00:02 * PinkieShy hands everyone some brownies fresh from the oven
00:07 <Lumindia> @Cepheid: ???, ham, and ?????
00:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: The Beginning of Harmony: Teaser [ http://tinyurl.com/y2bu8hun ]
00:16 <Lumindia> ...
00:16 <Lumindia> Ceph, do you have a youtube channel?
00:20 <Jackie> There are 80^360 combinations of music
00:20 <Lumindia> o wo Issa Jackie!
00:20 * Lumindia hug!
00:21 <Jackie> 1 followed by 680 zeroes
00:21 <Lumindia> that's a lot of zeroes
00:21 <Lumindia> how'd you get that number?
00:21 <Lumindia> or rather, what's this number based off
00:26 <Jackie> https://www.quora.com/Mathematically-how-many-songs-can-be-created
00:33 * Lumindia absconds with Jackie for bedtime snuggles
00:33 * Jackie licks Lumindia
00:33 <Lumindia> mrglm
00:34 * Lumindia dozes off against Jackie
00:34 <Cepheid> I do Lumin. But I haven't used it for much.
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01:13 <Cepheid> I would not mind seeing a remake of Metroid Fusion for the Switch, after pulling the ending stunt they did for Metroid Samus Returns.
01:16 <Jackie> tbh
01:17 <Cepheid> Hell at this point, even a Super Metroid remake would work, to fill out the last of the games needing a remake.
01:18 <Jackie> I would love making video game music remix using mod trackers
01:20 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Comics: Lifetime Tick / Parallel Universe / Other side #2 / Shadows #48 / Buns and Guns #3 / [ http://tinyurl.com/y4cpvgu3 ]
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01:23 * Filly_Nightmares wiggles onto Jackie lap
01:30 * Schism awakens.
01:30 * Schism also boops Lumindia with a WAR78,
01:31 <Schism> Halp. I want to hire another retainer, but I know I shouldn't.
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01:44 <PinkieShy> sigh..
01:45 <PinkieShy> Looks like i might not be able to do VRChat werewolf for a while or much of it..
01:45 <PinkieShy> Like some others with bad hardware that can't really do big worlds.. :(
01:45 <PinkieShy> Until i get a better PC that is at least a Ryzen 5 minimum.
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02:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #1876 [ http://tinyurl.com/y3p5r3qx ]
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03:59 * Schism completes POTD 1-10 with a party. o3o
03:59 * Schism also snugs the Ali, and provides a maple glazed donut!
04:00 * Ali noms donut, is still hungry
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04:11 * Ali squeaks at DashedRainbows
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04:19 * DashedRainbows sniffs Ali and gallops off
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04:31 * Schism opens the loot boxen from the POTD. "Firework, firework... 10,000 gil, and a pet. I guess that's worth it!"
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04:36 <PinkieShy> Oh my god!!!!!
04:36 <PinkieShy> My tweet!!!! :O
04:36 <PinkieShy> Was featured on poketips on Youtube!!! :D
04:36 <PinkieShy> a youtuber with 283K subs.. omg..
04:37 <PinkieShy> https://youtu.be/-WvI0ex7FcY?t=438 <<< :O
04:40 <PinkieShy> That I so didn't expect.. But it did.. nice to see i was noticed :)
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04:48 * PinkieShy hugs Ali so tight
04:50 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Fanfiction: Knight of Equestria: Certainty (Update - Complete!) [ http://tinyurl.com/y5aklqw7 ]
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05:10 * Ali boops RazorSharpFang
05:18 <Ali> Schism, what weapon is best for taking out medium biters? Cause the SMG seems to be a bit weak for dealing with them in masse.
05:21 <Schism> I ... fear I haven't really done much combat in Factorio. :<
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05:23 <RazorSharpFang> The SMG is fine if you're using nuclear ammo
05:25 <Ali> RazorSharpFang, not at that tech level
05:28 <RazorSharpFang> Alternatively, you could use personal laser defense
05:29 <Ali> Not at that tech level either :P
05:29 <Ali> Also they nerfed laser defense a bit
05:30 <RazorSharpFang> It's nerfed early but it scales with upgrades to laser turrets
05:32 <Ali> And that's still a bit beyond me right now, I'm not into blue tech just yet
05:34 <Ali> I'm kinda getting close to the third rebuild phase
05:34 <Ali> I'm not happy with how clumped things are and had to work around where the deposits were
05:34 <RazorSharpFang> I've been playing Seablock for so long I forgot that ore deposits were a thing
05:36 <Ali> Would be nice to play with others again, its been since .35 since we all played
05:37 <Ali> Also I really wish they'd change accumulators to read MW instead of MJ
05:37 <RazorSharpFang> What?
05:37 <RazorSharpFang> They store energy. Energy is measured in Joules.
05:38 <Ali> Yeah but I can't read that as a 1:1 or not
05:38 <Ali> Cause I have a 8MW demand and 400MJ stored
05:38 <RazorSharpFang> That means that you can run purely on accumulators for (400 / 8 => 50) seconds
05:39 <Ali> Which is like 15% of the night cycle?
05:39 <RazorSharpFang> Something like that.
05:40 <RazorSharpFang> Me on seablock, I'm on 75% steam power and 25% renewables
05:40 <Ali> Hmmm
05:41 <Ali> Factorio Wiki says
05:41 <Ali> Night lasts for 41 seconds
05:41 <Ali> That's not counting sunrise and the sunset times
05:41 <RazorSharpFang> You mean dusk and down
05:41 <RazorSharpFang> *dawn
05:42 <Ali> same difference
05:42 <Ali> So you're saying right now I can barely survive the night on the accumulators at a 8MW demand
05:43 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, so I wouldn't decommission any steam power right now
05:43 <RazorSharpFang> Are you on vanilla?
05:44 <Ali> Eeyup
05:44 <Ali> I'm not decommishing the steam yet, just having to wait as more solar panels are made
05:45 <RazorSharpFang> Well if you use circuitry you can turn your steam power off until the accumulators are less than a threshold.
05:47 * Ali doesn't understand circuitry at all
05:48 <RazorSharpFang> It's a neat tool.
05:49 * Ali boops RazorSharpFang to please explain how to derp off the steam engines
05:52 <RazorSharpFang> Hmm.
05:53 <RazorSharpFang> There's quite a few different ways to go about it, but the gist is that when you connect an accumulator to a circuit network, it sends a signal `A` that ranges from 100 (full charge) to 0 (no charge)
05:54 <RazorSharpFang> If you connect stuff to the circuitry (green or red wiring) you can tell it to turn on (or off) when the charge level falls below a threshold.
05:54 * Ali is lost already as she smokes from her ears
05:55 <RazorSharpFang> Do you have some green wires?
