00:02 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Radio Plays: Wasteland Survival Guide: "Hunter-Gathering" / Life's a Breeze Episode 3 Precious Moments [ https://tinyurl.com/y2l2lxmx ]
00:07 * Cepheid hums. Now has a Frost Charm V, a Wyrmbane Charm IV, and a Shock Charm V.
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02:02 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #2430 [ https://tinyurl.com/y5kfkn98 ]
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02:13 <PinkieShy> Finally found me a pair of shoes..
02:13 <PinkieShy> Was on sale as well.. Normally about $54 but was only $40
02:13 <PinkieShy> Sketchers with memory foam :D
02:13 <PinkieShy> *Skechers
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03:03 <Cepheid> Gah, I feel like I'm burning.
03:11 <PinkieShy> I don't really want to buy shoes at walmart much anymore..
03:11 <PinkieShy> I mean they are ok but messes up and needs replacing sooner usually from what i have seen.
03:12 <PinkieShy> Corners are cut majorly.
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03:17 <ADragonDreaming> Shoes are something to spend for quality on, yeah.
03:17 <ADragonDreaming> If you can afford to do so.
03:17 <PinkieShy> mhmm :P
03:18 <PinkieShy> The shoe store even had budget friendly ones.
03:18 <PinkieShy> Which was around $32 regular price.
03:18 <Cyan_Spark> horseshoes
03:18 <Cyan_Spark> and horsesocks
03:21 <Ali> Mine are fairly expensive, but have the anti roll bar on them.
03:24 <Lumindia> Ponysocks, you say?
03:36 <PinkieShy> The most expensive i had was Nike shoes at $74 from the store that had them on sale.
03:37 <PinkieShy> Still have them some where.. The shoe cloth looks nice just the rubber on bottom is worn and falling off..
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04:15 * Ali also lays on Cyan_Spark
04:15 <Cyan_Spark> Ali-corn
04:15 * Cyan_Spark hugs Ali
04:16 * Ali purrs at hugs, unicorn is cold so needs warms.
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05:08 * Ali mews softly and leans into the Cyan_Spark rubs
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07:10 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
07:13 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift, Capt Koopz.
07:13 <Finwe> o7
07:14 <Finwe> Mlles Ali, Filly_Nightmares and Schism; Messrs PinkieShy, Cyan_Spark and Cepheid.
07:14 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
07:14 * Finwe doffs his hat.
07:14 * Ali snugs into ConfusionRift and Finwe
07:15 * ConfusionRift huggles Ali.
07:15 * Finwe hugs an Ali.
07:20 * Ali leans into all the hugs.
07:25 <Koopz> RAdm. Finwe o7
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08:26 <ConfusionRift> "Now, we're gonna do Mega Man 1 again!" | Ooooh woooow, like they haven't done a thousand runs this fa- | "With 1 HP!" | ...huh?
08:27 <Ali> Basically instant death syndrome
08:27 <Ali> But most runners can do 1 without getting hit ever.
08:27 * Ali flops over ConfusionRift again
08:34 <ConfusionRift> Guh, the clone and the bubble bot.
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08:38 <Golden> Completed two islands in Shantae Pirates Curse. Got Risky's sword too.
08:40 <ConfusionRift> Time to pogo stuff. :P
08:40 <Golden> Time to get DuckTales
08:41 <ConfusionRift> Woo-hooh!
08:42 <Ali> ConfusionRift, I struggle so hard on the Clone
08:42 <Ali> That and the boss rush
08:42 <Golden> Also turns out two of my alternate art cards for Digimon are 44$, and 89.66$ respectively
08:42 <Ali> Not bad
08:42 <Ali> I kinda want to buy Magic cards since a new set is out, but having nobody to play really sours that.
08:44 <ConfusionRift> Haven't really played much of the original Mega Man series. I know I'm probably gonna get stuck there.
08:44 <Ali> The biggest problem you'll have is two things
08:44 <Ali> You MUST get the magnet beam
08:44 <Golden> Speaking of Magic I found a Godzilla Magic card
08:44 <Ali> And Fire Man is a jerk
08:44 <Ali> Yeah Golden, in Ikoria, they had alt art cards that were Godzilla.
08:45 <ConfusionRift> Fire Man needs to chiiiiiilllllllllsorryyyyy, wasn't intended.
08:45 <Ali> Well his AI spams his fire storm
08:45 <Ali> And since it also leaves fire on the ground
08:45 <Golden> I got the shin Godzilla one
08:45 <Ali> It makes it REALLY hard to not get damaged
08:45 <Ali> Golden, I got the super foily red PW from that set
08:46 <Ali> But I think he's not worth a darn
08:46 <Ali> As my luck usually
08:46 <Golden> Well he can work if you're a red deck user.
08:47 <Ali> Yeah but the problem is Ikoria is flirting with rotation
08:48 <Golden> Oh.
08:48 <Ali> I mean, its not till the middle of the year, but still
08:48 <Ali> Not a good investment
08:48 <Ali> I don't dare touch modern cause if I think standard is a money sink, then Modern is a pit.
08:50 <Golden> I don't play Magic, but rotation like MTG's makes it really hard to even get into. Like the moment you finally pick out a good deck to build, and get it built the new set is in, and the deck that was just made can't keep up.
08:52 <Ali> They do that also to keep the standard format from being deck A always wins for two years
08:52 <Ali> Its not fun when 99% of the format is a mirror match
08:53 <Golden> I honestly find Yugioh easier to pick up, build, and play both comp/casual.
08:53 <Ali> See with Magic Vs Yugioh
08:53 <Ali> In magic you can get a few turns in before you're flat out dead.
08:55 <Golden> Heck I even built a Yugioh deck for competitive, was preparing for my first locals, and then the whole pandemic hit
08:55 <Golden> Odd the message had an issue sending.
08:55 <Ali> I only did a little Yugioh, back when it first started.
08:57 * Ali still has a Rigeki
08:57 <Ali> I'm sure its worthless
08:57 <Golden> Eh depends.
08:57 <Golden> Raigeki is good for clearing fields.
08:58 <Ali> Its more than good, it completely wrecks fields
08:58 <Ali> And it only hits your oppenent's monsters right? Unlike Dark Hole which wipes the board
08:58 <Golden> Though if the opponent has a way to stop spells from being activated unless you have a spell caster then you are basically locked out of 1/3rd of your deck.
09:00 <Golden> See: Secret Village of the Spell Casters. I use that field spell with my Fortune Ladies deck, and my friends literally struggle to scratch my life points
09:01 <Ali> I'm sure there's effect monsters that can ruin that
09:01 <Ali> Or just get like 3 uber monsters out on turn 2 and kill you.
09:02 <ConfusionRift> Be back, restart.
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09:02 <Golden> Fortune Ladies revolve around being special summoned to trigger their effects.
09:04 <Golden> I literally won a duel by banishing a 3000 atk monster, and dealing the atk as direct damage. I used Fortune Lady Calling (since I had Fortune Lady Past on the field), and Special Summoned Fortune Lady Fire.
09:05 <Golden> Legit it was a heart of the cards moment for my swords of revealing light just ran out, and my opponent had another monster of 3000+ atk that wasn't affected by effects as well as the one I banished.
09:07 * Ali nods, knows very little about Yugioh now
09:08 <Golden> Hehe sorry. Got carried away remembering that moment.
