00:02 <Cepheid> So, WIS' system is broken.
00:02 <Cepheid> It says I worked 4.5 hours yesterday. o3o
00:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Fanfiction: Between Bassdrops and Bowstrings [ http://tinyurl.com/y3dzhxnv ]
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01:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Rememberance Released a Trailer for Episode 9 [ http://tinyurl.com/yxbfdgc6 ]
01:18 <PinkieShy> I wish i would have went to see her more than we did :(
01:19 <PinkieShy> sigh.. Can't change the past though.
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01:23 * uni flops
01:23 <uni> haha
01:23 <uni> this course computer has putty on it
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01:54 <PinkieShy> I'm getting offline for the night..
01:54 <PinkieShy> play some pokemon then off to bed i am.. Dentist appointment at 8:30am. oof
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02:17 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1834 [ http://tinyurl.com/y596zcl2 ]
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02:52 * DashedRainbows sits on Ali. Go horsey go?
02:52 * Ali is too tired to go
02:55 <DashedRainbows> Aww
02:56 * DashedRainbows gives Ali a pony ride instead. Pay up...
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03:07 * DashedRainbows makes sad horse noises
03:07 <DashedRainbows> Emotions are weird
03:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: TRIXIE Music: TheMusicReborn - She's Got That Magic! [Blues] [ http://tinyurl.com/y4bbk39f ]
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03:31 * DashedRainbows curls up in a corner. Glhf small horses
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05:59 <Finwe> Morning, my little perissodactyls of minute stature.
05:59 <Finwe> Mlles Ali, DashedRainbows and Filly_Nightmares; Messrs uni, Schism and Cepheid.
05:59 * Finwe doffs his hat.
06:00 * Ali flops over Finwe
06:00 * Finwe flips under Ali.
06:02 <Finwe> uni: But why would you need PuTTY?
06:02 <uni> I'm on a course now
06:02 <uni> falling asleep
06:03 <Finwe> Windows 10 features OpenSSH since last autumn or so.
06:03 <uni> ooh really?
06:03 <uni> didn't know that
06:03 <uni> anyway I've forgotten how to use weechat
06:04 <Finwe> You can just press Win key and start typing your ssh command.
06:04 <uni> blegh
06:04 <uni> ...that didn't work
06:04 <Finwe> E.g. "ssh uni@shellserver.org -t screen -rD".
06:05 <uni> yep tried it
06:05 <uni> ah well
06:06 <Finwe> If the Win 10 is up to date, that should work, unless the command prompt has been disabled.
06:13 * Ali noms Finwe ear
06:14 * Finwe ear-wiggles.
06:14 <Finwe> !plot
06:14 <DerpyBot> *wigglewiggle*
06:14 <Finwe> *wigglewiggle*
06:19 * Filly_Nightmares licks Butter uni nosie and uses Ali as a nest!
06:21 * Ali brushies Filly_Nightmares
06:22 * Filly_Nightmares purrs and kneads Ali!
06:31 * uni squeaks
06:31 <uni> Finwe: I think this Win10 isn't up to date
06:31 * Finwe ruffles an Ali.
06:32 * Ali squeaks at Finwe
06:50 <Finwe> Squeak?
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07:55 * Filly_Nightmares licks Finwe
07:56 * Finwe tastes o orange juice.
07:56 <Finwe> *of
08:05 <Schism> ...welp. Every time I consider signing up for a Netflix sub, they do something like release a prank comedy show about screwing with people trying to find work.
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08:19 * DashedRainbows licks Finwe
08:19 * Finwe is being licked by several actors in the licking business.
08:20 * uni shall join this emerging industry
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08:23 * DashedRainbows licks Finwe like a lollipop
08:41 * Filly_Nightmares lickies DashedRainbows and Butter uni happily!
08:49 * Schism boops the Filly_Nightmares wif some crepes filled with mixed berries and whipped cream!
08:59 * Filly_Nightmares bounces at Schism and kneads the crepes happily!
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09:02 * Finwe hats on Jackie.
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09:04 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ConfusionRift
09:04 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
09:06 * Filly_Nightmares bounces at ConfusionRift
09:06 * Jackie licks Filly_Nightmares
09:06 * ConfusionRift pets Filly_Nightmares. :P
09:09 * ConfusionRift boops Jackie. Why not. :P
09:10 * Jackie purr
09:16 * Filly_Nightmares nomfs Jackie!
09:16 * Jackie fluffs up
09:17 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift!
09:17 <Finwe> o7
09:17 <ConfusionRift> EAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
09:18 <ConfusionRift> ...
09:18 <ConfusionRift> *RAdm.
09:19 <Finwe> Ear Admiral? o3o?
09:19 * Finwe ear-perks.
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09:26 * Filly_Nightmares giggles and bats at Finwe ears
09:26 * Filly_Nightmares yawnskrees and curls up on his head
09:26 * Filly_Nightmares hugs Finwe ears and uses ConfusionRift and Jackie as a blankie and plushie! She uses Schism as a pillow!
09:26 <Filly_Nightmares> Nini!
09:26 <Filly_Nightmares> I wuv you!
09:27 * Filly_Nightmares purrs happily
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09:27 <Jackie> Aww
09:28 <Jackie> Lonely place here
09:28 * Finwe gives a Lonely Planet book to Jackie.
09:28 * ConfusionRift slowly nods.
09:29 <Jackie> Everyone here doesn't talk
09:32 <ConfusionRift> Sorry? Not much to talk about... and distracted. :P
09:33 <Finwe> As matter of fact, most of those joined to this channel never say anything here.
09:35 <ConfusionRift> Well, most of the active people at this hour are gone nowadays.
09:36 <Jackie> Aw
09:36 <Jackie> Any use to chat here?
09:37 <Finwe> The most fruitful time for that would be when both Europe and the Americas are awake.
09:38 <ConfusionRift> It used to be more active, it's just that things change. They either now have a job, are taking care of things, no longer use IRC, had to change schedules, or moved to Discord.
09:40 <Finwe> !seen ThatAnonPony
09:40 <DerpyBot> Finwe: The last time I saw ThatAnonPony was 2019-05-04 05:57:45 UTC
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09:41 <Finwe> I've been here since 2010 or so, and the activity has indeed abated from what it was in early years of the show.
09:44 <Jackie> Will this place become active again?
09:46 <Finwe> Difficult to say. As Lt Cdr ConfusionRift pointed out, the popularity of IRC might also be on decline, as substitutes are available in abundance.
09:47 <ConfusionRift> Yeah, not gonna jump on Discord any time soon.
09:51 <Jackie> I don't wanna be forced to use Discord
09:51 <Jackie> Unless people use an open source platform
09:52 <ConfusionRift> Trust me, you're not missing a lot on Discord.
09:52 <Jackie> Finwe, do open source subsitutes exist?
09:52 <ConfusionRift> Mumble I guess?
09:53 <Jackie> I hate Discord being a subsitute because the code, API and protocol is not open unlike IRC's
09:53 <ConfusionRift> Ooookay?
09:53 <Jackie> If you understand
09:54 <Finwe> IRC as such is just protocol. The clients may or may not be open source software.
