00:00 <Lumindia_> https://i.imgur.com/rVXPvQk.png
00:01 <Cepheid> Heh.
00:04 * Cepheid gets a lightbulb above his head.
00:08 * PrincessRainbows sniffs Ali all over for sugar cubes
00:08 * Lumindia_ dispenses sherbert to PrincessRainbows
00:08 <Lumindia_> far better than sugar cubes,
00:08 <Lumindia_> ' v'
00:09 <PrincessRainbows> It indeed has sugar
00:09 <Cepheid> Rather than a defined bounds, use a set of points instead, that define the bounds. Lines, as necessary, can be drawn between these points for testing. For the slope case I ran into earlier, the easiest way to tell the difference between a floor and wall, is to check both of the points in the direction of movement. If the lower point and upper point, or just the upper point intersect a bounds, then the player can't move
00:09 <Cepheid> horizontally in that direction.
00:09 * PrincessRainbows noms
00:14 <Lumindia_> and it's cold and fruity
00:14 <Lumindia_> perfect for a hot day
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00:28 * PinkieShy boops the next active poni
00:28 <Cepheid> I'll flesh the solution out tomorrow, along with diagrams. Then do some implementation.
00:58 * Schism boops the Surreal_Nightmares wif some seafood dinner!
01:00 * PinkieShy hugs Schism
01:01 * PrincessRainbows boops PinkieShy's horn so much and giggles
01:01 * PinkieShy 's horn creates a laser light show for PrincessRainbows
01:02 * PrincessRainbows yays
01:03 <Cepheid> Effin finally. Got ahold of a doctor.
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01:11 <Schism> Cepheid: Furrfu. THIS late at night? I'm surprised.
01:12 <Cepheid> Yeah, after Fahim decided not to call I tried to get in with Tyson, my mom's doctor. His earliest appointment was 8:10. I got the antibiotics at least.
01:15 <Cepheid> https://i.redd.it/u2r03p9d14251.jpg
01:17 <Cepheid> Honestly I think my issues as of late is just an overwhelming amount of stress, this infuriating behaviour from my doctor, the lack of sleep due to all the coughing(on average I get about 4 hours before my lungs wake me up right now), and extreme cabin fever. I haven't gone anywhere in months. I'm confined to the house and can't go anywhere for any reason.
01:17 <Cepheid> Parents orders on that last one.
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01:21 <Cepheid> Plus, even if I weren't confined by my parents, I am coughing up a storm right now. Even with a mask on, people are paranoid.
01:24 <Cepheid> Spitfire...
01:24 <Cepheid> Please stop kneading on my arm.
01:31 <Schism> Cepheid: Well, is it really paranoia in this case?
01:31 <Schism> Anyhoof, hah. Cats.
01:41 * Surreal_Nightmares sneezie!
01:41 * Surreal_Nightmares kneads Schism
01:42 <Schism> Seafood dinner gives you huge stat increases for 4 minutes! o3o Issa tasty buff!
01:58 <Cepheid> Let's see... Need a healer, a tank, and at least 3 dps.
01:58 <Schism> Whatcha doin'?
01:59 <Cepheid> EONexus. I want games that are portable so I don't have to sit in my room all the time. Or go sit outside and plah.
01:59 <Schism> Fair nuff. o3o Well, I can be a healer.
01:59 * Ali flops over Schism as a curfew is in effect and those ignoring it are getting arrested.
02:00 <Schism> Ali: Better yet. Yesterday they declared a notification of curfew literally 5 minutes before it was in effect -- or in some places, right after.
02:00 <Ali> Well Schism things got out of control here fast
02:00 <Ali> The protest part was fine
02:00 <Cepheid> Lemuria... Why is that name familiar?
02:00 <Schism> The response? Not so much.
02:00 <Schism> Cepheid: Mu.
02:00 <Ali> Schism, IMPD worked with them
02:01 <Ali> But the moment a group decided to break into a government building
02:01 <Schism> Lemuria is one of the old 'ancient empires' conspiracy theorists and cryptohistorians like to bring up.
02:01 <Ali> And police pushed them out of the building and away from it
02:01 <Ali> That's when it went from protests to a full blown riot
02:02 <Schism> Ali: I suspect we're in disparate sides of this whole situation, but I have a very real reason to believe that the riots are, in fact, caused by police.
02:02 <Ali> Here it was not
02:02 <Schism> That is as far as I will bring it on this channel, however.
02:02 <Ali> Right, I'll stop
02:02 <Schism> I understand, and I don't know where you're located, so you may be correct.
02:03 <Schism> ...though you've as much as told me, so I'll take a look into the situation there.
02:04 <Cepheid> For the tank, I want someone who can draw attention. While the various guard skills are nice, they are costly, and take up a turn. It'd be nice if I could relegate those to as-needed status, and in the interim, draw single attacks to a single, heavily armored character.
