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00:08 <LibrarianofHope> bleh
00:08 <LibrarianofHope> felt really tired for a sec there
00:08 <LibrarianofHope> medicines kicked in
00:15 <LibrarianofHope> ok this is just ridicolous
00:16 <LibrarianofHope> i have even more work now
00:16 <LibrarianofHope> and yet another person has covid here
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01:06 * PinkieShy chuckles
01:06 * Ali nuu's and clings onto PinkieShy
01:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Say Something Nice About Babs Seed [ https://tinyurl.com/ya5rsqyj ]
01:08 * Filly_Nightmares purrs and scoots around and stuffs mango into her floof!
01:08 * Filly_Nightmares eee at Ali and mango and envelopes Ali head in her floof!
01:09 * Ali squeaks and grumps
01:09 * Filly_Nightmares nom nom nom Ali war!
01:09 * Filly_Nightmares noms ears!
01:09 * Filly_Nightmares hungry at Ali!
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07:36 <ConfusionRift> Hello everypony.
07:39 * Ali flops over ConfusionRift
07:39 * ConfusionRift huggles Ali.
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08:53 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/MTP263g ...
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08:53 <Cepheid> Also, morning.
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08:54 <Ali> Really, jumping into 10 day old snow on the side of the road. They have a death wish huh?
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08:54 * ConfusionRift felt that. Ouuuuhhhhhh!
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08:56 <Cepheid> I'll be honest, if you've never seen snow before, then I can understand why you'd think that's safe to do.
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08:57 <Cepheid> Plus, snow is commonly depicted as fluffy, enough to survive falls from certain heights without injury, etc.
08:57 <ConfusionRift> I should point out... it does snow in Texas. Sometimes, at really strange times, but it has snow.
08:58 <ConfusionRift> So... I really don't get it.
08:58 <ConfusionRift> Alas, what doesn't kill, makes you stronger... and teaches you a great lesson in paaaaiiiiiiin.
09:00 <Cepheid> Yep.
09:01 * ConfusionRift adds the Super Mario Sunshine death chime.
09:05 <Cepheid> So GCC is finally potentially getting a flag to auto-initialize variables. About danged time.
09:05 <ConfusionRift> ...heh?
09:06 <Cepheid> In C and C++, variables are left uninitialized for the sake of performance. This can have some consequences on the security front.
09:06 <Cepheid> Also application bug front.
09:07 <Cepheid> The reason for leaving them uninitialized is for performance reasons, but I'm not entirely sure the pros outweigh the cons.
09:07 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/aNzjhk9
09:15 <ConfusionRift> 1) Okay, I can kinda see how the glass walls would work, but yeah, not great. 2) The paper holding toilet seat is asking for trouble... and a mess. 3) I see no reason to have a corner sink in the middle like that. (And what's up with the thin cabinet on the far left?) 4) ...SKIP! This angers me! 5) They were trying to be a little too creative. 6) That looks awesome... but why in the bathroom? 7) No. Why cushioning like that?
09:15 <ConfusionRift> Were they Nerf'ing everything?
09:18 <Cepheid> The rock toilet is something else.
09:19 <ConfusionRift> 8) The Throne Room! 9) I know how it feels to scrape skin off after slipping on the beach on a set of rocks, and this reminded me of it. 10) The Lesser Throne Room 11) "Welcome to the 80's!" It hurts my eyes. 12) Anti-drunk doorway. 13) Someone dropped a post in the house, too expensive to remove, now a set piece.
09:21 * Filly_Nightmares floof
09:22 <ConfusionRift> 14) The design inspiration was "there's a mouse behind the fridge, and need to deal with it". 15) This one's gonna smell bad forever. Just... no. Plush carpeting? Really? There?!
09:23 <ConfusionRift> Oh god! The washer in the bathroom!!!
09:23 <ConfusionRift> And the active cords on the floor of it!
09:24 <ConfusionRift> "So you can take a deuce on the way out."
09:25 <ConfusionRift> These are all cursed and give me anxiety. ._.
09:25 <ConfusionRift> Okay, i have seen the blinds shower cover somewhere before.
09:27 * ConfusionRift laughs at the bathroom covered in tiles.
09:30 <Cepheid> Heh.
