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03:09 <ADragonDreaming> hoi, Cepheid
03:10 <Cepheid> Hoi.
03:10 <Cepheid> I cleared up the *YAY* that caused me to log off for a while sooner than expected.
03:10 <ADragonDreaming> huzzah!
03:17 <Cepheid> I'll also be getting started ahead of time on some other work tomorrow. Japanese homework can be done now, but I still need to practice vocabulary and such for oral/verbal assignment stuffs. Another assignment, I can already do 3-4 questions thanks to them being purely mathematical in nature. Last class hasn't released it's last assignment yet.
03:21 <Cepheid> For now? Log back in, then sleep.
03:23 <ADragonDreaming> sleep well!
03:29 <Cepheid> Will do.
03:40 <NitroTheFurry> Hey Cepheid, how you feelin?
05:13 * NitroTheFurry pokes Cepheid
05:13 <Ali> I think they went to sleep
05:13 <NitroTheFurry> Oh
05:14 <NitroTheFurry> Guess I should actually read chat huh
05:14 <NitroTheFurry> I've been so out of it today
05:14 <Ali> Doesn't hurt :P
05:14 * Ali is always out of it.
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05:28 * Golden flops. He now owns the entire sly series.
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05:53 <Golden> Thank you Schism
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07:18 * Schism mimics Whitney's Miltank, and rolls around the channel.
07:25 * Ali is horrifly maimed by Schism
07:26 * Schism didn't run over Ali! Or Ali's Pokemon.
07:31 * Ali curls around Schism as unicorn tries to understand the Isle of Armor DLC
07:33 * Schism snugs the Ali. Doesn't quite get it herself.
07:34 <Ali> Well my main thing is how to combine the pokemon you can get in the Isle along with progressing the main story
07:35 <Ali> I mean the big advantage is you can get your starter to Gigantamax instead of Dynamaxing
07:35 <Schism> Point of order. Are we now playing Pokemon, or Digimon?
07:35 <Ali> Pokemon...
07:36 <Schism> Okay, carry on.
07:36 * Schism snugs the Ali once more.
07:36 <Ali> You do know what Dynamax is right :P
07:38 * Schism has been bereft of the Pokemon games for over a decade. She isn't a good source of what's good and what is not!
07:38 * Ali sits on and grumpies
07:41 * Schism can't be sat on. She has important things to do, like scanning every single item in the systems she's in before she evacuates the newbie areas. And maybe learning to asplode other ships.
07:46 <Schism> A full spectrum system scan of the various planets can, ultimately, result in quite a lot of dosh... and it doesn't matter how far you are from the original point.
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07:59 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
07:59 * Schism waves to ConfusionRift as she flies by in a Viper Mk. 3, on her way to the next set of pirates.
07:59 <Schism> (Well, not right now, anyway. Food, need food.)
08:04 * ConfusionRift thinks on slowly recovering some of the games he lost.
08:04 <ConfusionRift> Starting with Quackshot and Taz-Mania.
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08:38 * Dappled just hopes that Schism isn't mapping every body in the systems that they visit. That can take a while. Mostly in travel time.
08:40 <Schism> Oh, I'm still in the newbie zone, but I'll definitely be holding off on mapping other territories.
08:41 * Dappled meant mapping the planets. This is above and beyond the FSS scanner. You have to fly physically to each body
08:43 * Dappled has a soft spot for the Diamondback Scout/Explorer. Sure the asp has more room, but if your careful, the DB series is better imo.
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08:44 <Dappled> Although I wouldn't mind a stripped down anaconda for that sweet sweet jump range.
08:44 * Dappled isn't good at the combat.
08:45 <Schism> I'm still in the newbie zone, but I'll have to figure out the best ships for such. And of course, how best to load them out.
08:45 <Schism> I'm pretty much Allied with the newbie group, so what's next is just figuring out how best to fight.
08:45 <Dappled> The real fun is grinding up the engineering mats /s.
08:45 <Schism> Especially in large groups. And hah.
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09:04 * Schism flumps again. "Shower." She glares at her hair, though.
09:05 * Dappled understands. Glares at his own hair. Gave up on having it past his shoulders cause he's to lazy to keep up with it.
09:06 <Schism> I've got it near to my shoulders on grounds that it, um. Well, it's nicer there.
09:06 <Dappled> But the tangles once you get past that point.
09:06 <Schism> I know, and conditioner and a nice comb help, as does a hair dryer.
09:07 <Schism> And a brush. Though it's always frustrating.
09:07 <Schism> Problem is that I also have bangs, so.
09:07 <Dappled> Yeah.
09:07 <ConfusionRift> Yeah, can't grow it past my shoulders anyways.
09:08 * ConfusionRift grabs his hoof, brushes it against his head hair, and it puffs up like popcorn.
09:09 <Schism> Thin hair does that. o3o;
09:09 * Schism runs some amber across ConfusionRift's keratin.
09:09 * Schism adds some silk.
09:10 * Dappled did attempt to dye his hair like Sunset Shimmer. Unfortunately I didn't keep it seperated when rinsing it out and all kinda blended together.
09:10 <Schism> Voila! Instant Kirin (HR 49).
09:10 <Schism> Eh, a sunrise look sounds like it might be decent.
09:11 * ConfusionRift watches as everything being added to his hair is repelled, and the puffiness intensifies.
09:11 * Dappled got more compliments when my own brown hair started to grow underneath it though cause it made the colors pop more.
09:12 <ConfusionRift> Speaking of showers, I should take mine. Be back.
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09:15 <Schism> Kinda want to dye my hair sometime, but I'd need to have it cut first.
09:15 <Schism> Otherwise, I am assured, Bad Things will occur.
09:16 * Dappled hates Bad Things.
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09:55 <Schism> Blech. Looking forward to where I can put my hair in a ponytail.
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10:00 * ConfusionRift is squeaky clean. "Squeak squeak squeak."
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10:02 <ConfusionRift> Alright, back to Space Monkeys in Space: Adventures of Great Banana.
10:03 * Schism slows down in space so that her target shoots past her, then blasts the ever loving _yay_ out of them.
10:04 <ConfusionRift> Aah, the Stop & Go tactic.
10:04 <Schism> A classic, of course. Plus, that allows one to speed up to proper turning velocity and focus fire.
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10:23 <ConfusionRift> Aaaw, a tiny crocodile.
10:23 * ConfusionRift doesn't have the capture pistol. "Noooo."
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10:35 <Schism> I stink at space combat. .-.
10:36 * Golden yawns.
10:36 <Golden> Night pones
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11:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #2119 [ https://tinyurl.com/y297z9ml ]
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12:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Tart and Tangy / Iron and Steel 6 / Movie Slate: Plot Twist / Just Business / Signing Off 59 [ https://tinyurl.com/yylmfngm ]
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13:00 <ConfusionRift> Sleep time!
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13:08 <Cyan_Spark> Razor the investor
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13:15 <Cepheid> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnFD0VWVkAAo8cU?format=png&name=small I have so many questions.
13:17 <Cyan_Spark> C
13:23 <Cepheid> Hum, some MH:Rise Switch-axe gameplay. ... But they picked quite possibly the worst switch-axe player I've ever seen.
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13:24 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/MH_Rise_JP/status/1329406360392384512
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13:31 <ADragonDreaming> They don't really have the concept of "roll to the side" down
13:31 <Cepheid> Or any form of dodging really.
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13:38 <Schism> Hmm. So, I just picked up Among Us.
13:39 <Cepheid> Heh.
13:40 * Schism isn't sus.
13:41 <Cepheid> https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/11/17/grocery-chain-apologizes-for-super-spread-ad-mishap/ ... This isn't a mishap. This is someone who knew what they were doing.
13:42 <Cepheid> Hum.
13:42 <Schism> Clever of them, to be honest. Probably going to get fired for all the wrong reasons, but clever.
13:43 <Cepheid> Today, the lecture in networks is making excessive use of the terms "master" and "slave" because the relevant network type involves these terms.
13:43 <Cepheid> Calling it now, there is a complaint.
13:44 <Schism> Terminology should have never come about in the first place (unless techies are particularly enamoured of BDSM play), but it's now so thoroughly entrenched that it's impossible to dig out of the lexicon.
13:44 <Cepheid> And yet, there are efforts to get rid of the terminology.
13:44 <Cepheid> Which are working, so yay.
13:45 * Schism nodnods.
13:45 <ADragonDreaming> Impossible to dig out *quickly*
13:45 <Cepheid> But right now, making use of the terminology, even if the technology makes use of it still, is a dangerous move.
13:45 <Cepheid> At the moment, the most well-known cases of removing the terminology is the various OS kernels, and Git.
13:45 <Cepheid> As well as other source control systems.
13:46 <Cepheid> Most of them are switching to either Primary/Secondary/Etc, or Main.
13:46 * Filly_Nightmares yawnskrees and uses Schism as a bed
13:46 * Filly_Nightmares uses Cepheid as a blankie and goes sleepies
13:46 * Schism snuggles the Filly_Nightmares.
13:46 * Cepheid is not a good blanket. Is very cold right now.
13:47 <Cepheid> I did have my nice coat on. Up until I spilled coffee all over it.
13:47 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/taco__touhou/status/1329072256736116736 Be careful when you use nuclear fusion for cooking.
13:48 <uni> bleh the master/slave thing comes from master copy
13:48 <Cepheid> I'm aware of it's history, yeah.
13:49 <Cepheid> It's just, the terminology beyond that, has certain connotations. A better idea would have been to use "Main Copy" or "Primary Copy"
13:49 <uni> I don't get people being up in arms about it
13:49 <ADragonDreaming> I'm fairly certain that most people are objecting to "slave"
13:49 <Cepheid> ^
13:49 <uni> nah main implies it is the foremost one
13:49 <uni> yeah but everyone is focusing on "master"
13:49 <uni> case in point github
13:49 <Cepheid> It's the Master-Slave link.
