Log archive of EquestriaDaily for Wednesday, 2021-01-27

00:00 <Jackie_> I think I can't excel to be a good artist because I use art supplies that look so poor

00:07 <Cepheid> You know, there's a visual feature I haven't really seen in much use as of late when it comes to windowing systems.

00:07 <Cepheid> Window contents showing visual re-adjustments when resizing them.

00:12 <Schism> These first three panels.  Emily and King are such good friends.  https://www.baldwinpage.com/spacetrawler/2013/12/22/spacetrawler-378/

00:12 * Filly_Nightmares skreeeeee

00:13 * Schism provides Filly_Nightmares wif waffles! They're warm and toasty.

00:13 * Filly_Nightmares blep

00:13 * Filly_Nightmares gnaw on waffle and on Schism tail!

00:15 * Schism snugs the Surry. And provides a batbat plush. When squeezed, it goes 'eeeee'.

00:16 * Filly_Nightmares latches onto and purrrr

00:22 * Schism also offers some baked brie with honey and crackers.

00:22 <LibrarianofHope> i went to an art store owo

00:22 <LibrarianofHope> my dad commisoned a frame for something, i tagged along

00:22 <LibrarianofHope> got some brushes

00:23 * LibrarianofHope draws whiskers on the eeeee friend

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00:35 * Cepheid writes a version parser for Factorio's version information resources. Can now determine if there is newer version of Factorio through code.

00:37 <LibrarianofHope> Surry! thats easy to write

00:38 * LibrarianofHope boops the Surry

00:40 <NitroTheFurry> https://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/comments/l5l7ht/custom_my_little_ludwig/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

00:43 <LibrarianofHope> that can impressive depending on the painting

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00:47 <Schism> Nitro: Still think this is sublime.  https://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/comments/kwl2j9/frasier_and_niles_in_bloodborne_by_joe_chouinard/

00:48 * Filly_Nightmares gnaw on LibrarianofHope

00:50 <LibrarianofHope> frasier and niles make so much sense as hunters of eldritch beasts

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01:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Say Something Nice About Fleetfoot [ https://tinyurl.com/yymwl5a9 ]

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02:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #2416 [ https://tinyurl.com/y646qudf ]

02:01 <Cepheid> Hum.  Dyson Sphere Project has potential.  Needs someone better at translating, though.

02:24 <Ali> Lots of Engrishing?

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03:00 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: TRIXIE Music: Thunder Dash - The Pianist vs The Unicorn [Piano Solo] [ https://tinyurl.com/y4kbc8cy ]

03:08 <Cepheid> Lots of engrishing.

03:11 <PinkieShy> I Hate people :(

03:14 <Cepheid> Spitfire is very talkative tonight.

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03:29 <PinkieShy> I'm worthless..

03:30 * Ali pat pats the PinkieShy and hugs

03:30 <PinkieShy> Been crying for the last 30 minutes now.

03:30 <PinkieShy> Doggo tried to cheer me up with no luck :(

03:30 * Ali can only offer pats and to not let things get to them

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03:32 <PinkieShy> Ali but how else are you suppose to not let something like a person you thought you could trust a bit saying they are targetting you to get you out of the game as they are irritated with you, They think your a sore loser and should just stop playing.

03:32 <PinkieShy> That's where i am at.. A traitor did that to me..

03:33 <Ali> Its not easy trust me, I know it too well dear

03:33 <Ali> I've been backstabbed more than I can count

03:33 <Ali> But you can't let them win their little attack against you and you keep pushing on.

03:33 <Ali> Its not easy, it never will be when everyone feels like they're all against you.

03:34 <Ali> But you have to never give up.

03:48 * Ali boops PinkieShy nose gently

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04:22 <DerpyBot> *derp*

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07:04 <Cepheid> Whee insomnia.

07:06 <Ali> Gotta love it

07:07 <Ali> Working on getting to space again, this time having a lot more space scaffolding ready, but I just don't feel like I have enough

07:08 <Cepheid> My experience is that you'll never have enough.

07:09 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/foxes_in_love/status/1354319262526148608/photo/1 Schism.

07:17 <Ali> Well the first time I went to space it was pretty much pointless

07:17 <Ali> Didn't have enough land to do anything.

07:26 <Cepheid> Man, these bugs are getting unreasonable.

07:29 <Ali> Cause of behemoth size or just the bases are so large they're sending huge waves

07:32 <Cepheid> Bases are so large that I can't remove them from existence, rather.

07:32 <Cepheid> Not without artillery, and even THEN...

07:35 <Ali> They spawn so many bugs when shot though

07:42 <Cepheid> My problem with artillery is more setting it up than the influx of attacks.

07:52 <Cepheid> !mail RazorSharpFang If I'm on tomorrow, send me off to bed, please.

07:52 <DerpyBot> Thank you for using the Derpy Mail Service 6_9

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07:57 <Ali> Only 8 more parts still the cargo rocket is built

08:03 <Ali> And there's the cargo rocket, now just need to load it up with goodies.  But for now a break.

08:04 <Cepheid> Goodies, including another rocket silo, landing pad, and enough rocket parts to get back if you decide to go up with it.

08:11 <Ali> If its to orbit, then you don't

08:12 <Cepheid> Oh right.

08:12 <Cepheid> Pod.

08:12 <Cepheid> Capsule thingy.

08:12 <Ali> Cause the capsule usually survies, and if it doesn't, there's another pod in a chest

08:12 <Ali> The thing I don't like is that even though the pod survives

08:12 <Cepheid> The capsule will survive the crash.

08:12 <Ali> You have to completely rebuild another rocket each time

08:13 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.  Though you do get some parts back, and if you research rocket reusability, eventually you can achieve 100% return.

08:13 <Ali> Which for now won't be possible

08:13 <Ali> Since no space science yet

08:13 <Cepheid> Yep.

08:13 <Cepheid> Hell we can't even get past level 2 or 3 on the server.