09:38 <ConfusionRift> !link https://youtu.be/fB-GQU25NNo?t=166 This is all I can see after taking a shower in that bathroom.
09:38 <DerpyBot> I need to ask Twilight about that one.
09:38 <DerpyBot> Twilight told me this video is about Tom and Jerry Episode 85 Mice Follies Part 1
09:39 <ConfusionRift> For about an hour, before just giving up and just rolling my way out.
09:40 * ConfusionRift will not comment on the sink with legs.
09:44 <Cepheid> The sink with legs was clearly the part of a bathroom at a fine gentlemanly establishment.
09:44 <ConfusionRift> Dood, the foot traffic there makes it look like a truck stop. :P
09:45 <ConfusionRift> Then again, some... gentlemanly establishments are like that with their restrooms.
09:45 <Cepheid> Heh.
09:46 * Cepheid moves old server machine downstairs, where it's noise will never drive her up a wall again.
09:47 <Cepheid> At some future date I may move the rest of the network stuff down there as well, because quite frankly I'm tired of seeing blinken lights and LEDs from routers, modems, and so on in my room.
09:48 * ConfusionRift is used to the noise and lights.
09:48 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/Hvi6KIX
09:48 <Cepheid> I can't tune out the noise, and the lights bug me when they're blue lights.
09:49 <ConfusionRift> But not our server, hell no. That's a jet turbine in action.
09:49 <Cepheid> Of which every damned light in this room is, apparently.
09:49 <Cepheid> Yeah, the server I use has become quite audible as of late, I think the fans might be wearing out from running 24/7 already.
09:52 <ConfusionRift> Also, I believe most of those quotes. :P
09:54 <Cepheid> Same.
09:54 <Cepheid> I suspect they're just cases of "I wanted to say something different for a change."
09:54 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/AI5GKf9
09:56 <ConfusionRift> 0_0
09:56 <ConfusionRift> "Do NOT attempt any of these!"
09:57 <Cepheid> I know nothing about cars, and even I know 99.999% of these are wrong.
09:57 <ConfusionRift> The first comment. :P
09:58 <Cepheid> I didn't even need to see that.
09:58 <Cepheid> I'm stupid, not an idiot.
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09:59 <ConfusionRift> "Thanks, Satan."
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10:00 <Cepheid> https://imgur.com/gallery/Tk6hvi9 Joking aside, that's a good violinist.
10:02 <Cepheid> ...
10:02 <ConfusionRift> That's really good.
10:02 <Cepheid> Something just fell downstairs, not sure what, but it was loud.
10:02 <ConfusionRift> 0_0
10:03 <Cepheid> It was a cat.
10:03 <ConfusionRift> ...of course.
10:03 <Cepheid> Let's go find out what happened, even though I don't want to.
10:03 <ConfusionRift> Actually, be back in a bit.
10:05 <Cepheid> So there's a problem.
10:05 <Cepheid> I can't find the source of the noise, and assuming it was a cat, it was a non-existent cat.
10:05 <Cepheid> Both cats are upstairs. What I heard came from downstairs.
10:06 <Cepheid> And it wasn't a case of them running upstairs or anything. Tizzy was sleeping.
10:08 <ConfusionRift> And back. Also... hmmmmmm.
10:09 <Cepheid> Probably icicle falling.
10:10 <Cepheid> We've got a few hanging off the ceiling of the house, some of them massive mother- massive. Just massive.
10:14 <Cepheid> Oooh.
10:14 <Cepheid> Capcom's started to release the Rise soundtrack early.
10:15 <Cepheid> So, the Shrine battle theme is called Sanctuary Abandoned by the Gods.
10:16 <Cepheid> Alas, the soundtrack only includes six tracks currently, which amounts to what's heard in the demo.
10:17 <Cepheid> Though it does include the Rise version of Proof of a Hero.
10:17 <Cepheid> I wonder if that was ever meant to become the defining track of the series.
10:19 <ConfusionRift> Considering it's in every game, likely. :P
10:20 <Cepheid> True.
10:20 * Cepheid hums. Checks latency to the server downstairs, now that she's no longer next to it.
10:21 <Cepheid> Despite the distance, latency is...
10:21 <Cepheid> 8 to 12 milliseconds.
