in a minute to head home from where I'm at.  Not a far drive

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01:35 <Cepheid> So someone in Ontario is missing their "Mr Sexy" vanity license plates.

01:46 <Cepheid> Time for beds and readings.

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01:47 <Nedemai> Good evening~!

01:53 <Cepheid> Hey Nedemai.

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02:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1699 [ http://tinyurl.com/y7dlmz6a ]

02:29 * DerbyFloat pokes Pony_97455

02:32 * Stormspark is playing Luigi's Mansion

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03:11 * Cepheid sets alarm for 6 AM. Tomorrow, he starts work on breaking a habit of waking up at unusual times. Supposedly it takes about 30 days to form a habit, so let's see if he can manage 6 AM for 30 days.

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03:59 * Pony_97455 waves hello to everypony

03:59 <Pony_97455> Oh! I'm a pony!

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04:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Royal Guard Music: Black Electric - Guardians [Metal] [ http://tinyurl.com/y9z56vn5 ]

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04:23 * thelema5 giggles

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04:42 <DerbyFloat> how's the thelema5?

04:55 <Starlight_Glimmer> On the /lower/ side of things this morning? :P

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05:44 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.

05:50 * PinkieShy licks the Rift

05:51 * ConfusionRift pets PinkieShy. :P

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07:12 <Finwe> o3o

07:12 <Finwe> Good morning, everypony!

07:13 <Finwe> Messrs Starlight_Glimmer, PinkieShy and Schism, Miss DerbyFloat.

07:13 * Finwe doffs his hat.

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07:19 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)

07:21 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift.

07:21 <Finwe> o7

07:26 <Starlight_Glimmer> I'm playing the Resident Evil 2 remake

07:26 <Starlight_Glimmer> It's great!

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08:49 * Finwe irrepressibly hats on Ali.

08:49 * Ali squeaks

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08:53 <Finwe> o3o

08:54 * DerbyFloat chews on ConfusionRift's hooves

08:55 * DerbyFloat drools on Finwe

08:57 * ConfusionRift pets DerbyFloat. :P

08:57 * Finwe hugs a DerbyFloat.

09:00 * DerbyFloat smiles and babbles

09:02 <Finwe> Hmm, you need capers for fish grenobloise. o3o

09:03 <Finwe> Also, breadcrumbs.

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10:42 * Finwe noms on pollock grenobloise served with potato and broccoli mash.

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11:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1474 [ http://tinyurl.com/ydffjkkr ]

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11:31 * Finwe listens to the prelude to Act 1 of Lohengrin by Richard Wagner.

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11:39 * Schism wakes up. Listens to the Pedlar's Song from the opera Lohenshaak.

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11:42 <Finwe> How about the Barber of Pseudopolis?

11:42 <Finwe> Or Il Truccatore. o3o

11:43 <Schism> Cepheid: https://twitter.com/ASmallFiction/status/1091952818007662592

11:43 <Schism> Also quite excellent, Finwe.  o3o

11:44 <Schism> And The Enchanted Piccolo.

11:45 <Finwe> And the rather trivial La Triviata.

11:46 * Schism in particular listens to the song "Questa Maledetta Porta".

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11:48 <Finwe> Questa maledetta porta si blòcca comunque diàvolo lo faccio.

11:49 <Finwe> This accursed door is stuck regardless of what the devil I do to it.

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11:52 <Schism> "I thought it was all romantic and stuff!" "It was.  It is.  But..."

11:53 * Finwe offers some pollock à la grenobloise to Schism.

11:54 * Schism returns some honey and herbed romano-stuffed tortellini.

11:54 <Finwe> Served with broccoli and potato mash in addition to the traditional garnish.

11:55 <Finwe> Beetroot, capers and red onion.

11:55 <Finwe> I also added some diced gherkin and stir-fried red and yellow pepper.

11:56 <Schism> Ooh.

11:56 <Schism> Very nice indeed.  o3o  I should cook something like that sometime.

12:01 <Finwe> It was quite delicious.

12:16 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Shard 75 / Dopple / High Society / Hero's Trap 5 / Life's a Party 1 / I Fear 22 [ http://tinyurl.com/ybpsylet ]

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13:01 <Cepheid> Morning.