08:14 <Ali> The issue for me is trying to get space set up to where it can make some packs cause it needs a lot of liquids..

08:14 <Ali> I'm sure its very resource heavy and everything

08:14 <Ali> It feels like you must find an asteroid belt for that ice, else water is going to be a huge issue

08:15 <Ali> Oils won't be so bad once you can get the liquidification loop started

08:15 <Cepheid> Early on, it can be.  You also need to be careful with the manufactory, as it'll just drain reserves of fluids to make new fluids, and store up to 2100 units within itself.

08:15 <Ali> But until then, there's not much you can do.

08:17 <Cepheid> To deal with the manufactory issue, you can just put a tank at one of the outputs, hook it up to a pump at one of the inputs, or a power switch, and set the pump to only function when the fluid in the tank is less than some quantity.  Or have the switch activate when the fluid level in the tank drops too low.

08:19 <Ali> I never had tons of a liquid to worry about to be honest

08:19 <Ali> The first time I went up, I didn't bring up lubricant, so nothing would function

08:20 <Ali> Then when I did, water is in such high demand that the barrels run out pretty much instantly.

08:20 <Cepheid> Here, the issue is that when making cosmic water, the manufactory can, and will, eat through all your water to create and store cosmic water in it's internal storage.

08:21 <Cepheid> It has an internal storage buffer of something like 2,100 units, so it eats through water until it fills that up.

08:21 <Cepheid> Same problem happens with chemical gel.

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08:29 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.

08:32 <Finwe> Good morning, everypony.

08:32 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)

08:33 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift, Capt Koopz; Mlles Ali, Filly_Nightmares and Schism; Mr Cepheid.

08:33 * Finwe doffs his hat.

08:33 <Finwe> o7

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08:34 <Koopz> RAdm. Finwe o7

08:36 * Filly_Nightmares tucks her cold hoovesies into Finwe floof

08:36 * Finwe gives mittens to Filly_Nightmares.

08:37 <Finwe> Also, some warm and fluffy kittens. o3o

08:37 * Filly_Nightmares eeeee

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08:52 * Ali flops over the Finwe and ConfusionRift

08:52 * ConfusionRift huggles Ali.

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09:01 * Finwe hugs an Ali.

09:01 * Ali snugs Finwe tight

09:03 * Finwe puts Ali into a Keynesian equilibrium.

09:03 * Ali doesn't know what that is

09:05 <Finwe> One with zero inflation and output below the potential level. o3o

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09:25 <Ali> It makes me sick to see Fallout First being tagged a top seller on steam

09:27 <ConfusionRift> Recent Reviews: [MIXED] | All Reviews: [MIXED]

09:28 <ConfusionRift> That... that shouldn't be the case, for an oh so great top seller.

09:28 <ConfusionRift> Yay, algorithms.

09:28 <Ali> Considering that its for Fallout 76, it makes it worse as its the scam pay to play package

09:44 <ConfusionRift> Yep. But... you know. I guess some people like iiiaaaargh! (pukes oil)

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09:51 <Golden> ._.

09:55 * Golden flops. He is a bit angry he has to do the entire final level again of Castle Crashers on switch for he got taken down by the necromancer's army of enemies.

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10:11 <Jackie_> I want to end the pain.

10:12 <Ali> Bleh megaman 9 protoman route sucks

10:14 * Finwe noms on Ali's Nintendo games.

10:18 <Jackie_> I had a massive breakdown

10:19 * Finwe noms on Jackie_'s shatter superego.

10:19 <Finwe> *shattered

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10:55 <Finwe> Hmm, lunchtiem, but I need to buy some milk and other groceries before that.

10:55 <Finwe> Or just nom on Ali's tail.

10:56 * Finwe noms on Ali's tail.

10:56 <Finwe> The trivial solution is always there.

10:56 * Ali squeaks

10:56 * Finwe squeaks as well.

10:59 * Filly_Nightmares yawnskree and uses Ali as bed

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11:02 <Jackie> I can cry all night.

11:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #2188 [ https://tinyurl.com/y2wcw7sj ]

11:06 * Dappled horses into existence. Hello.

11:09 <Ali> When did I have an M tank?

11:09 * Ali flops over the Dappled horse

11:09 * Yuujin_Hiiragi hugs Ali

11:09 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> Gooood morning Ali~!

11:09 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> <3

11:10 * Ali squeaks at the new pono nick but hugs back regardless.

11:10 * Dappled brushies Ali.

11:14 * ConfusionRift doesn't recognize the name, but does recognize the greeting. "Hmmm."

11:14 * ConfusionRift then flops.

11:15 <Jackie> That's Luminda

11:16 * Jackie isn't that known here for some reason

11:17 * Dappled has no explanation.

11:17 <Finwe> Messrs Dappled and Yuujin_Hiiragi.

11:17 * Finwe doffs his hat.

11:17 * Dappled waves.

11:17 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> is indeed a Lumindia

11:17 * Yuujin_Hiiragi boops

11:21 <Jackie> Everyone here knows Filly_Nightmares.

11:23 * Golden flops.

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11:26 <Finwe> essrs Golden and RazorSharpFang.

11:26 <Finwe> Messrs*

11:26 * Finwe doffs his hat.

11:26 <Golden> Hey

11:27 <RazorSharpFang> Heys

11:28 * Dappled puts on an eye patch. Yar.

11:28 <Jackie> I have the plans to leave IRC once and for all

11:28 <Jackie> As I'm now using Discorf

11:28 <Jackie> *Discord

11:29 <RazorSharpFang> Not everyone here is on Discord.

11:31 <Jackie> I can't use IRC anymore because it's unstable

11:31 <Jackie> I kept disconnecting for no reason

11:31 <RazorSharpFang> Complain to your ISP, which will ignore you.

11:32 * ConfusionRift finds it odd. He's not that active here, and he seems to maintain a connection.