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05:58 * Filly_Nightmares sneezies!
05:58 * Filly_Nightmares sneezies again!
06:03 <Golden> Bless you
06:08 * Filly_Nightmares eees at Golden and climbs on him!
06:09 * Golden pets Filly_Nightmares smiling
06:16 <Ali> I have access to wires yes RazorSharpFang
06:16 <Ali> But none of that made any sense.
06:19 <RazorSharpFang> Okay, so if you take a green wire, you can put it on an accumulator, and connect it to a pole to see its value.
06:19 * Filly_Nightmares nomfs Golden hoof
06:21 <Ali> Ok? I mean I have a ton of accumulators but it only needs to be on one RazorSharpFang?
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06:23 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, because they all go down or up together evenly.
06:24 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
06:24 * Ali nods and flops over ConfusionRift
06:24 * ConfusionRift patpats Ali. :P
06:25 <ConfusionRift> Oreo of the factory?
06:25 <Ali> I'm trying to understand circuts ConfusionRift
06:25 * Filly_Nightmares eeeeees at ConfusionRift for Oreos!
06:25 <Ali> Cause I started building solar and need to shut off the steam engines
06:26 <RazorSharpFang> The idea is to have the steam engines deactivate when there's no demand for their energy.
06:26 <RazorSharpFang> Can you show me a screenshot of your power production via steam?
06:27 <ConfusionRift> Using circuits to deactivate a pump that feeds steam to the engines only when needed?
06:27 <RazorSharpFang> I don't think pumps will be necessary
06:27 <RazorSharpFang> You can attach the circuitry to the inserters.
06:28 <ConfusionRift> To cut off the coal feed?
06:28 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah.
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06:28 <ConfusionRift> Actually, that might be easier.
06:28 * Ali headtilts
06:28 <RazorSharpFang> So, Ali, do you have a green wire connected to an accumulator and a pole?
06:29 <Ali> Yes
06:29 <RazorSharpFang> If you mouse over the pole, you should be able to see the signal it's sending.
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06:29 <RazorSharpFang> It should default to A and be 100 at full charge.
06:30 <Ali> It just says output A
06:30 <Ali> But not 100
06:30 <RazorSharpFang> Okay, now hover the cursor over the pole you connected it to.
06:30 <RazorSharpFang> You should be able to see a green A on the inspector window
06:31 <Ali> Ah, yeah that's 100
06:31 <RazorSharpFang> Now, if you connect the green wire to an inserter, you can tell the inserter to activate when A is less than 25.
06:32 <Ali> Does said green wire have to run ALL the way from the accumulators to the inserter?
06:32 <Ali> Or can it read it thru the entire power grid?
06:38 * Ali noms on a ConfusionRift ear
06:41 <ConfusionRift> I believe you have to run the cable through.
06:41 <ConfusionRift> The cable is what's sending the boolean signal.
06:42 <ConfusionRift> You also have to set the instruction to the inserter itself.
06:47 * Ali 's brain is too simple to understand as she sits there with heavy smoke from her ears.
06:48 * Filly_Nightmares licks Ali face
06:48 <RazorSharpFang> Ali, the wire must be placed from pole-to-pole until you reach the target inserter
06:48 * Ali boops Filly_Nightmares, only snuggles please
06:48 <Ali> Ewww
06:48 <Ali> My power plant for solar is nowhere near the steam engines
06:48 <RazorSharpFang> You can place a single accumulator right next to the steam engines for convenience.
06:51 <ConfusionRift> Wait. I'm guessing the idea is to cut off steam production once the accumulators are full?
06:52 <RazorSharpFang> Something along those lines, rather activate the steam production when the accumulators are less than 25% full.
06:52 <ConfusionRift> Aaaah.
06:58 <RazorSharpFang> So if you connect up the accumulator to the pole, and the pole to the inserter, you can configure the inserter to activate when A (power level) is less than 25 (%)
07:02 <RazorSharpFang> If you use this https://i.imgur.com/ftduqfv.png configuration, the inserter will only put coal (or fuel) into the boiler when the power level is less than 25%
07:04 * Ali error 404s on RazorSharpFang and stops functioning, plops onto RazorSharpFang with heavy steam coming out of her ears.
07:04 <RazorSharpFang> Show us a screenshot of your current setup? :3
07:08 <ConfusionRift> The idea is to put an accumulator near the steam engines, to use as an easy read of all the accumulators on the factory. Then. move a green (or some colored) wired from the accumulator, to the inserters feeding coal to the boilers. Then, using RSF's configuration, tell the inserter to start only when the power is near 25%.
07:08 <ConfusionRift> I think?
07:09 <RazorSharpFang> Sounds about right.
07:11 * Ali stopped playing, her brain is mush, please Alt F4 to continue....
07:11 <ConfusionRift> Where are you stuck on?
07:12 <Golden> Alt F4
07:12 * ConfusionRift thuds.
07:12 * Golden blinks at ConfusionRift that was meant for Ali to continue.
07:13 <ConfusionRift> [Loading...]
07:13 <Ali> I think 3am and wiring
07:13 * Ali flops
07:13 <Golden> Ah.
07:13 <ConfusionRift> Hehehe.
07:14 <ConfusionRift> Is there an accumulator near the boiler or steam engine setup?
07:14 * Golden blinks and starts installing the update for Confusion which is a required update. Aka localization files.
07:16 * ConfusionRift goes blind. He can only see the "The system needs to restart to finish installing file." prompt. He selects to postpone.
07:17 <ConfusionRift> Everyone here? Yes? Good. I think that's worse than having a virus.
07:23 * DashedRainbows sits on Ali and barks at ConfusionRift
07:23 <Ali> ConfusionRift, no
07:25 <ConfusionRift> It would be easier to put one near the boiler setup. That way, you just have to wire it a short distance.
07:29 * Golden sits. He has no idea if they are talking about actual work, a game, or something.
07:29 <ConfusionRift> Factorio.
07:42 * Filly_Nightmares licks Golden
07:43 * Golden pets Filly_Nightmares
07:59 <Ali> God why is it so cute you can make Eevee sneeze
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08:17 <Golden> Such a silly filly
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08:54 <Koopz> Schism i carefully store all my minions in my bag without a bottom so i can't make that mistake
08:55 <Koopz> also we got a kill yesterday... my raid lead recorded it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wzgSjAxqqI
08:55 <Tirek> Greetings.
08:55 <Koopz> an salutations, my beautiful people
08:57 <Tirek> Recently, I got paid to art.
08:57 <Tirek> Something I never thought would happen
09:02 <Koopz> you art?
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09:04 <Tirek> I suppose I do.
