00:00 <Cepheid> Which is why a client usually only supports a small subset. In any case, to implement a client, I'd have to run my own server.
00:00 <Cepheid> I don't think Canternet would appreciate repeated connections in an attempt to get the client working.
00:01 <AppleDash> I wouldn't particularly care myself :P
00:01 <AppleDash> I'm pretty sure I've written at least 2 IRC bot frameworks using Canternet as the testnet
00:01 <Jackie> Old clients have a 50/50 chance of working
00:02 <Cepheid> Heh.
00:02 <AppleDash> I would love to see what you could come up with in 2-3 hours. I'd do a challenge along side you, even, for fun
00:02 <AppleDash> It's been a long time, for me
00:02 <Cepheid> Heh. I'd just be doing a console-based C# implementation just to get the basics down. Single channel support.
00:02 <Cepheid> No special UI stuff.
00:02 <Cepheid> I'd write it so the core can be transplanted, though.
00:03 <LibrarianofHope> bare mare hooves....
00:03 <LibrarianofHope> thtas inuendo?
00:03 <AppleDash> C#? I can do C#. I even have Rider installed right now
00:03 <Cepheid> Use whatever you want, AppleDash.
00:03 <Cepheid> I'm doing C# because I like the language, despite it's history and association with Microsoft.
00:04 <Cepheid> I think the most ridiculous thing I've done with IRC, was implement an IRC server in mIRC scripting.
00:04 <Cepheid> That was back when I first started using IRC, too.
00:04 <AppleDash> I think I did that once! I also made a web server in mIRC
00:04 <AppleDash> Very basic of course, I think it only served one static page :P
00:05 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
00:05 <AppleDash> Why not make it fair, though? Would also let us compare and contrast our coding styles and see how much better you are than rusty ol' me
00:05 <Cepheid> I just wish I had the capacity to stick to one project and finish it.
00:05 <Cepheid> Mmm, I'm sure you're a good coder, rusty or not.
00:06 * Jackie wiggles and pounces at AppleDash
00:06 * AppleDash aaaas and falls over
00:06 <AppleDash> Maybe, maybe not
00:06 <Cepheid> "While the maximum length is 9 characters, clients SHOULD accept longer strings as they may become used in future evolutions of the protocol"
00:07 * Jackie nuzzles floof
00:07 <AppleDash> Heh
00:07 <AppleDash> I ran an IRC server for awhile where the maximum nick length was 2.
00:07 <AppleDash> Just to be obnoxious.
00:08 * Schism looks at AzulCrescent. "Um." She scratches at the side of her cheek. "Halo dysphoria."
00:09 <Cepheid> Lot of optional and "shoulds"
00:09 <Cepheid> That might be why the protocol varies so much.
00:09 *** Schism is now known as S
00:09 * S wavewaves.
00:09 *** S is now known as Schism
00:10 <Schism> Now I own S again, mwahaha.
00:10 <AppleDash> Indeed
00:10 <AppleDash> Let me know if/when you want to do the thing Cepheid :)
00:12 <Cepheid> I'm actually researching the protocol now to figure out what I'll need to implement, and how. The goal should be to get a client that stays connected, exists in only one channel, and can send/receive messages from said channel.
00:12 <Cepheid> Anything else should be ignored.
00:12 <AppleDash> What if we have extra time?
00:13 <Cepheid> You're free to do with it whatever you want.
00:14 <Cepheid> I'm just going with a simple goal because I have a bad habit of not completing things to completion without such goals.
00:14 <AppleDash> Seems reasonable!
00:14 <AppleDash> Well, I have pretty much all evening, so if you have such time this evening just ping me when you want to start the clock :)
00:15 <Cepheid> We can start the clock now if you want.
00:15 <Cepheid> Or, for better tracking...
00:15 <Cepheid> Start the clock at 19:30 EST, and stop at 22:30 EST.
00:15 <Cepheid> Exactly 3 hours.
00:15 <AppleDash> Sounds good to me!
00:16 <Cepheid> You're free right now to get the repository and project files started up now if desired.
00:16 <AppleDash> Will do :)
00:16 <Cepheid> I recommend having Microsoft Doc's .NET/.NET Core documentation open.
00:16 <Cepheid> Microsoft may have some bad habits, but they don't skimp on documentation.
00:17 <AppleDash> Oh yes, their documentation is often quite reasonable :P
00:18 * Golden boops the AppleDash
00:19 * AppleDash eeees
00:24 * Jackie snuggles AppleDash
00:27 <Cepheid> I feel like I made an error in judgement stating that I could do this in 3 hours, causing me to get pulled into a little challenge with someone else. :P
00:27 <Cepheid> But I'll live.
00:27 <AppleDash> :D
00:27 <Cepheid> I need to code. My meds are kicking my butt.
00:27 <AppleDash> You can indeed do it
00:27 <Cepheid> I've increased my vyvanse slightly to 40mg, which is giving me drive to code again.
00:28 <AppleDash> I've recently started adderall 10mg which is giving me drive to code (and do other stuff) again :p
00:28 <Cepheid> Heh.
00:28 <Cepheid> Let me guess, ADHD?
00:28 <AppleDash> Yeah
00:28 <Cepheid> Yeah, same here.
00:28 <Cepheid> Turns out once it's treated, OCD steps in.
00:28 <Cepheid> I've got no treatment for that, though, so I have to cope with it.
00:29 * Jackie remembers meeting AppleDash on Xena's server before
00:29 <AppleDash> Did that happen? I don't remember that happening :P
00:29 <Jackie> Yea when I used to be Cydie
00:29 <AppleDash> Cepheid: Yeah, it seems I have a level of OCD too, but I am waiting on an official diagnosis sometime this year
00:29 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
00:29 <AppleDash> That was you?????? I REMEMBER YOU
00:30 <Cepheid> I was officially diagnosed with OCD, I never got treatment for it.
00:30 <AppleDash> It appears to be 19:30
00:30 <Jackie> Yes, huge plot twist, AppleDash.
00:30 <Cepheid> Part of the reasoning being that she didn't want to use medication for it.
00:30 <Cepheid> Yep. Time to start.
00:30 <AppleDash> Jackie: It really is. I'm gonna have to look through old logs now.
00:31 <Jackie> I met you at 2014 on #techponies as wel
00:31 <Jackie> *well
00:31 <Jackie> I gave up being Cydie to be reborn as Jackie
00:32 <AppleDash> We go way back I guess :p
00:33 <LibrarianofHope> i bought a poor girl a yoghurt
00:33 <Jackie> Yea, now that I told you that, your view of me will be different now, AppleDash.
00:33 <LibrarianofHope> she asked me for a coin, bought her a yoghurt
00:33 <LibrarianofHope> didnt even think much of doing it
00:33 <AppleDash> Nope, not really
00:33 <LibrarianofHope> owo
00:33 <AppleDash> I don't remember what you were like or anything, Jackie, just that I think you were there for awhile and generally cool :P
00:33 <AppleDash> Same as now, really
00:34 <Jackie> I think Finwe remembered me as Cyde
00:34 <Jackie> *Cydie
00:36 <Schism> Cepheid: Would you be at all interested in Amiga coding? If the host allows me to invite another, anyway.
00:37 <Cepheid> I don't have an Amiga, or way to emulate one.
00:37 <Schism> It might be interesting to see.
00:38 <Jackie> I think I've met Ali as Cydie before
00:39 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> I got a space h eater for my room today
00:39 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> my room is TOASTY now
00:39 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> o wo
00:40 * Yuujin_Hiiragi pulls Jackie into the toasty room for warms
00:40 * Yuujin_Hiiragi also Schism and Ceph
00:40 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> Warms for everyone! \owo/
00:41 * Jackie licks Yuujin_Hiiragi
00:41 * Schism carefully pushes away the Lalafell!
00:42 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> I'm going back to catboy for 5.5
00:42 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> D:
00:42 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> Don't be rude to the cute potato
00:42 * Yuujin_Hiiragi poses
00:42 * Schism will always slice and dice popotoes. :<
00:42 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> I'm a catboy at heart
00:44 <Jackie> There are boomers using Discord
00:45 * Yuujin_Hiiragi licks Jackie back
00:45 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> o wo
00:45 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> mlem
00:46 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> speaking of discord, I think you have me on there Jackie
00:46 <Jackie> Yes
00:46 *** Quits: Jackie (Jackie@Pony-tfl.omc.105.130.IP) (Connection closed)
00:47 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-2AepuPTH4
00:47 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
00:47 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about THE PEAR WIGGLER
00:47 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> Bad and naughty children get put in the pear wiggler to atone for their crimes!
00:48 <Schism> @Cepheid: She's coding in C anyway.
00:48 <Cepheid> Hmm?
00:48 <Cepheid> Oh.
00:48 <Schism> Following Alynna in a project on an Amiga VM.
00:51 <AppleDash> Been awhile since I've just sat down to write code for fun, I am having fun :P
01:02 <Cepheid> Heh. :P
01:02 <Cepheid> Same.
01:02 <Cepheid> If we have to go over time, just say so. Don't worry about whether you can meet the time or not. I only said 2-3 hours because that's how long it felt like I'd need based on current experience.
01:06 <AppleDash> Sounds good!
01:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Say Something Nice About Photo Finish [ https://tinyurl.com/y35qvzb6 ]
01:12 * Schism logs into Elite: Dangerous. Sees that she has 2.28 million credits. "I should PROBABLY do something."