11:32 <Jackie> This is a fiber connection

11:32 <Jackie> 25Mbps

11:33 <Jackie> And it's pretty much impossible that I'm disconnecting

11:33 <RazorSharpFang> Grab Wireshark and take a look at the packet-trace.

11:34 <Jackie> How do you get it in Android

11:35 <RazorSharpFang> Are you using IRC on a phone?

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11:39 <Jackie> yes

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11:41 <Jackie> Thing is that it disconnects without a reason

11:41 <Jackie> Like no "ping timeout", "remote host closed the connection"

11:41 <Jackie> Just "Disconnected"

11:42 <Dappled> While the app is open or when you have tabbed away?

11:42 <RazorSharpFang> Android as an operating system will terminate connections it deems "idle"

11:43 <Jackie> Dappled: away

11:43 <Jackie> Is there a setting it prevents that

11:43 <RazorSharpFang> Android will also terminate activities and pages it deems to be "idle"

11:43 <Dappled> Yeah. What RazorSharpFang said. Android is just going to do that to you.

11:43 <RazorSharpFang> Entire applications will be terminated if you have not used them in a while.

11:44 <Jackie> If I can change to not disconnect

11:44 <RazorSharpFang> IRC is a very old protocol, and Android's methodology doesn't mesh very well with it.

11:45 * Yuujin_Hiiragi boops Jackie, snuzzle

11:45 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> Lumindia#7546

11:45 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> not sure if you have me already

11:45 <Jackie> It never happened to my phone before just recently

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11:45 <Jackie> Like what the f

11:46 <Jackie> I'm sure some people use IRC on their phone and they never disconnect suddenly

11:47 <RazorSharpFang> Most folk who use IRC on their phones use a Proxy IRC client.

11:47 <Jackie> How?

11:47 <RazorSharpFang> Where a desktop machine keeps a connection and then shares it with the phone.

11:47 <RazorSharpFang> Or a server machine connecting for them.

11:47 <Finwe> Or a shell server.

11:48 <Jackie> Sucks I don't have an actual server

11:48 <Jackie> Costs money

11:48 <Finwe> Make sure that your phone has no energy saving or such turned on.

11:48 <Jackie> Colgate should bring back BNC

11:51 <Finwe> Popular reasons for disconnect also include hard drive being put to sleep and no space left on mass storage device.

11:51 <Jackie> I can't use IRC anymore otherwise if joining/quitting is making a spam

11:52 <RazorSharpFang> Quite a few people have joins and quits on ignore.

11:52 <Jackie> "few"

11:52 <Jackie> That's the problem

11:52 <Jackie> Most have it om

11:52 <Jackie> *on

11:53 <Jackie> I don't care for the hell of it if someone bans me for an understandable problem that I can't fix.

11:54 <RazorSharpFang> I don't see why a channel OP would ban for repeated connecting and disconnecting so long it isn't multiple times a miute.

11:54 <Jackie> I got quite upset of the BNC program stopping

11:54 <Jackie> RazorSharpFang: because it floods the chat

11:55 <RazorSharpFang> Most people have leaves and joins ignored. So why is that a problem?

11:55 <Jackie> Dappled can see me joining and disconnecting so many times in his channel

11:55 * Dappled can?

11:55 <Jackie> It's mostly "has joined" "has quit" messages all over

11:55 * Dappled blinks. Still has a channel?

11:55 <Jackie> #EquestriaDailyOOC

11:56 <Dappled> Oh right. I still have mod priviliges.

11:56 * Dappled sometimes forgets.

11:56 * Dappled only really got it cause working nights he was active and somewhat responisible.

11:56 <Ali> That channel still lives?

11:56 <Dappled> No.

11:57 * Ali boops the lumin in disguise.

11:57 <Jackie> Alrai should have moved here tbh

11:57 <Dappled> It's down to like 7 users, myself and jackie included who are still logged in there, but noone talks.

11:58 <Ali> Its kinda why I left a bunch of channels

11:58 <Finwe> #silence

11:58 <Ali> No real point being there if its quiet and it annoys me a lot

11:58 <Jackie> Can't we just shutdown all the inactive EQD channels that aren't really used anymore?

11:58 <Jackie> For being clean

11:58 <Ali> They technically are, but I don't even see the point

11:58 <Finwe> I'm the only person present on at least three channels on this network.

11:58 <Jackie> Any EQD but EAD is dead.

11:59 * Ali flops over Dappled as the Protoman 9 run is over and it sucked hard.

11:59 <Ali> I haven't been to EAD in ages and I'm sure its just as dead.

11:59 * Finwe noms on Ali's gamepad.

11:59 * Dappled doesn't know who Protoman 9 is.

11:59 <Jackie> EAD is one step closer to having a funeral

11:59 <Ali> Its megaman 9 but you play as Protoman

11:59 <Golden> ._.

11:59 <Ali> He takes twice as much damage from everything

12:00 <Ali> No shop

12:00 <Ali> And E tanks are pretty much removed

12:02 <Golden> Interesting

12:03 <Jackie> EQD IRC got downhill I guess.

12:03 <Ali> And the WIly fight is RNG heck

12:03 <Jackie> Idk what made it fail.

12:03 <Ali> Discord

12:04 <Jackie> Yeah and it's funny that one of the admins in the server aren't the ones from IRC

12:04 <Ali> Its the hip new thing so everyone fled IRC to use Discord, even though its pretty much the same thing as IRC with stupid unneeded bells and whistles

12:04 <Jackie> *all of the admins

12:04 <Ali> And that's why its trash

12:04 <Jackie> I mean Discord is fine and all but

12:05 <Jackie> They lowered the quality of EQD in the server

12:06 <Ali> Its kinda what happens when admins just let memers take over the channel

12:06 <Jackie> What do you mean by memers?

12:07 * Dappled posts le memes.

12:07 * Dappled becomes the memes.

12:07 <Jackie> I like memes but they're cringe at times

12:08 <Ali> Well from what I heard they let just about anything slide

12:08 <Ali> But I've never been there and kinda don't want to.