09:05 <Tirek> Commissioner? Comissionee? Purchaser wanted something pokemon related, and this is what I came up with https://i.imgur.com/Jq2ykn3.jpg
09:05 <Tirek> I got paid $45 for it, so that was neat.
09:06 <ConfusionRift> That's a nice one.
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09:27 <Koopz> how lovely
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10:21 <Finwe> o3o
10:40 * Finwe noms on Filly_Nightmares.
10:41 * Filly_Nightmares sleepies on Koopz and uses Finwe as a blankie
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10:41 * Sleeping_Nightmares purrs
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10:56 <Lumindia> @Cepheid by chance do you make music?
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11:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1650 [ http://tinyurl.com/y2dva53p ]
11:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: My Little Pony Season 9 Episode 14 - The Last Laugh - Stream / Discuss [ http://tinyurl.com/y5omuvct ]
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13:54 <Cepheid> No I do not, Lumindia.
13:54 <Lumindia> https://www.youtube.com/user/xCepheid This is whyt I askled
13:54 <Cepheid> ... The hell?
13:54 <Cepheid> I heard firetrucks earlier, and I just saw a police officer race around the corner with his lights on.
13:55 <Lumindia> >:D
13:55 <Cepheid> Also scared the *YAY* out of me, because a person was pulling out of their driveway and didn't see the cop.
13:55 <Cepheid> Who honked his si-
13:55 <Cepheid> And there's another police car.
13:56 <Cepheid> Firetruck and two police cars, outside a home just down the street.
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14:12 <Schism> You know, I'd be upset, but it's almost a relief to know that there was a power outage this morning, likely at 7 AM.
14:13 <Cepheid> Oh?
14:13 <Jackie> https://ianring.com/musictheory/scales/2741
14:13 <Schism> Yeah, every single day there's a power outage.
14:13 <Jackie> 2741th scale
14:13 <Schism> Or it feels like that, anyway.
14:13 <Jackie> The...Major scale :D
14:19 <Schism> Rather straightforward this. https://ianring.com/musictheory/scales/images/2741-chords.png
14:22 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/jamafra1243/status/1157499694144032769
14:24 <Schism> Cepheid: Happy Caturday. Also, what.
14:24 <Jackie> Schism, ive seen weirder scales
14:25 <Cepheid> Yep, caturday, and weird things.
14:26 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/99999pr/status/1157654029675008000
14:27 <Cepheid> https://www.reddit.com/r/cats/comments/clf5q9/just_watch/?st=jyvmrxge&sh=9a158410
14:28 <Cepheid> https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/clbkm8/nathan_and_winnie_ignore_their_human_so_they_can/?st=jyvmscaf&sh=8ce7f7bd
14:33 <Cepheid> Time for coffee and drugs. o3o
14:33 <Jackie> Drugs?!
14:34 * Schism takes his daily drug.
14:34 * Schism also shoves some turkey pies into the oven.
14:39 * Schism finishes this bottle of handcrafted soda.
14:42 <Cepheid> Jackie: Prescription medication.
14:43 <Cepheid> I take vyvanse for ADHD, cymbalta for depression, a blood pressure pill, some medication for headaches, and an anti-histamine.
14:47 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/TomHall/status/1155009430385119232
14:52 <Jackie> https://plus.maths.org/content/how-many-melodies-are-there
14:52 <Jackie> Great read
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14:54 * Filly_Nightmares meow
14:56 * Filly_Nightmares lays on Jackie
14:56 <Cepheid> Due to time going on inifitely as far as we can tell, the number of melodies is infinite.
14:56 * Jackie pets Filly_Nightmares
14:56 <Cepheid> It doesn't matter how many tones there are among other things.
14:56 * Filly_Nightmares nomfs Jackie
14:56 * Filly_Nightmares sneezies!
14:57 <Jackie> It would be fun to have a computer generating all of that
15:00 <Cepheid> https://www.reddit.com/r/thisismylifenow/comments/clfnjv/lily_has_given_in_and_accepted_her_fate_as_the/?st=jyvny86x&sh=d9488f2e
15:01 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/NoContextSilent/status/1156266241704759296 And for Schism.
15:02 <Jackie> Cepheid, https://www.fakemusicgenerator.com
15:02 <Jackie> Computer generated music
15:07 <Tirek> The fact that I have to download the music before I could hear it makes me upset.
15:08 <Jackie> That's just a minor flaw
15:08 <Jackie> Otherwise it's darn cool
15:10 <Koopz> i guess you also saw that video on Youtube where one guy fed an AI with classical music and let it compose a piece by itself
15:11 <Jackie> One reason why I'm using computer generated music
15:11 <Jackie> ...
15:11 <Jackie> For inspiration
15:11 <Jackie> lol
15:14 <Koopz> there's also an anime currently airing about a pair of musicians composing music in a world where the charts are dominated by computer generated music
15:14 <Koopz> Carole & Tuesday
15:15 <Koopz> haven't watched a single episode though
15:16 * Schism offers Koopz a drink. He's a dwarf, right?
15:16 <Koopz> Lali-hoooooo!
15:17 * Koopz gladly accepts the pint of beer
15:18 <Schism> Still like the healer role quest. The tank one is boring as sin.
15:19 <Koopz> cleared physical and magical role line only
15:19 <Jackie> https://ianring.com/musictheory/scales/4095
15:20 <Jackie> I find this scale difficult
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15:30 <Cepheid> So, I am debating embarassing my sister.
15:31 <Jackie> https://ianring.com/musictheory/scales/667
15:31 <Jackie> Aw
15:31 <Jackie> No 666 scale
15:31 <Cepheid> I went to take a shower, and I found a clump of hair on my soap bar, left by my sister who had her razor blade sitting on said soap bar. The reason this is embarassing, is that my sister's legs over the last week were still smooth, as were her armpits. Which means the hair came from only one other part of her body.
15:32 <Jackie> https://ianring.com/musictheory/scales/665
15:32 <Jackie> If you go to 666
15:32 <Jackie> it will say that it's not a scale
15:32 <Jackie> So...yeah
15:34 <Cepheid> The thing is..
15:35 <Cepheid> You're limiting yourself to conventional music wisdom and knowledge.
15:35 <Cepheid> Yes, a majority of that wisdom and knowledge worked, and still works.
15:35 <Cepheid> But sticking to it is a good way to limit yourself.
15:35 <Jackie> Tbh I dln
15:35 <Cepheid> ...
15:35 <Jackie> *don'y
15:36 <Jackie> think i will need all these scales
15:36 <Cepheid> I'm just saying.
15:37 <Cepheid> You don't have to limit yourself to conventional musical concepts if you want to make music. If a given scale doesn't exist in conventional music, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's just not used because it doesn't fit conventional music.
