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00:10 * Schism blinks at the 'clink' of space debris against her windshield. "Stupid station, polluting things."
00:22 <Schism> Can't wait to get that Cobra III...
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00:30 <Schism> In no small part because a Cobra III will let me actually haul cargo. ;-;
00:30 <ADragonDreaming> aye
00:30 <Schism> Without, pointedly, being totally defenseless.
00:31 <ADragonDreaming> I got the money for it via bounty hunting in the sidewinder.
00:31 <Schism> Probably let me try some landings, too. o3o
00:39 <Schism> Bounty hunting is not a bad idea; I'm doin' hauling right now.
00:42 <Schism> It would perhaps behoove me to do some scans of all those interesting-looking items in this solar system.
00:42 * Ali noms on Schism's ship
00:42 * Schism squeaks. "My paint job!"
00:42 <ADragonDreaming> You can get a lot of money selling scan data
00:45 <Schism> Hmm. o3o
00:46 <Schism> Well, once I'm in a tasty, tasty Cobra III.
00:47 <ADragonDreaming> you can't sell the scan data within 20 lightyears of where you acquired it.
00:47 <ADragonDreaming> so it's more like a nest egg
00:48 <Schism> Still potentially helpful.
00:48 <ADragonDreaming> oh aye
00:48 <ADragonDreaming> you can sell it for mad munz.
00:48 <Schism> 'kay, game. Lemme hyperdrive.
00:49 <Schism> Before I try to land on a mun, I should probably practice first, shouldn't I?
00:54 * Filly_Nightmares noms Schism because she haz big ships!
00:55 * Schism ees! Hassa smol sidewinder right now.
00:57 * Filly_Nightmares suckles on Schism floof because she haz an Anaconda wif stuff on it!
00:57 <Filly_Nightmares> O5o3o4o6o3o
00:58 * Schism eeees atta 146 million credit cost. o9o;;
00:59 <Filly_Nightmares> O3o
00:59 * Filly_Nightmares purr
00:59 * Filly_Nightmares wants to play wif Schism later! o5o2oo
01:02 * Schism buys a buncha grain ... and now has 340k credits...!
01:04 * Filly_Nightmares purr and chews on Schism tail
01:06 * Schism supercharges Surry's FSD!
01:09 <Schism> Finally! Cobra III get.
01:09 * Filly_Nightmares purrs and suckles on Schism tummy
01:11 <Schism> Comes with 18 storage...!
01:14 <Schism> However, first things first. Sidewinder, you're what I'll use to start a planetary approach. o3o;
01:17 <ADragonDreaming> My Cobra has 30+ slots now after I upgraded cargo bays to 3
01:17 <ADragonDreaming> *4
01:18 <Schism> Noice. o3o
01:18 <Schism> Compared to a functional maximum of 6, this will be much nicer.
01:18 <ADragonDreaming> I was doing mining to get credits but the mining is kind of ... ehn.
01:18 <ADragonDreaming> I can't help compare it to the mining in Space Engineers.
01:22 * Ali wouldn't know either.
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01:31 * Filly_Nightmares wondering ADragonDreaming is playing wif Schism!
01:31 <ADragonDreaming> Nope.
01:31 * Schism is inna newb zone!
01:31 <ADragonDreaming> I played Elite Dangerous long enough to realize I wasn't into it.
01:32 * Filly_Nightmares goes o6o
01:32 * Filly_Nightmares uses ADragonDreaming as nest
01:32 * Filly_Nightmares is waiting for space legs update!
01:36 <Schism> I should trust the docking systems more. But yeeesh...
01:36 <ADragonDreaming> trust them more in what sense?
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01:40 <Cepheid> https://www.reddit.com/r/dankmemes/comments/j556iv/dark_green_punching_the_screen/
01:41 <ADragonDreaming> I mean as impostor that is the play.
01:41 <ADragonDreaming> and then the next time around you accuse your actual teammate so that they don't believe you.
01:41 <Schism> Egh. Forgot half my delivery materials! Ahahahaha... ha...
01:41 <ADragonDreaming> whoops.
01:43 * Schism takes a break. For to shower and run to store.
01:44 * Filly_Nightmares uses Cepheid as a bed
01:48 * Cepheid takes a quick peek at news since falling asleep earlier. Just sighs.
01:52 <Cepheid> Schism, landing on planets isn't that difficult.
01:53 <Dappled> Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing. One you can reuse the vehihcle is great.
01:54 <Dappled> Also what game for landing on planets? I must know.
01:54 <Cepheid> You simply approach the planet at one of it's points of interest, enter the atmosphere, approach the ground, and basically, you just apply the same basic techniques for landing on a platform to get the ship on the ground.
01:54 <Cepheid> Dappled, Elite Dangerous.
01:54 * Dappled plays that game sometimes.
01:54 * Dappled does the exploration thing.
01:55 <Dappled> Also, Atmosphere, Cepheid?
01:55 <Dappled> Pretty sure that update isn't here yet.
01:56 * Ali flops over Dappled
01:56 <Cepheid> ... What, exactly do you think is the atmosphere?
01:56 * Dappled brushies, Cephied.
01:56 * Dappled brushies Ali.
01:57 <Dappled> Gas surrounding the planet.
01:57 <Dappled> You really don't have to worry about overheating when your landing on current planets.
01:58 <ADragonDreaming> The only time overheating seems to be an issue is when you fly too close to the star, or emergency exit supercruise
01:58 * Dappled hopes that overheating is a thing on the next batch of landable planets with Odyssey
01:59 <ADragonDreaming> you know, one thing that annoys me? When you have a hyperdrive target locked in you can't enter supercruise, it always tried to entere hyperdrive.
01:59 <Cepheid> Star, I can understand. Damned things have ta corona, which is millions of degrees hotter than the surface for some reason.
01:59 <ADragonDreaming> and if the target is blocked from LoS
01:59 <ADragonDreaming> you can't do anything.
01:59 <Dappled> Bind another key for supercruise, ADragonDreaming.
01:59 <ADragonDreaming> Eh. It's annoying behavior.
01:59 <Dappled> You can bind a key specifically for supercruise and not hyper
01:59 <ADragonDreaming> Given they already have contextual behavior for the command they could easily fix the contextual behavior there.
02:00 <ADragonDreaming> If you aren't pointed at the target, just have it enter supercruise, not hyperdrive.
02:00 <Cepheid> Ehhh..
02:00 <ADragonDreaming> My complaint is mostly with the design decision.
02:00 <Cepheid> That's kind of a feature I wouldn't want.
02:00 <Cepheid> I may have a hyperdrive target set, but there may be a reason for me to want to Supercruise out in it's general direction.
02:01 <Cepheid> Without activating the hyperdrive.
02:01 <Dappled> Being able to charge hyper drive and not pointing at your destination can be useful in combat.
02:01 <ADragonDreaming> I mean, you can supercruise out of combat too
02:02 <Dappled> Yes, but it's easier to jump to another system, jump again, rather than being followed immediately into super.
02:02 <Dappled> Of course that matters more for pvp than pve
02:02 <ADragonDreaming> that's far more situational.
02:03 <Schism> Atmosphere won't be a thing, anyway. Also, I was more worried about crashing into the planet.
02:04 <Dappled> That's one of the things confirmed for Odyssey, Schism.
02:04 <ADragonDreaming> I'm more just annoyed with the control setup, I mean if you're going to default bind the two features to the same key and add in appropriate contextual behavior
02:04 <ADragonDreaming> make sure the contextual behavior is fully considered.