09:54 <Finwe> The servers, too.
09:54 <Finwe> Telegram is open source, I think.
09:55 <ConfusionRift> But it's a free platform. I don't entirely see the problem. Unless it's a case of "I gotta have full control of the applications I use" sorta thing.
09:56 <ConfusionRift> There's also the information thing. I suppose that could be an issue.
09:57 <ConfusionRift> IRC uses little information to maintain communications.
09:58 <Jackie> Well I want the ability to use a different client
09:58 <Jackie> I don't like using the default client because it's not open
09:58 <Finwe> I like IRC because it's lightweight, server-based and the client I use runs in a terminal rather than in a window in a desktop environment.
09:59 <ConfusionRift> Now THAT changes thing.
10:00 <ConfusionRift> You have more freedom on an IRC client rather than an application that runs on system resources to function as a client.
10:00 <ConfusionRift> IRC clients do too, but there are more options.
10:02 <ConfusionRift> There's also the "account required" problem.
10:02 <Finwe> The exact way I do it is SSH connection to a shell server that runs my IRC client in a virtual terminal.
10:02 <ConfusionRift> Basically giving your information to someone else.
10:02 <Finwe> And the client, in turn, is connected to four servers in different networks.
10:03 <ConfusionRift> I just use HexChat on Windows. (shrugs)
10:03 <Jackie> That's the reason why I don't use Discord
10:03 <Jackie> It even violates ToS for using one
10:03 <Jackie> Matrix has this similar freedom
10:04 <Jackie> Matrix is almost getting there as an open alternative to discord
10:19 * Cepheid flops.
10:19 <Cepheid> Nothing like being woken up because you can't friggen breathe because your windpipe decided to close up and fill up with liquid.
10:21 <ConfusionRift> 0_0;
10:21 <ConfusionRift> Bronchitis?
10:21 <Cepheid> No idea.
10:22 <Cepheid> Respirologist doesn't know what it is.
10:22 <Cepheid> X-rays, CT scans, breathing tests, they all indicate that my breathing is, for all intents and purposes, FINE.
10:23 <ConfusionRift> Oh no, this sounds familiar.
10:24 <ConfusionRift> The infection from before was also one of those "this seems fine" at points.
10:25 <Cepheid> The sinus infection, yeah.
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10:27 <ConfusionRift> Hopefully it's not a similar problem. Then again, might be the weather changes or something in the air.
10:28 <Cepheid> It's probably related to the sinuses, actually.
10:28 <Cepheid> Drainage of material entering the windpipe, causing inflammation.
10:29 <ConfusionRift> I forgot. It could be in relation to the same problem, draining down to the rest of the body.
10:29 <Jackie2> Are we losing open?
10:29 <ConfusionRift> What do you mean?
10:31 <Jackie2> Choice, freedom, privacy
10:31 <Cepheid> No, not really.
10:31 <ConfusionRift> ^
10:37 * DashedRainbows licks ConfusionRift and rolls over
10:38 <ConfusionRift> You can make your own choices, have your freedom, and keep your privacy.
10:38 * ConfusionRift pets DashedRainbows. :P
10:38 <ConfusionRift> No one is stopping you.
10:39 <DashedRainbows> So early
10:39 <DashedRainbows> I use both matrix and signal for example
10:42 <ConfusionRift> Huh, that's a bug.
10:42 * ConfusionRift got hit by an already dead enemy.
10:47 * Lumindia boops Jackie2
10:47 <Lumindia> You've been booped
10:48 * DashedRainbows boops Lumindia
10:48 <DashedRainbows> you have too
10:48 <Lumindia> UWA
10:48 * Lumindia falls over, flailyhooves
10:48 <DashedRainbows> :(
10:53 <Jackie2> https://worldshiaforum.wordpress.com/2014/07/14/sunni-is-not-my-enemy-a-pakistani-shias-perspective/
10:53 <Jackie2> I wish people can just be nice
10:56 * Lumindia gives Jackie a hug!
11:02 * DashedRainbows chews on ConfusionRift's hooves
11:04 * ConfusionRift allows it. Then boops DashedRainbows.
11:05 <Jackie2> Killroy was here!
11:05 <DashedRainbows> Mah snoot
11:06 * ConfusionRift sighs. "They could've fixed that before launch."
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11:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1605 [ http://tinyurl.com/y3wtac9a ]
11:07 * DashedRainbows licks Jackie
11:07 * Cepheid sighs.
11:07 * Jackie purrs
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11:19 * Jackie2 picks up DashedRainbows
11:22 * Lumindia gives Jackie a kiss on thes noot
11:22 <Lumindia> the snoot*
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11:38 * Jackie2 purrs at Lumindia
11:39 <Cepheid> Who the <REDACTED> designed the X11 protocol? Richard Stallman? It's god-awful.
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11:41 <KooK> !seen thelema5
11:41 <DerpyBot> KooK: The last time I saw thelema5 was 2019-06-04 01:50:14 UTC
11:41 <Finwe> Mr KooK.
11:41 <KooK> Finnish
11:41 * Finwe doffs his hat.
11:41 <KooK> yawnage
11:41 <KooK> I need to get out of bed but I'm comfortable
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11:41 * Finwe noms on Thelema5's absence.
11:42 <DashedRainbows> The eternal dilemma
11:44 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, I'm gonna take a shower later, and head out to buy a different kind of antihistamine to try out for my breathing.
11:44 <Cepheid> I want to see if it's allergies before going to a doctor. Though I also need to remember to call the hospital to set up an appointment.
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11:45 <KooK> ALRIGHT, it's time to get up
11:45 <KooK> Who wants to come to work with me?
11:46 <Cepheid> Hum, I wonder how much longer using an unsigned 16-bit integer for X, Y, Width and Height will last for X11.
11:46 <Cepheid> Every few years, it seems we double the resolution dimensions of displays. We're up to 8k, now.
11:47 <Cepheid> Next will be 16k, then 32k, then 64k and bam, breakdown.
11:47 * ConfusionRift slowly turns to KooK. "But it's my day off." :P
11:47 <Finwe> KooK: I can do your work for you, if you write a paper on de Rham cohomology for me.
11:47 <Cepheid> KooK, as it is, I already do an incredibly straining job.
11:47 <Cepheid> I'm gonna have to refuse.
11:47 * Finwe fedora hats on Cepheid.
11:47 <Cepheid> In the inbetween periods of my job, I have to work on something to put into my portfolio.
11:48 <Cepheid> Which, right now, is creating a native X11 interface library for C#.
11:48 <Cepheid> C# .NET Standard 2.0, not .NET Framework or .NET Core exclusively.
11:48 <Cepheid> So it'll work on any platform, ideally. I'm also doing my best to make it CLS compliant.
11:49 * Finwe noms on Cepheid's portfolio.
11:50 <Cepheid> I've got plenty of small, incomplete and complete snippets of code I could use already.
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11:50 <Cepheid> But I want something complex to show off.
11:51 <Cepheid> Simplifying the libxcb xcb-proto definition and implementing a code generator seems like a good start.
11:51 <Cepheid> But gods, this protocol..
11:52 <Cepheid> It uses a combination of named and anonymous enumerations, which is the biggest problem.