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09:10 <ConfusionRift> Yes! Was able to pair the PS4 controller to the dongle. Now... to test it.
09:12 <ConfusionRift> Okay... how are inputs through a cheap Bluetooth dongle 1:1, and the ones on the PS4 are delayed?
09:14 <ConfusionRift> Not just that. But also remapped through software. (scratches his head) Whatever, this is nice.
09:18 <Ali> The only card games I played was Pokemon and Magic
09:19 <Ali> And Pokemon has heavily gone the way of Yugioh and you seem to just explode die in like three turns now.
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09:47 * Finwe noms on Ali.
09:47 <Finwe> Lunchtiem? :3
09:47 * Ali hides her tail
09:49 * Finwe wasn't after Ali's tail this time.
10:00 * Finwe noms on Golden's tail instead.
10:00 <Golden> Hehe
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10:35 * Dapper_Dappled awakens once more.
10:37 <Dapper_Dappled> Well returns home from work.
10:37 * Dapper_Dappled hugs friend ponies.
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11:02 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #2202 [ https://tinyurl.com/y6xj3h3k ]
11:04 * Dapper_Dappled hugs the Lumindia. Hello
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11:04 <Lumindia> Friendpony! :D
11:04 * Lumindia pet
11:05 * Dappled purrs.
11:06 <Dappled> This will be my new normal time. Having to put up with such long shifts is putting me to being active after the shift so I'm not bone tired after a really long one. So bed time is going from what used to be ideally 4 am so I could get up about noon is now 7-8 am so I can get up with at least an hour
11:06 <Dappled> before work.
11:06 * Filly_Nightmares mew at Dappled for warms!
11:07 * Dappled gives the Filly_Nightmares blankets.
11:07 * Filly_Nightmares shivers under blankie!
11:07 <Dappled> It's cold enough that there is talk about no work tomorrow for me, depending on weather so I get to find out that after I wake up.
11:09 * Lumindia gives both dappled and surry hot cocoa
11:09 <Lumindia> be warm!
11:16 * ConfusionRift flopples.
11:44 <Cyan_Spark> Hiya Finwe
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12:28 * Finwe hats on Cyan_Spark.
12:29 * Cyan_Spark pats Finwe
12:29 * Filly_Nightmares lickies Lumindia and cocoa!
12:30 <Lumindia> o wo
12:45 * Finwe ruffles Lumindia and Filly_Nightmares.
12:47 <Lumindia> ♥
13:01 <Cyan_Spark> uwu
13:11 <Cepheid> awa, ewe, iwi, uwu, owo, and sometimes ywy.
13:13 <Cepheid> Or, in Japanese order... awa, iwi, uwu, ewe, owo.
13:26 * Filly_Nightmares purrs and uses Finwe as a bed and Lumindia as a blankie and Cyan_Spark as a plushie and goes sleepies on!
13:26 * Filly_Nightmares purrs
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13:55 <Schism> OwO;
13:58 <Cepheid> I want to examine the various effects an artist uses for depth purposes, and then find a way to implement them as separate shaders, which are then applied to scenery, using dithering to blend the two effects at separating points, thus creating a smooth transition from one effect to another.
14:01 <Cepheid> I still can't get over the "Quest Complete" theme from Tri being a part of Alatreon's theme. That's a bit of cruelty.
14:01 <Cepheid> Especially with his World incarnation.
14:05 * Schism streeeeetch.
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14:24 <RazorSharpFang> Hey heys
14:25 <Schism> Ahoy.
14:26 <Cepheid> You know, normally I'd question lyrics in MH songs, but it occurs to me.
14:26 <Cepheid> The official language of the people of the Monster Hunter world is a syllable salad, basically. I'm not sure if Capcom has an official document for the language, but it's likely the lyrics are in their conlang.
14:27 <ADragonDreaming> Darmok and Jalad at Tinagra.
14:27 <Cepheid> Heh. The official OST has Safi'jiiva's theme do the sudden whoosh to silence at one point.
14:27 <Cepheid> As a transition to the next phase of the song.
14:27 <Cepheid> Honestly, I don't know why, but I love that particular effect.
14:28 <Cepheid> Music is just going, and suddenly... dead silence.
14:28 <Schism> Shaka, when the walls fell.
14:28 <Cepheid> That said, the effect can mess with my ears a bit.
14:28 <Cepheid> If I'm wearing headphones, and playing music somewhat loud...
14:28 <Schism> Cepheid: That feeling that the silence itself is a song, heh.
14:29 <Cepheid> The sudden stop can induce what feels like a sudden pressure change.
14:29 <Cepheid> My ears literally struggle to cope with the sudden change.
14:29 <Cepheid> Schism: Another song that does it is Saint Million's theme from PSO Blue Burst.
14:29 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGGi-RrO-C0
14:29 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
14:29 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Phantasy Star Online: Blue Burst Soundtrack - Saint-Milion Battle
14:30 <Cepheid> Alas, I never got to fight Saint-Million.
14:30 <Cepheid> I need to start playing PSO2.
14:31 <Cepheid> That all said, I do wonder if Capcom has an official documentation for their conlang. There must be some sort of consistency to it.
14:32 <Cepheid> Apparently there *IS* a design around the language.
14:33 <Cepheid> It's apparently a mix of different languages, spoken in a style not unlike Japanese.
14:36 <Schism> I'm pretty sure outside of some terminology, it's comparatively gibberish... but it might well have some structure, and there are some terms which match up on a regular basis.
14:37 <Schism> Also, no matter what language you speak, Nibelsnarf is a silly name.
14:39 <Cepheid> Anyways, I'm off to do social time with my mother, so I'll be back in a few hours.
14:39 <Schism> Enjoy!
14:39 * Schism awrs. She forgot she had a cup of coffee on the counter, and it got cold.
14:47 * RazorSharpFang looks at GME. I think the party's over.
14:49 <Schism> Well, it couldn't last forever.
14:50 <Schism> A part of me hopes that they've learned nothing so that another hedge fund can get thrown into the dirt.
14:51 <RazorSharpFang> Potentially - I think some hedge funds will want to short GME hoping to capitalise on WSB exiting, which could fuel yet another run.
14:52 <Schism> o/` It's the ciiiircle of liiiife~
14:54 <ADragonDreaming> I'm hoping for various wealth taxes to pass. Like the one in Washington. Which apparently 97% of all revenue from that would come from 4 people.
14:54 <RazorSharpFang> I don't expect wealth taxes to pass. I am a cynical negative Nancy.
14:55 <ADragonDreaming> Expectations and hope are not the same thing.
14:55 <RazorSharpFang> Apparently Nancy Pelosi bought a million dollars worth of Tesla calls
14:55 <ADragonDreaming> I'm not a fan of Pelosi in general.
14:55 <Schism> What, you want the government to have enough funds to actually work on infrastructure and social support networks, thus fulfilling the primary stated goal of the government to ensure the health and happiness of its citizens? Why, that's communism.
14:55 <RazorSharpFang> I am wondering if she indeed has fans.
14:56 <RazorSharpFang> Schism, tbh I would just settle for less of the corruption.
14:56 <Schism> Heh, yeah...
14:56 <ADragonDreaming> I wouldn't settle.
14:56 <Schism> Not quite as many fans as AOC, for obvious reasons, but she does have some.
14:56 <ADragonDreaming> I'd accept and applaud, and then ask for more.
14:56 <Schism> Mmm.
