00:00 <Cepheid> It's an iron maiden.
00:00 <Schism> Fun for some, I suppose.
00:00 <Schism> You shoved me into it, didn't you.
00:01 <Cepheid> I shoved MY character into it.
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00:01 <Cepheid> It died.
00:01 <Schism> Wurp. Well, at least they won't suffer as long as everyone else...
00:01 <Cepheid> I restarted the day.
00:02 <Schism> Perhaps for the best.
00:03 <Schism> Well, at least you can be happy about knowing what box #3 contained. If you hadn't picked it, you might have always wondered...
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00:04 <Cepheid> So, far as I can tell, it just straight up kills the person.
00:05 <Schism> Half the fun of Roguelites really _is_ learning all the deathtraps, so that's fair.
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00:07 <Cepheid> Yep. Well, it was expected that it might kill, given it is an IRON MAIDEN and all.
00:07 <Schism> It was described to you as a box. You couldn't have known!
00:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Fanfiction Updates - February 22nd [ https://tinyurl.com/y92sg5yn ]
00:10 * Cepheid sends Schism to deal with Fragment of the Universe.
00:10 * Schism carefully folds it.
00:10 * Schism then mails it to herself, and then SMASHES IT WITH A HAMMER! Ahahahahahaha.
00:13 <Cepheid> Well, we got through the day with no one dying this time.
00:15 * Cepheid looks at the iron maiden. "That can, for all intents and purposes, stay in the room it's in."
00:16 <Cepheid> Alternatively, it can be used to get rid of undesirables.
00:18 <Schism> It is a very pretty box.
00:20 <Cepheid> The box just indicates a packaged/contained abnormality, what it is *AFTER* you open the box is... different from a box.
00:20 <Cepheid> It's an iron maiden-looking device.
00:20 * Lumindia_ activates Extreme Measures 4
00:20 <Schism> ... it's an Iron Maiden. It's still a box. Just a very spiky one.
00:20 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/bKR2tam.png
00:21 <Schism> Still a box! Just... round. And pointy. And whatnot.
00:22 <Cepheid> "Dude... your 'little angel' is gnawing on our colleague's finger." "The more blood it has, the more beautiful it is." and "Please, eat my dreams."
00:22 <Cepheid> These are the descriptions of the three boxes.
00:22 <Cepheid> I'm thinking the first one.
00:22 <Cepheid> I'm curious as to what the hell that one is.
00:23 <Lumindia_> Schism, you ever play Hades?
00:24 <Schism> I'm sure I've never been entirely upset about Megaera, no, nor have I wanted to turn her into a bloody smear in my runs.
00:24 <Schism> "Hi again, Meg." "Back again?" "Yeah."
00:24 <Cepheid> ...
00:24 <Cepheid> It's a dog.
00:25 <Cepheid> https://i.imgur.com/nYk2Ndp.png
00:25 * Cepheid sends Schism in.
00:25 <Schism> That, right there, is the SCP which will end your run.
00:26 <Schism> I deserve to be murdered here, that's reasonable.
00:26 <Cepheid> Surprisingly, I picked the right method of investigation AND the right person.
00:27 * Schism is very good at her job.
00:28 <Cepheid> "Further descriptions of the creature have been omitted for brevity's sake. The rest of the sentences are essentially just saying "It's so cute!" in various ways."
00:28 <Schism> Mostly good at my job.
00:28 <Schism> But if you put me in a room with a cat who contains a black hole, I'd react the same way.
00:29 <Cepheid> "I mean sometimes we found what looked like human bones near D-02-107, but it's SO CUTE!"
00:29 <Cepheid> Long story short, when it comes to the dog, we're complete morons.
00:30 <Schism> "Hypothesis: if an enemy wished to destroy the Foundation, all they would need is ten nuclear weapons in the kiloton range, disguised as Girl Scouts." --Dr. A. Clef
00:31 <Cepheid> "Every employee who enters its Containment Unit must upload a video or photo report of this Abnormality. (This is highly, extremely, UBER important; ensure that nobody misses this step.)"
00:31 <Schism> ... the bloody dog is obviously memetic, who wrote that containment step?
00:32 <Cepheid> It sounds like it has memetic qualities about it, anyways.
00:32 <Cepheid> Apparently anyone who sees it starts acting like a child and swoons over how cute it is.
00:33 <Cepheid> "The Goodest Boy in the World Ppodae" is what most everyone refers to it as.
00:33 <Schism> Clearly, you should have picked box B.
00:34 <Cepheid> ...
00:34 <Cepheid> I made a mistake.
00:35 <Cepheid> ... Holy-
00:35 <Schism> The fun of the game is in making those mistakes, and then seeing how you can recover from them.
00:35 <Schism> Or not. :3
00:35 <Cepheid> We survived, but good GODS.
00:35 <Cepheid> I mean, I died.
00:36 <Cepheid> It said not to do anything but instinct work, otherwise the qliphoth meter would go down with medium probability.
00:36 <Cepheid> I made a terrible mistake of NOT DOING INSTINCT WORK. It killed Cepheid.
00:37 <Cepheid> Problem is this resulted in it escaping containment.
00:37 <Cepheid> ... It proceeded to turn into a horrific monster and kill a random passerby before it returned to containment.
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00:38 <Schism> Your character does not have the best luck in the world.
00:39 <Cepheid> Nope.
00:39 <Cepheid> It's probably for the best I send myself in.
00:39 <Cepheid> In any case, I left it at that.
00:39 <Cepheid> So I have to create Cepheid II.
00:45 <Cepheid> We're in trouble. That meter's gonna hit max guaranteed, and it's going to result in an ordeal.
00:46 <Cepheid> "If you dislike Ppodae, well, that's enough reason to demote you on the spot."
00:47 <Cepheid> ...
00:47 <Cepheid> Gee, "Bald is awesome!" And all of it's works are "very low", I wonder what changes that.
00:48 * Cepheid 's character is bald.
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00:48 <Cepheid> Right, *YAY* is going to hit the fan next time I start some work.
00:49 <Cepheid> The hell are those?
00:51 <Cepheid> Well, whatever they are, they're dead now.
00:59 <Cepheid> Basically, if anyone who is not bald deals with this abnormality, they go bald, and the result is lower.
01:00 <Cepheid> "Somehow, bald people always look professional, no matter what they're doing!"
01:01 <Cepheid> "If you're bald, you never have to worry about clogging the drain!"
01:04 <Cepheid> The weapon gained from it has a prerequisite for use: "Bald"
01:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Say Something Nice About Flurry Heart [ https://tinyurl.com/yb8jszs4 ]
01:11 <Cepheid> Right. Nameless Fetus.
01:12 <Cepheid> I died again.
01:17 <Cepheid> Oh gods not another one of these types. Someone has to go in, I'm not sure they'll come out. I'll send Cepheid the Third in.
01:18 <Cepheid> Oh great.
01:18 <Cepheid> The fetus is crying.
01:26 <Cepheid> What happened shortly after: Fetus started crying. Dog got pissed off and escaped containment. Schism was attacked by the dog and summarily eaten. Meanwhile, Cepheid the Third was over in THE SAFEST ROOM IN THE WORLD.
01:34 * Cepheid rusts around Surry.
01:35 <Schism> Well, at least I provided it a meal. I knew that thing would be the end of me.
01:35 <Cepheid> Heh.
01:36 <Cepheid> Seriously, my character was in the self-described "safest room in the world."
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01:40 <Cepheid> Anyhoo, getting late, so time to lay down.
02:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Nightly Discussion #2443 [ https://tinyurl.com/y9ohq26w ]
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02:14 <PinkieShy> Ha
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02:14 <PinkieShy> I think i just made a twitch streamer want to get into VRC now
02:14 <PinkieShy> Told her about how it has undertale worlds and such.. She likes that :3
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03:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Overcoming Obstacles Music: Thunder Dash - The Overcomers [Piano Solo] [ https://tinyurl.com/y87d7vhy ]
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04:05 <ADragonDreaming> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9go5jzWvJsI&feature=youtu.be
04:05 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
04:05 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Ed Sings Your Love But I Synced Up The Lip Flaps
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06:48 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
06:51 * Ali flops over ConfusionRift and curls into
06:51 * ConfusionRift huggles Ali.