15:37 <Jackie> So pretty much rules can be broken?
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15:37 <Schism> That was a long netsplit. o3o;
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15:38 <Jackie> So pretty much rules can be broken?
15:38 <Cepheid> I assume musical rules and conventions were created, because they worked, and they worked for musical instruments of the time.
15:38 <Jackie> I was gonna compose a song using the nonexistent 666 page XD
15:38 <Cepheid> However, newer instruments exist, and computer-generated stuff is also viable.
15:39 <Cepheid> The rules can pretty much be ignored, if you ask me.
15:39 <Cepheid> It's about whether or not it sounds good to you.
15:39 <Jackie> I'll say this
15:39 <Jackie> I don't pretty much follow scaled
15:39 <Jackie> *scales
15:39 <Jackie> I just use notes that sound good
15:40 <Cepheid> Any thoughts on what I'm saying, Schism?
15:40 <Cepheid> You're more of a musical afficianado than I am.
15:40 <Cepheid> Wouldn't surprise me if you knew how to play an instrument, at this point.
15:40 <Jackie> Well, I play a piano, a guitar, MIDI and stupid ass trackers
15:41 <Cepheid> I was speaking to Schism, but yeah, that doesn't surprise me either.
15:41 <Cepheid> I could probably play an instrument well with a bit of training, to be honest.
15:41 <Jackie> I don't really use DAWs though
15:41 <Cepheid> I have incredibly precise precision with following tempo, beats, etc.
15:42 <Schism> I'm in agreement. The rules of music are generally like social mores -- they come about seemingly at random, and can be discarded when appropriate.
15:42 <Jackie> Classical composers are known to break music theory
15:43 <Jackie> Like who would ever play 256th notes
15:43 <Schism> PDQ Bach?
15:43 <Jackie> Fast hands or blows
15:43 <Schism> (If you're a fan of musical theory, PDQ Bach is hilarious.)
15:44 <Cepheid> https://www.thelooploft.com/blogs/ryans-corner/38917697-can-you-keep-perfect-time-take-this-test-and-find-out I scored 866 out of 1000.
15:44 <Jackie> Music theory is fun
15:44 <Jackie> Just needs experiment
15:45 <Cepheid> The norms and rules of many fields are what bother me about modern society.
15:45 <Cepheid> These norms and rules were developed decades, centuries, maybe even millenia ago.
15:45 <Cepheid> While the fact that they stand the test of time is a testament to their usefulness..
15:45 <Schism> Jackie: And then you have U.N. Owen Was Her. https://musescore.com/static/musescore/scoredata/gen/2/9/4/48492/ac76fb6d414c7e28919b704fc45ce2d4a52935a8/score_2.png@1000000?fmt=webp&no-cache=1336877349
15:45 <Cepheid> Are they absolutely, positively, required to stand to this day?
15:46 <Cepheid> Advances in science, advances in thinking, advances in behaviour. These things can improve solid fields and sciences.
15:46 <Jackie> Musescore!
15:46 <Cepheid> We simply stick with what we have, because it's what we KNOW.
15:46 <Cepheid> And experimentation has a pretty good chance of leading to failure.
15:46 * Schism nodnods.
15:47 <Cepheid> So people don't want to experiment, because time is a resource we don't have much of.
15:47 <Jackie> Software that I'm useless without it
15:47 <Cepheid> Also, as someone on Twitter was pointing out, when *WE* fail at something, we offer advice to newer generations, or our colleagues, to avoid what we did.
15:47 <Cepheid> But what if the reason we failed wasn't because the experiment wasn't bad, but just because WE ARE NO GOOD AT IT?
15:47 <Cepheid> We have strengths and weaknesses.
15:48 <Cepheid> For all we know, a person could have failed at something because that something was their weakness.
15:48 <Cepheid> Then they offer advice against avoiding it, based on faulty logic.
15:48 <Cepheid> Er, against doing it*
15:48 <Jackie> That's philosophy right there
15:48 <Cepheid> I am not a philosopher.
15:49 <Cepheid> I don't know if it's the meds working again, but my mind has been thinking pretty deeply into certain things, like the above.
15:49 * Filly_Nightmares yawnskrees at Jackie
15:49 <Cepheid> I know some of my weaknesses. And if I ever tried something in them, and failed, I'd prefer to ask for assistance, than suggest others avoid it.
15:49 * Jackie rubs Filly_Nightmares' head
15:50 <Cepheid> I actually find it hilarious that one of my greatest weaknesses is intrinsically related to one of my greatest strengths.
15:51 <Cepheid> One of my greatest strengths is 2D graphics programming.
15:51 <Cepheid> But my greatest weakness is mathematics.
15:51 <Cepheid> Although, if one looks closer, they see that there's some interesting bits.
15:51 <Cepheid> If you look at what I've done math-wise, you'll notice that a lot of the math that is used in 2D graphics? I'm pretty good with it.
15:52 <Cepheid> Linear algebra. General algebra. Basic mathematics. Calculus(Differential and Integral). Multivariable Calculus.
15:52 <Cepheid> All of these sub-fields of math, I'm pretty good at.
15:53 <Jackie> Pretty sure those things are not necessary if 2D games are simple
15:53 <Cepheid> Throw me into higher-dimensional mathematics, like complex numbers, discrete mathematics and like..
15:53 <Cepheid> Heh.
15:53 <Cepheid> Simple games, yeah.
15:53 <Cepheid> Just simple boxes, axis-aligned, all that's straightforward. Though there's a bit of linear algebra anyways.
15:53 <Jackie> Pretty sure rougelikes are easy
15:53 <Cepheid> For sidescrollers, vectors for movement, such as jumping, gravity, projectile motion and the like.
15:53 <Cepheid> And yeah, there's that too.
15:54 <Cepheid> Anyways, I gotta go unfortunately. Groceries time.
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16:00 <Cepheid> Or not.
16:00 <Cepheid> Gotta wait for my sis to come home as she doesn't have a house key.
16:01 <Cepheid> And she'll be home in less than an hour.
16:03 <Jackie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Attack_Grill#Illnesses_and_deaths
16:04 <Schism> That reminds me, I should make up some of this bacon.
16:05 <Schism> The funny thing is that none of those events could actually be tied directly to the restaurant in question. Except maybe the first spokesman, who was beyond morbidly obese.
16:05 <Schism> And even then, those were complications of pneumonia.
16:12 <Cepheid> ...
16:12 <Cepheid> What are all these weird devices upon the network?
16:12 <Cepheid> They all report a MAC address of 00:00:00:00:00:00
16:18 <Cepheid> Well, whatever.
16:18 * Cepheid re-enables mac filtering.