11:52 <Cepheid> And it mixes them with unrelated types.
11:52 <Jackie2> X11 is kinda important than Wayland right now
11:53 <Cepheid> For example, in the CreateWindow request, the 9th parameter, visual, is of type VISUALID, but it accepts an anonymous enumeration value defined by an earlier parameter.
11:53 <Cepheid> Jackie2: Both of them are important.
11:54 <Jackie2> Is this Linux X11
11:54 <Cepheid> Just because X11 is the most widely used display server doesn't mean it should be the only one available.
11:54 <Cepheid> Yes, Jackie2, Linux X11.
11:54 <Cepheid> Otherwise known as X, Xorg, etc.
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11:56 <Cepheid> This, this here, is the worst part about the spec.
11:56 <Finwe> Xorg isn't bound to Linux in any way, you can run it on Unix, BSD or some other platform as well.
11:56 <Jackie2> Is an open source windowing system required for Linux?
11:57 <Finwe> Not required, but available.
11:57 <Cepheid> Only if you want to run purely open-source software.
11:57 <Cepheid> See, the thing about the freedom of choice is you can use closed-source if you want to.
11:57 <Cepheid> But you aren't required to, either.
11:57 <Cepheid> Although in some cases, it certainly helps, since video drivers for Linux right now are mostly garbage for the two main brands.
11:57 <Jackie2> I just doubt many Linux users will use it
11:57 <Cepheid> Ahahaha.
11:58 * ConfusionRift points at that.
11:58 <Cepheid> You're cute with that mentality, you know that?
11:58 <Cepheid> While open-source is gaining prevalence, closed-source will never disappear, for various reasons.
11:58 <Cepheid> And as a result, people will continue to use it, even on Linux.
11:58 <Cepheid> As it is..
11:58 <Jackie2> Doesn't mean it's bad
11:58 <Cepheid> Almost a good 80% of games are closed-source anyways.
11:59 <Jackie2> Open source has advantages in business nowadays
11:59 <Cepheid> Oh, I don't deny it.
11:59 <Cepheid> But of course, there are problems to overcome even with it.
11:59 <Cepheid> Namely, people's lack of trust
12:00 <Cepheid> Do you trust C# and .NET Core on Linux, for example? Both were created by Microsoft.
12:00 <Jackie2> Linux is kinda the best thing happening right now than before
12:00 <Jackie2> I'd use the Mono one
12:00 <Cepheid> Mono implements the closed-source .NET Foundation.
12:01 <Cepheid> .NET Core is an implementation of .NET Foundation that's open-source.
12:01 <Cepheid> Also, Mono uses the Microsoft C# compiler now, if I recall correctly.
12:02 <Jackie2> I'd trust it if it's 100% open source
12:02 <Jackie2> As in it's compilable
12:02 <Cepheid> It is, though.
12:02 <Cepheid> .NET Core was released under the MIT License.
12:02 <Jackie2> Idk for me if you can't compile it, it's not 100% open sourcr
12:02 <Cepheid> I disagree.
12:02 <Jackie2> *open source
12:02 <Cepheid> It just means that it hasn't been ported to the platform properly.
12:03 <Jackie2> No
12:03 <Cepheid> Something can be open source, run on OpenBSD, but may not build on FreeBSD or Linux because of header differences.
12:03 <Jackie2> I mean that it lacks files
12:03 <Jackie2> Like facebook for example
12:03 <Jackie2> They have github and programs
12:03 <Cepheid> Right, that's closed-source, yes.
12:03 <Cepheid> But meanwhile, .NET Core, the Roslyn compiler, created by Microsoft, both build on Linux.
12:04 <Jackie2> Can they be built under linux?
12:04 <Cepheid> Yes.
12:04 <Cepheid> I just said that.
12:04 <Jackie2> I just don't like using WSL2
12:05 <Cepheid> The most recent version of .NET Core, maybe not so much, but that's because a new feature that was originally exclusive to Windows was open-sourced and added to it within recent months.
12:05 <Cepheid> But then, it's in preview state, so..
12:05 <Cepheid> Basically, Microsoft open-sourced WinForms and WPF.
12:05 <Jackie2> Means they can be used on Linux
12:05 <Cepheid> They're in the process of cleaning the original code up so that it meets the MIT License requirements and open-source guidelines and such.
12:06 <Cepheid> Yeah. It needs a bit of work, though.
12:06 <Cepheid> The underpinnings are still dependent on the Win32 API.
12:06 <Jackie2> The core originally doesn't include GUI
12:06 <Cepheid> So an abstraction layer is needed to convert the calls to an appropriate library for Linux.
12:06 <Cepheid> It didn't, no. But it will in the next release.
12:06 <Cepheid> .NET Core is meant to replace .NET Foundation.
12:06 <Cepheid> It's slow in doing that, but it's catching up.
12:07 <Jackie2> I wish game development is becoming possible
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12:07 <Cepheid> That I'm working on.
12:07 <Jackie2> In the case of Unity
12:07 <Cepheid> I'm in the midst of making a .NET Standard 2.0, CLS-compliant X11 protocol interface for C#, without using bindings to xcb or xlib.
12:07 <Cepheid> Which I'll be using to implement initialization of an OpenGL window in my game.
12:07 <Jackie2> It's kinda better to open source the community edition
12:08 <Cepheid> Since current implementations of APIs like OpenTK, SharpGL and such are all based on .NET Foundation.
12:08 <Jackie2> Is the thing you're making open source?
12:08 <Cepheid> Plus, there's no native, non-P/Invoke variant of the X11 protocol for .NET Standard.
12:08 <Cepheid> Yeah.
12:08 <Cepheid> Once I get the initial version up and running, I'll be publishing it to a public git repo.
12:08 <Jackie2> I mean it would be possible to make a C# WM
12:09 <Cepheid> Right now, I'm in the process of translating the protocol to an XML file format, similar to XCB's approach, but much more simplified.
12:09 <Jackie2> You need to use sockets I guess
12:10 <Cepheid> Yep.
12:10 <Jackie2> Since X11 is a server
12:10 <Cepheid> UNIX domain sockets, TCP/IP, or DECnet.
12:10 <Cepheid> Currently, I've got proof that .NET Core 2.2 can communicate with the server just fine.
12:10 <Cepheid> Got it communicating over a UNIX domain socket, and TCP/IP. Not sure about DECnet as I have no idea how that works.
12:11 <Cepheid> Not even sure it's usable under Linux these days.
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12:11 <Cepheid> The biggest issue I have to deal with in C# is CLS-compliance.
12:12 <Cepheid> CLS being the Common Language Specification. It defines, among other things, the bare minimum of types supported across all known languages and platforms.
12:12 <Cepheid> The problem is that, with exception to a byte, all the data types specified under the CLS are signed types.
12:12 <Cepheid> Unsigned types aren't specified, because some languages don't support them.
12:12 <Cepheid> And X11 expects unsigned types.
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12:13 <Cepheid> Fortunately, the CLS specifies a 64-bit signed integer. So to accomodate X11, which only goes up to 32-bit unsigned, I just store unsigned types in a signed type of the next greater width, and convert back when sending data.