02:04 <ADragonDreaming> or, just default bind them to two different keys.
02:04 * Filly_Nightmares noms Dappled happily
02:04 * Dappled patpats Filly_Nightmares
02:05 <ADragonDreaming> (Frankly the default control schemes seem... just plain weird)
02:05 <Schism> Must also get a proper scoop for my ship. o3o; In case I go asplorin' sometime.
02:05 * Filly_Nightmares kneads Schism and wonders wat Commander name is!
02:05 <Schism> The XBox controller setup is odd, true... also, Sedelyan!
02:05 * Dappled usually plays with hotas so no default set up.
02:05 <Schism> It grows on you, though.
02:05 * Schism also flees to the store to get milk, bread, more bread, and maybe some meat pies.
02:05 <ADragonDreaming> I don't have a controller.
02:06 <Dappled> If you got a mic and don't mind dropping some more money, you might consider Voice Attack.
02:06 <ADragonDreaming> I tried out the mouse/keyboard scheme for a bit but that was just bizarre.
02:06 <ADragonDreaming> switched to keyboard and I couldn't understand what they were thinking with the default keybinds
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02:09 <ADragonDreaming> Of course I grew up playing DOS-based dogfighters, like X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter, Aces Over Europe, and Wing Commander
02:10 <ADragonDreaming> And that F-16 mercenary game that was paired with Wing commander - Privateer
02:10 <ADragonDreaming> I am very accustomed to keyboard arrow controls for dogfighters, whether space-or atmospheric.
02:11 <Dappled> https://i.imgur.com/JGwdC32.jpeg I am rather proud of my set up for Elite.
02:14 <ADragonDreaming> mine's just my laptop.
02:16 * Filly_Nightmares hungry floofy
02:17 <ADragonDreaming> btw Schism I did that line puzzle thing
02:17 <Dappled> If I'm just exploring, I'll usually just pull out that side panel... I should get a label printer.
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02:29 <Schism> Adra: There are infinite variations. o3o
02:29 <Schism> Dappled: That does look like a fine setup. o3o
02:29 <ADragonDreaming> I'm aware, but it turned out to be fairly simple at the default level.
02:30 <Schism> True. Once you know the tricks to the topology, it's not _hard_.
02:34 * Schism notes to Filly_Nightmares, issa Sedelyan.
02:38 * Schism also wanders back to Coelho Station. Then, now that she knows she can properly land on planets, she starts kitting out her Cobra.
02:38 <Dappled> A Cobra?
02:38 <ADragonDreaming> Schism's in the newbie area.
02:38 <Dappled> Oh, that would do it.
02:39 <ADragonDreaming> I also still have a cobra, because I technically only recently left the newbie area.
02:39 <Schism> I'm learning the game, so.
02:40 <Schism> At least Cobras are fairly good at the start, right? o3o
02:41 <ADragonDreaming> They're literally the best ship you can buy in the starting area.
02:41 <Dappled> I'm either running exploration or trading. If I do combat, I'm in an end game ship from grinding up money one of the other ways.
02:41 <Dappled> So I typically live in a Diamondback Explorer.
02:42 <ADragonDreaming> I considered that as my next upgrade.
02:42 <ADragonDreaming> Cobra's are a good "do anything" ship
02:43 <Dappled> Really thoug,, Diamondback explorer/scout is enough for good exploration. Sure the asp has more slots, but I can jump farther in my DB.
02:43 * Schism noddles. Also, hums, and decides to transfer the Cobra remotely. Waits the 6 minutes while making some tea.
02:43 <Dappled> And you don't have to worry about overheating in stars cause the DB is very cool.
02:44 <Dappled> That said, bring an afm anyway, accidents happen.
02:45 <Schism> Right... it's Matet -> Dromi -> Otegene. Okay, then.
02:46 <Dappled> As for trading try to keep at least 20 ly range on whatever your highest cargo ship is when it's full of stuff and if you don't want to deal with pvp, play in private.
02:50 <Schism> Hum, bumping up from 3E to 3D sensors seems a worthwhile option.
02:51 <Dappled> D sensors are also the lightest weight before engineering. So a good choice regardless.
02:51 <Dappled> Sorry d modules.
02:53 <Schism> If I want weapons, I should bop over to the combat planet, shouldn't I. Well, I'm just going to Otigene in this case, for to get mining tools...
02:56 * Cepheid flops.
02:57 <Cepheid> Stomach, whyyyy?
02:57 <Dappled> Don't forget your limpits.
02:58 <Schism> Ha, ha.
02:58 * Dappled often forgets limpits and has to double back. It's irrating.
03:00 <Schism> When I go a'mining, I'll get limpets.
03:01 <Cepheid> I tend to be a mining and courier for such games.
03:01 <ADragonDreaming> I find myself frustrated with limpets taking up cargo space.
03:02 <ADragonDreaming> I also find myself frustrated with collector limpet behavior, in that if you have something targeted the limpet will go grab that thing and then immediately expire. Like, why.
03:05 <Schism> That, I know, is frustrating. @_@
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03:07 <Schism> Mmm. Aldrich Station. What mining tools for me have ye.
03:08 * Filly_Nightmares chews on Schism cheekies
03:08 <Cepheid> Spitfire, I know you want to be close to me as much as possible, but breaking into my bathroom is... a bit much.
03:09 * Schism boops the Filly_Nightmares wif some uranium!
03:09 * Filly_Nightmares kneads ADragonDreaming because limpets crash into stuff and ded right away!
03:09 * Filly_Nightmares sneezies at Schism!
03:09 <ADragonDreaming> no, see, if I release a collector with no target it hangs around me and auto-collects everything for however long the time limit is on the controller.
03:10 <Schism> Yup. But if you have a container targeted, it grabs, returns, and goes poofle.
03:10 <ADragonDreaming> which is dumb.
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03:12 * Schism turns in a buncha quests, sells a buncha junk, winds up with 300,000 creds again.
03:14 <Schism> Hmm. Mining lasers... the turret ones are better.
03:19 <ADragonDreaming> I mean... asteroids are a stationary target.
03:19 <Schism> Yeah, that's a given.
03:20 * Schism upgrades power supply, upgrades FSD.
03:21 <Schism> Where are the mining limpets, game. :<
03:21 <ADragonDreaming> all limpets are the same, it's the controllers.
03:22 <Schism> Yes, but I'm not seeing any collection limpet controllers. Harrumph.
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03:29 * Cepheid wobbles onto Schism's ship.
03:30 <Cepheid> Gotta be everywhere I am, don't you cat?
03:30 <Cepheid> You're like a parasite. :P
03:34 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/nI5z9dO.gifv
03:38 * Schism provides Cepheid with a bag. Landing on planets makes her slightly seasick.
03:44 <Cepheid> Oh my gods cat why!?
03:45 <Cepheid> Hum, vertigo, Schism?
03:47 * Filly_Nightmares pur
03:49 <Cepheid> Seriously, cat?
03:58 <Cepheid> ...
03:58 <Cepheid> Me's bothered by the sound of a baby otter squealing.
04:00 <Cepheid> Bothered so much he's attacking me.
04:03 * Schism pats Cepheid. And Spitfire.
04:05 <Cepheid> This pretty much all-but confirms that I'll never be able to bring another cat into my house for as long as Spitfire lives.