16:20 <DashedRainbows> Good morning, horses
16:20 <Cepheid> The only reason I disabled it in the first place was my sister. o3o
16:22 <Cepheid> I'll just grab all the mac addresses from her devices afterwards, and add them.
16:22 <Cepheid> That'd be... Phone, Switch, Tablet and Laptop.
16:24 <Cepheid> I also gotta add my bulbs to the list.
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16:43 <Cepheid> While I'd love to get ship construction going, I think from here, I'm gonna work on something else for today.
16:44 <Cepheid> In this case, get a starfield going so I can tell if the ship is moving..
16:44 <Cepheid> Aaaaand...
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16:45 <Cepheid> I'd like to get a simple solar system going.
16:46 * Cepheid needs to look into mathematical noise functions for the starfield stuff. Doesn't want to generate a bunch of stars ahead of time, then figure out which ones to draw. Would rather just use a stable noise function.
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17:20 <Schism> Cepheid: what the... that MAC? I want to say 'internet of things', but even then...
17:21 * Ali flops into Schism and yawnsies
17:27 * Filly_Nightmares is going to Denver on plane! o3o
17:27 * Filly_Nightmares sneezies! _
17:27 <Ali> What cha doin in Denver Filly_Nightmares?
17:28 <Cepheid> It wasn't IoT schism.
17:28 <Cepheid> Whatever it was, it isn't working now. I re-enabled the whitelist.
17:29 <Schism> Suddenly, the TVs will be unable to connect to Netflix.
17:29 * Filly_Nightmares nomfs Ali!
17:29 <Filly_Nightmares> I dunno!
17:29 <Filly_Nightmares> Vacation!
17:29 <Filly_Nightmares> I am on flight DL2942! o3o
17:29 * Schism provides Filly_Nightmares wif an oxygen mask, because the air is thinner up in Denver!
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17:30 <Schism> https://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/scroob-air-625x350.jpg
17:36 <Ali> Schism, do you understand circuit networks in Factorio?
17:37 <Schism> I do not.
17:40 <Schism> Man, suddenly developing a conscience sucks, doesn't it? http://www.ainself.net/irony/get_medieval/get_medieval0922.gif
17:42 * Filly_Nightmares is take off soon!
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17:50 <Ali> So Schism you know Leyline of the Void? *forgets if the pony knows MTG or not*
17:50 * Schism has not been keeping up on the MTG stuff.
17:52 <Ali> It got reprinted in M20, so far I've gotten 3 of them.
18:04 <Cepheid> Mm. Ciabatta bread.
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18:26 <Ali> Cepheid, what's the advantage of blue inserters vs yellow if the input value is low?
18:26 <Cepheid> No clue, really.
18:26 <Ali> Cause I'm in transition phase 3 for my base to rezone to blue bottle production
18:26 <Ali> So I'm spamming red belts and the like
18:26 <Ali> But the gears can't keep up
18:27 <Ali> I'm just trying to figure out if there's a difference between yellow inserters vs blue
18:27 <Cepheid> Speed.
18:27 <Cepheid> BLue inserters move faster.
18:29 <Ali> I know but I wasn't sure if since the ammount needed for a gear was 1
18:29 <Ali> And it crafts slow, that the inserter wouldn't matter but looks like it does in this test
18:29 <Ali> 72vs45
18:29 <Ali> Almost twice the output
18:30 <Cepheid> For pulling out, it helps keep the output from the assembler from filling to capacity.
18:30 <Cepheid> For insertion, so long as the belts are saturated, it allows quicker input into the assembler, thus, less waiting for more resources.
18:31 <Cepheid> You'll see it being more effective for inserting into assemblers that produce 0.5 second items.
18:32 <Cepheid> Off-topic, but am I a horrible person for not caring that something in a widely popular game makes fun of/pokes at/references mental illness tropes? I suffer from mental illness, and regardless of the "negative" aspect of applying or usin those tropes, I legitimately don't care. There are worse problems in mental health to be dealing with, I find.
18:52 <Koopz> so i've gone the length and changed my FFXIV language to english instead of german...
18:53 <Koopz> Schism, doth it be normal for npc dialogues to have strange wordings?
18:53 <Cepheid> Yes.
18:53 <Cepheid> They use a form of old English mixed with new words.
18:54 <Cepheid> Like measurements are all Imperial, but with new names.
18:54 <Koopz> "Pray go on"
18:54 <Koopz> i'm an atheist, buddy
18:54 <Koopz> i'm not praying
18:54 <Koopz> i'm gonna o
18:54 <Koopz> do*
18:54 <Cepheid> Like ilm, fulm, yalm, malm, etc.
18:55 <Cepheid> Yes, Koopz. It's a game. Your character is slightly different from YOU.
18:55 <Cepheid> Honestly, the simplest solution is to acknowledge what they said, keep your mouth shut, and move on. There are worse things people can say than "Pray" to you. :P
18:57 <Koopz> "Would that i could have been of..."
18:57 <Koopz> is that... proper english
18:57 <Koopz> i never read a sentence beginning with "Would" that wasn't a question
19:00 <Koopz> yeah i should do exactly like the warrior of light: Smile and silently nod
19:04 <Cepheid> It is.
19:04 <Schism> Koopz: Oh, that's proper English, alright, but it's antiquated.
19:04 <Cepheid> It's an older form of English.
19:04 <Cepheid> Antiquated English and all that.
19:05 <Schism> "Would that I..." -> "I wish I had..."
19:05 <Schism> THIS HAVING BEEN SAID. Urianger's turns of phrase are absolute and utter bullpucky.
19:06 <Cepheid> Hum, how should I do this..?
19:07 <Koopz> well... i'm glad the german translators at least decided to keep his lines absotely ridiculous
19:07 <Koopz> absolutely*
19:07 <Schism> I'm pretty sure he uses antiquated speech in the original Japanese, too.
19:08 <Koopz> oh? was that old english a decision of the english translation team?
19:08 <Cepheid> It was probably a request from the lead dev.
19:08 <Cepheid> As it has a fantasy tone about it when used in modern days.
19:08 <Schism> It was, but he's pretty stilted in every incarnation.
19:08 <Koopz> why not care about the germans though? :D
19:09 <Schism> Koopz: So, he doesn't sound like an old man in the German translation?
19:09 <Cepheid> I dunno. Is there an archaic form of German that is still understandable by Germans to this day?
19:09 <Koopz> no i mean the old english in general, not Urianger. Urianger is the only guy in the german translation who reeks of "ye olde"
19:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: "Emporers New Groover" Fully Ponifed in "Equestria's New Groove" [ http://tinyurl.com/y5893v3u ]
19:10 <Schism> Heh. Well, the Baldesions (like Krile) aren't usually that set in their ways.