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07:10 <ConfusionRift> Sorry if I'm being quiet. Just cooling off from just a pain of a day.
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07:22 <ConfusionRift> Well... that was interesting
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07:42 <Finwe> Good morning, my perissodactyls of minute stature.
07:43 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift, Capt Koopz.
07:43 <Finwe> o7
07:44 <Finwe> Mlles Ali, Filly_Nightmares and Schism; Messrs PinkieShy, Cepheid and LibrarianofHope.
07:44 * Finwe doffs his hat.
07:44 * Ali flops over Finwe and sighs
07:44 * Finwe counter-sighs at Ali.
07:46 <PinkieShy> I'm so sleepy that nothing is making sense to make..
07:46 <PinkieShy> err *me
07:46 <PinkieShy> Good Night.
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07:47 <Koopz> RAdm. Finwe o7
07:47 * Finwe checks the latest COVID figures.
07:47 <Finwe> Looks like yet another summer of lockdown. o3o
07:48 <Finwe> I really do hope that the vaccination will change the current trend, though.
07:48 <Koopz> do you also work with the "7 day incidence" number?
07:48 * Finwe quarantines Ali.
07:49 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
07:50 <Finwe> Koopz: I'm just reading the news and the WHO weekly report.
07:50 * Ali wonders if there ever will be a normal again..
07:51 <Koopz> germany does see a bit of a downwards trend
07:51 <Koopz> but the idiotic government wants to open up schools again so i mentally prepare for "wave 3"
07:52 <Koopz> i do understand that parents are getting desperate because of homeschooling
07:52 <Koopz> i really do
07:53 <Koopz> but letting kids meet up and play is probably the biggest threat with the british mutation around
07:54 * Finwe nodnods.
07:54 * Finwe welcomes Ali to the new normal.
07:55 <Koopz> i hope i can get the chance to finally buy a new car before the next lockdown hits us
07:55 * Ali thinks this new normal *yay* sucks
07:55 <Koopz> test drives are getting allowed again starting 1st of march
07:56 <Koopz> been carless since the end of october
07:57 <Finwe> I sold my car when I realised that I actually do not need one.
07:57 <Koopz> got plenty of cash on my bank account but the cardealers are only allowed to sell online, with videochats and the like
07:57 <Finwe> Koopz: Just buy a Tesla and be off with it.
07:58 <Koopz> and there's no way i'm gonna buy a car before i personally sit in there and gave it a drive myself no matter how detailed that videochat is supposed to be
07:58 <Koopz> nope i despise electric cars :P
07:58 <ConfusionRift> Online... car dealers... what.
07:59 <Ali> Well get used to them
07:59 <Ali> Cause they want to turn all cars electric
07:59 <Finwe> Do androids test drive electric cars?
07:59 <Finwe> Or was it, "dream of electric sheep"?
08:00 <Koopz> i'll buy one of these when hydrogen or synthetic fuel is becoming a thing
08:00 <Koopz> battery production is just as bad as fuel production
08:01 <Koopz> the thing about synthetic fuel is that theoretically everything is ready for it
08:01 <Finwe> How about thorium reactors?
08:01 <Koopz> but guess who doesn't want it to let it on the market?
08:02 <Koopz> the oil lobby
08:02 <Finwe> And electric cars powered by cheap electricity produced in the aforementioned reactors? o3o
08:03 <Koopz> i used to drive a Toyota Auris Hybrid
08:03 <Koopz> probably known as Corolla in your country
08:04 <ConfusionRift> You know what's funny about this electric car future garbage? They think that by reducing the use of fossil fuel on the road, eliminates the use of fossil fuel in general... when the state power grids are powered mostly by fossil fuel. If it's not fossil fuel, it's hydro-electric, which is very harmful to the aquatic ecology and does affect its local ecosystem.
08:04 <Koopz> i thought i'd do something good for the world by buying it and how am i thanked for it?
08:04 <Koopz> by paying insurance like i'm driving a Mercedes 3 times the worth
08:05 <Koopz> because *if* an accident happens, it's gonna get really expensive to replace parts
08:06 <ConfusionRift> Thanks to these new changes, we're moving to a higher demand on petroleum byproducts (plastics) and higher conductivity materials (gold and lithium), which means more mining and terraforming. At the end of the day, it's all the same.
08:06 <Ali> And what makes them think that California, who already can't control its power
08:07 <Koopz> but by eliminating the direct dependency on fossil fuel you essentially do what programmers like to call "decoupling" :>
08:07 <Ali> Can handle fully electric cars in 10-15 years with its garbo power grid
08:08 <ConfusionRift> California can detach and float by the ocean for all I care. Sorry to those who are here and leave there, but damn.
08:08 <ConfusionRift> There's a reason why many fled from there.
08:09 <Koopz> so no thank you... i won't buy a hybrid again. Instead i set my eyes on either an Audi A5 or A6 and enjoy the sound of a V6 engine as long as i can
08:10 * ConfusionRift chuckles. "Do people know how volatile a hot lithium power bank is?"
08:11 * ConfusionRift was reminded of Richard Hammond's last accident with an electric "supercar".
08:12 <Koopz> did he say the C-Word?
08:15 <ConfusionRift> No. He got himself in a really bad bend, when he was staging out of a track, lost control of the vehicle, and rolled it off down a hill. He was stuck in the vehicle while the whole thing ignited. They were able to get him out, but the car was basically gone. I think only the chassis remained.
08:17 <Koopz> oooh *that* accident
08:17 <ConfusionRift> Yep, that one.
08:17 <ConfusionRift> I think you were thinking of when he flipped the mini van in the movers challenge. :P
08:18 <Koopz> nah i only really know of the one where he barely missed a house
08:19 <ConfusionRift> I think that's the same one. There was a house by the side of the track, and he rolled near it.
08:19 <Koopz> the only thing i had in my mind when i read "electric supercar" was the Ford Mach E... but that thing was driven by Ken Block
08:20 * ConfusionRift pukes oil.
08:20 <Koopz> what was it... 1500HP of electric power? two engines, one for the front one for the back
08:20 <Koopz> "please let me hoon it"
08:21 <ConfusionRift> Talk about destroying the Mustang. I mean, I don't like Ford, but that's sad. Actually, now that I look at it, it depicts modernization to a tee. :P
08:23 <Koopz> oh... 1400HP
08:23 <Koopz> modern Ford is a joke
08:24 * ConfusionRift checks this monstrosity out.
08:24 <Koopz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-7jBLqSlzg
08:24 <Koopz> i wouldn't mind driving a Mustang from the 60s though
08:24 <ConfusionRift> I'm watching that same exact video. :P
08:25 <Koopz> just making sure :P
08:26 * ConfusionRift was reminded he's also kind of a car guy.
08:26 <ConfusionRift> Despite me not having one.
08:27 <ConfusionRift> Ah, so he went with a GT kit.
08:30 <ConfusionRift> Did... did I hear that right? The battery alone... weighs 1500 lbs?
08:31 <Koopz> i mean... that thing is not made for mass production
08:31 <ConfusionRift> And has 3 motors, not 2. :P
08:31 <Koopz> 3 even
08:31 <ConfusionRift> 2 are in the rear, and one in the front.
08:32 <Koopz> if my company would give me the funds, i'd also go wild
08:32 <Koopz> "this is for studies"
08:33 <ConfusionRift> Despite it being about an over-funded and ridiculous e-car, this is still interesting.
08:33 <ConfusionRift> It is. Most of those parts are prototypes or still being tested, to see what one can do with an electric car setup.
08:36 <ConfusionRift> I can't imagine just how freaking crazy the computer on that thing must be going. Just the madness that this setup is as a whole.
08:46 <ConfusionRift> A quad rotor? Hmmmmmmm. (watches)
08:53 <ConfusionRift> Okay... I knew why the hoods on GT and tracks cars were bolted, rather than just using the same stock hinges. But now I can see another reason for it.
08:54 <ConfusionRift> Freakin' franken-RX7.
09:12 <ConfusionRift> That's straight out of a movie. Just put a bunch of parts together, hook them up, and just challenge one of the biggest drivers out there with it.