12:13 <Jackie2> I have a question. How did Linux blend in the modern world?
12:13 <Cepheid> What do you mean?
12:14 <Jackie2> Like it got itself modern
12:14 <Jackie2> Rather than looking outdated
12:14 <Cepheid> I legitimately have no idea.
12:15 <Cepheid> The Linux kernel is similar to the Microsoft, UNIX, and BSD kernels. A mashed together bunch of code held together by silly string created by way too many people collaborating together.
12:16 <Jackie2> People had no idea that a million of people collaberate with the kernel
12:16 <Cepheid> I'm hesitant to say this, but I think the other reason it maintains parity is due to the open-source nature allowing quick patching of bugs.
12:17 <Jackie2> The git repo has like 6GB of commits
12:18 <Cepheid> In the end, even the Windows kernel can be patched against bugs relatively quickly. The thing that slows them down though is the thorough testing, or that the kernel was not designed with certain solutions in mind, so it takes a bit of time to think of a proper, safe solution.
12:18 <Cepheid> There have been cases of severe, extreme regressions in the Linux kernel because of the rapid manner of accepting patches.
12:19 <Jackie2> I have no way of defending Windows whatsoever since 2018
12:19 <Cepheid> My personal opinion on the whole field really is straightforward.
12:19 <Cepheid> Use what you want. Develop for what you want.
12:20 <Cepheid> Just don't go criticizing everyone else for their choices.
12:20 <Cepheid> Some people may not have any choice in the matter.
12:20 <Cepheid> I can't use Windows on this laptop anymore, thanks to Intel.
12:22 <Jackie2> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReactOS
12:22 <Cepheid> Yeah, I know.
12:23 <Cepheid> Basically the problem is that the Intel Management Engine on this laptop, that maligned support processor of Intel processors, does not want to work with Windows.
12:24 <Cepheid> It interferes with operation of the kernel. It seems to spam it with a bunch of garbage messages that keeps the OS from A) Entering standby, B) Shutting down, and C) Rebooting properly.
12:24 <Jackie2> Does it support linux
12:24 <Cepheid> Yeah, that's what I'm on right now.
12:24 <Cepheid> Linux reports all sorts of errors from the CPU and ME, whenever I do stuff like plug the laptop in, unplug it, put it into standby, pull it out of standby, etc.
12:24 <Cepheid> However, the kernel works around it, I'm guessing.
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12:25 * Lumindia picks up Jackie, cuddles!
12:25 <Lumindia> O 3O
12:25 <Cepheid> ... The heck?
12:25 <Cepheid> I just checked what happens when I unplug my laptop.
12:25 <Cepheid> "usb 2-1: USB disconnect, device number 5."
12:25 <Cepheid> And two proc_thermal errors.
12:26 <Lumindia> interesting
12:26 <Cepheid> Let's see, 2-1..
12:26 <Jackie2> It thinks your charger is a usb. LOL
12:26 <Lumindia> proc_thermal worries me, though
12:26 <Cepheid> Oh, it's not a thermal issue.
12:26 <Cepheid> It's just "unsupported event" that it's reporting.
12:26 <Jackie2> lsusb?
12:27 <Cepheid> But then, that could also be a controller bug, since the CPU fan runs 24/7 at 100% capacity, and reports that it's running at 25500 RPM.
12:27 <Cepheid> It's the USB key I have, Jackie2.
12:27 <Cepheid> Well, thumb drive.
12:27 <Cepheid> Apparently, it disconnects when I unplug the laptop? o.o?
12:27 <Jackie2> Maybe your drivers are messed up
12:27 <Cepheid> I dunno.
12:28 <Cepheid> Seems the drive itself disconnects, then reconnects immediately after.
12:28 <Cepheid> Gods dangit, Shylo.
12:28 <Cepheid> It's just my cat coming over to see me. Stop going after him!
12:29 <Cepheid> How strange. Unplugging and plugging in the laptop causes the device to disconnect, then reconnect. o3o
12:29 * Cepheid tries another port away from the power plug to see if it still happens.
12:29 * Cepheid plugs it into the far side of the laptop.
12:30 <Cepheid> Doesn't happen.
12:30 <Cepheid> ...
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12:30 <Jackie2> Broadcom WiFi is the worst on Linux honestly
12:30 <Cepheid> Is plugging in my laptop inducing some sort of voltage surge?
12:30 <Jackie2> Well kinda
12:31 * uni flops
12:32 <Cepheid> Well, yeah.
12:32 <Cepheid> I mean, voltage will jump.
12:32 <Cepheid> But for it to interfere with the USB port, that's... unusual.
12:33 <Cepheid> Oh, that's why.
12:33 <Cepheid> It's a powered port.
12:33 <Cepheid> The two on the far side aren't.
12:33 <Cepheid> It's probably disconnecting the device to set up the host to supply power through that port.
12:33 <Cepheid> As for the unsupported event, let's see.. Says it's on 0000:00:04.0. That's...
12:34 <Cepheid> A signal processing controller, used for.. thermal control.
12:35 <Cepheid> As for the unsupported event, it seems to be specific to ASUS laptops.
12:37 * Lumindia doots at Ceph
12:37 <Lumindia> o 3o
12:37 <Cepheid> For the record, I'm not sure about their more recent laptops, but I am not a supporter of ASUS laptops right now. At least, the earlier models, anyways.
12:37 <Cepheid> The UX303LA, which I have, has had more problems than most laptops I've ever owned. Even the Apple laptop.
12:37 <Jackie2> A 7" laptop would be a dream come true
12:38 <Cepheid> It'd be too small for me.
12:38 <Jackie2> Idk it's something that is easier carry on your shoulder
12:38 <Cepheid> I'll stick with 13". Midway point between "too small" and "too large", just in the sweet spot.
12:38 <Cepheid> Eh.
12:38 <Cepheid> I already carry a massive tote bag with textbooks and stuff anyways.
12:39 <AppleDash> Jackie2: Here you go https://gpd.hk/gpdpocket
12:39 <AppleDash> I have enjoyed my ASUS laptops in the past, both older ones (from about 2012) and newer ones (from 2018)
12:39 <AppleDash> I currently use a ThinkPad because they seem to make the best
12:40 <Cepheid> Hmm.
12:41 <Cepheid> The problem I've had with this laptop has been more in physical construction and hardware issues.
12:41 <Cepheid> Like I said, CPU fan runs 24/7 at 100%.
12:41 <Cepheid> Doesn't matter what the load.
12:41 <AppleDash> Seems like a software issue.
12:41 <Cepheid> It's not.
12:41 <Cepheid> I restored it to factory settings, the problem persisted.
12:41 <Cepheid> I tried various approaches to fix it, nothing works.
12:42 <Cepheid> It's probably a broken sensor.
12:42 <Jackie2> Why people think HP is bad at laptops
12:42 <Cepheid> Hmm.
12:42 <Cepheid> No idea.
12:42 <Cepheid> But HPs aren't a bad brand, nor are Dells, depending on what you want and/or need.
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12:43 <AppleDash> My issue was that both Dell and HP charged more for less spec when I was shopping for this laptop :P
12:45 <Cepheid> Yeah, they do markup.