01:16 *** Quits: LibrarianofHope (Librarianof@Pony-rsv.m4p.207.187.IP) (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
01:24 <Schism> Next week is going to be magnificent. I'll have from the 3rd to the 12th off.
01:27 <Cepheid> Heh.
01:27 <Cepheid> My IP got banned.
01:28 <AppleDash> Let me fix that :P
01:29 <Cepheid> Heh. Don't worry about it for now.
01:29 <Cepheid> I still need to resolve a bug involving it.
01:29 <Cepheid> Honestly I should use my own server for testing.
01:30 <AppleDash> Already removed :P
01:58 <Schism> Cepheid: https://tenor.com/view/catvengers-cute-waffles-random-gif-12778916
01:58 <Cepheid> Heh.
02:03 <Cepheid> I got it connecting and responding to pings. o3o
02:04 <AppleDash> :D
02:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #2417 [ https://tinyurl.com/y53leqvw ]
02:16 <Schism> Combat training. Um... E:D combat training. "This enemy shouldn't give you too much grief, commander."
02:16 <Cepheid> So, at the least, I know I can connect to an IRC server and respond to pings in... 2 hours?
02:24 <Cepheid> Not running it on this name, Schism.
02:24 <Schism> Ah, alright.
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02:28 <AppleDash> :D
02:33 * Ali flops back in after massive shopping trip and boops Schism for alolan pizza
02:35 <Ali> So finding an asteroid belt is random huh? Also in space, did you ever find these random asteroid platforms Cepheid?
02:35 <Cepheid> Yes.
02:35 <Cepheid> Those are asteroids.
02:35 <Ali> So other than looks and sometimes have rocks on them. Are they buildable on?
02:35 <Cepheid> They have varying frequency depending on what you're searching.
02:36 <Cepheid> They are, but they require space buildings.
02:36 <Ali> So what's the space miner? I found one that had some iron on it before.
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02:47 <Cepheid> I used the large drills, but I think either work.
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02:51 <Ali> I'm also gonna make for now data cards on nauvis
02:51 <Ali> At least the first form of them
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02:52 <Cepheid> Huzzah!
02:52 <Ali> I honestly have no idea what to do for the first trip up to space. All it really does is unlock further stuff to build, and stuff that can only be built in space.
02:53 <Cepheid> More or less.
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02:59 <Ali> So part of me wonders if it would just be better to find other planets to harvest from than work in space atm?
03:04 <Cepheid> Man, this code is garbage.
03:08 <AppleDash> Oh?
03:12 * Ali flops over the AppleDash just cause
03:12 <Cepheid> When I'm rushed, I cut a lot of corners.
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03:13 <Cepheid-test> Test.
03:13 <Cepheid> Well, I got it sending PRIVMSG.
03:13 <AppleDash> hurray
03:13 <Cepheid> It's very rudimentary. Like, everything is specified at the command line.
03:13 <Cepheid> And I completely botched the main class.
03:14 <Cepheid> So yes, I can implement a rudimentary IRC client in 3 hours. If I cut a number of corners.
03:14 <Cepheid-test> Otherwise, if I were to have more time, I could probably implement something much cleaner.
03:15 <Cepheid> Gods, I have a headache now.
03:15 <Cepheid> Not from the coding mind you. Sinus infection and wearing headphones to listen to music. Bad idea, that.
03:17 <Cepheid> Honestly the hardest part was creating the threaded connection. Threads are a pain in the arse.
03:18 <Cepheid> I want to keel over and vomit.
03:21 <Cepheid> Far as I'm concerned, this meets the bare minimum requirements set, so I'm just gonna leave it at this. That's... enough coding for today.
03:21 <Cepheid> I feel like I ran a marathon because I didn't take any breaks or anything of the sort.
03:21 <Cepheid> Just straight through-and-through.
03:24 <AppleDash> Yay!
03:24 <AppleDash> Mine is successful and has a feature or two :P
03:24 <Cepheid> Heh.
03:30 <AppleDash> And time
03:30 <Cepheid> Yerp.
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03:31 <AppleDash> In the last 10 seconds or so I was attempting to write code to interpret other people sending /me (the client can already send it itself)
03:31 <AppleDash> Just tested it and, it does not work :)
03:32 <AppleDash> https://github.com/AppleDash/YAILSharp Here she is in all her glory
03:32 <Cepheid> Heh, I'll publish mine in a few minutes.
03:33 <Cepheid> Just need to get Github stuff all set up again.
03:38 <Cepheid> https://github.com/CepheidVar/GarbageIRC Behold, my garbage code. If I had more time, I'd go through the entire design process I use, and create something cleaner.
03:38 <Cepheid> Point is, I can do it in 3 hours if I really rush and cut corners.
03:38 <Cepheid> So, creating a new IRC client isn't beyond me.
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03:40 <AppleDash> Seems to be a decently similiar approach, I just took it farther :P
03:41 <Cepheid> Heh.
03:41 <Cepheid> I can do better, again, with more time.
03:41 <AppleDash> Of course
03:42 <AppleDash> Now go make an IRC client, because the world needs more of them :P
03:42 <Cepheid> Let's take a looksee at yours...
03:42 <Cepheid> Yes, yes it does.
03:42 <Cepheid> I'd like to make one that uses native widgets for each OS it supports, for better support of HiDPI.
03:42 <Cepheid> Because that's the core problem I have with Hexchat, the HiDPI stuff, and right now?
03:43 <Cepheid> Not many clients exist that support it, that are easy to use, or aren't overburdened with functionality.
03:43 <AppleDash> That sounds reasonable, yeah.
03:43 <Cepheid> I mean for heavens sake, we got programs that, advertised as IRC clients, that support all sorts of other protocols while at it.
03:43 <Cepheid> It's like... Can't you just focus on one protocol?
03:44 <Cepheid> But yeah, trickiest part is the threading stuff, and maybe splitting up messages from one another.
03:44 <Cepheid> Because when you read from a socket, you might get multiple messages crammed together due to how TCP/IP works.
03:45 <AppleDash> I've written the same code 100 times in other languages so I kind of have a decent grasp on it these days
03:45 <AppleDash> I am glad you understand that. I have seen so many IRC bots out there that just always read exactly 512 bytes and expect that to contain exactly 1 line
03:45 <Cepheid> Eeeeyeah, I've written client stuff in the past for IRC, I am familiar with the problem.
03:46 <Cepheid> So what I do is I just read in as much as possible, then split it up by looking for \r\n explicitly. I mean, I could just look for \n, but I prefer looking explicitly for both, because the spec specifies that both are used.
03:46 <Cepheid> But you did it much more cleanly.
03:46 <Cepheid> You created a class specifically for handling it.
03:47 <AppleDash> Yeah, that's the best approach I've found so far
03:49 <Cepheid> Multiple ways of doing it. I took the terrible loop approach. Yours is better. Could use some improvement though, since you're resizing the buffer when you append data, or remove a line.
03:49 <AppleDash> Yeah.
03:49 <AppleDash> I just wanted the fast and OK way rather than spend half the time on that and make it perfect :P
03:50 <Cepheid> You don't want to be creating lots of new objects, even if garbage collection is designed to handle allocation and deallocation of lots of small objects.
03:50 <Cepheid> Heh. :P
03:50 <Cepheid> Still, it'd run better than Java, at least. o3o
03:50 <AppleDash> lol
03:50 <Cepheid> One thing I like about C# and .NET Core, they run better than Java.
03:50 <Cepheid> Java's bogged down by something, not sure what, but I always find it's performance to be a little problematic.
03:50 <AppleDash> I actually have Java code that does pretty much the same thing, but for a different protocol. I've been meaning to clean it up a little bit.
03:51 <Cepheid> You're a network programmer, then.
03:51 <Cepheid> Or, focus a lot on it anyways.
03:51 <AppleDash> I would call it my strongest suit and main focus these days :P
03:51 <Cepheid> I'm more in the area of graphics and GUIs, especially the underpinnings of GUIs.
03:52 <Cepheid> I also like data manipulation. That is, reading in data, parsing it, doing stuff with it.
03:52 <Cepheid> Especially data with no specific format documents.
03:52 * Cepheid likes to guess what the bits are.
03:52 <Cepheid> Couple years back, I decoded the file format for an NDS game.
03:52 <Cepheid> Turns out I went a bit above and beyond, given that the current, pre-existing tools at the time, didn't quite handle a certain case.
03:53 <Cepheid> Which my decoding figured out.
03:54 <Cepheid> And it was a big deal, as the original problem was adding or removing files from the data archive.
03:54 <Cepheid> The existing tool couldn't do either.
03:54 <Cepheid> It could only change file contents, not remove or add files.
03:59 <Cepheid> The cores of the problem were how to associate a filename with it's file. There was a hash table, but each entry in it lead to a list of potential files associated with that hash, and there were in fact collisions, so you had to resolve them.
03:59 <Cepheid> Problem is, the list didn't store the filename, so there was no apparent way to link each file with a filename.
04:00 <Ali> Grumble, another lame moon
04:00 <Cepheid> Except, there was. It picked a unique character from the filename, with respect to that list of files, then stored the character and the index of the character within the filename. You would read the index, and the character, and check if that character in the filename matches, if it does, that's the file you want.
04:01 <AppleDash> Nice!