10:22 <Cepheid> Minimum 6.8, maximum 12.8, average 8.6. Not bad.
10:22 <Cepheid> Especially since it's on wifi.
10:24 <Cepheid> Yeah, that's creepy as hell, the performance with the game itself is identical despite the increased distance.
10:43 <Finwe> Good afternoon, everypony!
10:44 <Finwe> Lt Cdr ConfusionRift, Capt Koopz; Miss Filly_Nightmares, Mr Cepheid.
10:44 <Finwe> o7
10:44 <ConfusionRift> RAdm. Finwe. (salutes)
10:45 <Cepheid> So, any thoughts on the latest Rise trailer besides "ROCK MONSTA!"?
10:47 <Finwe> None whatsoever.
10:50 <ConfusionRift> Not much, really. I feel my previous issues with the demo will remain. Maybe it'll change, but have my doubts. The shrine shown during the rampage attack looks very familiar for some reason. I also feel this game, because of the new mechanics, will take platforming into consideration.
10:51 <ConfusionRift> Or more the case of "watch your footing and terrain".
10:51 <Cepheid> Fair enough.
10:51 <Cepheid> Still wish I knew what was up with your input lag. The only thing that remains that I can think of is wireless interference.
10:52 * Dapper_Dappled chews on the latency.
10:53 <ConfusionRift> It's not much about the input lag, and more how the game is gonna be. I heard the old style of armor designs is back, which is good. Just wondering about the story and such.
10:54 <ConfusionRift> And how bad the grinding is gonna be.
10:55 <Cepheid> I think it's closer to the World styling for armors, that is, Alpha and Beta, with different appearances. Armor skills are the same as World, though.
10:55 <Cepheid> It's been confirmed.
10:55 <ConfusionRift> Also wondering about the stats, which I still think it's gonna be back to old school.
10:56 <Cepheid> Skills, it's not going back to oldschool.
10:56 <Cepheid> The UI makes it look like it is, because they went back to the old grid display for skill points.
10:56 <Cepheid> But the skill points are all World-styled. That is, you have a charm that gives +1 to a skill, then that +1 will DO something.
10:57 <ConfusionRift> Did they split armor classes?
10:57 <Cepheid> Not as far as I can tell.
10:57 <Cepheid> No information has been forthcoming about that.
10:57 <ConfusionRift> I have a feeling they did.
10:57 <Cepheid> But after doing away with it in World, it seems like a dick move to bring it back.
10:57 <Cepheid> I'm... not so sure.]
10:57 <Cepheid> There's one video clip that caught my attention with regards to that.
10:58 <Cepheid> It showed a blademaster, same gender, using two different appearance sets of armor.
10:58 <ConfusionRift> As a blademaster.
10:58 <Cepheid> Yeah.
10:58 <Cepheid> So using melee weapons.
10:59 <Cepheid> It's likely going to be the World approach. Alpha and Beta sets.
10:59 <ConfusionRift> You're confirming this. By armor split, I meant blademaster and gunner, not gender.
10:59 <Cepheid> ...
10:59 <Cepheid> You misunderstand.
10:59 <Cepheid> I still use the class names regardless of the armor splits.
11:00 <Cepheid> Blademaster refers to any melee weapon, while gunner refers to any ranged weapon. Even in World, where the distinction with respect to Armor is nil.
11:00 <Cepheid> It's a force of habit.
11:01 <Koopz> RAdm. Finwe o7
11:02 <Cepheid> https://twitter.com/MH_Rise_JP/status/1360413441895276546 This demonstrates an armor on male and female, normally they show one with a ranged weapon, and one melee weapon. This appears to be both melee weapons.
11:04 <ConfusionRift> Okay, let me retrace. Back then, armors were split into blademaster sets and gunner sets. Yes, you did say that it's likely going to be the case of Alpha and Beta. My issue came to be when I was playing as a gunner, and noticed a substantial defense drop. It could be they were just using sets that harnessed range weapons, which often had lower defense. OR, like back then, gunner armor sets have lower defense, whereas blademaster
11:04 <ConfusionRift> sets have more.
11:05 <Cepheid> Rifty.
11:05 <Cepheid> I'm from the Tri era.
11:06 <Cepheid> Anyways..