09:14 <Ali> And that's how you gets Guts Man
09:14 <Ali> Cause you know
09:14 <Ali> Been patched together like 4 times was it?
09:18 <ConfusionRift> He's still being patched. :P
09:19 <ConfusionRift> That was like Dr. Willy's baby.
09:19 <Koopz> :D
09:24 <ConfusionRift> Made him, changed him, modified him, referenced him, stole him back... what else... I think one of the Doc Robots mimicked him.
09:33 <Ali> ConfusionRift, no, the Doc bots mimiced the MM2 bosses in 3
09:33 <ConfusionRift> Ah, right.
09:35 <Ali> I know of two times Guts Man came back
09:35 <Ali> The Guts Tank in Megaman 2, and the Guts Man bot of Megaman 7
09:38 * Cepheid flops in.
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09:44 <Koopz> so i just searched the car market for Supras and found this https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTM0MFgxNjAw/z/SWUAAOSwCh1gLaC3/$_20.jpg
09:45 <Koopz> certainly an eye catcher
09:46 <Cepheid> That's one way to get attention, yes.
09:47 * ConfusionRift laughs.
09:47 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQE66WA2s-A
09:47 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
09:47 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about [HD] All Your Base Are Belong To Us
09:47 <ConfusionRift> Is this...?
09:48 <ConfusionRift> Yeeesssss! It's been a while. :P
09:49 <Cepheid> Heh.
09:49 <Koopz> the cheapest Tesla i can find is a Model S offered for 27k€
09:50 <Cepheid> It's 20 years old this month, that video.
09:51 <ConfusionRift> Oh... so that explains it. Apparently, the reason why the intro was never in the arcade version was because it was added later on the Genesis... or Mega Drive.
09:52 <Cepheid> Heh.
09:52 <ConfusionRift> Also, 20 years. It really has been a while. Still love it.
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09:57 <Cepheid> Same.
09:57 <ConfusionRift> Koopz: Yep, the cheapest one is still not exactly cheap.
10:07 * Cepheid stretches and yawns.
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10:07 <Cepheid> I hurt my back even more with sleeping last night, huzzah.
10:08 <ConfusionRift> And they unfortunately retain their value. So older models are still kinda pricey.
10:08 * ConfusionRift lightly pats Cepheid.
10:10 <Cepheid> Oh, hey, Rifty.
10:10 <Cepheid> Did you see the latest Rise trailer yet?
10:10 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo-y-23O3MA
10:10 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Monster Hunter Rise - Rampage Trailer
10:10 <ConfusionRift> Isn't this the direct trailer? :P
10:11 <Cepheid> Yes.
10:11 <ConfusionRift> Still smiling that Basarios is back.
10:11 <Cepheid> Heh, I thought you'd like that.
10:11 <Cepheid> Probably means Gravios is back too.
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10:11 <ConfusionRift> Should be the case. Huzzah, laser wyvern is back!
10:13 <Cepheid> That ending was interesting. It implies they have NPC hunters, but... then again, that's not shocking enough to me, as World demonstrated that Capcom *CAN* pull off NPC hunters.
10:13 <Cepheid> And I'm not talking cannon loaders and such.
10:13 <ConfusionRift> There were NPCs in 4, no?
10:14 <Cepheid> Not in the sense of NPC hunters fighting battles with the player, no.
10:14 <ConfusionRift> Ah, right.
10:15 <Cepheid> In World's final update, they added one such hunter to the game, and it helps you for the first half of the relevant battle.
10:15 <ConfusionRift> Huh.
10:16 <ConfusionRift> I kinda struggled a bit in the demo. Hope it's smoother in-game.
10:16 <Cepheid> Oh?
10:16 <ConfusionRift> Yeah... despite me saying I was not gonna get the game, my cousin decided to gift it as a very late Christmas gift.
10:17 <Cepheid> Ah.
10:17 <Cepheid> I've already got it pre-ordered, myself.
10:19 <ConfusionRift> Struggling to switch modes with the charge blade, finagling with the light bowgun because there was no auto-unequip or run sheathing, having odd timing with switching with the switch axe, and just downright going all over the place with the hook system.
10:19 <Cepheid> No run sheathing? Pretty sure that's there.
10:20 <ConfusionRift> Not last I checked with the bowguns.
10:20 <Cepheid> The biggest issue for me meanwhile with the SA is they removed one particular combo.
10:20 <Cepheid> Forward Slash->Overhead Slash->Forward Slash->Overhead Slash->Repeat.
10:21 * Finwe ruffles Filly_Nightmares.
10:21 <Cepheid> Also, are you using the pro controller?
10:21 <ConfusionRift> Technically, yes.
10:21 <Cepheid> Because I've noticed some oddities with that controller.
10:22 <Cepheid> It doesn't seem to register the R button press very well.
10:22 <Cepheid> I can press down on it, and it won't be picked up.
10:22 <Cepheid> I have to press down on it HARD.
10:22 <ConfusionRift> Also, going from no input lag to some lag is jarring.
10:23 <Cepheid> The 60->30 FPS thing?
10:23 <ConfusionRift> No. I just have input lag.
10:24 <ConfusionRift> It's the problem I have had for years, since the early wireless days.
10:24 <Cepheid> I... don't have that?
10:24 <Cepheid> You using a TV or monitor?
10:24 <ConfusionRift> TV.
10:24 <Cepheid> Might want to check that the Game Mode and such is on.
10:24 <Cepheid> Otherwise, TVs tend to introduce lag.
10:24 <ConfusionRift> And yes, I have tried EVERY single configuration. Nothing helps.
10:25 <Cepheid> I'd say try it with an HDMI monitor.
10:25 <ConfusionRift> I get lag on the PS4, XB1S, and Switch.
10:25 <Cepheid> Then yeah.
10:25 <Cepheid> It's the TV.
10:25 <ConfusionRift> Then... why not with the Genesis, SNES, or even PS2?
10:26 * Cepheid shrugs. "Lower resolution devices? Seriously, test on a monitor before assuming it's the controllers."
10:27 <ConfusionRift> Before someone says "because composite", I have to use an upscaler to switch to HDMI, because modern TVs no longer support composite or component.
10:27 <Cepheid> My TV, unless it's set up in Game Mode introduces considerable lag at 1080p or higher. Like, we're talking half-second lag.
10:28 <Cepheid> So TVs are at fault for introducing a lot of lag, these days.
10:28 <Cepheid> It's all that post-processing they do.
10:28 <Cepheid> So, the next step to figuring out if it's the TV or not, is to test with a device known not to have such post-processing and lag: A monitor designed for a computer.
10:29 <ConfusionRift> Game Mode is on, auto brightness is off, films and filters are off, any form of post-rendering processing is off. I get half to full second lags.
10:29 <Cepheid> Then your TV manufacturer is ****ing with you.
10:29 <Cepheid> Again, I re-iterate, TEST. WITH. A. MONITOR.
10:29 <ConfusionRift> I'll test it, chill.
10:30 <Cepheid> It's just you're trying to convince me that you did all this, I know you did, it's just the way you're expressing it makes it sound like you are insistent it's the controllers at fault.
10:30 <Cepheid> TVs are... a pain in the ass when it comes to computing and gaming.
10:31 <Finwe> It's well below freezing and it's raining. :/
10:31 <Cepheid> I have a problem with my current TV when it runs at 1440p on occasion, wherein even with v-sync, it starts showing severe screen tearing.
10:31 <Finwe> The raindrops freeze the instant they hit you.
10:31 <Cepheid> Then again, supposedly 1440p is "out of range" for the TV, so..
10:32 <Cepheid> ... Even though it's a 4k TV capable of running at 2180p.
10:32 <ConfusionRift> Never said it was the controller. All I'm saying that there's something (don't know what) that's causing some form of interference or something is up with my TV's HDMI processes with modern consoles in particular.
10:32 <Cepheid> I'm betting on the TV being the issue.
10:32 <ConfusionRift> It probably is.
10:33 <Cepheid> I'll admit there are some PS4 games that have some horrible input lag, but I've never had a case where it affected every game on it. Same for the Switch and other consoles.
10:33 <Cepheid> In fact, Immortals: Fenyx Rising is the most recent example of a PS4 game having severe lag that comes to mind.
10:33 <Cepheid> Especially in menus.