13:49 <ADragonDreaming> Because the two are now linked.
13:50 <Cepheid> You can blame our ancestors for it.
13:50 <ADragonDreaming> regardless of the origins of "master" in the terminology.
13:50 <Schism> No, /pretty/ everyone's focusing on 'slave'. You also see that when it comes to SATA BUSes.
13:50 <Schism> /pretty/ sure*
13:50 <Cepheid> They're focusing on both terms, actually.
13:50 <Cepheid> As in the case of source control, the only term there is "Master"
13:50 <Cepheid> There's no slaves.
13:50 <uni> anyway that is such an Americano-centric view of things
13:50 <ADragonDreaming> If they'd used master and then not used slave in terminology, probably wouldn't be an issue.
13:50 <uni> sighs~
13:50 <ADragonDreaming> ...
13:50 <Cepheid> ...
13:51 <uni> people finding stuff to kick up a fuss about
13:51 <ADragonDreaming> It's a view of things that is "Slavery is bad"
13:51 <uni> that's my opinion on the issue
13:51 <Cepheid> I'm Canadian, and even I see it as more than American thing.
13:51 <ADragonDreaming> "Perhaps we should not be casually referencing it as if it is normal."
13:51 <Cyan_Spark> Hai uni
13:51 <Cepheid> As slavery is still used/done in many places to this day.
13:51 <uni> heyo Cyan_Spark!
13:51 <Schism> And 'Primary/Secondary/Tertiary' isn't too hard to say.
13:51 <ADragonDreaming> While I'm not up in arms about it, I will not be sad to see the terminology be replaced.
13:51 <Cepheid> Mmm.
13:52 <ADragonDreaming> Is there a reason you are annoyed by people wanting to change things to be less problematic?
13:52 <Cepheid> That all said, there is one thing that does bother me.
13:52 <uni> personally I don't care, but people who don't do work wanting to appear useful by dictating what people who do work do is kinda trash
13:52 <uni> to me at least
13:52 <Schism> Well, it's terribly inconvenient, Adra.
13:53 <Cepheid> "personally I don't care" - And yet, you seem to have some pretty strong opinions about it.
13:53 <ADragonDreaming> you're making a lot of assumptions about the people who are complaining about it.
13:53 <uni> I mean the people I've seen write articles on it are like that
13:53 <uni> I'm probably wrong then
13:53 <uni> ah well sorry about that
13:54 <Cepheid> As a continuation of my earlier statement, there is one thing that does concern me.
13:54 <Schism> Oh, alright then.
13:54 <Cepheid> There are, unfortunately, a few individuals who are legitimately blowing it well out of proportion. Saying you're concerned about the terminology because of it's connotations is fine. Arguing that it caused you severe mental trauma is...
13:55 <ADragonDreaming> probably a small sampling error. The people who write articles don't work in the field usually because they are writing articles. But those who are newly coming into the field and learning the terminology beacuse of that are probably having that moment of "this is... a problem."
13:55 <Cepheid> And there have been cases of the above.
13:55 <uni> also this isn't like a drop in fix/replacement thing
13:55 <uni> I rather have a consistent terminology throughout than not offend people
13:56 <ADragonDreaming> Correct. It takes slow replacement so as not to break everything.
13:56 <ADragonDreaming> Which is what is being done.
13:56 <uni> and I think it's still not worth it
13:56 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
13:56 <uni> especially considering historicity
13:56 <Cepheid> It's not like GitHub and the Linux Kernel, for example, just up and one day simply replaced all mentions whole hog.
13:56 <Finwe> o3o
13:56 <ADragonDreaming> Mmm... no, I would disagree.
13:56 * Finwe hats on uni.
13:56 <Schism> Saying, "I'm uncomfortable because of these words being used in this context," okay. Saying, "I'm uncomfortable with these words being replaced because they make other people uncomfortable," that's a bit of a concern. Especially when the words can be replaced with something neutral, like Primary/Secondary.
13:57 <Cepheid> They made changes to their policies, and are asking/giving time to change things.
13:57 <Cepheid> Since changing the terminology straight up can, in fact, cause problems.
13:57 <Schism> There is that. It does take a little while for new terminology to propagate, and it does always require a mental adjustment, and I get that.
13:58 <Cepheid> There's also the fact that simply swapping a term out with another one may lead to inconsistent usage in meaning.
13:58 <Cepheid> The word "master" has multiple meanings based on context.
13:58 <Cepheid> And as such, simply switching to "Primary" wouldn't work. Take this lecture for example.
13:58 * Finwe boops Schism with bœuf bourguignon.
13:58 <Schism> Cepheid: Yes, it can affect stress.
13:58 <Cepheid> The Master node is a device that arbitrates, while the Slave nodes are devices.
13:58 * uni squeaks and falls under Finwe
13:58 * Finwe is not that heavy.
13:58 <uni> anyway I think both of you keep missing my point
13:59 <Cepheid> Nah. I'm not.
13:59 <Schism> Hm. Manager node vs. Employee node.
13:59 <uni> may I ask what do you think is my point?
14:00 <ADragonDreaming> That it's not worth the effort to alter terminology that normalizes slavery?
14:00 <Schism> uni: That the rebranding of a series of terminologies is somehow insignificant next to the widespread hypocrisy and concerns endemic to the tech industry in general?
14:01 <Cepheid> Your concern is with respects to people outside of a given field dictating whether said field should be using terms, with no understanding of how those terms came about in said field.
14:02 <Schism> In such a situation, said concerns are misplaced, because there are a rather signicant number of women, LGBTQA+ and PoC in the technological fields.
14:02 <Schism> (To say nothing of the overlap.)
14:03 <Cepheid> I had the same concerns of people outside of a field dictating what words can and cannot be used, but I changed my thoughts after a while, when I started seeing more and more examples of where the terms were used, and how.
14:03 <Cepheid> Better words could have been chosen.
14:04 <Cepheid> The master/slave link typically describes the case of where the master dictates who can talk on a given bus at a given time. That is, it arbitrates.
14:04 <Schism> And can be. Just because you're more comfortable with a certain type of patois, that doesn't mean that you need to keep using it.
14:04 <Cepheid> There are other cases where the word "master" is used, with different meanings, I won't lie.
14:04 <Cepheid> But that doesn't make the connotation associated with the word any less of a problem.
14:05 <uni> yay all of you got some part of it
14:05 <uni> well except Schism but ah well
14:05 <Cepheid> Uni.
14:05 <uni> My point was that are wide-sweeping change is being made to current systems all because of a vocal minority over a (debatable) non-issue, and that the current unofficial centralisation of supposedly decentralised systems helps effect that. It sets a terrible precedent. This is a change made for PR, as opposed to being an actual technological improvement.
14:05 <Cepheid> ...
14:05 <uni> I think I got that down
14:05 <uni> yeah Cepheid?
14:05 <Cepheid> Nothing.
14:05 <Schism> Okay, you don't get it.
14:05 <uni> yeah I probably don't
14:05 <uni> sorry this is why I usually try to not have an opinion on things
14:05 <Cepheid> At this point, me talking about this is only going to make things worse, because swimming around my mind is nothing but rage.
14:05 <Cepheid> I'm annoyed.
14:06 <Schism> Yeah, let's cut it for now.
14:06 <uni> sorry, I'll stop
14:06 <Schism> Or at least take it to PMs.
14:06 <uni> yeah never mind it's fine
14:06 <uni> sorry for kicking up a fuss
14:06 <Cepheid> I'd prefer altogether not to discuss it anymore at the moment.
14:06 <uni> my bad
14:08 * Cepheid researches QAM.
14:09 <uni> oh my I remember the math involved with that one
14:09 <uni> bleh
14:10 <Cepheid> Heh.
14:11 <Cepheid> Yeah, this stuff is a bit... outside of my area.
14:11 <Cepheid> I understand it's use for technologies, but I'm a software developer. This is a bit well below the level I deal with.
14:11 <Cepheid> Even when I'm at the low-level assembly level of coding.
14:14 <Cepheid> Much of this stuff, the QAM, the encoding of bits on the physical layer, and so on, is handled by off-CPU chips that communicate with the CPU to either send data over the link, or receive data from the link and pass it onto the CPU.
14:15 <Cepheid> Granted, there are software implementations, and other fun stuff. Like using analog audio recording to receive a biphase manchester coded time code, and having to decode it in software.
14:16 * Cepheid shudders.
14:21 <uni> oof
14:21 <uni> that sounds amazingly convoluted
14:23 <RazorSharpFang> Oh wow. Someone early-exercised on the call I sold.
14:26 <Cepheid> It wasn't actually as bad as I made it sound. I managed to get it working in about 3-4 hours. The bigger part of the problem was gaining access to the audio hardware.
14:26 <Cepheid> At the time, I was dealing with accessing the audio hardware on an iPhone.
14:28 <uni> ouch
14:28 <uni> do they let you do that?
14:28 <Cepheid> No, the biggest issue I had was explaining to the client why using Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR was not viable for transmitting high quality HD 1080p video to the iPhone.
14:28 <Cepheid> They did at the time. Not sure if they do now.
14:31 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/btcxN6D
14:34 * Cyan_Spark bleps RazorSharpFang
14:35 * RazorSharpFang is blepped?
14:35 <Cepheid> ... That's unsanitary, Cyan_Spark. Go wash your hands and think about what you did.
14:36 <Cyan_Spark> ... :c
14:37 <Schism> Okay, things are much better now.
14:38 <Cepheid> Hmm?