02:05 <Cepheid> Protector seems to fit that role to a T. Taunt, guards, shield skills. Put it in the back row with the squishies to reduce damage they take.
02:06 <Schism> Seems the best spot.
02:10 <Cepheid> As befits my masochist nature, I'm the protector.
02:11 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, for healer, I need a class that has a high TP capacity, the ability to use ranged weapons, the ability to heal HP damage, and also heal binds and ailments.
02:11 * Ali throws healing pots everywhere
02:11 <Cepheid> I wish.
02:12 <Cepheid> With 60 item slots max, taken up by enemy drops, items are a premium.
02:13 <Schism> You've got some issues there, then. Looks like while the Medic can use Caduceus, that's a front-line weapon.
02:13 <Cepheid> Effectively, the only class that meets most of those requirements is Medic. They can't use ranged weapons. But apparently this game has subclassing, so I could just subclass later for ranged combat.
02:15 <Schism> Seems like you might also want an Arcanist for the sheer weight of debuffs.
02:15 <Cepheid> Next up, the DPS. Need at the least, a spread of elemental and physical damage types.
02:15 <Ali> You know the one minor irk of Terraria is
02:16 <Ali> How quickly you have to progress from the Three Mech Bosses and onto Plantera
02:16 <Ali> There's not much that changes at that point and the options for new weapons and armor are still quite limited
02:16 <Schism> Yeah, because the spread of those biomes...
02:16 <Ali> I've got the Megashark, and that's the best gun till you defeat the Moon Lord
02:17 <Ali> But it does paltry damage despite its high RoF
02:17 <Cepheid> There is... Stab, Cut, Strike damage types for melee. For elemental, Ice, Fire, Volt.
02:18 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #2178 [ http://tinyurl.com/ychrbt7p ]
02:19 <Cepheid> Zodiacs can handle elemental and...
02:19 <Cepheid> At veteran rank, they can pick up a bash skill.
02:20 <Cepheid> Or, rather, an attack that uses the element of the equipped weapon. So if they somehow equipped something other than a staff, they could conceivably cause cut or stab damage as well.
02:21 <Schism> Zodiac/War Magus seems like it'd work.
02:22 <Cepheid> I wonder how effective the war healing spells are. Heal at start and end of turn could be beneficial. But yeah. That seems a good combination.
02:23 <Schism> Eh. Full party of red mages can do a world of insanity.
02:25 <Cepheid> Pugilist for frontline binds.
02:28 <Cepheid> Imperial for raw damage.
02:39 <Cepheid> Well we didn't die in the first battle.
02:44 <Schism> So far so good. So who's what?
02:45 <Cepheid> I'm protector. Ali's zodiac. Schism's healer. Adra is Imperial. Random name for pugilist.
02:45 * Ali headtilts
02:46 <Schism> Ali: You get to throw fire and ice and lightning at your enemies. o3o
02:46 * Surreal_Nightmares meow
02:47 <Schism> Surry gets to be pugilist. Ne?
02:47 <Ali> Schism, I got a high tension line
02:47 <Schism> Boops all the enemies.
02:47 <Ali> So no more stupid fishing line breaking
02:47 <Schism> Ali: Yes! Congrats -- that 1/7 chance feels more like 50%.
02:47 * Surreal_Nightmares chews on Schism!
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02:48 <Ali> Also I will warn you on one thing Schism
02:48 <Ali> DO NOT fish during a Blood Moon till later in Hardmode
02:48 <Schism> Thank you for letting me know. I've heard stories about fishing up... bad things.
02:48 <Ali> They have way too much HP that even the Megashark struggles to defeat them
02:48 <Ali> Its not the two mini bosses either
02:49 <Ali> Its just the Hardmode enemy, they have like 5000HP and hit like a truck
02:49 <Schism> Furrfu.
02:54 <Cepheid> Right. Initial grind time.
02:54 * Schism listens to "Under a Violet Moon" by Blackmore's Night.
02:59 <Schism> Hm. Case fan isn't initiating until the CPU or other parts get too hot. While that's fine, I am a bit concerned.
03:00 <Cepheid> That may be normal behaviour.
03:00 <Schism> No, that's fine.
03:00 <Schism> Unfortunately, the motherboard I picked up has only one casefan connector, so I'm a little bit paranoid about what'll come about.
03:01 <Cepheid> In fact, I'd even go so far to say it is normal behaviour.
03:01 <Cepheid> Also, what motherboard is it?
03:01 <Schism> I'm afraid it's the Gigabyte B450M. I've resituated the box into a location with proper airflow, so this isn't going to be a big issue, though.
03:02 <Schism> It was the only one Canada Computers had in stock at that time and I'll admit I went for efficiency over efficacy.
03:03 <Cepheid> Huh. Really only one fan. Then in that case?
03:03 <Schism> Three, four if you want. Lots of grates.