14:57 <Schism> Solving a problem one bite at a time implies that you don't stop after the first bite.
14:57 <ADragonDreaming> Yes.
14:57 <ADragonDreaming> You can temporarily settle, though.
14:57 <ADragonDreaming> So long as it's temporary.
14:57 <RazorSharpFang> I mean like "Okay, let's take a first bite" Them: "No. " Me: "Plz? :( "
14:57 <Schism> Oh sure. Take a moment to bask in the glow, and when that fades, remember how good that glow felt, and do it again.
14:58 <Schism> (Yes, I am suggesting that people get addicted to doing good things.)
14:58 <RazorSharpFang> Right now in Australia Crown Casino's under investigation for money laundering in organised crime.
14:58 <ADragonDreaming> Them: "No." Me: "So you have chosen death."
14:58 <Schism> A casino being invested for money laundering? What is this world coming to.
14:58 <RazorSharpFang> I wish they had chosen death - but they keep getting elected! D:
14:59 <ADragonDreaming> The death may be a bit more metaphysical. Depending.
14:59 <Schism> "What if I don't want to choose?" "Then you have chosen death, ha-HA!" "Then I'd like some cake instead." "Oh, all right, then."
14:59 <ADragonDreaming> Not choosing is also a choice.
14:59 <Schism> Yup.
15:00 <Schism> RSF: It's funny, in the US, the term RICO gets thrown around a lot, and thrown out almost as often.
15:00 <ADragonDreaming> Because it's never actually RICO/
15:00 <RazorSharpFang> I still think it's ultra sus for a politician to be buying financial instruments like calls - which increase in value if the company is doing well - when in a position to benefit that company massively.
15:01 <Schism> Adra: Yup.
15:01 <ADragonDreaming> RICO gets thrown at the wall to see if it sticks, but the actual existence of a legitimate RICO case is incredibly rare.
15:01 <RazorSharpFang> What is RICO?
15:01 <Schism> Racketeering and mobs.
15:02 <ADragonDreaming> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act
15:02 <RazorSharpFang> I don't know what Racketeering refers to
15:02 <Schism> Running a criminal 'racket', or enterprise.
15:02 <ADragonDreaming> The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act is a United States federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization.
15:02 <RazorSharpFang> Like a form of organised crime
15:02 <ADragonDreaming> Yes, specifically organized crime.
15:02 <Schism> It's an old term, no longer very much in use.
15:03 <ADragonDreaming> A law designed to allow for going after mob bosses, even if they never actually did the actions, just ordered them, and such.
15:03 <RazorSharpFang> Which explains my unfamiliarity
15:03 <Schism> Like, any organization can be a racket, but a criminal racket is like a mob or the like.
15:03 <ADragonDreaming> The thing is, people will claim RICO for normal business practices, like Google's search algorithm sorting.
15:03 <ADragonDreaming> So it's constantly claimed in bad faith.
15:03 <RazorSharpFang> We mostly have drug dealers and whatnot here. The drugs are 99% imported and not grown here.
15:04 <RazorSharpFang> State policed seized 25KG of meth-something and 1.5 million dollars in cash just the other day - all in a single truck.
15:04 <ADragonDreaming> it apparently is very occasionally actually RICO.
15:05 <ADragonDreaming> 2015: Fourteen defendants affiliated with FIFA were indicted under the RICO act on 47 counts for "racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering conspiracies, among other offenses, in connection with the defendants' participation in a 24-year scheme to enrich themselves through the corruption of
15:05 <RazorSharpFang> I don't like the idea of companies eating fines as just the cost of doing business.
15:05 <Schism> Adra: Oh, there still are RICO cases. And it wouldn't surprise me if there were some RICO charges to be made against the dynasty of a certain orange man.
15:05 <RazorSharpFang> That would require him to be organised.
15:06 <ADragonDreaming> Nah, incompetence is not a valid defense.
15:06 <ADragonDreaming> international soccer."
15:06 <Schism> Oh, I never said him, just his family, *cough* friends, et cetera.
15:06 <RazorSharpFang> That is not how I expected that quote to end
15:07 <Schism> Well, the sport is so entrenched throughout so much of the world that I have little doubt there's a lot of money to be made, far more than anything like baseball or gridiron.
15:07 <ADragonDreaming> Any road. Companies eating fines as the cost of doing business is a problem, yeah. I think penalties need to be based on the actual profit gained from the penalized actions.
15:07 <Schism> Based on, and inflated tenfold.
15:07 <ADragonDreaming> No no, not tenfold.
15:08 <Schism> Okay, maybe that is a bit much. But certainly magnified by some order.
15:08 <ADragonDreaming> The full amount of the revenue from the action, plus costs incurred by the state during the process, and whatever it costs to fix the problems caused.
15:09 <ADragonDreaming> And executives that ordered it get jail time.
15:10 <Schism> I'm torn. While I understand that providing the government with incentive to prosecute can be and has been shown to be a slippery slope, these are the sorts of people who create such extensive issues for society that it's difficult, if not impossible, to enumerate the full costs.
15:11 <ADragonDreaming> Which is why you set up external review of reported litigation/enforcement costs
15:11 * Schism nods.
15:12 <RazorSharpFang> That does require competency in enforcement though.
15:12 <ADragonDreaming> Yes, but that's an issue no matter what you do.
15:12 * RazorSharpFang can dream
15:12 <ADragonDreaming> "It's hard and needs competent people" is not a good reason not to try.
15:13 <RazorSharpFang> No, I'm explaining my cynicism.
15:13 <ADragonDreaming> The issue I have with cynicism is that it tends to lead to apathy.
15:13 <RazorSharpFang> I'll vote for people who say they'll do that despite the cynicism.
15:13 <Schism> Perhaps subsidize the costs of training for enforcement, accounting and litigation for folks who otherwise wouldn't be able to practice law.
15:14 <ADragonDreaming> As part of the process, you need to make sure that the fines gathered from the illegal enterprise are not routed to the people enforcing the laws.
15:14 <ADragonDreaming> (aside from those used to defray the cost of enforcement)
15:14 <ADragonDreaming> Remove the profit incentive by ensuring that the funds go to things like fixing the problems caused, and building up services for the public.
15:15 <ADragonDreaming> After, you know, restitution to the people defrauded.
15:15 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, I hear in places like South Africa, you have problems with law enforcement "Fining" you and pocketing the money.
15:16 <Schism> South Africa, nothing. You should look into civil asset forfeiture.
15:16 <Schism> That's basically the same thing codified into a rule of policing.
15:16 <ADragonDreaming> Yes.
15:17 <ADragonDreaming> It's nonsense.
15:17 <RazorSharpFang> How do you charge objects with crime?
15:17 <ADragonDreaming> Taht's the question, innit?
15:17 <Schism> Accessories before the fact, of course.
15:19 <Schism> "The assets that are forfeited for criminal and civil offenses are used "to put more cops on the street," according to former United States President George H. W. Bush.[26] The assets are dispersed among the law enforcement community for things such as paying the attorneys involved in the forfeiture case, police vehicles, meth-lab clean up, and other equipment and furniture."
15:20 <RazorSharpFang> Boo
15:20 <ADragonDreaming> I believe it had good intentions at start: things bought with criminal money can be used for the public good. A major problem is that the proceeds go to the people doing the seizing.
15:20 <RazorSharpFang> Is civil asset forfeiture legislation part of federal law or is it state (and thus varies by state) ?
