00:03 * RichardMist *waves to Lumindia_ Ali|Nap*
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00:32 <RichardMist> gotta go, bye everyponies! *waves*
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00:34 <Schism> Yanno, I suspect that Agatha Heterodyne should possibly be voiced by Tara Strong. http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20130111
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00:38 <PinkieShy> The double rainbow guy is dead :( I remember that video so well
00:41 <Schism> Awwwr. :<
00:41 <Schism> Okay, I've heard of architectural follies and flying buttresses, but this is just silly. http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20200508
00:42 <ADragonDreaming> It's a boat.
00:48 <Schism> Oh, so it is. The ship which drew a thousand faces.
00:48 <ADragonDreaming> It'll soon be combined with something sillier.
00:48 <Schism> After Seffie stormed in? All hail the gummy ship.
00:50 <Schism> Violetta, at least, knows the weight of a favor.
00:51 <Schism> And of course, in Paris, they know that haute couture and haute cuisine can pair nicely.
00:58 <ADragonDreaming> now all they need is someone singing "Sugar, Sugar"
00:59 <Schism> Knowing the Foglios, they'll probably the party include an orchestral variant of that.
00:59 <Schism> probably have*
01:00 <Schism> Translated into French or German to obscure it.
01:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Brony Thank You Fund Purchasing Supplies to Create Masks for Healthcare, Donations Needed! [ http://tinyurl.com/y732hrw8 ]
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01:52 <PinkieShy> Wii came today :)
01:52 <PinkieShy> It does have some cosmetic defects though.. The side panel for the gamecube memory card and controllers doesn't stay closed and wants to fall off lol
01:53 <PinkieShy> at least cosmetic defects doesn't mean anything.
01:53 <PinkieShy> Paper mario works :D
01:53 <PinkieShy> I got to work for nook and such today in the OG animal crossing and it filled me with tears and joy
01:55 <PinkieShy> They do have their DKoldies sticker on it though that is like warranty void is removed :P
01:55 <PinkieShy> 120 day warranty is more like a yay
02:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #2158 [ http://tinyurl.com/yaus46g2 ]
02:10 <PinkieShy> I did get some gifts from the sky :D
02:10 <PinkieShy> But paper mario had massive bad luck like.. Stage stuff kept falling on me and making me Dizzy a ton
02:13 <Schism> That does happen often.
02:18 <PinkieShy> The games are harder than i remember.. lol
02:18 <PinkieShy> I kept getting down to 1HP >_>
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02:18 <Schism> Alas, and without the badge.
02:18 * Ali returns from naps and snuffles into Schism
02:19 * PinkieShy tumbles and lands on Ali
02:19 * Schism provides the Ali with a cheese 'n' mushroom omelet.
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02:19 <Ali> So I find it funny that I go back to FO4
02:19 <Ali> And get a bladed tire iron early. Its like OP for early game
02:20 <Schism> Good luck getting more so that you can repair it.
02:21 <Ali> This is Fallout 4 Schism, there is no need for a repair skill
02:23 <Schism> Oh, okay. Haven't played it, so I'm used to FO3's system of use broken things to create other broken things so that you can collect broken junk to fix your broken house in a broken city in a broken, broken game.
02:23 <Ali> Yeah 4 doesn't use 3's system like that
02:23 <Ali> NV does, but not 4
02:23 * Schism nods, "I know, and then they used 4 as a baseline for Fallout Online Except When It Isn't.
02:24 <Schism> Sorry, snarky tonight. :S
02:25 <Ali> Failout 4.76 as I like to call it
02:25 <Schism> It just works.
02:48 * Schism offers Ali a big bowl of nourishing cream of wheat. With berries.
02:50 * Ali mehs but noms anyways. She snuggles on the foodling so much.
02:51 * Schism hugs the Ali, and frowns, instead providing grits with shrimp? There are many ways to prepare farina and corn.
02:52 <PinkieShy> There we are.. Legs are all shaved again :D
02:52 <PinkieShy> After so many months.. >_> This feels better lol
02:52 <Schism> I have a several-day-old beard I should really just scrape off. Bleh!
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03:05 * Filly_Nightmares meow
03:06 * Filly_Nightmares nomfs Schism beard
03:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Twilight & Celestia Music: GeekBrony - Long, Long Way [Orchestral] [ http://tinyurl.com/yblw5rp7 ]
04:46 * Ali brushies the Filly_Nightmares and gives her mango
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05:18 * Ali gives PrincessRainbows treats instead of sugar, little fillies dun needs sugars before beds.
05:18 * PrincessRainbows boops PinkieShy's internet a bit
05:19 * PrincessRainbows makes upset little filly noises but noms anyway
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05:29 * PrincessRainbows also grabs her favorite pacifier and flops on Ali for sleepies. Nini
05:29 <Ali> See, night nights, yous not needed sugars before beds
05:31 * Cepheid awakens.
05:33 * Ali flops over Cepheid
05:48 * Cepheid noms a large breakfast due to unexpected levels of hunger. Bowl of cereal. Chinese dumplings. Some cookies. Strawberries. Raspberries. Some water. A coffee. And a small serving of sugar-free pudding.
05:51 <Ali> Dumplings and cereal just sound..ick?
05:51 <PinkieShy> My new shampoo and conditioner smells strongly of flowers lol
05:54 * Ali throws flowers at PinkieShy
05:58 <Cepheid> There was water drinking between most items. Cleansed the pallet a bit.