12:45 <Cepheid> Gotta watch out for that.
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12:45 <AppleDash> Also, I personally don't really care about size. I use a 17" laptop that barely fits in my bag and is significantly heavy.
12:45 <Cepheid> I've got them beat a tad at their game though, as I examined how their system works, and how I can get higher specs for cheaper. Also, my dad gets a 5% discount with Dell as he has a contract with them to do laptop repairs.
12:46 <Cepheid> I prefer 13" myself. 1920x1080 resolution on it is good enough for me in terms of DPI and such.
12:46 <Jackie2> Gaming laptops are something I don't need to spend on
12:47 <Jackie2> AppleDash, playing Doom on that thing though lol
12:47 <AppleDash> I also dislike how a lot of mid to high end laptops seem to have metal bodies now. Hate that. The highest end ThinkPad offered still has a plastic body, and I can drop it all day without denting it unlike metal ones.
12:49 <Cepheid> I have to agree with the issue of metal frames, though for a different reason.
12:49 <Cepheid> Metal frames seem to collect my "grime" more readily.
12:49 <Cepheid> So the surface tends to become oily and slick more easily.
12:51 * ConfusionRift replaces the metal frame with really glossy plastic.
12:51 <Cepheid> Hmm, interesting. Supposedly, the event that's being reported as "unsupported" is *SUPPOSED* to be supported under Linux. Either that, or this set of patches was never accepted for the kernel.
12:52 <Cepheid> Looks like it may have actually gotten removed at some point.
12:53 <Jackie2> https://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/laptops/12-innovative-and-ground-breaking-laptops-that-dared-to-be-different-1312887
12:53 <Cepheid> ..
12:53 * Cepheid sighs.
12:54 <Cepheid> My cat finally joined me on the chair for the first time in two weeks.
12:54 <Cepheid> The dog came rushing up and scared him off.
12:54 <Jackie2> Why do you have both cat and dog
12:54 <Cepheid> My sister came home for six weeks while she's not working. Summer break for her students.
12:55 <Cepheid> She brought her dog with her.
12:55 <Jackie2> Oh a teacher
12:55 <Cepheid> She teaches grade school to native children up in Igloolik.
12:57 <Cepheid> So, from what I can see in the kernel code..
12:57 <Cepheid> Event 0x84 was supported at one point in it's history.
12:57 <Cepheid> But then somehow, it wasn't.
12:57 <Cepheid> Sounds like a regression to me.
12:58 <Cepheid> My guess is, based on the original patch information that *DID* handle it, that a restructuring occurred to the thermal code.
12:58 <Cepheid> And during that restructuring, the relevant event handling code was removed.
12:59 <ConfusionRift> Whoops.
12:59 <AppleDash> Maybe it just isn't needed?
13:00 <Cepheid> Probably.
13:00 <Cepheid> Given what I see in other Intel-based chipset code, it looks like an event reported to the system is "power adapter plugged in" and "power adapter unplugged"
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13:00 <Cepheid> So it could just be a state change of charging.
13:00 <Cepheid> That is, is it charging? Or is it not charging?
13:01 <Cepheid> Let's find out.
13:01 <Cepheid> ...
13:02 <Cepheid> I'm gonna say something controversial.
13:02 <Cepheid> But I think the fan issue may have been caused by Linux.
13:02 <Cepheid> Apparently, event 0x84 is related to an _TRT table change in ACPI.
13:02 <Cepheid> This is supposed to handle cooling.
13:03 <Cepheid> Well, cooling, power control and such.
13:04 * Cepheid does some more digging to find out what exactly that ACPI table does.
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13:07 <Cepheid> According to the ACPI spec, event 0x84 is reserved.
13:07 <Cepheid> Which means Intel's outside the spec.
13:08 <Cepheid> "_TRT: Table of values that convey the Thermal Relationship between devices." Hence TRT. "Thermal Relationship Table"
13:11 <Cepheid> It's a table of information that describes the thermal influence of the loading(usage) that a source device has on a target device, in terms of temperature change per watt, and how to control cooling in response to these changes.
13:11 <Lumindia> o.o
13:11 <Lumindia> I understand none of that
13:12 <Cepheid> Basically, how to adjust the cooling system according to the load of a device.
13:12 <Cepheid> That is, the hotter a device gets, the stronger the cooling. The cooler a device gets, the weaker the cooling, etc.
13:12 <Cepheid> It's meant for powersaving.
13:15 <Cepheid> In any case, the event 0x84 is Intel-specific, and no one knows what it is, and finding information on it's difficutl.
13:16 <Cepheid> https://01.org/intel%C2%AE-dynamic-platform-and-thermal-framework-dptf-chromium-os/overview Looks like it might be related to this though.
13:18 <Cepheid> Yeah, it is.
13:20 <ConfusionRift> Urgh, sleep time. Laters.
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13:44 <Cepheid> In any case, looks like it's nothing big. Just thermal stuff.
13:44 <Cepheid> So it's irrelevant.
13:45 <RazorSharpFang> Cepheid, run a sterling engine on the heatsink. :3
13:45 <Cepheid> Heh.
13:45 <RazorSharpFang> Infinite Energy. :3
13:45 <Cepheid> Given that the CPU jumps up to 80-90 degrees C under load..
13:45 <Cepheid> I could probably prepare some tea, yes.
13:45 <Cepheid> Warm tea, anyways.
13:46 <RazorSharpFang> You can get sterling engines that run on very low temperature differences, but they have less power-to-weight than the ones that run on bigger temperature differences.
13:46 <Cepheid> This is under full CPU load.
13:46 <Cepheid> Under single-core, no-threading load, it's a little lower, the temperature.
13:46 * Cepheid offlined core 2, and threads 3 and 4.
13:46 <Cepheid> I wanted to test something, as apparently Lenovo laptops are throttled at the CPU.
13:47 <Cepheid> And they use a similar CPU to what's in my laptop, so..
13:47 <Cepheid> Turns out it's not throttled.
13:48 <Cepheid> ... Although I MAY not be right about that.
13:48 <Cepheid> Oh, no. It's not being throttled.
13:48 <Cepheid> 2Ghz is the base speed. 3.6Ghz is the boost speed.
13:48 <Cepheid> Er, 3.1Ghz.
13:48 <RazorSharpFang> If your CPU is melting it's too hot. :3
13:49 <Cepheid> Does get throttled, though thermally.
13:49 <Cepheid> The limit is 100C, and the CPU is hitting it under full load.
13:56 <Cepheid> Hum.
13:57 <Cepheid> Looks like Intel's specs on the CPU are valid.
13:57 <Cepheid> It draws no more than 15W at full load at base speed of 2GHz.
13:57 <Cepheid> Granted, for whatever reason, the CPU is actually limited to 1.9GHz when I disable turbo boost.
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14:00 <Cepheid> Truth told, I'm not 100% sold on the turbo boost stuff, just yet, even after all these years. I mean, there must be a time cost in regards to switching speeds, among other things. And depending on how frequently that happens.. But, meh, that's just me.