03:03 <Schism> It's typically not a big deal. There are lots of filters which I keep clean.
03:04 <Cepheid> I recommend picking up a fan hub. https://www.amazon.ca/DEEPCOOL-FH-10-Integrated-Occupying-Motherboard/dp/B077YHLDSP
03:05 <Schism> Not a bad idea, especially as I do have a spare SATA slot or two. Perhaps I'll consider even picking up new fans.
03:06 <Schism> Running at full speed will probably degrade them to some extent, but better that than overheating.
03:06 <Cepheid> I use one in my server machine. Coupled with some quiet fans, makes for a good cooling solution.
03:08 <Schism> Sounds reasonable, so long as the airflow in general is set up properly.
03:08 <Cepheid> Regarding performance vs quietness, you generally can't go wrong with Noctua fans.
03:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Zecora Music: Dandelion - Zecora's Longing [Soundtrack] [ http://tinyurl.com/ybfjrwyn ]
03:09 <Schism> Hm, the Arctic fans seem like a fine choice.
03:09 <Cepheid> They aren't bad either.
03:09 <Schism> I'd have to wait for a few days from now to set that up, though.
03:10 <Cepheid> Just make sure to measure, or check the manual for your case, to get the right fan types and sizes.
03:10 <Schism> Problem is, I'd have to deal with intake/outflow. I could probably set up a front intake on the vent...
03:10 <Schism> Bleh. I am le tired.
03:11 <Schism> There's plenty of room for a case fan on the underside of the motherboard, but I have no clue how THAT could work out.
03:12 <Schism> I'll bookmark that page for now, Cephy.
03:13 <Cepheid> Sounds good.
03:14 <Schism> The case has a ton of airflow, but... I'll definitely need to get more fans.
03:14 <Schism> Probably when I upgrade to a better video card.
03:19 <Cepheid> I know it's Atlus, but man, seriously? Why poison on the first floor?
03:32 <Cepheid> Right. I'll continue this tomorrow. Getting late, and I should at least try to get some sleep.
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03:38 <Schism> Perhaps I should do the same -- I'm reading some stories and I can get caught up in them. Yeesh.
03:40 * Surreal_Nightmares kneads Schism tummy
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03:40 * Filly_Nightmares haz lotsa fans in her compuper!
03:41 <Schism> Need more in mine~
03:41 <Schism> It isn't doing much now, though, so the airflow and one fan are fine.
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05:25 <Finwe> Morning, everypony!
05:25 <Finwe> Mlles Ali, Filly_Nightmares and PrincessRainbows; Messrs Cepheid, Schism and PinkieShy.
05:25 * Finwe doffs his hat.
05:26 * Ali grumps on Finwe as she got torn asunder as usual by Plantera
05:29 * Finwe patpats Ali.
05:31 <Finwe> A bit more practice and you'll defeat her.
05:33 <Finwe> Meanwhile, you can listen to
05:33 <Finwe> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-V8kYT1pvE
05:33 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
05:33 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Pantera - I'm Broken (Official Music Video)
05:33 <Ali> Finwe, I've played Terraria for awhile now
05:33 <Ali> I shouldn't have trouble with this stupid boss, but I always do
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05:49 <Cepheid> Blegh. Can't sleep due to coughing.
06:01 <Finwe> I'm all too familiar with that.
06:01 * Finwe patpats the Cepheid.
06:02 <Cepheid> Well, soon I'll have a prescription to help deal with it.
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06:31 * Finwe noms on Ali's tail.
06:36 * Ali boops Finwe nosie
06:37 * PrincessRainbows makes upset little filly noises and flops on Ali
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06:40 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
06:41 * PrincessRainbows also hugs ConfusionRift so much
06:44 * ConfusionRift huggles PrincessRainbows back.
06:44 * PrincessRainbows licks all the ponies a bit
06:51 * PrincessRainbows decides to curl up for sleepies under ConfusionRift and grabs a blanket and pacifier. Nini
06:52 * Ali flops over ConfusionRift and grumps about Plantera
06:53 <ConfusionRift> Oh... the wall...
06:53 * ConfusionRift lightly pats PrincessRainbows, then sighs and walk to Ali with a blazing 1911. "Hear ya had them plant problems." :P
06:55 <Ali> If only
06:55 <Ali> There's no better ranged weapon to find
06:55 <Ali> I have the Unreal Megashark
06:56 <Ali> Chloro Armor is expensive and a waste of materials
06:56 <ConfusionRift> I mean, aside from that with chlorophyte ammo.
06:56 <Ali> Then there's either Shroomite or Spectre and those are expensive mats as well
06:56 <Ali> I'm just using endless musket pouch and frost armor
06:56 <Ali> Grants Frostburn
06:56 <Ali> But other than that. I dunno, I'm at 500 HP
06:57 <ConfusionRift> Unfortunately, you might need the higher damage output.