15:21 * Schism nods, "Which becomes an incentive to seize assets which are not associated with, or only tangentially associated with, the crime in question. Such as a car for a minor possession offense."
15:21 <ADragonDreaming> And that there's no conviction requirement ... which I believe was originally conceived as a way to harm the coffers of the criminal kingpins who were unlikely to get a conviction stuck.
15:21 <RazorSharpFang> I think a lot of these problems might be better if the people writing the legislation had at least SOME understanding of game theory.
15:21 <ADragonDreaming> Of course, the easy seizing, and the profit incentive, therefore leads to cops sniffing around for cash they can take.
15:22 <Schism> Civil asset forfeiture is specifically in regards to civil crimes, as opposed to criminal, and therefore falls under the purview of local authority.
15:22 <ADragonDreaming> And not actually caring about drugs.
15:22 <ADragonDreaming> CAF laws are largely in violation of the 4th amendment
15:22 <ADragonDreaming> so there's grounds for a Federal kibosh on it.
15:22 <Schism> That's the one against 'unreasonable search and seizure', for RSF's benefit.
15:23 <ADragonDreaming> To make them compliant, you add in a conviction requirement.
15:23 <RazorSharpFang> No conviction? No seizing.
15:23 <Schism> As well as a lot of accounting and a requirement that the police keep very careful tabs on what was seized until the case is complete.
15:24 <ADragonDreaming> And, of course, requiring that proceeds from forfeiture go to not-the-police.
15:24 <RazorSharpFang> I have heard that a few states are in omg-levels of debt right now.
15:25 <Schism> Mmhm. The kicker is that those are, in many cases, the states which crow about having low tax levels.
15:26 <ADragonDreaming> I wonder why they're in debt.
15:26 <RazorSharpFang> I didn't realise New York State was a low-tax state.
15:26 <RazorSharpFang> Is New Je... I don't know how to spell new jearsey (???)
15:26 <ADragonDreaming> Jersey.
15:26 <Schism> I didn't say all of them. I suspect that New York's permissive when it comes to corporate taxation, though. (Jersey, BTW.)
15:27 <RazorSharpFang> Some of these states' spellings give me serious grief...
15:27 <ADragonDreaming> Blame the English for Jersey.
15:27 <Schism> What, you have difficulty spelling Mississippi? (That one always threw me for a loop.)
15:27 <ADragonDreaming> A lot of those are from Native American languages.
15:28 <ADragonDreaming> Michigan, Wisconsin, Montana, Mississippi, Missouri...
15:29 <Schism> And same for many of the provinces up here, like Ontario and Manitoba.
15:29 <Finwe> ADragonDreaming: But that's a name of Scandinavian origin.
15:29 <Schism> rAdm. Finwe.
15:29 <Finwe> "Ey" means island.
15:29 * Schism doffs her meat pie.
15:29 * Finwe doffs his hat.
15:31 <RazorSharpFang> I do hear that rent is really bad in NYC
15:32 <Schism> The execrable state of real estate in New York City is one of its well known features on the economic side of things, yes.
15:33 <ADragonDreaming> Finwe: but New Jersey was so named by the Duke of York.
15:33 <RazorSharpFang> York does sound English...
15:33 <ADragonDreaming> Done so to honor Carteret, who had been the Governor of Jersey, which is one of the British Isles.
15:34 <ADragonDreaming> So you can blame the Scandinavians for the origin of the word Jersey, but the English are responsible for New Jersey.
15:34 <ADragonDreaming> So we are both correct.
15:35 <Schism> Geirr's Island, posits Wikipedia. Or possibly a corruption of Jarl's Island. o3o
15:36 <Schism> Which is therefore fun, because etymology goes right out the window when you consider that New Jersey isn't an island at all.
15:36 <ADragonDreaming> Except that the etymology of New Jersey is that it was named after an island.
15:36 <ADragonDreaming> So it avoids defenestration.
15:37 <Schism> Pah. "New Island-named-after-something" still doesn't avoid it.
15:37 <Schism> RSF: Now is the winter of our discontent made glorious summer by the sun of York.
15:38 <RazorSharpFang> ?
15:38 * Schism noms upon a chocolate peppermint.
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15:38 <Schism> Shakespeare, Richard III.
15:39 <LibrarianofHope> Alis, Poor Yorick, i knew him Schism
15:39 <RazorSharpFang> I think I've read only part of one of Shakespeare's works.
15:39 <Schism> It's fun to read through them and play 'spot the pun'.
15:40 <Schism> Also endlessly geeky, but that's what we are.
15:41 <ADragonDreaming> I instantly thought sun -> son
15:42 <Schism> Indeed, and such is the double meaning.
15:43 <Schism> The phrase "Now is the winter of our discontent" is often quoted, but makes no sense without the second half.
15:44 <Finwe> RazorSharpFang: York is a Scandinavian name as well.
15:44 <Finwe> It was the seat of Danish rulers of England known as Jorvik.
15:44 <RazorSharpFang> Everything is complicated.
15:45 <Schism> Now here's a fun little point. Why would the court jester of a Danish prince have been named York? o3o Well, Yorick.
15:45 <Finwe> The streets in York still have Danish names, being named "gate" rather than "steet".
15:46 <LibrarianofHope> i havent dabbled much in english history
15:46 <LibrarianofHope> i should, im bored anyway could be a fun thing to audiobook
15:46 <Finwe> Like Davygate, Colliergate, High Ousegate, Spurriergate and so on.
15:48 <Finwe> Merchantgate, Fossgate, Walmgate, Castlegate.
15:58 <LibrarianofHope> gamergate
15:58 <LibrarianofHope> whatever you add gate now feels off
15:59 * Schism chuckles at the soliloquy, especially the line, 'He capers nimbly in a lady's chamber -- to the lascivious pleasing of a lute.' "Ah, that bitter jealousy, a diet of endive, choked down in the shadow of a philanderer."
16:01 <ADragonDreaming> Blame Watergate, LibrarianofHope
16:02 <LibrarianofHope> yeah
16:02 <LibrarianofHope> the fact richard nixon looks like a gentleman right now is amusing to me as a history buff
16:03 <LibrarianofHope> in a "actual history can be so dumb" feeling
16:03 <Schism> By sheerest coincidence, the term 'Watergate' turned out to be well named at least, as the whole thing was shut tight, but then opened by someone inside.
16:05 <RazorSharpFang> Good night.
16:05 <Schism> Sleep well.
16:05 <RazorSharpFang> Time for sleep!
16:05 * RazorSharpFang dreams of good governments
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16:45 <LibrarianofHope> my family is sleeping a lot today
16:45 <LibrarianofHope> which is nice
16:46 <LibrarianofHope> this also means im nostly in charge at the moment
16:46 <LibrarianofHope> owo
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18:27 <Cepheid> ADra, tonight, I would like to take at least one other shot at Alatreon. I blame listening to his theme inspiring me.
18:39 <ADragonDreaming> Oh right, that's why I wanted to raise Wildspire level. To try and get tempered black blos.
18:40 <Cepheid> Ah.
18:40 <Cepheid> For what gear?
18:43 <ADragonDreaming> Slot upgrade augment.
18:44 <Cepheid> Ah, right.
18:44 * LibrarianofHope bonks adra for great justice
18:54 <Schism> blurg.
18:54 * Schism flops in from Shoppers. THIS time she got her insulin.