04:01 <Cepheid> If this sounds obtuse and obscure, it's because it was. They did it to save space.
04:02 <Cepheid> By using a single character and an integer, they didn't have to store the full filename.
04:02 <Cepheid> This of course, limited it a bit to 26 + 26 + 10 + 1 = 63 possible files per hash.
04:03 <Cepheid> At least, as far as the game's code went.
04:03 <Cepheid> Thus, a-z, A-Z, 0-9, a period, or a slash.
04:07 <Ali> Why are cats fasinated by nail clippers?
04:11 <Cepheid> No clue.
04:11 <Schism> I don't even know. Maybe it's because they're spring-loaded.
04:15 <Ali> Nail clippers aren't spring loaded.
04:17 * Schism holds one hoof over a nail clipper. Then she lets it loose, and it springs up into Ali's face.
04:19 * Schism makes sure to catch it before it hurts the Ali, though.
04:21 <Ali> This one I have has no spring on it.
04:21 <Schism> There's no spring in this one. But it will jump into your face and nom your eyes.
04:27 <Cepheid> I really should go back and finish my work on that application to extract the files properly.
04:29 <Ali> Haha, found an astroid belt
04:30 <Ali> And....this is pretty much space but with no starting stuff
04:31 <Cepheid> Yep. You'll have to explore to the east and west.
04:31 <Cepheid> They're exclusively east-west things.
04:31 * Finwe hats on Ali.
04:31 <Finwe> Good mornig, everypony.
04:32 <Ali> .....
04:32 <Finwe> Messrs AppleDash and Cepheid, Mlles Ali, Angeline, Schism and Surreal_Nightmares.
04:32 * Finwe doffs himself.
04:32 <Ali> 142M Beryl
04:32 <Cepheid> Heh.
04:33 <Cepheid> That's... yeah.
04:33 <Cepheid> Beryl has a good use, though.
04:33 <Cepheid> If combined with the parts to make a rocket part, you get 2 instead of 1.
04:34 <Ali> The thing is, if I go there instead of say the sattalite of Nauvis
04:34 <Cepheid> Hum, all those updates to DMFD have improved it quite a bit. Feels less clunky and more fun.
04:34 <Ali> I'd have problems cause I wouldn't have the space science buildings
04:34 <Cepheid> Yeah, you can't get back easily.
04:34 <Ali> Can't you just use the capsule?
04:34 <Cepheid> It won't go back to Nauvis, it follows some awkward rules for where it returns to.
04:35 <Cepheid> Let me see here...
04:35 <Ali> So first and foremost I have to go to Nauvis orbit
04:35 <Ali> Cause you have to start space science
04:37 <Cepheid> From stellar(star) orbit, it takes you back to the last moon of the first planet. From planet/moon orbits, the capsule takes you to the relevant planet/moon.
04:37 <Cepheid> From belts..
04:39 <Cepheid> It'll take you to the surface of the next planet down from the position of the asteroid belt. So if for example, Nauvis is the first planet below the asteroid belt in the universe explorer when set to hierarchical sorting(left-most column header is clicked), it'll take you to Nauvis.
04:39 <Cepheid> But if another planet sits between Nauvis and the Asteroid belt, it'll take you there instead.
04:39 <Cepheid> Asteroid FIELDS, which are distinct from belts..
04:40 <Cepheid> It takes you to the surface of the planet closest to the star.
04:40 <Schism> I'm quite certain that I'd very much like to scream at the NY Times. Nothing more, just some good ol' fashioned yelling.
04:40 <Cepheid> What happened now?
04:41 <Schism> Eh, the Opinion page made me angry. That's about it. Also, the Opinion page in question simply says "The Editorial Board", and so I feel more reasonable in screaming at the NYT in general here.
04:42 <Ali> So Cepheid looking at the interstellar map
04:42 <Ali> The asteroid belt in is the 3rd ring
04:43 <Cepheid> And Nauvis is where, with respect to it?
04:43 <Ali> 2nd teir
04:43 <Finwe> *tier
04:43 <Ali> But is shown as the fifth planet out
04:43 * Ali boops Finwe the autocorrecter
04:44 * Finwe scrunchymuzzles at Ali.
04:44 <Finwe> *scrunch*
04:44 <Cepheid> So, no good.
04:45 <Ali> Its the first planet though, the four in front of it are all moons
04:45 <Cepheid> That means it's not the first planet.
04:45 <Finwe> That's no moon…
04:45 <Cepheid> There's another planet with moons that you haven't discovered yet.
04:46 <Cepheid> Also, in the view of the solar system, Nauvis has to be below the asteroid belt in question, and be the first planet in such a position.
04:47 <Cepheid> Guh.
04:48 <Cepheid> My headache is making my upper jaw hurt.
04:49 <Ali> Nauvis is closer to the sun than the asteroid belt is
04:49 <Cepheid> Then a capsule will not take you back to Nauvis.
04:50 <Cepheid> You'll have to bring a landing pad, a cargo rocket silo, and enough parts to get back. Or, do like I do.
04:50 <Cepheid> Create a second set of gear, leave it on Nauvis, then go to the new planet, place stuff there and do what needs doing.
04:50 <Cepheid> When you're done, place your gear in a bin and suicide to get back to the homeworld.
04:50 <Cepheid> Next time you go to the belt, leave your current stuff somewhere safe, then grab the stuff you have at the belt when you arrive. Leave it close to the landing pad.
04:51 <Cepheid> You can survive about a minute without oxygen, enough to land and grab stuff.
04:52 <Ali> I need to start working on space pipe as well
04:52 <Ali> Oddly enough its best to NOT keep it as simple piping
04:52 <Ali> Cause its cheaper to upgrade to the bigger pipes
04:53 <Ali> a 15 straight space pipe only needs 8 pipes
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04:55 <Cepheid> Yep.
04:55 <Cepheid> And it's best to avoid undergrounds.
04:55 <Cepheid> Use underground belts where you need to route them around pipes instead.
04:55 <Cepheid> Do be careful though.
04:55 <Cepheid> The size 3, 5 and I think 7, have a connection at their midpoint. 9 and 15 do not.
04:56 * Cepheid powers on PC. *BEEEEEP* *BEEP BEEP BEEP*
04:56 <Cepheid> ...
04:56 <Cepheid> That's not good.
04:56 <Ali> Yeah underground space pipes are very resource ineffeicent
04:56 <Ali> And now to figure out the beep code
04:56 <Cepheid> ... Graphics card anomaly detected.
04:56 <Ali> Failed to POST properly
04:57 <Cepheid> Strangely it still booted up completely.
04:57 <Cepheid> The beep code indicates VGA not detected.
04:57 <Cepheid> And yet...
04:57 * Cepheid looks at display.
05:00 <Schism> I'm going to go mad.
05:01 <Schism> "Oh, the gays were responsible for the spread of AIDS." --my brother.
05:04 <Cepheid> Oh joy, your brother's a moron.
05:15 <Cepheid> Do I want to fight Cthulhu?
05:15 <Cepheid> Eh, why not?
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05:19 <Finwe> Hereafter shall follow the joyous migration of MacPorts.
05:20 <Cepheid> Easier than I thought it'd be... still got beat up once though.
05:20 <Cepheid> Oh look a womb level.
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05:50 * Finwe sighs.
05:50 <Cepheid> What's up?
05:51 <Finwe> Installed 15 gigabytes of updates in order to be able to install 15 gigabytes more.
05:51 <Cepheid> Oof.
05:52 <Finwe> In other news, the Linux AMD driver doesn't like the display port on my GPU card.
05:52 <Cepheid> Huh.
05:53 <Finwe> For the time being I'm going to apply the trivial solution of using a DVI cable instead.
05:53 <Cepheid> Which one, official AMD driver, or open source driver?
05:53 <Finwe> Open source.
05:54 <Cepheid> Apple hardware or..?
05:54 <Finwe> Both radeon and amdgpu fail.
05:54 <Finwe> The native dimensions of the display are 1920x1200, but xrandr only manages to produce image for 1024x768 or less.
05:55 <Cepheid> Should be able to add one to xrandr manually
05:56 <Finwe> Well, xrandr lists 1920x1080 and 1920x1200, too, but produces a black screen.
05:56 <Cepheid> Could be out of range.
05:56 <Cepheid> That is, incorrect refresh info.
05:56 <Cepheid> In any case, you have an alternative solution that works, so...
05:56 <Cepheid> Also, 16:10 aspect ratio. Blah.
05:57 <Finwe> I only have 16:10 display devices.
05:58 <Finwe> The other monitor is 22" 1680x1050 and the projector is 1920x1200.
05:58 <Cepheid> Fair enough.
05:58 <Schism> Oh gods damnit. Another one -- yesterday it was Gamestop, now it's AMC?
06:00 <Cepheid> Something funky's going on.
06:00 <Finwe> IIRC, I need to recompile Ruby soon.
06:01 <Ali> AMC? Like the movie theater?
06:01 <Schism> Yup.
06:01 <Ali> That would make no sense as thsoe have been crippled by Covid
06:02 <Schism> Ali: Yesterday, a group of random jerkfaces decided they'd plow the stocks for Gamestop, a company which has also been crippled, in part, by COVID.
06:02 <Finwe> Someone must be speculating that there is an enormous rush of customers once the epidemy is over.