06:22 <Ali> Well Cepheid, we managed to find a PC monitor that will be available tomorrow
06:22 <Ali> Or today rather
06:22 <Cepheid> Nice.
06:25 <Ali> Its a Dell, not a Samsung like I'd prefer. But with how things are right now, at least its a name brand.
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06:43 * PrincessRainbows clutches Ali like a plushie cause filly can't sleep
06:50 * Ali brushie brushies the PrincessRainbows softly. "Poor little filly."
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07:16 * PrincessRainbows makes sleepless little horse noises and tries to go sleepy again
07:17 <Golden> Hm
07:22 <Cepheid> Heh. Apparently, MAD magazine received legal threats over a Star Wars parody. Unbeknown to the lawyers, George Lucas had sent a letter days earlier to MAD magazine praising them. Goes to show. Legal operates on it's own without talking to higher ups.
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07:23 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
07:24 <Cepheid> Hoi.
07:26 <ConfusionRift> Cepheid: Copyright lawyers and legal staff often work separately from the source they're trying to protect. Something happened to an animator recently in terms of copyright that basically went on the same page. Alas, it's towards the bit more disturbing when it comes to content, so I don't think I can mention it in detail.
07:26 * Ali flops over the ConfusionRift
07:26 <Cepheid> Ah.
07:27 * ConfusionRift patpats Ali.
07:27 * Ali leans into pets so much
07:29 <ConfusionRift> Basically, the animator put a Warner Bros. character in... a bit of a bad light as parody, just for the giggles. W.B. legal team asked him to take it down. But not as a C&D, but rather that they took ownership of the animators material. So this went WAAAY over their heads. Because, technically, since they took ownership of the parody, it's considered canon.
07:30 <ConfusionRift> If they would've seen the actual animation, they would not have done that.
07:34 <Ali> Who said lawers were smart
07:36 <ConfusionRift> Cepheid: Reading the many tests and incidents of SCP-682 has led me to believe that... yes, it has every right in the world to level the Foundation to nothing but dust and ashes.
07:38 <Cepheid> The problem is that lawyers need to act fast to mitigate damages. As a result, they can't take the time to ask if they should act or not. So they act ASAP and end up dealing with the consequences, if any, later on.
07:40 <ConfusionRift> Yep.
07:41 <Cepheid> Which usually reflects on the company as a whole because, from the perspective of those outside the company, we see the company as responsible for controlling everyone and all departments it employs.
07:42 <Cepheid> Problem is, as lawyers shoot first and ask questions later, it is out of the company's hands and control.
07:44 <Cepheid> This is made more apparent by many cases of lawyers shooting first, then the company execs basically rescinding anything the lawyers did. Sometimes due to the rebound, sometimes not.
07:46 <Cepheid> Guh. I slept on my right arm incorrectly. When I relax and rest it, i feel sharp, throbbing pains in the muscles along the upper arm.
07:47 <Ali> Always annoying
07:47 <ConfusionRift> Ouchies. That sucks.
07:48 <Cepheid> Oh gods damnit. More Intel vulnerabilities. This time in their Thunderbolt 3 stuff.
07:49 <ConfusionRift> Ohboy...
07:49 <Cepheid> This is gonna impact USB4.
07:50 <Cepheid> It's bad for laptops and portable hardware in particular.
07:51 <Cepheid> It bypasses all security measures employable, the attacks can't be detected, and only requires about five minutes of effort, a screwdriver, and some tools.
07:54 <Ali> Intel as in the chips maker?
07:54 <Ali> USB4?
07:54 <Ali> Dear lord just how behind am I in tech now?
07:54 <Ali> Is there DDR 5s floating about now as well?
07:54 <Cepheid> USB4 isn't out yet.
07:55 <Cepheid> It's in the design stages, but it is intended to be based on Thunderbolt, which was made an open system rather than remaining proprietary.
07:55 <Cepheid> And yes Intel as in the chip maker.
07:56 * Ali is glad she's using AMD then for now.
07:57 <Cepheid> As for DDR5, I don't think so. I think it is still being designed. Even then, it is still years away from being adopted because of the manner in which hardware seems to progress in using RAM.
07:57 <Cepheid> DDR4 was delayed because mobile devices used DDR3, and manufacturers didn't want to move away from that.
07:59 <Ali> I still don't understand why they're pushing mobile gaming so hard when phones can't really be like a console or PC
08:00 <Ali> And cause of that, phones cost way too much money for just everyday tasks if you want an iphone or something like that. Stupid overpriced Apple junk.
08:02 <Cepheid> Because mobile games are easy to make, resulting in an influx of them, and revenue because of the distribution platform fees.
08:02 <ConfusionRift> Actually, now most companies phones are just as expensive. And it's because of that; them trying to make a phone a Swiss army knife. Oooh, I can run a PC game on this at 60FPS on 4K... oh wait, my battery!
08:03 <ConfusionRift> This comment has been brought to you by RAID: SHADOW LEGENDS!!!
08:03 <Cepheid> The memory thing though is more because for the longest time, mobile devices were selling like hotcakes.
08:03 <Cepheid> So, apparently...
08:04 <Cepheid> One of the TB vulnerabilities is in verifying the- bah hold on a moment.
08:05 <Cepheid> That's better. Switched to laptop.
08:05 <Cepheid> Anyways...
08:05 <Cepheid> One of the vulnerabilities is in respect to verifying the firmware.
08:06 * Ali baps ConfusionRift for selling out.