14:03 <ADragonHoarding> what even is it
14:05 <Cepheid> Basically, when the CPU, or a CPU core, is put under considerable load, the CPU can increase the maximum speed of the CPU to handle the increased load.
14:05 <ADragonHoarding> ah
14:05 <Cepheid> Usually, the amount of increase is dependent on the CPU itself, how many cores it has, and how many cores are already being boosted.
14:06 <ADragonHoarding> and also heat handling.
14:06 <Cepheid> For example, this CPU has a max turbo boost speed of 3.1GHz. If only one core is doing work, it'll max out at 3.1GHz. If all cores are doing work, it'll be closer to around 2.6 to 2.9
14:08 <Cepheid> Officially it's supposed to be useful, but I actually wonder about the benefits of it altogether, as there's more going on under the hood than is immediately apparent. Presumably the benefits outweigh the negatives though, so yeah.
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14:53 <Cepheid> Hum..
14:53 <Cepheid> I tried to do an EC reset using both approaches detailed by ASUS. No luck on fan speed control. Tried unseating and reseating the fan cable. No luck.
14:53 <Cepheid> I can't see anything on this side of the system board. I'm wondering if I should take the time to examine the other side.
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15:07 <Cepheid> Not gonna go that far.
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15:07 <Cepheid> 'Sides, underside likely has nothing I can poke at.
15:30 <Schism> Heh, couple Rogers contractors dropped by and I gave em a few tips and observations. They agreed with me that, yeah, top of a series-wired building... you don't want that.
15:31 * Schism is on Bell now for a very good reason.
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15:45 <LibrarianofHope> morning
15:45 <LibrarianofHope> i woke up with a crushing headache
15:54 <Cepheid> Hmm. Did some research. Mucinex might be a worthwhile medication to try for my allergies(?)/sinuses/chest.
15:55 <Cepheid> It's an medication with an antihistamine, an expectorant, and used for breathing problems and allergies combined.
16:03 <ADragonHoarding> It also uses a fat green booger in an a-shirt in its advertising campaigns.
16:06 <Cepheid> Heh.
16:07 <LibrarianofHope> seems effective, you remembered
16:07 <ADragonHoarding> eh...
16:07 <ADragonHoarding> except I've never bought it
16:07 <ADragonHoarding> and wouldn't, unless recommended it
16:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Compilation Album: The Experimental Bronies & noise.horse - Out of Limit 4: The Philosophy of Time [ http://tinyurl.com/yy2234tw ]
16:07 <LibrarianofHope> marketing is more of an art cause of that, sort of shotting in the dark
16:07 <ADragonHoarding> effective in terms of brand recognition, but not particularly effective in getting to buy the thing.
16:07 <Cepheid> It needs to be a medicine that A) Has an antihistamine in it, B) An expectorant, and C) Isn't addictive.
16:08 <ADragonHoarding> I definitely would never ask my doctor about any medication advertised to me.
16:08 <ADragonHoarding> I would instead ask my doctor about how to deal with X problem
16:09 <LibrarianofHope> yeah, but it works for over the counter stuff
16:09 <ADragonHoarding> But then, I grew up in a somewhat medical family.
16:09 <LibrarianofHope> me too, my dad wanted to be a heart surgeon
16:09 <LibrarianofHope> he had a full scholarship to UCLA and everything
16:09 <Cepheid> Actually, hmm. It seems I've used it in the past, then.
16:10 <LibrarianofHope> but gave it up to be with my grandfather before he died
16:10 <Cepheid> Benylin-E, Benylin-E Extra Strength Chest Congestion, Robitussin Extra Strength.
16:10 <Cepheid> These are the medicines I've tried.
16:10 <Cepheid> Most of them have been effective.
16:10 <LibrarianofHope> but he ended up working with looots of doctors and surgeons on the insurance industry
16:11 <LibrarianofHope> you would be amazed by our medicine collection owo
16:11 <LibrarianofHope> would you like me to ask someone about that Cepheid?
16:11 <LibrarianofHope> i most have a proper dr to ask that on ahnd
16:11 <LibrarianofHope> hand
16:12 <Cepheid> Nah, I'm good.
16:13 <LibrarianofHope> ok, do tell me if i can help you on that, not much of a problem to do
16:16 <LibrarianofHope> i got my budget for the cover of the Novel
16:16 <LibrarianofHope> 320 american dollars
16:17 <LibrarianofHope> granted, its a fantastic designer and he really gets my ideas
16:17 <LibrarianofHope> and i have a coupon
16:18 <ADragonHoarding> nice
16:19 <LibrarianofHope> my plans are finally coming along, im very happy
16:19 <LibrarianofHope> shower time brb
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16:49 <ADragonHoarding> Ali!
16:49 <Ali> Hmmm?
16:50 * Cepheid flopples off to take a much-needed shower.
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16:51 * Ali boops ADragonHoarding
16:51 * ADragonHoarding boops back
16:51 <ADragonHoarding> I haven't said hi in a while, just wanted to.
16:52 <ADragonHoarding> Work is slow right now, so.
16:53 <Ali> Ah still boops!
16:53 * Ali boops ADragonHoarding again and snickers
16:54 * ADragonHoarding attaches bow to Ali
16:55 <Schism> Finwe: getting a 5-han hand with 3 uradora tiles just feels wrong. o3o;
16:55 <Ali> Schism, MTG for some reason is reprinting some of the Leylines from M11
17:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: More Pony References and "Butt Stallion" in New Borderlands 2 DLC [ http://tinyurl.com/y6apu73o ]
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17:19 * Ali squeaks and is taken out.
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17:24 * Finwe nodnods at Schism.
17:24 <Finwe> Mlles Ali, Surreal_Nightmares and DashedRainbows; Messrs LibrarianofHope, Cepheid and Schism.
17:24 * Finwe doffs his hat.
17:24 * Ali doffs over Finwe
17:24 * LibrarianofHope doffs ali
17:25 <Cepheid> Hum. I'm making progress on my little X11 library.
17:25 * Finwe noms on Ali in general.
17:29 <ADragonHoarding> I played some Commander MTG.
17:29 <ADragonHoarding> A friend of mine built me a deck around Animar.
17:30 <ADragonHoarding> It is ... very strong.
17:30 <ADragonHoarding> (I don't have the physical deck, this was all on ... I forget the name of the program)
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17:39 <Cepheid> Bloody hell, X devs
17:40 <Cepheid> All requests are in the form of 1 byte, being the major opcode, an unused byte, then two bytes indicating the request length in multiples of 4.
17:40 <Cepheid> Problem is, the devs were morons.
17:40 <Cepheid> They abuse the unused byte in the header to occasionally store data.
17:42 <Cepheid> Fine, I can solve this problem too.
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17:54 <ADragonDreaming> Are you going to Scarborough fair?
17:55 <Cepheid> Hmm?
17:55 <ADragonDreaming> Parsley, Sage, Rosemary, and Thyme
17:56 <LibrarianofHope> is that an acronym trick or you do need spices?