18:55 <Schism> Bunch of back-and-forth nonsense. Now they're at the more readily accessible store.
18:57 <Schism> I'm still musing over something from yesterday. Doc told me, "We're going to start you on the smaller doses," and I'm like, "Well. Yes, I should think so. This is going to futz with my endocrine system, and we want to determine the effects and if there are any contraindicative factors before proceeding upwards, if necessary."
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19:03 <Cepheid> That, and usually you build up slowly.
19:04 <Schism> Mmhm. Diabetes is a different sort of situation, but I'm like, "I'm not going to bite your head off for wanting me to take medication gradually, especially as this has an emotional effect as well as a general systemic one."
19:07 <Cepheid> Oh, diabetes medication, yeah usually that's a different beast.
19:12 <Schism> And of course, even diabetic medication varies from person to person, even amongst type 1s.
19:12 <Schism> You establish a baseline, you determine if there are going to be any issues with the medication, you provide some medication, and after a certain time-frame, you view the results and reassess. Not exactly rocket surgery, this.
19:13 <Schism> And a lower dosage of medication allows for a more fine and accurate assessment.
19:14 <Cepheid> That might explain why my current medication is so danged effective for me, compared to my dad.
19:14 <Cepheid> That, and the weight loss as of recent likely helped there.
19:15 <Schism> It does. Everyone has a very different reaction to certain medication, based on a whole variety of factors, including weight and activity. I'm not a doctor, but even I know that the human body is _really weird,_ and no two people behave in the same way.
19:15 <Cepheid> Hum, Capcom's been collecting stats for Rise demo players.
19:15 <Cepheid> The average time spent killing the Great Izuchi is 11 minutes, 16 seconds.
19:15 <Cepheid> Meanwhile, Mizu tends to fall on average 21 minutes, 57 seconds.
19:16 <Cepheid> Me and ADra likely would bust either within less time.
19:17 <Schism> Still waiting for USPS to drop that freaking package off.
19:17 <Cepheid> Hum, ADragonDreaming. I'm concerned about one thing with Rise. If I go back to SA because I'm a sucker for punishment, then I'm going to create more trouble than resolve with my launching you into the air.
19:17 <Cepheid> As mounting no longer happens from aerial strikes.
19:17 <Cepheid> See also: Any other weapon with potential to launch.
19:18 * Schism uses dual knives. They have a potential to lunch.
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19:32 * LibrarianofHope uses dual ali
19:33 * LibrarianofHope bonks schism with dual ali
19:33 * Ali whines as she's not a weapon.
19:33 <LibrarianofHope> well, unicorn horn is pointy
19:34 <Finwe> Miss Ali, Mr LibrarianofHope.
19:34 * Finwe doffs his hat.
19:35 * Schism is bonked with a unicorn. Doesn't know what to do about this fact.
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19:42 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/i8zCsrV.jpeg This strikes me as something Schism would do.
19:42 <Cepheid> Though the cat-raising is more me.
19:42 <Cepheid> Er, cat summoning*
19:43 <Finwe> Lt Pony|40187.
19:43 <Finwe> o7
19:44 * Pony|40187 wavewave.
19:44 <Finwe> Schism: Unicorn horn does 1d10 damage, so you should take cover.
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19:45 <Finwe> Sorry, 1d12, actually.
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19:47 <Finwe> But unicorn horn, and hence also Ali, is a two-handed weapon, so dual-wielding is out of question.
19:48 * Ali sits on Finwe
19:48 <LibrarianofHope> i have chaos blessing, i do weird stuff
19:48 * LibrarianofHope dual doffs finwer
19:48 * Finwe is sat upon.
19:50 <Finwe> You can also use a unicorn horn to cure several ailments and to identify potions.
19:50 <Cepheid> I have no idea what I'd do, and what special effects I have.
19:50 <Cepheid> I imagine it'd involve fire and rage.
19:51 <LibrarianofHope> and unicorn horns cure hangovers
19:52 <Cepheid> Thought that was Kelbi horns?
19:52 * Ali will keep her distance from people wanting her horn..
19:54 * Finwe throws a blessed ruby to Ali.
19:56 <Schism> You can #apply a unicorn horn to cure most ailments, but...
19:57 <Cepheid> ADragonDreaming: Alternatively, we wait until the weekend to do Alatreon, because I believe this Friday, we switch back to Safi'jiiva. Which would let us make more customized weapons for the battle.
19:57 <Finwe> A cursed horn will cause said ailments instead.
19:57 <Schism> Of course, a unicorn horn won't fix blindness from a cream pie.
19:58 <Finwe> No, that's cured by wiping your face clean.
19:58 <Finwe> #wipe
19:58 <Schism> That's when you apply a blessed towel.
19:58 <Cepheid> We need to get you up to speed soon, Schism. We have... mmm... A month and a half or so, before Rise arrives? We need to get you to at least Safi'jiiva.
19:59 <Schism> I'll see how time provides...
19:59 <Schism> USPS has been quite reticent about providing me with any information on the status of the shipment.
20:00 <Cepheid> Mmm.
20:00 <Cepheid> Well, you're free to call on me for assistance.
20:00 * Finwe promotes Schism to Postmaster-Lieutenant.
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20:02 * Schism thinks she would much prefer to be Witchfinder Sergeant, but as a woman, she is unable to fulfill the position.
20:03 * LibrarianofHope gives schism promotion to smiling priestess at large
20:03 <LibrarianofHope> privileges:you can bonk people
20:17 * Starlight_Glimmer confiscates Ali
20:17 * Ali squeaks
20:20 <LibrarianofHope> nuuu
20:20 <LibrarianofHope> lemme test the benefits of Ali
20:20 <LibrarianofHope> think of the possibilities
20:21 <LibrarianofHope> we can make the world cute
20:24 <Ali> With an uncute unicorn? I don't think so
20:24 <Ali> Also Dot tried that, it didn't go well
20:24 <Starlight_Glimmer> Dot?
20:25 <Ali> Animaniacs
20:30 <LibrarianofHope> fingerprints
20:30 <LibrarianofHope> owo
20:32 * LibrarianofHope boops Ali
20:37 <ADragonDreaming> Schism: Feb 8, 2021, departed Chicago International Distribution center, en route to next transit facility.
20:38 <Schism> Mine shows Feb 9th...
20:38 <Cepheid> Hum. I can get my new glasses tomorrow.
20:56 <Cepheid> Covid swab all done.
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21:08 * Finwe hugs the Ali.
21:09 * Ali leans into the Finwe hard
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21:20 * Ali grumbles as its taking way too long to get rid of this dinky 60k uranium patch that is in the way.
21:24 * Finwe suspect that Ali is playing Factorio.
21:24 <Finwe> *suspects
21:25 <Ali> No I'm playing Terraria :P
21:25 * Ali boops the Finwe and bleps
21:25 * Finwe scrunchymuzzles at Ali.
21:25 <Finwe> *scrunch*
21:26 <Finwe> Well, Steam at least claims that Ali is playing Factorio. o3o
21:27 * Angeline headpats Ali.
21:27 <Ali> No kidding :P
21:27 * Ali snugs the Angeline filly
21:27 * Dappled flop horse
21:27 * Ali also snugs the Dappled horse
21:27 <Finwe> Ali: What do you do 66% of your Factorio games?
21:27 <Ali> Idle T.T
21:27 * Dappled snugs
21:28 <Ali> I don't play with bugs on cause they're too stressful for me in a single player mindset
21:28 * Finwe noms on Ali's completion percentage of 34.