12:09 <Golden> Same. Honestly I prefer irc for EQD

12:09 <Jackie> Is there a reason why they don't use an IRC bridge

12:09 <Jackie> I mean it connects both IRC and Discord users

12:10 <RazorSharpFang> You mean like Discord <-- bridge --> IRC ?

12:10 <Jackie> Yes

12:10 <Jackie> Like you can talk to Discorders

12:10 <RazorSharpFang> There's probably not a single Discord server.

12:10 <Ali> Cause Seth would have to give a flying heck about us here

12:10 <Jackie> That's really dumb if you makes multiple servers for different things

12:11 <Jackie> Why can't you make channels for different things, thus reducing hsrd worj

12:11 <Jackie> *hard work

12:12 <Jackie> Though in my opinion

12:12 <Jackie> An IRC bridge won't really work

12:12 <Jackie> Many IRC users here will leave because of a toxic environment

12:13 <Finwe> Several Discord–IRC bridge implementations exist already.

12:13 <RazorSharpFang> That's not exactly a great argument in favour of Discord.

12:13 <Jackie> I think you misinterpreted

12:14 <Jackie> What I'm saying is that if they were to use a bridge, Ali would likely step down

12:15 <Jackie> And it's kinda good that kind of thing didn't happen

12:15 <Jackie> I can't imagine how they would play with Filly_Nightmares

12:18 <Jackie> I can imagine her being tossed around like a ragdoll XD

12:18 <Dappled> Well that doesn't seem very nice.

12:18 * Dappled go bed horse though. Got to wake up in a couple hours for the covid test.

12:22 * Filly_Nightmares BLEP

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12:26 <Golden> Best of luck Dappled.

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12:37 <RazorSharpFang> Gamestop was on the news in Australia

12:39 <Ali> For the crazy stock chages?

12:39 * Jackie sniffs around Golden

12:39 <Finwe> Ali: Probably.

12:39 * Finwe hats on Ali.

12:39 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah. Gamestop is up to 252 dollars a share pre-market, up 72%

12:39 * Ali falls asleep. Unicorn up too late

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12:43 * Golden waves curling up before trying to sleep.

13:03 <Schism> ... now I want to make bread.

13:03 <Schism> Except I'm like as not to just head down to the beer store and pick up a bottle of Guinness to use in a good loaf of beer bread.

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13:06 <Finwe> Miss Angeline.

13:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Ship it Show #3 - Starring Horsefamous People [ https://tinyurl.com/y5p2jrly ]

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14:35 <RazorSharpFang> Gamestop has breached 300 USD per share. Up 116% today.

14:36 <Schism> Please tell me you're going to short that.

14:36 <RazorSharpFang> I cannot. My broker will not permit it.

14:37 <Schism> Foo.

14:37 <Schism> Sounds like the perfect time to short if you could, but oh well.

14:37 <RazorSharpFang> I do not have the ten billion dollars in collateral required to short it.

14:37 <Schism> That is perhaps not the meaning I meant.

14:38 <Schism> I mean put options.  

14:38 <RazorSharpFang> My broker has put a margin requirement of 100% on GME.

14:38 * Schism huhs.

14:38 <RazorSharpFang> I cannot sell calls without it being 100% backed by owned stock. I cannot sell puts without the funds required to handle immediate assignment being locked away.

14:39 <RazorSharpFang> This is as close as they can to a "DO NOT INTERACT" sign

14:39 <RazorSharpFang> So I am just going to sit on my little 4 shares, and watch the action from something approximating the sidelines.

14:40 <Schism> Well, day trading is a dangerous thing anyway, so that's reasonable.

14:41 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, I think a margin requirement of 100% is actually very reasonable for GME right now.

14:42 <Schism> As volatile as a bad batch of fuming red nitric acid?

14:42 <Schism> Er, red fuming nitric acid (RFNA).

14:44 <RazorSharpFang> It's to indicate the unreliability of the value of GME to stay consistent over short periods of time - Volatility

14:45 <Schism> Yes.  >.>

14:46 <RazorSharpFang> Most of the margin requirements are only applicable for people using margin anyhow, or people short short options.

14:46 <RazorSharpFang> I am short options, but none on GME. It's too hot for me to handle.

14:49 <Schism> Yeah, I wouldn't want to touch that right now either, even were I given to play the market.

14:49 <RazorSharpFang> There are some games you do not enter into lightly.

14:52 <RazorSharpFang> GME trading halt. Someone either short it bigly, or sold a LOT of stock.

14:52 <Schism> Probably the former.

14:52 <RazorSharpFang> halted at 269.69

14:53 * Schism hmms. "Well, let nobody say that your broker wasn't smart to take a hands-off approach there."

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14:57 <RazorSharpFang> Resumed trading back at 292

14:57 <RazorSharpFang> Exciting times, these numbers changing.

14:58 * Schism passes RSF a copy of Rollercoaster Tycoon.

14:59 <RazorSharpFang> I remember playing that as a kid.

14:59 <Schism> You could probably make a fairly decent coaster based off the stock prices today.

14:59 <RazorSharpFang> I would make all the rides super dizzy and then never hire any handymen.

15:01 <Schism> Well, as a kid, nothing more fun than watching all your visitors slip on patches of vomit.

15:02 <RazorSharpFang> Free drinks - pay for toilet use

15:02 <Schism> And half the fun of playing sims is seeing how wonderful you can make the experience for everyone -- and the other half is designing a mortal incarnation of Hell.

15:02 <RazorSharpFang> A game everyone can enjoy

15:03 <Schism> Yup.  Maxis et al. knew that eventually you want to take a spanner to the model railroad, so why not give the player the option to do just that?

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15:05 <RazorSharpFang> I could see a game where you design the road and transportation layout actually enjoyable.