19:10 <Koopz> oh we do have our fair share of antiquated ways to say things
19:10 <Schism> Anyway. Tank 80, now to finish the last quests of Shadowbringers.
19:21 <Koopz> and thus concludes the questline of the ARR alliance raid...
19:21 <Koopz> with the current expansion having released, i've got questions though
19:23 <Koopz> afaik the gates to the tower were only able to be opened by those who have royal blood, right?
19:33 <Koopz> or so Nero says after the two opened the gate
19:35 <Koopz> if the only royal blood left sealed the crystal tower with himself in it, how is anybody supposed to open that gate ever again?
19:41 <Schism> Well, they're the monarchy. I'd be surprised if there weren't a ton of bastards.
19:43 <Schism> TBH, anything reliant on a royal bloodline is flawed from the word 'go'.
19:45 <Schism> Graha T'ia is kind of an idiot.
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19:46 <Schism> G'raha Tia*
19:47 <Schism> Adra: You're with me on this, right? If you put a lock on your door and say that it'll only open to someone of the royal bloodline, the royalty is of the male persuasion, and a thousand years pass, you can't be surprised when Random Peasant #298 touches his hand to it and it springs open, right?
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20:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Discovery Family Releases "2, 4, 6, Greaaat" Early [ http://tinyurl.com/y43zcf4y ]
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20:10 <Koopz> asked the guys on the Balance Discord and apparently Garlond Ironworks manages to open the gate in the future
20:10 <DashedRainbows> Ban DerpyBot for repeat spoilers
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20:12 <Cepheid> Huzzah, because of an OpenTK bug, I have to re-write my input system.
20:23 <Koopz> i'm pretty proud of my latest acquisition from the MGP store... i thought a turtle mount would only be appropiate for the Koopa Troopa
20:24 <Koopz> my chin hit the floor though the first time i flew with it
20:25 <Koopz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuN-XP9fbg4
20:31 <Cepheid> That looks like it'd make one vomit quickly.
20:34 <Schism> Well. ShB's obvious plot twist was obvious, but that was a really good finale.
20:42 <Schism> Oh holy balls. Cepheid, have you seen the volcanic eruption about Ooblets?
20:43 <Cepheid> I have.
20:43 <Cepheid> That's why I inquired about accepting money in certain situations.
20:44 * Ali headtilts
20:44 <ADragonDreaming> what now?
20:44 <Cepheid> Ooblets accepted funding from Epic for a temporary exclusive on their store. The devs gave a long-winded explanation that, literally, amounts to "We'd be insane not to take the money."
20:45 <Koopz> >_>
20:45 <Cepheid> Epic offered an amount of money that basically accounted for their expected forecast from all storefronts.
20:45 <Cepheid> My stance in the whole mess is pretty straightforward.
20:45 <Ali> Here I thought it was a volcano that errupted
20:46 <Ali> I was also thinking I've never heard of Mt Ooblets before
20:46 <Koopz> i hate Epic for throwing money at everything to make it exclusive
20:46 <Cepheid> I'm not making any money off of what I do right now. And as an independent developer who has yet to actually release a game, I have no current funds.
20:46 <Cepheid> I'd be insane to refuse any funding.
20:47 <Cepheid> I'm happy with developing code right now, for nothing, but it won't let me sustain myself to do so.
20:47 <ADragonDreaming> Ah.
20:48 <Cepheid> Regarding Epic throwing money at people for exclusivity..
20:48 <ADragonDreaming> While I understand developer decisions, I won't buy a game from the Epic store.
20:48 <ADragonDreaming> They need to get a shopping cart and reviews first.
20:48 <Cepheid> You mean EXACTLY like what Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft do for their consoles?
20:48 <Cepheid> Heh.
20:48 <Cepheid> See, the problem is, exclusive storefront stuff is a new thing on PCs.
20:48 <ADragonDreaming> Yep.
20:48 <Cepheid> But it's not new to consoles.
20:48 <DashedRainbows> Linux support too
20:48 <Cepheid> It's been done all the time.
20:49 <ADragonDreaming> I'd be happy for it to die in its infancy
20:49 <Koopz> or rather let me rephrase that: I hate it when game developers who said they'd release their game on basically every platform thinkable and then Epic Games comes around the corner 3 months before release, slapping the studio with a suitcase full of money
20:49 <Cepheid> It'd be nice, but it's not gonna happen.
20:49 <ADragonDreaming> and I'd be happy for it to die on console as well.
20:49 <ADragonDreaming> Console has more of an valid rason
20:49 <Cepheid> Koopz: Yeah, there is that, yeah.
20:49 <ADragonDreaming> In that there are actual hardware considerations.
20:49 <Cepheid> That is a bit of a **** move.
20:49 <ADragonDreaming> Switch is rather a different animal than XBONE, etc.
20:49 <ADragonDreaming> PC ... nah.
20:50 <ADragonDreaming> you don't even have that to hide behind.
20:50 <Cepheid> That's why I'm not saying what platform my game will be running on at the moment. Also, if Epic ever came forward to me, for some inexplicable reason, despite everything their CEO has thus far said..
20:50 <Cepheid> I'd negotiate for maintaining the intended platforms.
20:50 <ADragonDreaming> aye, see, that's the thing, I'd be fine with exclusives that were intended as exclusives from the beginning?
20:50 <Koopz> "maybe in 2 years"
20:51 <ADragonDreaming> buying exclusivity after pre-orders were made on another platform?
20:51 <Cepheid> In any case, Epic's likely never to speak to me.
20:51 <ADragonDreaming> Everyone involved can take a long walk off a short plank.
20:51 <Cepheid> I told their CEO off for starters, and they also seem to have an unimpressive view of Canadians as is.
20:51 <Koopz> unless you manage to get viral
20:51 <Cepheid> Even then.
20:52 <Cepheid> If they did come to me, there'd be another barrier for them.
20:52 <Cepheid> I'd demand a formal, public apology from Tim Cook for his comments towards Canadians.
20:53 <Cepheid> If they can't do that, then they can **** off.
20:53 <Koopz> how does the CEO of Apple relate to Epic?
20:53 <Ali> They overprice everything! *shot*
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20:54 <ADragonDreaming> Cepheid meant Tim Sweeney
20:55 <Schism> Tim Sweeney is also a major jerkface.
20:55 <Cepheid> Right, right.
20:55 <Cepheid> Tim Sweeney, sorry.
20:55 <Schism> Who really, really needs to learn to think before he tweets.
20:56 <Schism> Anyway, that's the gist. The Ooblets thing was made ever so much worse by the fact that they snarked towards the betrayed fans.
20:56 <Schism> "We were paying you hundreds of dollars on Patreon!" "But we never promised you a game, just notes about a game in development."