06:57 <Ali> But there could be better accessories
06:57 <Ali> But the biggest upgrade to ranged
06:57 <Ali> Comes from the skelly ranger underground
06:57 <Ali> And most of my underground is corrupt now
06:57 <Ali> So they either don't spawn much, or suicide into lava.
06:59 * ConfusionRift scratches his head.
07:00 <Ali> I mean its stupid
07:00 <Ali> I either need the Ranger Emblem from WoF
07:00 <Ali> Or those quivers that ONLY drop from the skelly archer at like a 1% rate
07:01 <Ali> I like the game, but why do they make some items such a crap drop rate?
07:01 <Ali> Like turtle armor
07:01 <Ali> Finding the three turtle shells is like impossible
07:05 <ConfusionRift> Ugh... turtle armor. Especially with spawns so messed up as they are.
07:10 <ConfusionRift> Also, I'm sure it's mostly a melee armor.
07:11 <ConfusionRift> Oh, never mind. It's defensive armor, with retaliation damage.
07:12 * ConfusionRift sighs. "It is melee armor. I'm dumb."
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07:17 <ConfusionRift> I remember out last... run... I was using a chlorophyte repeater.
07:17 <ConfusionRift> As to with what, I don't remember.
07:18 <Ali> Probably Chlorophyte or Hallow Armor
07:18 <Ali> I'd wish for a solar eclpse caues Mothron for broken swords
07:18 <Ali> Cause I have Nights Edge and Excalibur waiting for them to become the Terra Blade
07:18 <Ali> But really there's no good melee weapons either at this point in time
07:25 <ConfusionRift> I know it was chlorophyte armor. I just don't remember what were the accessories. I think I had the magic quiver, the ranger badge, and something else similar.
07:26 <ConfusionRift> Flaming arrows? Hmmmm....
07:27 <Ali> See I don't even have that
07:27 <Ali> I have wings and boots and a upgraded band of regeneration
07:27 <Ali> And a few other meh accessories with warding cause I'm a wuss when it comes to taking damage.
07:30 * ConfusionRift checks Bruce. "Oh right, I changed his gear to melee."
07:32 <Ali> Cause I was doing a terrible job with melee...
07:32 <ConfusionRift> Thing is, last I remember... we got similar results.
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07:33 <ConfusionRift> We kept dying on the same point, which is what led to... you know. But still! In normal mode, it should be doable.
07:34 <Ali> Well you're also talking to someone who can't defeat the Moon Lord on their own.
07:35 <ConfusionRift> I haven't either. At least, not legitimately in normal mode vanilla.
07:36 <Ali> And in Journey Mode you can just cheese everything
07:36 <ConfusionRift> Oooohnooooo! I ran out of aaaammooooo. (click) Oh, will you look at that.
07:37 <Ali> Oh this boss is too hard *click* What was that again?
07:37 * PrincessRainbows makes sleepless horse noises and hugs Ali
07:38 * Ali huggles PrincessRainbows so much
07:38 <PrincessRainbows> Sleep is too hard
07:39 * PrincessRainbows boops Ali's horn for a sleeping spell
07:40 * Ali only does a teleboop spell to PrincessRainbows snoot
07:41 * PrincessRainbows hugs Ali like a plushie and tries harder then
07:41 * Ali hugs PrincessRainbows and hopes she can sleep
07:49 <Ali> HAHA, I laugh at you boulder trap, you can't hurt me~
07:50 * ConfusionRift hears an explosion. "...what was that?" o_0
07:54 <Ali> I CAN DANCE IN LAVA~
08:02 * ConfusionRift dances on lava, slowly sinks, then poofs to death.
08:02 <ConfusionRift> My money!
08:16 <Ali> Haha ConfusionRift I have like 10 dungeon guardians dancing on me
08:18 * ConfusionRift floats around Ali, spinning real fast. "GeTtInG dIzZyYyYyYyYyyyy~"
08:22 <Golden> Meme....approved.
08:22 <Ali> Pft I've got 3 golden keys ConfusionRift
08:22 <Ali> SO now I can dupe them
08:22 <Golden> Nice
08:23 <Ali> What infinite mana as well, what is this
08:25 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift, Capt Koopz.
08:25 <Finwe> o7
08:25 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
08:27 <Ali> I'm waiting to find the blue moon ConfusionRift to see what happens, I"m sure still 1 damage to these idiots
08:43 <ConfusionRift> At this point, probably.
08:43 <ConfusionRift> Oh wait... it got a boost in 1.4.
08:44 <ConfusionRift> From 23 to 54 damage.
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08:48 <Ali> Flails are pretty strong in pre hardmode
08:48 <Ali> Also the guardians are starting to die ConfusionRift
08:52 <Ali> I had 14 dungeon guardians on me ConfusionRift
08:54 <ConfusionRift> Hehehe. :P
08:57 * Finwe flails at Ali.