10:34 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/_SrPelo_/status/1364049869585874944/photo/1
10:36 <Cepheid> As for the whole Game Mode vs No Game Mode, I honestly... It's one of those things that I just don't understand.
10:36 <Cepheid> Visually, there's no difference that I could discern.
10:36 <Cepheid> So the claims that it reduces video quality is absurd, to me.
10:37 <Cepheid> If anything, on the previous TV I had, turning it off actually made things look worse.
10:37 <ConfusionRift> I dunno. As I said, I have had this lag for the longest time. And there is absolutely NO WAY that every TV I have ever had has the same post-processing issues. So... I just don't know. Maybe this house has something causing interference. Hell, I might just try to debunk it right now and rip off the PS4 and put it on the monitor.
10:37 <Cepheid> It induced severe fringing along elements with drastic differences in color.
10:38 <Cepheid> I just find it interesting, because I have yet to experience any such lag outside of the Game Mode switch.
10:39 <Cepheid> Except, again, for the aformentioned rare game, in which case it's a part of the game itself.
10:39 <ConfusionRift> I also made sure that every input had it switched on.
10:40 <Cepheid> Hilariously, the aformentioned game is actually borked a bit at it's main menu.
10:40 <Cepheid> For whatever reason, regardless of the settings you use, the main menu will always run 30 FPS or lower.
10:40 <Cepheid> On the PC version anyways.
10:41 * ConfusionRift points at Control. the game runs on the PS4 at 30, and freaks out in the menus.
10:42 <Cepheid> On the PC, the issue primarily manifested on LEAVING the menus.
10:42 <Cepheid> Because it autosaved every time you left the menu.
10:42 <ConfusionRift> The game crashed at one point when I paused.
10:42 <Cepheid> Plus reloaded resources, I think.
10:44 <Cepheid> No crashes here, but if you ran the DX12 version, you'd get all sorts of texture bugs after a few hours.
10:44 <Cepheid> Only solution was to restart the game.
10:44 <ConfusionRift> You know what? Gonna do it.
10:46 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/MS60kcC
10:48 <Cepheid> ...
10:48 <Cepheid> I can't turn my head to the right very far.
10:48 <Cepheid> Even less to the left. Dangit.
10:50 <ConfusionRift> Urgh, that sucks. Hate when that happens.
10:52 <ConfusionRift> Gonna test using two of the more lagtastic games; BL3 and NFS Heat. One is on disc, the other digital. It should cover things a bit.
10:53 <Cepheid> NFS Heat seems like it'd be a poor game to have lag in. BL3 meanwhile... I have no idea how the BL games are supposed to feel on console.
10:53 <Cepheid> But I would imagine even at 30 FPS, they should still feel snappy.
10:54 <ConfusionRift> Yep, it's still there.
10:54 <Cepheid> That's... Wow.
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10:55 <ConfusionRift> I'm in Sanctuary. There's basically nothing going on, so...
10:55 * Golden flops.
10:56 <Cepheid> Got either of the RE: Revelations games for the PS4?
10:56 <ConfusionRift> Nope.
10:56 <Cepheid> Hum. Any games known to run at 60 FPS?
10:57 <ConfusionRift> Should I try to run an older PS4 game?
10:58 <Cepheid> I'm thinking a game known to have no lag would be a good secondary game to test. Most 60 FPS games tend to be such cases, and if there's lag there, then it's definitely interference of some sort.
10:59 <Cepheid> Any of the Ys remakes other than Ys 1 & 2, Tokyo Xanadu, Burnout Paradise..
11:00 <Cepheid> Devil May Cry series as well should be fine.
11:00 <Cepheid> Especially as those games are particularly picky about responsiveness.
11:01 * ConfusionRift thinks maybe his perception is a bit screwed.
11:01 <Cepheid> Some of the Resident Evil games may qualify as well, though I'm only certain of RE: Revelations
11:02 <Cepheid> Mmm.
11:02 <Cepheid> I've toyed around with response times myself.
11:02 <ConfusionRift> I tried chrono'ing it... 0.34 seconds, on the dot, constantly.
11:03 <Cepheid> I can tell the difference between a few milliseconds of lag and a few tens or hundreds of milliseconds.
11:03 <ConfusionRift> Maybe I never got used it.
11:03 <Cepheid> I'm starting to think it may be interference.
11:04 <Cepheid> 0.34 seconds is very long in terms of response time.
11:04 <Cepheid> Even I'd notice that.
11:04 <ConfusionRift> And that's just snap movements, and not in action.
11:04 <Cepheid> Yeah, I know.
11:04 <Cepheid> I've done snap movement testing to determine the lag difference between game mode on and off.
11:04 <Cepheid> It's quite distinct.
11:05 <Cepheid> I've also done audio tests.
11:05 <Cepheid> It's usually about 250 milliseconds or more of lag.
11:05 <Cepheid> That said, it shouldn't be that high for a wireless controller.
11:06 <ConfusionRift> And I bet if I play the Steam version, while forcing it on 30FPS, it's a fraction of that. And I already tested a PS4 controller on PC, while on a Bluetooth dongle, and it's just as snappy.
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11:08 <Cepheid> I wonder if the PS4 supports controller communication over a wire. If it did, it'd be enough to rule out wireless interference or not.
11:08 <Cepheid> Hmm.
11:08 <ConfusionRift> It works on PC, but the PS4 forces a wireless connection, even with a wire.
11:08 <Cepheid> Huh.
11:09 <ConfusionRift> I had no dongle when I was paying with the controller. I was just using the micro USB cable.
11:09 <ConfusionRift> *playing
11:09 <Cepheid> I'm assuming you've also checked the video settings of the PS4 itself to make sure it's not trying to do something stupid, like set up interlaced mode, but given you're using HDMI on a monitor that seems unlikely.
11:10 <ConfusionRift> I'm using the exact cable I used on the PC.
11:10 <Cepheid> Yeah I know, but the PS4 still has video mode selection and all that.
11:11 <Cepheid> But it seems improbable that Sony would screw that up so badly that they select interlaced mode even on an HDMI monitor.
11:11 <Cepheid> I wish there was a way I could show you that I wasn't bullshitting you with the non-existent lag on my end.
11:12 <ConfusionRift> You're not the only one who have reported no lag.
11:12 <Cepheid> Also, the reason I mentioned testing with a 60 FPS game is to test if it is in fact a visual perception thing.
11:13 <Cepheid> 30 FPS can induce perceived lag because of the fact that it updates at half the refresh rate.
11:13 <Cepheid> You know, the whole "higher refresh rate is better" thing.
11:18 <Cepheid> You know, for such tech savvy people, my parents are idiots when it comes to making sure the electronics don't overheat.
11:19 <Cepheid> They got the TV box, a DVD player, and other high-heat generating components stuffed inside an enclosure, not a cubby, a complete enclosure, all around them.
11:19 <Cepheid> You open the doors, and it just... BAM, wall of heat.
11:23 <ConfusionRift> The same tech savvy of the family who got me on my butt about cyber-security and whatnot is the same person who has 5 different browsers, about 50+ tabs on each, and not anti-virus installed on their computer. Oh, and auto-fill with password remember.
11:23 <Cepheid> Heh.
11:24 <Cepheid> I actually use the last one myself, but the set of passwords is something like 8 different passwords.
11:24 <Cepheid> Plus, the passwords are comprised of certain configurations, so the probability of brute-forcing them is... not very likely.
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11:34 * Cepheid goes and checks out various C#-based games to see what text rendering engines they use.
11:36 <Cepheid> ... Of course, it helps if the games in question don't use Unity.
11:36 <Cepheid> Because that includes it's own text rendering UI.
11:36 <Cepheid> ER, library/assembly/module*
11:36 * Dapper_Dappled chews on the Unity.
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11:42 <ConfusionRift> Well, tried with Battle Garegga. It's an arcade game, so it should be snappy. I get very little improvements. I also tried Ratchet & Clank (PS4 game), and it's the same as BL3. Didn't bother with NFS Heat. If it runs laggy on BL3, it's worse on Heat.
11:42 * Dapper_Dappled headtilts. Why is R&C the same as BL3?
11:43 <Dapper_Dappled> One is distinctly singleplayer.