13:07 <Schism> hOi!!1

13:07 <Finwe> Messr Cepheid and SunsetShimmer.

13:07 * Finwe doffs his hat.

13:14 * Cepheid stretches and yawns repeatedly.

13:21 * Sleeping_Nightmares sick sleepies on Finwe and uses Cepheid as a blanket

13:21 <Sleeping_Nightmares> Nini

13:21 <Sleeping_Nightmares> I wuv you

13:21 * Schism pours some chamomile tea into floof.

13:24 <Finwe> Miss Sleeping_Nightmares.

13:24 * Finwe hugs Sleeping_Nightmares goodnight.

13:34 <Cepheid> Today, get a bit of coding done.  I need to test the performance impact of changing a 3072-doubleword buffer by completely re-uploading the data to the GL.  Then after that, the impact of doing the same via mapping/unmapping the buffer to main memory first.  Then finally, the impact of changing only a small portion of the buffer via mapping/unmapping small sections.

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14:04 * Schism decides to make some turkey pot pies.

14:14 <Schism> Must say, I do appreciate these subversions of the Magical Girl genre.  First Nanoha, then Madoka, and now Asuka.

14:16 * Schism peers at a mention of Ilmarinen.

14:17 <Schism> An artifact from his forge -- thankfully not the Sampo.  o3o

14:33 <Finwe> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Robert_Stigell_Ilmarinen_1888.jpg/800px-Robert_Stigell_Ilmarinen_1888.jpg

14:34 <Schism> Precisely!  o5o

14:34 <RazorSharpFang> Hey heys

14:34 <Finwe> A statue of Ilmarinen on the facade of the Old Student House in Helsinki.

14:37 <Cepheid> So, the secret to the Witch in Dragon Marked For Death is how you cast your various bits of spells.

14:37 <Cepheid> Well, prepare, not cast.

14:37 <Cepheid> When you prepare a component, a bar pops up above your head.  It drains over time.  If it drains completely, the spell fizzles.

14:37 <Cepheid> Still causes minor damage if it fizzles.  Spits out 3 blobs that do 1 damage on hit.

14:38 <Cepheid> Anyhow, each component causes the bar to drain progressively faster and faster.

14:38 <Cepheid> And the draining speed appears to be some sort of product of all the drain factors of each component.

14:39 <Schism> Ah, so set up the first half of the spell, and then cast the latter when you're ready?

14:39 <Cepheid> Thus, if you do a slow-drain component first, followed by a fast-drain component, it'll drain quite rapidly.  You have about a second or less(Or more, if you have high piety) to cast the spell.

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14:39 <Cepheid> It's a weird product of the factors, I'm not sure of the exact rates, but..

14:40 <Cepheid> If you're casting for an immediate effect, it's better to do a faster-drain component, then an element.

14:40 <Cepheid> Because the two combined will be so fast that you can't get any further effects.  If you start with the fast drain first, you can add another component in, and still get an element.

14:40 <Schism> Hmmm.  NATO troopers using 99mm oriclalcum rounds to take down rogue magical girls.  Interesting.

14:40 <Schism> Also, hmm.

14:40 <Cepheid> Elements are simply hit <Button for element> 4 times.

14:41 <Cepheid> While enhancers are some weird combos.

14:41 <Cepheid> Like power up is B, X, B, X, B, X, B, X, B, X.

14:41 <Cepheid> The more buttons you have to press, the harder it is to input in time.

14:41 <Cepheid> So going with the more complicated effects first, then adding in the element last provides a reasonable chance to get some good effects.

14:42 <Cepheid> I can't do Heal + Power Up + Power Up, but I can do Power Up + Power Up + Heal.

14:43 <Cepheid> Heal + Power Up drains so rapidly that I can't get another Power Up in time.

14:43 <Cepheid> While I can do Power Up + Power Up + Heal with some relative difficulty.

14:45 <Schism> That does make sense.

14:49 <Cepheid> Average 3,500 using a simple "replace the entire buffer with new data" approach..

14:50 <Cepheid> ~3,660 for a scenario where the buffer is *NOT* replaced every frame.

14:50 <Cepheid> ... For a total impact of...

14:50 <Cepheid> 4.4% performance drop.

14:51 <Cepheid> ...