11:06 <Cepheid> Yes, World did have the slight difference.
11:06 <Cepheid> Defense drop for gunners.
11:06 <Cepheid> But they had an elemental resistance boost in return.
11:06 <Cepheid> Which, ultimately, is better than the original approach.
11:06 <Cepheid> Forcing gunners to explicitly use gunner armor, and vice versa.
11:07 <Cepheid> Which I don't think they intend to go back to.
11:07 <ConfusionRift> Yeah... I really didn't miss any of that. I guess I had whiplash while I was playing it.
11:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Morning Discussion #2216 [ https://tinyurl.com/ybcb5z6l ]
11:09 <Cepheid> It introduced a great barrier and made certain weapons less used by a long shot.
11:09 <Cepheid> They seem more interested in letting players "play the game"
11:09 <Cepheid> Even if they did bring it back, there's a tidbit of information that caught my attention from IGN.
11:10 <ConfusionRift> Oh, and the "I heard the old style of armor designs is back" was more the case of more creative looking armor and weapons. Not the same boring looking thing with a few different colored tufts or a different color.
11:10 <Cepheid> Oh, right.
11:10 <Cepheid> Anyhoo, with regards to that tidbit of info..
11:10 <Cepheid> Apparently, Capcom's reducing the grind a bit.
11:11 <Cepheid> The number of items required to make a given piece of gear is not going to be as bad as it was with World.
11:11 <Cepheid> World had a bit of an issue with that. Especially regarding some of the higher-tier armors.
11:11 <Cepheid> I mean for ****s sake, 15 golden spiralhorn+?
11:13 <ConfusionRift> Nothing will compare to before Tri and 3U.
11:13 <Cepheid> I won't deny that, yeah.
11:14 <Cepheid> But the 15 Spiralhorn+ was something special to acquire.
11:14 <Cepheid> Because it required first off, fighting Master Rank Kulve Taroth.
11:14 <Cepheid> Secondly, it required a horn break and/or sever.
11:14 <Cepheid> Which is incredibly hard to do.
11:14 <Cepheid> If anything, it's the one area where gunners shine.
11:15 <ConfusionRift> Let's not just add random drop by breaking a specific part. How about getting something that has a random appearance, which has a random chance of being the thing you need, and requiring a better tool to get it? Oh, and they're specific to one area.
11:15 <ConfusionRift> Yeah, that... I don't see myself getting through that siege mess.
11:16 <ConfusionRift> Wait, no, MR, still that is another mess.
11:17 <ConfusionRift> You have to worry about changing elements, specific attacks by specific conditions, other attacks by a specific health, attacking specific points to break parts for specific drops, etc.
11:17 <Cepheid> The elements aren't as critical as implied.
11:17 <Cepheid> But yes, that is a thing you do. It's honestly more fun than I give it.
11:18 <Cepheid> I like the Kulve battle, even the seige version.
11:18 <Cepheid> Now...
11:18 <Cepheid> Alatreon. That's just a major ****-up by Capcom.
11:18 <Cepheid> Even Fatalis is better.
11:19 <Cepheid> I'm reaching a point where I'm debating just SOSing or joining someone elses' Alatreon hunts in an attempt to complete even one, just to say I did it. Normally I'd wait for ADra, but our schedules are a bit mucked up right now.
11:20 <ConfusionRift> Oh yeah! I forgot a fatal flaw in material collecting. The fact that 90% of the tools break. That is one thing I truly don't miss at all. Having three different nets and pickaxes to gather material, and having said materials occupy your pocket space.
11:21 <Cepheid> Oh yes.
11:21 <Cepheid> The tool breakage.
11:21 <Cepheid> Also, the time it takes to harvest can be a butt.
11:21 <Cepheid> However, Rise fixes *THAT*, so... moot now.
11:22 <ConfusionRift> The worst part? Breaks were a probability. I have had all my expensive pickaxes break one after the other.
11:22 <Cepheid> Yep.
11:22 <ConfusionRift> Just... anyways...
11:22 <Cepheid> The replacement by the way is "Just tap the damned thing and go."
11:22 <Cepheid> It collects everything in one go now.
11:22 <ConfusionRift> And materials go into a separate pouch.
11:23 <ConfusionRift> Well, essentials do.