15:05 <RazorSharpFang> I already enjoy making trains in Factorio

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15:50 <LibrarianofHope> ok, so what is to be done today owo

15:51 <Schism> RazorSharpFang, I'm not sure if I've mentioned it, but are you familiar with OpenTTD?  It's all about transportation systems and the like.

15:51 <RazorSharpFang> I've heard that OpenTTD was used as inspiration for Factorio's train systems

15:51 <Schism> I believe you're correct, yes.

15:57 <LibrarianofHope> i have a need to cuss someone out at this moment

15:57 <LibrarianofHope> an employe

15:58 <LibrarianofHope> cause hes annoying

15:58 <LibrarianofHope> but i wont, i have ethics, but i want too

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16:04 <LibrarianofHope> schism

16:04 * LibrarianofHope bonks schism

16:04 <LibrarianofHope> bonk

16:07 <Jackie_> I play OpenTTD

16:07 <Jackie_> I milk the hell out of cities

16:10 * Schism is bonked. Goes 'ow', but she's made of chitin and spite, so doesn't actually get hurt.

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16:12 <Jackie> I didn't know you're a she

16:12 <Jackie> I always think Schism is a guy's name lol

16:16 <Schism> Well, I'd given the impression that I was male some time ago (for 34+ years), but nope.  And it's neutral!

16:18 <Schism> But yes, I am a girl.  Not a big change, though.  :p

16:18 <Schism> At least in who I am on here.

16:19 <LibrarianofHope> owo

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16:45 * Dappled flops back in for a moment. Still covid free. Sleep now.

16:46 <Schism> Good to hear, and take care...!

16:46 * Dappled slightly grumble horse cause that means he has to keep going to work.

16:47 * Dappled snore.

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17:10 <Schism> Reading about Gamestop is interesting.  

17:15 <LibrarianofHope> very

17:15 <LibrarianofHope> apparntly reddit just cause the stocks to rise up

17:16 <LibrarianofHope> and if im undertanding right, its basically trolling?

17:16 <LibrarianofHope> correct me if im wrong

17:26 <Schism> It looks that way, anyway.

17:27 <Schism> One way or another, it was so disruptive that it caused the exchange to lock GSE down for at least some time.

17:29 <Schism> GME*

17:45 <LibrarianofHope> you now have account internet malice ?

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17:57 <LibrarianofHope> Having to account internet trolls into economics and stocks is fascinating and terryfing

18:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Muffins [ https://tinyurl.com/y4bwzohq ]

18:57 <ADragonDreaming> stock market is just Fantasy Football but with companies and money.

18:59 <LibrarianofHope> to a degree yeah

18:59 <LibrarianofHope> expcet it can end in real catastrophes

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20:06 <NitroTheFurry> https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comments/l65331/i_was_told_to_post_this_here_project_title/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

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20:38 <Cepheid> Wow.

20:38 <Cepheid> Instead of repairing the joycons, they just sent me brand new ones.

20:39 <AppleDash> Well they likely cost them around 50 cents to make :P

20:39 <Cepheid> Heh.

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20:46 <Schism> Cepheid: Nice.  o3o

20:46 <Schism> Also, Cepheid: The cold has teeth, but the wind is what makes them bite.

20:47 <Cepheid> 's why they got back to me so fast.  They decided that rather than repair, they'll ask a warehouse to send me two brand new units.

20:47 <Schism> That's for the best, to be sure.

20:47 <Schism> We do the exact same bloody thing for our shoes.

20:48 <Schism> "Well, we COULD replace the outsole at great expense, or we could just take a pair from our stock and write them off."

20:50 <Cepheid> Repairs take time to do, which means wages/salaries to be paid, and it may be more effort to remove the old parts and replace them with the new parts.

20:52 <Cepheid> Plus, removal of the parts may not exactly be something that can be done cleanly, in the case of shoes for example.

20:57 <Schism> Cepheid...

20:57 <Schism> The pharmacy is playing "One More Time" by DAFT PUNK.  X3

21:00 <Cepheid> Heh.

21:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Comfy Ambient Music: PumpkinZ - Blizzard [Ambient] [ https://tinyurl.com/y65jgl4t ]

21:08 <Schism> Well, tomorrow I'll go out to the pharmacy...

21:08 <Schism> I'm just...

21:09 <Cepheid> My throat is dry as all hell.

21:09 * Schism passes Cepheid some honey lemon iced tea.

21:10 <Cepheid> Mmm.

21:13 <Schism> Oh.  Also, I guess I should say that's the song playing on Shoppers' hold music.

21:14 <Cepheid> Wow.

21:14 <Schism> Possibly not what they should have going on.

21:14 <PinkieShy> Bank just scared me for a second there.. They called me

21:14 <PinkieShy> But i missed the call.. Thought something bad happened to my account.. Thankfully it wasn't that

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21:16 *** ChanServ sets mode: +qo Ali Ali

21:16 * Ali boops Cepheid, where does unicorn find asteroid belts for Space Exploration?

21:17 * PinkieShy hands Ali some ice cream that says its 'Outta this world! Space Ice Cream!'

21:18 * Ali boops PinkieShy, they feeling better?

21:19 <PinkieShy> A little.

21:20 <PinkieShy> Questioning if I can trust anybody in VRChat anymore though..

21:20 <PinkieShy> Its leaning like 40% I can.. 60% I can't.

21:20 * Ali hugs PinkieShy softly, tells them to not give up on it yet.

21:28 * Starlight_Glimmer sits on Ali.

21:29 * Ali squeakyflails at Starlight_Glimmer

21:32 <Cepheid> Ali:  Just keep firing satellites.

21:32 <Cepheid> You'll eventually find one.

21:33 <Cepheid> Out of curiousity, what was the first planet you found?

21:33 <Ali> Lilac

21:33 <Ali> Then Medjed

21:34 <Ali> Just got the 24h warning of a CME >.<

21:35 <Ali> I have no uranium to exploit so just gonna have to hope the shot doesn't hit the base.

21:41 <Cepheid> Okay, so the planets aren't in the same order, or the same for that matter.