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04:08 * Filly_Nightmares kneads Schism because she sent a friend request! 4ooo2o42o6o65o624o642o
04:09 * Schism is now friends with CMDR Surry. o3o3o
04:09 * Filly_Nightmares kneads Schism and wonders if wanna do private group! o5o43o
04:09 * Schism issa newbie! Older players cannae enter newbie zone.
04:10 <Schism> And I might get kicked out if I go elsewhere...!
04:10 * Filly_Nightmares eee!
04:10 * Schism wants to get her faction rank up!
04:12 <Schism> 500k... not bad so far.
04:12 <Cepheid> Body, no. If I drink any more water, I'm going to burst.
04:13 * Filly_Nightmares purrrr
04:14 * Schism flops right back over to Dromi. "Being able to have multiple deliveries at once is good!"
04:14 <Schism> Hum~ 150 storage slots for mounts, eh?
04:16 <Schism> I suspect that's more than most players would need.
04:20 * Filly_Nightmares wigglewaggles!
04:21 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/AsYmPcq
04:23 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/vc7Bv88 This kitten really does look like something amazing was revealed to it, too.
04:26 <Schism> grmbl. Stupid planetary rings getting in my way.
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04:31 * Filly_Nightmares kneads Schism and purr
04:33 * Schism has 650,000 now...
04:33 * Filly_Nightmares lickies Schism nosie!
04:34 * Schism patpats the Filly_Nightmares!
04:35 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/CjwgEk1
04:36 * Filly_Nightmares bouynces at Schism! https://i.imgur.com/1obkvLQ.png
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04:39 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY2nVQNlUB8
04:39 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Best Volleyball Blocks Ever with Scott Sterling
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04:53 * Ali flops over the Dappled
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04:57 * Schism continues to travel across this small section of the galaxy. "So many missions to wrap up."
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05:02 * Cepheid makes some spaghetti sauce soup. Basically watered down spaghetti sauce with some extras added in to retain some flavor.
05:03 <Cepheid> ...
05:03 <Cepheid> With some thin noodles, this would make a good soup.
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05:05 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ConfusionRift
05:06 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
05:06 <Cepheid> Hey Rifty.
05:06 * ConfusionRift huggles Ali.
05:06 * ConfusionRift wavies.
05:06 * Schism hyperdrives to Orna.
05:06 * Ali curls into ConfusionRift and blehs.
05:07 * ConfusionRift shows letter for jury duty. "It begins."
05:07 <Schism> Can you at least do it remotely? @_@
05:08 <ConfusionRift> They actually took the free time to change the format.
05:08 * Schism also offers ConfusionRift some sour gummy worms.
05:08 <ConfusionRift> Nice. Thankies!
05:08 <Cepheid> Okay, I've seen some lazy translations but this just takes the cake.
05:08 <Cepheid> I got one of them steam cards for Earth Defense Force 5. It isn't even translated.
05:08 <Schism> Enjoy this world of snow.
05:08 <Schism> Ah.
05:09 <ConfusionRift> Sounds about right.
05:09 <Schism> I wonder if this base will have something useful in it.
05:09 <Cepheid> As for Jury Duty..
05:09 <Cepheid> I got paperwork a month back to be registered for it.
05:10 <Cepheid> That said, I'll never be picked.
05:11 <ConfusionRift> Here's the thing. This isn't for me to participate. This is for me to go to the selection for jurors. They pick the jurors after that.
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05:11 <Cepheid> I am aware.
05:11 <Cepheid> I was just pointing out my particular case was all.
05:11 <ConfusionRift> I don't know how things have changed, but I got a feeling nothing has changed whatsoever.
05:12 <ConfusionRift> Aside from "wear a frickin' mask".
05:12 <Cepheid> But in any case, besides the whole "I'm considered legally disabled" there's also the general "I'm suffering from all sorts of mental illness." that would immediately be used against me to disqualify me.
05:12 <Schism> omg. Collector limpet controllers! I wondered when I'd find them.
05:13 * ConfusionRift wonders what Schism is doing. "Whatchu up to?"
05:14 <Schism> Elite: Dangerous.
05:14 <ConfusionRift> Aaaah. Should have suspected.
05:15 <Schism> With collector limpets, I can now actually MINE <s>for fish</s>
05:17 <Schism> This place better have superior hulls. :<
05:17 <ConfusionRift> "Do you have a sound mind?" | I am obligated to say yes. | "..." | Don't ask.
05:17 <Cepheid> But, Schism! I'm just picking it up with my hand. I'm digging it out of the asteroid RIGHT NOW. *Demonstrates*
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05:24 <Cepheid> ... Man that is one loud cricket.
05:25 * ConfusionRift oils his left leg. "Sorry."
05:25 * Dappled horses again.
05:25 * ConfusionRift horses with the other horses.
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05:43 <Schism> Hum~ A million.
05:43 <Schism> I shall have to explore the other legs of this newbie zone, what little remains, and actually get into some combat...
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05:45 <Schism> Now that I don't have to worry about losing my ship (yay insurance!).
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05:49 <ConfusionRift> Here, have some armor. | "Armor?! You mean wuss cloth?! My SKIN is my armor!" | Ooookay?
05:51 <Schism> I'm nearly at the point where I max out reputation with the newbie faction. X3
05:52 <ConfusionRift> Hehehe.
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05:59 <Schism> I have absolutely _no_ clue if there's a reward for maxing out the newbie faction. I mean, maybe?
06:01 <ConfusionRift> Probably better offers and discounts... on a place you won't be able to get back to. :P
06:03 * Cepheid gives Schism a shirt that reads "I maxed out the newbie rank and all I got was this t-shirt."
06:04 <ConfusionRift> Aah, I have finally done all the side quests and DLC stuff, and got a mansion, a "wife", and a bunch of legendary weapons. Now, to continue with the main quest. (everything blows up) ...whyyyyy.
06:04 <Cepheid> What game?
06:07 <ConfusionRift> There was a game that did something like that, but can't remember. If you did all the side stuff, you would get the largest house in the village, fall in love and marry someone, have a kid, and have a large storage area for weapons. At a certain point in the game, the villain destroys your village, which includes ALL of your possessions and your family. You're left with what you have on hand.
06:10 <Schism> Sigh. When the orbit of a station means that you have to finagle your way around it.
06:22 <Schism> "Careful, bucko! A threat level 2 might be too much for you!"
06:23 <Schism> If it turns out to be, I'll be annoyed, but eh.
06:23 <ConfusionRift> Can't be that bad. (sees Neo Greizon, and it's pointing at him) Nope nope nope nope!!!
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06:31 * Ali eyetwitches at blueprints needing 50 speed and prod 3's
06:31 <ConfusionRift> 0_0
06:32 <ConfusionRift> Ouchie-mama.
06:34 <Ali> Also I love blueprints that are like
06:34 <Ali> This baby can get 15 greens a second
06:34 <Ali> And runs yellow belts and the like to copper
06:35 <Ali> And like four hours later you wonder why you have no greens cause the belt can't keep up with the demand
06:38 <ConfusionRift> Pffft. :P
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06:40 <ConfusionRift> Okay, mouse. I'm tired of your shenanigans. Getting a new one.
06:43 <Ali> God, why are speed 3's so freaking slow to make
06:43 * Ali flails at ConfusionRift
06:43 <ConfusionRift> Because you need a bunch of speed 1s to make speed 2s, and a bunch of speed 2s to make speed 3s.
06:44 <ConfusionRift> It's a massive resource consumption.