08:06 <Cepheid> When the firmware of the host or peripheral device is updated while the computer is turned on and the device is connected, the firmware's integrity is verified and checked against a known key.
08:06 <ConfusionRift> :P
08:06 <Cepheid> Which, of course, makes sense.
08:06 <Cepheid> Problem is.
08:07 <Cepheid> The firmware flash memory uses a known interface, and through special tools, can be reprogrammed in other ways.
08:07 <Cepheid> And it doesn't invoke verification of the integrity of the firmware, either, because you skip software logic that does that.
08:08 <Cepheid> Guess what the computers implementing Thunderbolt 3 fail to do during powerup, or when connecting the device to the computer?
08:09 <Cepheid> Long story short, it doesn't verify the integrity of the firmware, and assumes everything is fine.
08:09 <Ali> Pft
08:09 <Cepheid> So, you could replace the firmware with an arbitrary code program.
08:09 <Ali> Oversight or just stupidity
08:09 <Ali> YOU DECIDE
08:09 <Cepheid> Which bypasses Thunderbolt 3 security.
08:10 <Cepheid> Next up, authorization of the device based on information provided by the device. Turns out, none of the information is made distinct to each instance of the devices.
08:11 <Cepheid> So if I had two Thunderbolt devices, of the same make, same model, same production run...
08:11 <Cepheid> The computer would not be able to tell the difference between the two.
08:11 <Cepheid> So one could be completely valid, unmodified in any way. The other could be a malicious device.
08:12 <Cepheid> And the system would allow both to work on the computer, because the user authorized the valid device.
08:12 <Cepheid> And as far as the computer is concerned, the malicious device is the SAME DEVICE as the authorized device.
08:13 <Cepheid> Next, device metadata. Computers appear to use the metadata without verifying it's authenticity.
08:13 <Cepheid> So you can forge fake device identities.
08:15 <Ali> Lovely
08:15 <Cepheid> Next... Thunderbolt 3 hosts support Thunderbolt 2 devices, regardless of any security rules in place. So any security exploits that work on Thunderbolt 2, work on Thunderbolt 3 host devices.
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08:18 <Cepheid> Next, UEFI(BIOS) Security Level settings for Thunderbolt 3 are not authenticated at any time, during boot, during resume, or any other period, and in fact may be overridden by the host controller firmware.
08:19 <Cepheid> So if you can somehow gain access to the system to change the UEFI settings through some external method, the system will not notice.
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08:20 <Cepheid> Next... Apparently there is no handling of errors when attempting to write to the SPI flash memory when it's set to write-protected.
08:20 <Ali> We can make the most powerful stuff of PC kind
08:20 <Ali> But we forget to lock the doors
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08:21 <Cepheid> So an unauthorized person can make changes to the SPI Flash ROM, set the write-protected state, and the system wouldn't know. Do you know what this means?
08:21 <Cepheid> The basic gist of it, is that it makes it impossible to update the firmware.
08:21 <Cepheid> Or change any settings in it.
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08:22 <Cepheid> So if a person reads the ROM, changes some settings, then writes it back, then sets the write-protection flag, the user's system is permanently compromised until someone can go in with an external tool to change the SPI Flash ROM settings.
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08:23 <Cepheid> It can be used to block all future firmware updates that would fix these issues, presumably, as well.
08:23 * Ali facehooves
08:23 <Cepheid> And then there's Apple and their Boot Camp.
08:23 <Cepheid> When any OS is run under Boot Camp, the UEFI disables all Thunderbolt 3 security by default.
08:24 <Cepheid> Which makes the system vulnerable to any type of Thunderbolt attack.
08:24 <Cepheid> Including the biggest one, DMA attacks, which can be used to read large regions of memory.
08:26 <Cepheid> Affected systems... Any and all laptops and PCs with Thunderbolt 2 and/or Thunderbolt 3 host controllers that employ Security Levels. All Macs with Thunderbolt 2 and/or Thunderbolt 3 host controller.
08:27 <Cepheid> Operating systems, for Windows, Windows 7 and onwards to the latest release of 10. For Linux, Linux Kernel 3.17 to 4.12 for SL0 cases. 4.13 onwards for the rest.
08:27 <Cepheid> Mac OS X...
08:29 <Cepheid> It's slightly better, surprisingly. They utilize device whitelists along with IOMMU virtualization when possible, rather than the Thunderbolt Security Levels stuff, so the security is slightly improved. Two vulnerabilities can be used to bypass the whitelist, but the IOMMU virtualization prevents further problems when it's available.
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08:30 <Cepheid> However, despite this improved security, there are still exploits that can be used on Mac OS X.
08:31 <Cepheid> Basically, in this case? For once, Mac OS X is actually the better of the three big OSes.
08:31 * Ali 's brain explodes
08:32 <Cepheid> As for mitigations, there's not much that can be done.
08:33 <Cepheid> The paper advises disabling Thunderbolt altogether, and configuring the relevant port to be a USB 3.1 Type-C port with or without DisplayPort.
08:34 <Cepheid> In fact, because of the lack of authentication and verification of the host controller configuration, it currently advises disabling the host controller altogether, thus making the port completely useless. The above is only advised after a software fix has been implemented.
08:35 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, for Macs, they advise not using any other operating system on Macs until a fix for the "disabling all Thunderbolt security" has been put in place.
08:35 <Cepheid> Which raises so many questions.
08:35 <Cepheid> Like, why would you do that?
08:36 <Cepheid> What would possess software engineers to disable all security on Thunderbolt?