21:42 <Cepheid> That's good because finding an asteroid belt seems more likely then, because otherwise, it'll take something like 20-30 rockets to find one.

21:45 <Schism> Randomly, Cephy: You might like this song.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KBCl5JCrjs

21:46 * Cepheid bookmarks for later listening. o3o Is not in a position to listen right now.

21:46 <Schism> Well, it's classical music.  :3

21:46 <Schism> But hopefully you'll enjoy it soon.  o3o

21:48 <Schism> Ali, you might like this at least.

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21:52 <LibrarianofHope> Ariaaa

21:52 <LibrarianofHope> chcecks out to name of a vocaloid

21:52 <LibrarianofHope> and the music term obviously

21:52 <Schism> Not a Vocaloid in this case.  Just a really good song.

21:52 <Schism> Well, song and set of albums.

21:53 <LibrarianofHope> i must have name a charcter aria at some point

21:53 <LibrarianofHope> its a very easy name

22:02 <Schism> "Where has he gone?" "That's hard to say.  He'll keep moving.  Wherever he doesn't want to go -- that's where he'll be."

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22:21 <Cepheid> You know, I really gotta get around to playing Dragon Marked For Deatrh.

22:22 <Cepheid> Death*

22:23 <Schism> Ali...

22:23 <LibrarianofHope> Ali?

22:23 <LibrarianofHope> aliiii

22:23 <Schism> I think this is an image Ali should see.  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/397535993546407945/804111028106428447/Cr251sXUMAA3gxC.png

22:24 * Dappled hisses and runs away.

22:26 <Cepheid> Well I nearly gave myself an electrical shock of epic proportions.

22:26 <Cepheid> I got up because I was hearing some unusual noises, and wanted to investigate.

22:27 <Cepheid> I knocked over a drink, which them slowly seeped towards the connecting point of my extension cord and laptop power cord..

22:27 <Schism> What did you nearly do to yourseeeee...

22:27 <Cepheid> And I was standing in the liquid.

22:27 * Schism hugs the Cepheid. "I'm glad you managed not do electrocute yourself."

22:27 <Cepheid> Fortunately, it's the type of extension cable that seals itself and can be used around water.

22:28 <Cepheid> So it was sealed dry shut, and no water seeped into the joint.

22:28 <Cepheid> And yeah, that would have been bad because my parents aren't home.

22:32 <Cepheid> Hum, which character to start with..?

22:32 <Cepheid> Shinobi has mobility, but Empress is very Zero-ish.

22:32 <Cepheid> Sword with an arm cannon.

22:33 <Dappled> The answer is to play 20XX instead?

22:33 <LibrarianofHope> i have a feud with a very dumb debt recovery agency

22:33 <LibrarianofHope> they bad

22:33 <Cepheid> Heh.

22:34 <LibrarianofHope> its so amusing to make them mad, i did ask nicely to not get called

22:35 * Cepheid writes name down in Katakana ingame.

22:35 <Cepheid> o3o

22:37 <Cepheid> セフィエド.

22:38 <Cepheid> Romaji sefiedo, pronounced seh-fee-eh-doh.  The "fee" uses a long "e" sound.

22:39 <LibrarianofHope> schism

22:39 <LibrarianofHope> my mouse broke

22:39 <Cepheid> Let's see for other names.. Ali, how do you pronounce your nickname?  Akin to "alley"?

22:41 <Cepheid> Schism's is a bit harder.  スキスム is the closest approximation I can think of.  Sukisumu.

22:41 <LibrarianofHope> my mouse unbroke

22:41 * LibrarianofHope glomps ali

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22:41 * Emma_Rald green horse.

22:41 <LibrarianofHope> ?

22:42 <LibrarianofHope> wut?

22:42 <Cepheid> Since foreign names are usually written in katakana, Librarian's name would likely be ライブラリアンオブホプ  "raiburarianobuhopu".  But if I were to use actual Japanese words and kanji...

22:44 <Cepheid> It depends.

22:44 <Cepheid> Define "hope" in the context of your name.

22:44 <Cepheid> Do you mean like in the form of "bright future" or "positivity"?

22:45 <Schism> Cepheid: My older cipher would be a bit more tricky.

22:45 <LibrarianofHope> keeper of hope

22:45 <Cepheid> No, no, I mean define the word "hope" individually.

22:45 <Cepheid> Like, what is hope to you in the context of your name?

22:46 <Cepheid> Not that you're a keeper of it, what is the HOPE?  Like, positivity, a bright future, promise?

22:46 <Schism> context of my name...

22:46 <LibrarianofHope> bright future

22:46 <Cepheid> Right.

22:46 <Cepheid> So then the most likely word would be, mm...

22:46 * Emma_Rald 's name is a pun.

22:46 <LibrarianofHope> ahh

22:46 <LibrarianofHope> im copying it

22:47 <LibrarianofHope> its a goodnae

22:47 <LibrarianofHope> good name

22:47 <Cepheid> 見込み, mikomi.  So... 司書の見込み.  Shishyo no mikomi.  Literally "Librarian of Hope."

22:47 <Cepheid> Though, don't quote me on that.

22:47 <Cepheid> I had to look up the words, so the words chosen may not be the most correct.

22:48 <Schism> I did not select my name based on a meaning, but fair and slim seems as good a choice as any.  So I shall poke you with a KNIFE if you try me.

22:48 <LibrarianofHope> ill leave that to howerver tanslates the novel in the future

22:48 <Schism> "Fair and slim" seems a decent choice for everything, including the blade of me whippy sword, me dear Librarian.

22:49 <LibrarianofHope> actually the Librarian of Hope character has the name cause his previous favorite job was actually being a Librarian

22:49 <Cepheid> Alternatively, since you define it as "keeper of hope" a better word for librarian might be 館長, kanchyou, which apparently translates to "superintendent; director; curator; chief librarian"

22:49 * Schism wouldn't of course threaten Librarian. X3

22:49 <LibrarianofHope> and Library of Hope cause it sounds cute and no one would freak out doing that

22:49 <LibrarianofHope> hearing that

22:50 <Schism> Schism I just picked because it means a split or divide between two points.