17:56 <ADragonDreaming> Remember me to one who lives there / for she once was a true love of mine
17:56 <ADragonDreaming> (song lyrics. Oooooooooold song)
17:57 <LibrarianofHope> ohh
17:57 <LibrarianofHope> let me run some phrases by you please, just tell me what you like best
17:58 <LibrarianofHope> Burn Away your fate
17:58 <LibrarianofHope> A Future Born of Fire
17:58 <LibrarianofHope> A Future Wrought Of Fire
17:58 <LibrarianofHope> Fire will Change the Future
17:58 <LibrarianofHope> thats it
17:59 <Hat> Scarborough Fair; do you have a favourite rendition?
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18:14 <ADragonDreaming> LibrarianofHope: everything changed when the fire nation attacked?
18:14 <Ali> Oh look a wild Hat
18:14 <ADragonDreaming> Honestly I like the first option best, Burn Away your Fate
18:14 <Ali> And now for tradition~
18:14 <Ali> !hat
18:14 <DerpyBot> May I take your hat, sir?
18:14 <DerpyBot> May I take your hat?
18:15 <Hat> OK
18:15 <ADragonDreaming> or, if you tweak the third: A Future Wrought in Fire
18:15 <Hat> I'm catching up. I saw Shadow Play and just now the 2017 movie
18:15 <LibrarianofHope> i like that
18:15 <ADragonDreaming> As for Scarborough Fair renditions, the only one I'm really familiar with is the one by Simon and Garfunkel.
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18:17 <Hat> I really like the one by Amy Nuttall (probably can't find it online though not a popular artist)
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18:24 <Finwe> !hat
18:24 <DerpyBot> May I take your hat, sir?
18:24 <DerpyBot> May I take your hat?
18:24 <Finwe> Eeenope.
18:24 * Finwe wears Hat.
18:24 <Hat> It's Finwe o7
18:26 <LibrarianofHope> equestria is landlocked no?
18:27 <ADragonDreaming> if you take that one map to be canon, no.
18:27 <ADragonDreaming> https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/Equestria
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18:32 <Cepheid> So, like, what in the heck is going on with my waist and weight? Bought a new belt last monday, it was tight at 2 holes. Now I'm already up to 4 holes.
18:43 <Hat> Maybe it is water retention
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18:48 <Cepheid> Possibly.
18:49 <Cepheid> But I've been dropping inches off my waist quite rapidly over the last couple weeks since starting my job.
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19:00 * LibrarianofHope glomps da bacon haired one
19:01 <LibrarianofHope> i remembered i had some dr who funko stuff and i just outted it up for sale
19:01 <ADragonHoarding> does the job get you moving?
19:01 <LibrarianofHope> i need funds
19:01 <ADragonHoarding> what is the job?
19:01 <LibrarianofHope> inventory i think
19:02 <Cepheid> Inventory counting.
19:02 <Cepheid> Essentially, I'm crouching, kneeling, getting up and down and walking around a lot.
19:02 <Cepheid> So that probably has something to do with the loss of inches and building of muscle to keep my weight in balance while I get skinnier.
19:02 <Cepheid> As it is, I'm down to about size 37-38 pants again.
19:03 <ADragonHoarding> Yes.
19:03 <Cepheid> Haven't been down to that since... early college?
19:03 <ADragonHoarding> You are exercising, essentially.
19:06 <Cepheid> More or less.
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19:15 <LibrarianofHope> work work work
19:15 <LibrarianofHope> fun times
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19:17 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Silver Quill: Let's Review: The Cosmos Arc [ http://tinyurl.com/yyndr9lb ]
19:18 <LibrarianofHope> im so happy i can finaly see the beginning of my path , its aligning
19:19 <LibrarianofHope> imma need to work my butt off, but its finally working
19:21 <SunsetShimmer> To quote Torbjorn...Hard work pays off
19:22 <LibrarianofHope> he also is quoted with treating being called a dward as ali to being cute, but good quote
19:22 <LibrarianofHope> owo
19:22 <SunsetShimmer> x3
19:23 * Ali flails
19:23 * Ali also grabs SunsetShimmer and snuggles
19:27 * SunsetShimmer snuggles upon Ali with mucho affection
19:27 * LibrarianofHope glomps the ali and the bacon
19:32 * DashedRainbows sits on Ali and looks at her with teary eyes
19:32 * Ali whines at storming coming and poofs to hide somewhere.
19:32 <SunsetShimmer> Oh dear
19:38 <LibrarianofHope> wut?
19:40 <SunsetShimmer> She's dealing with to'nadoze
19:41 <LibrarianofHope> ahhh!
19:41 * LibrarianofHope hugs dashed
19:42 * DashedRainbows squees
19:42 * DashedRainbows licks LibrarianofHope
19:47 <LibrarianofHope> i cant think of any good uplifting silly thing in this case
19:47 <LibrarianofHope> just stay safe
20:06 <Hat> I still prefer IRC over Discord
20:07 <DashedRainbows> I prefer matrix over those but meh
20:08 <Hat> I haven't heard about matrix
20:16 * Ali ish not dealing with twisters, just thunderstorms and they spook her cause loud noises are loud and her poor ears aren't good with loud.
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20:32 <LibrarianofHope> i dont mind thunder too much
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20:32 <LibrarianofHope> the building density around me means the chances a thunder not hitting a lightingrod is very small
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20:38 <PinkieShy> >_>
20:38 <PinkieShy> My day in a nutshell so far: went to bed last night at 12:45, woke at 4:30 couldn't get back to sleep went to the dentist at 8:30 and found out no cavities so yay there, took maybe a 3 hour nap..
20:38 <Finwe> Mr PinkieShy.
20:39 * Finwe doffs his hat.
20:39 <PinkieShy> Had McDonalds for breakfast XD
20:39 * PinkieShy hugs Finwe
20:39 * Finwe snuggles a PinkieShy.
20:40 <PinkieShy> at least i got my refund now from affirm.. :)
20:46 <PinkieShy> Now that ibuypower stuff in my life is history.. now comes a longer wait time but.. sometimes a wait time is better :)
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21:08 <Cepheid> Go figure. First chest I open in Terraria, Hermes Boots.
21:08 <ADragonHoarding> they let you fly?
21:08 <Cepheid> Run really fast, actually.
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21:14 <Ali> Of course Cepheid is playing Terraria
21:14 <Ali> I do like that game but I can't beat the moonlord T.T
21:15 <Cepheid> Hum. Won't say no to a spelunker potion.
21:16 <PinkieShy> Never played it here. :P
21:17 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #3013 [ http://tinyurl.com/yxk4m9tl ]
21:20 <Cepheid> Essentially 2D minecraft with more to do.
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21:46 <Cepheid> Lookit that, magic mirror.
21:59 <Schism> Yay, first dan in Mahjong.
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22:05 <Cepheid> Well hello there corrupted landscape.
22:07 <Ali> KILL IT WITH FIRE
22:12 <Cepheid> Another day.
22:12 <ADragonHoarding> stop it with sunflowers.
22:13 <ADragonHoarding> after all, it's just the corruption, not the crimson.
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22:19 <LibrarianofHope> i leave for a bit and stuff is getting lit on fire
22:19 <LibrarianofHope> where do i line for the burning
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22:47 <PinkieShy> So..