08:36 <Cepheid> I'd like to say malicious intent, that is, intentionally making other OSes seem more vulnerable, but..
08:36 <Cepheid> That's a hell of a step to take, even by Apple's standards.
08:39 <Cepheid> Reasoning being, Apple is pretty particular about the security of their devices from unauthorized modifications. Even they wouldn't lower security settings for any reason, especially if there was a risk it would damage the hardware itself.
08:41 <Cepheid> This is one of those few vulnerabilities that even I have the capacity to exploit.
08:41 <Cepheid> Which is disturbing to me, because I am not one to exploit vulnerabilities, and thus, most of them are well outside my abilities.
08:47 <Cepheid> Geezus christ there's not even encryption on the host-side. You can extract authorized device UUIDs(Universally Unique IDentification. Think a number that is guaranteed to be unique across instances of something that number more than the approximate theoretical number of atoms in the universe.) straight from the ACL(Access Control List. A list of authorized items, basically.) of the host-side firmware and just use it, no
08:47 <Cepheid> need to decrypt anything.
08:48 * Cepheid continues reading, and face palms at all of this.
08:49 <Ali> welcome to security in 2020
08:49 <Ali> How may we steal your stuff easily today?
08:50 <Cepheid> While all of these require physical access to a system or a device, and some disassembly of the enclosures of each, and reading the SPI flash via hardware tools and such..
08:51 <Finwe> Good forenoon, my perissodactyls of minute stature.
08:51 <Finwe> Miss Ali, Messrs Cepheid and Schism|Nocturne.
08:51 <Cepheid> From a spying standpoint, it'd be trivial to do this in a relatively quick fashion.
08:51 * Finwe doffs his hat.
08:51 <Cepheid> First, designate a mark, a target. Figure out their routine, what hardware they have, etc.
08:51 * Ali doffs over Finwe with a big yawn.
08:52 <Cepheid> Then, analyze the hardware, figure out where the SPI Flash ROMs are on the PCBs inside the hardware.
08:52 <Cepheid> You can do this simply by buying the same unit, and if you're a spy, you have the funds to do this.
08:52 * Finwe points his hoof at Ali.
08:52 <Finwe> Bedtiem for you, young lady.
08:53 <Ali> But Ali dun go to bed
08:53 <Cepheid> Create a device that one can simply press against the SPI Flash ROM of the relevant devices, and read all the relevant data ASAP.
08:53 <Cepheid> Then, when your mark leaves their hardware alone for an extended period of time, go in, open the hardware, read the SPI Flash ROMs. This would take maybe, 5 minutes at least.
08:53 <Cepheid> Re-assemble hardware, put it back in place. Leave.
08:54 <Cepheid> Then make modifications to your own devices for spoofing purposes, as necessary, based on the data you obtained.
08:54 <Cepheid> Another day, take your device, wait for a moment to get close to the mark.
08:54 <Cepheid> Attach device to laptop when the owner goes away, read relevant data, leave.
08:56 * Ali doffs back over Finwe
08:56 <Cepheid> For your average user, this vulnerability isn't THAT big of an issue.
08:56 <Finwe> o3o
08:56 <Cepheid> For espionage?
08:56 <Cepheid> Aaahahahaha. This is the worst thing imaginable.
08:56 <Finwe> Ali: No arguing. Even unicorns need theirs sleep.
08:56 <Finwe> *their
08:57 * Ali puffycheeks at Finwe and crosses hooves. "Ali dun go to bed."
08:59 <Cepheid> They can also just make the process even more trivial by reading the SPI Flash on the host system(laptop or PC), modifying the security level in the ROM dump, then re-flash it, and then enable write protection. Any future device connected will be able to gain access to the system's memory contents.
08:59 <Cepheid> The worst part is, this can all be done while the system is turned off, or in sleep mode.
09:00 <Cepheid> From an espionage standpoint, this is a massive boon.
09:00 * Finwe adamantly tucks Ali into bed and sings a lullaby.
09:00 <Ali> You know, all that you're saying I have no *yay* clue to what the heck it is. Only thing I understand is its bad and stupid
09:00 <ConfusionRift> Wait... what the...? Seems one of the mods allows me to receive potion effects, without actually consuming said potion. Seems I need to have 50+ on my inventory.
09:01 * Ali flailyhooves at Finwe and puffycheeks harder
09:02 <Cepheid> ConfusionRift: What game?
09:02 <ConfusionRift> Tewawwia.
09:02 <Cepheid> Oh, Terraria.
09:02 <Ali> Feeling brave playing that so close to 1.4?
09:02 <Ali> Or are you preparing for
09:02 <Ali> MASTER MODE
09:03 * Ali dies from a slime the moment she spawns in.
09:03 <Ali> I'm ok
09:03 <ConfusionRift> Nah, i was trying to get to the final bosses before then... but that ain't happening. I'm moving several times slower than last I played the game. I feel... unprepared for everything.
09:05 <Cepheid> I really need to play Terraria from start to finish.
09:06 <ConfusionRift> World gen was trash too. Everything is on bad spots, or cluttered. And it's probably because I went for a smaller world, since last it kept crashing on normal and large.
09:06 <Cepheid> "On the SPI flash device, solder a wire from the GND pin to the WP pin." This is a bit more extreme.
09:09 <Cepheid> And of course, a common implementation of Thunderbolt 3 uses a SPI flash ROM that has, but isn't used, a one-time-programming functionality.