14:52 <Cepheid> And that's assuming changing every single frame.

14:52 <Cepheid> I don't ever expect that to be the case with the scenery.

14:53 <Cepheid> Or at least, the whole scene.

14:55 * ADragonDreaming stretches

14:57 <Schism> Hmm.  The antagonist of this manga uses her powers to trap her enemies in a slowly-condensing cube of death.  Where have I seen that before...?

14:58 * Cepheid greets ADragonDreaming.

14:58 <ADragonDreaming> Yo

14:58 <Cepheid> How goes it?

14:58 <ADragonDreaming> I wound up napping a bit yesterday, and then it was time for to go to my brother's birthday dinner

14:58 <ADragonDreaming> it goes well

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15:00 <Cepheid> ADragonDreaming, are you aware that MHWorld PC allows setting quickuse keys for 1-5, etc?

15:01 <ADragonDreaming> probably!

15:01 <Cepheid> You enable a couple of options in the configuration, then go to modify your radial menu.

15:01 <Cepheid> Instead of the radial menu, you set keyboard shortcuts for sets of items.

15:01 <Cepheid> The end-result is that if you press the specified button, your character immediately sheathes their weapon and uses the item.

15:02 <ADragonDreaming> nice

15:02 <Cepheid> This even works for crafting.

15:02 <ADragonDreaming> I've also found that the whetstone doesn't require sheathing.

15:02 <Cepheid> You can set shortcuts to craft a recipe.

15:02 <Cepheid> Yeah, you basically just auto-sheathe and use it.

15:03 <Cepheid> Slowly starting to get the hang of Hunting Horn, too.

15:03 <ADragonDreaming> nope. don't even sheathe, if you do it via shortcut

15:03 <Cepheid> Mmm.  I may just not have noticed then, yeah.

15:03 <Cepheid> I keep forgetting to use my whetstones, especially mid-battle.

15:05 <Cepheid> Finally got the Barroth Armor.

15:05 <ADragonDreaming> excellent

15:05 <Cepheid> I'll be on in a little bit, when I start taking a break from coding.

15:06 <ADragonDreaming> aight, let me know

15:06 <Cepheid> Maybe sooner, because I've hit a rut for the moment.  I need to design something.

15:07 <Cepheid> Basically, while it's not required *NOW* it will be later.  I need to figure out how I'm going to implement basic animation for tile elements on the screen.

15:08 <Cepheid> Such animation is usually just implemented by simply translating a tile index stored in a buffer to that of one of the tile indices of the animation, based on timing information.

15:09 <Cepheid> Problem is, 3D rendering engines are a pain to handle drawing of 2D graphics.

15:10 <Cepheid> In OpenGL, much like Direct3D, any changes to a model result in changes to an internal buffer held in GPU memory.  Even a simple pair of triangles is such a model subject to this.

15:11 <Cepheid> And those changes are relatively slow, since it involves synchronization of CPU and GPU, followed by a data transfer from slow system memory to fast GPU memory.

15:12 <Cepheid> So simply drawing a pair of triangles for one tile, then changing the data, then drawing the next tile, and so on until the screen is filled would be slow.

15:12 <Cepheid> Unless..

15:12 <ADragonDreaming> Unless!

15:12 <Cepheid> I wonder what the impact of changing an integer uniform over 3,072 drawing calls is.

15:13 * Cepheid spends the next 30 minutes testing. After this, he's gonna stop for a bit and hunt.

15:13 <Cepheid> So you have plenty of time to eat, drink coffee/whatever it is you drink, have a shower, use the toilet, etc.

15:13 <ADragonDreaming> heh

15:15 <Cepheid> I'm not forcing you to come hunt though, if you don't want to. :P

15:15 <ADragonDreaming> I'm already in the game

15:15 <Cepheid> Oh.  Heh.

15:16 <Cepheid> I need to do Tobi.  I'm thinking we should probably power me through a few key quests quickly, then stop and grind some higher-up armour.

15:16 <ADragonDreaming> aye

15:16 <Cepheid> I can go back on my own time and get the stuff I missed.

15:16 <ADragonDreaming> anjanath armor is a good set

15:16 <Cepheid> Indeed.

15:25 <Cepheid> Ow.