22:47 <PinkieShy> Something unexpected happened.. O.o
22:47 <PinkieShy> My landlord was out by the house earlier looking around on the outside without me knowing heh
22:48 <PinkieShy> At least they are trying to figure out about the roof. :)
22:49 <Schism> aaaaaaagh. I'm not terribly upset at the latest mahjong round, despite losing to a DOUBLE RON. I am, however, annoyed that nowhere in that game could I win a single round.
22:50 <Schism> Also, the dealer won like, five rounds in a row. :<
22:52 * LibrarianofHope drinks ron
22:55 <Schism> Cepheid: Hmm, Thorium updated at the start of May...
22:55 <Cepheid> Hmm?
22:55 <Cepheid> Ah, mod for Factorio?
22:55 <Schism> The Thorium modpack is a high-end one for Terraria.
22:55 <Cepheid> To be honest, I'd have to wait.
22:55 <Cepheid> I've never actually made it past the Eye of Cthulhu.
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22:56 <Schism> Oh. Well, even before you get to the Eye, there's a lot of QoL enhancements.
22:57 <Schism> Few new biomes, some extra stuffs.
23:00 <PinkieShy> well Ibuypower shortened me money on my refund :/
23:01 <LibrarianofHope> on what grounds?
23:01 <PinkieShy> Was suppose to get $85 and $32 back on my card because of 'part upgrades' i did on my order when i did it orginally.
23:01 <PinkieShy> They instead gave me back $65 and $32
23:01 <LibrarianofHope> where the 20 bucks go
23:01 <LibrarianofHope> '
23:01 <PinkieShy> I'm not going to call them or company... They are not worth it..
23:02 <PinkieShy> I'm guessing its probably over something stupid over a box to their keyboard and mouse that I threw out.. But they did get their keyboard and mouse back.
23:02 <PinkieShy> Just not the OG back they came in.. Which is stupid if its over a box..
23:02 <Finwe> o3o
23:02 <Schism> Cepheid: Should I perhaps join you with a new character? o3o;
23:03 <LibrarianofHope> finwe its 2 am for you
23:03 <PinkieShy> LibrarianofHope at least i didn't end up like some others i saw in reviews online i guess.. Some reviewers say they charged the person like a 15% restock fee..
23:03 <LibrarianofHope> go sleep, you have math stuff to do
23:03 <LibrarianofHope> thtas why one reads the fine print on the important stuf
23:04 <LibrarianofHope> i myslef going to spend like a hundredbuckson copyright stuff just out of paranoia
23:05 <Cepheid> Honestly I'm thinking another time might be better for multiplayer stuff.
23:05 <Cepheid> I was woken up very early this morning and I don't feel too great now.
23:05 * Schism nods. "Oh, and here's the Thorium Mod for later. https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/the-thorium-mod.40788/
23:05 <Cepheid> I found it's wiki.
23:05 <Schism> Hope you feel better soon... I think I might be flopping myself shortly.
23:06 * DashedRainbows flops on the PinkieShy
23:06 * PinkieShy hugs DashedRainbows
23:06 <Cepheid> Well, I got the new medicine, so we'll see how that fares.
23:06 * DashedRainbows barks
23:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: June $13 TeePublic Shirt Sale Going on This Week - 50+ New Pony Designs [ http://tinyurl.com/yy7bnyak ]
23:07 <Cepheid> Hmm.
23:08 <Cepheid> Rather than an overhaul, it is an... enhancement of the game, Thorium.
23:08 <Cepheid> ... Which even seems to have been added to by the devs.
23:09 <Schism> Oh, yeah, it's purely enhancement-based, rather than a total conversion. A few more bosses, a lot more items, some ores, some furniture, some NPCs. An expansion more than anything else.
23:10 <Cepheid> Right, bookmarked for later perusal. Should look into whether a similar mod exists for Starbound. Speaking of, that got an update recently.
23:11 <Schism> Yeah, Starbound has a similar one with FrackinUniverse.
23:11 <PinkieShy> Can't decide.. if a cup of sweet tea is enough to keep me awake until at least 1:30
23:12 <PinkieShy> or if i should just get a cup of coffee and hope the caffeine wears off by then :P
23:12 <PinkieShy> Maybe tea is the better option honestly...
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23:14 <Schism> Cepheid: FU is like Starbound x2. It's simply absurd, and makes the whole progression MUCH harder.
23:15 * LibrarianofHope picks up the eee and jugles them
23:15 <Cepheid> Heh.
23:15 * Schism provides the Changeling_Nightmares with some frozen mango ice!
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23:15 * Filly_Nightmares eees at LibrarianofHope and kneads Schism and lickies up ice!
23:16 <Cepheid> Github hosted mod. Interesting idea.
23:16 <Schism> Yeah, there are worse choices.
23:17 <Schism> Considering it still requires the original binaries to run, it fits well there.
23:17 <PinkieShy> hmm
23:17 <LibrarianofHope> technical question, you can mess with the hml stuff of a page?
23:17 <PinkieShy> I wonder if i still have some of the tiny teabags.. IF so i'll fix me a hot cup of tea :3
23:18 <LibrarianofHope> i just read something along those lines on a kindle marketing book, to make my book page better somehow
23:18 <Cepheid> Nah, the reason I consider it an interesting idea is that it makes it makes it more accessible to changes.
23:18 <LibrarianofHope> leaf juice
23:20 <LibrarianofHope> on tea subjects, i wonder how ritual grade matcha tastes like
23:21 <Cepheid> Ritualistic.
23:21 <Schism> Cepheid: If you decide to run an FU/FR server for Starbound, lemme know what mods I'll need. I trust you'll probably want to play a catlike race. o3o;
23:22 <Cepheid> Heh. Will do.
23:23 <Schism> That or you'll run a Floran. o5o;
23:24 <LibrarianofHope> i called my catlike race Felix Wildkin
23:24 <LibrarianofHope> does that make sense?
23:24 <LibrarianofHope> havent really worked on them yet, lots of stuff
23:24 <PinkieShy> Tea is done :)
23:24 <Schism> Yes, but you should probably watch the film "Wilder Napalm" sometime.
23:24 <PinkieShy> Used my Keurig for the hot water :D
23:24 <LibrarianofHope> tea got angry?
23:25 <Schism> PinkieShy, this is the best use of a keurig. o3o;
23:25 <LibrarianofHope> fancy machine
23:25 <LibrarianofHope> i kinda always wanted a sodastream, i wanna make my own soda
23:27 <Cepheid> Hum. News never did cover what happened over on Page road. Guess it wasn't that big a deal.
23:28 <Schism> That, or they're not yet sure what happened.
23:36 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
23:36 <Cepheid> Right then, let's see if this stuff works at all.
23:39 <Cepheid> If it works, we can confirm it's likely allergies, and that I'll have to drop $300 on a vial to try immunotherapy again.
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23:50 <Schism> The new Filly_Nightmares studio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANdDIDQ2rc
23:50 * Filly_Nightmares eeeeeeeeee!
23:51 * Filly_Nightmares pushes her head into Schism tummy
23:51 * Schism patpats, and pours tea into floof. Iced tea!
23:52 * Filly_Nightmares eees and bounces at Schism excitedly!
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