09:09 <ConfusionRift> You know? I feel confident on dealing with Skeletron. I'm sure nothing bad will- ("The skies are filled with flying eyes.") WHY?!
09:10 <Cepheid> Read the SPI flash ROM, set the security state of Thunderbolt 3 to SL0(No security at all), write it back to the SPI flash ROM, then using specs on the SPI flash ROM chip, activate the OTP feature, causing the data on the SPI flash ROM to become permanent and unchangeable through any means.
09:12 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, on Macs running Windows or Linux..
09:12 <Cepheid> All you need is a specially-crafted device. That's it. No opening the hardware, no reading any data from the computer, or relying on authorized devices.
09:13 <Cepheid> Because Boot Camp disables all Thunderbolt security, all you need to do is plug a Thunderbolt device into the Mac, and you gain access to system DMA, which means reading large chunks of RAM quickly.
09:14 <Cepheid> This is big brain stupidity.
09:17 <Cepheid> Anyhow, I'm done reading up on this fiasco.
09:18 <Cepheid> "Beyond Kernel DMA Protection, Intel will not provide any mitigations to address the Thunderspy vulnerabilities. Hence, Intel will not assign any CVEs to the Thunderspy vulnerabilities, or release any public security advisories to inform the general public."
09:19 <Cepheid> "Some of the hardware security features you outlined are only available when users run macOS. If users are concerned about any of the issues in your paper, we recommend that they use macOS."
09:19 <Cepheid> Wow. Just... Wow.
09:20 <Cepheid> Intel's had a partial fix since 2019, and they are planning to fix it as a result of the disclosure to them. But they aren't going to tell anyone, or even treat it as an actual problem publicly.
09:21 <Cepheid> Apple, meanwhile, went the "Yeah, whatever, use Mac OS X instead." route.
09:24 <Cepheid> Long story short, if I were working for either company and saw these responses, I'd be resigning.
09:30 <AppleDash> If somebody I don't authorize even sees my computer I assume it's been compromised by them :p Physical access trumps all, no matter what
09:36 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
09:36 <Cepheid> Unfortunately, politicians are not as savvy as you or I.
09:37 <Cepheid> Nor are your average computer users using laptops for browsing, word processing and the like.
09:38 <Cepheid> Therein which lies the problem. Espionage seems to be where this particular set of vulnerabilities and exploits are most useful.
09:48 <Cepheid> And before you say that no one would ever leave their laptop alone for extended periods, I once watched over someone's laptop at the university for a grand total of 30 minutes. Left it sitting there, went off, returned 30 minutes later.
10:05 <Cepheid> I'm still surprised by Apple's response, though. That's just... inexcusable.
10:18 <Ali> Is it one of those scripted we're sorry but not sorry things?
10:18 <Cepheid> No.
10:18 <Cepheid> It's literally their stance regarding the problem.
10:18 * Lumindia_ gives Ali a morning hug! :D
10:18 <Lumindia_> Hugs are nice!
10:18 <Cepheid> They don't want to fix the problem.
10:18 <Cepheid> Same with Intel.
10:18 <Ali> Cause that costs money
10:18 <Cepheid> In fact, Intel would prefer not to tell people about it.
10:19 <Ali> Cause lord only knows neither want to do that to fix anything
10:19 <Ali> Its like how older Iphones crap out on purpose just so they can force their newer product onto you
10:19 <Ali> Its like my Ipad 2
10:19 <Ali> Its in great condition
10:19 <Ali> But due to apple's throttling of it to near crawling internet speeds
10:20 <Ali> Not to mention its no longer iOS supported
10:20 <Ali> Means its about as useful as a brick sometimes
10:20 * Ali boops the Lumindia_ nosie
10:22 <Cepheid> The stance from Apple is just "Use macOS." and they basically have no plans to fix the issue. In fact, the way they word it, it sounds like they believe that the relevant security features are only supported under macOS. That Linux and Windows don't bother with the SL# stuff.
10:22 <Cepheid> Intel meanwhile, apparently plans to do stuff for future hardware revisions, but has apparently refused to discuss what that stuff is. They also refuse to contact various vendors and manufacturers about the problem.
10:22 <Ali> Anyway, naptime fuel has run out finally. I'm gonna go pass out.
10:23 <Cepheid> They would prefer to pretend the problem doesn't exist, as far as dealing with the public.
10:23 <Ali> Typical
10:23 * Ali flops over and sleeps now thoughs.
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10:27 <Finwe> o3o
10:38 * Cepheid checks AMD's GPUOpen.
10:40 <Cepheid> Looking like AMD is moving towards a more and more open, non-blackbox approach to GPUs and GPU-based development.
10:41 * PrincessRainbows makes scared filly noises and tears up then flailyhooves at ConfusionRift
10:44 * ConfusionRift grabbies, then pets PrincessRainbows.
10:45 * PrincessRainbows hugs so tight
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10:48 * PrincessRainbows curls up under ConfusionRift for more sleepies like a good foal
10:50 * Cepheid feels bored with respect to coding right now. Debates a temporary small project to distract himself with.
11:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1929 [ http://tinyurl.com/yby7tasa ]
11:35 * Cepheid gets back to chores.
11:53 * ConfusionRift flopples.
12:05 <Cepheid> Back.
12:05 <Cepheid> Not quite done.
12:07 <Cepheid> Just taking a break to nom some food, then I'm gonna clean the rest up. It's just putting stuff back in place, mostly.
12:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Deposit This / Flowers / Signing Off 33 / New Beginnings 26 / Pone Wars 10:13 [ http://tinyurl.com/y6vjg55e ]
12:08 <ConfusionRift> And I'm not doing much. Gonna crash soon.
12:09 <Cepheid> I'm wishing I hadn't made the mistake and took my vyvanse today.
12:09 <Cepheid> I... just don't want to work right now, but I feel COMPELLED to.
12:10 <Cepheid> Think I'll just actively ignore it and go back to reading anyways.
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12:25 * Cepheid decides to read the SCP archives from SCP-001.
12:28 <Cepheid> Gods I hope that headline is mistaken about the quantity.
12:29 <Cepheid> A man was arrested on charges of having 58 terabytes of... certain content. The kind that would result in needing to be in isolation when in prison or you'd die quite rapidly.
12:29 <Cepheid> 58 terabytes is a LOT. To put it in context, my phone holds 32 gigabytes of data. 58 terabytes is 1,812.5 times the capacity of my phone.
12:31 * ConfusionRift points at his computer, running a total of 26TB of hard drive space.
12:32 <Cepheid> ...
12:32 <Cepheid> Geezus christ, ConfusionRift. No offense man, but that's more than even I need.
12:32 <Cepheid> I have 5 terabytes, thereabouts.
12:33 <Cepheid> I haven't even used 2 terabytes yet.
12:33 <libre_hackerman> That sounds like he had a server and a web page with the content
12:33 <AppleDash> ^
12:33 <Cepheid> If he's running a website, he's not mentioned it, I'm not aware of it, and that means he's got a more-developed presence on the net than I. :P
12:33 <AppleDash> We mean the criminal, not ConfusionRift
12:33 <Cepheid> Ah, yeah.
12:34 <ConfusionRift> I wanted to runs a form of NAS, which is why I have so much space. (shrugs) I have been archiving informations and projects for some time. Would hate to lose it.
12:34 <Cepheid> That's what I'm thinking too. He's likely a ringleader.
12:34 * ConfusionRift has little to no web presence. Because he doesn't like-a said presence.
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12:35 <ConfusionRift> But yeah, that does sound like running a website and archiving stuff.
12:35 <Cepheid> The article is from 2 years ago. But being the first I've heard of it... Anyways, let's see what it says.
12:35 <Cepheid> Article doesn't say much.
12:36 <AppleDash> Yeah I've seen this like 2 years ago
12:36 <ConfusionRift> Also, very easy for them to say that the person has that much space used on (content in question), but it could also be that they found content on the drives, and most of it is empty space for processes. Then again, who knows.
12:37 <AppleDash> Aye
12:37 <Cepheid> Let's see..
12:37 <Cepheid> Further investigation shows he had a tower with 15 hard drives. He was a distributor.
12:38 <Cepheid> Still.
12:40 <Cepheid> Because of my moral compass, I'm not one to wish death on people for their actions. I'm not willing to make an exception, even here. No. He deserves worse than death.
12:43 * Cepheid returns to more friendly stuff. SCPs about horrible monstrosities, nightmares, and fluffy versions of ConfusionRift.
12:45 <Cepheid> Hoooo! That's a spicy drink. Usual caesar, but added something else to it.
12:46 <Cepheid> My parents, for tacos one night, bought a jar of some really spicy chilli sauce. I mixed some of that in.
12:46 * Cepheid watches as a hole burns through his stomach.
12:47 <Schism|Nocturne> Cepheid: Let us not forget the most destructive SCP of all.
12:47 *** Schism|Nocturne is now known as Schism
12:47 <Cepheid> 53?
12:47 <Schism> I refer, of course, to SCP-2558-J.
12:47 <Cepheid> Heh.
12:47 <ConfusionRift> SCP-_____-J? :P
12:48 <Schism> Meh, I never finished reading that one.
12:48 * Cepheid reads through 2558-J out of order from his plans.
12:48 <ConfusionRift> You can always read it later. :P
12:48 <Cepheid> Oh gods.
12:48 <Cepheid> The kittens.
12:49 <Schism> A true threat to the Foundation, those pufferkittens.
12:49 <Cepheid> "Several varieties have been observed, including longhaired, hypoallergenic, grenade..."
12:50 <Cepheid> Why the hell would you put one through 914!?
12:51 <Cepheid> Do *NOT* put biological material in 914!
12:53 * Cepheid sips drink. Sits there, looks up and around. "... I think this might be unsafe for me to consume."
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13:16 <Cepheid> Right. So I ignored my own plans and worked a bit on my code. I solved a part of the position update bug.
13:36 * Cepheid also figured out a way to calculate how many pixels to shift based on the slope.
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13:45 <Cepheid> That's the extent of my coding today methinks. Figure out some math, solve part of a problem.
13:53 * Cepheid uses SCP-005 to walk into Schism's house, raid his fridge, and steal all his pasta.
13:59 * Cepheid then uses it to break into ConfusionRift's house, whereupon he proceeds to commit his greatest crime ever. He empties the tube of toothpaste and leaves it sitting on the bathroom countertop.
14:05 <ConfusionRift> Who... WHO would do such a thing?!
14:05 * ConfusionRift opens a drawer... and takes out a tube squeezer. "I knew this day would come." :P
14:06 <Cepheid> Heh.
14:09 <ConfusionRift> I would check some more incidents, but it's really late. Gonna crash before... work... LATERS!