09:06 <Ali> Uhhh
09:07 <Ali> I just found meteorite bars in a shadow chest
09:07 <ConfusionRift> ...wat?
09:08 <Ali> Well again, I'm kinda skipping content cause I got into the dungeon and shouldn't have been able to loot a shadow key by now.
09:08 <ConfusionRift> Apparently, that can happen. 50% chance of either gold/platinum or meteorite bars.
09:16 <ConfusionRift> Had no idea. (shrugs)
09:26 <Ali> Also sitting on eater of worlds with a sunfury is funny
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11:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #1949 [ http://tinyurl.com/y7478gqs ]
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12:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Startrix - Bang Bang Meme [ http://tinyurl.com/ybuk3hon ]
12:11 * Schism headtilts at the Ali. "Golden key duplication?"
12:12 * Lumindia_ boops Schism
12:12 <Lumindia_> Hecc
12:13 <Finwe> Messrs Lumindia_ and Schism.
12:13 * Finwe doffs his hat.
12:16 * Schism plants a flag next to Lumindia. Now he can teleport next to Lumindia alllllll the time.
12:24 * PrincessRainbows randomly licks Finwe till he's dripping and trots away
12:25 <Finwe> Miss PrincessRainbows.
12:25 * Finwe doffs his apparently wet hat.
12:27 <Schism> If Antifa is a real organization and not a loose collection of people who think that fascism is bad, does that mean that I can now get every Discordian church 501(c)(3) status?
12:34 <Finwe> Today is Boomtime, the 6th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3186. o3o
12:35 <Schism> Certainly feels like it.
12:35 * PrincessRainbows returns to hug Finwe so tighy
12:35 <Finwe> And, at the same time, Mon Sep 9771 15:35:32 EEST 1993.
12:36 <Finwe> Which means that the ten thousandth day of the Eternal September is next year. o3o
12:36 * Finwe hugs PrincessRainbows.
12:37 <Schism> Today is also the feast day of St. Verdure, who pricked his finger on a sprig of mistletoe, whereupon the vine grew to enormous sizes and choked the life out of six trees, draining half of his blood. Inspired by this, he traveled to a hungry village, lay down amongst the leeks and cabbages, and donated the other half.
12:39 <Schism> (Inspired by the magnificent @hiddenfeastdays.)
12:51 <Schism> Ladies and gentlemen, epistemology encapsulated in a handy one-sheet. https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/1267437611750166528
12:59 <Finwe> I say.
13:00 <Schism> It of course doesn't capture every single question, but it gets the majority.
13:01 <Finwe> Indeed.
13:01 <Finwe> The world would be a better place if people asked themselves those questions before rushing into action.
13:02 <Schism> It's a pity that so many don't know what the right questions are in the first place.
13:03 <Schism> I mean, 'Cui Bono?' is, or at least should be, the standard for any investigation.
13:11 <Finwe> For whose benefit?
13:12 <Schism> Precisely.
13:13 <Schism> This is more commonly described as 'motive'.
13:16 <Schism> Ah, looks like it was taken from here. https://wabisabilearning.com/blogs/critical-thinking/critical-thinking-skills-cheatsheet-infographic
13:24 <Schism> Anyway, best to be asking these questions all the time.
13:26 <Finwe> For whose benefit?
13:27 <Finwe> How is this similar to water polo?
13:27 <Finwe> Why should people know about this?
13:32 <Schism> Why, for our own benefit, and because politics is always a game of water polo.
13:33 * PrincessRainbows boops Finwe's hora repeatedly and giggles
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13:54 * Lumindia_ does a gentle boop on Angie's snootle
13:54 <Lumindia_> o vo
14:08 * PrincessRainbows boops Lumindia_ with her snoot
14:13 <Lumindia_> o vo
14:13 * Lumindia_ counterboop!
14:30 * Finwe scrunchymuzzles.
14:31 * PrincessRainbows makes happy filly noises
14:32 * Finwe snuggles PrincessRainbows prior to heading to the university for a meeting.
14:36 * Schism passes around some creamed peas on toast.
14:50 * Schism notes that it's peas in a bechamel sauce. o3o;
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16:18 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Rarity Music: Stallionslaughter - Make Stuff (Limp Bizkit Parody) [Nu Metal] [ http://tinyurl.com/y7sqjgkc ]
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16:34 <Cepheid> Morning.
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16:43 <Schism> Hoi.
17:02 <Schism> Starting to think that we should start describing 'rubber bullets' as 'hockey pucks', as that might get the point across properly.
17:05 <Schism> In that if you throw a hockey puck at someone's head at 200ft/sec, they're not going to have a good day.
17:06 <Stormspark> kinetic energy is kinetic energy, it doesn't matter what the material is
17:07 <Stormspark> you could kill someone if you threw a wet sponge at them with enough forge
17:07 <Stormspark> *force
17:07 <Schism> Indeed. Though it would admittedly have to be a substantial amount.