20:57 <Schism> And then Sweeney opened his mouth and fueled the fire even more.
20:57 <Koopz> ô_o
20:57 <Cepheid> Officially, they provided something tangible for a Patreon payment.
20:57 <Cepheid> So it's not illegal.
20:57 <Cepheid> If they never offered a game for Patreon payments, they're in the right.
20:57 <Schism> As they say, there's a difference between legal and moral.
20:58 * Cepheid shrugs.
20:58 * Schism ehs. "It's still scummy as all get-out."
20:58 <Koopz> sometimes i wonder how people like that manage to be so successful
20:58 <Cepheid> I really don't want to get into morality and legality of actions, especially regarding this issue, on the grounds that it's a morass, and no answer is right, and you're always wrong.
20:58 <Schism> Koopz: By the way, I have a stack of Walnut Lumber for 1,200 gil a pop, would you like to buy?
20:59 <Cepheid> See, if I accepted money from Epic, even after negotiating such that I get to keep the promises I made to my followers, I'd still be in the wrong.
20:59 <Cepheid> Simply because Epic has the same scummy tactics as Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft when it comes to exclusives
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20:59 <Schism> Eh. In this case, nobody's actually harmed, as it stands. However, I'm certainly not going to be buying the game now.
21:00 <Koopz> 1200? that's more than glamour prism cost
21:00 <Cepheid> I honestly thing refusing to buy a game because it was a temporary Epic Games Store exclusive is also a dick move.
21:00 <Cepheid> Guh.
21:00 <Cepheid> I'm getting agitated.
21:00 <ADragonDreaming> eh
21:00 <ADragonDreaming> I just won't buy it on Epic's store.
21:00 <Cepheid> I was writing out a snarky comment and had to stop myself from sending it.
21:01 <Schism> That's fine, I understand. I consider my refusal to be an illustrative point against the developers. That's it.
21:01 <Schism> Well, publishers.
21:01 <Cepheid> See, the way I look at it, in my field? Game development or application development?
21:01 <ADragonDreaming> on the other hand, I'd never heard of Ooblets until now
21:01 <Cepheid> Damned if you accept money for doing it. Damned if you don't.
21:02 <Cepheid> If I don't, I go bankrupt, lose my house, etc.
21:02 <Cepheid> If I accept money from anyone or anything, I'll be called a sell-out, get death threats and the like.
21:02 <Cepheid> People don't want to pay for what it is I do.
21:02 <Koopz> hmm... simply don't let it come to a bankcrupt
21:02 <Cepheid> How?
21:02 <Schism> See, there's the problem. They clearly had the game finished. They'd managed to pay their employees well enough that it got to completion.
21:03 <Cepheid> People don't want to pay for what I do. If they have to, they get all uppity, bitchy and mouthy about it.
21:03 <Cepheid> So the only way to calm them is to make it free.
21:03 <Cepheid> But that makes my life hell in return.
21:03 <Schism> If it were a struggling project where the employees were having a hard time making ends meet, okay, yeah.
21:03 <Cepheid> There's no winning.
21:03 <Schism> But yeah, it's a no-win scenario.
21:03 <Koopz> hell, i know crowdfunding left a bad taste within the last years of evil studios failing to deliver, but why not try that instead to stay independent?
21:04 <Cepheid> This is why I can't function in society. =.=;
21:04 <Schism> I think the biggest thing about the whole Ooblets project is that it was mishandled in the worst way.
21:04 <ADragonDreaming> I personally make it a point to pay for games
21:04 <Cepheid> Either way, I'm screwed. If I ask for money for what I do, I get agitated people trying to make my life hell.
21:04 <Cepheid> If I don't, well my life is screwed anyways, because I can't pay bills.
21:04 <ADragonDreaming> though I also try to demo them
21:04 <Cepheid> And I can't handle people making my life hell. Not right now.
21:05 <Cepheid> I need more work on controlling myself, and figuring out what causes the brain-snapping anger episodes.
21:05 <Cepheid> As it is, I'm all worked up now and want to vent. =.=; Breathe, Andrew, breathe.
21:05 <Schism> This isn't a case of developers asking for money up front, though. It's them asking for donations and then turning around, accepting a big donation from a corporate sponsor, and delaying the release to a great many fans in turn.
21:06 <Schism> I'd be happy to support a project which says, "Hey, we need X number of dollars to support our staff."
21:06 <Cepheid> What Epic did is invest.
21:06 <Cepheid> What the other folks did is donate.
21:06 <Cepheid> THe key here is that donation is giving money with no expectation of receiving anything in return.
21:06 <Schism> Yeah, and I do get it. It's perfectly reasonable... from a corporate standpoint.
21:06 <ADragonDreaming> And apparently what the developers did is mishandle the PR aspect of it terrible
21:06 <Cepheid> That they even got anything at all is completely different.
21:06 <ADragonDreaming> *terribly
21:06 <Cepheid> Unfortunately..
21:06 <Schism> Yeah, the PR aspect is where the rage is stemming from.
21:06 <Cepheid> Regarding the PR of asking for and/or accepting money is a dangerous game.
21:07 <ADragonDreaming> Pro tip - don't insult your fans
21:07 <Cepheid> Yeah, I know.
21:07 <Cepheid> That one seems like common sense.
21:07 <ADragonDreaming> Aye
21:07 <Schism> "We don't need the Patreon money anymore."
21:07 <Cepheid> But regardless of what you do, how you do it, no matter how polite or rude, it makes no difference in the end.
21:07 <Koopz> it may be a bit too late now but Epic should've pumped a few million dollars into KyoAni to make it Epic exclusive
21:07 <Cepheid> You accept money from Epic, or any other big-name investor, you will get hate.
21:07 <Cepheid> If you make your game paid, you will get hate.
21:08 <Cepheid> If you don't even make your game open-source, you'll get hate.
21:08 <Schism> Well, that latter is stupid. It was always going to be a paid game.
21:08 <Schism> I mean, c'mon, /duh./
21:08 <ADragonDreaming> they probably got _that_ hate earlier in the patreon process
21:08 <Cepheid> Game development, software development, anything relating to development of software on a computer..
21:08 <Cepheid> It's a nightmare.
21:08 <Schism> It's money money money makes the world go round~
21:08 <Cepheid> People want everything done either for free, or for less.
21:09 <Cepheid> All people see us doing is sitting at our powerhouse computers, typing every day.
21:09 <Schism> Fast, Cheap, Good. Pick one.
21:09 <ADragonDreaming> I like Cory Doctorow's idea. Rather than forcing open source software, force the allowance of adversarial interoperability.
21:09 <Cepheid> And thanks to companies like Unity, Game Maker and so on..