06:44 * Schism mines a bit of gold. Somehow it manages to get her a decent amount of dosh.
06:45 <ConfusionRift> Also, speed 2s and 3s use blue chips.
06:46 <ConfusionRift> All of that is trying to suck up the same resources, so they are fighting over them.
06:48 <ConfusionRift> Need greens to get reds, need green and reds to get blues and speed 1s, and need reds and blues to make speed 2s and 3s.
06:49 <Cepheid> Thus why when I can here and there, I like to dedicate factories specifically to these particular components, through looking for patches of the requisite resources, and strip-mining them to use exclusively in that one product.
06:50 <Cepheid> Or just have trains deliver products to the factory, which then quickly produces the requisite item, and loads it onto a train to deliver to a central dropoff.
06:52 <Schism> Also, note to self. Collector drones are stupid and will fly into asteroids.
06:52 <Schism> Also, into lasers.
06:53 * Ali needs spidertron, walks too slow on foot
06:54 <Ali> Also ConfusionRift I have my train support now on a much better furnace layout than my main line
06:55 <Ali> The problem is, its dedicated to the last two sci packs, and its own circuits
06:55 <Ali> I used an extra copper patch to help feed the other part as its running out of copper plates, but now its starting to fizzle on both iron and steel. Never ending oh shits after all.
06:56 <ConfusionRift> Yep, that's how it usually is.
06:58 <ConfusionRift> "T h e r i d e n e v e r e n d s . . ." | Yep, sure doesn't, incorporeal galactic monstrosity of unknown origins. ...wait...
06:58 <Ali> But I want to get off Mr Bone's Wild Ride
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07:02 <ConfusionRift> I want off this Willy Wonka ride of madness!!!
07:06 <ConfusionRift> I'm glad there isn't an alert every time there's a resource issue.
07:07 * Ali looks down at the alert panel blinking that over 1k things are missing items for construction. "This is fine."
07:08 * ConfusionRift watches as the reactors start catching fire, and bugs are eating off some of the walling and an old factory.
07:10 <Ali> Bugs? I dun't play wiff bugs
07:10 <Ali> Alone, they stress me the *yay* out.
07:13 <ConfusionRift> Reminds me I revised the old archipelago map... it's much worse. (kills just a few bugs, and they immediately evolved to the next tier) This needs some work.
07:13 <ConfusionRift> I keep forgetting bugs are there to be annoying, and nothing else.
07:14 <ConfusionRift> They used to have a purpose, but not anymore. Like, looong time ago.
07:15 <Ali> The biters?
07:15 <ConfusionRift> Yep.
07:15 <ConfusionRift> Well, the bases, not the bugs themselves.
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07:16 <Ali> The bugs have always just been pests
07:16 <Ali> But its when they start attacking at bad times or strange places they get annoying
07:17 <Ali> Usually once you get enough turrets or are completely walled in, they're a joke
07:20 <ConfusionRift> https://wiki.factorio.com/Alien_science_pack
07:20 <ConfusionRift> I'm an idiot for continuing to worry about something that is no longer there since... years ago.
07:21 <ConfusionRift> And I don't achievement hunt, so... yeah. I dunno what I'm doing anymore.
07:26 <Ali> Yeah I understand, I'm playing solo just to kill time.
07:27 <Ali> Huh, never played .15
07:30 <ConfusionRift> Yeah, instead of having the really advanced, high tech, and space research, we had alien research. It forced people to have bug spawners so they could advance the research. But they got some interesting criticism about that, and decided to scrap it.
07:34 * Filly_Nightmares uses Ali as bed
07:35 * Ali is a very cold bed cause its cold here.
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07:38 <Ali> And now I wait for the 2500 bottles for spiderboi
07:43 * Ali sits on ConfusionRift until then.
07:44 <ConfusionRift> 2499 bottles of research on the wall! 2499 bottles of research~!
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08:20 * Ali boops ConfusionRift nosie
08:23 * ConfusionRift reboops Ali. :P
08:23 * Ali squeakies
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13:27 <Cepheid> Gonna be one of those mornings.
13:49 <RazorSharpFang> I'm so tired after an 11 hour day at work
13:51 <ADragonDreaming> one of those mornings?
15:14 <Cepheid> ADragonDreaming: My stomach won't stop churning, and I feel exhausted. I am starting to suspect I have a mild case of the flu.
15:14 <ADragonDreaming> ouch
15:14 <Cepheid> Which is possible, as a couple weeks back I went to a clinic, and people were coughing and sick there.
15:14 <Cepheid> But I was tested a week after that for C19, so it's not that.
15:15 <Cepheid> Which leaves either a cold or flu.
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15:24 <Cepheid> Oh gods.
15:24 <Cepheid> I just did something embarassing in Japanese.
15:24 <Cepheid> I misread a word in a sentence.
15:24 <Cepheid> I had to create a sentence of the form of <person's name> ga kirai desu. I misread it as <person's name> ga kirei desu.
15:25 <Cepheid> kirei is an adjective for "pretty, nice." kirai?
15:25 <Cepheid> Kirai is "to be disgusted with, to dislike."
15:25 <Cepheid> I misread the sentence, and guess the name I used? WHILE THE PROFESSOR WAS LISTENING.
15:26 <Cepheid> So I used "sensei ga kirei desu." and she corrected me with the sentence. "sensei ga kirai desu." I look down.
15:26 <Cepheid> I just said "I dislike sensei."
15:26 <Cepheid> In front of the professor.
15:27 <Cepheid> Or rather, the intended sentence was that.
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15:33 <Cepheid> Anyhoo, shower and game time.
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16:07 <Cepheid> So, according to a friend of mine who has done both Alatreon and Fatalis, the battles in World require a level of perfection in terms of positioning, damage output, and such, ADragonDreaming.
16:08 <ADragonDreaming> Well then. WE have prep to do.
16:08 <Cepheid> Yep.
16:08 <Cepheid> I need to stop being reckless, for one.
16:09 <Cepheid> Causing damage by taking damage can only work so well for so long.
16:09 <Cepheid> A majority of my problem is that by the time I see the attack coming, it's usually too late for me to dodge.
16:09 <Cepheid> Or, I can't interrupt my actions to dodge or defend.
16:10 <Cepheid> Though it's more the latter that stops me from not taking damage.
16:10 <Cepheid> Usually when I see the attack coming, I'm in the middle of another attack that I can't break out of for dodging or deflecting.
16:18 <Cepheid> Which, arguably, is probably why I like ranged combat. But the biggest issue *THERE* is that ranged combat tends to be more of a support roll than primary damage source.
16:18 <Cepheid> Though I guess I could learn to use the Heavy Bowgun, or a Bow.
16:20 <ADragonDreaming> I dunno, bowguns and bows can put out heavy damage, and can also hit when they're airborne.
16:20 <ADragonDreaming> back in Tri, we had much of our success owed to our bowgunner.
16:20 <ADragonDreaming> especially against Alatreon, since dragon shots are devastating.
16:21 <Cepheid> Mmm.
16:21 <Cepheid> The problem with Alatreon, as I understand it, is not so much the damage output.
16:21 <Cepheid> It's that he has a DPS check.
16:21 <Cepheid> Basically, you're on a time limit for dealing a certain amount of damage, otherwise you run a high chance of wiping.
16:22 <Cepheid> That said, given he's been soloed, that means it is possible for two people to deal out enough damage.
16:23 <Cepheid> That, and a lot of the difficulty I've been hearing about has been in regards to the fact that Alatreon is kind of designed to counteract a certain type of build.