17:07 <Schism> There is no such thing as a non-lethal anything.
17:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Fanfiction: Away [ http://tinyurl.com/y9yctbke ]
17:21 <Cepheid> I think I figured out why I can't play games.
17:21 <Schism> Za?
17:22 <Cepheid> Environment. I am getting tired of sitting in my bedroom to play games. I'm downstairs playing EON, and I'm handling it fine.
17:22 <Schism> Aha! That could well be it, yes.
17:23 <Cepheid> Hum. Need another level or two, and some better gear before I start exploring this place in earnest. Especially since I can't get Ariadne Threads.
17:24 <Cepheid> ... You know, I wonder where the word "ariadne" comes from.
17:28 <Schism> Greek word, a Cretan princess who was greatly associated with spiders, minotaurs and mazes. An Ariadne thread might be one which is knotted up into a difficult ball to unravel.
17:29 <Schism> Alternately, it might be one which is associated with the old labyrinth, where Theseus left a thread from the entrance so he could find his way out.
17:29 <Cepheid> Interestingly, I for some reason assumed the word itself was related to spiders/arachnids. Not sure why.
17:29 <Schism> Arachne, probably.
17:30 <Schism> Anyway, Ariadne was the one who provided Theseus with the sword to kill the minotaur, and the ball of thread to find his way out. However, they weren't too bright back then, because a classical labyrinth only has one path.
17:38 <Cepheid> Heh.
17:39 <Cepheid> But yeah it is likely Arachne. Because when I thought of the word Ariadne, the image that came to mind is a half-human, half-spider hybrid creature, the human part is female. A common creature usually assigned the name Arachne.
17:42 <Cepheid> Seriously, why poison from the get-go, and such a strong one? At level 1, you have maybe 40 HP minimum. The poison does up to 38 damage.
17:47 * Cepheid moves protector to front row after realizing back row enemies can't hit the back row protector.
17:54 <Cepheid> ... Seriously. 1 EXP for the next level. On all characters.
17:55 * Cepheid also fixes up names. Faden becomes Stormy for Stormspark. o3o
18:03 <Cepheid> One more level should do. By then the front row should have all their weapons up to date.
18:21 <Cepheid> Can't decide what's worse. The Muscle Fly's Tackle or the Spraying Skunk's poison. Former is an attack used almost exclusively every turn and hurts like hell(30-60 depending on defense. It can OHKO at player level 1), or the poison at 30 or so damage a round.
18:24 <Cepheid> This game makes me want to study Japanese again because the voice overs, unlike in EO5, are all Japanese. Even the side commentary with no captioning for it.
18:25 <Cepheid> "Yoroshiku...desu..."
18:25 <Schism> It's almost like Nexus is the epitome of the whole Etrian Odyssey series, and they wanted the pain to fit.
18:26 <Cepheid> Basically.
18:27 <Cepheid> It is considered the end of the story of all the games. Including ones unreleased in the states.
18:27 <Cepheid> The chronology is messed up though in terms of the games. Officially, the start of the story is EO5.
18:28 <Cepheid> Then EO1, EO2, EO3, and E0R all seem to be in a nebulous state in the timeline. It is best to assume they all simultaneously occur.
18:28 <Cepheid> EO4*
18:29 <Cepheid> The two side game series, the Mystery Dungeon games, seem to take place after the main series that preceded them.
18:29 <Cepheid> As they both reference the events of the games that precede them.
18:31 <Cepheid> The reason for the nebulous state of games 1 through 4 is that none of them reference the other games.
18:32 <Cepheid> EO5 meanwhile, has a definite position, as it's true ending implies that it occurs long before the events of EO1.
18:33 <Cepheid> The implication in fact, is that your party travels to Earth with Arken to seed life upon it.
18:34 <Cepheid> Interestingly, this happens whether you kill the Star Devourer or not.
18:35 <Cepheid> All that changes is Arken expresses sadness over the fact that she is the last of her race, which died trying to defeat the Star Devourer, who remains sealed(or left alive if you just walk past it.)
18:36 <Cepheid> Otherwise, she expresses gratitude and extreme shock over defeating the Star Devourer, and it continues as normal.
18:36 <Cepheid> So, officially, it is unknown whether the Star Devourer is alive or not. Presumably the canon ending is that it is defeated.
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18:56 <Cepheid> I find it interesting that a series known for risque artwork at times would do something sensible. Persephone, the princess of Maginia, has armor on that, while being designed to include some space for her chest, is not sexualized in any way. It looks like heavy plate armor with no accentuation of her body, other than ensuring that it fits well, so as to not be loose. She actually looks like she'd be terrifying to fight.