21:29 <Ali> God Tia, please when kneading, don't dig those claws in so hard X.x
21:29 <Finwe> Cats!
21:29 <Ali> Also Dappled I made a world in Terraria that makes me sad
21:30 <Ali> Immediate east of spawn, Crimson
21:30 <Ali> Go right a bit to a desert, immediately follwed up by the jungle.
21:30 * Dappled chews on Crimson.
21:30 <Ali> Also no overworld caves between those two points
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21:32 * Cepheid moves to murder a Jyuratodus from HR.
21:37 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/3qRaWRE.png Gotta love screenshots coming out weird 'cause HDR.
21:37 <Cepheid> Anyhoo, I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm sharpening *SOMETHING* I know that much.
21:38 * Cepheid later checks foot. It's honed to a sharp edge.
21:40 <Ali> I need to check my math but
21:40 <Ali> Going from 10/m Pollution to 24.64/m with two speed 2's...I don't think that's a 12% increase
21:42 <Finwe> That's a 146.4% increase.
21:43 <Ali> So something isn't right with this mod
21:43 <Cepheid> Nope. It's right.
21:43 <Cepheid> You're not factoring in pollution from increased electricity usage.
21:43 <Ali> How is it right?
21:44 <Cepheid> Pollution generated is both a flat amount, and an amount based on electricity usage.
21:44 <Cepheid> Don't ask me why.
21:44 <Cepheid> Ask the Factorio devs. They set it up that way.
21:44 <Dappled> Why?
21:45 <Cepheid> Because I actually don't know, that's why I said not to ask me why.
21:45 <Dappled> But how could I resist?
21:45 <Cepheid> Shut up and go play your pokemans.
21:51 <Cepheid> Guiding Lands. On the field?
21:51 <Cepheid> Silver 'Los, Seething Bazelgeuse, Rajang. All tempered.
21:52 * Ali lays on the Angeline and Dappled
21:52 * Angeline hugs a Dappled!
21:53 * Dappled hugs.
21:53 * Dappled stares at his phone, waiting to see if he has work or not.
21:54 <Ali> Cause of weather or covid?
21:54 <Dappled> Weather.
21:54 <Dappled> If trucks can't move, we don't go in.
21:54 * Cepheid shoves the roads for the trucks.
21:54 <Ali> Does make a warehouse useless
21:55 * Dappled bites the shovel.
21:55 <Ali> Then again, OK doesn't really have snow removal services
21:56 * Cepheid uses a whetstone on the shovel.
21:58 * Dappled had 94 hours on his last paycheck. He would like a day off.
22:00 * Angeline pushes Dappled into a faraday cage.
22:00 <Cepheid> ... How... is that even legal?
22:00 <Dappled> Right to work laws.
22:01 <Cepheid> ...
22:01 <Dappled> Aka Right to be fired whenever we displease management.
22:01 <Cepheid> Here in Canada, your company would be fined heavily.
22:01 <Angeline> Cepheid, when I worked at Wal-Mart, there were multiple associates who would work ten twelve hour shifts in a fourteen day period
22:01 <Angeline> Then have two days off
22:01 <ADragonDreaming> technically speaking, it's "At-will employment" rather than "Right-to-work"
22:02 <Ali> Then right back to 14 days
22:02 <Angeline> And because of the way Wal-Mart schedules?
22:02 <Ali> I had a time where I had only one day off in like 20 days
22:02 <Angeline> You might have three 9AM to 9PMs, then two 12AM to 12PMs, then a 1PM to 1AM.
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22:02 <Ali> But cause of how it fell on the schedule, it didn't look like a problem to the higher ups
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22:03 <Dappled> We don't have the workers to do support the stores we distribute too in 8 hours and rather than tell our customers to wait and lower the workload on the warehouse, we're expected to work till the job is finished.
22:03 <Angeline> My personal favorite is when our salaried manager scheduled my shift lead
22:03 <Angeline> To a 10PM to 10 AM shift on Tuesday, then a 10 AM to 10 PM shift on Wednesday.
22:03 <Cepheid> Employers don't like me.
22:04 <Cepheid> I know my rights as an employee, and have invoked them.
22:04 <Cepheid> Much to their chagrin.
22:04 <Angeline> I plan to here at Kroger.
22:04 * Dappled has no rights unless he can afford a lawyer. Which he cannot.
22:04 <Angeline> So far the only day I've called off was when I had a hideous cold a few weeks ago
22:04 <ADragonDreaming> "Right-to-Work" means that union membership cannot be a condition of employment. i.e. the employee has the option to refuse union membership and refuse to pay union dues. This often leads to at-will employment situations, where anyone can be fired for any non-illegal reason, because employees aren't
22:04 <Schism> Kroger's... oh dear heavens, Angeline. You poor sod.
22:04 <Angeline> Schism, it's not so bad :)
22:04 <Angeline> I'm in the fuel kiosk outside.
22:05 <Schism> That smile makes me wilt.
22:05 <Angeline> It's a sarcastic smile.
22:05 * Schism wilts even further.
22:05 <Ali> The fuel station...I don't think I'd want that at all
22:05 <Angeline> But hey, I'm getting a $100 paycheck bonus tomorrow
22:05 * Ali hugs Angeline tightly
22:05 <Dappled> "Can be fired for any non-illegal reason" = can be fired for any illegal reason if the person fired can prove they were fired illegally in court. Which in my tax bracket, you can not.
22:05 <Angeline> And when the vaccine's up for us? I get another $100 if I take it
22:06 <ADragonDreaming> Dappled: yep.
22:06 <ADragonDreaming> shielded by a union contract.
22:06 <Cepheid> I only know my rights partly because I inexplicably become an impromptu union rep of sorts. People like to ***** to me about their work problems.
22:07 * Angeline bounces on Schism.
22:07 <Dappled> Why not quit? Because I need health insurance, esp. in a pandenmic, and the company is employee stock owned which means I do have a nice severence package when I leave, but I have to wait a year before I get that money, so it's best to wait till it's as big as possible.
22:08 <ADragonDreaming> See, requiring union membership would lead to organized power of the workers, and union dues, which people are annoyed by and which leads to the Right-to-Work laws being supported by people who don't fully understand all the nuances, would be used for things like legal fees to sue the pants off the
22:08 <Cepheid> I am like, the worst person to talk to about one's problems, be they personal or work-related.
22:08 <Angeline> Schism?
22:08 <Angeline> Ali, Dappled
22:08 <Dappled> Angeline.
22:08 <Angeline> Have you ponies seen the Nemesis trailer for Stellaris
22:08 <Cepheid> My biggest concern with unions is being forced into them, because some unions I don't necessarily agree with, due to how they are being run.
22:08 <Angeline> We get to BE the Crisis!
22:08 <ADragonDreaming> company that's abusing the union workers.
22:08 <Dappled> Nope.
22:09 <Ali> Haven't touched Stellaris since 2.0
22:09 <Angeline> Ali, oh my gosh
22:09 <ADragonDreaming> Union corruption is a serious problem, yes.
22:09 <Cepheid> Some are run like businesses out to make money. Others are actually protective of their employees. And some are... somewhere in between. Or like to raise *YAY*.
22:09 <ADragonDreaming> Unions should be basically force into the non-profit model.
22:09 * Dappled becomes more depressed.