14:38 <uni> yep~
14:38 <Cyan_Spark> Markets are very red today
14:38 <uni> sorry it was my mistake~
14:38 <Cepheid> Hum, triangulation.
14:38 <uni> we cleared things up
14:39 <Cepheid> Triangulation and GPS.
14:40 <RazorSharpFang> Trying to sell a call on AT&T right now.
14:40 * ADragonDreaming hisses at AT&T
14:40 <RazorSharpFang> tough sell, because AT&T is down 0.8% today
14:41 <Cyan_Spark> Think the money is flowing into Bitcoin?
14:41 <RazorSharpFang> Bitcoin is legitimately deflating I think
14:42 * ADragonDreaming holds a torch for serious, adult, anti-trust actions against Telecom companies.
14:42 <RazorSharpFang> Probably got merit behind them too
14:43 <ADragonDreaming> Absolutely. The amount of anti-competitive bought legislation telecom's got is insane.
14:44 <ADragonDreaming> Internet needs to be a utility. The infrastructure should be publicly owned, with the providers leasing access competitively, as has been done in other countries.
14:44 <RazorSharpFang> If the infrastructure is publicly owned then it would also be publicly maintained. Do you think the gov's going to do a good job of maintenance?
14:45 <RazorSharpFang> We had terrible infrastructure maintenance records for some of the lines back in the day.
14:45 <ADragonDreaming> It'll be hit or miss, as is already evidenced in the real world today.
14:46 <ADragonDreaming> But infrastructure maintenance handled by local authorities is far more accountable to the local people who are affected by such things than Comcast, AT&T, Charter, or *gags* Frontier communications are.
14:46 <ADragonDreaming> I can go yell about my local council if I have a mind to, and they have far more reason to listen to me.
14:47 <RazorSharpFang> Ideally ISPs would be a lot smaller than what they currently imo. These monoliths are too powerful.
14:47 <Cepheid> It's already hit-or-miss and it's not public as is.
14:48 <ADragonDreaming> The problem is that the realities of infrastructure roll-out mean it's a de facto regional monopoly.
14:48 <ADragonDreaming> And the current monopolies have taken billions in subsidies to then not deliver on promises, with no repercussions.
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14:49 <RazorSharpFang> That part seems odd. Why would the subsidies NOT come with strings attached? That just sounds like bad decision making.
14:49 <ADragonDreaming> Welcome to regulatory capture by monopolies.
14:49 <Cepheid> Presumably, because of a combination of lawyers being good, bribery, and the negotiators being inept or too trusting.
14:50 <ADragonDreaming> The other thing about the infrastructure being publicly owned?
14:50 <ADragonDreaming> It'll actually get built in places that the current telecom companies won't build to for lack of profitability.
14:50 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/v3YN8eR
14:50 <RazorSharpFang> How does that thing shed its skin?
14:51 <ADragonDreaming> top layer gets loose and flakes off?
14:51 <ADragonDreaming> Assuming it does shed its skin.
14:52 <ADragonDreaming> quick search indicates lizards shed in small pieces.
14:52 <ADragonDreaming> as opposed to the whole skin at a time.
14:52 <RazorSharpFang> And here I thought they shed like snakes
14:52 <Schism> Yes, they only shed in small scales.
14:52 <ADragonDreaming> Like humans!
14:52 <uni> are those spikes hard?
14:52 <Cepheid> And yes, humans do shed.
14:53 * Schism frowns, "I hope that my laundry goes through properly."
14:53 <ADragonDreaming> clean the lint trap!
14:53 <Schism> Every time, Adra.
14:53 <Cepheid> Hum, now the professor is... ....
14:54 <Cepheid> He's talking about how to use a sextant.
14:54 <Schism> I've caught at least fifty cases of wild lint.
14:54 <Cepheid> What the hell.
14:54 <ADragonDreaming> ...interesting tangent.
14:54 <Schism> Sounds like he's got a pretty good angle.
14:54 <uni> oh my that sounds like an amazing professor~
14:54 <Cepheid> He's teaching about latitude and longitude, but he's explaining it in terms of using a sextant.
14:55 <RazorSharpFang> Ah yes. The device with the best name ever.
14:55 <ADragonDreaming> probably to give the latitude and longitude tangible purpose.
14:55 <Schism> Cepheid: That's a great sine that you have a professor who really likes to teach.
14:55 * Cepheid stabs Schism.
14:55 <ADragonDreaming> "This is the real world application of these things."
14:55 <Cepheid> Yeah, I know, I know.
14:55 <Cepheid> But explaining how to use a sextant is... a bit much.
14:56 <Schism> Whyso? If more math teachers used an abacus to start, things might be a lot better.
14:57 <Cepheid> Latitude and longitude can be explained using much simpler ways at this point in time.
14:57 <Cepheid> Explaining how to use a sextant is a bit excessive in that regard.
14:57 <uni> actually what kind of course is it?
14:57 <Schism> Yeah, but real-world applications can allow students to recognize how and why such things came about.
14:58 <Cepheid> Principles of Networking. Not in the sense of setting up a star topology network, but in regards to how data is transmitted.
14:58 <Cepheid> And what kinds of data are transmitted over these networks, etc.
14:58 <Schism> Oh, cool! Then he's going into semaphores next.
14:58 <Cepheid> So it cover stuff like satellite networks, including GPS.
14:58 <Cepheid> He covered that in the first two weeks Schism.
14:59 <uni> haha
14:59 <Cepheid> I am not kidding.
14:59 <uni> that's such an off-field tangent
14:59 <Schism> I think I like your professor.
14:59 <uni> me too
14:59 <Cepheid> He covered the ancient methods of networking.
14:59 <uni> did he have a tangent on pigeons?
14:59 <Schism> That's actually a really, really great lead-up, though.
14:59 <Cepheid> Yes.
14:59 <Cyan_Spark> RazorSharpFang: BTC is now higher than $18000 though
14:59 <Cepheid> He covered the pigeon network.
14:59 <uni> haha amazing
14:59 <uni> I want a professor like that
14:59 <RazorSharpFang> Cyan_Spark, that is exactly my point. I think BTC is deflating.
15:00 <Cepheid> He's one of the better professors at this university.
15:00 <Cepheid> Actually earns his keep and teaches decently.
15:00 <Cepheid> Unlike the databases professor, whom I have not seen or heard from personally since September 14th.
15:00 <Schism> Yeah, and how better to learn networking than to discuss the past ways to do so, and build up?
15:00 <Cyan_Spark> 17 December 2017- $19,783.06
15:00 <ADragonDreaming> interesting. Working sextants are still required on ships.
15:01 <Cepheid> Well, yeah. I can see the use, in that case.
15:01 <Cepheid> But showing us how to use a sextant for purposes of explaing Lat/Long in terms of GPS is a bit weird.
15:01 <Cyan_Spark> RazorSharpFang: bitcoin was designed to be a deflationary currency - less of it gets mined over time
15:01 <Cepheid> Also a bit problematic in a sense, since GPS has some problems with respect to lat/long using a sextant.
15:02 <RazorSharpFang> Cyan_Spark, I don't think deflationary currencies will get much use as a currency. Deflation is just terrible for economies.
15:02 <ADragonDreaming> bitcoin was weird and I didn't like it.
15:02 <Cyan_Spark> Indeed, people hoard deflationary currencies
15:03 <Cyan_Spark> I believe the demand and supply curves will still intersect to find a balanced price point though
15:03 <RazorSharpFang> But because of the hoarding demand will exceed supply pushing up prices.
15:03 <Cyan_Spark> As the hoarders try to cash in and find an absence of buyers due to the astronomical prices, they will be forced to weaken the exchange rate of bitcoin
15:04 <uni> I have a friend who studied to be a captain and he knows how to do celestial navigation
15:04 <RazorSharpFang> That's IF they cash... out. The phrase is cash out because they're exiting a position.
15:04 <uni> well acquaintance
15:04 <Cepheid> The biggest issue with lat/long stuff as I understand it, is that continents move.
15:05 <Cyan_Spark> So they'll remain rich... on paper
15:05 <RazorSharpFang> Right. But if they're using this richness as collateral on loans to reduce interest rates, then it's worthwhile.
15:05 <Cepheid> As a result, setting the origin for the coordinate system to a specific location will introduce drift over the years.
15:06 <Cyan_Spark> Ahh, touché
15:07 <RazorSharpFang> Alternatively, they could be selling covered calls on Bitcoin, which I hear is possible, just not supported by my broker right now.
15:08 <Cepheid> And while yes, the drift is maybe a few centimeters a year, GPS is meant to be precise, so the drifting continental plates can cause problems over time.
15:12 <Cyan_Spark> Tesla has hit 500 O.o
15:13 <Cyan_Spark> Definitely in the ionosphere at this point
15:14 <RazorSharpFang> Nice. I bought in when it was at 404
15:14 <Cepheid> Top password still in use today is 123456.
15:15 <uni> I wonder how many of that is a default setting
15:15 <uni> or maybe the "I don't care about this thing" level of security
15:15 <RazorSharpFang> I don't understand why people don't use passwords like AmazingPassword!5
15:16 <Cyan_Spark> Dang, good call, RazorSharpFang
15:16 <Cyan_Spark> P/E gonna reach 1000 lol
15:17 <RazorSharpFang> I just wanted a single share of Tesla, and I thought 404 was a good limit price.
15:17 <RazorSharpFang> I'm just gonna sit on this share forever.
15:17 <Cyan_Spark> Ah
15:17 <Cepheid> 404, share not found.
15:18 <RazorSharpFang> If Tesla does indeed moon, then nice - my broker will consider that share as collateral and let me do more trading than I would otherwise.
15:18 <Cyan_Spark> Oh, you know when companies have earnings expectations
15:18 <Cyan_Spark> Who sets these expectations?