15:25 <Cepheid> The alternative approach dropped performance to almost 900 FPS.

15:26 <Cepheid> However, is that because of the uniforms, or just the use of a small VAO?

15:26 <Cepheid> Mixture of both.

15:27 <Cepheid> If I set the uniforms once per frame, I gain about 600+ FPS.  If I change them 3072 times, I lose that 600 FPS gain.

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15:27 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, drawing 3072 tiles, even solid colour tiles, drops performance from over 3,300 FPS to nearly half.

15:27 <Cepheid> Not a viable approach, since I'll need to do this multiple times.

15:28 <Cepheid> Looking like modifying a backing buffer, and then re-uploading the data is a better approach.  'Course, I haven't tried the map/unmap approach.

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15:31 <Schism> Moose war.  https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/moose-jaw-canada-norway-statue-scli-intl/index.html

15:31 <Cepheid> Which is pretty much the same thing.  Apparently it has better performance though, if done right.  On top of that, it allows me to only modify small sections instead of simply re-uploading the entire buffer.

15:32 <Cepheid> Schism:  Those are the best kind of "wars".

15:32 <Cepheid> Arguments over who have the largest X.

15:32 <Schism> Yea, and all in good fun.

15:33 <Cepheid> Until some a-hole shows up and starts getting all violent over disagreements anyways.

15:34 <Schism> Hmmm.  All natural numbers are the sum of at most four natural numbers whose base-2 representation is a palindrome.

15:34 <Cepheid> Heh.

15:34 <Cepheid> Schism, do me a favour.  Sum all the integers from 1 to 1000.

15:35 <Cepheid> It's 500,500.

15:35 <Schism> Indeed...

15:35 <Cepheid> You know how to do it quickly?

15:36 <Schism> Sure, take the half of the largest number, multiply by the largest, and add it again.

15:36 <Cepheid> Mmm.

15:36 <Cepheid> Try n(n + 1) / 2

15:36 <Schism> Oh right.  XD;

15:36 <Cepheid> Fun little formula.

15:38 * Schism makes the rest of these turkey pies. o3o

15:39 <Cepheid> What is the number of all bitstrings of length 10 that have exactly 5 1 bits?

15:39 <Cepheid> This one's a tad trickier.

15:40 <Schism> I... want to say 22.

15:40 <Cepheid> 252.

15:40 <Schism> Heh.

15:40 <Cepheid> n!/k!(n - k)!, where n is the bitstring length, and k is the number of bits set to 1.  n! is n factorial.

15:40 * Schism headshakes, "Not especially awake this morning, it seems."

15:41 <Cepheid> Nah, it's not obvious.

15:41 <Cepheid> And hard to express using text.

15:41 <Cepheid> It's actually better to express it this way:  n! / (k!(n - k!))

15:42 * Schism looks at a writer who believes that books are just like computers, saying that the paper, glue and ink are analogous to computer hardware. "..."

15:42 <Cepheid> This is the kind of *YAY* I deal with in discrete structures II.

15:42 <Cepheid> Depends on how you want to interpret that statement, Schism.

15:42 <Schism> Well, the article in question was published by the Discovery Institute, and says that machine learning should be very very simple!

15:43 <Cepheid> A computer is a composite object, comprised of smaller components that are composed in a certain configuration to create a larger whole.  A book, meanwhile, is also a composite.  It is comprised of numerous components that make up a whole.

15:43 <Cepheid> But outside of that..

15:43 <Cepheid> The analogy doesn't stand.

15:43 <Schism> Well, on second thought -- says that machine learning is impossible.

15:43 <Schism> Misread, heh.

15:43 <Schism> ( https://recursed.blogspot.com/2018/09/i-did-warn-you.html )

15:44 <Cepheid> I don't consider it impossible, I just consider it untrustworthy to handle various situations.

15:44 <Cepheid> Until such a time that machine learning can take into consideration scenarios where logic isn't the be-all-end-all that it is...

15:44 <Schism> Indeed.

15:44 <Cepheid> For example, the whole save-one-person-over-another.

15:45 <Cepheid> Even in such a situation, humans do not factor logic in such a situation.

15:45 <Cepheid> Plus, probability becomes a concern as well.

15:45 <Schism> Yah.