06:04 <Schism> While I wish that they were being so sensible as that, I'm afraid it's not speculation per se -- rather, it's people buying and selling with the express purpose of causing chaos and confusion on the marketplace.
06:06 <Schism> While I personally approve of their goals, inasmuch as I would like Wall Street to burn to the ground, I'm not entirely at ease with how they're rolling.
06:08 <Schism> Ali, Finwe, Cepheid: I present to you the one rich person on the face of the planet who has never once seen himself in a mirror. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1354609515564560392
06:09 <Cepheid> Heh.
06:09 * Ali can't use twitter links for some reason, her client refuses to open windows for it.
06:09 <Schism> <Elon Musk> Even Discord has gone corpo …
06:10 <Finwe> Ali: I usually have to reload after pasting the URL.
06:10 <Ali> Of course it has
06:11 <Ali> I'm surprised they don't charge you to use their stupid platform by now
06:11 * Ali sets up Patreon and sees how many idiots will throw money at her. Isn't really but my god the begging for money has gotten so bad.
06:12 <Finwe> "Gif ur monies to the cute unicorn!"
06:12 <Ali> I'm not cute darn it
06:13 * Finwe snickers.
06:13 <Schism> It's not... um. He's not wrong... but...
06:13 <Ali> But I get a bit annoyed when I see people throw money at youtubers sometimes
06:13 <Schism> Hi, Elon? You've... I mean, I hate to say it, but you've kind of got this thing sticking out of your eye...
06:13 <Ali> They play a four hour game and make more money than a standard shift
06:13 <Schism> Mmngh, yeah.
06:14 <Ali> X has donated you $150
06:14 * Ali doesn't understand how someone can just throw that much money at someone like that.
06:15 * Ali shrugs and flumps over Schism and Finwe
06:16 * Schism doesn't get it either. And snugs the Ali.
06:16 <Ali> I mean hell, I just beat Megaman 9 last night with Protoman and that was awful.
06:18 <Schism> I should still find a way to get you a copy of Rockman & Bass.
06:18 <Finwe> Unzipping a file of 7.5 gigabytes takes an eternity.
06:18 <Cepheid> Try 32GB.
06:18 <Schism> Not because I'm kind and gentle, heavens no. This is me being cruel and mean to the cute unicorn.
06:18 <Schism> I mean not-cute.
06:18 <Finwe> o3o
06:20 <Schism> Ali: You know, if Capcom never releases it again, it's basically abandonware...
06:21 <Schism> Especially since we're looking at what, 15 years since it was last put out, on the GBA, and even that was a lackluster port gone wrong?
06:21 * Schism snakes around the Ali all mischeviously, and carefully doesn't suggest anything. That Would Be Wrong, after all.
06:22 * Ali noms the Schism
06:22 * Schism shrieks, and curls around Cephy's legs. :<
06:23 <Schism> It is for the best, though. Rockman & Forte was _terminally_ unfair. You'd need save states to even have a chance at beating it.
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06:24 <Schism> Of course, it would be wrong of me to purchase 20XX for A--
06:25 * Schism peers at her cart, then at Ali Ponychats. >.> "Nevermind."
06:26 <Finwe> Quoth the Schism, "Nevermore."
06:26 <Finwe> Erm, "Nevermind."
06:26 <Ali> Yep, already have it, and I don't like 20XX
06:27 <Schism> Shame you don't have Golf with your Friends already.
06:28 <Schism> What, after all, is wrong with a spot of minigolf?
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06:29 <Schism> If the Ali would like to play it, that is. It comes with a full serving of rage.
06:29 <Ali> I don't need more rage in my life
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06:31 <Schism> It's not THAT rage-inducing. Just... a little. Maybe .05 Bennett Foddys.
06:33 * Ali never got Getting Over It cause again rage game
06:34 <Schism> It's only as rage-inducing as Worms.
06:34 <Schism> And surely Worms and its ninja rope have never induced any rage.
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06:36 <Finwe> Ninja rope plus prod.
06:37 <Finwe> Or baseball bat, if the distance is too long.
06:37 <Ali> Ah good old prod kills
06:39 <PinkieShy> Don't know why..
06:39 <PinkieShy> But I strangely want breakfast to eat right now..
06:39 * Schism takes a slingshot. Adds toasted waffles. "PULL!"
06:39 <PinkieShy> Like Bacon, Hashbrowns, Eggs (Scrambled), Sausage, Grits and Pancakes :3
06:40 * Schism flings a waffle into the air, trailing syrup.
06:40 <PinkieShy> oh and Maple Syrup can't forget that its very important!
06:40 <Finwe> PinkieShy: Well, it's 8:40 a.m.
06:40 <Finwe> Breakfast tiem.
06:40 <PinkieShy> Not for me Finwe
06:40 <Schism> Why, so it is.
06:40 <PinkieShy> Its 1:40AM (EST)
06:41 <Finwe> Add an E and you get our summer time. o3o
06:41 * Schism offers Finwe some waffles, porridge, a bit of strawberry jam, some coffee, a slice or two of toast with numerable vegetables, and some scrambled eggs.
06:41 <Finwe> (That would be EEST.)
06:42 <Schism> (This breakfast does not include pickled herring. Provide your own.)
06:42 <Finwe> Only in the summer.
06:42 <Finwe> And you need potatoes with pickled herring.
06:42 <Schism> Ah, right, the winter. And this is true.
06:43 * Schism also offers Finwe a latke with sour cream and fried onion.
06:45 * Finwe unshallows his homebrew-cask repository.
06:45 <Schism> Whether or not there is pickled herring, a latke is always welcome, I find.
06:45 <Finwe> 'S raggmunk in Swedish.
06:46 <Finwe> Latke sounds like Yiddish.
06:48 <Schism> And that it is. Potato pancakes, taken in whatever language you please. Yiddish in a sense the lingua defranca here, as it were, but some loanwords have crept in. One way or another, potato pancakes are a staple food in this town.
06:48 <Ali> I thought that was fries covered in gravy
06:49 <Schism> No, that's poutine.
06:49 <Schism> Latkes are a traditional foodstuff in Jewish cuisine, especially during Lent.
06:50 <Ali> Eh, I'm not canadian, I didn't know how to spell it
06:50 <Ali> I'm more surprised its not covered in syrup or something :P
06:51 <Schism> Ali: It's rather simple to make. Shred some potatoes, add some eggs and fat (of whatever preference), spice 'em up with some salt and black pepper, form them into patties, and fry them in oil until they're nice and crisp. If this sounds a little bit familiar to you, don't worry, you're just nuts.
06:52 <Ali> me is nuts after all
06:52 * Ali forgot the /
06:53 <Finwe> /me is not nuts.
06:54 <Schism> You do want to squeeze out all the liquid from the potatoes, though.
06:55 <PinkieShy> Maybe next trip to the store i should buy some breakfast items..
06:55 <PinkieShy> And some orange juice no pulp :3
06:56 <PinkieShy> Probably skipping breakfast is very bad for my health than I am realizing.
06:57 <Finwe> My actual breakfast consisted of yoghurt, wholemeal rye bread, port salut cheese, tomato and orange juice.
06:59 <Finwe> Oh, and a vitamin D pill, and 3 IU of insulin aspart.
07:02 <PinkieShy> WAiting for my health insurance ard to come and i'll be making a virtual visit with my doctor about my anxiety soon.
07:06 <PinkieShy> I kinda still scared to go in for a visit..
07:28 <Ali> I swore something in space needed plastic and for the love of all that is holy I can't remember what it was.
07:42 <Cepheid> I have a gods-be-damned inner ear infection now.
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08:08 <Cepheid> It'll be nice to have new glasses/contacts, given how useless these ones are. I thought it was odd that I was starting to have to increase the text size just to read it clearly.
08:08 <Cepheid> I'm old, but I'm not *THAT* old.
08:11 <Cepheid> So, Youtube has closed captioning enabled for me.
08:11 <Cepheid> It captioned a video with, I quote exactly: "(dramatic music)" and "(dramatic music continues)"
08:12 <Cepheid> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm6fdTnju6g&feature=emb_title Don't believe me? Check it out.
08:14 <Cepheid> What, was today "Update all the big games" day?
08:18 <Cepheid> Either the server's just that overloaded now, or a cat's been chewing on my ethernet cable. I used to get 40-50M/sec download from the Factorio server. Now I'm getting 22 or so.
08:18 <Cepheid> Hmm. I wonder.
08:20 <Cepheid> Cats, why do you do this to me?
08:20 <Cepheid> Both going back and forth to harass/love/demand attention from me.
08:22 * Ali floats by Cepheid in space
08:22 <Cepheid> Heh.
08:22 <Cepheid> "Ali was not The Imposter"
08:23 <Cepheid> Who the hell would vote her off anyways? What kind of monster does that? Votes someone cute off?
08:23 <Cepheid> ...
08:23 <Cepheid> Okay, that's interesting.
08:23 <Cepheid> The non-steam version gets 40MB no problem.
08:23 <Cepheid> But the steam version? Nah.
08:24 <Cepheid> Must be a config file difference.
08:25 <Cepheid> ... Someone was on while I was away from Factorio today, and has been playing with my stuff.
08:25 <Cepheid> Oh, wait, that's not the stuff I built earlier. I'm in the wrong area.
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08:30 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ConfusionRift
08:30 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
08:32 <Cepheid> Hoi hoi.