16:23 <Cepheid> Primarily, those that rely heavily on raw, plain damage.
16:25 <ADragonDreaming> So, mine.
16:25 <Cepheid> Well, you use elemental vials.
16:25 <Cepheid> So no.
16:25 <ADragonDreaming> I tend to favor impact phials, but I do have elemental phial charge blades, yes.
16:25 <Cepheid> This is more aiming for high non-elemental damage, or high blast damage.
16:25 <ADragonDreaming> Ah.
16:25 <ADragonDreaming> Aka the raw workhorse build.
16:25 <Cepheid> Basically, physical damage rather than elemental.
16:25 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
16:26 <Cepheid> I don't subscribe to that creed, as you may have noticed with my builds.
16:26 <Cepheid> I have pretty much elemental weapons across every class, along with pure physical.
16:26 <Cepheid> But I almost always go for whatever the target is generally weak to.
16:26 <ADragonDreaming> Aye. Though, I do have a good raw workhorse going right now for build-ups in the Bone blade line, with my MR Girros.
16:27 <ADragonDreaming> Because MR Girros has Free Element, and Bone Blade is a high raw damage and awakens to Blast.
16:27 <Cepheid> Mmhmm. I have some raw workhorse weapon builds myself.
16:27 <Cepheid> But in general, I try to go for elemental weapons because SnS shines in that respect.
16:27 <ADragonDreaming> (also MR girros blows HR Uragaan out of the water in raw defense, so...)
16:28 <Cepheid> Elemental attack values tend to be on par with physical attack values for SnS, and can be made even stronger through elemental attack jewels.
16:29 <Cepheid> And while elemental attack doesn't factor into the attack as much as physical attack, it is still a significant boost in some cases.
16:29 <Cepheid> Those Great Girros hunts the other night are an example, for me.
16:29 <Cepheid> Initial hunt, I went in with raw physical. I was doing mmm, 30-40 damage a hit.
16:30 <Cepheid> I followed up with the remaining hunts using a water elemental blade, using Free Element to get the element, and a few water attack jewels to further push up the attack value.
16:30 <Cepheid> I was doing 50+
16:31 <Cepheid> Interestingly, the weapon, physically, was weaker than the first one I was using.
16:33 <ADragonDreaming> aye, there's some people that think elemental isn't worth it, but...
16:34 <ADragonDreaming> well, sometimes it really is.
16:34 <Cepheid> Let's see..
16:35 <Cepheid> I mean yeah. Raw, physical damage is nice, because there's nothing to think about with respect to resistances.
16:36 <Cepheid> All that matters is where you hit it, and with what part of the weapon, etc.
16:42 <Cepheid> Assuming no enraged status, master rank Great Girros tail being attacked, 66% elemental awakening, with the weapon I was using the other night, the elemental damage alone would have been...
16:43 <Cepheid> 30.294 points of water damage.
16:45 <Cepheid> The original weapon I was using was the Chrome Knight Sword, at 308 physical, 270 sleep, with no elemental awakening.
16:47 <Cepheid> Raw attack 220... regular chop attack... 18 damage.
16:48 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, for the elemental blade.. 190 raw attack. Regular chop attack, 13 damage. Add in the above water elemental damage, you get 43 damage, approximately.
16:50 <Cepheid> I wouldn't be surprised if the focus on raw physical attack is due to some mathematical proof someone made, proving that raw physical attack is somehow better than everything else.
16:50 <Cepheid> Because usually that's what happens with these kinds of games. People start playing with mathematics, statistics.
16:50 <ADragonDreaming> Aye, and overall, I'm sure it is.
16:51 <Cepheid> But, while giving a proof can prove that X is true, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is the best way to go.
16:51 <ADragonDreaming> but there's certain situations where the elemental focus is superior.
16:51 <Cepheid> Because the problem is you have to look at the monsters themselves, what you're targeting, and the like.
16:52 <Cepheid> If you're targeting a specific body part that's known to have a high resistance to physical damage, you'll want to use elemental damage to counteract it.
16:53 <ADragonDreaming> yep.
16:56 <Cepheid> I'm not sure how accurate the mechanics are, because they seem contradictory for physical and elemental.
16:57 <Cepheid> According to the wiki, the multipliers are a fraction of 1, so 0.14 for a chop attack, 0.50 for target body part. This results in a greatly lower number for physical damage.
16:57 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, elemental damage, it's multipliers are *ABOVE* 1.
16:57 <Cepheid> So, 1.0625 for blue sharpness, 1.20 for a Great Girros' tail water damage multiplier.
16:57 <Cepheid> Of course, it's divided by 10 beforehand, but the end result is that the divided number increases, rather than decreases.
16:58 <ADragonDreaming> I think I remember seeing it claimed somewhere that the raw attack value had an effect on damage overall, but I don't know how accurate my memory is.
16:59 <ADragonDreaming> Also that claim meant that weapons like ancientshard SNS in Tri, which had like 70 attack but 670 dragon, made no sense.
17:00 <Cepheid> So, the basic value for the chrome sword is 308, divide by 1.4 due to scaling to get 220. Then scale by sharpness, so 1.20, 264. Multiply by attack strength, a chop is x0.14, 36.96. Then multiply by target defense, 0.50 for the tail, so 18.48 damage.
17:00 <Cepheid> I guess I can check the veracity of this later.
17:02 <Cepheid> I can also check in the training area because the tall post has a multiplier of 0.8
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17:03 <Cepheid> Anyways, off I go to game.
17:45 <Schism> Lumindia: https://twitter.com/FF_XIV_EN/status/1312769450383269892
17:53 * Schism awakens, and hums a song about big fat tacos.
18:02 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Fanfiction (Souted): Trixie and Prince Charming [ http://tinyurl.com/y4e8ttkw ]
18:10 * Cepheid sees a tweet. Wants to respond to it, but knows she shouldn't.
18:10 <Cepheid> It's agitating me.
18:10 <Cepheid> "Oh, I have to go through 45 resumes in a day, it's so hard to do, so if you use security to protect your content I'll skip your resume."
18:10 <Cepheid> So, what?
18:11 <Cepheid> You want us to sacrifice to make your job easier? No, **** that. It's your damned job to go through all the resumes, and decide fairly.
18:12 * Cepheid sighs. Responded. Is likely going to get flamed, now.
18:14 * Schism mrfs. Hugs the Cephy. "That's how it seems to go."
18:15 <Cepheid> I'm just... gah.
18:15 <Cepheid> That kind of mentality pisses me off.
18:15 <Cepheid> If you're not going to do your job properly because of a minor inconvenience, and unfairly judge people based on said inconvenience...
18:16 <Cepheid> Then what does that say about how you'd treat those under you?
18:16 <Cepheid> I would not want to be employed by someone who's willing to be unfair and give preferential treatment to those who make things a slight bit easier for them.
18:17 <Cepheid> Even worse, it's about security, which grates on a nerve.
18:18 <Cepheid> In this society, where security is incredibly important..
18:18 <Cepheid> Asking someone to skimp on it for ease? That's bullshit.
18:18 <Cepheid> The content is behind a security wall for a reason.
18:19 * Cepheid twitches.
18:19 <Cepheid> I am out of ativan, so I need to calm down manually.
18:28 * Cepheid graghs.
18:28 <Cepheid> I can't meet halfway with this person.
18:28 <Cepheid> I disagree with their perspective.