22:50 <Cepheid> But in general, since the phrase is used as a name, it might be better to write it in katakana.

22:50 <Cepheid> Though, as a title, it'd be better suited in kanji/hiragana.

22:51 <Schism> Retsu?

22:51 <Cepheid> For Schism/Divide in Japanese..

22:52 <LibrarianofHope> i have a gag in my history that everyone thinks the Librarian of Hope has this whole mystic thing , but if you ask him directly he tells you his normal name

22:52 <LibrarianofHope> its just that everyone is so convinced he wont they rarely bother

22:53 <Cepheid> 分ける, wakeru, a verb, to divide, to split, to part, to separate.

22:54 <Cepheid> But if I were to choose a noun or adjective, the word for "division" or "divided" might work better.

22:54 <Cepheid> Of which there are way too many words for each.

22:54 <Schism> Probably better.  I'd rather not be known as bakuretsu.

22:55 <Schism> Or wakuretsu.

22:55 <Cepheid> Among the words that would presumably work..

22:55 <Schism> Although there is certainly a pleasure to be known as the explosion.

22:56 <Schism> Er, certainly a positive aspect.  (Gods, I'm tired.)

22:56 <LibrarianofHope> konosuba

22:56 * LibrarianofHope gives megumin hat to schism

22:58 <Cepheid> warizan, mathematical term for division.  seppan, half; division.  toubun, division into equal parts.  bungatsu, partition; division; separation; segmenting; splitting.  bunkiten, junction; crossroads; division point; parting of ways.(This one seems like it'd be more a poetic name.)  wakare, parting; separation; farewell; (lateral) branch; fork; offshoot; division; separation...

22:59 <Cepheid> But again, a name written in English, so technically foreign in nature.  Katakana is more appropriate.

22:59 <Cepheid> Usually, when you go with a Japanese name, especially one in Kanji, your name is pronounced based on the kanji you choose to represent you.

23:00 <Cepheid> My professors regularly like to express "My name is written <name>, with the kanji for <item>, <item>, <etc.>"

23:02 <Schism> The segment 'bun' seems to fit me the best here.  

23:02 <Schism> Because I'm all of those and more, after all.

23:02 <Cepheid> So for example, if I wanted to write my name in Kanji..

23:04 <Schism> So, bun, assuming separation, and fox...

23:04 <Cepheid> 星, the kanji for "star" and 代, the kanji for "change; period; etc."

23:04 <Cepheid> And if I put the two together, I would get...

23:05 <Cepheid> Well, I can use many different readings,.

23:05 * Emma_Rald prefers pun names for her characters. My current (and longest running) tabletop rpg character is Alafair Rose

23:05 <Cepheid> But basically, the order in which I use would result in "periodic star" so 代星.

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23:06 <Schism> Emma_Rald, -- iron golem?

23:06 <Cepheid> The first one has a name meaning, so it starts with su, then I can either follow up with hoshi, boshi, shou, or sei.

23:06 <Cepheid> suhoshi, suboshi, sushou, or susei.

23:06 * Emma_Rald head tilts at that.

23:07 <Emma_Rald> Emma Rald. Emerald

23:07 <Emma_Rald> Green rock.

23:07 <Schism> Emma: Well, that's -- oh, I meant for Alafair Rose.

23:07 <Emma_Rald> More a pronouncieation thing.

23:07 <Schism> She's obviously made of iron with a rose tint.

23:07 <Emma_Rald> All a fair rose.

23:07 <Schism> Oh.

23:07 <Schism> So she's not fer-rose.

23:07 <Emma_Rald> That said she does wear full plate at all times.

23:08 <Emma_Rald> So yes, that works on another level to.

23:08 <Emma_Rald> I like it.

23:08 * Emma_Rald thanks Schism for adding to the pun.

23:08 * Schism bows appreciatively.

23:09 *** Joins: Surreal_Nightmares (Surreal_Nig@Pony-qrr0nh.irvnca.sbcglobal.net)

23:09 <Cepheid> Anyways, back to game.

23:11 <Cepheid> Shinobi is... Closer to X and Zero in terms of mobility.  Can climb walls, is melee, has a ranged attack.  Feels closer to the shinobi of Kirby Superstar, in a few ways.

23:12 <Cepheid> Feels more like X with his... I forget the armor name.

23:13 * Emma_Rald desires to know what game this is.

23:13 <Cepheid> Dragon: Marked for Death, on Switch, PS4, PC, etc.

23:13 <Emma_Rald> Thank you

23:14 <Cepheid> It's from the team that did the Megaman Zero games, so the art style is similar to that, etc.

23:14 <Cepheid> It's their magnum opus, in fact.  They spent 10 years developing it, and unlike their other games, it's still being worked on.

23:15 <Cepheid> Though that's unfair to say, since they apparently keep adding DLC to their other games.  Mighty Gunvolt Burst alone is still being modified with DLC to add new characters to it.  Something like 10 characters to choose from now.

23:16 <Cepheid> Shinobi feels like Megaman X3's full armor in terms of mobility.  Wall climbing, air dash to the sides.  Has a double jump, which I don't recall X ever having at any point.

23:16 <Cepheid> Ah, he can dash at an upward angle.

23:18 <Cepheid> He can also glide, so sort of like the falcon armor of X5?

23:19 <Cepheid> As for the game, to describe it...

23:20 <Cepheid> It's a mix of Megaman and Monster Hunter-ishness mixed with RPG.  You start off with weak gear, go around doing quests to get rewards in terms of items, make/buy new gear, get more powerful, take on higher level quests, repeat until top of the food chain.

23:22 <Cepheid> Not a bad game, but definitely geared towards multiplayer.