11:23 * Cepheid looks at space base in Factorio. Ponders how to clean it up, as it's a danged mess.
11:23 <Cepheid> ...
11:23 <Cepheid> Why is there two biochem facilities making water?
11:23 <Cepheid> I legitimately do not know why there are two. It even says I was the one to place it, so..
11:24 * ConfusionRift shrugs.
11:25 * Cepheid makes more logistics bots for the platform.
11:25 <Cepheid> The extreme cost of belts and piping is making more economical to actually produce a fluid, push it into an assembler, barrel it up, and either log bot it around, or belt it around.
11:40 <Cepheid> Hum. What can petrol gas be used for..?
11:42 <Cepheid> It can be used for solid fuel, which has a fuel valie of...
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11:43 <Cepheid> 12MJ. Which will be consumed by a turbine generator at a rate of 2.35MJ/sec, if I got this right.
11:43 * Golden flops upset. Xfinity cut off the wifi before he could see the post credits scene for the Seventh Astral Era Scenario for base FFXIV.
11:43 <Cepheid> Oof.
11:44 <Cepheid> Can't use the thing in the Inn to view it?
11:46 <Cepheid> Hum, 5.11 seconds to consume a solid fuel at full load.
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11:48 <RazorSharpFang> Heys Cepheid. Happy to report success embedding an SFML RenderWindow in WPF.
11:48 <Cepheid> Not bad.
11:49 * Filly_Nightmares snugglies into Cepheid for warms and yawnskree
11:49 * Filly_Nightmares kneads RazorSharpFang floof too!
11:49 <RazorSharpFang> I need to do some timing work on the Dispatcher to get the FPS stable though.
11:50 * Filly_Nightmares clutchies Golden tummy
11:50 <Golden> My internet is still out.
11:50 <Cepheid> Ah.
11:50 <Golden> So if I could I am still unable to.
11:51 * Cepheid goes to figure out how FreeTypeSharp works.
11:52 <Golden> I was able to pull it up on youtube via my cellphone.
11:53 <Cepheid> That works too.
11:54 <RazorSharpFang> Apparently Raid-1 is full replication, Raid-0 is something else.
11:55 <Cepheid> Raid-0 is striping, if I recall.
11:55 <RazorSharpFang> Why is Visual Studio Community asking for a license... ?
11:55 <Cepheid> It shouldn't, unless you're trying to upgrade to a better version.
11:56 <RazorSharpFang> I'm trying to update my home visual studio to work on .Net 5
11:58 <Cepheid> ... You... should just have to install .NET 5, and it should work automatically?
11:58 <RazorSharpFang> I am a major version behind.
11:59 <Cepheid> This library's documentation is a bit to be desired.
12:00 * Golden yawns a bit. He did wish he didn't have to pull up a youtube video to see that scene.
12:01 <RazorSharpFang> 1.92 GB for the download...
12:02 * Filly_Nightmares murr and uses Golden as a bed
12:02 <Cepheid> See, here is the problem I have with using P/Invoke. Freetype uses a LOT of pointers.
12:02 <Cepheid> So getting access to even a basic data structure requires an inordinate amount of effort.
12:02 * Golden pats Filly_Nightmares
12:03 <RazorSharpFang> You should make a custom C/C++ method then.
12:03 * Filly_Nightmares murr and yawnskree and sleepies on Golden!
12:05 <Cepheid> I suppose so.
12:06 <Cepheid> Hilariously?
12:06 <Cepheid> WPF provides what I need.
12:06 <RazorSharpFang> Ah but then you have to sell out to Microsoft.
12:06 <Cepheid> I don't care about that, really. What I do care about is it's not usable under Linux.
12:07 <RazorSharpFang> You could try Avalonia
12:21 <Cepheid> Through examining it's test code, I was able to figure out how to use this library. I must admit, it's not the best implementation.
12:22 <Cepheid> It translated FT_F26Dot6 to IntPtr, for example.
12:22 <Cepheid> There's no logical reason to do this.
12:22 <Cepheid> FT_F26Dot6 is just a 32-bit integer.
12:22 * Cepheid hums. Checks something.
12:24 * Cepheid sighs. Is indecisive about what to do regarding this.