21:09 <Cepheid> Which make it look easier to make a game?
21:09 <Cepheid> Well, "what the hell are we paying you for if it's this easy to make a game?"
21:09 <Cepheid> Also applies to applications, thanks to frameworks.
21:09 <Cepheid> Or drag-and-drop application interface designers.
21:09 <Schism> Easier. FFS, I know MUF, that doesn't make it easy to write a MUD.
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21:10 <ADragonDreaming> aka, libreoffice is by law allowed to reverse engineer support for .docx files.
21:10 <Cepheid> ADragonDreaming: Agreed. I push for interop between Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, and all the variants of UNIX out there.
21:10 <Cepheid> I'm tired of all the fighting over which OS is better.
21:10 <Schism> Mac is easier these days, at least. o3o;
21:10 <ADragonDreaming> mastadon is by law allowed to figure out ways (without hacking) to allow you to interact with Facebook friends via their UI
21:10 <Cepheid> Or the plain knee-jerk "NO" reactions some of the developers of the Linux kernel.
21:11 <Schism> Linus Torvalds needs to drop into the Grand Canyon and never return.
21:11 <Cepheid> Yeah, it's a form of reverse-engineering. I forget the name.
21:11 <Cepheid> It's less Linus that bothers me, and more some of round-the-world devs.
21:11 <Cepheid> A recent example would have been Theo, who's responsible for ext4.
21:11 <ADragonDreaming> basically, take a hatchet to the CFAA.
21:12 <Cepheid> A person poked Linux devs about implementing exFAT, a Microsoft Proprietary filesystem, in Linux.
21:12 <Cepheid> Theo and other Linux devs outright said no, because they don't want to interoperate with a company who doesn't consider interoperability with other operating systems.
21:12 <Cepheid> Among other reasons.
21:12 <Cepheid> They didn't even *ASK* Microsoft if they could do it.
21:12 <Cepheid> Then comes along a Microsoft OSI dev.
21:13 <Cepheid> "Oh, I'll ask the higher-ups if we can open-source exFAT as part of the OSI."
21:13 <Cepheid> I'm just... gods.
21:13 <Cepheid> Developers are assholes.
21:13 <Cepheid> But that's not new.
21:13 <Cepheid> It's been that way for a long time.
21:14 <ADragonDreaming> it is a problem of the human condition
21:14 <Cepheid> I won't say I'm above that, but I am certainly trying to break the molds that are set for the human condition.
21:15 <Cepheid> Unfortunately, it's hard when you suffer a critical miswiring of the brain that causes you to literally want to punch someone out of the blue for even the slightest of comments, with no lead-up or indicator of it happening.
21:15 <Schism> When the first cavewoman brought about fire, another asked her if she'd be willing to share. The response: "Are you mad? Think of how much meat I'd be throwing away if I did that."
21:16 * Cepheid sighs, is twitching. "I don't know how people expect me to function like this in the world."
21:16 <Cepheid> It's everyone's right to talk about what they want, provided they aren't being, you know, discriminatory jackasses about it. So avoiding topics that are known to agitate me is pretty much an impossibility.
21:16 <Schism> That is the world, yeah...
21:17 <Cepheid> As a result, I am guaranteed that at some point in my working career, to have a breakdown at work.
21:17 <Cepheid> Which will reflect poorly on me.
21:17 <Cepheid> It already has with school. I got written up back in college for one of my outbursts.
21:17 <Cepheid> And almost charged with assault for another outburst.
21:17 <Cepheid> I can't function in this world.
21:18 <Cepheid> I told the doctors this, but no, they just gave me a pat on the back and some papers.
21:18 <Cepheid> I swear.
21:18 <Cepheid> If I hurt someone due to one of my outbursts, I'm asking all the local hospitals for the paperwork they have accrued on me regarding my mental breakdowns.
21:19 <Cepheid> I am going to show the courts that I tried to receive help. I bloody ****ing told the hospitals that I was concerned that my temper might cause me to hurt someone. That the signs that everyone says they never see WERE SITTING RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEM AND TELLING THEM ABOUT THE SIGNS.
21:19 <Cepheid> I meant for chrissakes, how bloody stupid is the public? How stupid are the hospitals?
21:20 <Cepheid> "Oh, he did X? I never would have thought he could do it. There were no signs anything was wrong."
21:20 <Cepheid> "Oh, wait, here we are. He told us that he was concerned he might go into a blind rage, hurt someone, then recover, and attempt to then kill himself over it."
21:20 <Cepheid> "I guess the signs were there. We just ignored them."
21:20 <Cepheid> Morons, the lot of them. All of them.
21:20 <Cepheid> I should be locked up.
21:21 <Cepheid> For the safety of all of them, because they're too bloody stupid to see.
21:21 * Koopz tosses a bucket of water at Cepheid
21:21 <Cepheid> I'm gonna go vomit now.
21:22 <Cepheid> Now I understand why people do these horrific crimes.
21:22 <Cepheid> They get tired of being ignored.
21:23 <Cepheid> Only way to make the world realize there's something wrong with you is to do something so horrific that they see that something is wrong with you.
21:25 <ADragonDreaming> have a hug from me
21:27 <Cepheid> There is nothing running in my bedroom. Why is it so bloody warm?
21:28 * Cepheid sighs. "E3 leaked 2000 journalists private details."
21:30 <Cepheid> Seriously, just hurry up and lock me up in an asylum. I can't function in society as it is, with my mind the way is. No matter what I do, I'm gonna end up on the streets or doing something drastic anyways.
21:31 <Cepheid> Might as well just get it over with.
21:36 * Cepheid goes to lay down and read. It's all he can do at the moment, as his mind is a distracted mess of a nightmare.
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21:44 <PinkieShy> Hey every pony! :D
22:10 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Equestria Hills 90210 - My Little Pony: The Retro Show [ http://tinyurl.com/y3pxr76l ]
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22:54 * Schism frowns in consideration. "Wasn't... Cepheid, didn't we have an SCP-048 around here somewhere?"
23:04 <PinkieShy> My back hurts now :(
23:05 <PinkieShy> Haven't had back pain for at least a few days now.. which is great.
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23:20 <Schism> Huh. This is... tricky. https://xkcd.com/
23:21 <Schism> TRON: Legacy doesn't count, as it's 51% on Rotten Tomatoes.
23:36 <PinkieShy> Now that is so last year lol
23:37 <PinkieShy> Just found a old werewolf map but this one isn't automatic, you have to move the gameboard in your house to the player you want to eliminate as a wolf (in the cave for them) and same for detection roles
23:37 <PinkieShy> and as a reminder you have to put the cube in front of the house that you can only see..
23:37 <PinkieShy> So that is old.. But sometimes the older stuff is better.
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