15:19 <RazorSharpFang> Wall Street Bets
15:19 <Cyan_Spark> Really? :p
15:19 <RazorSharpFang> They're one of the smallest fish, but a lot of people talking yes.
15:19 <Schism> 58 minutes to laundry... uergh.
15:20 <Cepheid> I'm surprised 1234 is #16 on the list.
15:21 <Schism> 12345?! That's the password an idiot would use on his luggage.
15:21 <Cepheid> That's #8 on the list.
15:22 <Schism> "That's amazing, that's the same password I use on my luggage." --President Scroob
15:22 <Cepheid> :P
15:23 <Schism> Dammit, now I have to watch that movie again.
15:28 <ADragonDreaming> Wall Street shares blame for the current telecom nightmare, too.
15:29 <Schism> No, surely not.
15:29 <ADragonDreaming> Infrastructure deployment doesn't happen because it's not profitable enough, quickly enough for Wall Street.
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15:29 <Schism> Stop, I shall hear no more of your anti-capitalist lies!
15:30 * Cepheid wanders off to do some chores.
15:32 <Finwe> Alright, the bœeuf bourguignon is now simmering in a cast iron pot.
15:32 <uni> oh my the "œ" tripped me up so much
15:33 <Finwe> I think it takes some two hour or so to be ready to eat.
15:33 <RazorSharpFang> I don't even know how to pronounce that.
15:33 <Finwe> 1.5 hours remaining, in other words.
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15:34 <Finwe> I still need to add some mushrooms and shallots later on.
15:34 <Finwe> o3o
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15:37 <RazorSharpFang> I hear that mushrooms are ones you don't have to be as careful about overcooking than other foods.
15:38 <uni> I personally love overcooked mushrooms
15:39 <uni> along with overcooked onions
15:41 <RazorSharpFang> At least onions caramelises into sweetness
15:41 <uni> or becomes a mush
15:46 <Schism> Cook mushrooms long enough, and they turn into mushroom ketchup.
15:47 <Schism> Which is a real thing, and not something I made up right now.
15:47 <RazorSharpFang> Hmm.
15:48 <Finwe> I recall that ketchup was originally made of fish, and among the first ingredients once it was brought to Europe were indeed mushrooms. o3o
15:49 <Finwe> Actually, I could get some more mushrooms and some parsley as well.
15:49 <Finwe> 400 grammes is recommended, I only have 200 g.
15:51 <Schism> Apple-and-mushroom ketchup sounds like it might actually be pretty good, come to think.
15:55 <Cepheid> My parents...
15:56 <Cepheid> They need to learn to empty the bloody vacuum cleaner canisters, and learn basic concepts of maintenance.
15:56 <Cepheid> Every time I go to use the vacuum cleaner, it's left so full that emptying it requires I reach in and grab stuff to empty it, because it's stuck in the canister.
15:56 <Cepheid> Keep in mind, I'm allergic to dust.
15:57 <Cepheid> The same problem occurred with the handvac.
15:57 <Cepheid> I had to disassemble it in order to empty it out.
15:57 <Cepheid> My hands and arms now itch like mad, my nose is not feeling too great, and overall I feel like I need an hour-long shower.
16:00 <Finwe> uni: Well, I'll toss the mushrooms in for the last hour, that should do it.
16:00 <Schism> Oog. Then a shower is, at least, the least of what you can do for yourself.
16:00 <Cepheid> Yeah, I'm gonna go take a shower now.
16:01 <Cepheid> As for the nose and resultant headache, painkillers and antihistamines.
16:04 <ADragonDreaming> I've actually taken the step of wearing a mask in those cases (even before pandemic)
16:06 <RazorSharpFang> I'm off to sleep, good night.
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16:07 <Schism> "Why yes, past self. You were playing the Sorceress partly because you wanted to be her, and partly because having a level 20 Charged Bolt and just zapping your way through everything appealed."
16:08 <Schism> (Everything except those damned insect tunnels.)
16:13 <ADragonDreaming> Wasn't there a straight-line lightning bolt as well?
16:14 <ADragonDreaming> That was the go-to for insect tunnels. Of course you needed a different element for when you ran into a lightning-immune or resistant monster.
16:14 <Schism> That there was, and yes, that was generally better. But in earlier versions of D2, Charged Bolt 20 was actually quite effective. :3
16:14 <Schism> At least in Normal mode.
16:15 <Schism> Later ones included Mephisto and his little toadies, who were all quite lightning-immune.
16:20 <Cepheid> I should play Diablo 2 again.
16:20 <Cepheid> Especially since they made it easier to run on modern systems. See also Diablo and Diablo Hellfire.
16:21 <Cepheid> The latter of which I never got to play.
16:21 <Cepheid> Shower was good, but I still feel odd. I think I may have forgotten to take my meds yesterday, 'cause I feel like that's what happened.
16:23 <Cepheid> Quick check of my pillcase confirms this.
16:23 <Cepheid> I took the meds for Wednesday, today.
16:26 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/YmsjxzP
16:36 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/l2o7IjB
16:43 * Schism makes her bed, and bluhs.
16:44 <Schism> Clean bed & laundry = <3. Slightly damp bed is less so.
16:44 <ADragonDreaming> less damp or less <3?
16:45 <Schism> Less <3. It's okay, I'm not going to sleep again anytime soon, anyway.
16:47 <Cepheid> For me, a damp bed is a bit more of a problem, as my bed also doubles as a couch.
16:47 <Schism> Mm, well, I can always take off the comforter. It's not going to mildew, either.
16:47 <Schism> Worst comes to worst I can just hang it somewhere.
16:54 <Cepheid> Oh look.
16:54 <Cepheid> The first e-mail from CUSA regarding my health coverage through it.
16:54 <ADragonDreaming> huzzah?
16:54 <Cepheid> It's two months late.
16:55 <ADragonDreaming> not very huzzah, then.
16:55 <Cepheid> They won't let me get the coverage now because I didn't pay them during the period, but seeing as how I never got approval or any e-mail about where to send the payment, I was never actually able to pay the school.
16:57 <Cepheid> It's nice that I finally got the e-mail, but it's, ye know, a tad too late.
16:58 <ADragonDreaming> aye
16:59 <Cepheid> It seems really weird that they'd give me so much trouble, though.
17:00 <Cepheid> University loves to milk it's students dry of all their money, often taking on extraneous fees and such not part of tuition just so they can get around the restrictions of what they can and can't charge in tuition.
17:00 <Cepheid> Charging more for a trimmed down version of a textbook than the actual, original textbook itself, for example.
17:01 <Cepheid> They were asking $160 for the trimmed down version. I found it in a book store, brand new, for $80. Same version, same edition, same authors, everything.
17:01 <Cepheid> And I'm betting none of that money went to the original authors, too.
17:03 <ADragonDreaming> textbook prices are a scam in all the colleges.
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17:09 <ADragonDreaming> Hearts as strong as horses
17:19 * Cepheid responds to the e-mail with a lengthy explanation of what's going on, what's happened, and what they want done.
17:19 <Cepheid> I am honestly so sick and tired of fixing all these problems every semester.
17:19 <Cepheid> Every semester, I have a problem with the administration regarding my account in some manner.
17:19 <Cepheid> it's getting a bit tiring.
17:20 <Cepheid> And I'm always the one who has to run around and fix it, because the administration can't be bothered to get off it's [REDACTED] arse and look into why this stuff happens in the first place.
17:20 * Cepheid takes some ativan.
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17:31 <ADragonDreaming> Istanbul was Constantinople, now it's Istanbul not Constantinople
17:36 <Schism> Why did Constaninople get the works?
17:37 <ADragonDreaming> That's nobody's business but the Turks
17:37 <Cepheid> I really, really should have just stuck with my decision last year.
17:38 <Cepheid> I let myself start to doubt I was making the wrong choice, and let other people talk me into sticking to it, despite the knowledge that had I done so, I'd just be stressed, angry, and frustrated as usual.
17:38 <Cepheid> I can't make any choices for myself.
17:39 <Schism> That's fairly common amongst folks like you and me. Second-guessing, and thinking that others have a better idea of what's best for us.
17:39 <Schism> And it's not that we can't make those choices, it's that we're constantly provided with more options which make it seem like those choices are sub-part.
17:39 <Schism> par*
17:39 <Cepheid> Which is why I don't blame my sister. While she did contribute, she's not the one who made the decision, I was.
17:39 <Cepheid> So it's my fault that I am sitting here, once again dealing with the same crap.
17:40 <Cepheid> And I can't get out in this case.
17:40 <Schism> Well, now you have that information, and you understand that the factors aren't worth it -- so you can make a more informed decision, hopefully soon.
17:40 <Cepheid> All of my OSAP was grants. So it doesn't have to be repaid. Which makes it morally wrong for me to drop out at this point. I also applied for the releif benefits for students with respect to the pandemic.
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17:41 <Schism> No, that's not how morality works. You were provided those grants to educate yourself, and you have. And while you were educating yourself, you have every right to those benefits.
17:42 <Schism> Just because that education is not quite what was expected doesn't mean that it's meaningless.
17:42 <Cepheid> I feel otherwise, regardless of how it's framed.
17:42 <Schism> I guess. But don't feel like you absolutely _have to do_ what you've been doing, because that's how society traps people.
17:43 <Schism> In a million different damned traps. Including, _INCLUDING_, feeling like you have to be a boy somehow because that's how you've presented your whole life.
17:43 <Cepheid> I'm already being pressured into doing stuff I don't want to do on a regular basis.
17:44 <Cepheid> Like, my mother is INSISTENT that I go on a pension because my mental health affects my ability to function in society.
17:44 <Cepheid> I can't get out of it.