11:43 <ConfusionRift> In terms of input lag on my side.
11:43 <Dapper_Dappled> Oh.
11:43 <Dapper_Dappled> Okay.
11:44 <Cepheid> I just don't get why you're getting such heavy input lag.
11:45 <ConfusionRift> Now, let me try BL3 on the PC, forced to 30FPS.
11:45 <Cepheid> If it was interference, you'd have problems even with the bluetooth dongle.
11:45 <ConfusionRift> That's the thing. I get no interference, and both devices are in the same room.
11:47 <ConfusionRift> I'm also using DS4Windows, so it has a greater chance to have some input lag on PC, but no. None that I can tell.
11:48 <Cepheid> I'm moderately curious.
11:48 <Cepheid> On the Switch, do you get the input lag when you use the console in handheld mode?
11:57 <ConfusionRift> Let me check.
11:57 <ConfusionRift> Hmmmm... which game though?
11:58 * Dapper_Dappled suggests Hades.
11:58 <ConfusionRift> Blaster Master Zero 1 should have no lag.
11:58 <Cepheid> Try one known to have lag. Didn't you mention Rise having some lag?
11:58 <Cepheid> But yeah.
11:58 <Cepheid> BMZ1 should suffice.
11:58 <Cepheid> It's a 60 FPS game.
11:59 <Cepheid> If it has input lag for you, you'd definitely notice it there.
11:59 <Cepheid> For a 30 FPS game, the Rise demo should suffice.
11:59 <Cepheid> Or heavens forbid Immortals: Fenyx Rising on the Switch(Why?)
12:00 <Dapper_Dappled> Why not?
12:01 <Cepheid> Because that game has trouble running on a PS4 pro or XBox One S.
12:02 <Cepheid> Good game, but gods damn, it's not very optimized.
12:02 * Lumindia_ wonders if dappled is wearing a monocle
12:02 * Lumindia_ also agrees with the suggestion of Hades
12:02 <Lumindia_> 'Dusa best girl
12:02 * Dapper_Dappled stares at his roommate's PS5 copy of Immortals that he has had for more than a month before he finally got a hold of a PS5 that still isn't here yet.
12:02 * Dapper_Dappled wears a monacle and a top hat.
12:03 * Dapper_Dappled is a sucker for a good pun character so of course Dusa is best.
12:03 <Lumindia_> Hades, otherwise known as Frick off dad!
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12:21 * Lumindia_ ties Cyan down
12:21 * Cyan_Spark vibrates against Lumindia
12:22 <ConfusionRift> Alrighty. So, with BMZ1, I had almost no lag on handheld mode with the standard controllers still attached. With the SN30, while in handheld mode, I felt no difference. Now, I did notice a bit more lag when I docked it. But very little difference, and not as bad as the PS4.
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12:25 <Finwe> Messrs ADragonDreaming, Cyan_Spark and Lumindia_.
12:25 * Finwe doffs his hat.
12:25 <Cyan_Spark> Hello Finwe
12:32 * Finwe noms on Cyan_Spark.
12:32 * Schism awakens, and boops the Filly_Nightmares wif a Velvet, or possibly an Arizona.
12:34 <Cepheid> ConfusionRift: SN30?
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12:37 <ConfusionRift> Cepheid: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/711EZobnKiL._SL1500_.jpg
12:38 <ConfusionRift> It's not exactly that one, but it's very much the same.
12:40 * Schism hmms, "Not bad!" She also hums, and provides pones with some spicy chicken ramen.
12:40 <Finwe> o3o
12:40 <ConfusionRift> Because $70 for a controller is a but much.
12:40 <Finwe> I finally finished the palak paneer, so I can go on emptying the pea soup kettle now.
12:41 <ConfusionRift> It works great, it just doesn't have the NFC.
12:45 <ConfusionRift> Oh, and I played some MHR. And... I am NOT gonna play this on handheld mode again.
12:46 * ConfusionRift not gonna start that old tirade of how awful the "D-Pad" on the Switch is.
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13:02 * ConfusionRift flops and goes to sleep. Will check some more later.
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13:04 * Cepheid sighs.
13:04 <Cepheid> Why does the Freetype SDF code result in black being not-black?
13:04 <Cepheid> Or rather, outside is not black, for some reason.
13:08 <Cepheid> I guess this is what I get for using a new feature that isn't ready for release yet.
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13:20 <Cepheid> Man, it'd sure be nice if I could get all the metrics of each glyph in a font in C#.
13:33 <RazorSharpFang> You could P/Invoke
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13:38 <Cepheid> That's true, but P/Invoke is hard to do with FreeType.
13:39 <RazorSharpFang> You could always write a few custom C functions, and then P/Invoke that custom function instead.
13:39 <Cepheid> Huh. Never considered that.
13:40 <RazorSharpFang> I did that once to avoid bashing my head against the INPUT Win32 struct part of the SendInput Win32API in User32.dll
13:43 * Finwe shudders.
13:43 <Cepheid> The core issue of text rendering is that as the resolution increases or decreases, the font pixel size has to increase or decrease along with it, to maintain aspect ratio.
13:43 <Cepheid> Therefore, there's two basic solutions.
13:43 <Cepheid> 1) Simply regenerate the font atlas when the resolution changes, and 2) Use an SDF.
13:44 <RazorSharpFang> Is this for word-wrapping or similar?
13:44 <Cepheid> No, just rendering text, period.
13:44 <RazorSharpFang> Don't you specify font sizes in terms of pixels?
13:44 <Finwe> Is resolution ppi or the total number of pixels?
13:44 <Cepheid> The problem is I'm using OpenGL, which has no concept of fonts.
13:45 <RazorSharpFang> You could always break down a font into a set of polygons and render those polygons instead and get 1fps
13:45 <Cepheid> I need to pack the font graphics into a texture, and then render bits of the texture accordingly when printing out a string.
13:45 <Cepheid> But in order to do all that, I need various metrics of each character.
13:45 <Cepheid> And the font in general.
13:46 <RazorSharpFang> Are you doing OpenGL under a C# context?
13:46 <Cepheid> Yes.
13:46 <RazorSharpFang> Which wrapping library?
13:46 <Cepheid> OpenTK.
13:46 <Cepheid> MonoGame has limitations which bug me.
13:46 <RazorSharpFang> I was about to ask why not Monogame.
13:47 <RazorSharpFang> Which version of .Net are you running?
13:47 <Cepheid> 3.1
13:47 <RazorSharpFang> I'm now running .Net 5 WPF and it's pretty good so far.
13:48 <Cepheid> Yeah, WPF and WinForms have matured quite a bit on .NET Core.
13:48 <Cepheid> Yeah, I know .NET 5 is not called "Core", but it was derived from Core.
13:49 <RazorSharpFang> OpenTK is built on GTK#?
13:49 <Cepheid> But yeah, the Font class of System.Drawing doesn't provide much in the way of metrics info. Just the height of the font with respect to baseline, the ascent, and the descent.
13:50 <Cepheid> No, it's built on GLFW
13:51 * RazorSharpFang was reading an article dated 2013, so maybe it was back then, but not now.
13:52 * Finwe noms on RazorSharpFang's outdated information.
13:52 <RazorSharpFang> Nuuu
13:56 <RazorSharpFang> Have you considered SFML?
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13:58 <Cepheid> The alternative is I go back to C++ and SDL. But yes, SFML might be viable too.
14:01 <Cepheid> Alternatively, I make use of a nuget package that binds FreeType to C#.
14:03 <Cepheid> In any case, it's moot now. I've been at this for 4-5 hours, and I'm exhausted now, so..
14:06 <Cepheid> I woke up way too early, after not enough sleep, so I'm gonna go lay down until classes start.
14:06 <RazorSharpFang> Nap well
14:07 <Cepheid> Not napping. I can't nap. Once awake, I generally stay awake until it's time for bed, regardless of how tired I may be.
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14:07 <LibrarianofHope_> i seem to have Covid
14:07 <LibrarianofHope_> im achey owo
14:09 <LibrarianofHope_> also hungry
14:10 <Cepheid> Can you still smell?