08:37 <Cepheid> This is... an insanely complex system to setup, but I'm going to figure it out, I swear.
08:44 * Ali flops, needs sulfer
08:45 <Schism> So... this is going to be fun. I get to deal with my doctor on the 4th and he's great and all but then he gets to throw a bloodwork test at me and I'm going to tell him "Yeah, yeah it's going to be at the labs THERE" and I don't know if I should preset my appointment on the grounds that I know that I'm going to have it or aaaaa
08:45 <Schism> "Hey, what are your transition goals?" "I HAVE NO FREAKING IDEA."
08:49 <Ali> To have the biggest dadonkers *shot*
08:49 <Ali> Thanks keyboard for eating my b
08:50 <ConfusionRift> Just the hugest dobahonkalos. (gets shot twice)
08:51 <ConfusionRift> If you really don't know, then just let them know that you're unsure, and if you do plan on "major changes" you will contact them or another professional.
08:52 * ConfusionRift shrugs. "It's the only answer I can think of."
09:03 * ConfusionRift wonders who's the raider who installed a high powered laser rifle on a cheap trap in a stall.
09:04 * ConfusionRift throws a molotov, kills a legendary roach that was stuck inside a wall.
09:04 <Cepheid> You're wondering the wrong thing. See, the problem is that the Raiders are insane by default.
09:04 <Cepheid> Therefore, anything they do makes no sense.
09:05 <ConfusionRift> Actually, they are usually hopped up on drugs so... crazy, stupid, and delirious. :P
09:05 <ConfusionRift> And at times, angry.
09:08 <Ali> Ok, does themofluid stay at a 1:1 once in the system?
09:09 <Ali> ConfusionRift, raiders r dum
09:09 <Ali> They'll shoot a .38 pipe gun at a guy decked out in X01 power armor
09:11 <ConfusionRift> They use a .38 pipe gun they found in the trash on someone in a power armor, and later find they had a .50BMG hunting rifle in their pocket as secondary. (shrugs)
09:12 <ConfusionRift> And then this idiot of a muscle mass of a mutant runs at you with a nuke in their hands.
09:13 <ConfusionRift> And this brain dead bug snipes you through a window when you're low on health just about to use a stimpak.
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09:26 <Ali> Cepheid, is there a good way of making steam up in space?
09:26 *** Surreal_Nightmares is now known as Filly_Nightmares
09:26 * Filly_Nightmares bleps
09:26 <Cepheid> For what purpose?
09:27 <Ali> For coal liquidification
09:27 <Cepheid> Electric Boiler + Water.
09:28 <Ali> Yes I get that
09:28 <Ali> But that thing eats water like candy
09:28 <Cepheid> so you use circuitry to control how much steam you have on hand.
09:29 <Ali> I'm only feeding it to one liquifier
09:31 <Cepheid> Liquifaction process doesn't use that much. It should just back up and stop the boiler from functioning until there's more room for steam.
09:39 * Cepheid mines for silicon ore in X4. o3o Saving up towards a medium mining ship.
09:39 <Cepheid> Four more full loads and I should have enough money to fully equip a mining ship.
09:41 <Ali> Well I think this might have been a good first trip up into space
09:42 <Ali> Got a meh but working production chain for rocket science
09:42 <Ali> Think I'll go down the astrophysics line, cause spaceship
09:45 <Finwe> Because space's hip?
09:45 <Cepheid> Chances are it needs more than just astrophysics to reach, so investigate before you dedicate yourself to it.
09:45 <Cepheid> That said, the production of significant data can be used for ANY field, not just one or the other.
09:45 * Finwe noms on Filly_Nightmares.
09:45 <Cepheid> Which is nice.
09:46 <Cepheid> Because it's a bloody nightmare to make.
09:46 <Ali> Just the stupid production chain for rocket science is a pain
09:47 <Cepheid> If you think rocket science is a pain, wait until you get into one of the streams.
09:49 <Ali> The main thing I see for the ship is it needs Berylium and Irridium
09:50 <Ali> I just want to know if there's a way to get oil or something so that I don't need this god awful production chains of turning heavy oil to light, then to petrol
09:50 <Ali> I know a few things need heavy oil and the like
09:51 <Ali> But freaking hell the crackings drain water like no tomorrow
09:52 <Ali> Time to make more scaffolding~
09:57 <Cepheid> Since the amount of heavy used isn't an incredible amount, barreled heavy is sufficient.
09:59 * Cepheid buys new ship.
10:00 <Cepheid> Set me back half a million credits, but eh. Bigger cargohold, better mining capability...
10:02 <Cepheid> Next target is...
10:02 <Cepheid> 4.2 million.
10:04 * ConfusionRift finds the sinkhole... he quick saves. "I'm getting flashbacks... something bad happened here."
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10:17 <Golden> Blep
10:25 * Emma_Rald continues to be a green horse.
10:26 * Ali boops Emma_Rald the horse
10:27 * Emma_Rald hugs Ali.
10:27 * Ali lounges on Emma_Rald just cause unicorn lonely
10:28 * Emma_Rald thinks Ali is a good friend horse.
10:29 *** Emma_Rald is now known as Dappled\
10:29 *** Dappled\ is now known as Dappled
10:29 <Finwe> o3o
10:29 * Finwe hats on Dappled.
10:30 * Dappled has a good hat.
10:31 * Ali licks the Dappled nosie
10:31 * Dappled wriggles nosie.
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10:37 <Cepheid> Right, so my first full shipment got me ~150,000 credits. Triple what I was getting prior.
10:37 <Cepheid> With that, I could easily afford a small fleet of guardian ships.
10:46 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> all pones are good fren pone
10:46 * Dappled horse.
10:46 * Yuujin_Hiiragi pets dappled
10:46 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> o wo
10:46 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> good horse
10:46 * Dappled Purrs
10:54 <ConfusionRift> Looks like it's nomnom time for meeee. (walks away for a bit)
10:54 * Dappled gets into places he shouldn't.
10:58 * Yuujin_Hiiragi drags Dappled out by the tail
10:58 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> stop that
10:58 * Dappled has a mouth full of cookies.
10:58 * Yuujin_Hiiragi baps Dappled
10:59 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> bad horse
10:59 * Dappled runs away with his ill gotten gains!
11:03 * Dappled go bed horse though. Nini
11:03 *** Dappled is now known as Dappled|SLEEP
11:04 * Yuujin_Hiiragi hecks at dappled as they go to sleep
11:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #2189 [ https://tinyurl.com/yxcmtp2a ]
11:07 * Finwe noms on Yuujin_Hiiragi.
11:10 <Cepheid> Right, time to upgrade the thrusters on this thing.
11:10 * Yuujin_Hiiragi counternoms
11:11 <Cepheid> Much as I'd just LOVE to replace this with the next tier of ship, I can't. It'd take too long. So I'm gonna upgrade this ship, find a decently-skilled pilot to do some auto-mining, and let them handle another ship.
11:11 <Finwe> Time to upgrade the texlive-full on this thing.
11:16 * AppleDash yawns
11:16 <AppleDash> Time to upgrade the hat on this Finwe
11:16 * AppleDash doffs the old one and installs a new one
11:17 * Ali passes out for sleep.
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11:17 * ConfusionRift returns with potstickers.
11:27 <Cepheid> Good ole' tunneling bugs.
11:36 * Finwe noms on AppleDash's computer collection.
11:37 <Finwe> I'm updating mine to run OS X 10.14.6, but it's taking longer than I expected.
11:40 * Golden boops AppleDash , ConfusionRift, and others.
11:41 * ConfusionRift offers a few potstickers. :P
11:41 <Finwe> Compiling a new version of MPICH at the moment.
11:41 <Finwe> 'Tis going to take at least 20 minutes.
11:41 * Golden is good. He just had some sugar cookies
11:46 * Yuujin_Hiiragi has pancakes
11:46 * AppleDash falls over
11:46 * Yuujin_Hiiragi places a pancake on appledash's face
11:46 * ConfusionRift explodes.
11:46 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> o wo
11:46 <ConfusionRift> Sure seems to be an eventful day. :P
11:49 <AppleDash> owo
12:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Them's Fightin' Herds is a Finalist For Fighting Game of the Year By D.I.C.E. Awards [ https://tinyurl.com/yymdoqqk ]
12:17 <ConfusionRift> Eeerm... excuse me?
12:18 * ConfusionRift sees that post. "...what?"
12:20 <Golden> Huh
12:20 <AppleDash> ?
12:20 <ConfusionRift> I completely forgot about this game. Odd how it was Steam released last year.
12:20 <AppleDash> Do I have someone on ignore that posted something y'all're talking about
12:21 <Golden> The post from Derpybot.
12:21 <ConfusionRift> Did you mute DerpyBot? o_0
12:21 <AppleDash> Ah yes, I have had that bot on ignore for... many years.
12:21 <ConfusionRift> "New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Them's Fightin' Herds is a Finalist For Fighting Game of the Year By D.I.C.E. Awards [ https://tinyurl.com/yymdoqqk ]"
12:21 <AppleDash> Ahh
12:21 <AppleDash> I forgot about that game too :P
12:22 <Golden> Surprised Epic didn't try to buy the exclusive rights to sell the game, or buy out the dev team entirely.
12:22 * ConfusionRift points on Steam. Released April 30, 2020.