12:30 <RazorSharpFang> You should do the correct thing.
12:32 <Cepheid> What do you do when there are multiple correct choices before you?
12:33 <Cepheid> I have a pre-existing chunk of code that does everything the current chunk does, written in C++ instead. And using C++ would make my life easier with regards to dependencies.
12:33 <Cepheid> I could utilize this FreeTypeSharp and just write some kludge code around it to resolve the issues.
12:34 <Cepheid> Screw it, I'm going back to C++ for this. It's a game, after all.
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12:39 <RazorSharpFang> I am going to try using Event Store.
12:46 * Cepheid commits current code to a new repository, then goes about cleaning it aaaaalll up.
12:51 <RazorSharpFang> Visual Studio says Success - restart plz
12:53 <Cepheid> Heh.
12:53 <Cyan_Spark> Razor the investor
12:54 <RazorSharpFang> Hey heys. Survived yesterday.
12:55 <RazorSharpFang> Cepheid, apparently Win7 embeddded can't run anything above .Net Framework 4.5.2 or .Net Core 2.1 (And it's a struggle to get core 2.1)
12:55 <Cepheid> Ah.
12:55 <Cepheid> So yeah, maybe I should just go C++.
12:56 <Cepheid> Though, in theory, .NET Core 3 and higher should stull work.
12:57 <RazorSharpFang> Win7 embedded is... lower than Win7 SP1
13:01 <Cepheid> Oh, embedded.
13:01 <Cepheid> I missed that bit.
13:01 <RazorSharpFang> Win7 embedded is still officially supported, but it can't run a .Net Core that will run WPF.
13:04 <RazorSharpFang> You have to actually hack in .Net 2.1, copy over the DLLs manually.
13:04 <RazorSharpFang> Official installer says no.
13:10 <Cepheid> How nice of them.
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13:21 <Cepheid> Right, I need to test something, as the documentation for libpng is not clear on this.
13:24 <Cepheid> Right, let's stop with this little madness of testing.
13:32 <Cepheid> Okay, so it just fills the missing value with 255.
13:39 * Schism wakes up and yawns. Then goes 'pff' at Real Life Comics for today.
13:46 * Lumindia_ boops Schism
13:46 <Lumindia_> meowning
13:53 <Cepheid> I need a break.
13:54 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang: I did some maintenance on the server and moved it around. Tell me if you happen to notice anything different, as a result, please.
13:57 <Schism> A good thing to read while taking a break: https://bookofbadarguments.com/
14:02 <Cepheid> 6 burner turbines would generate... mmm... 12 MW of power. I would need 3 freakishly large electromagnetics facilities to consume that.
14:03 <Finwe> Feynman was partially right. The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person for yourself to fool.
14:04 * Schism nods, "Pretty sure that's what he meant on the latter half."
14:07 <Finwe> Hmm. "If God does not exist, then everything is permitted" is trivially true if God exists.
14:08 <Finwe> If not, it's true only if everthing is permitted.
14:08 <Cepheid> SE needs a way to deal with excess fluids.
14:09 <Cepheid> Best I can do is convert oils to solid fuels, then burn them in a burner, but that electricity still needs to go somewhere.
14:14 <RazorSharpFang> Electric boilers powered by condenser turbines.
14:15 <Finwe> Schism: Another guide like that is the one on mathematical proofs for students.
14:18 <Cepheid> Or, isothermic fluid generators, RazorSharpFang. Apparently, even if the network doesn't need the power, these things still consume fluid.
14:18 <RazorSharpFang> Really?
14:19 <Cepheid> Yeah, apparently.
14:19 <Schism> Finwe: And another book on computational thinking. o3o The Book of Bad Choices.
14:20 <Finwe> The standard techniques include proof by exhaustion ("I've still got about four pages to go."), proof by appealing to the nonexistence of a counterexample ("Can you prove me wrong?"), proof by appealing to authority ("I found this in a book by professor X."), proof by skillful omission/addition alongside change of line or page, proof by introducing superfluous parentheses and removing the
14:20 <Finwe> problematic factors/terms along with them and so on.
14:20 <Cepheid> ...
14:20 <Cepheid> They consume fluids even if they aren't connected to the network.
14:20 <Cepheid> These are basically just sinks for fluids that output power.