14:10 <LibrarianofHope_> never had good smell
14:11 <LibrarianofHope_> i took a quick test, came positive
14:11 <LibrarianofHope_> i took a pcr test to double check
14:11 <Cepheid> Huh.
14:11 <LibrarianofHope_> and im hiding in my library for good measure
14:13 <LibrarianofHope_> im also in the particularly nice position of my dad knowing a loooot of high level drs
14:13 <LibrarianofHope_> and access to medicine, and insurance,
14:13 <LibrarianofHope_> not conplaining
14:14 <Cepheid> For me, getting tested is pretty straightforward as well.
14:14 <Cepheid> Set up an appointment, go to testing location, get swabbed, done. Wait time is usually about 5-10 minutes at worst.
14:14 <Cepheid> Last one, wait time was 0 minutes.
14:15 <LibrarianofHope_> i still need to work, but i can do it in my library
14:16 <LibrarianofHope_> as soon as i can get rid of my aches ill be peachy
14:17 <Cepheid> At least your aches have a known cause, then. Mine don't. Whatever I got, it's not COVID.
14:17 <Cepheid> That said, do take care of yourself please.
14:17 <LibrarianofHope_> sure owo
14:17 <Cepheid> You should be resting, not working, if you're sick with COVID, but I can't tell you what to do. Just advise.
14:17 <LibrarianofHope_> thank you
14:17 <LibrarianofHope_> its not that hard
14:18 <Cepheid> Still. My job doesn't look hard, it's just typing all day, but it's mentally fatigueing, and despite that, it can still make me feel worse if I do it.
14:18 <LibrarianofHope_> i need to call people to arrange insurance payment and delivery
14:18 <RazorSharpFang> Tomorrow, I want to try embedding an SFML RenderWindow in C# WPF. Let's see if it works.
14:20 <Cepheid> Don't see why it wouldn't.
14:21 <RazorSharpFang> WPF is some black magic.
14:21 <Cepheid> I suspect there would be some issues though with thread synchronization between the UI thread for the WPF window, and the rendering thread for the SFML window.
14:22 <LibrarianofHope_> ill pop back later see ya owo
14:22 <Cepheid> Take care of yerself.
14:28 <Cepheid> Interesting storage depot setup you made, Razor.
14:29 <RazorSharpFang> Storage depot?
14:29 <RazorSharpFang> Ah in Factorio
14:29 <RazorSharpFang> I wanted something that was less... inserter heavy.
14:29 <Cepheid> Fair enough.
14:30 <Cepheid> I'd reduce the size of the coal storage, but uh...
14:30 <Cepheid> It's at more than half capacity now.
14:30 <RazorSharpFang> If only coal could be turned into landfill.
14:33 * Lumindia_ hecks at someone
14:34 <Cepheid> I know of one way to exhaust coal.
14:34 <RazorSharpFang> We are not nuking storage
14:35 <Cepheid> Oh, no.
14:35 <Cepheid> Not that.
14:36 <Cepheid> We create a power grid of items that consume power even when idling, preferably the more power they consume, the better. We then hook up burner turbines to the grid, and burn coal in them.
14:37 <RazorSharpFang> What assemblers consume power when idling?
14:38 <Cepheid> A lot of stuff consumes power when idling, so...
14:38 <Cepheid> Laser turrets consume 24kW when idle.
14:39 <Cepheid> We just need to build enough to consume enough coal.
14:40 <RazorSharpFang> Well, the factory is working at night, so we could just hook up some burners and they'll eat during the night.
14:40 <Cepheid> Alternatively...
14:40 <Cepheid> We hook some burners up to a core driller.
14:40 <RazorSharpFang> I think our problem is actually the coal from the core driller.
14:40 <Cepheid> It is.
14:41 <Cepheid> But the amount of coal we'd get out of the core driller would be far less than what we'd put into it.
14:41 <Cepheid> In fact, I'm gonna go test the idea now.
14:42 <Cepheid> Hmm.
14:43 <Cepheid> In theory we can also use the idea to deal with vulcanite.
14:46 <RazorSharpFang> Yeah, the blocks have fuel-value.
14:52 <Cepheid> Lookit that.
14:53 <Cepheid> Consuming more coal than it's producing.
14:53 <Cepheid> Just barely.
14:54 <Cepheid> Drill is even outputting at full capacity.
14:56 <Cepheid> Let's see what else we can use like this.
14:58 <Cepheid> Beacons draw 200kW of power. I'm not sure if that's when they are feeding something or not.
14:58 <Cepheid> Looks like continuous.
14:58 <Cepheid> Whether it's feeding or not.
15:00 <RazorSharpFang> Yep yep. On a regular big base beacons would be the #1 highest consuming entity type
15:01 <Cepheid> Beacons alone in ours are drawing 84MW.
15:02 <Cepheid> But yeah, 250 beacons alone would be enough to fully load a bunch of burner turbines and consume coal faster than the drillers can provide.
15:03 <Cepheid> In space, it's actually easier.
15:03 <Cepheid> Particle Accelerator has a draw of 3.33MW in idle.
15:04 <Cepheid> On a planet surface though, a core driller is the best for the feedback loop.
15:04 <Cepheid> Probably won't work on a planet who's primary resource is coal, though.
15:08 <RazorSharpFang> Hmmmm
15:08 <Cepheid> At the least, it stoppped the bot swarm from that coal pickup you had set up.
15:10 <Cepheid> In any case, done for now.
15:10 <Cepheid> Body just isn't up to the task.
15:10 <Schism> That feeling when you get a long call right before break...
15:11 <Cepheid> Next thing I need to work on is Space Oil.
15:11 <Cepheid> Getting tired of shipping light oil, heavy oil, gas and lubricant up there.
15:11 <Cepheid> It'd be better if I could just ship coal and water ice.
15:14 <RazorSharpFang> We could colanise a planet for ryonite
15:14 <Cepheid> Again, we got an asteroid belt mining water ice.
15:14 <Cepheid> Hell it even has Methane Ice.
15:15 <RazorSharpFang> Not infinite, not going to last.
15:15 <Cepheid> 1 water ice is worth 100 water, and water ice stacks to 200, so a stack of water ice is 20000 water.
15:16 <Cepheid> As for it not lasting, you got me there.
15:16 <Cepheid> We can at least mine cryonite effectively indefinitely using core drillers.
15:18 <Cepheid> Methane Ice is basically an alternative to using coal for liquifaction.
15:18 <Cepheid> Combined with some other components, it results in 1000 crude oil.
15:19 <RazorSharpFang> Ah, so methane-ice is a bit of misnomer.
15:19 <Cepheid> It's first put through a chem lab to create methane gas.
15:19 <Schism> I was going to say, long hydrocarbon chains don't seem very likely to happen without bacteria and the like...
15:20 <Cepheid> Then methane gas is combined with Nutrient Gel I think.
15:20 <Cepheid> And the output is 1000 crude oil.
15:20 <Cepheid> Seems like a pain, though, and liquifaction seems simpler to implement.
15:21 <Cepheid> Just coal, water, and heavy oil. Once it's kick-started, the oil it produces is self-sustaining for it's needs.
15:24 <Cepheid> It's actually coal, heavy oil, steam. My mistake. Still though.
15:24 <RazorSharpFang> I presume there's no way to get methane-ice from a core driller of any sort
15:24 <Cepheid> Net result is 65 heavy oil, 25 light oil, 10 petrol gas.
15:25 <Cepheid> If there is, I haven't seen a planet with it.
15:25 <RazorSharpFang> We could always transport coal and water-ice to space.
15:25 <Cepheid> Yeah I don't see core fragment "Methane Ice"
15:25 <Cepheid> That's what I did in the past when I was dealing with the genetics path of research.
15:26 <Cepheid> It's just the setup I made was hap-hazard.
15:26 <Cepheid> It's not well-designed.
15:28 <Cepheid> 100 biosludge and 1000 methane gas. Results in... 80 biosludge, 10 contaminated biosludge, and 1000 crude. Biosludge is not easy to make.
15:28 <RazorSharpFang> I'm thinking we can start production of some space rails perhaps.
15:29 <Cepheid> That'd be possible, yeah.
15:31 <Cepheid> Hmm.
15:31 <Cepheid> There may actually be a complete cycle for creating biosludge, but it's dependent a bit on probability.