17:44 <Cepheid> She won't listen to me.
17:44 <Cepheid> She won't even consider how it affects me emotionally to rely on stuff like that.
17:44 <Cepheid> I am mentally ill, yes, I get it.
17:44 <Cepheid> But I can still function.
17:45 <Schism> I understand. And it can feel... debilitating to have to rely upon such social structures.
17:45 <Cepheid> I can still move my hands, I can still walk, I can still hear, I can still do my job. The only concern with regards to that is whether or not my employer understands that I may... have depressive or emotional breakdowns spontaneously and need 15-20 minutes to recollect myself and get back to work.
17:46 <Ali> Trust me, they don't
17:46 <Cepheid> It's just my brain doing something that I can't control for a few minutes. Give me a room to sit in for 20-30 minutes, and I'm fine.
17:46 <Ali> I got belittled one for something, and they would not let me calm down
17:46 <Cepheid> Whether the job itself is what triggered it is irrelevant. It'll happen regardless of what I am doing, where I am, what time of day it is, and so on.
17:46 <Ali> Just why didn't you do this, why won't you respond, talk to me
17:47 <Ali> Once in shutdown mode, you will not open up until you're stop prodded to death
17:47 <Schism> Cepheid: That is still, well... it's not a physical issue, but it is still something that needs consideration. We're both neurodivergent as all get-out.
17:48 <Cepheid> I sometimes wonder if I've been too influenced by the people who rail so much against anything socialized.
17:49 <Cepheid> I get this impression that everything that's done to help me overcome various obstacles in my life, introduces a burden that I have to repay.
17:49 <Cepheid> Because otherwise, it's not fair.
17:49 <Cepheid> Sure, I get it again, I am mentally ill, and I need some special considerations here and there.
17:49 <Schism> Yeah, life's not fair, or else the people with $1 billion or more would be killed and eaten a little bit at a time.
17:49 <Cepheid> But to me, that isn't enough to justify what aid I get.
17:50 <Schism> Don't gaslight yourself. You, too, deserve to live at least a decent life. You can do what you can for other people, but don't let them tell you that you're not worthy of something, too.
17:52 <Schism> And it is gaslighting -- you can always find someone worse off, no matter where you are. Before you can help them, you have to help yourself, at least to the point where you can be stable enough to help people more.
18:00 <Cepheid> The core of the problem for me is that I see no need for aid. My mental illness is not life-threatening. It is not something that requires special accomodations for me to do any given job. I don't need an assistant, I don't need special equipment, I don't need anything. The only accomodation required, if there even counts as one, is 10-20 minutes to clear my head when I have mental breakdown moment. That is the only thing
18:00 <Cepheid> different from me, and another, average individual who does not have the illness that I have.
18:00 <Cepheid> To me, this is not enough for aid.
18:02 <Finwe> Finally.
18:02 <Cepheid> You really want to give me aid that much? Then instead of money, a better approach might be either better funding for mental health institutions and treatment, or start putting in place protections to prevent companies from using legal loopholes to fire people for the smallest problems.
18:02 * Finwe offers some bœuf bourguinon to Schism.
18:02 <Schism> I understand. And I do, for what it's worth, agree, to at least some extent.
18:03 <Cepheid> As it is, I don't see either of those things happening to the level that they should be.
18:03 <Cepheid> In fact, what funding *HAS* been promoted, has been slashed.
18:03 <Cepheid> And then the government has the gall to promote more funding, still far less than what was promised, and act like it's an improvement.
18:03 <Cepheid> Like they fixed things.
18:04 <Cepheid> If I ever ran into Ford himself, I'd punch him for that alone. Hands down, I would LEGITIMATELY DO IT.
18:04 * Schism watches half a shelf fall over, then sighs. And nods. "Same."
18:04 <Schism> I would very much like to knee him in the goolies.
18:04 * Cepheid grips hands, trying to calm self down.
18:05 <Cepheid> I should not have looked at that damned e-mail.
18:05 <Cepheid> I'm here, like this now, because I made a bad decision.
18:05 <Cepheid> I knew it was going to happen, too.
18:05 <Schism> Cephy, maybe a cup of tea real quick? I know it's only a band-aid, but ...
18:05 <Finwe> Served today with rice and Les Dauphins Côtes du Rhône AOC wine.
18:06 <Schism> I know it won't be too much help, but every little bit does assist.
18:06 <Cepheid> I should actually eat the dish I made. Just some cheese, crackers and genoa salami, but..
18:06 <Cepheid> I haven't really been eating well lately.
18:06 * Schism nods, "Sometimes, a small snack platter does work."
18:06 <Schism> Maybe get yourself some pickles, too.
18:06 <Cepheid> Tuesday, I starved myself. I ate nothing except a bowl of cereal.
18:06 <Finwe> It turned out like this: https://photos.app.goo.gl/1eeHJrZQaiUdYS8p7
18:07 <Schism> That is a fine beouf bourgenion. (sp)
18:07 <Schism> Beouf Bourguinon.
18:08 <Finwe> Bœuf. o3o
18:08 <Finwe> Or Boeuf, without the ligature.
18:08 <Schism> Or just beef.
18:08 <Cepheid> Yes. Finwe, you know as well as I that US Layout keyboards are not designed for special characters like that. :P
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18:09 <Finwe> Cepheid: Actually, you can just press Compose-o-e.
18:09 <Cepheid> What key would be compose on a US-layout keyboard?
18:09 <Cepheid> Configured to a US-layout in the OS?
18:10 <Finwe> The one that says "Compose", in case you have Sun Microsystems System 6 USB keyboard.
18:10 <Cepheid> We do not have that.
18:10 <Cepheid> It is not a part of the standard US keyboard layout.
18:11 <Finwe> Otherwise you have to map compose to something else, like Right Win or whatnot.
18:11 <Cepheid> And while we can rely on Alt+#### in Windows, that may not work, because the characters from that are typically from an OS-set codepage, which itself is just a mapping of values to characters specific for a given region.
18:12 <Cepheid> For Linux, it's usually CTRL+Shift+U, followed by a unicode code point.
18:12 <Cepheid> And, well, I don't have all 1,000,000 or so codepoints memorized.
18:14 <Cepheid> My point is, US-layout keyboards are not designed to type in special characters in any way.
18:14 <Cepheid> At best, they handle ASCII and that's it.
18:14 <Cepheid> We can't even do accented characters.
18:15 <Cepheid> Now, were I using a Canadian International Layout keyboard, then we can talk about whether or not I can type in special characters not specific to English.
18:16 <Cepheid> Even though it doesn't have a compose key, it does introduce one extra key to the standard US layout, in between the left shift and z keys, that could be used for a compose key, if configured in the OS.
18:17 <Finwe> The Canadian keyboard should have a separate key for œ, because it is used in French.
18:18 <Cepheid> It does not have a separate key for it, same with that accented 'c' character. It's a typical US layout keyboard, with an extra key, and multiple keys having numerous symbols on them indicating alternative uses under certain key presses.
18:18 <Cepheid> That extra key is not a compose key, either.
18:18 <Cepheid> It's simply an extra key for a few extra symbols.
18:19 <Cepheid> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#/media/File:KB_Canadian_Multilingual_Standard.svg This is basically what it looks like.
18:19 <Cepheid> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#/media/File:KB_Canadian_French_text.svg This is what was on my old laptop, though.
18:20 <Cepheid> Except all in English, rather than French.
18:20 <Finwe> I beliehttps://superuser.com/questions/64178/compose-key-on-windows/623576
18:20 <Cepheid> Meanwhile..
18:20 <Finwe> Oops.
18:20 <Finwe> https://superuser.com/questions/64178/compose-key-on-windows/623576
18:20 <Finwe> There.
18:20 <Cepheid> The only extra key you typically see on US layout keyboards is the Fn key on laptops. However, that's a special case.
18:21 <Cepheid> Due to ineptitude in thinking, the Fn key is not handled in any way by the OS.
18:21 <Cepheid> It's handled by a controller that is part of the keyboard itself.
18:21 <Finwe> You can have compose with Windows, you just need some extra software to implement the functionality.
18:21 <Cepheid> I never said compose wasn't available to the OS.
18:21 <Cepheid> Just that it's not on the keyboards.
18:22 <Finwe> The Sun keyboard is probably the only one with it.
18:22 <Finwe> Or Silicon Graphics keyboards might also have compose.
18:23 <Finwe> No, no Compose key on them.
18:24 <Finwe> There's the US Sun Type 6: https://i.stack.imgur.com/XnH7H.jpg
18:25 <Finwe> I have one extra key on the ASDF row,
18:26 <Finwe> and the Enter key is a bit narrower and also occupies the space where the |\ key is located in the US layout.
18:27 <Finwe> The modifier keys are the same.
18:28 <Finwe> Two Meta keys, one Compose, one Alt Graph, one Control, two Shifts and one Alt.
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18:49 <Schism> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRP9k9nlAfE&list=PLMEOLAYxGgstLEUGRx8kCF15EFBG5M95X > For the benefit of Cepheid.
18:49 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
18:49 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Caravan Palace - Miracle (official audio)
18:49 <Cepheid> SOrry for the quiet.
18:49 <Cepheid> My mother came in and decided to discuss some stuff with me.
18:50 <Finwe> Stuff, like wossnames?
18:50 <Cepheid> Anyways, regarding the Fn key as I was discussing earlier, it's handled internally in the keyboard. The way it works is that a controller chip sees the Fn key being pressed, and then another key is pressed, and it translates the combination into a special keycode that the OS *DOES* understand.
18:50 <Finwe> And other general issues.
18:50 <Cepheid> Problem is, any key combinations it doesn't recognize, it doesn't do anything with them, it discards them.