23:22 <Cepheid> It allows up to 4 players to work together on a quest, and there are 6 classes, 4 basic, 2 special.  The basics are your typical melee DPS, tank, ranged DPS, and magic DPS/HPS.

23:23 <Cepheid> And the magic class is tricky as hell to use.

23:23 <Cepheid> You start reciting, then press buttons in a certain sequence to induce a specific effect.  You can repeat this multiple times to build up a spell's strength, then unleash it.

23:23 <Cepheid> It's... fun, in it's own way.

23:29 <Cepheid> Interestingly, she's commonly drawn eating pie.

23:29 <Cepheid> Because her primary stat is piety, which is labeled ingame in the English version(Not sure about the Japanese language) as "PIE"

23:30 <Cepheid> Interestingly, it's still labeled "PIE" in Japanese.

23:33 *** Joins: CoronaTheVampony (CovidBat@Pony-s08g6m.fl.comcast.net)

23:34 <CoronaTheVampony> Oh wow a chat.

23:34 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.

23:34 <CoronaTheVampony> And ponies are actually here in it!

23:34 <CoronaTheVampony> :D

23:35 * Cepheid raises eyebrows. Can understand this voice clip ingame and can translate it.

23:36 <LibrarianofHope> hi

23:37 <LibrarianofHope> we are getting people

23:37 <LibrarianofHope> neat

23:37 <CoronaTheVampony> *hisses*

23:37 <CoronaTheVampony> ^w^

23:38 *** Joins: Golden (uid250033@Pony-98m470.irccloud.com)

23:38 <LibrarianofHope> i got hissed that

23:38 <Cepheid> Vamp/batpony.

23:38 <LibrarianofHope> at its just 5 pm

23:39 <CoronaTheVampony> Fun fact

23:39 <CoronaTheVampony> If you take my little pajamas and stuff the arms and legs full of socks and put a pillow in the body

23:39 <CoronaTheVampony> a build a bear goes perfectly down the neckhole and its legs cling onto the pillow

23:39 <Cepheid> Interesting choice in name for a vampire pony, though.  Normally the sun kills them. :P

23:40 <CoronaTheVampony> The sun gives me a bat cough

23:40 <Golden> Blep

23:40 <LibrarianofHope> blep

23:41 <Cepheid> Hum, I'm no good with the witch.  Just not good enough with the button presses.

23:43 * Golden is gonna go practice with Hero before possibly going against two streamers on Smash

23:43 <CoronaTheVampony> Pls pour me henny

23:44 <Cepheid> Hum.  An Ancient Dragon God, defeated by a Celestial God, he decides you know, whatever, I lost, I'm gonna just retire here and be quiet.

23:45 <LibrarianofHope> as you do

23:45 <Cepheid> The only reason he rises up again is because of tyranny being enforced against a clan of followers of said Dragon God.

23:45 <Golden> Huh?

23:45 <Cepheid> Dragon: Marked For Death, a game.

23:46 <Golden> Okay.

23:46 <Cepheid> Hum.  Empress is quite literally Zero.

23:46 <Cepheid> At least, his MMZ incarnation.

23:46 <Cepheid> She can dash, has a sword, and an arm cannon.  The sword's combat abilities are similar to Zero's abilities.  Three-strike slash when standing, when dashing, only a forward slash is available.

23:47 <Cepheid> And when walking, only a forward slash is available.

23:47 * Golden flops.

23:47 <CoronaTheVampony> where can you get some bare mare hooves up on a table around these parts

23:47 <CoronaTheVampony> ???

23:48 * Schism flumps, and slams the table with a tankard of ale. "Depends on what you're lookin' for."

23:48 <Jackie> Who are these people?

23:48 <Jackie> Oh just returnees

23:48 <CoronaTheVampony> a smelly smell

23:48 <CoronaTheVampony> thats smelly

23:49 <Schism> But honestly, this ain't an RP channel.  There are some better spots therefor.

23:49 <CoronaTheVampony> :O

23:49 <Jackie> Oh wait

23:49 <Schism> Take a look at /list.

23:49 <Jackie> Emma_Rald = Dappled

23:50 <Jackie> LMAO

23:50 <Schism> No, emerald.

23:50 <Jackie> [06:41]  * Dappled is now known as Emma_Rald

23:50 <Cepheid> Man, seriously.  The Empress' three-hit-combo is practically the same as Zero's.  Side slash, overhead downward slash, then overhead slam.

23:51 <Cepheid> Oh, not quite the same.  Side-side-overhead slam.

23:51 <Schism> Oh fine.

23:51 <Schism> Also have some foxes.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyqnq27c740&feature=emb_title

23:51 <Golden> ._.

23:51 <Jackie> This IRC client's input is broken

23:53 <Jackie> Dear loe

23:53 <Jackie> *lord

23:54 <Jackie> This client is the latest version (2019)

23:54 <Cepheid> Shinobi feels more fun.

23:54 <Jackie> https://github.com/MCMrARM/revolution-irc

23:55 <Jackie> I think I'll just use Weechat on Termux

23:56 *** Quits: CoronaTheVampony (CovidBat@Pony-s08g6m.fl.comcast.net) (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)

23:56 <Cepheid> I should make my own client using GTK3.

23:56 <Cepheid> Since HexChat lacks proper GTK3 support, and thus does not scale properly.

23:57 <AppleDash> IRC clients are a susprisingly complex problem to solve in computer science :P

23:58 <Cepheid> I don't see how or why.

23:58 <Cepheid> Hell, I could probably make a client in like, 2-3 hours.

23:59 <Cepheid> I'm tempted to test myself with regards to that.

23:59 <AppleDash> The IRC specification exists; zero networks follow it :P

23:59 <AppleDash> You will read the spec, see that one numeric MUST be used in this way... and then you connect to 3 networks, they all use it in conflicting ways, and none of those ways have anything to do with what the spec described

23:59 <Cepheid> Actually, the basic protocol would have to be followed, but yes, any extensions by these networks becomes a problem.

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