12:22 <Golden> My statement still stands
12:23 <ConfusionRift> If it got grabbed by Epic, yeah. Would have let it burn.
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12:25 <Golden> Yup. Honestly still happy Apple, and Epic came to blows over that cruddy BR game
12:25 <Finwe> Mr Golden, Miss Jackie.
12:25 * Finwe doffs his hat.
12:25 <Jackie> Hello
12:25 <ConfusionRift> Hey there.
12:26 <ConfusionRift> It reminds me. I should give That Horse Game another go.
12:26 <Jackie> Horse game?
12:26 <ConfusionRift> Yep.
12:28 <ConfusionRift> It's literally called Horse Game. Aside from them not finding a proper title for it, they also wanted to avoid C&D.
12:33 <Golden> Ah
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13:50 * Jackie nuzzles Golden
13:54 * Yuujin_Hiiragi boops Jackie's snootle
13:54 <Yuujin_Hiiragi> o wo
13:54 * Jackie squeaks
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14:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Comic: Double Page Spread / Quest for Friendship / Mutans / Lullaby 139 / Movie Slate: Video Games / Friendship 19 / AQM 64 [ https://tinyurl.com/yygz5gzq ]
14:35 <Schism> I think that if the Them's Fighting Herds team _had_ gone Epic, Lauren Faust would have burned the project to the ground, salted the earth, and pissed on it.
14:40 <RazorSharpFang> Epic?
14:41 <ConfusionRift> Epic Games. Also, Lauren is the designer, so... (shrugs) it could've happened. Good thing it didn't.
14:41 <ConfusionRift> Alas, fighting game, so pfffttttt.
14:42 * ConfusionRift feels odd going through the old pony games folder.
14:45 <ConfusionRift> Oh wow, Magic Shards. That game... it's been a long time. Now that's a nostalgia trip.
14:45 <ConfusionRift> 2012.
14:50 * ConfusionRift now feels sad.
14:54 <ConfusionRift> Sleeps for meeee.
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15:04 <RazorSharpFang> Gamestop is trading at 400 USD a share ... Before it was halted, yet again.
15:09 <Schism> You likely don't follow AMC, but it's getting the same treatment.
15:10 <RazorSharpFang> I have heard of AMC, I do not own any securities
15:12 <Schism> Here's the punchline: the corporation sold 63.3 million shares on Monday. It quintupled in price immediately afterwards, before going for the current roller coaster.
15:13 <RazorSharpFang> Huh
15:13 <RazorSharpFang> Are they selling shares onto the open market to raise capital to pay off debts?
15:14 <Schism> Yup, all class A common.
15:14 <RazorSharpFang> Good for them
15:15 <RazorSharpFang> We'll see if that's good for the investors too
15:15 <Schism> I'm going to go out on a limb here and say 'no', but only because they're a chain of movie theatres.
15:15 <RazorSharpFang> Well, maybe if the company still exists in the year 20XX
15:21 <RazorSharpFang> When all those movies are set
15:29 <Schism> Let us not forget Escape from New York, the John Carpenter film set in the far-flung future of 1997.
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15:32 <RazorSharpFang> Wow, 21997, so far.
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15:35 <LibrarianofHope> i thought you were dead, you look good
15:35 <LibrarianofHope> heck of a quote owo
15:36 <LibrarianofHope> razorrrr
15:36 <LibrarianofHope> razorrrrrr
15:36 <RazorSharpFang> No?
15:36 <LibrarianofHope> owo
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15:36 <LibrarianofHope> what do you think of trolls breaking hedge funds?
15:37 <LibrarianofHope> they opened the door to internet malice afecting economy?
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15:37 <RazorSharpFang> Fantastic. The hedge funds deserve it for taking up unlimited risk positions, doubling down on it, not setting stop loss orders, not hedging their positions, and refusing to admit wrongdoing. They are criminally negligent.
15:38 <RazorSharpFang> They have built a bridge and are mad that it's falling down on them when they were the ones who built it.
15:38 <LibrarianofHope> so this is not normal?
15:38 <LibrarianofHope> or more like
15:38 <RazorSharpFang> No. Usually it's the retail person losing everything.
15:38 <LibrarianofHope> the hedge funds are not the norm?
15:39 <RazorSharpFang> The behaviour of the hedge funds is just like the 2008 crisis. I maintain that it was a mistake to bail out the banks the way they were bailed out.
15:39 <RazorSharpFang> I've never seen such corporate entitlement to bailouts for their own mistakes and greed.
15:39 <LibrarianofHope> ohh
15:39 <RazorSharpFang> The public should not be paying for their greed and mistakes.
15:40 <LibrarianofHope> but can trolls actually do damage? or the gamestop thing is a fluke?
15:40 <RazorSharpFang> They chose to take up unlimited risk positions. They chose to not hedge. They chose this.
15:40 <RazorSharpFang> Power to the people. The people have spoken and they do have power.
15:40 <LibrarianofHope> i need to research this more, its very intersting
15:40 <RazorSharpFang> The people have beaten these funds at their own game and it is glorious
15:41 <LibrarianofHope> did gamestop gain much from this?
15:41 <RazorSharpFang> They may gain a lot, if they choose to do so.
15:41 <LibrarianofHope> troll bailout
15:44 <RazorSharpFang> It is just random people on reddit.
15:44 <RazorSharpFang> They found a stock that was overly shorted, and then they did something incredible.
15:44 <RazorSharpFang> They bought shares, and didn't sell them.
15:45 <RazorSharpFang> This was a never seen before strategy that completely decimated the hedge funds. They had no idea that this insane move existed.
15:48 <LibrarianofHope> yeah im getting that now
15:48 <LibrarianofHope> so, reddit is holding to the shares for the fun of it
15:49 <LibrarianofHope> fun being hurting the hedge funds
15:49 <RazorSharpFang> When you're short stock, and you want to close, you MUST buy. No matter what the current price is.
15:49 <LibrarianofHope> but they cannot be forced to sell
15:49 <RazorSharpFang> Right.
15:49 <LibrarianofHope> so if they dont sell, what happnes?
15:49 <RazorSharpFang> Price goes up.
15:50 <LibrarianofHope> and there is no cap?
15:50 <RazorSharpFang> Nope.
15:50 <RazorSharpFang> No cap.
15:50 <RazorSharpFang> That is why short-stock is unlimited (infinite) risk
15:50 <LibrarianofHope> so in theory they have an ever increasing stock?
15:51 <RazorSharpFang> Theory, yeah, but some people will sell.
15:51 <RazorSharpFang> They are not a hivemind.
15:51 <RazorSharpFang> There is no collusive agreement. Just a bunch of silly peoples.
15:51 <LibrarianofHope> but it costed 2 billion
15:52 <LibrarianofHope> neat
15:52 <LibrarianofHope> the hedge funds are obligated to buy the stuff?
15:52 <RazorSharpFang> If they want to close.
15:52 <RazorSharpFang> If they're not closing, then not yet.
15:52 <LibrarianofHope> which means?
15:52 <RazorSharpFang> But they will need to eventually.
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15:52 <RazorSharpFang> And they're paying interest while they're open.
15:52 <RazorSharpFang> Tick tock tick tock
15:53 <LibrarianofHope> and they cannot close unless they get everything back?
15:53 <RazorSharpFang> They will have to buy as many shares as they sold to open. They borrowed those shares after all.
15:54 <LibrarianofHope> you knoe the interest rate?
15:54 <LibrarianofHope> and how often do they have to pay?
15:54 <RazorSharpFang> Depends on the security and broker as it happens
15:55 <RazorSharpFang> Somewhere between 15% to [Overflow]% per annum.
15:57 <LibrarianofHope> can they kill the hedge funds?
15:57 <RazorSharpFang> Quite possibly.
15:57 <RazorSharpFang> Because these hedge funds chose these unlimited risk positions and did not do their due diligence.
15:58 <LibrarianofHope> so its more of vengeance/rebellion than trolling?
15:58 <RazorSharpFang> It's a mixed bag. One for the money, two for the show, three for the blood in the water.
15:58 <LibrarianofHope> this is amazing!
15:59 <LibrarianofHope> you cant make this stuff up owo
15:59 <RazorSharpFang> My position in gamestop is a mere 4 shares.
15:59 <RazorSharpFang> I bought them for $120 USD.
15:59 <RazorSharpFang> Big plays.
16:00 <LibrarianofHope> so you could sell for a thousand bucks?
16:00 <RazorSharpFang> I could.
16:00 <LibrarianofHope> you waiting?
16:01 <RazorSharpFang> I am never selling.
16:01 <LibrarianofHope> ohh
16:04 <LibrarianofHope> please tell me how that goes along
16:04 <RazorSharpFang> Right now, the brokerages are actually preventing people from buying shares.
16:04 <RazorSharpFang> I could not buy more gamestop even if I wanted to.
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19:29 <Cepheid> In a fit of inexplicable ridiculousness, despite committing and pushing, my changes to my code from the other day are gone. And due to some stuff I did last night, I no longer have those changes.
19:29 <Cepheid> So I lost a day's worth of effort.
19:30 <NitroTheFurry> For the irc client?
19:30 <Cepheid> No.
19:30 <Cepheid> A game I'm working on.
19:30 <NitroTheFurry> Ooh, what game
19:30 <NitroTheFurry> Is it playable
19:31 <Cepheid> At this point I'm debating just switching to C/C++ with OpenGL, it's still early in the development cycle, so I'd lose maybe a few days of effort.