18:50 <Cepheid> They're never reported to the OS, nor is the Fn key's state ever reported to the OS either.
18:51 <Cepheid> I mean, I could be wrong about that, and maybe the OS does see it, but I'd have to look at driver code to figure that out.
18:52 <Cepheid> But as far as I can tell, there's no indication of any form that it's receiving data from the keyboard when the Fn key is pressed, or pressed with non-Fn-function keys.
18:56 <Cepheid> Yeah, catting the keyboard /dev/ entry, then hitting Fn doesn't report anything at all.
18:56 <Cepheid> Same with any non-Fn function key combinations.
18:58 <Finwe> Apple has for some reason given each function key a primary function different from what they actually are, and to get the function keys to actually function as function keys you have to press Fn simultaneously.
18:59 <Finwe> So if you press F1, you just reduce screen brightness. The actual F1 is produced by Fn-F1.
18:59 <Cepheid> Hmm. Location is serio0. Wonder if I can get direct access to the serial input.
19:00 <Cepheid> Yeah, Dell does that with their laptops, but you can switch it around.
19:00 <Cepheid> There's an Fn lock key, in this case the Escape Key. Fn + Escape switches how the function keys are handled.
19:00 <Cepheid> In one mode, they perform their Fn function. In the other, they act like standard F1, F2, and so on.
19:01 <Finwe> Apple also has the keycodes for §° and <> keys swapped for some reason.
19:03 <Finwe> The most robust solution is to tackle this on the kernel level, if you want to run some other OS on your Mac without having the aforementioned keys swapped.
19:14 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
19:16 <Finwe> Hmm, free Elite: Dangerous on Epic Games.
19:16 * Finwe accepts this gift.
19:16 <Cepheid> And given they folded in Horizons, you get that for free now as well.
19:22 * Cepheid roots around the atkbd code.
19:24 <Cepheid> Outside of directly monitoring the i8042 port, I doubt rooting through this will give me a quicker answer.
19:31 <Cepheid> Enabled debug on the i8042 driver. Reports interrupts from all the key presses as a result.
19:32 <Cepheid> No messages for pressing Fn alone, or combining it with non-Fn function keys.
19:32 <Cepheid> However...
19:33 * Schism takes a few moments to recover from her store run.
19:33 * Schism passes Cepheid some of these chocolate hazelnut biscotti.
19:34 * Schism also passes Filly_Nightmares some choklit ice cream wif bananas and choklit sauce!
19:34 <Cepheid> It may be filtering interrupts.
19:38 <Cepheid> First field is interrupt time in jiffies. Then masked data. Then the type(interrupt), followed by port and IRQ.
19:42 <Cepheid> So, it's not at the serial driver level, so, hmm...
19:49 * Schism supposes she should provide Cepheid with an ice cream sandwich slathered in chocolate sauce, too.
19:50 * Cepheid noms.
19:51 <Schism> "You're smiling." "Your point?" "I've seen that smile before." "Yes, I am sure you have. I smile more often than most would believe."
19:53 <NitroTheFurry> Cepheid!
19:53 <NitroTheFurry> Hi
19:53 <NitroTheFurry> How are you feeling
19:53 * Schism throws a bead-doll Krystal. It lands on Nitro's nose.
19:54 <Cepheid> Better.
19:54 * Schism follows it up with a Renamon and a Rarity. Both bead dolls.
19:55 <Schism> (Not that I'm a fox or anything.)
19:56 <NitroTheFurry> Wow, thanks for the dolls!
19:59 <Cepheid> Hum.
20:00 <Cepheid> This is being finicky.
20:02 <Cepheid> Looks like the Fn key is handled by the Dell WMI.
20:08 <Cepheid> Okay.
20:09 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: <unspecified> [ https://tinyurl.com/y34g3gb3 ]
20:09 <Cepheid> So there's more than just the specified keys that respond to Fn combinations.
20:09 <Cepheid> Turns out there's a bunch of other keys that combine with it, they are just set to be ignored by the Dell WMI driver.
20:09 <Cepheid> All others either have effects associated with them, or are reserved.
20:10 <Cepheid> Presumably, the reserved ones don't print anything at all, while the ones that AREN'T reserved, but have no function, WILL emit a WMI debug message.
20:10 <Cepheid> So it looks like the controller is designed to handle Fn + Any other key. A lot more, especially.
20:11 <Cepheid> How does Linux handle sparse keymaps..?
20:17 <Cepheid> Interestingly, it's SUPPOSED to print out debug information, in various situations(Invalid key, valid key), but it doesn't. Not sure how to trigger that.
20:18 <Cepheid> Ah. I need a debug version of the module.
20:19 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcshNLuEK2Y
20:19 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
20:19 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Shadow Ciranda「東方/Touhou Vocal Arrange」
20:22 <Cepheid> Yep. Entries with KE_IGNORED are simply not printed out or handled in any way. Thus, I won't see *ANY* response from combinations that have it set.
20:22 <NitroTheFurry> What exactly are you trying to code?
20:23 <Cepheid> Nothing, in particular.
20:24 <Cepheid> I am trying to figure out how this laptop handles it's Fn+<Key> combinations.
20:24 <NitroTheFurry> How did you get access to the code for that
20:25 <Cepheid> Linux kernel is open-source, and has driver code for Dell-WMI, which handles that.
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20:28 <Cepheid> Right, so let's see, kernel 5.9.4.. Grab it, unpack, set up for building, and build that single module *WITH* debug enabled, and install it. o3o
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20:45 <Cepheid> Debug's enabled. Hum.
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20:56 <Cepheid> So there's a large subset of this keyboard that works with the Fn key.
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20:57 <Cepheid> Unfortunately, if it supports every other key that's not a part of that subset, it's at a deeper level of the hardware.
20:58 <Cepheid> Looks like everything regarding special functionality is handled by the SMBIOS.
21:08 <Cepheid> Which, basically means "it's out of my control."
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21:19 <Cepheid> ... When did it become 4:20 PM?
21:20 <Cepheid> The university responded. Do I really want to examine the response?
21:22 * Cepheid debates dancing towards some monsters and beating them silly.
21:23 <NitroTheFurry> Yes
21:23 <Schism> I'm being very silly in a Twitter thread, referencing long works of literature with regards to debt statements of 300+ pages.
21:24 <Cepheid> NitroTheFurry: Yes to what?
21:24 <NitroTheFurry> Wait, the university that was giving your mother the run around?
21:24 <Schism> Protip: If you want to contest a debt, maybe don't write 350+ page diatribes.
21:24 <Cepheid> My mother originally tried to deal with it on my behalf, yes.
21:24 <Cepheid> But I took matters into my own hands when I saw that the university was giving my mother the run around.
21:24 <NitroTheFurry> Then yes, examination time
21:24 <Cepheid> That's... what set me off earlier.
21:25 <Cepheid> Which is why I am questioning if I really want to look at it.
21:25 <Cepheid> Because it could just set me off again.
21:25 * Schism nods, and hugs the Cepheid. "It doesn't hurt to ... well, usually doesn't hurt to look."
21:25 <Cepheid> Fine.
21:26 <Cepheid> ...
21:26 * NitroTheFurry is on standby for support hugs
21:26 <Schism> If nothing else, looking at a wound doesn't cause it to be bigger than it already is.
21:26 <NitroTheFurry> Thats... not necessarily true
21:27 <NitroTheFurry> For mental wounds at least
21:27 <Schism> I know. But...
21:27 <Cepheid> ...
21:27 <Cepheid> Really, university?
21:27 <Cepheid> You're going to try and take that path?
21:27 <NitroTheFurry> Uh oh
21:27 <NitroTheFurry> What they do
21:28 <Schism> At least now you know what they're doing, and what you can do in response.
21:28 <Schism> But I have to wonder. What bullshit are they foisting on you now?
21:28 <Schism> (And pardon my language, but they've been stringing Cephy along by the nose for a great many years.)
21:29 <Cepheid> They're arguing that I erred in my e-mail address.
21:29 * Schism twitch.
21:30 <Schism> I know your damned e-mail address. It's your given name. What in the name of Eris are they thinking saying that YOU'RE the one who made a mistake there?
21:31 <NitroTheFurry> You can show that you gave them the correct one, cant you?
21:31 <Cepheid> I compared the e-mail in their system with the e-mail address that the school uses to send everything to me.
21:31 <Cepheid> They are, character for character IDENTICAL.
21:31 <Cepheid> Fortunately?
21:31 <Cepheid> They're letting me pay for the insurance *NOW* and getting my coverage.
21:32 <Schism> WELL THAT'S GOOD AT LEAST. Furrfu! What in the name of sanity?! No, what in the name of insanity?
21:33 <ADragonDreaming> "On review of the e-mail address on file in your system since (date of you joining them) and the e-mail address that all correspondence to date has been sent to, I do not find any discrepancy. The correct e-mail address to contact me was provided originally. Please investigate to determine the cause
21:34 <Schism> "...and please send to me the head of the party responsible for this discrepancy, at your convenience."
21:34 * Schism coughs.
21:35 <Cepheid> Gods. Finally.
21:35 <ADragonDreaming> of the error in sending the original notice."
21:35 <ADragonDreaming> That's the style of wording I use in my ticket work.
21:36 <Schism> I'm glad that we have fairly similar styles, Adra.
21:38 <ADragonDreaming> Polite but very firm.
21:39 <Schism> Cautious, as we must be, and yet demonstrative of the fact that we cannot, in fact, provide them with the moon.
21:39 <NitroTheFurry> Why did I read that like it was bloodborne?
21:40 <ADragonDreaming> I mostly engage that when sending things back to level 2 or 3 these days.