18:28 <Cepheid> If I got a job wherein I had to do X, then that's my job, I have to do it.
18:28 <Cepheid> It's not right to make it unfair.
18:38 * Cepheid ngghs.
18:38 <Cepheid> For someone who's so sympathetic, they fail to show it.
18:39 <Cepheid> I'm sorry, but if I was tasked with the job, and I didn't complete it according to the expected quality, it'd be held against me.
18:39 <Schism> Yeah.
18:40 <Cepheid> It's like..
18:40 <Cepheid> Come on.
18:40 <Cepheid> You're talking about having to log in.
18:40 <Cepheid> It takes 5-10 seconds.
18:40 <Cepheid> Are you really that lazy that you can't be bothered to do even that?
18:40 <Cepheid> Or, you know, maybe you should take the advice that employers just love to give their employees, and learn to manage your time better, or maybe do some sacrifice for the company?
18:41 <Schism> Hardly sacrifice if they're being paid to do their stuff. 5-10 seconds might add up, over 45 resumes, to... oh, about 7 minutes?
18:44 <Cepheid> It appears that their statements were based on the cases where resumes don't have the password/username to log in.
18:44 <Cepheid> That I concede is fair game.
18:44 <Cepheid> But...
18:44 <Cepheid> The commentary suggested that they used it as a catch-all.
18:45 <Schism> That is more reasonable. But that's ... well, I won't say it's an edge-case, but obviously it's not applicable all throughout.
18:45 <Cepheid> Mm.
18:45 <Cepheid> As for why I'm so... against the mentality, I suspect it's because of knowledge of my own field.
18:46 <Cepheid> First hoop to get through is an automated system that picks out keywords in the resume.
18:46 <Cepheid> Second hoop is whatever rules the hiring individuals have for discarding or keeping resumes after an initial glance.
18:46 <Schism> Yes. Knowing how to write a resume depends upon understanding of those keywords.
18:46 <Cepheid> The second and further hoops are kind of a front-facing trait of the employer.
18:47 <Cepheid> If they are willing to throw out a resume for a inconsequential reason, then what does that say about them?
18:47 <Cepheid> What does that say about how they treat their employees?
18:47 <Cepheid> And in my field? Ahahaha.
18:47 * Schism nods. "Not well, to be certain."
18:47 <Cepheid> Employers love to abuse their programmers.
18:47 <Cepheid> I mean, for heaven's sake.
18:48 <Cepheid> CD PROJEKT RED promised a while back that they wouldn't perform crunch on the Cyperpunk game.
18:48 <Schism> Programmer goes crunch, yes.
18:48 <Cepheid> Hey, guess what they just announced a week ago?
18:48 <Cepheid> Mandatory crunch for the game.
18:48 <Cepheid> And this keeps happening.
18:49 <Cepheid> Companies saying they won't crunch, then a few months later, oh no, mandatory crunch.
18:56 <Cepheid> I'll never survive in the world is this is how things are done.
18:56 <Cepheid> Because my morals are a pillar for me.
18:56 <Cepheid> I would sooner report a higher up to the authorities over keep quiet to keep my job.
18:56 <Cepheid> If I didn't report it, it would eat away at me and I'd go insane.
18:57 * Schism nodnods.
19:00 <Cepheid> My morals are like a solid pillar made of lead covered in impact-resistant kevlar.
19:00 <Cepheid> If I try to defy them, it'll destroy me.
19:00 <Cepheid> Besides..
19:00 <Cepheid> Right now? It seems morality is cloudy right now.
19:01 <Cepheid> What with bias against people of various skin tones, or people with "non-standard" sexual orientations, among other issues.
19:01 <Cepheid> I don't need to perpetuate that.
19:02 <Schism> Mmm. Social morality vs. personal morality.
19:02 <Cepheid> I don't need to let it continue uncontested. The employer can threaten me all they want if I were to report them to the authorities, but if I play my cards right, I can counterattack and argue that they unfairly fired me.
19:02 <Cepheid> And right now?
19:02 <Cepheid> A lot of people don't know their rights.
19:02 * Schism nods.
19:02 <Cepheid> The information isn't made available to them, or it's hidden with legalese.
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19:02 <Cepheid> within*
19:03 <Cepheid> Universities, colleges, they don't teach you any of it, either.
19:04 <Cepheid> It's tiresome. Watching people do stuff they aren't supposed to, in ways they aren't meant to, because their employer told them to.
19:04 <Cepheid> They don't question it.
19:05 <Schism> Amusingly enough, when I went into an intro at a temp agency and signed up for things there, they carefully covered all of that.
19:05 <Cepheid> An employee was fired at Lee Valley Tools when I worked there for 3 months. You want to know why? He was taught, and told, to help clean an incinerator by reaching in. He got fired because he did it in front of upper management, rather than the person who taught him it.
19:05 <Cepheid> It's basically like, a health and safety violation.
19:05 <Cepheid> So he got fired for it, even though that's what he was taught by his immediate boss to do.
19:06 <Schism> Yeah, and reaching into a baler when it's not locked out, same thing.
19:08 <Cepheid> Basic activities that you end up doing because, you know, you think that if you don't, you'll lose your job or that refusing to do it will be held against you in some way.
19:09 <Schism> The OSHA and the board exist for a very good reason.
19:09 <Schism> OHSA rather.
19:17 <Schism> 10 billion pounds the UK spent on a Test-and-Trace system for COVID. Wanna guess what platform they used to run it?
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19:41 <Cepheid> Schism: iOS.
19:42 <Schism> Nope!
19:43 <Schism> They put the whole database into Microsoft Excel spreadsheets.
19:43 <ADragonDreaming> what? Not even Access?
19:44 <ADragonDreaming> IIRC Access is the actual database
19:44 <Schism> https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/missing-coronavirus-tests-glitch-large-excel-spreadsheet-file-095054235.html -- one LARGE Excel spreadsheet.
19:44 <Schism> And yup, not even Access.
19:47 <ADragonDreaming> I work with large excel files.
19:47 <ADragonDreaming> I wouldn't want anything larger than 20 MB I'll be honest.
19:47 <Schism> Mmm.
19:47 <Ali> Watch it be 3TB
19:53 <Schism> Hum, Excel can only render up to 2GB. Mind you, that is an excessively large amount of data for a spreadsheet.
19:57 <Starlight_Glimmer> Actually the details are a bit dubious
19:57 <Schism> Fair enough. What is known and admitted is that the file reached its maximum size.
19:58 <Starlight_Glimmer> The most likely scenario is the used the older Excel file format and reached the 65k row limit
19:58 <Starlight_Glimmer> Done that myself
19:58 <Starlight_Glimmer> The actual file size is most likely not the issue. 1 GiB of text is A LOT of text.
19:59 <Schism> Seems likely. In any case, that still raises the question of why they're using Excel instead of Access.
20:00 * Starlight_Glimmer isn't a fan of access either.
20:00 <Cepheid> Schism: I've dealt with that before.
20:01 <Cepheid> Professor provides a script to help set up a test database in a piece of software. ALl fine and dandy.
20:01 <Cepheid> Except he posted it only for students in section A of this class.
20:01 <Cepheid> I'm in section B. I can't access it.
20:01 <Cepheid> It's been over 24 hours and no one's either said anything, or he doesn't care.
20:01 <Schism> Nor am I, but yeah. And aurgh.