19:31 <Cepheid> And no, not at all playable. I'm still working on much of the details.
19:32 <Cepheid> Alternatively, I switch to C# and SDL#, because monogame is being a right pain in the arse.
19:50 * Schism wakes up, from her nap, drains a Caesar. "Hoo." She garnished it with pickled asparagus this time, because pickled asparagus, that's why.
19:59 <Cepheid> Heh.
19:59 <Cepheid> I'd love to use this SDL2 library I found, but it lacks documentation on HOW TO USE IT.
19:59 <Cepheid> Well SDL2#
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20:01 <Cepheid> ...
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20:01 <Cepheid> <Professor> "Back before the pandemic, I liked to take the students to the server room, let them touch it." <Students> "... Touch it?"
20:01 * Finwe sets his GPU kernel driver to be amdgpu rather than radeon.
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20:07 <Cepheid> Oh.
20:07 <Cepheid> That's why.
20:07 <Cepheid> It's for C/C++.
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20:19 * Finwe noms on FreeBSD running on his Mac Pro.
20:25 <Cepheid> There. Got a C# library for SDL2. Now I just need OpenGL bindings.
20:26 <Cepheid> ...
20:26 <Cepheid> My cat was deep asleep, and I went to pet him. I spooked the hell out of him.
20:26 <Cepheid> I feel bad now.
20:29 <Cepheid> Oh, nice. OpenTK 4.0 is out. I'd best use that if I want direct OpenGL access instead.
20:29 <Schism> "If I were a hedge fund facing insolvency, I would simply eat less avocado toast."
20:31 <LibrarianofHope> i found kingdom death minis
20:31 <LibrarianofHope> owo
20:31 <LibrarianofHope> its like a anime bloodborne lookign thing
20:39 <Schism> Pfffff. https://twitter.com/AyvieArt/status/1346866185502154753
20:41 <Cepheid> Yep.
20:41 <Cepheid> Though I don't mind it.
20:41 <Cepheid> Too much.
20:42 <Cepheid> Oh, while OpenTK is mostly OpenGL, it includes convenience stuff, such as a Shader class for loading shaders.
20:44 <Cepheid> ... Or not.
20:44 <Cepheid> It's part of a tutorial class.
20:44 <Schism> Interesting... Today, RobinHood started selling shares in GME automatically on behalf of their customers.
20:46 <Schism> If this _isn't_ a securities and trade violation, I would be shocked.
20:47 <Cepheid> Heh.
20:47 <LibrarianofHope> this whole gme thing is amazing
20:47 * Cepheid sets a repeating phone timer for every 2 hours.
20:49 <Cepheid> Plan to use this to remind me to do another 20 cards of review of the Anki deck for Genki I vocabulary.
20:49 <Cepheid> Until I get caught up to lesson 10.
20:57 <Schism> "I'm die, thank you forever."
21:01 <LibrarianofHope> yubi yubi
21:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Futuristic Pony Music: Ebunix & Single Purpose - Till Tomorrow [Synthwave] [ https://tinyurl.com/y3b5q3f5 ]
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21:12 <Schism> Oh, there's a sequel to Celeste. The PICO-8 game, that is.
21:13 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
21:14 * Cepheid does the insane and tries running Factorio on a VM just to see if it's possible.
21:15 <Cepheid> Nope.
21:17 <Cepheid> At least, not under VirtualBox.
21:28 <Schism> Ahahahaha. Leon Cooperman, billionaire hedge-fund manager, is Very Upset about how the whole GSE/AMC/KOSS thing is "A way of attacking wealthy people."
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21:34 <Cepheid> ...
21:35 <Cepheid> Really? OpenGL didn't complain about *THAT*?
21:35 <Cepheid> I accidentally had the code backwards for the vertex and fragment shaders. I was loading the fragment shader as a vertex shader, and vice versa.
21:35 <Cepheid> And instead of complaining about that, it complained about something else instead.
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21:39 * Dappled|SLEEP recieves records stating that he was in fact born.
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21:39 * Ali flops over the Dappled
21:39 * Dappled hugs the Ali.
21:39 * Dappled can get a photo id again. Wheee
21:40 <LibrarianofHope> owo
21:40 * LibrarianofHope glomps ali, for stonks
21:41 * Ali gives Dappled a car, then makes it snow. Bets they could drive better than 85% of the people out there that have been doing it for years
21:41 <Ali> Cause freaking hell, why are people such bad drivers in snow, when you live in an area that gets it all the time in winter?
21:42 * Dappled lives in Oklahoma. We haven't even figured out regularlly salting roads yet.
21:42 <LibrarianofHope> mexico city had snow at some point
21:43 <LibrarianofHope> like 50 years ago
21:46 <Schism> "If I catch anyone driving in Toronto at 5 kph, I'm going to drag you from your car and beat you to death with a sack full of oranges." --Scott Ramsoomair
21:47 * Ali flops over the Schism, unicorn doesn't want to factorio anymore right now as its starting to shift into an idle game and unicorn isn't fond of that.
21:49 <Finwe> Mlles Ali and Schism, Messrs Dappled and LibrarianofHope.
21:49 * Finwe doffs his hat.
21:49 * Finwe also boops Ali with a free Ultimate Epic Battle Simulator: https://store.steampowered.com/app/616560/Ultimate_Epic_Battle_Simulator/
21:50 * Dappled waits for Legendary Ultimate Epic Battle Simulator.
21:50 <Finwe> Can a billion ravenous chickens decimate the legions of Rome?
21:50 <LibrarianofHope> yes
21:51 <LibrarianofHope> im fascinared by the gamestop thing owo
21:51 <LibrarianofHope> the part i dont gwt is, whats the limit it can rise?
21:51 * Finwe naturally boops everypony else as well with the free sandbox game.
21:52 <Schism> Functionally speaking, there is no limitation to how far a stock can rise, which is why those who were shorting it are _really_ angry that all those commoners stole their money.
21:52 <Dappled> You could always play Open World Game the Open World Game.
21:52 <LibrarianofHope> i get the theory, but in practice?
21:53 <Finwe> Shorting in bull market is bad business.
21:53 <LibrarianofHope> as its not ilegal, and you cant force anyone to sell
21:53 <Schism> In practice I wouldn't imagine it would get much higher than it is now, as the trading companies _have_ now started engaging in illegal and predatory business practices. Which, I mean, is de rigeur for trading companies, but you know... not quite so openly.
21:56 * Dappled goes after cookies.
21:57 * Schism splorfs. "LibrarianOfHope: https://twitter.com/selkie_crossing/status/1354889517099003905 "
22:06 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Fanfiction Updates - January 28th [ https://tinyurl.com/y2cbbh96 ]
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22:22 <Finwe> Ah, it's 29th of January. Party time!
22:22 * Finwe shovels confetti onto Jackie and Schism.
22:23 <Jackie> Huh?
22:23 <Finwe> It's exactly one year since the first COVID case was diagnosed in Finland.
22:24 <Finwe> A Chinese tourist in Lapland. Since then, it has been as fun as stabbing yourself in thigh with a rusty knife.
22:25 <Ali> more like constant pin pricks with a rusty thumbtack
22:25 <Ali> Or constantly stepping on legos while barefoot
22:25 * Dappled eats cookies instead of thinking about this.
22:26 * Ali replaced the cookies with oatmeal raisin
22:26 * Finwe replaces the raisins with bilberries.
22:27 * Dappled becomes confused!
22:27 * Jackie eats Dappled's cookies
22:30 * Schism makes cranberry oatmeal cookies.
22:30 <Schism> Cranberry vanilla oatmeal cookies, even.
22:30 <Dappled> But Chocolate Peanut Butter No Bakes.
22:30 <Schism> Also a fine choice.
22:31 * Schism might alternately make cranberry lemon squares.
22:32 <Schism> Hmmmm. Before the short squeeze, the open short interest was -146%?
22:33 * Dappled chews on lemon squares before the cranberries get to them.
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22:37 <DerpyBot> *derp*
22:38 <Jackie_> At least somebody here cares about my presence.
22:38 * Dappled chews on Jackie_'s _
22:38 * Schism provides the Jackie with some tea to nom while drinking those cookies.
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22:39 <Jackie> It's weird that you can randomly get titanus
22:39 <Jackie> Like you hear your ear ringing for a brief moment
22:39 <Schism> Tetanus--oh, tinnitus.
22:40 <Schism> Or tinnitis.
22:40 <Schism> Yeah, especially after blowing your nose.
22:40 <Jackie> I just got it after waking up
22:40 <Schism> I get that sometimes.
22:40 <Jackie> Idk why it only happens on my right ear
22:41 <Finwe> Tinnitus.
22:43 <Schism> The USCPSC has some fun with their media account. https://twitter.com/USCPSC/status/1354498747326214146
22:52 <Cepheid> Yeah, that's tinnitus. The cause, supposedly, from what I recall reading, is the little hairs inside the cochlea dying off. It triggers the connected nerve to go crazy.
22:52 <Cepheid> It's typically caused by aging, listening to loud noises, or loud music.
22:52 <Cepheid> I think it's also caused by just sensory overload in general.
22:53 <Cepheid> Hence, flashbangs.
22:53 <Cepheid> Sensory overload of the eyes, and the ears.