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17:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Fanfiction: Something Cosmic [ http://tinyurl.com/yayfatla ]
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17:29 <Finwe> Good evening, everypony!
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17:35 <RichardMist> Good evening Mr. Finwe
17:36 <Finwe> Mr RichardMist.
17:36 * Finwe doffs his aht.
17:36 <Finwe> Aht that is hat. o3o
17:37 <Finwe> A bit outdated word, maybe, this "aht".
17:38 <RichardMist> but still very well
17:39 <Finwe> The modern spelling is "aught".
17:43 <RichardMist> Colgate don't like amsg
17:43 <RichardMist> But i'm ok with that
17:44 <RichardMist> he's a good ruler
17:52 <Cepheid> Afternoon, Finwe.
17:57 <RichardMist> hello Cepheid
17:58 <Cepheid> Hey hey.
18:00 <RichardMist> how's weather today, Cepheid?
18:06 <Cepheid> Cloudy. But otherwise okay. Warm enough.
18:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Pony Plushie Compilation #403 [ http://tinyurl.com/y7yfnr4j ]
18:10 <Cepheid> Today I learned that apparently, the Windows Console supports VT100 emulation and thus, the various control sequences.
18:10 <RichardMist> well done, congratulations!
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18:25 <Cepheid> Usefulness of this? Not a lot, though it does help with attempting certain visual traits for certain projects.
18:25 * Cepheid is designing a roguelike as a sideproject, and wants to be more authentic than many of those "roguelikes" out there now.
18:34 <Cepheid> That said, I'm not actually sure to what level of VT100 emulation the Windows console has, just that, according to documentation, it supports it. I'll have to test it out another time and see what I can and cannot do with it.
18:37 <Cepheid> Oops. Ubuntu Server's installer has been leaking encrypted storage passphrases during installation. Apparently it logs the LUKS encrypted volume passwords and writes it out to a logfile in plaintext.
18:37 <Cepheid> This is their new installer, mind.
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18:47 <RichardMist> Cepheid I think it will be waay better with Docker
18:47 <RichardMist> mabe even best
18:48 <RichardMist> I haven't used VT100 for a long time but I think it's very limited in overall functionality
18:49 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
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19:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: TrotCon Cancels for 2020. Returning in 20201 [ http://tinyurl.com/y8ut226j ]
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19:17 <Cepheid> Hum. Investigation reveals that the control code stuff is actually quite a bit more complicated than I think. That said, I can work around it.
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20:10 <Cepheid> So, I may have committed a crime. I suggested to my sister that she check out La-Mulana.
20:20 <RichardMist> It's not such a crime
20:21 <RichardMist> hello PrincessRainbows *waves*
20:22 <RichardMist> I didn't noticed you
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21:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #3340 [ http://tinyurl.com/yc9kt9rm ]
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21:18 * Ali flops over Schism and PrincessRainbows
21:18 <Schism> I love people, sometimes. Like the person who tried to chat in and engage in... let's stay PG-13 and call it 'indelicate conversation'. And then turned around and tried to get me fired when I stayed singularly professional.
21:19 <Ali> Of course
21:19 <Schism> I'm like, "Does that ever work?"
21:19 * Schism blehs. Just on his last break before going back to work.
21:20 * Ali huggles the Schism
21:21 <Schism> And then there are the ones who threaten to sue because of delays in the warehouse. "Okay. You want to drag us to court over a $25 pair of shoes. I'll forward your request for action to the higher-ups, but I don't think they'll take it the way you intend."
21:22 <Schism> I'm not sure if there's a term for precisely how frivolous that is.
21:39 * RichardMist *waves to Ali and Schism*
21:39 * Ali wavies, finally backs on a pc monitor
21:51 * RichardMist *throws rock to everfree forest*
21:52 * RichardMist "someone roared"
21:52 * RichardMist "oops"
22:01 * Lumindia_ picks up Ali, snuggles lots
22:03 * Ali snuggles the Lumindia_ so much
22:05 * RichardMist *smiles and walks away*
22:22 * Filly_Nightmares lick lick lick Ali
22:22 * Ali mango's Filly_Nightmares and brushies
22:24 * Lumindia_ licks Ali's cheek gently
22:24 * Ali pony purrs at Lumindia_ and boops with dirt blocks
22:26 * Lumindia_ hecks quietly in response
22:30 <Starlight_Glimmer> Ali: Where did you get that from?
22:30 <Ali> Get what from?
22:30 <Starlight_Glimmer> I mean the monitor.
22:30 <Ali> Oh, Best Buy still had an LG 24" in stock
22:31 <Starlight_Glimmer> Didn't you say you wouldn't be able to get a new one any time soon? 6_9
22:32 <Ali> I know I know
22:32 <Ali> But we got lucky I guess
22:32 <Ali> Its at least a name brand and in the 24" range
22:33 <Starlight_Glimmer> I was under the impression it was a money issue
22:33 * Filly_Nightmares meow
22:33 <Starlight_Glimmer> I mean like online shopping is a thing
22:33 <Starlight_Glimmer> Who cares about retail
22:33 <Ali> I don't like buying things online
22:34 <Starlight_Glimmer> Oh you silly thing
22:34 <Ali> What, I'm a bit overprotective
22:35 <Starlight_Glimmer> So I guess I won't have to send you that link to that online store selling a Twilight MTG playmat ...