15:45 <Cepheid> You could choose to save either person, even under the most logical conclusions that saving one over the other is the better choice due to say, higher chance of survival.

15:46 <Cepheid> But in the end, it doesn't matter if that higher chance of survival doesn't amount to a significant difference.  And even if it does..

15:46 <Cepheid> There is no guarantee the individual would have survived.

15:46 <Cepheid> It is entirely probable that the person with the lower chance to survive based on examination could survive, while the other person who has the higher chance to survive based on examination doesn't survive.

15:47 <Schism> Indeed.  Because that's how random chance works.

15:47 <Cepheid> Supposedly, quantum computing can help with that, but there are still too many variables to consider.

15:47 <Cepheid> A human being will make a decision based not just on logic, but emotion.  Who are they more attached to?

15:48 * ADragonDreaming forges the dragonbone cutter

15:48 <Cepheid> Anyways, this is getting too deep for me, so I'm gonna stop and go cave some skulls in.

15:48 <Schism> Always a good idea.

15:49 * Schism blinks. "In French, the Sorting Hat from Harry Potter is called the "Choixpeau"."

15:49 <ADragonDreaming> choice hat!

15:49 <Cepheid> Out of curiousity, what is such awareness of the above implications and problem called?

15:49 <Cepheid> It isn't philosophy, but it must have some sort of term that describes such thinking and analysis.

15:49 <Schism> Ethics?  Heh, good question.  Self-awareness is of course sentience.

15:50 <Cepheid> Ethics is..

15:50 <Cepheid> More what's right and wrong with certain scenarios.

15:50 <Cepheid> Not so much making the right choice based on input information.

15:50 <Cepheid> Ethics is more "Is it right to cut this person open to perform an experiment on them?"

15:51 <Cepheid> The answer to that being "It depends on the local ethics board's opinion, whether the individual consented to the experiment, and other factors."

15:51 <ADragonDreaming> Sentience / 1: a sentient quality or state / 2: feeling or sensation as distinguished from perception and thought

15:52 <Cepheid> ADragonDreaming:  You running a private session at all?

15:52 <ADragonDreaming> whereas Sapience is the quality of having wisdom

15:52 <ADragonDreaming> one can argue that a dog, for example, is sentient ... but not sapient.

15:52 <ADragonDreaming> yes, I'm currently in a private session

15:53 <Cepheid> Pray tell, what is the ID for it?  You can copy it to the clipboard using the menu, under communication.  Copy Session ID.

15:53 <ADragonDreaming> can't find it under Friends Sessions?

15:53 <Cepheid> You're not logged into Steam Friends, or invisible, so it won't show.

15:53 <ADragonDreaming> ah

15:54 <Cepheid> Thar we go.

15:55 <Cepheid> Let's see, sparky is thunder-based, and weak to water.

15:56 <Schism> That seems backwards.

15:56 <Cepheid> Arguable.

15:56 <Cepheid> If a creature conducts electricity through various hairs, spines, etc..

15:56 <ADragonDreaming> one could argue that electronics are "thunder" based, and weak to water

15:57 <Schism> Good point.

15:57 <Cepheid> It's probable that the creature has fine control over all the electrical sources in it's body.

15:57 <Cepheid> But if a circuit were to complete..

15:57 * Cepheid makes a *FOOMF* sound.

15:57 <Cepheid> Short-circuit.

15:58 * Schism reads about the discovery of what causes 'pokkuri'.

15:58 * Cepheid will be right back.

16:00 <Cepheid> ADragonDreaming:  Voice chat or no?

16:00 <ADragonDreaming> sure

16:00 <Cepheid> Gimme a call when yer ready.

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16:36 <Schism> "This survey has more loaded questions than a pub giving free drinks to questions on questions' night."

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17:03 <Schism> Hmm.  Deactivating Facebook is healthy and beneficial.

17:04 <Schism> http://web.stanford.edu/~gentzkow/research/facebook.pdf

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17:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Fanfic Music: Vylet Pony - Square One (feat. Slyleaf & FlyoverRob) [Indie Pop] [ http://tinyurl.com/yak479d2 ]

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17:33 * Schism coughs, "This company seems... familiar." https://www.fimfiction.net/story/430728/1/surge-protectors/minimum-wage-maximum-damage

17:35 <Schism> "Your uniform is made from our usual product. This means it can fall apart under undue strain, which we have defined through previous lawsuits as 'Anything a pony might do while wearing it, including existing.'"