21:41 <Schism> Criminy. I don't think I have yet to need to shut a customer down yet. And I do mean a hard shutdown.
21:42 <Cepheid> I passed on another e-mail telling them that the address they showed me is identical to the address provided to me by the university, and that all e-mails are forwarded to my gmail, and I checked both inboxes, there's no indication AT ALL that any e-mails have been sent by their system.
21:42 <ADragonDreaming> The only hard shutdowns my project has to engage in is when they want something that we can only do if the lender requests it (and pays for it, but we don't say that part)
21:42 <Cepheid> There's something wrong with their system.
21:42 <ADragonDreaming> Yep.
21:43 <ADragonDreaming> If they had a me in their support team structure that would have been caught already.
21:44 <Schism> Alice, stupid question. I forget, but does your e-mail address as you provided it contain any dots or special characters?
21:44 <Schism> I have yours on mine, but it's bereft thereof.
21:45 <Schism> Mostly because we both know that special chars get stripped by any mail server worth its salt.
21:46 <Schism> Because this is a university, though, any salt it's worth should be tested for loose chlorides.
21:46 <Cepheid> andrewdionne3@cmail.carleton.ca
21:46 <Cepheid> That's what it is.
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21:47 <Cepheid> In fact, someone e-mail me at it to test it, please.
21:47 <Schism> Sure, one sec.
21:47 <NitroTheFurry> Well
21:47 <NitroTheFurry> Okay then
21:47 <NitroTheFurry> Would you like a second test?
21:47 <Schism> Test sent.
21:47 <ADragonDreaming> sent.
21:47 <Cepheid> Nah, two should be good.
21:48 <Schism> Got mine, Alice?
21:48 <Cepheid> I got them both.
21:49 <Cepheid> Strangely, it lists your e-mails as... "external email"?
21:49 <Schism> Ah, great. So that's not a constant issue... yeah, that's sane, actually.
21:49 <ADragonDreaming> yeah, not surprised.
21:49 <Cepheid> No, no. I mean, it prefixes the subject with "[External Email]"
21:49 <ADragonDreaming> Yep.
21:49 <Schism> You want to distinguish external e-mail from internal, so that's actually a sane way to do so.
21:50 <Cepheid> And they were both forwarded as well.
21:50 <ADragonDreaming> pretty sure that anything from an address not from .carleton.ca will wind up with that.
21:50 <Cepheid> Mmhmm, probably.
21:50 <Cepheid> Except not.
21:50 <Schism> Honestly, I would appreciate that for our own systems; nothing of the sort seems to be in place at my work.
21:50 <Cepheid> I receive e-mails from randstad and hiring services.
21:50 <Cepheid> They are not labeled as external.
21:50 <Schism> Randstadt might be whitelisted there, then.
21:50 <Cepheid> And in fact, the CUSA representative that got ahold of me was using a carleton e-mail.
21:51 <ADragonDreaming> a lot depends on settings in the server, aye.
21:51 <Cepheid> And was listed as [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
21:51 <Schism> Then it's just a series of completely (#$*'d filters.
21:51 <Cepheid> I'm starting to think it's not all set up correctly.
21:51 <ADragonDreaming> What Schism said.
21:51 <ADragonDreaming> ours were appropriately flagged, at least.
21:51 <Schism> To be sure, honestly, I'd not be surprised if Randstadt is whitelisted on general principles.
21:52 <Schism> (For Adra's edification, they're a temp agency up here.)
21:52 <Cepheid> That, or they do have an internal e-mail to use, as they would likely assist stuff like co-op handling.
21:52 <Schism> Which is perfectly reasonable. Everything else, though...
21:53 <Cepheid> As for the CUSA e-mail, it appears that the reason for the [External Email] is that despite CUSA being internal, their StudentCare stuff is listed under a studentcare e-mail address.
21:53 <Schism> So you whitelist the domain, is that so hard to do?
21:53 <ADragonDreaming> apparently.
21:53 <Cepheid> Schism.
21:53 <Schism> I know.
21:54 <Cepheid> ITS literally installed Ransomware on the school network last year.
21:54 <Cepheid> ITS being the IT department of the university.
21:54 <Cepheid> It's run entirely by students.
21:54 * Schism goes pale.
21:54 <Cepheid> Not graduate students, undergraduates.
21:54 <NitroTheFurry> ...
21:54 <ADragonDreaming> ...wait, even supervisory positions?
21:55 <Cepheid> The year before, they were doing electrical work on the campus. ITS forgot to shut down every access point all over the campus.
21:55 <Schism> I was briefly in a charter school which operated by that position. During the days of NIMDA. That was actually quite a lot of fun, and I learned a lot, but ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THEY WANTED ME TO.
21:55 <Cepheid> We come back the next week, after the electrical work was done.
21:55 <Cepheid> Every access point was fried.
21:55 <Lumindia> welp
21:55 <Cepheid> Electrical surge from the work destroyed every access point. They all had to be replaced.
21:56 <Cepheid> ADragonDreaming: A lot of stuff that should be handled by professors, administration, and so on, is actually handled by the students.
21:56 <Schism> Alice, if you come down here after the plague, I think we'll have to share beers.
21:56 <ADragonDreaming> I mean, having undergrads be on IT staff is fine. Its just that leadership needs to be... not student.
21:56 <Cepheid> CUSA, the student's association, is run entirely by students, even the administrative stuff. A while back they got in trouble for taking a credit card out in the university's name and going hogwild with it.
21:56 <Cepheid> ITS meanwhile is run entirely by students as I understand it.
21:56 <Cepheid> Grading of assignments and exams is done by undergraduate students.
21:56 <Schism> And of course, the lesson they learned was "Don't give out the credit card".
21:57 <Lumindia> yeah, I remember you talking about the 'credit card' thing before
21:57 <Cepheid> Professors don't have a hand in grading at all. It's all offloaded onto undergraduate students who passed the course with a certain mark.
21:57 <ADragonDreaming> marp.
21:57 <Cepheid> University likes to save money where it can, and take as much money elsewhere when it can.
21:58 <Schism> Were you of a certain bent, you could probably cause the whole structure to implode.
21:59 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/TYYODRn.png Also, these are the fees I paid. Some of them are a complete waste thanks to the pandemic, and yet we still have to pay them.
21:59 <Cepheid> In fact, some of them were supposed to be refunded, but haven't.
21:59 <Schism> Seems a sensible matriculation budget, save for the athletics.
21:59 <Cepheid> Funny thing.
22:00 <Cepheid> That athletics fee?
22:00 <Cepheid> Doesn't pay for access to the gyms.
22:00 <Cepheid> That's a separate fee.
22:00 <Schism> Nah, the gyms aren't important. What's really important is quidditch. Er, I mean, basketball, soccer and lacrosse.
22:01 <Cepheid> Heh.
22:01 * Cepheid flops.
22:01 <Cepheid> I'm just glad this debacle is over. What's next I wonder?
22:01 * Schism hugs the Cepheid. "Blergh. Don't ask that."
22:02 <Cepheid> As I stated earlier.
22:02 <Cepheid> Every semester, something happens.
22:02 <Cepheid> It is the one constant with this university thus far.
22:03 * ADragonDreaming goes back to marping at ticket categorizations and wondering why agents make the choices they do.
22:04 <Cepheid> ... Oh no, Randall, no.
22:04 <Cepheid> He's preparing for an event on December 2nd, where he is going to present a number of questions/scenarios to Col. Chris Hadfield.
22:04 <ADragonDreaming> Randall Flagg?
22:04 <Cepheid> Randall Munroe.
22:04 <Cepheid> xkcd.
22:04 <ADragonDreaming> Ah.
22:04 <Cepheid> This is the second time he's done this to Hadfield, now.
22:05 <ADragonDreaming> well, then Hadfield knows what he's in for.
22:05 * NitroTheFurry is confused
22:05 <Schism> There is no doubt in my mind that each of them will be wearing masks. Now, the question of what queries they'll pose to one another...
22:05 <Cepheid> First time was for How To, in a chapter about landing various planes in different situations, up to and including attempting to land the space shuttle.
22:05 <Schism> This promises to be excellent, and will be vital in informing the development of Kerbal Space Program 2.
22:06 <Cepheid> The event is called "Stump the Astronaut"
22:06 * Schism holds her hands together and lets out a squee.
22:06 <Cepheid> From that alone, it sounds like the goal is to present a situation in which Chris Hadfield has no idea what to do.
22:06 <Cepheid> Which means that the situations are going to be impossibly outlandish.
22:06 <Schism> Nothing you've said has made me any less excited about this event.
22:07 <Cepheid> Of course.
22:07 <Cepheid> I'm excited too.
22:07 <Cepheid> It's just...
22:07 <Schism> I just hope they're actual questions, instead of troll.
22:09 <Schism> Randomly, this is what happens when literary nerds decide to cross swords. https://twitter.com/msbellows/status/1329522872642015233
22:10 <Cepheid> I presume that Randall's going through the questions and vetting them.
22:11 <Cepheid> Because let's be honest there's going to be some bad stuff in there.
22:11 <Cepheid> Some of it probably true, but irrelevant to the topic.
22:11 <Schism> Hopefully it will be sanitized, yeah.
22:13 <ADragonDreaming> chat ticket description: "Dealer had <issue.> I helped the dealer via chat."
22:13 * Cepheid goes and gets PC hooked back up. Hid the thing in view of parents to keep self from using it for gaming while doing work the last few days.
22:13 <Schism> Adra: ... yup. Been there.
22:13 <ADragonDreaming> Fortunately I can just tap the team lead on the shoulder and say "hey."
22:13 <ADragonDreaming> but still.
22:14 <Schism> Coaching point~
22:14 <Schism> "Created return label." "WHAT RETURN LABEL?!" --me, too many times
22:15 <ADragonDreaming> I'm at line 434 of 3013 in ticket review.