22:10 * Angeline blows up the sun to harvest Dark Matter to fuel their new megastructure.
22:10 <Cepheid> An example of a case that worries me is that I'm a software developer. I have deadlines to meet, and those deadlines tend to be somewhat... rock-solid. And crunch is a thing that is applied to projects.
22:11 <Cepheid> I'm worried that crunch/crunch-like conditions may invoke a strike, leading to even worse crunch conditions afterwards.
22:11 <Cepheid> Because that deadline isn't going to move.
22:11 <Angeline> Cepheid, https://xkcd.com/664/
22:11 <Cepheid> Instead, we're going to be put into even harsher conditions.
22:11 <ADragonDreaming> Depends on the outcome of the strike.
22:12 <ADragonDreaming> Deadlines being immutable is the real source of the problem
22:12 <Cepheid> That's how the industry works.
22:12 <Cepheid> Even if the strike ends on agreeable terms, we'll just go back to the status quo, only more compacted and worse.
22:12 <Cepheid> Until the project is done.
22:12 <ADragonDreaming> If the terms of returning to work are that crunch is not allowed...
22:13 <Cepheid> ADra, a recent example.
22:13 <Cepheid> Cyberpunk 2077. Year and a half ago, the developer swore up and down crunch won't happen.
22:13 <Cepheid> Then a couple months before it's release, crunch became mandatory.
22:13 <ADragonDreaming> Yes, I know. The industry is plagued by crunch.
22:13 <ADragonDreaming> The point I'm trying to make is that if a strike happens because of crunch, then the goal of the strike, i.e. the terms of ending it, would be to do away with crunch.
22:14 <Cepheid> And yet, it won't work in the end.
22:14 <ADragonDreaming> If that works, then the people setting the immutable deadline would have to shove it.
22:14 <Angeline> In my opinion
22:14 <Angeline> Game devs need a very good union.
22:14 <ADragonDreaming> That's the point of organized action - if everyone refuses to work crunch, empowered to do so by a powerful union, then the managers have to accept the reality that deadline won't be met.
22:15 <Cepheid> Unionizing and striking won't work. What needs to be done is to show the benefits of ignoring marketing who wants to get the product out ASAP, and learn to set more reasonable deadlines.
22:15 <Cepheid> Yeah, here's the problem.
22:15 <ADragonDreaming> Why won't they work?
22:15 <Cepheid> Most software engineers I know are OCD.
22:15 <Cepheid> They would crunch without even realizing they're crunching in the first place. They will do it willingly, even though it's bad for their health.
22:16 <Cepheid> When I worked at NAVCAN, I actually worked at home after coming home from work.
22:16 * Angeline goes to blow up Aeldari ships now.
22:16 <Cepheid> It's a multi-faceted problem.
22:16 <Cepheid> We got people setting bad deadlines. We got people who are willingly crunching without realizing it, and draining themselves. It's a mess.
22:17 <ADragonDreaming> And why would unionizing not help?
22:17 <Cepheid> I'll concede it solves the deadline problem, but it's not going to solve the behavioural problem, which is what encourages the company to employ crunch techniques in the first place.
22:17 * Ali corrects Angeline back to Eldar
22:18 <Cepheid> They see their employees working really hard, so they think "Well, then they can handle this" and enforce it instead.
22:18 <Cepheid> What they should be doing is telling them "Look, you need to go home."
22:18 * Angeline blows up the warships of the vile, perfidious xenos.
22:18 * Cepheid will BRB. Dinner.
22:18 <ADragonDreaming> A union can totally help with correcting the behavioral problem.
22:18 * Dappled thinks Angeline should play Sea of Thieves instead and be a pirate, yar.
22:18 * Angeline wants to blow up big ships though.
22:19 <ADragonDreaming> The contracts with unions often go over training requirements, etc. Union reps also communicate to union members regularly.
22:19 <ADragonDreaming> "Don't work off the clock, don't work overtime except under strict conditions, etc." is training and messaging that a union can assist with.
22:20 * Dappled dreams of not working overtime.
22:20 <Cepheid> Mmm.
22:20 <Cepheid> I'll concede that.
22:21 <Cepheid> That said, my experiences with unions has been mixed. Ranged from receiving threats from the union if I didn't sign, to a union rep covering for me when I made a huge mistake, arguing in my defense.
22:21 <ADragonDreaming> Yes. Unions are made of people, and people are flawed.
22:22 <ADragonDreaming> The point of the union, though, is to give leverage to the employees of a company, rather than the employers holding all the cards.
22:23 <ADragonDreaming> A more equitable distribution of power. On the whole, unions are fairly good at that.
22:23 * Angeline gripe.
22:23 <Angeline> BFG 2 didn't like me alt-tabbing.
22:23 <ADragonDreaming> Or at least, better than when they don't exist.
22:23 <Angeline> It is froz
22:23 *** Quits: NitroTheFurry (Nitro@Pony-l010ql.mi.comcast.net) (Connection closed)
22:23 * Dappled hasn't had less than overtime since Nov. and that was one paycheck. The next one back from that was... April.
22:23 <Dappled> bfg 2?
22:24 <Ali> BattleFleet Gothic I presume
22:24 <LibrarianofHope> heresy?
22:24 <LibrarianofHope> repent!
22:24 *** Joins: NitroTheFurry (Nitro@Pony-l010ql.mi.comcast.net)
22:24 * Ali Nids about
22:24 * LibrarianofHope bonks dappled
22:25 * Angeline purges and cleanses.
22:25 <Cepheid> In any case, I'm on the fence about unions overall, but admittedly that's due to biasing from that earlier case of threatening behavior. Also combined with observed behaviour from the OC Transpo bus driver's union.
22:25 * Dappled falls over.
22:25 <Cepheid> Said union has a representative who's... He's not well-liked, let's leave it at that.
22:26 <Cepheid> He actively tried to throw a bus driver under the bus at one point in an attempt to protect the union.
22:26 * Angeline snuggles into Dappled belly.
22:26 * Dappled hugs Angeline.
22:27 <Cepheid> In the scenario in question, a bus driver who, by all rights should not have been driving a bus, crashed their bus into a station, killing several passengers and critically maiming several others.
22:27 * Angeline readies her Nova Cannon, Stasis Bomb, and Plasma Bomb.
22:28 <Cepheid> ... Dang it game.
22:28 <Cepheid> I need a tempered coral pukei-pukei, and what do you do? You delevel my Coral Region.
22:29 <Cepheid> According to the map, it's literally 1% away.
22:33 <Cepheid> Very well then. I guess an Odo must die.
22:33 * Cepheid kills a shapeshifter.
22:33 <Cepheid> Wait, wrong Odo.
22:36 * Dappled forcefully shapeshifts an Odogaron into crafting materials?
22:41 <Angeline> eugh
22:41 <Angeline> My next mission seems like an escort
22:41 <Angeline> heck with that
22:45 * ADragonDreaming has started just straight up telling agents that certain wordings are not useful.
22:45 * Dappled gets confirmation that he is working tonight. You all have a good day.
22:46 <ADragonDreaming> "'Can't open' is not useful to us." "'It's not allowing' is not useful to us."
22:47 <Schism> Adra: "We're running out of air" is not useful to us.
22:49 <Schism> Adra: Trust me, though, I understand this. "'We have determined that there have been payments made to the account equivalent to what you've already told us.' 'Yes. That's why we told you about them. We were hoping you might deduce whether further payments had been made.' 'Could you tell us about previous payments?'"