18:58 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Parody - They Call Me Ditzy Doo [ http://tinyurl.com/ybfumtab ]
18:59 <Cepheid> https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fgematsu.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F04%2FEtrian-Odyssey-X_2018_04-16-18_059.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fgematsu.com%2F2018%2F04%2Fetrian-odyssey-x-first-details-screenshots&docid=10deo3S93Iog0M&tbnid=kvziungUqv-jrM%3A&vet=1&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim
19:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Everything Wrong With What About Discord? in 5 Minutes or Less [ http://tinyurl.com/y9blpzrh ]
19:15 <Cepheid> Right. Everyone is equipped as strongly as possible given circumstances. Assuming that the Air Wolf has no special items.
19:16 <Cepheid> And they don't.
19:16 <Schism> Cepheid: You might like this tale of recovering an unreleased NES game's source code. https://gamehistory.org/days-of-thunder-nes-unreleased/
19:17 <Cepheid> Heh.
19:18 <Cepheid> Time to finish the map and then murder the boss.
19:19 <Cepheid> I love the ruins theme...
19:20 <Cepheid> !link https://youtu.be/Tg71Smld1II
19:20 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Etrian Odyssey Nexus - Music: Eastern Shrine
19:20 <Cepheid> Even better. It was so good?
19:20 <Cepheid> !link https://youtu.be/8Cu0J6gRpPg
19:20 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Etrian Odyssey Nexus - Music: Yggdrasil Labyrinth
19:29 <Schism> Hum. I've half a mind to head to the Beer Store and pick up some Guinness.
19:30 <Cepheid> Level acquired. Level 6. Let's get outta here, rest, save, then murder.
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19:31 <Schism> Murderin's always good.
19:31 <Ali> So Schism, Journey mode is actually pretty silly
19:31 <Ali> I turned on God Mode for laughs
19:31 * Schism passes Ali a pale ale with a slice of lemon. "Oh?"
19:31 <Cepheid> Specially when it leads to a new area, Schism.
19:31 <Ali> And walked right into the dungeon
19:31 <Schism> Guardian kill you anyway?
19:32 <Ali> Had 14 Dungeon guardians spinning on me
19:32 <Schism> Oh. Hee.
19:32 <Ali> And dancing in lava
19:32 <Ali> Also no aglet >.>
19:32 <Schism> Journey/Creative mode is a nice addition.
19:32 <Schism> <.<
19:32 * Schism holds up the seven aglets he's found so far.
19:32 <Ali> This seed sucked in a way, but I made it small to just jerk around in
19:32 <Cepheid> Blossombeast. o3o
19:32 <Ali> No boots, no aglet
19:33 <Cepheid> Gee I wonder what it is weak to.
19:33 <Ali> But I have sunfury already
19:33 * Ali spins it right round baby right round
19:34 <Schism> Sunfury's not too hard to get, so long as it actually spawns in the seed. Grav. Potions, ahoy.
19:37 <Ali> Sunfury is the mace in a shadow chest Schism, you're thinking Starfury
19:37 <Schism> Oh, right. Eh.
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19:40 <RainbowDash> And of course, can't forget the daily disconnect
19:41 * Angeline snuggles under Lumindia. Minerpony.
19:41 <Cepheid> Boss be dead. Overprepared.
19:43 <Schism> Overpreparing -is- the name of the game.
19:43 <Cepheid> Memory Conch acquired. Can now start making secondary party members who don't need to be in combat to earn levels. I'll make an Arcanist.
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19:44 * Cepheid buys 3 ariadne threads.
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19:48 <Cepheid> Now's a good time to take a break and take a shower.
19:50 * Schism decides to head off to the beer store after all.
20:06 * Cepheid returns. Clean as a whistle.
20:07 <Cepheid> Off to EO4's first dungeon.
20:26 <Starlight_Glimmer> !mail Ali Gone! Goooone! *cries*
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20:32 <Finwe> Good evening, my perissodactyls of minute stature.
20:33 <Finwe> Mlles Filly_Nightmares and PrincessRainbows; Messrs Cepheid, Schism and Starlight_Glimmer.
20:33 * Finwe doffs his hat.
20:33 <Cepheid> Finwe.
20:33 <Starlight_Glimmer> Good evening Finwe
20:33 * Finwe noms on Starlight_Glimmer's tail.
20:48 <Schism> rAdm. Finwe.
20:48 * Schism doffs his stout.
20:49 * Cepheid heads to the Small Orchard to gear up and grind on some weak FOEs.
20:51 <Schism> * Angry Baboon throws a Roller!
20:52 <Schism> Cutters, though, I take it?
20:52 <Cepheid> Gods don't remind me about that. I'm getting Arm Breaker up for that.
20:52 <Cepheid> Nah. Orchard contains smaller versions of the usual deer FOE. Easy pickings. Killing them all spawns mama though.
20:53 <Schism> Aha.
20:55 <Cepheid> Good place for items and EXP though. Better than floor 2 of the lush woodlands. I am not looking forward to floor 3. Furthest I got in the past was the boss of the Woodlands, and... Well...