20:06 <Starlight_Glimmer> I'm regularly dealing with large databases at work. Mind you not Brushie levels of data, but still. All kinds of databases too. LDAP with ~300k users? Yeah we have one of those! COVID-19 data in comparison is like tiny. They actually failed hard. Also reading Excel and automated in one sentence makes me cringe.
20:08 <Schism> I guess it is Serco being Serco.
20:18 <Cepheid> Geezus cripes.
20:18 <Cepheid> That's what happens when you don't hire proper people for a job, or try to do everything internally.
20:18 <Cepheid> Without having any programming experience.
20:22 <Cepheid> Guh my head hurts. x.x
20:25 <Cepheid> I like how LGBT+ took over the phrase "Proud Boys"
20:25 <Cepheid> In record time.
20:26 <Starlight_Glimmer> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/excel-specifications-and-limits-1672b34d-7043-467e-8e27-269d656771c3#ID0EBABAAA=Newer_versions
20:26 <Starlight_Glimmer> Just saw this on Twitter
20:26 <Starlight_Glimmer> Didn't actually know about the 16k column limit
20:29 <Cepheid> You see that constraint listed at the top?
20:30 <Cepheid> That constraint probably had a limit in earlier versions. We place limits on stuff purely to keep people from doing incredibly stupid stuff.
20:31 <Cepheid> Because if we didn't, among other things, the program would A) Begin running slowly, B) Start running oddly, and C) May just outright crash.
20:34 <Schism> Cepheid: Hee. The Proud Boys leaders said, "Oh, we don't mind," all while you could hear a very loud grinding sound between every word.
20:34 <Cepheid> In some cases, the limitation exists simply due to architectural limits, OS limits, or library limitations.
20:34 <Schism> Also, aye.
20:35 <Schism> Of course, a 2GB limit on file sizes is a 32-bit architecture constraint.
20:35 <Schism> Well, filesystem constraint.
20:35 <Cepheid> Many PCs are limited to about 64GiB simply because of a limited number of address lines available on the motherboard. Though it's jumping up to much larger capacities already, even if we can't pull it off.
20:36 <Cepheid> And yes, it's a filesystem constraint there.
20:36 <Cepheid> FAT32 doesn't allow for larger than 4GiB.
20:36 <Cepheid> The 2GiB is likely a 32-bit architectural limit.
20:37 <Cepheid> 32-bit Windows splits the virtual address space cleanly in half. 2GiB is for the application, and 2GiB is for the OS.
20:37 <Cepheid> You can use a flag to increase the virtual address space for the application to 3GiB, while the kernel/OS gets 1GiB.
20:37 <Cepheid> But that's not a substantial amount if you're using an Excel spreadsheet.
20:40 <Cepheid> Which raises many other questions, though.
20:40 <Starlight_Glimmer> You know what I just realized? Bill Gates is actually involved in a COVID-19 coverup! The idiots were right after all!
20:42 <Cepheid> Namely, the other questions I have are: Why, in this day and age, are you running a 32-bit OS? And, if it's somehow not 32-bit, why on Earth are you using less than 4GiB of RAM?
20:42 <Schism> They're a UK government contractor.
20:43 <Starlight_Glimmer> Cepheid: We're still in the process of upgrading customer systems
20:43 <Schism> Oh, you meant in general.
20:46 <Starlight_Glimmer> Debian supports 64bit officially since version 4.0 released in 2007
20:48 <Starlight_Glimmer> So take a couple of years until our code is 64bit ready, until every has hardware, until new deployments are done with amd64, until i386 is finally deprecated, until a migration script is written that can upgrade a system without even rebooting.
20:49 <Starlight_Glimmer> I've personally written that script like 2 years ago? But testing, other more important projects happened, COVID-19 happened, so things get delayed.
20:50 <Cepheid> Hum.
20:50 <Starlight_Glimmer> So yes we still have ~500 systems left running i386. Roughly 8k on amd64.
20:55 <Starlight_Glimmer> It's all a bit of a nightmare. On Windows people are expected to eventually reinstall their OS. That doesn't happen to our machines usually. I'm not entirely sure how the migration from Red Had Linux to Debian went, but we do definitely have systems that have been upgraded through all Debian versions we ever shipped and we do definitely still have lots of user data from the original Red
20:55 <Starlight_Glimmer> Hat Linux systems.
20:56 <Starlight_Glimmer> We literally have one machine running longer than I've been working for the company 6_9. So much for kernel updates.
20:58 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/s07pdhN
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21:06 <Cepheid> Off I go to get a swab jammed up my nose again.
21:17 <Schism> "Hippopotomi are vegetarian by preference, but in times of need, will happily eat small animals, birds, and marbles."
21:23 <ADragonDreaming> I've been watching so much Among Us that I find my thought patterns are becoming more suspicious.
21:23 <Schism> Cerebellum is sus
21:23 <ADragonDreaming> "that lender has never indicated they only take communications via text message from dealers, that's just an odd claim."
21:24 <ADragonDreaming> And my thinking is less "the dealer is just mistaken about things" and more "what are they trying to pull...?"
21:24 <ADragonDreaming> "I don't see any tickets from this person all week except Friday. Were they on vacation?"
21:25 <ADragonDreaming> and then the Among Us thought process is "It would really weird for someone to just abandon making tickets despite working for a week, thye're probably on vacation." As in the logical clearing of guilt.
21:25 <Schism> I have long since been suspicious of many claims, but that's because I'm a customer-facing agent.
21:29 <ADragonDreaming> oh, I've been suspicious before as well, but the thinking has been less analytical.
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21:57 * Schism passes Adra a cup of strawberry rhubarb tea.
21:57 <Cepheid> I would never be able to work the jobs you two do.
21:58 <Cepheid> Morality issues involved.
21:58 <Schism> For all that I'm beset by aggravation, it's surprisingly rarely from the customers.
21:59 <ADragonDreaming> I'm not sure what morality issues would be involved?
22:00 <Cepheid> Mmm, your job not so much, ADragonDreaming. But I still wouldn't be able to do it.
22:00 <Cepheid> I have enough trouble doing IT with my own family.
22:00 <ADragonDreaming> This job isn't even IT.
22:01 <ADragonDreaming> But no, I wouldn't recommend you try.
22:01 <ADragonDreaming> Some caller would get your temper going.
22:01 <ADragonDreaming> that and since headsets are physically bad for you, yeah.
22:01 <Cepheid> It's more the temper thing yeah.
22:02 <Cepheid> I wouldn't even last a day before chewing someone out for getting irate at me, and trust me, the terminology used would be *VERY* colorful.
22:02 <Cepheid> Put simply, if my temper was ever shown on TV, it'd be nothing but a long stream of "BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
22:06 <Cepheid> So, when I look at the Not The Onion subreddit, I sometimes see headlines that are so outrageous, I cannot believe that they are real.
22:06 <Cepheid> But the key detail about NTO is that the stories have to be real.
22:07 <Cepheid> "Health Canada recalls eye drops that claimed to contain human placenta from Edmonton business"
22:07 <Cepheid> I...
22:07 <Cepheid> Schism?
22:07 <Schism> Yes. That's not uncommon amongst medical chicanery.
22:07 <Schism> Please do bear in mind that the cure for lycanthropy, in homeopathic treatment, includes saliva from a rabid dog.
22:08 <Cepheid> I'm still trying to wrap my brain around this.
22:08 <Cepheid> I can't.
22:08 <Schism> I want to make a joke about that particular treatment, but I honestly can't. It's too much.
22:09 * Schism just offers Cepheid some calming apple pie tisane.