14:21 <RazorSharpFang> Unfortunately in this mod none of the fluids have fuel-value except for liquid rocket fuel and steam.
14:21 <Cepheid> Aaahahaha, no, the oils have it.
14:21 <Finwe> And of course the famous proof by appealing to lack of space ("I actually did the proof, but it doesn't fit here.").
14:21 <RazorSharpFang> Oh?
14:22 <Schism> Finwe: The margin of this page is too small to contain it. o3o
14:22 <Cepheid> You just can't select the oil in the menu to see what it's fuel value *IS*.
14:22 <Cepheid> The generator seems to accept the fluid just fine, and disposes of it.
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14:22 <Finwe> Schism: Yup. Later work shows that Fermat was very unlikely to have come anywhere near the actual proof.
14:23 <Cepheid> Or...
14:23 <RazorSharpFang> I could have sworn I hooked it up to Crude Oil and it just sat there.
14:23 <Cepheid> It's just eating it. One or the other.
14:23 <Cepheid> I got it working on petrol gas no problem, let's see now..
14:24 <Cepheid> Yeah, it just ate the heavy oil line I hooked it up to.
14:25 <Cepheid> But yeah, you're right, it has no fuel value so it doesn't do anything.
14:25 <Cepheid> Just eats the fluid.
14:25 <RazorSharpFang> It eats fluids?
14:25 <Finwe> "As it turns out, eating chocolate and winning a Nobel Prize have been shown to be highly correlated, perhaps raising the hopes of many a chocolate eater."
14:25 <Cepheid> Anything it can't use, it eats.
14:25 <Finwe> Correlation does not imply causality, though.
14:25 <RazorSharpFang> Then isn't that exactly what you wanted?
14:25 <Cepheid> Water, gas, lubricant, oil.
14:25 <Cepheid> Yeah.
14:26 <Cepheid> It's basically what I needed.
14:26 <RazorSharpFang> Does it generate power on any of the oils?
14:26 <Cepheid> Not as far as I can tell.
14:34 <Cepheid> RazorSharpFang: https://spaceexploration.miraheze.org/wiki/Core_Miner
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15:50 <LibrarianofHope> hiiii
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15:59 <LibrarianofHope> owo
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16:26 <Heartbreak> Schism: Cognitohazard. Would saying an SCP's actual numerical name causing you to recite the digits of Pi, even ones you don't know, be a cognitohazard?
16:26 <Heartbreak> And if so, what kind?
16:28 <LibrarianofHope> memtic
16:28 <LibrarianofHope> memetic
16:31 <Cepheid> Yeah, that's a memetic, I believe.
16:32 <Heartbreak> Especially if they can't stop reciting to the point of dehydration and starvation?
16:32 <LibrarianofHope> memetic is akin to a mental infection
16:32 <LibrarianofHope> so yeah
16:32 <Heartbreak> Only stopping if they pass out?
16:33 <Heartbreak> Yay!
16:33 <LibrarianofHope> the term meme is originted from a relation to gene
16:33 <Heartbreak> we have a descriptor for SCP π
16:34 <LibrarianofHope> will they let you use pi as a name?
16:34 <Heartbreak> Well, yes.
16:34 <LibrarianofHope> the guys at SCP are overall pretty chill
16:34 <Heartbreak> But you can never be too careful.
16:34 <Heartbreak> Oh, mean the actual site.
16:34 <LibrarianofHope> yeah
16:34 <Heartbreak> Fet if -I- know.
16:34 <LibrarianofHope> you would get a scp name
16:35 <LibrarianofHope> lik, scp 1857.Pi
16:35 <Heartbreak> But reciting the numbers is what sets of the memetic effect.
16:36 <Heartbreak> There's an SCP that you can't refer to in name or number. You have to use images or 'alternate stories."
16:36 <LibrarianofHope> you would need to check with them
16:36 <LibrarianofHope> its a 1 proposal no?
16:36 <Heartbreak> Like once upon a time there was a King, a king that loved hearing his name, he loved hearing his name so much that if any of his 'subjects' said his name
16:37 <Heartbreak> He would show up at their houses, take them to his castle and they would never be seen again.
16:37 <Schism> Really, I don't know why everyone avoids saying Candle Jack.