15:32 <RazorSharpFang> Probability shmlolobility. We have productivity.
15:32 <Cepheid> True.
15:34 <Cepheid> It's extremely complex though. I'd have to spend some time with pencil, paper, a calculator, and an impossible triangle.
15:37 <RazorSharpFang> I'm an empiricist. I'd just make a setup, run it and see what we end up with.
15:38 <Cepheid> In any case, using biosludge for oil seems like a poor trade for now.
15:38 <Cepheid> We got more coal than we know what to do with, so we might as well use it.
16:03 <RazorSharpFang> Off to sleep good night
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16:21 <LibrarianofHope> am i on?
16:21 <Lumindia_> no
16:21 <Lumindia_> :3
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16:22 <Lumindia_> I was kidding
16:22 <Lumindia_> I was kidding you heck!
16:22 <LibrarianofHope> owo
16:22 <LibrarianofHope> comedic timing
16:22 <LibrarianofHope> it went off on its own
16:25 <LibrarianofHope> my library is so cluttered
16:25 <LibrarianofHope> owo
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16:29 * Cepheid reads about some bodies floating in the water. "Hey Schism, you recognize any of these bodies?"
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16:35 <LibrarianofHope> bleh
16:35 <LibrarianofHope> its so cluttered now, i hate cluuter
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17:26 * Finwe hats on LibrarianofHope.
17:30 <Schism> I don't recognize the bodies floating in the water.
17:31 * LibrarianofHope throws clutter at finwe
17:31 <ADragonDreaming> I am the bodies floating in the water.
17:35 <Schism> "In your own words, describe yourself." "I like big buttes and I cannot lie."
17:37 <Finwe> Only my modesty rivals my excellence.
17:40 <Schism> Cepheid: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/nacho-business
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17:46 <Cepheid> I'm not sure what's going on with me today, it's probably just exhaustion, but guh, my left arm.
17:47 <Cepheid> Feels like someone's stretching it.
17:47 <Cepheid> It's painful, so I can't get any more sleep.
17:49 <Cepheid> Could be related to the pulled muscle I have though. It actually got worse overnight.
17:54 <LibrarianofHope> i will eat pizza
17:54 <LibrarianofHope> cause heck it, i have Covid, i nom goof
17:55 <Cepheid> Definitely from the pulled muscle. Some stretches I did helped.
17:55 * Finwe tucks LibrarianofHope to bed and quarantines him.
17:55 <LibrarianofHope> im in my library
17:55 <LibrarianofHope> owo
17:56 <Finwe> Where I left last night, the Librarian was hiding in the Tower of Art with all the books.
17:56 <LibrarianofHope> different Librarian
17:56 <Finwe> And he sent Rincewind to deal with the sourceror.
17:56 <LibrarianofHope> i have squigs
17:56 <LibrarianofHope> i can send them
17:56 <Finwe> Are they oolated?
17:57 <LibrarianofHope> a squig horde can deal with must stuff
17:57 <LibrarianofHope> more like angry
17:57 <LibrarianofHope> and mushroom insane
17:57 <Finwe> Oolated squiggs are best squiggs.
17:57 * LibrarianofHope throws squig at Finwe
17:58 <LibrarianofHope> https://www.instagram.com/p/CKeJ6LVHCqz/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
17:59 <Finwe> Throw the rotten thing back or I'll oolate you where you stand!
17:59 <LibrarianofHope> nuuu
17:59 <LibrarianofHope> i have 30 of them
18:00 <Finwe> https://reviewordie.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/10-oolated-luck.jpg
18:00 <Cepheid> You know what monster would strangely fit Monster Hunter?
18:00 <Cepheid> Godzilla, or any of the other Godzilla monsters.
18:01 <LibrarianofHope> too big
18:01 <LibrarianofHope> and way too powerful for a hunter
18:01 <Cepheid> There was a walking volcano as a monster in World.
18:01 <LibrarianofHope> godzilla has radioactive breath
18:01 <Finwe> A terentatek or whatever the most monstrous monster of KotOR was called.
18:01 <Cepheid> Yeah, this walking volcano had a firebomb attack that killed players.
18:02 <LibrarianofHope> Kotor?
18:02 <LibrarianofHope> a krait dragon?
18:02 <Cepheid> And laser beam weapons aren't unexpected in Monster Hunter.
18:02 <Finwe> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Terentatek
18:02 <LibrarianofHope> ill give you that
18:02 <Cepheid> There's actually a monster that is legitimately designed after Saiyans from Dragon Ball.
18:03 <Cepheid> And it in fact has a Super Saiyan form, and is even crippled in the SAME WAY.
18:03 <LibrarianofHope> monsters are suppusoed to be bio weapons anyway
18:03 <Finwe> Krait dragon was the large thingy living in a cave on Tatooine, roight?
18:03 <LibrarianofHope> yeah
18:03 <LibrarianofHope> they left it dead, it was too hard
18:03 <ADragonDreaming> "Radioactive breath" -> I mean, Vaal Hazak breathes poison fungus spores. Fatalis breathes effectively plasma.
18:03 <Cepheid> More or less.
18:04 <Cepheid> Hell, Fatalis' breath is so destructive it melts steel beams.
18:04 <ADragonDreaming> Godzilla would fit in.
18:04 <LibrarianofHope> i dont think toei would like that
18:04 <LibrarianofHope> having a bunch of humans kill godzilla
18:04 <Cepheid> And yet, they have had crossovers.
18:04 <Schism> Let's not forget about Jet Engine Dragon.
18:04 <Cepheid> Well, it doesn't need to be KILL.
18:04 <LibrarianofHope> maybe a repulsion quest
18:04 <Cepheid> It can be a repel.
18:04 <Cepheid> And they have had just pure repels.,
18:05 <Cepheid> The normal and AT version of Kulve Taroth was just "Break off the horns"
18:05 <Cepheid> You didn't kill her.
18:05 <Schism> "Yay! We've driven off Zorah Magdaros!"
18:05 <Cepheid> So you could put Godzilla monsters in. Just change them according to whether they were an antagonist or "good monster"
18:06 <Cepheid> If they were on Godzilla's side at any point, it's a repel.
18:06 <Cepheid> If they were defeated by Godzilla and other helping monsters, then it's a kill quest.
18:06 <Cepheid> Oh my gods I just thought of the most terrifying setup.
18:06 <Cepheid> See, there's Fatalis, Crimson Fatalis, and White Fatalis.
18:06 <Cepheid> Three-headed Fatalis that spews lightning everywhere, with a black, red and white head.
18:06 <Schism> < Quest Initiated: Hunt or Capture Mothra >
18:07 <Cepheid> But yeah. Kaiju-sized monsters are rare, but not unexpected.
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18:07 <Cepheid> There was one monster in Frontier that boggled the mind.
18:07 <Cepheid> Raviente.
18:07 <LibrarianofHope> Its just werid to think a bunch of cavepunk guys bringing down godzilla of all things
18:07 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeqS4YypSjc
18:07 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
18:07 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about MHF Monster Hunter Frontier Season7.0 Raviente
18:08 <Cepheid> Not the highest quality, but gets the point across.
18:08 <Cepheid> It's worth noting LibrarianofHope, that Fatalis, the end-boss of World, is described as so incredibly powerful it destroyed, singlehandedly, an entire country.
18:09 <Cepheid> An entire country of hunters couldn't stop it. But somehow, four idiots a few generations later can.
18:09 <LibrarianofHope> never got to fight it
18:09 <Cepheid> I've poked it.
18:09 <Cepheid> It's pain incarnate.
18:11 <Cepheid> Among things hunters are known to be able to survive...
18:12 <Cepheid> Beams of electricity. Meteors. Rocket impacts. Electrocution. Acid. Lava bombs. Paralysis which should prevent a hunter from breathing. Poison that I assume would be agonizing to deal with in the real world. Being slimed.
18:12 <Cepheid> Giant mechs.
18:12 <Cepheid> That last one sounds like a joke, but it's not.
18:13 <Cepheid> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFZnI4csT1w
18:13 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
18:13 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate: Ahtal-Ka G-Rank Final Boss Fight
18:13 <LibrarianofHope> giant mech
18:13 <Cepheid> Skip to about 2:40
18:13 <Cepheid> Oh, and dubstep drops.