22:09 <Cepheid> Make the joke in a PM, then?
22:10 <Schism> No, my brain refuses to come up with one.
22:12 <Cepheid> Fair enough.
22:12 <Cepheid> Hum, the assembly of Hyogo Prefecture has passed a law banning the Yakuza from giving out candy for this Halloween.
22:13 <Cepheid> What, you couldn't just make a public request of the Yakuza to not hand out candy because of COVID-19 concerns?
22:15 <Schism> That would probably have been less likely to result in shenanigans, yes.
22:16 <ADragonDreaming> My understanding is that Yakuza tend to have at least some level of care for the community they're in?
22:16 <ADragonDreaming> but I only know about them from fiction so.
22:17 <Schism> Many mob groups seem to have that sort of relationship with their community, being seen as protectors and caretakers on the one hand, and... well, gangsters and thugs on the other.
22:17 <Cepheid> They do, ADragonDreaming.
22:18 <Cepheid> They try to keep innocents out of their stuff, but if you wrong them, well..
22:19 <Schism> Not to put too fine a point on it, but they also know that if they turn out to be antithetical to their community, the community won't want to help them at any turn.
22:19 <ADragonDreaming> well IIRC both Mafia and Yakuza got their start in taking over community caretaking/policing because there was a lack of such from official authorities.
22:20 <Schism> Mm. And while it might have been a calculated decision in many ways, so too is there a genuine knowledge that they are still part of the community.
22:20 <ADragonDreaming> Yes.
22:21 <ADragonDreaming> something missing from certain... other... organizations.
22:23 <Schism> Certain other legitimate organizations.
22:28 <ADragonDreaming> I may or may not be subconsciously adopting some of ChilledChaos's speech pattersn.
22:29 * Ali removes all the youngin's urban slang from ADragonDreaming's speech
22:30 <ADragonDreaming> it's more tone and cadence.
22:31 <Cepheid> My sister has colorful things to say about her school.
22:31 <Cepheid> "The admin are a bunch of <REDACTED>. The inmates are running the prison."
22:32 <Cepheid> Translation: Admin is a bunch of <REDACTED>. The students are running the place.
22:32 <Schism> I was in such a case back when I was attending a charter school. The staff turned to the students to clear the boxen of NIMDA and other such viruses.
22:33 <ADragonDreaming> oof. Charter schools.
22:33 <Schism> Mostly because it was a Sisyphean task.
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22:33 <Schism> But also because those staffers had... the mental capacity of a meat pie in mushy peas.
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22:34 <Cepheid> I'm a tad inexperienced with the school system. What is a charter school?
22:34 <Cepheid> I'm more experience in dealing with god-awful administration, not schools.
22:34 <ADragonDreaming> "(in North America) a publicly funded independent school established by teachers, parents, or community groups under the terms of a charter with a local or national authority."
22:35 <ADragonDreaming> they can be incredibly hit or miss, because it all depends on what the charter says.
22:36 <Cepheid> I have no idea if I ever attended such a school. I just know I moved between schools on a yearly basis.
22:36 <ADragonDreaming> https://networkforpubliceducation.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Do-charter-schools-get-better-academic-results-than-public-schools%C6%92.pdf
22:36 <ADragonDreaming> TL;DR no.
22:36 <ADragonDreaming> they don't get better results.
22:36 <Cepheid> Up until 8th grade, then after that I was given a choice because one teacher finally overstepped their boundaries.
22:37 <Cepheid> I could either get my GED via long-distance self-taught education, or deal with high school.
22:38 <Cepheid> I chose the GED route.
22:38 <Cepheid> Which may partly be responsible for my sleeping habits these days, because I had no reason to wake up early in the morning. My mother had a graveyard shift job, so on her days off, we'd stay up to like, 1-2 AM together, watching TV.
22:39 <Cepheid> And then I encountered a friend in Australia that I'd play Diablo II with.
22:40 <ADragonDreaming> that'll do things!
22:41 <Cepheid> Yerp.
22:42 <Schism> Well, this is horrible. https://twitter.com/kaiy6030/status/1312696999745970178
22:44 <Cepheid> XD
22:44 <Cepheid> I'm told it's a good game, though.
22:48 <Cepheid> https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/j5qjl0/the_way_the_marshmallows_pop_out/
22:49 <Schism> Could do without the song, but that looks tasty.
22:49 <Cepheid> I didn't notice the song. I had it muted.
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22:53 <Cepheid> Been meaning to check out Genshin Impact, because of the BoTW styling. It's FtP, but you can complete the game without any of the purchases, 100%. It's just extra characters to play as, apparently.
22:56 <Schism> Seems the best way to handle that sort of FtP.
22:56 <ADragonDreaming> https://i.imgur.com/T6LovMX.jpg
22:59 * Cepheid flops onto bed.
22:59 <Schism> Adra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPVC-WhCoHs
23:00 <PinkieShy> Tried to fix me some chicken earlier and it ended up getting so burnt it was not eatable.. (Black all over and hard as a brick)
23:00 <PinkieShy> Tossed it after it cooled for an hour and redid it correctly.. :/
23:00 <PinkieShy> Have no idea how it happened first time though..
23:00 <PinkieShy> Well I do actually.. lol
23:01 <Cepheid> Schism: Totally normal behavior.
23:02 <Cepheid> ... Okay, I have to admit that twist was not what I was expecting.
23:02 <ADragonDreaming> Absolutely understandable.;
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23:04 <Schism> One of the better twists in that sort of thing.
23:05 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
23:15 <Cepheid> Well, at least I know the nausea isn't caused by an immediate side effect of consuming the antibiotics with food, like I'm supposed to.
23:16 <Cepheid> 'Cause I finished the antibiotics this morning, and having just ate dinner, my stomach is raging.
23:17 <Cepheid> Also, Randall Munroe's "How To" is a good book, just for the responses from Chris Hadfield on the various ways to land air vehicles.
23:17 <Cepheid> In one of them, he describes the solution as "Initiate the disconnection system, pull up on the throttle to avoid the tail of the plane, and glide your way to a landing. Easy peasy."
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23:29 <Cepheid> Mm. Warm bed.
23:52 <Cepheid> You know, I wasn't sure why I got so agitated so rapidly with that earlier discussion I had on Twitter, but thinking on it a bit, I realized what it is that ticked me off.
23:53 <Cepheid> They admitted what they were doing was wrong, but kept using flimsy arguments to justify it, and trying to convince me that they were sympathetic to the people they treated unfairly.
23:53 <Schism> Whereas if they were sympathetic, they wouldn't have done that in the first place.
23:53 <Cepheid> Indeed. If they were actually sympathetic, they would not be doing it in the first place.
23:53 <Cepheid> Nor would they be trying to justify their actions.
23:54 <Cepheid> Words and actions speak different languages.
23:55 <Cepheid> Which itself presents an interesting observation. That people sided with her suggests that people are more likely to believe words over actions.
23:56 <Cepheid> Seriously though, the bigger thing I get the from the whole debacle is that I'll never be able to survive in the business world.
23:57 <Cepheid> My moral pillars are too structurally sound. The only time they ever crumble or change is when it's pointed out that one of my views is wrong in some moral way. But that's to be expected. Or, at least, it's what I choose to expect happens with people.
23:58 <Cepheid> You can point out a flaw in morality somewhere. But there is no obligation on the other individual to actually acknowledge it or do anything about it.
23:58 <Cepheid> Same could be said of any knowledge, really.
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