22:35 * Starlight_Glimmer doesn't actually have any such thing, but thinks Ali is being silly
22:35 <Starlight_Glimmer> Retail kinda sucks :/
22:36 * Starlight_Glimmer sits on Ali
22:37 * Ali puffycheeks at Starlight_Glimmer would TEASE her on a Twily playmat.
22:38 <Lumindia_> yer both lovely ponies! *snuggles both Ali and GlimGlam*
22:39 <Starlight_Glimmer> You have me intrigued though: What is it that makes you shy away from online shopping? The risk or wanting to support local business?
22:39 * Starlight_Glimmer licks Lumindia_
22:40 <Ali> Stolen card info
22:41 <Ali> I don't trust the internet with that information. What with all the data breaches and what not.
22:42 <Starlight_Glimmer> I'd recommend Paypal with 2 factor authentication. A stolen credit card isn't really that much of an issue though.
22:43 <Ali> Eh, its one thing I don't trust dear
22:43 <Starlight_Glimmer> Never happened to I must admit, but I've been working for a bank. Credit card breaches aren't quite as common around here
22:43 <Starlight_Glimmer> There are also services that offer one time use virtual credit cards
22:44 <Starlight_Glimmer> Around here you can also usually pay in several different ways. I consider credit cards to be on the more secure side of things because I can just file a chargeback.
22:45 <Starlight_Glimmer> I also get push notifications for every transaction. Sometimes even before the site even realizes the payment went through. It's pretty much instant.
22:45 <Starlight_Glimmer> Credit cards not not quite a common in Germany though
22:45 <Ali> Yeah but they don't feel as safe here in the US
22:45 <Starlight_Glimmer> Having more than one makes me highly unsual around here :P
22:50 * RichardMist *waves to Starlight_Glimmer Filly_Nightmares Lumindia_ with excitment*
22:56 * Filly_Nightmares suckles on Starlight_Glimmer
22:56 * Filly_Nightmares just bought a server from Ebay o3o
22:57 <RichardMist> very good, congratulations!!
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23:17 <RichardMist> hoiii Heartbreak and Pony|28009 , nice to meet ya! *waves*
23:17 * Pony|28009 wavewave!
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23:20 <LunaticHell> goooooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning, equestria
23:20 <LunaticHell> I am the not drunk Lunatic
23:20 * Schism rooooollls over, and boops LunaticHell with a steak and cheese sandwich with plenty of fried onions, mushrooms, and tomatoes.
23:21 <LunaticHell> That sounds pretty good.
23:21 <RichardMist> hoiiii LunaticHel!! nice to meet ya *waves with two hooves*
23:21 <Schism> Of course. On a nice whole wheat hoagie bun.
23:21 <LunaticHell> People underestimate the worth of a steak on a bun.
23:22 <LunaticHell> Also hi Richard.
23:25 <LunaticHell> Why does my PC still make discord sounds despite me closing discord?
23:25 <LunaticHell> It kinda is unnerving. o. o
23:28 <Schism> Gotta mute all those servers.
23:29 <LunaticHell> So many sounds. o. o
23:30 <LunaticHell> But I shut down discord.
23:31 <RichardMist> Maybe it's like got spammed
23:31 <Schism> Hey LunaticHell, I know that you've probably played CrossCode by now, but have you played Timespinner? o3o
23:33 <LunaticHell> Yes and yes, actually.
23:33 <Schism> Ah, excellent. o3o
23:33 <LunaticHell> So drunk I cannot find out where the sounds come from, but aware enough to remember games I've played.
23:37 <LunaticHell> recently playing KeeperRL, Schism
23:38 <LunaticHell> Pixel dungeon keeper + randomized maps
23:39 <Schism> Intarestan'. Half Dungeon Keeper, half Dwarf Fortress, half evil adventurers going out to burn the peasants.
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23:40 <LunaticHell> How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world that has such people in't!
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23:41 <Schism> Now, I will believe that there are unicorns...
23:41 <Lunatic> Well, there is also a dawf fortress game in the making, to be fair.
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23:42 <RichardMist> hoii Lunatic and Tempest, nice to meet ya!! *waves*
23:42 <Lunatic> hey Richard. Ditto.
23:42 <Tempest> Hello o/
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23:43 <Lunatic> There is a thing I will do, soon.
23:43 <Lunatic> Fall into the bed, close my eyes, and pass out.
23:44 <Schism> Well, it is nice to see that you're still around and about!
23:44 <Lunatic> I had to drink, today, and I do not remember how I manage to get to this point in time, but yeah, it is nice to see ya. =)
23:46 <Lunatic> I swear, my timeline is more messed up than Doctor Zoom's.
23:46 <Schism> Lunatic, do you read webcomics? :S
23:46 <Schism> Also, well. The only reason my timeline's not so screwed up is because I'm actually working!
23:46 <Schism> Bertelsmann has me in their clutches.
23:46 <Lunatic> Yeah, I especially enjoyed HLW.
23:46 <Lunatic> Hardcore Leveling Warrior.
23:46 <Lunatic> And Solo Leveling
23:46 <Schism> I'm finding myself reading Harbourmaster. http://www.waywardmartian.com/
23:47 <Lunatic> This will be a good thing for sober me.
23:47 <Schism> Undoubtedly. Lots of social stuff going on therein.
23:48 <Lunatic> Well, I will leave it as first tab that opens once I start firefox, tomorrow.
23:48 <Lunatic> Sober me gotta figure it out from there.
23:48 <Lunatic> In the meantime...
23:48 <Lunatic> ...this is where I get off.
23:48 <Lunatic> ;)
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