17:41 * Schism reads The Daily WTF for a bit.

17:42 <Schism> wh... https://thedailywtf.com/articles/Uppity

17:47 <RazorSharpFang> Why.

17:48 <Schism> I don't even.

17:50 <Schism> Oh gods.  https://thedailywtf.com/articles/relative-versioning

17:52 <Cepheid> Geezus, 21 minutes for Zora.

17:53 <Cepheid> Commander, tone down the roughness of your voice please.  And PLEASE, for the love of Zorah Magdaros, stop yelling!

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17:58 <Cepheid> Schism:  Heh.

17:59 <Cepheid> Yeah, I usually use Major.Minor.Patch.  Major is a considerable change, it isn't compatible with previous releases AT ALL.  Minor breaks a few APIs, but can be "repaired" easily.  Patch fixes bugs.

17:59 <Cepheid> Unfortunately, even a patch can have ramifications.

17:59 <Cepheid> If it turns out that a commonly-used function, used in an extremely common manner, was actually bugged when used in that manner, things will break when it's fixed.

18:00 <Schism> Yup.

18:00 <Schism> It's a truism that every change, no matter how minor, will disrupt someone's workflow.

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18:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Last Call for Video Game Pony Art for the Event!  [ http://tinyurl.com/yc8gw67g ]

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18:07 <Cepheid> Fortunately, the patch changes are usually so minor that it won't impact you *THAT* much.

18:07 <Cepheid> Just means you need to adjust the parameters, or ensure they're correct.

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18:10 <Cepheid> Hum.

18:10 * Cepheid is looking for a set of on-ear headsets.

18:11 <Cepheid> Er headset with microphone*

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18:32 <Cepheid> I think I nearly short-circuited my computer.

18:33 <Cepheid> Using a USB port.

18:34 <Cepheid> Somehow, despite being in the wrong orientation, the connector slipped into the plug somehow, and suddenly my PC just shut down.

18:36 <Cepheid> Right then, time to open up Coral Highlands.

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18:49 <Cepheid> Hey Leggy Lagiana.

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19:18 <Cepheid> Hum, gather 2 wyvern eggs.  This was a fun quest, as I recall, as it was trickier than usual.

19:18 <ADragonDreaming> oh that one

19:18 <ADragonDreaming> my solution was to kill the monster.

19:21 <Cepheid> I mean, yeah that works too.

19:21 <Cepheid> Hello Spitfire.

19:21 <Cepheid> Yes, I'll pay you some attention.

19:26 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Gameleon: GalaCon Announces Andrea Libman For 2019 Edition [ http://tinyurl.com/yddh7b5v ]

19:55 * Schism hums, "DeceasedCrab remains a nutball."

20:26 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Applejack Music: Koron Korak - Applejack's Theme (Covering RC88) [Soundtrack] [ http://tinyurl.com/y9mmce7b ]

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21:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Poll Results: What Do You Like Most on EQD? [ http://tinyurl.com/ycwkpxx8 ]

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21:26 <PinkieShy> Hiya

21:26 <DerbyFloat> yo

21:27 <PinkieShy> took a nap on the sofa for an hour :D

21:27 <PinkieShy> Had a weird.. dream

21:27 <PinkieShy> But before i woke up.. It tricked me..

21:27 <PinkieShy> I thought I had woke up and turned the TV on..

21:27 * DerbyFloat drools on Quill

21:27 <Quill> MEEP

21:27 <PinkieShy> But then I woke up and saw the TV was off... I was like.. Didn't i just turn it on..

21:27 <DerbyFloat> ah a false awakening

21:28 <DerbyFloat> those are fun

21:40 * Sleeping_Nightmares clutches DerbyFloat for warms

21:40 * Sleeping_Nightmares is sick floof

21:40 <PinkieShy> Its very annoying and confusing when those happen :(

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21:42 <Schism> thelema5, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkaSTm0KO6c - microwaveable doner kebab.

21:43 <Schism> Terrible stuff.  XD

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22:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #2881 [ http://tinyurl.com/ydxol94q ]

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