22:49 <ADragonDreaming> That one is more useful, actually.
22:49 <ADragonDreaming> the "running out of air" thing.
22:49 <Schism> Urgh. More useful...
22:50 <Cepheid> "It's currently on fire"
22:50 <Schism> Cepheid: "What's currently on fire?" "Give us a moment, we'll find out."
22:50 <ADragonDreaming> It's more that I'm trying to get the agents to get past "what can't they do" to "what's happening when they try?"
22:51 <ADragonDreaming> The first is "can't open the contract." The latter is "gets http 403 error when trying to open the contract."
22:51 <ADragonDreaming> The first is "I have no idea what's wrong." the latter is "clear cache and cookies in browser, relog, try again."
22:51 <Cepheid> Odo murdered. That set was particularly devastating against it.
22:51 <Cepheid> Frostfang Barioth SnS with Frost Charm V.
22:51 <Cepheid> And Critical Eye 7.
22:52 <Schism> Adra: 403 error upon opening contract. Really.
22:53 <ADragonDreaming> for reference, the program in quesiton is a web-accessible platform for creating and sending through applications and contracts for financing of automobile purchases.
22:53 <ADragonDreaming> so the contracts are basically just documents, and the attempt to open it is a link within the program.
22:53 <ADragonDreaming> http 403 indicates a user session issue - clear old cached data, clear cookies to wipe out session cookies, refresh, and they go away.
22:54 <Schism> And the result of "I have NFC what's going on" is "Reboot, Reload, Recall."
22:55 <ADragonDreaming> On the other hand, "They get a message saying the deal type isn't supported" when they try to open the contract is entirely different, with an entirely different path of investigation to help them be able to do what they need to do.
22:55 <Schism> Adra: I get that with my shoe company client.
22:55 <ADragonDreaming> And both fall under "can't open the contract"
22:55 <Schism> Well, that latter implies a fault in the customer profile...
22:56 <ADragonDreaming> Nah, it usually means they tried to do a deal that none of their lenders supports for contracting on the platform.
22:56 <ADragonDreaming> Like a Business Lease, which isn't universally accepted via electronic means.
22:56 * Schism provides Adra with a gimlet eye.
22:58 <Schism> How then is that not a fault in the customer profile?
22:59 <ADragonDreaming> Because it's working as designed.
22:59 * Schism sighs, and nods.
22:59 <ADragonDreaming> Some lenders, like Ford, do support business lease, for example.
22:59 <ADragonDreaming> so that contract type can be imported from the external system, no problem.
23:00 <Schism> And I certainly don't quite grok the full manner of a business lease.
23:00 <ADragonDreaming> It's just when they try to proceed to the next step, it checks to see which lenders are valid, and if it finds none, you get the error saying "you can't do this."
23:00 <ADragonDreaming> Do you grok what a lease is?
23:01 <ADragonDreaming> a business lease is just a lease that's in the name of the business rather than the name of a person.
23:01 <Schism> Not _quite_...
23:01 <ADragonDreaming> Leasing a vehicle means you pay a monthly amount to use it, but you don't actually own it.
23:01 <ADragonDreaming> Similar to leasing a building.
23:01 <Schism> As I'm given to understand, a lease is a loan.
23:02 <ADragonDreaming> or renting an apartment.
23:02 <ADragonDreaming> If you lease a new vehicle, then the bank that holds the lease is the actual owner of the vehicle. Your lease contract lays out the terms of your allowed usage of said vehicle.
23:03 <Schism> This isn't quite the precise definition, of course. A lease is a certain amount of collateral applied to the general amount a certain property is worth--
23:03 <ADragonDreaming> That's a lien.
23:03 <ADragonDreaming> You're thinking of lien.
23:03 <Schism> Ah, my apologies. You're correct.
23:04 <Schism> So... a lease is then the use of an item as collateral?
23:04 <ADragonDreaming> No.
23:04 <ADragonDreaming> It's renting.
23:05 <ADragonDreaming> Lease: a contract by which one party conveys land, property, services, etc. to another for a specified time, usually in return for a periodic payment.
23:05 <ADragonDreaming> If you lease a vehicle, you get use of the vehicle for two years, three years, etc, and you pay a monthly amount for it.
23:06 <ADragonDreaming> The bank pays the dealer, the bank then becomes the actual owner of the vehicle, and you are then renting the vehicle from the bank.
23:06 <Cepheid> My flying wyvern tracks were in fact a Silver 'Los.
23:06 <Schism> Thank you, Adra. The next step is a Lien...
23:07 <ADragonDreaming> liens are involved but my work doesn't usually eal with them directly.
23:07 <Schism> I think I get it, though.
23:07 <ADragonDreaming> RouteOne exists to connect auto dealers with lenders. So they can create the contracts, and send them to the lenders.
23:07 <ADragonDreaming> the lenders are in control of what they accept.
23:07 <ADragonDreaming> Some lenders only want some contracts via paper means, rather than electronically.
23:08 <ADragonDreaming> (potentially they just haven't paid out to make their systems able to process the less common contracts)
23:09 <Cepheid> Hum, there we are. Got my parts for the next water charm upgrade.
23:09 <ADragonDreaming> But basically it all comes down to "can't open the contract" could really be any of five or more different things happening, ranging from browser issues to account permissions to "you don't have any banks that support that"
23:09 <ADragonDreaming> so "what happesn when they try" is necessary.
23:09 <Cepheid> 403 is usually credentials.
23:10 <ADragonDreaming> Yes, but in this case it means their user session is derped in some way.
23:10 <Cepheid> Mmhmm.
23:10 <ADragonDreaming> Maybe they've been inactive too long.
23:10 <ADragonDreaming> etc.
23:10 <Cepheid> So, let's see... That's Wyrmsbane, Frost, Shock, and Flood charms maxed out.
23:10 <Cepheid> All that remains...
23:10 <ADragonDreaming> so browser cache clearing resolves.
23:10 <ADragonDreaming> anyway. To dinner for me.
23:11 <Cepheid> Blaze Charm. And I just need... No idea!
23:11 <Cepheid> Tempered Red Scales. Going to assume tempered Teostra or tempered Rathalos.
23:11 <Cepheid> Rath.
23:12 <Schism> Huh. Wasn't expecting Shoppers to respond to my statement that their IVR was broken.
23:14 <Cepheid> I need another coffee.
23:14 <Cepheid> Daily exhaustion from illness is setting in.
23:23 *** Quits: NitroTheFurry (Nitro@Pony-l010ql.mi.comcast.net) (Connection closed)
23:24 * Schism looks at her Tweet to Shoppers Drug Mart -- and then their response to her. 'Tweeted with Salesforce - Social Studio'. "...okay."
23:27 <Cepheid> Man, getting the thousands of meld points needed for these jewels isn't as bad as I thought it'd be.
23:33 *** Joins: NitroTheFurry (Nitro@Pony-l010ql.mi.comcast.net)
23:46 <LibrarianofHope> bleh
23:46 <LibrarianofHope> the ebay thingie lost a package i sent
23:47 <LibrarianofHope> weirdly i get more money this way, but that dumb
23:55 *** Quits: ADragonDreaming (ADra@Pony-pit1eg.20dc.fhnt.0406.2601.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
23:56 <Cepheid> And now all I need are...
23:56 <Cepheid> Tempered Flamepelts.
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