20:55 <Cepheid> They throw two bosses back-to-back against you.
20:57 <Schism> Yeech.
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20:58 <Cepheid> They give you a heal in between, and provide a save chance as well.
20:58 <Cepheid> But the choice is... Yeah.
20:58 <Cepheid> Boss of the first stratum in EO4, and the boss of the second stratum in EO1.
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21:07 <Schism> Mmm. Guinness.
21:07 <Cepheid> I could use a drink to be honest.
21:07 <Schism> A cool cider, for example?
21:07 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
21:08 <Cepheid> Parents will get some for me. I asked politely.
21:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Drawfriend Stuff (Pony Art Gallery) #3360 [ http://tinyurl.com/y8hrdlax ]
21:09 * PrincessRainbows decides to chew on Finwe's hat
21:09 <Schism> Excellent. Though the LCBO is closed... well, Sobey's should have it available.
21:11 <Cepheid> I think that's where they are gonna get it.
21:12 <Cepheid> Right. Mama is peeved. Time to leave the Orchard. Or... *insane*
21:15 <Schism> Heh. Not saving first?
21:15 <Cepheid> I saved. Not that crazy.
21:15 <Cepheid> Right. This thing calls for help.
21:18 <reiko> hello there
21:19 <Cepheid> Aaand I lost.
21:19 <Cepheid> Need a bit more ppwer.
21:21 <Cepheid> Actually what I need is a source of Amritas.
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21:35 <Cepheid> Game says that the FOE of the first major stratum are of approximately equal level. I'd like to say I know better, but... *Tries*
21:37 <Cepheid> Yeah no. Not yet.
21:42 <Cepheid> Save the FOEs for before the boss.
21:47 * Cepheid runs into two angry baboons and a roller. "Nope."
21:48 <Schism> Oh gods. That'd take out your front row very quickly.
21:49 <Schism> Pff. This comic is cute. The strongest mage in the kingdom has tried to defeat the Demon Queen multiple times -- not because she wants to kill her, but for romance's sake.
21:50 <Schism> She's reached the point that all the demon generals just greet her with a smile and let her pass, unless they're itching for a fight.
21:55 <Cepheid> Heh, I think I know which comic you are talking abnout.
21:56 <Schism> Mage & Demon Queen. It's tooth-rottingly cute.
21:58 <Cepheid> 3rd floor. Staying away until I'm better geared. The game pulls a nasty trick on it.
21:58 <Cepheid> Throws a boss-level enemy at you with no warning or chance to retreat. It is at half health, sure, but...
21:59 <Schism> Didn't they do that before?
21:59 <Cepheid> No. Not like this.
21:59 <Cepheid> Every boss previously you had a choice of facing or running.
22:00 <Cepheid> This just goes space-flea-out-of-nowhere and throws you into a boss battle without warning.
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22:00 <Schism> Ah, I'd thought they'd pulled the 'boss out of nowhere' thing before. Yeesh.
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22:02 <Cepheid> I'd like to also be approximately level 12.
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22:32 <Cepheid> Hum. So far, this group is holding up.
22:45 <Ali> Lava fishing sucks, the time between bites is terribly long.
22:49 <Schism> "Because I like... I like... I like killing you." X3
22:54 <Ali> Well now
22:54 * Ali gives Schism a bottomless Lava Bucket
22:55 * Schism pours it into a hole, brings out the fishing rod, and fishes up another one somehow.
23:01 * Ali did fish up a second one
23:03 <Cepheid> Guh... I killed the weakened Berserker King. Floor 3 is open to me now.
23:07 <Cepheid> Unfortunately the party setup I have is not conducive to fighting it. So the full thing should be... Interesting.
23:08 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Community Soapbox - Constitutional Monarchy in Poni, Spike Ditching Friends, Word of Staff Being Canon, and More! [ http://tinyurl.com/yd5fhwex ]
23:09 <Ali> 8/10 crafts X.x
23:09 <Schism> Bahaha. "Put a rare item in the first chest. Fill the rest with explosives and poisonous gas."
23:09 <Ali> Or boulders and dyanamyte Schism
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23:18 <Schism> Stupid trapped golden chests.
23:18 <Ali> What's funny
23:18 <Ali> Its its not the boulders that get me
23:18 <Ali> Or the dart traps
23:19 <Ali> Its the ONE missed dynamite stick I didn't see that blows me to pieces.
23:21 * Lumindia_ heccs quietly at Ali, then snugs
23:22 <Schism> And then there's the fun of Ant Hell.
23:32 <Cepheid> Hum. I prolly have enough strength to beat that deer into pulp now.
23:46 <Cepheid> Dead deer.
23:47 <Schism> Do not eat.
23:47 <Cepheid> Not this one, yeah.
23:59 <Schism> "What... is happening... in this seed."
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