22:15 <Schism> You lucky sod.
22:16 <ADragonDreaming> It would be fewer to review, but I wasn't able to get time to do it for two weeks running.
22:16 <ADragonDreaming> I'm looking at tickets from 10/30 to 11/12 right now.
22:16 <ADragonDreaming> 11/13 to 11/19 is gonna be hot on these heels.
22:17 <Schism> TPTB decided that they wouldn't get the new hires in until... *checks notes* TODAY, and so we have a backlog of cases which really should not be there.
22:18 * Cepheid checks steam. Lotta downloads.
22:19 <ADragonDreaming> in my case it's just looking over the saved tickets to see if people are giving accurate summaries and categorizing them properly.
22:20 <Schism> So of course, Cepheid, I couldn't persuade you to pick up Golf with your Friends.
22:20 <Cepheid> I could at some point, yes.
22:20 <Schism> Adra: ... friend, ally, beloved!
22:20 <Cepheid> Ah, Halo Master Collection major update. Halo 4 for PC.
22:21 <Schism> Adra: I will happily help you murder all those people who fill out tickets with 'call customer back' and fail to provide a callback number, time, or name.
22:21 <Cepheid> My dad's primary issue with calls is that the people who set them up don't seem to know where he lives.
22:21 <Cepheid> He regularly gets calls for Montreal, Toronto, and other 5-6 hour trip locations.
22:22 <Schism> Cepheid: I fail to see the problem with them not knowing where you live.
22:22 <Schism> Not knowing the area...
22:22 <Cepheid> They give him calls that'd take 6 hours alone in ONE DIRECTION to get to the destination.
22:22 <Cepheid> Then ask for him to be back in Ottawa 30 minutes later for another call.
22:22 <Cepheid> This is a common occurrence.
22:23 <Schism> That sounds like someone needs to give Dispatch a swift kick in the unmentionables.
22:23 <Cepheid> Based on reports, it sounds like Dispatch is overseas.
22:24 <Schism> Ah. So a 12-hour-displaced kick in the unmentionables.
22:24 <Schism> Though if they're based in the Philippines, they've already received one.
22:25 <Schism> Let's call it a scratch and just say that management deserves one.
22:26 <Cepheid> Admittedly, it is better than the old system.
22:26 <Cepheid> They tried to integrate an automated system.
22:27 <Cepheid> It didn't work out when it asked them to go out to Pembroke, then travel to say, Kanata, in 10 minutes.
22:28 * Cepheid grabs God Eater 3 PC for the staggeringly low price of $20. 75% off.
22:29 <Cepheid> Ah. Okay, that's why the person thought it was my e-mail.
22:29 <Cepheid> They've never seen a Carleton email address with numbers in it.
22:30 <Cepheid> They assumed the number was a mistake.
22:30 <ADragonDreaming> oi vey.
22:30 <Schism> ...
22:31 <Schism> You are literally the THIRD person who has that given name.
22:32 <Schism> That EXACT given name. What manner of person believes that a unique identifier exists in such a state in such a aaaAAAGGH!
22:32 <Cepheid> You know what bothers me about this?
22:32 <Cepheid> The implication.
22:33 <Cepheid> There's a few possible reasons the emails never got to me, now.
22:33 <Cepheid> Did they remove the number from the e-mail address, thinking it was a mistake? If so, have they been sending the e-mails to the WRONG STUDENT?
22:33 <Schism> i know the reasons. i hate them all.
22:33 <Cepheid> I'm almost tempted to send an e-mail to the base e-mail address without the number to ask.
22:34 <ADragonDreaming> might as well.
22:34 <Schism> I suggest doing so.
22:36 <Schism> I would also suggest cc'ing @SwiftOnSecurity and letting tay know that this is kind of a thing that is STILL FREAKING HAPPENING
22:37 <ADragonDreaming> ...taylor swift?
22:37 <Schism> Nah, they started off being a ridiculous parody account and then suddenly turned into a really, really good cybersecurity watcher.
22:38 <Schism> (Also, advise them at a point removed.)
22:39 <ADragonDreaming> so, a parody of Taylor Swift as a security wonk?
22:39 <Cepheid> Sent it off. If I get a response, I'll update you.
22:39 <Schism> Basically, yeah. Well, that's what it started as.
22:39 * Schism nodnods.
22:39 <Cepheid> Schism, SwiftOnSecurity would be glad to know that the university is using deprecated security measures.
22:40 <Cepheid> I have to enable TLS 1.0 and TLS 1.1 on my browser in order to use their website.
22:40 <Schism> @_@
22:40 <ADragonDreaming> the product my project supports just went through outmoding TLS 1.1 as a whole.
22:40 * Schism begins to scream, and she's not sure when she'll stop.
22:40 <Cepheid> There are other reasons why I dislike this university besides just the administration.
22:40 <ADragonDreaming> As of 10/20
22:40 <Cepheid> I mean, it's not as bad as what happened at Algonquin.
22:40 <Cepheid> But still.
22:41 <Cepheid> Algonquin College used a system that transmitted passwords in plaintext.
22:41 <Cepheid> ITS there was also entirely student run.
22:41 <Schism> Please stop. I don't think I can take much more of this.
22:41 <ADragonDreaming> outmoding TLS 1.0 which happened a couple years ago involved a whole callout campaign by their sales people.
22:41 <Schism> (I jest, of course. But aaaaaa)
22:41 <ADragonDreaming> by comparison, the TLS 1.1 outmoding was just an e-mail.
22:42 <ADragonDreaming> (sent in September, of course, but yes)
22:42 <Cepheid> I've grown accustomed to this stuff. That doesn't mean I don't get affected by it emotionally and mentally, though. Just, it has less and less impact each time it happens now.
22:42 <Cepheid> Plus, I think the medication helps to mediate the effects.
22:43 * Schism tugs her phone out her pocket, and begins to tap it against her forehead. "Eventually this will make an impact."
22:45 <Cepheid> Seriously, that's a weird glitch in MHWorld.
22:45 <Cepheid> If a player on your friends list is playing it, but they are invisible, the "Friend Sessions" window will pop up fine.
22:46 <Cepheid> But if no one on the list is playing it at all, it doesn't pop up.
22:46 <Cepheid> Saying "No sessions found"
22:46 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, invisible player sessions simply don't show up in the list.
22:46 <Cepheid> Oh good, I get all my vouchers from the missed days.
22:48 <ADragonDreaming> noice
22:49 <ADragonDreaming> I can be on for play later.
22:49 * Cepheid spend some early time getting back into the swing of things crafting the lower armors of Master Rank. Start building up that collection.
22:49 <ADragonDreaming> after dinner and such.
22:49 <Cepheid> Of course.
22:50 * Cepheid should also probably sell anything prior to master rank at this point as well.
22:50 <ADragonDreaming> I made blackveil's set.
22:50 <ADragonDreaming> Also ringer'd the Lunastra & Teostra quest for a high-ranker.
22:50 <Schism> I may or may not have just become Sniff.
22:50 <ADragonDreaming> Apparently they'd been trying it for days.
22:51 * Cepheid takes HR Zorah armor, augments it, just to see how far Defense can go up.
22:51 <Cepheid> Max unaugmented is 78.
22:51 <Cepheid> Augmented, max is...
22:51 <Cepheid> 92.
22:51 <Cepheid> And I cannot augment it further.
22:52 <Cepheid> Even at max level.
22:52 <Cepheid> So yeah, high rank and low rank armor aren't worth augmenting.
22:53 <ADragonDreaming> aye, not anymore.
22:53 <Cepheid> Max I can get out of the lowest rarity low-rank gear is 68 defense.
22:55 <Cepheid> About the biggest use out of low and high rank gear is for specialized pieces to achieve certain set bonuses, but that's primarily useful in non-combat stuff.
22:56 <Cepheid> Aaaand 1,000,000 zeny.
22:58 <ADragonDreaming> big!
22:58 <ADragonDreaming> *Bing
22:58 <ADragonDreaming> sold LR and HR monster parts?
22:59 <Cepheid> Not yet. All the armor.
22:59 <Schism> Peas in cream sauce... are a beginning. Hmm.
22:59 <Cepheid> The parts I'm keeping for weapon crafting.
23:00 <ADragonDreaming> oh aye. I kept at minimum 10 of each monster part
23:00 <ADragonDreaming> but I had some where I had, like, 68?
23:00 <ADragonDreaming> so I sold half.
23:00 <Cepheid> Turns out fully-augmented and upgraded gear sells for nutso amounts.
23:00 <Cepheid> I had Uragaan augmented and fully upgraded.
23:01 <Cepheid> Each piece sold for 60k.
23:02 <Cepheid> It doesn't even remotely make up for what it costs to upgrade it though.
23:03 <ADragonDreaming> Aye.
23:04 <Cepheid> I need 8 monster essence to finish the bug armors..
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23:13 <Cepheid> Right, I just killed a vespod with one of them falling bones in the Rotten Vale, so they do in fact deal damage.
23:13 <Cepheid> Just not a lot.
23:13 <Cepheid> Look more like they're meant to act as pillars.
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23:22 <Cepheid> Hum, A few pieces missing in the "single part" sets.
23:35 <Cepheid> Kill six gajau, get exactly 2 steel whiskers, 4 hides. Exactly what I need.
23:36 *** Quits: ADragonDreaming (ADra@Pony-t0v7i8.20dc.fhnt.0406.2601.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
23:38 <Cepheid> ... Not often I go on an expedition and there's no small monsters on the field. Wonder if that's due to the elder dragon on the field.
23:45 <Cepheid> Right, with that, everything down to Jagras B+ is made.
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