22:53 <Cepheid> It doesn't kill off the relevant hairs/nerves, but it does cause them to go crazy, creating loud ringing.
22:53 <Finwe> You can end your winter by igniting a fire with your space heater while sleeping, I think.
22:54 <Finwe> Which is mutually exclusive with survival, though, so there's no free lunch here, either.
22:55 <Schism> Well, as the old saying goes, set a man a fire and he's warm for a day; set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
22:55 <Finwe> Indeed.
22:55 <Finwe> Immortalised by Terry Pratchett, no less.
22:56 <Schism> Quite! Not sure if he came up with it first, but it's a turn of phrase entirely appropriate to him.
22:56 <Finwe> Ah, there is a "Permille Club" now.
22:58 <Schism> "For another fun game, strip off everything, weapons especially, and go to Rock Milk Cave. Equip yourself from the first corpse you find, and trade up as you go. The place is like Tesco, but with more dead people." --Terry Pratchett plays Oblivion
22:58 <Finwe> Presided by San Marino, the secretary's post goes to Belgium and treasurer's to Slovenia, with the faithful members being Italy, Bosnia, Czechia, UK, Liechtenstein, North Macedonia, Gibraltar, Bulgaria, USA, Peru, Montenegro, Andorra, Hungary, Spain, Croatia, Panama, Mexico, Sweden, France, Argentina and Armenia.
22:59 <Cepheid> Heh, a classmate of mine told us a story.
22:59 <Finwe> All these have lost at least 1‰ of their population to COVID.
22:59 <Cepheid> His aunt hit the emergency stop button on a shinkansen train, thinking it was a request-stop button.
23:00 <Schism> Oof. Those should be more clearly marked. XD
23:00 <Finwe> It is, in a sense.
23:00 <Cepheid> The shinkansen is the BULLET TRAIN, for the record.
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23:00 <Finwe> Request immediate stop.
23:00 <Cepheid> These things are always on time.
23:00 <Cepheid> Yeah, but she thought it was "request stop at next station"
23:00 <Cepheid> Like the button/pull cord on a bus.
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23:01 <Finwe> Shouldn't trains stop automatically wherever they are to stop?
23:01 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: 3D Pony Art Gallery #85 [ https://tinyurl.com/y39jqh4m ]
23:01 <Finwe> Even trams do that here.
23:07 <Schism> The LRT does that here, though the busses will occasionally skip over a stop even after I pull the cord because the driver's not paying attention. Thankfully, the stops are close enough together that it's no hardship for me, but I can imagine many elderly patrons being severely disadvantaged thereby.
23:09 <Finwe> Cepheid: In Finland you would get prosecuted for disturbing railway traffic in a case like that.
23:09 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
23:10 <Finwe> In Japan, I don't know, probably also get prosecuted, fined and feel bad about the engine driver who committed suicide because the train was late.
23:10 <Finwe> They're ferociously proud of being exactly on time.
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23:16 <Schism> One would get fined here for that, too. Not a huge fine, TTBOMK, but enough.
23:19 <Finwe> Fine or imprisonment for at most six month, says our penal code.
23:23 <Schism> Kraft is now selling a pink variant on their flagship macaroni and cheese. That's it, the world's done, I'm going to leap off the edge of the Disc.
23:24 <Finwe> I guess you could colour it with beetroot juice or something similar.
23:25 <Schism> Yeah, and use white cheese powder instead of the orange variety. Not exactly hard. After all, we do get rainbow rotini now and then, and while the spinach content of the durum pasta ranges from 'you can taste it if you really try' to 'oh, that's just for the colour', it's a thing.
23:26 <Finwe> The orange cheese, in turn, is usually coloured with carrots.
23:26 <Finwe> At least orange cheddar.
23:26 <Schism> Annatto and paprika, actually.
23:26 <Finwe> Oh.
23:26 <Finwe> o3o
23:27 <Schism> Used to be made from milk from cows which ate a lot of carrots, though!
23:27 <Schism> And saffron used to be a colouring agent -- though obviously that became unsustainable.
23:28 <Finwe> Oh, good old Saffy.
23:29 <Schism> Though beforehand carrots were indeed used as a dying agent. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/11/07/243733126/how-17th-century-fraud-gave-rise-to-bright-orange-cheese
23:29 <Finwe> Ah, the spice, not the girl in Absolutely Fabulous.
23:31 <Schism> Cephy: This thread may interest you, once tay get it going. https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1354934355462909962
23:31 <Cepheid> For some odd reason, my brain got some wires crossed. It thought that cheese started off orange for some reason, and was whitened somehow. Rather than the other way around, which makes more sense.
23:31 <Cepheid> Heh.
23:32 <Schism> Well, cheddar cheese, from of course the town of Cheddar, was orange originally because the grasses the cows ate were high in beta-carotine.
23:32 <Schism> But it is true, most cheese are white by default. o3o
23:32 <Cepheid> ...
23:32 <Cepheid> People don't understand the concept of reporting bugs.
23:32 <Cepheid> I reported a bug to the X4 devs.
23:32 * Schism headtilts.
23:32 <Cepheid> Other people responded "Yeah, that's been around since 1.0, to fix it, just do X."
23:33 <Cepheid> Maybe if people harassed them about it enough it MIGHT GET FIXED.
23:33 <Schism> If a bug has to be worked around, that's still a bug.
23:33 <Cepheid> In this case, it's a collision bug caused by tunneling.
23:33 <Finwe> I tried to report a bug to Steam once.
23:33 <Cepheid> If you hit a station fast enough, you can get stuck inside of the geometry.
23:33 <Schism> https://xkcd.com/1172/
23:33 <Cepheid> Don't ask how I know this.
23:33 <Schism> I think we can puzzle the hows and whys out.
23:33 <Cepheid> Or why I'm slamming into stations at 3,500m/s.
23:33 <Finwe> With rather poor results.
23:33 <Cepheid> Turns out there's no collision damage.
23:34 <Cepheid> So, you can slam into stations and just bounce off.
23:34 <Cepheid> UNLESS you are going way too fast.
23:34 <Schism> That's what happens when you try and make a slingshot maneuver and the space station doesn't get out of the way.
23:34 <Cepheid> In which case you might tunnel inside of the station.
23:34 <Cepheid> And get stuck, because collisions go both ways with respect to geometry.
23:34 <Cepheid> You hit the edge from the inside, it's counted as a hit.
23:34 <Cepheid> And you bounce.
23:34 <Finwe> "It was something Granny Weatherwax called 'jommetry'."
23:34 <Schism> Of course, as when you push against the wall, the wall pushes back against you.
23:34 <Cepheid> There *IS* a way out via abuse of AI, but that's about it.
23:35 <Cepheid> AI try to avoid hitting the stations and such, but the AI isn't perfect.
23:35 <Schism> I take it the same shields which protect against microcollisions are equally valid against macrocollisions.
23:35 <Cepheid> So to get around the occasional "unable to resolve this pathing issue" they just let the AI fly through solid things here and there.
23:35 * Schism may also have rammed a space station or two on autopilot somehow in Elite: Dangerous.
23:35 <Cepheid> Unfortunately, this rule does not apply to the autopilot.
23:36 <Cepheid> Which can, and will slam you into stations and, by lore, this is NORMAL BEHAVIOR.
23:36 <Cepheid> During the tutorial, the trainer refers to the autopilot as "a bit flakey"
23:37 <Schism> M....aybe the AIs are really tired of being told what to do all the time?
23:37 <Cepheid> Who knows?
23:37 <Schism> Something something Rampancy </Marathon>?
23:37 <Cepheid> In any case, the only real problems I've encountered thus far with 3.30 and above are the above collision bug, and the autopilot sometimes just randomly shutting off.
23:37 <Cepheid> Though I suspect the latter case may be due to some condition occurring that I'm not aware of.
23:38 <Cepheid> Because it happens primarily when I'm NOT PAYING ATTENTION.
23:38 <Schism> Ah, the joys of autopilot failure. Like going into supercruise mode, then suddenly there's a planet in the way of the space station and it can't autocompensate.
23:38 <Cepheid> Now they just need to optimize the hell out of the game further. Though, I'm not sure just how optimized it actually is.
23:39 <Cepheid> Given that it may already be optimized as hell, given loading different sectors is instantaneous, and the whole game is basically held in RAM while running.
23:39 <Schism> Based on the amount of everything it requires, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that either it's really optimized, or really not.
23:40 <Cepheid> It's running a largish "galaxy" simulation in real-time, which requires having most, if not everything, loaded into RAM.
23:40 <Cepheid> Which means yeah, it takes up a large amount of RAM.
23:41 <Cepheid> So the RAM requirements aren't an exaggeration or indication of bad optimization.
23:41 <Cepheid> Interestingly, I'm running into a bottleneck in the graphics, not the logic.
23:41 <Cepheid> I think, anyways. Let's see.
23:44 <Cepheid> Yeah.
23:44 <Cepheid> It's GPU-bound.
23:44 <Cepheid> 12GB of RAM used. Hot dang.
23:45 <Schism> Sounds about right.
23:50 <Cepheid> Debugging a game like this must be a pain, though.
23:50 <Cepheid> It's like Factorio, you have to make sure everything is synchronized, lockstep. You *CAN'T* thread the logic unless you want a nightmare.
23:52 <Cepheid> I'd comment on map performance, but if I recall correctly, Elite Dangerous wasn't much better in that regard.
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