18:14 <Cepheid> Can't forget the dubstep drops.
18:14 <LibrarianofHope> tha could prove the monsters are weapons things
18:14 <Finwe> Hmm, I do have KotOR installed on my other computer.
18:15 <Cepheid> It has yet to be expressly stated where the monsters come from, I believe.
18:16 <LibrarianofHope> i read some game alluded to them being weapons, and hunters supersoldiers
18:16 <LibrarianofHope> i dont think its cannon
18:16 <Finwe> Or I could try and run it on this one with Wine.
18:19 <LibrarianofHope> i cramped here
18:19 <LibrarianofHope> im
18:20 <LibrarianofHope> an my doggie girl is used to being at my feet
18:20 <LibrarianofHope> so fluffy
18:24 <LibrarianofHope> lunch time owo
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19:32 <Cepheid> I feel like garbage today. Between not being able to turn my head to the extreme right or left, my left arm is doing this funky thing where it feels like it's being stretched.
19:42 <Cepheid> ... Okay, I should not have gotten a perfect mark on my assignment.
20:02 <Cepheid> Oh gods damnit we're using another unvetted system for e-proctoring this semester.
20:02 <Cepheid> And it involves installing software on my PC.
20:02 <Cepheid> Yaaaay for invasion of privacy.
20:03 <AppleDash> Just use a VM; that's what I am intending to do
20:03 <Cepheid> Yeah I think I will.
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20:05 <Cepheid> I can't even find any information on the software.
20:05 <Cepheid> It's called CoMaS.
20:06 * Ali flops over AppleDash just cause
20:07 * AppleDash hugs Ali
20:07 * Ali puts a Tia kitty on AppleDash
20:08 <Ali> She's being a little whiny butt
20:16 * Schism looks at the 50-piece tupperware set her brother bought. "Okay. That should keep us going for a while, I daresay."
20:18 <Cepheid> Oh gods damnit.
20:18 <Cepheid> The CoMaS software is something homebrewed by the university.
20:18 <Cepheid> That makes it about as trustworthy as a rickety rope bridge.
20:19 <Cepheid> Either that, or it's made by some unknown company who's website I cannot access.
20:20 <Schism> Vm go brrrrr.
20:20 <Schism> I mean, for heavens' sake. Why the hell would they do something like that.
20:21 <Cepheid> Because it's Carleton University.
20:21 <Schism> Are SharePoint and Teams too complicated for them to figure out?
20:21 <Cepheid> And Zoom, yes.
20:22 <Cepheid> They're still using a system that uses TLS 1.0 or 1.1, which have been deprecated, to the point of being disabled in browsers.
20:22 <Schism> Then maybe they shouldn't be teaching technological skills.
20:22 <Cepheid> So when I try to access certain parts of their website, I have to tell the browser to enable TLS 1.0 and TLS 1.1
20:22 <Cepheid> Otherwise, the site won't function.
20:24 * Cepheid wanders off to make something to eat before next lecture.
20:25 * Schism suggests some peanut butter on celery.
20:26 * Ali flops over the Schism
20:27 * Schism offers the Ali a nice sweet clementine orange, and then rolls back to work.
20:28 <AppleDash> Cepheid: I found an SQL injection vuln in the website of the university I am going to for CompSci :-)
20:32 <LibrarianofHope> i do in fact have covid owo
20:32 <LibrarianofHope> tests came in
20:32 <Cepheid> Heh.
20:32 <LibrarianofHope> im a plague vector
20:32 <LibrarianofHope> heck me
20:33 <Cepheid> I'm not into security stuff and breaking security, but the university doesn't give me the best impression of CompSec understanding. They employ students for their IT department, and the entire Comp Sci department is crammed in with the math and physics departments because they can't afford to give those departments their own buildings.
20:33 <Cepheid> Can afford to build brand new buildings five or six levels high for business students though.
20:34 <AppleDash> :(
20:35 <Cepheid> That said, do take what I say with a grain of salt. I am knowingly biased against the university, to an extreme degree.
20:35 <AppleDash> Fair enough
20:39 <Cepheid> Though, I suppose the whole "Using outdated technologies" thing can just be verified by someone of your expertise.
20:44 <Cepheid> So, fun little tidbit from yesterday that I forgot to mention.
20:44 <Cepheid> Spitfire decided that I was too stressed out from the lecture, that DURING the lecture, he popped in and curled up on my lap, in front of everyone.
20:44 <Ali> Cat do cat things
20:47 <Cepheid> Not normally one to climb onto me during a lecture though.
20:47 <Cepheid> If anything he attacks my arm usually.
20:53 <Finwe> o3o
20:54 <Finwe> I start playing Knights of the Old Republic, and what happens?
20:54 <Cepheid> No idea.
20:54 <Finwe> After landing on the first planet in an escape pod I start looking around and talking to people.
20:55 <Finwe> The janitor: "Are you stuck here because of the quarantine?"
20:55 <Cepheid> Heh.
20:55 <Finwe> Indeed.
21:02 <LibrarianofHope> i have the plague , but i got new shoes
21:02 <LibrarianofHope> weird day
21:03 <LibrarianofHope> i need a plague doctor mask
21:06 <LibrarianofHope> shoes are quite nice
21:06 <LibrarianofHope> comfy
21:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Makenshi: Rarity Music: Nyancat380 - Spiritual Successor to _RARITY [Glitch-Hop/Dubstep] [ https://tinyurl.com/yb5onwab ]
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21:10 <PinkieShy> Hihi :D
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22:09 <Cepheid> Good gods my left arm is bothering the hell out of me.
22:10 <LibrarianofHope> im sneezy
22:11 <LibrarianofHope> shoes are still quite comfy
22:18 * Schism looks at Stardew Valley -- the board game.
22:18 <LibrarianofHope> that sounds intersting
22:19 <Ali> The...board game?
22:19 <Schism> Yup. https://www.stardewvalley.net/blog/
22:19 <Schism> Or https://www.dropbox.com/s/n3x4p8nw2yr1a3j/Stardew%20Rules%20for%20Download.pdf?dl=0
22:20 * Ali wunts
22:20 <LibrarianofHope> looks cute
22:20 <LibrarianofHope> lacks minis
22:21 <LibrarianofHope> could use some ultramarines owo
22:21 * LibrarianofHope hides
22:21 * Ali hisses
22:24 <LibrarianofHope> has skellies
22:24 <LibrarianofHope> ratlee ratlee
22:34 <Schism> BC farmer finds a lynx which kiled his chickens. So he picks up the lynx by the scruff of the neck, scolds it, and then lets it go.
22:40 <Cepheid> Heh.
22:41 <Cepheid> Not a safe thing to do, them cats have big paws with which to strike.
22:47 <Cepheid> My cat's tail is the peak interest of today's class.
22:55 * Dapper_Dappled grumbles. Is about 100K from getting the flag he wants in Sea of Thieves but only has 6 days. Must balance, work, sleep, and game. And the game will lose to the other 2 100% of the time.
22:58 * Dapper_Dappled can only hope that he can find some kind player to leech off of before the end.
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22:58 <Cepheid> Sacrifices, sacrifices.
23:01 <Dapper_Dappled> At least it's only one faction instead of going for the 5 that were available. I already managed 2, 1 doesn't interest me, and one I don't have access to cause it requires me to be higher rank than I can manage in the time frame.
23:07 * Schism offers Dappled a liverwurst sandwich.
23:08 * Dapper_Dappled munches as he gets ready for work.
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23:15 * Schism also offers LibrarianofHope some chilaquiles with salsa verde and refried beans.
23:18 <LibrarianofHope> i havent actually eaten
23:18 <LibrarianofHope> had pizza earlier, so im not very hungry yert
23:21 * Dapper_Dappled swears if he ever gets to the point he's willing to be so obnoxious as to bring a speaker to work like some of his co-workers he's going to blare songs like The Chemical Worker's Song.
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23:44 <LibrarianofHope> blast mariachi
23:44 <LibrarianofHope> out of place its very cinfuing
23:44 <LibrarianofHope> confusing
23:54 <Lumindia_> That's not Mariachi!
23:54 <Lumindia_> </jontron>
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