16:37 * Schism is instantly captured.
16:38 * LibrarianofHope brings schism back
16:38 <Heartbreak> So, just so that we don't 'inconvenience' the 'King', we must promise never to say his name. Or write his name. Or read his name. Ever.
16:38 <LibrarianofHope> i really like thinking how my charatcers would fight some SCP
16:39 <LibrarianofHope> its a fun exercise
16:39 <Schism> Heartbreak, http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2521
16:41 <Heartbreak> Yes.
16:41 <Heartbreak> I have learned things.
16:41 <Heartbreak> And -now-
16:41 <Heartbreak> I'm going to bed.
16:45 <LibrarianofHope> body achey
16:46 <LibrarianofHope> i had colds worse than this, but then again im pumped with a lot of medicine goodness
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16:49 <Cepheid> It feels like something is sitting atop my head, crushing it.
17:05 <Cepheid> Once I get over this illness, I plan to make it a goal to start exercising on the exercise bike or treadmill at least 3 times a week.
17:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Discussion: If These Three Ponies Are Generation 5, Who's Your Favorite? [ https://tinyurl.com/yddxqea8 ]
17:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Derpy Day Arrives March 1st! [ https://tinyurl.com/y7yr28zl ]
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17:50 <Cepheid> "Test Results: Softball combusts, but does not explode." "Huh."
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17:51 <Schism> Well, it's not a baseball, after all.
17:52 <Schism> "Notably, our control chicken was also killed when we hit it with a non-anomalous baseball bat."
17:52 <Cepheid> Heh.
17:52 <Cepheid> I like how the log ends with Towns, an operator, and two D-class exploding because of a premature swing.
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17:53 <Schism> "Waiting for the 682 test with this."
18:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Calpain: Fanfiction: Dog Years [ https://tinyurl.com/y9fkn8sd ]
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20:24 <Schism> I still like how that pictographic SCP won first prize because it was part of a 'write a skip with fewer than 500 words' contest. 0 words counts.
20:37 <Schism> "Look, I can lift a car. I can protect people." "...Whose car did you lifT?" "That's not important right now."
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21:03 * Schism giggles at the first two panels here. https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2017-09-01
21:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Comics: Advice to Live By / Fix #8 / Time of Fusion #3 / Singing Storm #10 / Lullaby #143 / ATN Werefolves #7 [ https://tinyurl.com/yd2uvwkk ]
22:06 <Finwe> Good evening, my perissodactyls of minute stature.
22:07 <Finwe> Mlles Ali, Angeline, Filly_Nightmares and Schism; Messrs LibrarianofHope, and PinkieShy.
22:07 * Finwe doffs his hat.
22:07 <DerpyBot> New post on Equestria Daily by Sethisto: Community Soapbox - Mirror Sombra, Canterlot Snobbery, and More! [ https://tinyurl.com/ybkjs6gg ]
22:08 <Finwe> I was required to electrically sign a document for the first time ever, apart from those signature pads carried by parcel service guys.
22:09 * Ali flops over Finwe and grumbles
22:09 * Finwe patpatsnuggles the grumbly Ali.
22:16 <LibrarianofHope> owo
22:16 <LibrarianofHope> im achey again
22:17 <LibrarianofHope> this is gonna be a constant
22:17 <Finwe> !lullaby
22:17 * DerpyBot carries Finwe off to bed
22:17 * DerpyBot tucks Finwe in and hums a lullaby
22:17 <Finwe> !shoo
22:17 * DerpyBot sways from side to side, quietly humming "shoo be doo shoo shoo be doo"
22:17 <Finwe> Good night, my smallish pastel-coloured equines.
22:59 <Schism> Cepheid: Final boss theme. Possibly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2TE0DjdNqI
23:20 <Schism> I like the Journey to the West reference on the album art.
23:20 * LibrarianofHope is tired, plops on Ali
23:21 * Ali nuu's, is not a bed
23:22 <LibrarianofHope> but you are comfy
23:34 <Lumindia_> please do not the cat
23:34 * LibrarianofHope the cat
23:34 <LibrarianofHope> i will in fact the cat
23:35 <Lumindia_> please do not the cat
23:35 <Lumindia_> *hiss*
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